
The first time I spoke with Rick Penberthy, Democratic candidate for Florida's 5th congressional district, I asked him what the biggest cities in the district are. I'm a geography buff but I had never heard of Spring Hill, Citrus Springs, Zephryhills. I may have heard of Land o' Lakes (but I thought that was in Wisconsin).
Florida's 5th CD is fairly rural, with undeveloped beaches and with a huge retirement population, mostly former Midwesterners living inland who took the I-75 down to this very, very different Florida than Miami or the Gold Coast. There are over a quarter million residents on Social Security, more than any other congressional district in the country, and more military retirees than anywhere else as well. Prior to 2002, when state Republicans gerrymandered it, this had been a Democratic district. In November, it will turn Democratic again.
You doubt my prediction? You're not alone. It's not rated a first or second tier race by the DCCC, which has largely ignored the district, keeping the race comfortably beneath the radar. But, then again, you've probably never spoken with Rick Penberthy.
Rick's a teacher. He's been teaching government, history, political science, economics, civics in high school and college for 23 years. He's also a veteran of both the Army and the Navy. In other words, this is a guy who has the experience to talk about securing both our country and our Constitution. When students at Largo High School were asked to vote for a commencement speaker this year, the voted for Rick. He's the kind of dedicated and inspiring teacher every parent wishes was educating their child.
Rick Penberthy spends a lot of time talking at VFW meetings. He feels comfortable and at home in their halls. He enlisted in the Army when he was 18 and later joined the Naval Reserves when he was in his early 30s. Serving his country seems to come as naturally to Rick as breathing. And being part of the military seemed like a perfectly natural way for him to do that -- as perfectly natural as working for effective change for people through Congress seems now.
He's a thoroughly "mainstream" kind of guy, married with 3 daughters and a son. He's fully engaged in the issues that matter to the real lives of people in his community. In a district with 42% of the voters registering as Republicans (38% Democrats and 20% independent), it could be a tough race against an entrenched, very well-funded incumbent beloved by the wealthy special interests for whom she is always ready to do a service. But Rick says she can be defeated this year.
"I wouldn't be here," he told me, "if I didn't think she's beatable. This isn't a normal year and she's not a normal incumbent."
The incumbent is Ginny Brown-Waite, and Rick was being very polite in saying she is "not a normal incumbent." Ginny Brown-Waite is mostly a garden variety Republican rubber stamp for Bush's disastrous agenda, both domestic and international. And when she steps out of line, it's always because Bush isn't extreme and horrible enough. She's probably best known for demanding that the body of every American soldier who died during the two World Wars be dug up and brought back to the U.S. because France wouldn't attack Iraq. Even her fellow Republicans thought she was a tad... "not normal."
When Brown-Waite first ran, against a Democratic incumbent, she claimed she was pro-choice. Her voting record proves her a bold-faced liar and she has been on the wrong side of every single vote in Congress impacting women's choice. Long a part of the unsavory and disgraced Tom DeLay political machine in Congress, Brown-Waite has been dishonest in more ways than in just lying about issues. She is also connected to the Republican culture of corruption that is bankrupting and destroying the integrity and the functionality of our government in D.C.
Consistently dishonest and weak, Brown-Waite absurdly tries to present herself to Florida's moderate voters as one of them. But her record paints the picture of a far right kook, terribly out of sync with the values and interests of the people who live in FL-05. She promised voters she would protect Social Security, for example, but her record shows a dangerous extremist willing to support Bush's and the Republican Party's goal of wrecking the most popular public program in the history of America.
The legislative scorecard that DMI, released rates every member of Congress based on how their votes impacted the middle class and it shows that she is one of the most right-wing members of the House with a record far, far, far from moderate on every single issue that has come before Congress. Her overall rating is a dismal "F" and shows a dangerous and radical extremist, masquerading as a normal American and a moderate.
Rick expects the Rove Republicans, with their backs up against the wall, to roll out their divisive wedge issues to try to scare and confuse people and to fire up their demoralized base. He doesn't think it will work this time because even Republican voters are angry about Bush and his rubber stamp congressmen-- and congresswomen-- pushing intrusive government down everyone's throat.
"No one likes intrusive government. People around here want to keep government out of our private lives. And we're looking for tolerance, not bickering. Folks are tired of it."
Rick's positions on the important issues of the day are crystal clear-- and very, very different from the Big Business/Republican Party line followed by Ginny Brown-Waite. He doesn't play word games or try to hedge and mislead voters the way his opponent does. "We must begin to redeploy our troops immediately" is how he starts the Iraq discussion. Affordable health care for all Americans is best achieved through a single payer system. These are the kinds of issues that will makes our lives better and they are the kinds of issues Republicans like Brown-Waite and their Corporate sponsors will fight tooth and nail to prevent.
Rick seems really energized and optimistic. He sees 2006 as a year for a sea change in American politics. With the Republican Party tied to both incompetence and corruption, he believes moderate voters feel uncomfortable supporting them any longer. He's campaigning on matters that are important to people in his district. National issues are just one part of that.
"In this part of the country," he explains, "the most important issue is always about how to manage growth. Water is a crucial issue to the people in this district."
Rick and his family live on a small farm and he is filled with ideas about desalinization plants and the dangers of sink holes (caused by over-pumping the shallow aquifer in a mad, unregulated rush to willy-nilly development). The wonk in Rick comes out when he starts talking about solar energy and biomass, two alternative energy sources that are perfect for his part of Florida.
He understands everything about why Brazil is over 90% independent of foreign oil and why we're not -- and he's ready to roll up his sleeves and get busy on it -- more than ready, in fact! Independence from foreign oil is one of his big passions and he thinks the U.S. needs the equivalent of "a Manhattan Project for alternative energy."
The last time I heard anything about Brown-Waite was some kind of cockamamie tactic to hold up Congress-- which she did for 2 hours-- complaining about a procedural vote to make Bill Clinton's boyhood home in Hope, Arkansas a national monument. She was trying to say that Bush's plan to sell U.S. ports to his family's business associates in Dubai was Clinton's fault. This is just the kind of nonsense Americans are sick and tired of already. Even House Republicans think she's out of her mind and only 11 Republicans in the entire House supported her; the final vote: 409 in favor and 12 opposed (Ginny Brown-Waite plus 11 right-wing fanatics).
Americans are sick of mean, angry, self-centered partisans like Ginny Brown-Waite. It's time we had adults running our government again.
This weekend we're going to try something new in the way of fundraising and I hope everyone participates to their own level of comfort. I love it when someone sends $100. And I also love it when someone sends $5.00. Look at this postcard.

Graphic designer Randy J. Hunt at Citizenscholar put together this "firedoglake netroots" card for Rick's campaign. Every $6 donation will print and deliver 21 firedoglake/netroots-sponsored postcards. $1,400 will sponsor 5,000 direct mail pieces, printed and delivered, and $4,200 will sponsor 15,000 direct mail pieces, printed and delivered.
A little incentive-- above and beyond helping a truly worthy candidate get into a position where he can help make our country a better place-- the first 25 contributors this weekend, get a brand new 2-CD set called CHARLIE PRIDE ANTHOLOGY, 40 smash hits by the most successful African-American in the history of country music.
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Fitz!
rootz!
Howie!
Rick is out on the road campaigning and he’s going to be joining us from a computer at a public library in a few minutes.
I would think that Dems should have a much easier time picking up senior votes this time around, what with the Republican attempts to gut SS, and the ridiculous prescription drug bill.
Hey, Howie, where’s the click-button for your ActBlue page?
So far the candidates who I’ve gotten the most requests for are Charlie Brown (CA), Coleen Rowley (MN), Paul Hodes (NH), and Bruce Braley (IA) and hopefully they will all be guests here. If anyone has any other suggestions, please be sure to e-mail me.
ACT BLUE is right here. Thanks for asking, Teddy.
Eli, I had a long talk with Bruce Braley (IA-01) yesterday and his district is also a huge one for retirees. He feels the same way you do. I heard from someone in CT today, on the oter hand, who said that seniors there have been snowed by Lieberman’s false claims to have been a Social Security stalwart.
I heard from someone in CT today, on the oter hand, who said that seniors there have been snowed by Lieberman’s false claims to have been a Social Security stalwart.
Ay-yi-yi. Ned should jump on that one quick.
IIRC, polling shows that seniors generally trend more conservative, but I think self-interest will trump that. And, of course, they provide notoriously heavy turnout, which is a heckuva force multiplier.
Eli, Ned’s campaign is 100% aware– and all over it
This CT. Granny observer says Joe didn’t “snow” me.
joe lost lots of us YEARS AGO!
Ex-cellent…
I should like to see Democrats display this “100% aware” thing more often.
Howie, what is Ned’s campaign doing, specifically?
84 postcards on their way for Rick to use to defeat this perverse monstrosity. What is it with “The Party of Life” and its adherents’ obsession with death? She really wanted to dig up The Greatest Generation — to punish France? What a creep-o!
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Had Enough?
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I think someone from CT headquarters will be with us soon and maybe we can get a report on that, Eli.
Thanks, Howie!
I can’t wait for the next Quinnipiac poll.
Teddy, thanks for the postcards. “Had Enough,” by the way is a song you’ll be hearing soon– one written and recorded by a Blue America participant (that’s a teaser).
Great post, Howie. It gives me hope that my very conservative Dem, Rep. Davis (TN - 4), will have some common sense people to talk to next year.
Thanks Howie,
This is Kevin Cate, Rick’s campaign manager, we’ve actually stopped at a McDonalds in Crystal River, FL. Two events down, two to go. Rick is grabbing a cup of coffee and will be here to answer any questions.
-kc
Way to go, Howie! Another great post for another great candidate!
Some brief thoughts on under-the-radar campaigns.
In 2002, there was a 4 way primary for the Democratic Nomination for Colorado House District 5. The front runner had all the establishment endorsements, and yard signs everywhere. One of the dark horses, Joel Judd, had a different strategy — he sent out simple post cards and field workers with door hangers. He also had one endorsement: former Mayor Federico Pena. After the fourth contact by Joel Judd, I decided to support him — he won the primary by a two to one margin over the front runner.
Moral of the story — multiple contacts wins elections.
Color glossy lit is a waste of resources — better to spend your money on three postcards than one glossy mailer.
HinTN, I think it’s going to be important for grassroots Democrats like us to keep at this after November, helping to find candidates to challenge corporate shills from both parties from now on. And there are almost a dozen Democrats worse than Davis in the House!
maybe i missed it (or maybe you-all keep this stuff in your head) but here’s the fl-05 map:
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/FL-05
Well, I took Teddy’s chip-in as a call for matching funds - like those NPR pledge drives - so I just did same. Was going to pass (cash flow reasons, partially fueled by my FDL addiction!), but Rick Penberthy seems like the “real deal”. Great post, Howie.
Zephryhills–it’s not the end of the world, but, you can see it from there.
Real rural and a lot of southern folks-there is not a thing in the local flea market that you would die for except for the people who are really pretty nice.
Zephryhills is in Pasco County and there are thousands of homes and communities in the planning stages right now.
Kevin and Rick, welcome to Blue America! People are interested in knowing what Rick is doing to win over retirees in the district. I’m sure Brown-Waite understands what a crucial constituency this is too.
I made a contribution. I am safely esconced here in the Florida 3rd, but I’ve spent plenty of time in the Zephyr Hills area. I had an interesting chat with an old guy there who was plenty worried about terrorism–he even said “it’s good to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here,” but he was also hoppin’ mad about Bush’s Medicare scam and the jump in the price of his meds. He was also pretty steamed up about development.
Penberthy has a shot if he can get guys like that, but that sure is a conservative part of the state. It’s going to be uphill.
Howie,
Thank you for such kind words. Lets talk about what we can do to kick out these politicians only concerned with the next election, lets talk about the next generation.
-Rick
Where is the donate button…I want the Charlie Pride cd..will $25 get me the CD?
Howie, thanks so much for the post and for linking to Rick’s positions.
Rhetorical question, have the Traditional Media in Rick’s district done much with the Lieberman, Lamont debate? It seems to me that may help Rick with the local media.
I really like Rick’s positions. FWIW and very humbly, I would offer these for his campaign manager’s consideration on his web site: substitute the word, “occupation,” for “war.” Introduce the $250,000,000/day cost of the war. Perhaps mention that it didn’t take three years after Pearl Harbor to launch D-Day. Ask why we haven’t captured or killed Osama? In my opinion John Kerry makes a great point, our presence “enables” the Iraqi’s to avoid fighting battles they have to fight. Point out that there are no “military” objectives in Iraq. Our military did it’s job. We don’t train our Armed Forces in “nation-building.” Each day we stay only strengthens Iran and Russia.
I really love his statement that “broken countries are a breeding ground for terrorists.”
Also, his web page on positions includes nothing about Abramoff and the K Street Project and all the other Republican scandals, such as the New Hampshire phone jamming.
Thanks again for a great post!
Good question,
The retirees in this district:
My top priorities are to stabilize, not privatize social security, to protect hard earned pensions from corporate mismanagement, to fix this horrendous Medicare Part D, and most importantly, help them leave their grandkids a future they can be proud of.
-Rick
Howie’s ActBlue page for Rick is at:
http://www.actblue.com/page/downwithtyranny#9045
Yep, there are still some Charlie Pride CDs left. The contribution button is right here. Any amount works. All it takes is $6 to print up and send out 21 of the firedoglake-inspired post cards.
Is there going to be a debate in the FL 5th? I’d like to see it.
If I were Rick, I’d attend every Chamber of Commerce business card exchange. I’d also go to a lot of those Model Home open houses for new communities soon to be under development.
I see Rick is a member of Fighting Dems. Here’s an unsolicited slogan suggestion, a twist on the “fighting the terrorists over there” mantra:
“we’re Fighting Dems over there and we’re Fighting Dems over here”
Hey Howie,
Thanks for all that you do here. Lots of great information.
OT. As a Democrat, the thing that I’m most concerned about, is the actual voting process being overtaken by the Repubs.
Living here in CA, we’re seeing first hand what the future may hold. If Democratic challengers weenie out like Busby did, then, regardless of how good a campaign one runs, the fix will be in.
Love to hear your thoughts on this in another column.
Apologies for the OT.
I would think that Dems should have a much easier time picking up senior votes this time around, what with the Republican attempts to gut SS, and the ridiculous prescription drug bill.
We need to be letting seniors know that SS is going to an issue again after the Nov. elections. Bush said so himself a week or so ago.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....008854.php
Make sure you know your candidate’s position on Social Security. In Virginia, Jim Webb says he supports the system — no privitization. So does Andrew Hurst, the Democratic candidate for Tom Davis’ CD 11 seat. From what I can tell, Davis is non-committal.
Social Security, and the saving thereof, should be preached from the mountaintops this election season.
Cleter,
I expect to debate Ginny Brown-Waite, and I expect to hold her accountable for her poor voting record. It’s one thing to talk about supporting the troops, it’s another thing to actually vote to support them. I expect her to call me a cut and run Democrat, but she cannot question my patriotism and love for this country, and the people of district 5 know it!
-Rick
Just chipped in over at Act Blue, and joined the ACLU to boot. Good work all!
I am glad to see this race highlighted - some folks outside of the south think of Florida as some combination of Miami Vice, Scarface, retirees in Airstreams, and MTVs Spring Break, without really thinking about all the people who live plain American lives with real American concerns.
Also glad to see fellow Southerners fighting back against the Red tide, as it were.
(and, if I qualified for the Charlie Pride cds, save them for someone else, because I don’t have a stereo!)
Rick — folks like me in solid Blue districts are really excited to see you take the fight for a Blue House of Representatives to folks whose interests are hurt by BushCo. Do you find that your future constituents see the the Medicare Part D fiasco and the postponed-until-2007 dismantling of Social Security trumping the “protecting us from terrorists” fear-mongering?
This congressional district seems primed for real talk about real issues. Is there support from Establishment DeeCee Dems for your candidacy, Rick?
Thanks for the CD Howie. I received the Harvest CD last time and they shipped it really fast. It is one of my favorites!! I enjoy your posts and I look forward to adding more music to my collection in the future!
Thrilled to hear that there will be a debate. IMHO, MSNBC may want to carry it after their good experience with Lamont and HoJo Leaverman.
“I expect her to call me a cut and run Democrat”
If you and your campaign manager agree, I hope you introduce her to the Powell Doctrine for the use of force and the fact that Bush ignored it and continues to ignore it.
Another talking point that might play well is that the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan is creating a lot more terrorists than it is killing.
I’m in Tallahassee. Our Blue Dog congressman is better than a Republican, but it’s kind of hard to be enthusiastic about him. Still, he relates well to “old Florida” Dems, so if you haven’t asked him to campaign for you, you might consider it. For some real campaign support with all those retired military types, though, bring Murtha in. And thanks, Howie, for introducing us to a Florida Democratic candidate I can actually feel good about. I just sent a bunch of postcards Rick’s way.
Hey Rick! Good luck to you! The company I work for is starting to expand into Pasco County. I hope to see you in town one day! Good luck to you!
TeddySanFran,
Despite what the entrenched Republicans believe, the seniors in our district are smart and they know when they are being taken for a ride. The ability to negotiate drug prices just makes sense, Medicare part D is a slap in the face to so many that built the America that we all know and love.
-Rick
Thanks for what you’re doing Rick.
Please everyone make sure you don’t miss John Casper’s comments @ 29 especially about replacing occupation for war
Framing language is everything
Kevin and Rick, thanks for the great work!
Some thoughts on Social Security –
Social Security is NOT BROKEN — it is the most stable and well planned program the government runs.
That Social Security is in trouble is a Republican BIG LIE. If the USA has (60%? 80%?) of the growth we have enjoyed for the past 50 years, Social Security is solvent FOREVER.
Why do Republicans HATE Social Security? It’s one of the ways a part of the American Dream is guaranteed for even the most vulnerable among us.
The GOP Tax and Spending Priorities are designed to steal the American Dream from Middle Class Americans, and give it to the Rich. The GOP believes in comforting the comfortable, and afflicting the weak and vulnerable.
Medicare is a different story — but the entire Health Care System in the USA is broken, and when we have Medicare For All, the funding problems of Medicare for older Americans will be solved.
ccmask,
Our campaign office is located just around the corner in Wesley Chapel. Please contact Kevin and we’ll be happy to have you.
-Rick
-ck-
You are right on the money.
-Rick
ccmask, what do you mean “they shipped it really fast?” That’s just little ole me, stuffin’ every one of ‘em myself and totin’ ‘em down to the post office on Mondays. Good news: Columbia Records just donated almost 500 CDs for Blue America. The Charlie Pride 2-disc sets today are really amazing collections of music. Charlie Pride had 36 #1 hits! He’s a unique performer and everyone should hear his music. Even if you’re a Ginny Brown-Waite fan and love the idea of digging up bodies of soldiers buried 90 years ago, donating to Rick’s campaign today is a great way to get the set. And if you’re not some kind of a nut-case who agrees with Brown-Waite, all the better!
Last week’s Firedoglake Fighting Dem, John Laesch, has a great name for George Bush’s summer-palooza trip around America: The “Smoke & Mirrors Tour!”
http://www.john06.com/node/137
Here’s John’s pictures and podcast from the Laesch campaign’s meetup with the Secret Service protecting Dear Leader and Dear Speaker when they donned their labcoats….
Howie and FLDers –
Here in Colorado, Bill Winter is a Fighting Dem trying to unseat Tom Tancredo in the 6th CD.
Denver is a Four CD media market, so breaking into the news is a big deal. Right now, Bill Winter is leading the runnoff for the Mark Warner Mapchanger fundraiser visit.
If you can, please stop by and vote for Bill Winter.
Thanks!!!
http://www.forwardtogetherpac.com/mapchangers
http://www.winterforcongress.com/
and with those shipments Howie encloses his Down With Tyranny business card which humbly states his position there:
“Autocrat”
LOL
mcjoan has a great dK diary up about the GOP leadership’s “agenda” for the fall. Rick, there’s a lot here that you might talk about with voters in FL-05. People really need to hear what this GOP Do-Nothing Rubber Stamp Republican Congress has deemed important to voters.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....34449/5110
Howie, this is Kevin again, I just grabbed a milkshake and took a look, 1,158 mailers have already been provided courtesy of FireDogLake members! Rick is campaigning in between answers here in McDonalds, but keep the questions coming!
-kc
Can’t wait for the debate so Ginny Brown-Waite can identify all the “progress” in Iraq.
Having Murtha campaign down there is a very good idea.
Nelson might not hurt, either.
Kevin, what do you mean when you say Rick is campaigning at the McDonald’s? Is he going from table to table introducing himself? What questions do people ask him?
Cleter,
Murtha is a good man and we would love to have him.
-Rick
Howie,
Immigration is on many minds here in Crystal River.
-Rick
TeddySanFran, yes. That was where Lieberman really hurt Lamont in the debate, he exposed Ned’s lack of hard core legislative experience. To his credit, Ned came back really strong, especially on energy.
I hope national Dems are providing some support on the “key” talking points, because it definitely sounds like Rove is giving their candidates that. The debate is such a crap shoot, because there are an infinite number of subjects that may come up. If you can reduce it to one key talking point per issue that you think will come up, it makes your prep less difficult.
Rick –
Democrats need to dial up the rhetoric on a host of issues, but Social Security in particular.
The challenge is dialing up the intensity, without coming across as crazy and irresponsible.
The GOP and their media allies will call you angry, so you need to be prepared with a snappy comeback:
“Watching Republicans lie about Social Security and try to give it away as Welfare for the Rich is enough to make anyone angry — that’s why we need to elect Democrats, to fight for everyone.”
More concise than that, but that sort of thing.
Rick, your commitment to serve our country, both in and out of uniform, is truly impressive. Thanks for fighting the good fight. More postcards are on the way.
Also…what Mr. Casper said!
Oh Howie @50, how funny! I didn’t know you did that! It was at my door so fast I didn’t even know what it was. Now don’t go rushing out tomorrow with the Charlie Pride-the post office is closed on Sundays! It is my pleasure to donate to Rick and next pay I’ll do it again! Thanks Rick-I’ll catch you in Wesley Chapel.
ccmask
The Mexican restaurant in the strip mall by the Winn Dixie in Wesley Chapel is surprisingly good. The Thai restaurant west of Wesley Chapel is one of the best ones in Florida. Serioulsy.
$25 FLYING DOWN TO FL FROM NJ.
GOOD LUCK RICK!
RGB,
Thank you for your words and donation, it takes the support of folks like you, to ensure that real issues return to Washington.
-kc
I’m in.
Good luck Rick, I think you’re the real thing.
———egregious
Cleter,
I was just there the other night. Las Vallartas!
-Rick
Rick,
There are a lot of Mexican immigrants in the Clermont area. What kind of issues are they concerned about?
Oh, and good luck
Thank you MVC and Egregious!
Thank you folks for your suggestions for the campaign, I’ve got Kevin writing them down, and plan to address everyone with more thought and time than just this post.
-Rick
Thoughts on Immigration –
Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer says:
Values Unite — Issues Divide
Why do Immigrants come to the USA? Because they believe in the American Dream, and want to give a better life to their families.
The same values that all Americans share.
The problem is GOP hypocrisy on Immigration. They want to bash immigrants for coming here illegally, but the GOP also wants illegal workers because they help keep wages low.
We need to raise the minimum wage, and enforce workplace safety regulations. We need to take away the advantages of illegal labor for employers — then everyone will benefit.
Republicans believe that prosperity is a zero sum game — they need to take wealth away from the Middle Class and give it to the Rich.
Democrats believe that an economy that offers opportunity to everyone improves the lives of All Americans.
That’s why we need to Elect Democrats, and throw out the Republicans — We need to restore the American Dream.
Welcome, Rick! We’re excited you could join us. I hope people are able to be generous to you today.
Rick and Kevin, Good Luck to you.
I hope you’re ready with your smackdown for the inevitable swiftboating. Take a page out of James Webb’s book and hit her right between the eyes when it comes. It seems idiotic to attack a veteran for his service, but doing so has served the Rethugs well… so have that zinger waiting when they try! Getting Murtha in to help campaign sounds good as well.
I’m in Alabama and can’t vote for you, but when I was a kid my family had a lake house near Land o’ Lakes and I remember it fondly.
Thanks for getting into the race, you’re the kind of guy we need more of if we are to return the government to the people of the USA.
Cleter–I’ll give it a try. It’s good to know of good places to stop because it is usually a game of hit and miss in restaurants. Right now we are heavily involved up in Sarasota and Manatee County. Like I said, we’re working our way up that way soon. Everytime I go up that way I cannot believe all of the development that is happening.
When the Rove folks attack your military service, for heaven’s sake FIGHT BACK immediately.
Kerry’s 2-week pause ended his momentum.
James Webb, on the other hand, threw it right back at them, calling his opponent a coward who sat the war out on a dude ranch.
I spend a lot of time In Ocala and development is a huge issue in central Florida. Soaring real estate prices in south Florida and anywhere near the coast have pushed lower-middle class retirees further and further afield. The usual conflicts quickly appear; developers are getting rich, the property tax base is getting bigger, and horse farms are turning into 55-plus communities. In the meantime, the locals are wondering what will happen when there are no horses left in horse country. It’s a rerun of what happened in northern California in the ’60s and ’70s. I hope Florida manages it better than California did.
Thank you Son of Liberty,
Kevin went to school in Alabama, at Auburn. You’ve got Luci Baxley to vote for up there. Thank you for your kind words and support.
Pachacutec,
Thank you, the response and discussion is such a joy today. I wasn’t quite sure what to expect, and we were hard pressed to find an internet connection up here between events, but the folks on this blog really know the issues, and nothing is more rewarding than the support of folks with a grasp of the issues.
-Rick
Pachactec, people have been awesome in the donations area. We’re over $1,000 at ACT BLUE already. I’m so bad at math I’ll wait for Kevin to give us another update about how many of the postcards we’re helping Rick to print and send.
Rick,
Will you do your part to tear apart the Rovian campaign and strategy machine?
On the issues of gay marriage, abortion and immigration what are your positions? Have you read Crashing the Gate?
My donation is on the way. Every Seat, Every District, Democrats must get serious.
Howie,
On a seperate note, I nominate Jim Marcinkowski as an Act Blue referral from your site as well. Every Seat, Every District.
Anyone know anything about Patricia Taylor’s diary on Kos about Ned’s staff and John Hartwell?
I sure hear you on that Barbara. The problem is that since the prices are so high, it gets harder and harder for these communities to hire people to work in town. The working class gets pushed out. That’s why so many of the communities are now building little towns inside of the gates. It’s crazy.
In another place and time, I’d have thought you had to be making things up to hear that story about the WWI & II soldiers’ bodies.
It’s been great hearing about a candidate like Rick as an alternative - Good Luck Rick!
I think we can name that house that Howie’s building “trust”. After being burned a lot, I’m seeing Howie bring one good candidate after another to the forefront. It makes it hard not feel optimistic about the future.
Oddball,
You’ll have to talk to Kevin about Crashing the Gate, he’s read it. But based on the strategy of every race and every year, absolutely.
As far as immigration, abortion, and gay marriage. The Federal Government has laws to enforce when it comes to immigration, and a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage defames the purpose of the Constitution, guaranteeing rights. The woman’s right to choose, is a health decision between a woman and her doctor, not a woman and her government.
-Rick
Rick:
I’m glad you could be with us today. Howie has been introducing us to some really fine candidates, like you. I have a question. Last week in the Hamdan decision, the U.S. Supreme Court found that George W. Bush was breaking international and U.S. law in his attempt to use military commissions to try Guantanamo detainees. This case put a rein on the Bush administration’s unlimited executive power theory, but it applies only to a narrow subject, and the Rubber Stamp Congress looks like it wants to change the laws Bush violated so that he will no longer be violating them. My question is: What is your position on executive power as pushed by Dick Cheney and David Addington on behalf of the president, and what would you do to bring about the kind of Congressional oversight and checks and balances that our Constitution contemplates?
Now I am going to the ActBlue page.
Rick @ 60
“immigration”
Tell them it’s mostly socio-economic.
People are coming here to better their lives and their families lives, because why on earth would someone travel hundreds, and thousands of miles, just to “take” someones job? They’re doing these jobs because the pay is nominal at best, mostly barely above minimum wage. The employers love undocumented workers because they have higher profit margins because they don’t have to pay native born Americans a living wage.
Americans won’t do the jobs, not because they don’t want to, but because they can’t afford to work those jobs at those wages: think about it - you have to buy gas, lunch, childcare, rent, pay all your bills on $5:15 an hour or whatever minumum is nowadays … you can’t do it.
It’s socio-economic.
Just say you’re talking about Mexico - did you know that the GDP of Mexico is about what it is in Canada - from the CIA factbook
13. Canada 1,114,000,000,000
14. Mexico 1,067,000,000,000
These figures fluctuate from year to year but not that much
Why do we have an influx of Mexicans every year and not Canadians?
Why is Mexico such a land of haves and have nots?
You really want to end or curtail illegal imigration? Pressure the Mexican government to share the wealth
But what do I know, I’m just an average guy
Howie back at 21 - Don’t get me wrong, it’s far better to have Rep. Davis caucus with Pelosi than the “Pistol Packin’ Momma” he’s beaten twice in this district specially gerrymandered for Van Hillery. It is, however, a far cry from the level of thoughtful representation we had from Al Gore and Jim Cooper before.
Howie, Kevin here, 3,386 postcards so far! -kc
BarbaraB: Here’s a pretty crazy story regarding some development in Tampa. You might enjoy it.
http://www.ccfj.net/CDDempire.html
oddball, thanks for the suggestion about Marcinkowski. I like what I’ve read about him so far and the guy he’s up against, Mike Rogers, is almost as insane as (and even more of an extremist than) Ginny Brown-Waite in Rick’s district. I did a first look-see on that Lansing area race this week at Down With Tyranny. I’m thinking of doing a run-down on the whole Michigan campaign here at FDL soon.
That’s exciting news, Rick. We’re more than pleased to meet you. People like you are why we are here, collectively dedicated to the common good and to the propelling of progressive values in our public and private lives.
I’m always proud of our community, and really excited about whatever support we are able to throw your way.
Thanks, Howie, for bringing Rick to us and for writing about him and his campaign. Another outstanding job in the Blue America series.
neurophius,
It is the responsibility of the Congress to have oversight over the Executive branch. This Congress seems to think it’s okay to abandon that responsibility. I will not. The President overstepped his bounds.
Also we have to look at Bush’s bill signing caveats. This is a president who has yet to veto a bill, but tries to precondition enforcement. Congress must take up the responsibility and check the President’s bill signing tendency.
Congressional hearings are must.
-Rick
“she cannot question my patriotism and love for this country”
Republicans think they “own” patriotism, candidates like Rick show them they don’t.
I did my duty by Rick Penberthy at Act Blue. He sounds like a fine candidate, and I’m glad to help even though I’m from Louisiana.
Rick - Taking back Congress in every District. Thanks for caring enough to get involved. I’m sure you know what you’re in for from the Right Wing Echo Chamber and the Rove slime machine. Don’t forget there are a lot of folks in the netroots that have your back and have some answers that “traditional” consultants find too challenging to put forth. Webb has a good one and it appears you do too. Keep it real!!!
Thank you Grandmere Mimi,
Your donation from Louisiana helps our campaign tremendously, but most importantly, supports the message of the true Democratic Party.
-Rick
Rick, I hope the media in Florida support you on that. Feingold in his call for censure, stated and restated, “of course we wire tap terrorists,” that’s not the issue.
Unfortunately the media, just ignored what Feingold wrote and said and instead hammered him with, things like “Feingold doesn’t like the War on Terror.”
Based on your embrace of his call for Censure, I hope Russ will make an appearance with you.
Kevin:
It’s great that you have read Crashing the Gate. This morning I was at a county Democratic organization meeting, and our district chairman, a retired gentleman, got up and gave a plug for CTG.
Have you read How Would a Patriot Act by Glenn Greenwald? It is a very important book, and it’s short. I hope you get a chance to look at it and brief Rick about it.
ccmask 89 — Feudalism lives!
Rick and Kevin — End of life issues should be between families and their doctors, too. I would bet that Brown-Waite was all over the Terry Schiavo circus — on the wrong side. The backlash on that was strong everywhere, but most particularly with seniors. I’d wrap it around her neck as often as possible.
Phil 81
Anyone know anything about Patricia Taylor’s diary on Kos about Ned’s staff and John Hartwell?
sorry to wander off topic; this is probably better suited for a Ned thread, but that is indeed a puzzling story of internecine CT politics. I don’t buy the diarist’s premise that we are a “virtual wolf pack” trying to to “take control of state party politics”, but then again I’m out in CA, far from the fray.
John Casper,
I met with Russ in Washington during the Band of Brothers events. He is a strong voice for truth in a venue where incumbency takes the focus off of the truth all too often. I call that being a patriot.
-Rick
I assume Rick has connected with and is endorsed by the AFL-CIO and the various union retiree groups? Older union folk must loathe Ginny!
Wow! I didn’t realize that I’d get a personal response from you, Rick. My best wishes to you and your family.
Howie, every week you find us another great candidate! Rick, I’m beyond excited to know there are candidates like you out there. And I love the postcard idea too.
Great point neurophius at 12:54.
HOW WOULD A PATRIOT ACT is on the New York Times Best Seller list. His book tour probably takes him to Florida, perhaps your district? FWIW, maybe a joint appearance would help both of you. His editor/agent/ Jen Nix sometimes posts at FDL. I cannot speak for him, but he might put a link to your campaign on his site?
*ilson46201,
I am endorsed by the AFL-CIO and actually met this morning Joe Adams of the IBEW. The unions in this area are some of the most vocal this year. Her voting record tramples on the backs of American workers.
It’s going to stop.
-Rick
Howie, I feel really stupid, but where is your Act Blue link? I don’t see it in the post.
This is Kevin, Rick is speaking with the folks sitting next to us for just a minute here. Such kind people in Crystal River.
How Would a Patriot is on my to-do reading list. -kevin
*ilson46201, your assumption is correct. Rick has indeed been endorsed by the AFL-CIO, as well as by unaffiliated unions in the district. And anyone who wants to see a picture of Rick with Russ Feingold– just scroll down past the picture Adam from the DWT Art Dept did of Rick as Superman and past Brown-Waite as a human rubber stamp and you’ll see Rick and Russ, two true blue Democrats, we can all be proud of.
Leslie in CA– I don’t know how I could have left that out! Here’s ACT BLUE and I just noticed we went over $1,500. How many postcards we up to, Kevin?
with the AFL-CIO endorsement, I’ll send Rick some postcard money on Friday when my pension check is deposited …
Howie, we are at 4,785 postcards so far, printing and postage paid! -kc
Rick,
Just visited Act Blue for your campaign - Good Luck!
Howie, no Charlie Pride, thanks (jazz fan) - send to someone else - keep up the great work!
Rick, thanks so much for stopping by. Your campaign is quite inspirational, and thanks to Howie for filling us in.
BTW, Glenn’s book is the bomb.
So in the Army-Navy game, who do you root for Rick?
I advise you not to answer that. :)
Howie — please consider Patty Wetterling in MN, she’s running for Mark Kennedy’s seat now that he’s running for Senate. Her opponent, Michele Bachman is at the tippy edge of manic rightwingery…and the national Repubs are putting mucho effort in. Rove, Cheney, etc. doing appearances. This is a seat they’re desperate to hold, and Wetterling’s a strong candidate. Also, Amy Klobuchar, who’s running for Senate against M Kennedy. A strong prosecutor who would represent MN in the best traditions of Wellstone, Mondale, Gene McCarthy. Kennedy–another trog…
And Rick, you’re finding solid support here because you’re a worthy candidate. Your opponent sounds like a FL version of the rightwingers in Minn. It seems to me we’re overdue reaching out to traditional Republicans with a message that it’s appropriate, even honorable, to move to the Democratic candidates. That’s part of Webb’s strategy in VA and part of the movement in KS.
Enough of Republican fear’n’smear…bring back the American Dream that the next generation will do better than this one.
Mary,
I rarely back away from a question, it’s not my nature, so I beg your forgiveness.
-Rick
Btw, the correct answer to Mary @116 would be Navy.
I live just down the pike in *shudders* “Bill” Young’s district. Every now and then I hear the harpy-cries of Ginny on the radio, and realize I could be even more badly represented. By the way, Rick, catastrophe insurance and the environment beg for strong leadership from Fighting Dems. Somehow the environment escapes mention by democratic candidates way too often.
I’m headed over to chip in now, but no CDs Howie, thanks, unless you’ve got the complete Mendelssohn quartets by the Emerson ;)
Hypatia
I am working for a campaign up here in Gainesville, in the Sixth District, but as a Florida native, I am extremely familiar with the Fifth District. What you folks are doing here by contributing is crucial. The area is so vast and rural, it is virtually impossible to reach everyone person-to-person. Each of the postcards you’re sponsoring are so crucial.
Rick, you are doing a wonderful job down there, bringing a message of progressive representation that people in your District MUST hear, so we can bring fellow Americans out of the shadows that the more heartless among us have shoved them into.
Thanks Paul, Dave Bruderly is running a heck of a campaign there in FL-6 against the corruption guru Cliff Sterns.
-Rick
Jane, nice to see you– and thanks for the kind words. Earlier, people were asking what Ned’s campaign is doing to set retirees straight on Lieberman’s footsie-playing with Bush and Wall Street on Social Security destruction. FYI- Rick’s district has the most Social Security recipients of any district in the country, so this is important for him too.
A quick follow up on the resonance of the Schiavo case — TeddySanFran at 54’s link to McJoan led me (via her link) to this Time poll:
http://www.time.com/time/cover.....oll/2.html
BTW, as I’m sure Rick and Kevin know, the politics of immigration in Florida is very strange. Not as strange in central Florida as in south Florida, maybe, where the special status for dry-foot Cubans gets other immigrant communities mad, but strange. If the INS actually deported the undocumented workers, the construction and agricultural industires would close. Not to mention a lot of motels. And theme parks. Anyway, if Florida wants border security, it will have to put landmines in the water and a fence at the Georgia/Alabama lines.
punaise at 100: Frankly, it looks to me like sour grapes from someone who was on the losing side of a battle for leadership of a local DFA group. She seems to have disagreed with the tactics and objectives of the people who succeeded in taking over, but doesn’t really say anything about what her side wanted to do instead (other than she seems okay with Lieberman.)
I’d be charitable and call it just small-group dynamics — having been involved in several groups over the years where new, more dynamic people came in and the founders, while they didn’t have good alternate plans, ended up pretty unhappy — but I’m less inclined to give her that much slack, since her response seems to be ad hominem attacks on the new leaders and trying to tar Ned Lamont with unspecified hints of wrongdoing because they’re involved in his campaign.
Is there an address for sending a personal check for Rick’s campaign? Thanks
Mary, in that part of Florida, there’s only one football rivalry that counts, and the answer is always “Gators.”
New thread, new poster, MARY.
GOTV…
Prairie Sunshine, our campaign maling address is:
Rick for Congress
PO BOX 7279
Wesley Chapel, FL 33544
Thank you for your contribution!
-kc
So…before everyone jumps to the new thread…please go to http://www.actblue.com/page/downwithtyranny#9045 and give at least a little bit.
Just to follow up on John Casper @ 29
Why you should use Occupation not War
Rick, since you are a former Civics and Am. Government teacher, let me suggest something from Wellstone’s first campaign that paid off well for us. We had a number of his former students who organized other former students, and who then volunteered for projects within the campaign — phone banking, lit distribution, building lawnsigns, all the rest, but the point was they kept their identity as “Paul’s Students” — and this attracted others wanting to share that identity. Made certain that when VIP’s came around (we didn’t have all that many in that 1990 campaign) that the students were introduced, had a chance to ask questions and all. Voters were intrigued that students would volunteer long hours to support their former teacher — and according to post election polling it was a factor in our fantastic outcome. Particularly older voters were supportive as they appreciated youthful interest in politics and policy.
Anyhow, good luck…
Sara,
Thank you for your suggestion. In Florida, candidates must qualify by petition, we actually collected over 5,000 just to get on the ballot, in the process we mobilized our volunteers and spoke with thousands of Republicans, Independents and Democrats. My students were a large part of that, and truly inspiring during the petition process. Democracy at work… a valuable lesson for my students, and a valuable lesson from my students to me on how bright our country’s future really can be.
-Rick
Just a few thoughts from a senior. Most of us are not just worried about the SS issue for ourselves but are deeply worried about our kids and grandkids.
A couple of points to stress. The trustfund currently has a surplus thanks to the 1983 congress that saw that more monies would be needed for the babyboomers. It is NOT close to broke.
If we raise the cap this will extend the surplus and when we raise the minimum wage this will also add to the trustfund. This should extend the trustfund by many, many years.
I read an interview with Bob Casey candidate in PA and I agree with his assesment of privatizing SS.
“…it’s a scheme to take away part of a guaranteed benefit from older Americans and replace it with a guaranteed fee for Wall Street. And it’s not the way that we should try to approach the challenge that we have as Americans to make sure Social Security is always there for future generations…”
I’m really sorry I can’t contribute right now, SS checks only go so far but maybe later in the election season you’ll come back when I’m a little more flush. But my prayers are with you and I wish you lots of luck.
Rick and Kevin, thanks for doing this with us today. The comments section will remain open as an archive and for anyone who wants to say something who comes across the story any time between now and November. Have a great time campaigning today and we’ll be talking with you again as the end of Brown-Waite’s tenure in Congress comes closer. Has Kevin played you “Have You Had Enough Yet?”
Good luck to you, Rick!
Kewalo, you did contribute. Your comments are as valuable as anything else anyone could offer. (You want a Charlie Pride CD?)
I can’t put in a contribution until my wife gets home from work and tells me it’s okay *g*, but I’d like to put two candidates into consideration:
Andy Hurst, VA-10, right next door to me. He’s a fighter, not afraid to say that investigations are called for ifwhen the Democrats take back Congress. The district should be Democratic; it went for Kaine for governor and Kerry for president (Dem for the first time in 30 years), and we have recent newspaper articles about local Republicans being despondent and on the run.
He’s up against Tom Davis, who heads the Government Reform Committee, and yet the only government matter he seems to think is important enough to investigate is steroids in baseball. Plus, Davis is a former head of the NRCC, and is said to have his eye on Warner’s senate seat, so taking him out would be doubly sweet.
Another one to look at is Shawn O’Donnell in VA-01. I’m less familiar with the district, so I don’t know what his chances are, but I met Shawn in DFA, and he’s an energetic and strong-willed guy, and has good progressive values.
Howie: Give Kewalo my CD and I’ll contribute again for her. Thanks!
Howie,
Thanks for the offer of the Charlie Pride CD but I a classical kinda gal :) so
send it off you someone that would really apprecaite it.
Awwww Howie, That is really sweet, but I can’t contribute right now and I would feel guilty taking it. But put one aside and I’ll remind you of it when I get some extra cash. How does that sound?
Howie, how is Jerry McNerney doing CA-11) - any news? It would be such a coup to take down Pombo….
Howie and everyone, your support means so much to me. Thank you.
We do have a couple other events in the northern part of our district to get to, so we must get back on the road. But we will be home around 9pm to answer any remaining questions.
Kevin did play “Have you Had Enough Yet?” for me in the car today; he already had it burned onto a CD for the long drive. What a great song by a great band. I’m hoping it proves to be the soundtrack to our victory here.
Folks, every postcard matters in this election. Thank you for your time, your suggestions, and your support. The message you’ve sent today is the message that will take back our country from a corrupt, rubberstamp, and irresponsible Congress.
Thank you all.
-Rick
CCMask…If you do this I would be delighted to accept. I’ve loved Charley for years. I can’t believe how honored I feel.
Thank you so much!
Howie, IMHO, Rick really “comes across” in this medium. In addition to everything else he communicated, his responses carried a “gravitas” that completely belied his lack of explicitly legislative experience.
Keep fighting, Rick!
Howie - “Had Enough,” by the way is a song you’ll be hearing soon– one written and recorded by a Blue America participant (that’s a teaser).
any clues/hints?
Howie, it’s back to the campaign trail. Thank you for everything.
FireDogLake users, you are the best, please keep in touch with your suggestions.
-kevin
kevincate@gmail.com
(813) 394-0457
Kewalo, please send me your name and address. My e-mail is howieklein at aol dot com
punaise, you’ll be hearing it before it’s a national hit.
Kewalo-Done. Enjoy the tunes!
Howie, thanks for the link - I went and chipped in my little bit.
Rick,
I’m so late to this thread, but I wanted to express my good wishes for your campaign as a fellow Floridian. We live in the city of Largo and my son has several friends that attend Largo High School. We are also a Gator family with both my father and husband as graduates of UF.
$50.00 by mail headed your way! Good Luck!
Ann
My mom lives in this district — she has voted D most of her life. When all of her neighbors voted for Bush in 00, she voted for Gore. Last time, about half peeled off and voted for Kerry. Now they have all had it with the Rs.
These folks live on a golf course and have enough money not to have to worry, but not enough that the tax cuts helped them. They fear the war and the growing deficit — because they love their kids and grandkids and see how this R-run govt is poisoning their future.
They’re not idealogues — they’re sensible people with brain cells who think beyond their 4 walls and think about the kind of world they are leaving to the next generations.
Even the hard-core R, Fox News types where she lives can’t stand the incumbent there any more.
Thank God for Howie Klein!
It seems like it has been light years since 415 Records. I love what you are doing in working with Congressional candidates. We need more of that work.
I’ll put some money in an envelope for him.
Keep up the good work.
What a great, inspiring thread! Thank you, Howie.
And thank you, Rick and Kevin.
It’s great knowing that Florida and the USA are going to get such a wonderful, new, progressive Democrat.
Go, get ‘em, Rick!
Very late to the party here, but I just had to send this link to my formerly Republican mother, as well as two brothers and a sister who all live in Zephyrhills (if any of my siblings ever voted Repub they wouldn’t admit it to me or my late union leader father).
I’ve asked them to spread the word, since they haven’t quit complaining the last six years how much tougher things are down there.
Good luck, Rick!
Thank you guys,
-Kevin
Redshift –
A minor point, but Andy Hurst is running for Davis’ seat in the 11th, rather than the 10th.
Regards, and let’s unemploy Tom Davis.
First time poster here, but long time lurker.
I’m glad to throw my $20 into the mix for a worthy candidate.
This dialogue surely appears concocted…Nobody speaks flowery language like this except Oscar Wilde. Rick Penberthy has never done anything political in his life except teach politics & government to high school students…vote..and run for office (pipe dream). His little Channel 8 clip showing the labor union strikers was orchestrated by Lavanne Miller and Keith Cate, Kevin’s father. His “activism” is a joke we Floridians are well-acquainted with.
Nispero—so lets see if I’ve got your idea of his qualifications correct…never done anything political in his life except teach politics & government to high school students plus served in both the Army and the Navy.
Naw, you’re right. No experience there that I’d like to see in Congress. Now if he has twenty years in the pest extermination business…then he’d be truly qualified to serve the people.