
I think Ned Lamont achieved his goal in yesterday’s debate quite handily — introduce himself to a lot of people and show that he’s not the angry loon he’s been characterized as, nor is he a slick pol. His sincerity came through, and scanning the papers today he seems to be winning a lot of converts. Jim VandeHei of the Washington Post, in an online chat today:
New Hampshire: Good morning, Jim and thanks for taking my question.
I watched with interest the Lamont/Lieberman debate. Though Mr. Lamont looked a tad nervous early on, I thought he quickly eliminated that and got down to the issues that matter to democratic voters and made substantive points. Lieberman appeared and sounded petulant and irritable. I thought that his numerous repetitions of Reagan’s line– "there you go again"– most unbecoming, especially for a supposed Democrat. Joe Lieberman appeared supercilious and he actually made some completely false statements. In short, I think Ned Lamont won the debate. What is your take on the debate and the situation in Conn. in general?
Jim VandeHei: lots of interest in the debate, based on the questions. I missed the first half of the debate so I went to Dan Balz and sassy Shalaigh Murray for their take on the exchange and then surveyed a few people i consider smart political minds. I will have the chat master post Murray’s terrific story for this morning’s paper. It appears Lamont did nothing to hurt his chances of pulling off what would be a huge upset in the upcoming primary. Lieberman also showed the benefits of experience and his ability to shift debating styles. That was not the affable Joe we saw against Cheney in 2000. He was tough, assertive, even dismissive. If Lamont appeared rattled early on, he certainly held his own in the end. I have never considered debates make or break events and they often tend to reinforce preexisting views. But if Lieberman’s strategy was to show Lamont was not-ready-for-prime time, or at least not ready to deliver for his state, I doubt the senator accomplished his mission.
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Jim VandeHei: This is Murray’s take via email (the bottom of her after-action report was cut off; sorry).
It was startling to see Lieberman go so negative right away. We haven’t seen that side of him in quite a while — but it’s clear why his last tough opponent, Lowell Weicker, loathes him so. Clearly he decided his best approach to the war question was to make Lamont look like a rookie who didn’t get the big important stuff. I was also surprised to see him drill away at Lamont’s wealth — in Connecticut no less. Surely the lowest point was when Lieberman complained he had to raise his own campaign millions. If it’s true that Connecticut voters are just plain tired of Lieberman — the hunch lots of people have, including Lieberman backers — I’m not sure he helped himself all that much. Lamont was a little green and nervous, a fast talker, but he was pretty articulate and didn’t look the part of a lefty lunatic.
Washington, D.C.: How would you assess Lieberman’s performance last night? I found him to be nearly groveling and a trifle bit pathetic. I’m not a CT voter, but my girlfriend is–and her entire family seems pretty pro-Lamont. I think last night may have only bolstered their support.
Jim VandeHei: Lieberman is in a box. He represents a left of center state and is running in a primary dominated by liberals. Liberals, generally speaking, hate the war and hate Bush. Lieberman has supported both, arguably with more passion than any other prominent Democrat. The liberal-dominated blogs loathe him and have made his defeat their cause. This is not a position other incumbents envy. That said, polling suggests he holds a double-digit lead, but every dem I have talked with over the past week said the lead is shrinking and that Lieberman’s decision to run as independent if needed is concrete evidence he is very nervous about losing to Lamont. It is the best race in the country right now.
I know Ned was a bit nervous at the beginning after having Lieberman open with a mean-spirited attack (one wonders what the past six years might have looked like if he’d unleashed that intensity on Darth Cheney), but I actually think that worked for Ned. It reminded me of Patrick Fitzgerald’s initial nervousness at the Libby press conference, and it showed people that he’s a real guy, unlike Shifty Joe. The fact that many who watched this were won over by Ned’s performance is not surprising.



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Ned!
I watched a good bit of this on various clips today…… I say Ned should run for President. I am very impressed with him as a human being…..
Another egregious zero. I told you, I just feel it. There is a disturbance in the Force.
Sympathy request: my daughter (the married one) just came over to say goodbye before she moves 3,000 miles away. My first child. The very soul and light of my life. Hope to see you sometime soon, I say with more courage than I feel. Thanksgiving or Christmas, whatever works out best for the two of you. Sigh. Long interval of contemplation. Tears.
We honor what is true and beautiful, then are willing to fight for it. Right now I am very tearfully in the honoring part of that equation.
On topic at last, my husband said he wanted me to consult with him before giving any more to Lamont. Well, it would be illegal to give him anymore so I’m fine with that. :)
I may have missed it, but I understand Jane was at Lamont HQ during the debate, and would like her take on how things were perceived there.
egregious at 4
Here’s my hankie sweets…you can keep it.
Have you thought about the travel opportunities that come with the move?
Your turn, good and brave egregious –
(((((((((((EGREGIOUS)))))))))))
More where that came from, anytime.
I mentioned last night that my stepdad – A late fifties, Florida to Connecticut transplanted NASCAR independent said the following.
1) Lieberman represented all he dislikes about politicians
2) Lamont said what he felt the Dems should have been saying for the past 6 years.
This is no lefty, mind you. He’s vehemently more ESPN than MSNBC, doesnt read blogs, hates to talk politics. He was in the Army during Vietnam.
He’s voting for Ned in Nov. (He’s not a dem, so no primary vote)
NedHeads are EVERYWHERE!!!
http://www.WhoIsJoeLieberman.com/
egregious,
We raise them to become independent, productive adults. We only have them for a short time, and then we have to give them all the gift we received when they were given us, a life of their own.
We love them no less, we don’t stop worrying about them. And we miss them when they leave.
You’ve succeeded in your duty as parents.
BC
Petedownunder, I am interested too, but I would invite Jane to at least consider ducking the question until after November.
HoJo’s paid minions are probably monitoring all FDL threads very closely looking for something they can use against Ned. That kind of “inside information,” might come back to bite Ned at some point.
After November, when Ned has won, it won’t be quite as fresh, but I think her observations would be just as welcome.
JMO.
BC,
Thanks very much for your extremely helpful comments prior thread. I’ll try and organize them into something to send to PP and NARAL.
Good call John Casper…I agree.
I love that VandeHei called it,”…the best race in the country right now”.
John,
You’re welcome.
I think you’re tilting at windmills, given the Church’s stance on the issues, but it doesn’t matter what I think. There are plenty of Catholics who disagree with the doctrine of Humanae Vitae and perhaps you’ll make some hay in that crowd.
BC
HoJo’s paid minions are monitoring this thread?
If you are out there, it isn’t too late to flee the dark side!
Lamont’s campaign may not pay as well, but I’m sure that the karmic benefits and peace of mind that come with working for a candidate who is on the right side of the issues would more than make up for it.
(((egregious)))
Take advantage of what you two can with the Internet. Skype.com will give you VOIP phoning for free. It’s great to be able to chat about something silly for just a minute or whatever without worrying about the cost. And you can use your savings for other candidates you care about.
You might also think about a camera for the computer and a digital camera to be able to instantly (or good as) share the little things you saw.
Awwww, egregious. Don’t forget she carries all your input into her upbringing along with her, and make sure you have a good long-distance plan. But that just isn’t the same as a hug, is it? Here’s an inferior virtual one from me. {{{{{{{egregious}}}}}}}
What would Rove do to Joe?
Maybe a phone poll with this question-
Would you still vote for Joe Lieberman knowing that he is considering changing to another political party?
Don’t you get tired of hearing about how we “hate” the war and “hate” Bush? Cos, y’know, we’re psychos, us lefty maniacs.
How come they don’t talk about how right wingers “hate” immigrants and “hate” liberals? Is there any greater queen of hate than Coulter? Or her handmaid Malkin?
Latest from the Courant’s poll
4511 responses
Lieberman 598 13.8%
Lamont 1391 30.8%
Draw 102 2.3%
Didn’t watch 2420 53.6%
Lieberman’s condescension was what relly blew me away. We can do so much better than that!
I made good use of the FDL ActBlue page a few minutes ago.
Ned rocked. Coverage has been surprisingly good, a sure sign that Lieberman’s best Republican impression didn’t go over well with the press or with Connecticut voters.
QuickSilver:
bad link
“There are plenty of Catholics who disagree with the doctrine of Humanae Vitae and perhaps you’ll make some hay in that crowd.”
Exactly, I studied to be priest, never got ordained. The theology behind Humane Vitae is so abomonible, so sub-Xtian. I’m hoping the scientific information may help some Roman Catholics realize how truly bankrupt the hierarchy’s postion is.
OT, on the last thread, Mary linked to Raw Story about the Republican phone jamming. emptywheel just put out something about it today too
CNN talking about Santorum’s “desperate” attempt to turn his campaign around. He’s making illegal immigration his single issue.
Bob Casey says Dogboy is lying.
I listened to the last 1/2 hour on streaming lo-fi and I was impressed. Some here reacted thankfully that Lamont didn’t start drooling or falling to pieces in the presence of a sitting, all-powerful US Senator. But I’d say he not only didn’t fall apart, but went well beyond that and into the “Gee, I wish I had a Senator like that” territory.
egregious: I know it is not going to be easy with your first child leaving….but, the good thing is that you can write a lot of letters and take advantage of the tubernet. Of course, this will slow down my mail but I really don’t mind!
Whether Santorum can mount a come-from-behind win” (CNN)
ROFL who wants to take a stab at that?
John at 12 I see your point and it’s well taken.
My sister in law lives in CT. She is one of those people who never vote. I mean never. Ever. To keep the family peace I don’t push. But I just heard that her neighbors — who she respects enormously have jumped on the Lamont bandwagon and they have gotten her to registger as a Dem two months ago so that she can vote in the primary!!!!!
I just found out because she was over at their house watching the debate, and she is getting psyched!
Hopespringsaturtle
I am surprised you have a dry hanky left.
That is quite a gift from one in grieving herself. Thank you for this gift.
“
Joe Lieberman is dumber than a box of rocks.
If he hadn’t pulled his “Independent Democrat” stunt on Monday, he could have easily used the debate to reassure CT voters that he was on their side, and heard their concerns. Then, he could have whipped out the petitions the last week before the election, just in case. That would have been a wise strategy, and one that might have allowed him to win the Primary.
Now, he looks like another petulant politician, more concerned about himself than his constituents.
Like I said — dumber than a box of rocks. Doesn’t Connecticut deserve better?
{{{egregious}}}
Your husband obviously knows a lot about winning arguments. *g*
egregious
Hopespringsaturtle
I am surprised you have a dry hanky left.
she didn’t say it was dry…. :~)
“but, the good thing is that you can write a lot of letters and take advantage of the tubernet. Of course, this will slow down my mail but I really don’t mind!”
LMAO
Ed Schultz has been saying today that the important thing is that a Democrat win the Nov. election.
But Lieberman apparently disagrees, with his threat to run as an independent if he loses the Dem primary!
I never have warmed up to Lieb and his support of Bush’s Iraq catastrophe is simply unacceptable.
I live in New Mexico so I can’t vote for Lamont.
Not yet, at least!
egregious –
A very BIG hug to you! I can well imagine how you feel, although my experience comes from being in the offspring side of the equation.
Floods of tears were shed on all sides, with huge numbers of relatives at the airport to see me off. I got on an airplane and moved to Europe to do graduate study at university without benefit of any “summer exchange program” structures, and not knowing a single soul across the pond before I got there. Floods of tears!!!
We all survived — and this was in the days before email and cell phones! — I had access only to incoming calls on a communal phone used by upwards of 20 people. Yes, I was homesick and missed mom (and dad) something fierce at times. Would duck into a pay phone and dump significant amounts of high-denomination coin into the slots just to hear their voices and visualize them standing in the warm, cozy kitchen of home.
My mom cried a lot, and not just on the day of departure. So I hope you’re not feeling “funny” about the flood of tears. Throw yourself into it, and even wail out loud! — that would be my advice.
You will have email contact, right? This isn’t Timbuktu or some such we’re talking about — or is it? If you have an email connection, think of all the fun you’ll have sending digital photos to each other! We just got a digital camera this year, finally. And we LOVE the fact that we can take zillions of pics without paying for film, and can offload them onto the hard drive (and on the back-up hard drive, and onto floppies, etc. for good measure to be safe), and then turn around and click a whole bunch more, immediately.
It’s so great to send pics via email — even just of daily life! And then there’s VOIP to save money on phoning if you like. Why, it doesn’t even have to SEEM like you’re very far apart!
[Well, OK, that last sentence isn’t really true — you can’t FEEL a hug over the internet or a cell phone quite the same way, I know that…but still, the technology will make it much easier for you guys than it was for us. Still — even though you can’t FEEL it, I’m sending you virtual hugs, ’cause I know how it hurts.]
best wishes to ya, egregious.
we’ll be empty nesting in a half-dozen years; until then I’ll take you at your word that it’s tough.
egregious @ 4 — such a
bittersweetyucky time. My son, my favorite person in the whole world, will be going away to school soon and it hurts my heart to think of it. Best wishes to you . . .OT but SusanG at Kos has an excellent book review of Byron Dorgan’s new book:
“Byron Dorgan, the junior senator from North Dakota, may well have laid out in his new book, Take This Job and Ship It, the first rough roadmap for Democrats to find their way back into the hearts and heads of the anxious working and middle classes of America.”
Ahh you guys are great. Wet keyboard. Thanks for the love. Much needed.
Christy,
Off topic I know.
Belated congratulations on your well spoken, thoughtful appearance on cspan 6/10/o6, Cspan 2 replayed segments moments ago. I just got cspan so missed orriginal airing. I hope to see more of it.
Coming up on CNN: Joe Lieberman is fighting for his political life.
Over at TPM Cafe, Todd Gitlin sez:
Michael Crowley nails the profound question about Lieberman’s strident, kick-ass performance in his debate with Ned Lamont last night, at TNR’s “Plank”: “Where was this Joe Lieberman back when the stakes were really high?”
. . .
I think the answer has to be that Lieberman is a deacon of deference. He’s a good Jewish boy when it comes to the real power in the country: well-upholstered Republicans. He wants them to accept him, one of the boys after all — and they did, and do. (So when it came to counting military ballots during the Florida postscript to the 2000 election, he went on TV to waive the rules and welcome the counting of ballots mailed late.) Put Joe up against the old money of a Lamont scion and he gets all tough and bothered, since his own prowess is at stake — as plainly it wasn’t when his adversary was only Dick Cheney.
More here.
Not everyone watches the debates, but the impressions people have do get talked about and eventually add to the public image. Joe came off as an Angry Republican. Ned came off as a slightly green Everyman.
A self made millionaire who volunteers as a teacher vs. a three term dissapointment to his state with a sense of entitlement that is painfully transparent. Hmmm…. hard choice.
JoHo has Shays’ vote.
(happy dance)
OT – Donita,
Thanks for the You Tube!!!
Oh man, that is FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..=dormitory boys
R.G. Joe, Deacon of Deference.
Deadeye Dick, Deacon of Deferments.
Jane,
On Plame as always
Truthout has the 5/16/06 Media Hearing Transcipt. 129 pages.
I pulled some of the interesting items out in this diary, I’m sure there is much more to look at, I will go over it again this evening.
egregious,
If I’m not presuming too much, you’re welcome. You done good!
BC
I did not hear the debate, but since John Kroogman mentioned Ed Schulz, I would like people to know that Ed Schulz reported that Lieberman wiped the floor with Lamont, and that Lamont came off as amateurish.
I am not saying this to deny how well Lamont did, but to suggest that some of the so-called liberal radio hosts are not with us on this. Schulz too prides himself on being “independent” and “telling it like it is,” and he thinks that it is the “extreme left” and the Bush haters who are opposed to Lieberman. “The blogs hate Lieberman with a passion,” Schultz tells us.
Ed Schultz is no friend of mine.
egregious, letting go of my oldest was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done. So, sympathy you have from me.
It’s interesting that my husband said essentially the same thing about nedonations, but I’m not near the legal limit yet.
Hopespringsaturtle
I am surprised you have a dry hanky left.
Hope –
One of the things that bothers me MOST about only being able to pop in here infrequently is that I miss whole huge segments of conversation between members of this great Firepup community.
I’m sorry I missed hearing whatever it is that is causing you sorrow, but my thoughts and prayers go out to you nonetheless. If you don’t find it too bothersome to repeat things you’ve said before, could you fill me in? Or maybe someone else can jump in?
Hugs to you, too, Hope!
Ed Schultz all over himself.
Hope’s husband is an M.D. who just left for Iraq and Germany.
Mrs. K8,
Hope (among others of us) has a family member being deployed on TDY. Her husband is over in Germany, evac’ing wounded troops from Iraq.
BC
I tried listening to the debate but got so turned off by Lieberman’s voice, I had to stop. After reading several blogs and papers, I gave it another try. I don’t know much about Lamont. I used to be neutral about Lieberman (I didn’t like his hangin’ with Tipper Gore on the whole music/parental supervision issue). I knew he was a bit of a hypocrite, but all politicians are, so what’s the diff.
After watching Lamont debate Lieberman, I realize that Lamont does NOT come across as a hypocrite. He may have seemed a bit nervous initially, but he comes off as a very intelligent, well informed, earnest individual, and his summation speech was excellent. And after the debate, I’d vote for Lamont if only to ensure that I never had to hear that obnoxious nasal Lieberman whine again.
Does anyone know if Lieberman botoxed his upper lip? It didn’t move once.
I heard Howard Fineman in an interview on all news radio in DC today say that Lamont’s support comes from “the Internet voters who are against the war.” He did not say that voters are angry because Lieberman is basically a DINO, only that Dems are mad at him for being pro-war in Iraq!
He also said that Lieberman had to announce that he would run as an Independent if he lost the primary because he only has one day after the primary to get the 7000 signatures he needs to run as an Independent. Is this the interpretation you guys got?
Does anyone know if Lieberman botoxed his upper lip?
Not sure about that, but I think Lieberman botoxed his brain . . .
Great question mps!
“Does anyone know if Lieberman botoxed his upper lip? It didn’t move once.”
I hope someone in Ned’s campaign knows a plastic surgeon who could render a professional opinion. Since the NYT’s is still so interested in the intimacies of Bill and Hill, how could they resist HoJo’s upper lip?
On TPM cafe
On July 7, 2006 – 1:39pm BBochove said:
I guess I am not surprised by Lieberman’s passion against the progressive wing. If one looks at the DLC/NewRepublic/warhawk wing of the Democrat Party then UNIVERSALLY the main line of attack is to fire on their own troops. It is NOT an accident that Lieberman, and Beinart, and Wittman (go check out the BullMoose website), and Peretz and Zengerle, and Joe Klein, and Al From and the very stereotype of the angry centrist Zell Miller (DLC), are never as impassioned by the injustice and outrages of the Republican, far-right authoritarians with their disregard for our sick and poor and homeless or by the right’s assault on the environment ant the judiciary and civil liberties, or by the right’s embrace of military aggression and unilateralism in the service of American (read “corporate”) “interests”, as they are when they attack the progressive wing of their own party for daring to oppose the right wing and their policies of destruction and greed and selfishness.
Yes, that’s my understanding, but it’s 7,500 signatures.
pernaise 57
“Ed Schultz all over himself.”
Waht did you think of Ed’s comments..
“Ed Schultz all over himself.”
that was my editorial comment on his comments, as they were relayed here by Koheleth. exchange the “u” for an “i”
that’s 7500 valid signatures so a professional tries for at least 50% more. The Lamont folk have already announced those petitions will be scrutinized exactingly !
it’s 7,500 signatures.
7,500 VALID signatures. Usually, petition drives need to gather 30% to 50% more signatures than are needed, just to cover for the ones that are thrown out.
neurophius says:
July 7th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
Noron on Hardball is getting ready to do Joe Lieberman…
Ewww.
neurophius says:
July 7th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
Whether Santorum can mount a come-from-behind win”
C’mon Neuro, I was hoping to eat sometime tonight…
egregious @ 3:05 pm (#4) – I never had children, so can’t really relate, but I’d echo Bargain Countertenor’s thought that you’ve done what a parent should, and gave your daughter a life of her own.
If you have a broadband-diameter Internet tube, you might want to look at video conferencing software. Microsoft offers NetMeeting for free, there’s something called Ekiga (formerly GnomeMeeting) that runs on Linux and Unix, and there’s a client for the Mac, also. If it’s just between two computers, you don’t even need a server.
wow, Jane! I am blushing like a crazy progressive, that was my letter from NH to Jim. I am so honored.
running around the living room doing the happy dance :0
Okay, here’s the mission for Lamont supporters.
Flood Holy Joe’s petition drive with invalid signatures.
BC
kesher,
whats your point?
Schultz was UNINFORMED…had NO facts and just spewed Liebermans talking points….Schultz is an entertainer, he rarely has all the facts, callers called in to try and refute the Liberman talking points, it did no good, Schultz was probably already contacted by Liebermans people and promised Holy Joe will appear on his program……Can you say DLC…Schultz is VERY connected to them (DLC) and most of the time uses their talking points.
Seems to me the fallout from the debate yesterday is 90% pro-Lamont. I hate to say it but though Ned wants to answer the question, “Who is Ned Lamont,” I think this election is shaping up to be nothing other than a referendum on Joe Lieberman. It’s all about JOE and the status QUO.
Flood Holy Joe’s petition drive with invalid signatures.
I disagree. Let’s not sink to Joe’s level.
http://www.WhoIsNedLamont.com
http://www.WhoIsJoeLieberman.com
or click on my name to contribute to Ned via FireDogLike
Punaise,
I understand your reticence. On the other hand, as Clausewitz pointed out, “War is diplomacy by other means.”
Holy Joe has declared war. Use the weapons available.
BC
Sabotage is crime — and Rove GOP standard operating procedure.
Let Holy Joe fall on his own — he’s doing such a good job aready self destructing, there is no need to crawl in the gutter with him.
and won’t it be fun for the Lieber-Petitioners to be paranoid about the validity of their signatures ?
Does anyone yet know what was yelled out from the audience last nite that stopped HoJo cold?
Is “Who is Ned Lamont” a variation of Joe’s own thought? As in – “Jesus Christ! Just who the fuck is this Ned Lamont guy”?
Oscarsmom @ 4:01 pm (#76) – One thing that clearly did come across is that Ned is a good alternative, if you don’t like Joe. While he didn’t come off as polished, he made his points pretty well, and didn’t get too wonky or condescending. That’s important.
You’re right, for many the election will be about how Democrats perceive Lieberman’s service in the Senate, but if people had drawn the conclusion that Lamont was a moron or a space case, then I think it wouldn’t have mattered.
I live in an increasingly blue state with a Senator we aren’t too happy with, so this is a thought process I’m somewhat familiar with.
angie, it was just the stupid station’s 11-o’clock news promo.
Thanks, guys, for answering so quickly!
Bargain Countertenor –
When you say “among others of us” — does that mean you and your family are in the same situation?
My heart and the prayers of Mr. K8 and me go out to Hope and to all others who suffer this particular agony. How do you all manage to handle the tidal waves of anger which must well up in your hearts over and over again at this illegal monstrosity of a war?
My anger practically knocks me out from time to time, and I don’t even have family members involved. I don’t know how I would cope.
I’m just glad that this community exists. Others have helped me here a lot with my frustration with disability and our pupster’s cancer. Whatever small bit of help it may represent for me to meditate on and pray over the hurting or broken hearts of others here — it’s not just a “duty” — it’s a privilege.
Bargain Countertenor @ 4:03 pm (#79) I agree with punaise, this is a dirty trick, and best left to people who don’t mind having to explain it later.
ummmm … lieberman is more likely to say: “Jumping Jehosephat! Who the fuck is this Ned Lamont?”
that’s 7500 valid signatures
now if they need 7500 rabid signatures, that’s another story
Have any of you Nutmeggers asked NBC-30 why the moderatrix let Lieberman bully her so?
oh, poo, lotus. I so wanted it to be somebody hollering out Benedict, I hardly knew ye!
egregious –
Encourage your daughter to blog. Mine does, and it’s a wonderful visit every time I go to her site — she writes about crafts and photos she’s taken and things she’s cooked — and her life in NYC.
Almost better than talking to her — because I get a glimpse of what she’s thinking and what she’s up to — things that might not come up in conversation — but help to keep us feeling like we still occupy the same world.
heh, angie.
and your little dog, too . . . . says
I hope someone from Ned’s campaign can work through the debate tape. I bet the data would make for a great story in the CT papers, another example that HoJo cannot manage his boundaries.
*ilson46201 :
actually Lieberman is more likely to say: “Jumping JoHo-sephat!
(BTW zennurse, if you’re reading, forget Resolve, use FOLEX–Folex is a miracle cleaning product for all sorts of stains, but with 2 aging cats I can tell you it beats Resolve hands down. No smell, no sticky residue on your fingers, and boy does it WORK! Even on really old stains. I can honestly say, my life changed when I discovered it. Available at most supermarkets. And no, I don’t own the stock! Wish I did though! LOL)
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
I guess I’d better clarify.
I wouldn’t organize a drive to flood HoJo’s drive with invalid signatures. What I would do, if I were a registered CT voter, is to sign HoJo’s petition myself. With an error.
BC
My satellite (tv) is now repaired. What time is the debate?
A really sad thing is happening in the military. A lot of neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other haters are joining up. And the Pentagon knows it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..mp;emc=rss
ah, BC – sly subterfuge. you devil you.
I still wouldn’t encourage that. “high road” and all.
Billmon’s already got the awful graphic http://billmon.org/archives/002516.html
Per OK kiddo at 4:15
It may be time to reinstitute the draft.
BC –
It could come back and bite Ned Lamont — and the last thing he needs is to be seen as another underhanded politician.
Tough is good; dirty is bad . . .
Squeaky Clean for Ned!!!
Ok Kiddo, read that and got sick to my stomach and head.
first gangs, now skinheads, what volunteer army?
they have no right to serve in the ME or anywhere.
thanks, W. they will come home and then we’ll reap what we have sown.
it’s either the draft or mandatory service. the hell with this.
Nedsters are neat!
John Casper @ 4:16 pm (#102) – It may be time to reinstitute the draft.
Better wait until after the election, though.
Hey egregious . . . I too left home at 21 to move 3,000 miles away with NO intention of returning anytime soon . . . and was back within the year. So hang in there–you just never know!
Well said, Cujo359, I was typing before thinking.
I thought we were rabid Nedsters of the Left, ripping petitions ….
punaise – I’m a Nedhead.
OK kid – Don’t forget we now cross the border and recruit out of poor Mexican High Schools.
Commander Codpiece: “You call these volunteers neo-Nazis and skinheads and psychotic sociopaths — I call them my base!!!”
I believe the first US soldier to die in Iraq was a Guatemalan citizen …
Cujo359 says – broadband-diameter Internet tube..
Is it possible to ream out my dial-up adapter tube to get faster internets, or will I have to call the phone company plumbers?
PS. I have a snake.
Ooo, just filched this primo quote from a comment over at TPM Cafe:
All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door.
– John Kenneth Galbraith
Ed Schultz is a tool. I spent some effort trying to educate him via e-mail about Lieberman regarding the senator’s (all-too-typical) behavior around the bankruptcy bill. I thought for a while that maybe Ed was educable because the number of fawning interviews with the “moderate” Lieberman seemed to have dropped.
Lately, though, Schultz seems to be eagerly seizing the opportunity to use the Lamont challenge to push back against the “far left.” None of the facts about the joenert one’s two-faced pattern of Bush enabling will ever sink in.
Hey egregious –
What Oscarsmom said . . .
When I was 19, my parents were very concerned when I hitchhiked cross country. Two years later, I moved 1500 miles away, from Denver to Tucson. But I came home often, and moved back within 3 years.
So hang in there, and get that VOIP phone service!
MsK8 86
I have undergone the most intense sorrow of my life these past 3 weeks. Nothing that would cause a blip on most people’s screens, but mine is a dog, too, (and not a little one – - a big one) and I can’t even write about him yet.
FDL has kept me connected to the world in a way real people contacts couldn’t. (Mommy, why is that crazy woman crying?)
I owe you guys my sanity.
Some day maybe I can tell you about it, but meantime, thanks so much to all of you.
Ed Schultz is a DLC-style Democrat, and he has yet to evolve past that. And given his roots, don’t count on him ever moving past it.
What we need from people like Schultz is what I promise them. I will back the Democratic candidate. Period.
BC
War is NEITHER diplomacy by others means NOR politics by others means.
In fact, war is the ANTITHESIS of either diplomacy or politics.
Just cause von Clauswitz said it doesn’t make it TRUE, or smart or cool or witty or pithy or anything else.
And, whenever someone does bring it up, I always counter with John Keegan’s “A History of Warfare,” in which Keegan, the world’s foremost (if you want to say one of the foremost that’s ok too) military historians, debunks Clauswitz’s dictum.
And I am not going to stop.
JWR @ 4:22 pm (#113) – I think there’s a law that says you have to get the phone company to do it. Some physicist wrote that law, and you know how they are about amendments. The Supreme Court doesn’t take those cases, either.
and your little dog, too . . . ., as soon as you’re ready, hon, we’re here to catch whatever you need to spill. Bless your heart.
And I am not going to stop.
I don’t think even Einstein came up with a theory on how to stop a universe.
Ed Schultz is bought and paid for by the Democratic senators. He used their money to launch his show (after Randi Rhodes turned it down). Of course he’s going to be propping up incumbents like Lieberman.
Dean sticks by the winner of the CT primary– no question.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 4:27 pm (#119) – Von Clauswitz was right in one sense – both war and politics are methods of conflict resolution. I also think you have to consider that in VC’s day, politics were a good deal different than they are today, at least in what I sometimes think of as “enlightened” countries.
you can run video conferencing software including NetMeeting on a dialup connection — it aint pretty but it can work!
Probably has been mentioned, but McGuire references the “angry left” here at “rabiddoglake”.
http://justoneminute.typepad.c…..v_lam.html
and your little dog, too: the late great Cesar is looking after your pooch.
aww, punaise.
and you little dog, too– ;(
for 14 years I had living with me my first pitbaby named “Najibollah” — it was sad breaking the news to him that his namesake had just been hung by a mob in Kabul — my “Naji” passed about 4 years ago — I still slip and call one of my new pitbabies Naji now and then …
OT – From TPM Muckraker: More WH “appointments” for Abramoff.
Cujo359 – Thanks for that link. ;-)
Ned is going to win the primary and the general.
Period. Full stop.
Holy Joe: don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
Ned was real and the voters will connect with him. This isn’t just left blogostan talking.
Imperial chap, that Cesar (bet he’s glad to loosen his tie, too), punaise. He and my Nigel (no pic available) must have things well in paw.
I hope someone is leading the charge to encourage Dems not to sign HoJo’s petition to run as an independent.
(That said, there are probably more than enough Repukes who will sign to get him on the ballot.)
Still, I think it is one big DISS to the Dems if he does run Indy–and I hope ALL Dems, big and small, will come out to support Ned Lamont if it comes to that.
JWR @ 4:38 pm (#131) – Interesting. It looks like there were seven appointments in one year (2001). After that, not so much. I’m guessing that was about the time DoJ started looking into Abramoff’s activities?
“Your eye is the lamp of your body…” Luke 11:34
I dug the few clips of Mr. Lamont that I’ve glimpsed, though I haven’t read too much…..keep up the honesty Ned, good luck and remember:
“It is error alone which needs the support of the government, Truth can stand by itself..” Thomas Jefferson
OT – Coulter’s plagiarism on CNNtv now
thanks, lotus. unfortunately his tie got permanently loosened by a speeding car. sniff, sniff.
so is just any registered voter in Connecticut allowed to sign Cut’n Run Joe’s petitions or do they have to be certified “Independents”? Can registered Republicans or Democrats sign those peitions?
Damn. So sorry, pun.
’sokay lotus. there’s a new kitten in the household.
After what I saw of Joe in the debate last night I gotta say I would not vote for him if I were a CT resident in the general if he was the candidate. I just would. not. vote. for him under any circumstances. Talk about feeling like a whore. No f**king way.
Well, I did use the asterisks!
Yah, and Punaise hasn’t even named his kitten yet. Why I never! :)
Homegrown terrorists in the Army?
According to the Times, the Army is being infiltrated (sometimes knowingly by the Army) by white supremacists who are using the Army as a training ground for [expected] race wars in America. They are also spewing their hatred while in the Army, appararently undeterred by a zero-tolerance of hate policy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..mp;emc=rss
How IS M. Zidane today, pun?
Aww, Punaise,
I am sorry. My gorgeous Willy was hit by a gardening truck on a country road when I lived up in the mountains. I always kept a close eye on my boy because of the coyotes and only let him out a few minutes a day, and watched him intensely.
I turned my back and heard the squeal of tires. So sudden and so devastating. My condolences.
egregious — wow. You’ve had a rather big 24-hours, haven’t you? Hope you have something new to fill in the gap of that first baby leaving the “nest”; if not, I’m sure you’ll find us FDL’rs willing to pinch hit.
Too bad you don’t live in the ‘hood; I’ve got some kids I’d be glad to loan you if only for a bit. ;-)
FWIW, I know folks upthread have mentioned Skype.com — but Skype currently has a promotion through at least the end of year where users can outcall (dial any telephone number, not computer-to-computer) inside the U.S. and Canada for *free*. As long as your computer meets their minimum specs, you’ll find the service is quite good. You’ll be able to call them por nada whereever your firstborn is, until they get their new internet service.
Hang in there, fellow mom. Will be thinking of you.
Re: Ed Shultz: he p*sses me off more than a few times a week as well . . . but don’t totally write him off. I found out when I was advertising on AAR that he actually is one of their most, if not *the* most popular shows. He appeals to a lot of people, so he’s worth listening to if only to get ideas on how to reach the middle.
For some reason he’s a big friend of HoJo so I guess he can’t totally jump on the Lamont bandwagon–but not everything he said today was pro-Joe.
Zidane* le Chat awaits the World Cup match on Sunday….
*still no official name
and your little dog, too . . . I’m so sorry. These little friends of ours are so important, aren’t they? Hugs to you, and I’m glad you’re here.
Lotus 121
Thanks, Sweetie.
I will.
and your little dog too,
My sympathy as well. It’s very tough.
apropos the name of the kitten: I never forced a name on a cat — I always awaited until it revealed its name to me …
Oh, punaise.
New kitten. I have two words for you: claw sheaths.
We’re caring for Cadet Countertenor’s new kitten (who is harrassing the hell out of our senior-aged Belgian Shepherd [15] and Persian [16]) while he’s gone to summer camp and makee-learnee in Korea.
The sheaths saved the terrorist (I’m calling her Al-Zarkitty, but I’ve been overruled) from an appointment to have those knives removed.
BC
JftB – likewise, for Willy. We actually lost two cats in the span of a few months: Cesar was preceded in cat heaven by sister Lola. “Zidane” is an indoor cat.
‘Mazing how they do that, innit, *ilson?
*ilson, how long did you wait? Seriously.
Drive by …
Just want to say it was great meeting Leslie in Ca, and LindaR, and Donna, and Sharon last night.
Not only are FDLers smart, intelligent, wise and empathic, but great looking people too.
L8r
Another alternative to Skype (though a paid service) is Lingo, a VoiP. It’s $25 a month, flat fee. All Western Europe and National calls, unlimited. With the frills, of course, caller ID, call waiting, etc. And the advantage is your computer doesn’t have to be on, although you do need a cable modem.
I really love the service. http://www.lingo.com.
BC – claws haven’t been a problem, although he is quite the climber (curtains and sofas may never be the same). Little critter is quite the nipper, however. Still trying to wean him of that.
New kitty owners (I’m envious, BTW!): one word: Folex!
Is he a head-butter, pun? Them’s my fave.
I actually had one cat that never revealed its name : it had the null set of cat names. it remained nameless. My louche friends called it “The Cat That Dare Not Speak Its Name.”
After further consideration and review of the debate, I have concluded that Lieberman loves two things more than anything else, those being PORK and WAR.
These are his fundamental “principles” and thankfully he made this clear on Thursday night.
punaise – if you figure out how to handle the nipping, pls let me know. ouch
Do you have any un-louche friends, *ilson? (Certainly not here.)
Punaise -
Thanks. I buried Willy under a ginger plant in a beautiful box, wrapped in his favorite blanket. I wrote him a letter and told him how much I loved knowing him, sealed it, and it was drenched in my tears by the time I placed it with him. I also told him I was sorry I wasn’t more careful.
He was a great scamp, though, and he thoroughly enjoyed his life.
btw, I’ve never had a cat that scratched the furniture because as soon as they show that inclination I just put a scratching post in that spot and they like using that better. I would try it before the sheaths or anything like that. It usually works.
somebody wise once said that cats were God’s way of telling you your furniture was too expensive …
“Allez, les Bleus” says Zidane.
OK, I gotta go. my FDL abstinence-for-a-day pledge lies in tatters on the floor.
Truly Egregious, sorry about the child move. My father used to say, “I raised up a strong stick so he could beat me.” Both pride and regret in his voice….
*ilson46201 @ 4:56 pm (#163) – Names don’t seem to be important for cats. I call my cats many things, and they don’t seem the least confused. Cats visit you when they want, not when they’re called.
Bone sour, punaise (an’ Zidane).
Larry Johnson has a new post about the SISMI/Niger flap in Italy. It’s mostly an assessment of the current investigation by one of his ex-Company buds.
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..gh_on.html
Bottom line: we might well get a bit more, but Prodi has to tread very softly. Still, it’s good to know where things stand when the investigation finally stalls because it’s gotten to close to some sensitive people/subjects. That in itself will provide some clues.
Jenny,
Unfortunately, Al-Zarkitty didn’t have a favorite place. Worse, she delighted in digging those knives into my ankles right around dawn, and jumping up to my chair and planting them in my knee. While I was reading the newspaper.
Some cats don’t come around to the idea that the world isn’t their scratching post. For them, the sheaths are a great alternative to declawing.
BC
I think the best thing about pets is that they are good-karma generators. You can’t control what you been born into, but you can positively affect the lives in your care–the more lives, the better the karma. I am maxed out at my four sibling cats I saved from a feral mom two years ago, and of course my two girls, 11 and 13.
my boys have official “vet’s office” names but otherwise they are the boys… “Sweetie” was with me 20 years and I guess I am still in self protection mode… for 2 years now.
Ooo, thanks, al-Scooter. (Be back to y’all ASAP.)
Oh, and Willy was 18 years old when he died, so I was lucky to have him for so long…
Have a great evening, all!
KO just played the Ned clip: “This isn’t Fox News, sir!”
OT Senate Committee gearing up for first GITMO legislation hearings 7-13
http://tinyurl.com/o3fxf
Although they still haven’t got around to looking for that 9 billion dollars, Senate Warner is barely waiting until the ink is dry on Hamdan before starting hearings.
It’s good to see that they are impatient to require that the spirit of the Geneva Conventions find voice – that truth’s premium is resurrected by requirements of solid evidentiary standards and procedural protections – that a sense of honor will be returned to our institutions by requiring compliance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Or as Sen. Warner puts it, in a stirring recitation: “Our goal is to recommend . . . legislation that would survive future federal court challenges,” he said.
Oh.
He did mention that America’s credibility might be at issue. See. So these hearings and efforts of the Senators will be about reflecting American values of justice and integrity, right?
I’m sure that’s what he meant when he said it would be “vital” to craft legislation suitable to both Republicans and Democrats.
As long as the partisan bases are covered, I’m sure justice and integrity will out.
He does realize, I suppose, that as long as the President follows the UCMJ, they don’t need to draft ANY legislation?
Just why isnt following the UCMJ and the Geneva Conventions “suitable to both Republicans and Democrats?”
Don’t know, but I do hope they have hearings worth having.
And that Warner is soon looking over at Webb as the new Senator from VA.
Cujo359 at 4:42 pm (#135) – I’m guessing that was about the time DoJ started looking into Abramoff’s activities?
That’s what I figure. That’s also around the time of Bush’s intervention in that whole Guam mess in late 2002, in which Abramoff played no small part. Daily Kos link.
Folex for Felix. *ilson is on to *at naming, self revealing imo. AL-Zarkitty, I like. Now I should head outside and save a rabbit from Jessie Yazoo. I don’t know why he liked that name.
BC -
Guess I’ve been lucky. Sheaths sound like a good and humane alternative!
Headline News: Ken lay is dead. No foul play. Waiting for toxicology report. Sunday is funeral and another funeral on Wednesday…oh….he will be cremation. People are suspicious, conspiracy theorists….they think he might be living on an island. The talking head giggles and shakes her head. I can’t believe that she is saying I can’t believe people are saying he pulled a fast one…hopwever, there are no reports from the Headline News, only giggles.
Has anyone seen the body??? Will Ken Lay in state?
ccmask — he’s already ashes.
Mary @ 5:03 pm (#180) – It amazes me that these guys are so reluctant to use standard military courts. Either there’s something I don’t understand about the requirements, or there’s just not much evidence on these guys. I think if you were looking for a hangin’ jury for Al Qaeda members the U.S. military would be the perfect place to recruit from.
So, once again we’re confronted with the proposition that new legislation is needed just because the President doesn’t want to be bothered with complying with the current law.
Cujo359, my cat knows his name, and responds to it. Of course, he hopes that he will receive food as a result, but he definitely knows his name.
He died penniless. Like Jesus.
If it’s actually, as the NY Post calls him, “Cheato Lay”….
al-scooter: I’ll have to go read it, but an interesting aspect is that Berlusconi is now facing tax fraud charges and that opens doors for investigation. I think it could get very interesting.
AND MORE OT
DOING THE HAPPY DANCE – Paul Kiel at Muckraker has one of my “why doesn’t anybody ever mention this” topics up now – http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001052.php
Ashcroft and Abramoff.
good one! lol
wxyz, 164:”After further consideration and review of the debate, I have concluded that Lieberman loves two things more than anything else, those being PORK and WAR.”
I have no idea whether this was snark or innocent, but as an Orthodox Jew, Lieberman can in no way love PORK. But it was worth a fine chuckle.
Actually in the debate with Ned they both referred to “earmarks.” Maybe they were referring to “sow’s ears.”
Nice catch Mary.
Senator Elizabeth Taylor is crafting the legislation. I feel safer already.
punaise…
Confession time. I suffer from an utterly incurable disease. It’s called katatonia katosis. It’s a terminable condition brought on by the possible deprivation of my Siamese. The only known remedy is close proximity to my cat. And she’s absolutely horrid sometimes. As she is well aware of my condition and sometimes chooses to deprive me of her presence in order to procure her own way. Disgusting. Can’t live with ‘em, and can’t live without them.
Mary at 190, does that give us AshAbScam?
katatonia katosis syndrome is also called, “Moth to flame disease.” My rather irracible 13 year old cat, Maria Theresa, is a similar symbiotic stimuli for my smallish version of the syndrome.
Oklahoma kiddo
sounds like you need a cat’ll lick it converter.
(OK, I’m really really not here…)
#194: “Can’t live with ‘em, and can’t live without them.”
Cats were the #3 reason for my divorce. The other two you already know about.
Cujo – what they keep saying is that for these guys (you know, they rounded them ALL up on the BATTLEFIELD remember) they will be revealing all kinds of secret info if they have to have real trials.
Lions and tigers and bears, OH MY!
So– how much secret intel does it take to haul in a guy off the battlefield? Could Rumsfled possibly be a LIAR? Surely not.
Besides, the sensitivity of the intel involved is such that we sent incompetent translators who couldn’t speak English OR the language they were translating with even minimal proficiency. That’s the way to handle highly sensitive intel.
It all goes back to the big daddy, the one that hasn’t been punched out yet — Secrets.
So far, miltary JAG has been a little less compliant with DOJ, but who knows where the secrets arguments go. I’m kind of wondering what is such sensitive info that after 4 years and disbanding the bin laden unit they can’t mention it. ??
Abramoff and Ashcroft are proofs that religiosity does not necessarily lead to a virtuous life.
Dammit. You guys have me crying again reading about your dear friends who are watching over Romeo.
But then, I’m laughing, too, because you are all so smart and so clever – - and so much fun. Thanks for that.
It’s so strange, in the space of five recent years I lost all of my birth family except my mother who has advanced Alzheimers. Mr. LittleDog lost both his parents and our home of 27 years burned down.
I had lost 5 or 6 other dogs in my 27 years of breeding, so I never expected this one to be so awful, so raw.
You’d think with all those losses I’d have had practice at grieving – but I guess this was something else.
I just pray I never forget how he looked and how he smelled and how he felt.
Thanks again, Firepups.
blessings to you and yours and your little dog, too.
*ilson46201 – Some, including myself, might argue that religiousity, more often than not, leads away from a virtuous life.
There is a somewhat related discussion in the comments section to Peterr’s post this afternoon.
It’s times like this that the Rainbow Bridge story sounds like a mighty good narrative. I hope all our pets furry family members know much we miss them once they’ve crossed.
Mary @ 5:17 pm (#199) – My guess is that the military is used to handling trials that have secret information in them. I could easily be wrong, but there are certainly enough times when some aspect of an operation is secret in that environment that it just seems altogether likely.
In addition, the points you bring up are good ones. This information is four years old, most of the information regarding their guilt or innocence is probably not classified, and they can handle the “cooperation” aspects of a plea deal without a jury or witnesses.
To me, it’s just like FISA. There’s no good reason other than that it’s a little more trouble than they feel like going to. I’d love for someone to explain where I’m mistaken.
oh, they do, al-Scooter and they’ll be waiting…
Al Scooter 204
I know the Rainbow Bridge and The Star, too.
So many people who loved Romeo have written me saying he was so loved by so many and what a wonderful ambassador for the breed he was.
I’m still at the place where I don’t CARE about all that. I just miss him so.
Selfish and self-pitying, too, I guess. But that’s where I am.
I know some of you have been here, too.
*perks up* Rainbow Bridge? are we back to music? Wagner’s “Das Rheingold” is all about forging the Rainbow Bridge and how the Gods can enter Valhalla over it. Now that’s music!
None of this Frank Sinatra and the Smashing Pumpkins or whatever you punks listened to today …
Snip……
“QUESTION: Thank you very much.
Mr. President, the work of U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in prosecuting alleged corruption is well-known here in Chicago as well as nationally. It’s my understanding that, technically, he hasn’t been reappointed to his position and serves at your pleasure.
Do you have any plans to formally reappoint him to the post or any other position in the Department of Justice? And…
BUSH: As a special prosecutor.
QUESTION: And would you give us your assessment of the job that he’s doing?
BUSH: You know, I don’t have any plans to reappoint him because I haven’t thought about it.
BUSH: I will now think about it now that you brought it up.
The only — I can give you an assessment of what — how I thought he handled the case in Washington. I haven’t been following the cases here.
I thought, in Washington, he handled the case with professionalism. He was very professional about it. You didn’t see a lot of leaks. You didn’t see a lot of speculation. You didn’t see a lot of people, kind of, dropping a little crumb here for the press to chew on. And I really thought he handled himself well.
But as far as reappointing him as the special prosecutor, I don’t know whether the attorney general’s going to do that or not. That’s his choice to make.”……….
http://tinyurl.com/lap2v
Fitzgerald is in the news today regarding his activities in Chicago:
http://tinyurl.com/j2awq
I thought “Rainbow Bridge” was by Jimi Hendrix..
I just want to support cujo359 and punaise. We shouldn’t do stuff that might come back and make us look as bad as BushCo. An old teacher of mine used to say that the ends don’t justify the means because there are no ends. Only means.
If we keep telling the truth, we’ll win.
*ilson
And the next sixteen hours are about the consequences of building that bridge.
Glorious music, every note of it.
BC
One of the great things about Hamdan, I thought was that it came out that Hamdan had a fourth grade education when they kidnapped him out of Yemen. Oh, yeah, he’s some kind of threat to the U.S.
If we could get the TM to actually do some narrative on the guys at Gitmo, I think we find a lot more like that.
OT, today was the one year anniversary of the London bombings, to which they can still find no link to Al Queda. A UK poll said that 25% of the Moslems in the UK thought the bombers died as martyrs. They think the WAR ON TERROR is WAR ON ISLAM. I can’t say as I blame them. We’re spending $250,000,000 a day for what exactly?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search=jimi hendrix rainbow bridge&search_type=search_videos&search=Search
Yea *ilson . . . a fellow Wagnerite! :)
Bit of advice for cat-discipline: have a squirt bottle handy. Doesn’t hurt ‘em and they HATE it. Works on everything (except couch-shredding, I’m afraid)–and you only have to do it a couple of times before they get the message.
To change the UCMJ for “terrorist” subjects is one of the stupidest ideas on the planet. It would mean a direct legislative abrogation of the Geneva Conventions, and it is not clear that Hamden Court has said that Congress can do that. Those with integrity in the State Depatment and the Military will fight any new system, because it would mean disaster for our troops, diplomats and staffs around the world. If I were a Democratic Senator, I would be lining up those people for the hearings, whether Warner allowed them to speak or not. My guess (and Mary knows that my optomistic view sometimes turns out to be right) is that the Senate and House will never get around to changing the UCMJ and Hamden will sort of pass from everyone’s view. Ultimately the case supports what the President really wanted, unlimited detention for enemy prisoners. Time will tell….
AshAbScam *g*
I’m hoping there’s a chance that this hasn’t been croftoffed someone’s list of things to look into.
I’m not sure I buy the IG’s explanation that Black was already on his way out independent of Abramoff, but I need to read and not just skim the report. And just why was Black ordered not to investigate Abramoff any further along with his demotion?
Read the Abramoff Aschroft bits, then re-read the Waas piece on how Ashcroft handled the Plame leak (IMO, the best of all Waas’ very good pieces).
Where IS Ms Ralston these days?
I need to take a speed reading course to keep up with this very busy blog. I try really hard to read comments before I post, but then I have so little time to participate.
Thanks, Oscarsmom, I will find it and use it. Great advice, although I have no real issues with Resolve. I wonder if it works on clothes; my 22 year old gets the wierdest stains and I have used Resolve once or twice for them with success.
And to all of our grieving animal lovers, I can join in here. My first and only other cat besides Zoey was Aretha (loud snore) who just died one day. She was given to me on a trial basis (haha) and came with the name Princess (not my kind of name, so I changed it and she liked Aretha much better. It was wierd, I had only had my ex-husband’s dog as a pet of any kind before and he was so old and ill when we put him to sleep it was just such the right thing to do. Aretha was fine, and then she was gone. Hard work grieving for her with no warning.
One last thing, just wanted to thank Peterr for his fascinating and thought provoking thread; I could only skim the discussion, but would have liked to see more discussion of the end of life issues conversation with Fundamentalists. I thought it was profoundly ironic that shortly after Terri Schiavo died, the pope essentially opted for hospice care at the Vatican and nobody seemed to raise an eyebrow.
“None of this Frank Sinatra and the Smashing Pumpkins or whatever you punks listened to today …”
LMAO
the squirt bottle works well on my rambunctuous pitbaby: 7-month-old “Evo” — such a scamp!
In the spirit of last thread: Have you all experienced the “Skinhead Hamlet”?:
ACT 1 SCENE 1
Enter HAMLET, followed by GHOST
GHOST: Oi! Mush!
HAMLET: Yer?
GHOST: I was fucked! (Exit Ghost)
HAMLET: O Fuck (Exit Hamlet)
* * * * * *
SCENE III Ophelia’s Bedroom. Enter OPHELIA and LAERTES
LAERTES: I’m fucking off now. Watch Hamlet doesn’t slip you one while I’m gone.
OPHELIA: I’ll be fucked if he does. (Exuent)
SCENE IV The Battlements. Enter HORATIO, HAMLET, and GHOST
GHOST: Oi! Mush, get on with it!
HAMLET: Who did it then?
GHOST: That wanker Claudius. He poured fucking poison in my fucking ear!
HAMLET: Fuck me! (Exuent)
ACT II SCENE I A corridor in the castle. Enter HAMLET reading. Enter POLONIUS.
POLONIUS: Oi! You!
HAMLET: Fuck off grandad! (Exit Polonius. Enter Rosencranz and Guildenstern)
R & G: Oi! Oi! Mucca!
HAMLET: Fuck off, the pair of you! (Exit R & G)
HAMLET (Alone): To fuck or be fucked. (Enter Ophelia)
OPHELIA: My Lord!
HAMLET: Fuck off to a nunnery!
& etc..
http://www.sa.rochester.edu/drama/skinhead.html
New Jane: “Iraq for Sale”
Oscarsmom #221:
I think my couch just fainted.
Jinny – What was Bush talking about re: Fitzgerald?
The question seemed to be pretty clearly about his USAtty position.
But as far as reappointing him as the special prosecutor . . .
He still IS the Special prosecutor.
And I don’t think it is the AG’s choice – he is recused. I be confused.
new thread
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-for-sale/
and your little dog too –
Just popped in for a sec, on my way out to physical therapy, and caught your message.
Honey, considered yourself hugged long and hard. And whenever you think you might want to talk about it, I’m here. I’ll even try to exchange email addresses via our kind hostesses, if you like.
I hate to run now, but I’ll be late otherwise. Will be thinking of you.
if you didn’t click on the pic, zidane, punaise posted at 169, you gotta do it. I laughed out loud.
Is it a fainting couch then, al-Scooter?
Chiming in late on Big Eddie Schultz…yep, there’s a backstory there, and some of us know some slices of it…but then Fargo’s still a small city.
Will take the high road and just observe that the best argument to put to him is that Lamont is to Lieberman as Webb is to Allen. He likes Webb.
illson 46201 ——->208
Allow me share a joke via my college harmony professor…
There are great moments in Wagner’s music….
..every thirty minutes. :)
……seriously. I was on the way to a church gig one sunday morn, and had kusc on for tunes(kickin LA public classical radio). It was a beautiful morning and I tuned in at the begining of the RHINE JOURNEY FROM GTTERDMMERUNG stunning and delightful. I was a few minutes late cuz I just had to listen to every frickin note…
Oscarsmom @ 5:37 pm (#221) – That’s (fucking) hilarious.
Imman is HUGE RIGHT (said with caps, but no pinky).
I was HUGE WRONG (said with pinky caps bc I’m all about the self love *g*)
Hamdan did leave the door open on detentions – but that wasn’t the actual question in front of it, as they were careful to point out.
I’m hoping for just what you said, and that some enterprising person gets the CSRTs redone now, with rules and evidence and stuff without waiting for an 1005(e)(2) appeal to Judge Kavanaugh’s new address.
Mary at 224. We’ve gone over this before, there is no way that Fitz can be removed from the case short of court order. Bush does not to “reappoint” him at all. Frankly, he never has to “reappoint” him as US Attorney, the terms last as long as the President sees fit after appointment — they are not time contingent. Gonzales can’t do it, and I doubt Bush can do it without firing him as a US Attorney. Please God let Bush try….
The question seemed like some winger plant to generate an opportunity for anti-Fitz speculation. Let us watch and learn….
PS Mary (if you are here still) I printed out your comment that day and taped it near my desk for inspiration. :~)
Oscarsmom #228:
But, of course!
Imman – I know what you mean about not having to “reappoint” but I have seen several IL references to Fitzgerald’s “4 year appointment” having expired – they get that from this http://www.law.cornell.edu/usc…..-000-.html
and I’m pretty positive that is what the question was intended to be about,so Bush only needed to say that he didn’t need to reappoint him, even though his initial term was up. IMO. But maybe Bush’s mind was “on other things” than Fitzgerald’s service as USAtty – like maybe his mind was on his brain. *G*
That you were HUGE RIGHT?
You deserve a few more. I was like a battered wife waiting to be smacked all that week and my mood could only have been blacker with something real and tangible in the room with it.
Immanentize is HUGE RIGHT!!!!!!
Re: Tax Returns
JoeL implied that he had released his own tax returns and flat out said Ned Lamont had not. Is this another example of the Lieb Lie tactic? He learned a lot from Cheney…
Keep repeating a lie, again and again; create your own reality; fuck the truth. JoeL’s financial disclosures are at the link below.
NO TAX RETURNS…
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfd…..=N00000616
Mary, more like his “brain” was busy trying to create strategy for Lieberman….
Meanwhile for me, the Supreme Court issued another shitty death penalty case the same day as Hamdan…. So you went up, I went, well up and sideways.
egregious — i so know how you feel. At 6 years old, my grandpa had to drop me off at a Methodist Children’s Home because he was unable to care for all of my brothers and sisters. All my life afterwards, I tried to reassure him that it was Ok, that this was the best, the way it had to be and that he did the right thing. On the day he died, when I was well over 30, the only thing he could say was the he loved me.
Whatever the distance, whatever the circmstances, all that really mattered was that he knew I loved him. Love transcends all things.
little dog–
Many of us are dog people. Tell us your story/heartache. We are there.
uniquely tim–
You have a very loving, understanding, and forgiving heart. What a great blessing.
Egregious,
I feel for ya. Skype is great but my daughter was a Yahoo Instant Messenger regular so when she went away we chatted often that way. It has voice capabilities too if you have mic and speakers or a headset.
Using the mic/speakers, she was able to sing happy birthday with us to her younger brother here (with just a bit of delay from her end) which was pretty cool. Since none of us can sing a lick anyway, it didn’t matter.
MrsK8 and yourlittle dog too@117 & punaise@128
BC@154 and everyone else who added empathy and levity to a difficult (off)topic:
I seem to always be at the bottom of these threads but in case anyone checks back, these comments from everyone who spoke about pets were great.
I lost my boy, Kiki, a 20 year old orange tabby 6 weeks ago. We don’t have kids and this cat WAS my child. I lived with him longer than I lived with my parents.
I won’t drone on but it was a big loss and to have others speak of this kind of loss here is a blessing. Again thanks everyone and I’m certain that providence has led me to this site. And Peterr, if you happen to catch this, I totally think God watchs out for me.
Long Comment on Debate Differences found at DKOS, posted by first time poster marked50 on Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 08:31:06 AM PDT
This is my first post on this website. I have been a viewer for about a year. This may not be a unique observation, since I have not read all of the recent posts on this subject and have had to wait to post this one.
My observation in regards to the Lieberman/Lamont debate last night is simple. One can look at the appeal of Joe Lieberman from a person in Connecticut’s perspective and see someone (Lieberman) who is interested in protecting their job (ie sub base/EB/Senator) and/or their security (terrorism). An incumbent Senator would certainly have an advantage in being able to do this. This is pretty basic and appeals to one’s survival instincts- one that the right wing usually is concerned about and where their appeal usually is. A simple description of their motivation is Fear and Greed. Fear of being harmed by terrorists or losing ones job and the Greed of getting that pork project. Don’t get me wrong about either- since it’s important to survive—but there is something else beyond that. That something beyond is the more abstract concepts of Freedom/Liberty/Altruism that make us human rather than just animals.
It’s fitting that this debate happened around the time of the nations 230th birthday. The founding Fathers rose above concern about simple survival and risked their own lives for an ideal that was not based on Fear and Greed. They sought something beyond that and generated the Declaration of Independence and then our Constitution with its Bill of Rights. Ned Lamont represented that in the debate. He was saying that we need to think beyond our immediate needs or concerns and look beyond ourselves to what our higher valves are and fight for those things. If I was only concerned about my immediate welfare and someone said to me- “You have a choice, either you can have your New London Submarine base job or you can give everyone in the US access to affordable health care” – what do you think I would choose? If I raised myself above my own concerns, I could entertain the possibility of helping others and maybe getting a job somewhere else. I may not get that other job, but didn’t the signers of the Declaration run that risk too (death by hanging for example). My job should stand on it’s own merits anyway- not some political lever. The Lieberman/Lamont debate shows us the path between Fear and Greed and something a bit more noble- Principle- a principle that looks beyond our own survival. This is the true battle at hand.
http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..709/66#c66
Brian Lehrer played some debate excerpts and had open phones on Friday. All the passion was from the Lamont side; Lehrer had to announce that special phone lines would be held for Lieberman supporters-only one Republican phoned in.
America was born a “Liberal” nation. So, let’s return to our roots. Were the Founding Father’s “Conservative?” NO!!! The Tory’s were the conservative’s.
When will the right-winger’s ever learn this?
Republican’s are lemming’s who will follow their leader’s off of a cliff.
Democrat’s are Dolphin’s who work individually and as a team to survive and flourish.
Which are you?
A lemming?
Or a dolphin?
Your choice…
An eagle, with hope that Ned Lamont will rise and lead the way towards a revival of “We The People” with pathways towards a future with “The American Dream” once again reachable…………. for everyone!
HopeSpringsATurtle, and all others who have lost a fourlegs friend of late, I just wanted to say I send good thoughts your way. I’ve lost four cats and a dog over the past two years, and one of them I had lived with longer than I lived with any other creature, twolegs or four. She was quite the princess and not always nice, but I still miss her a great deal.
And Hope, I really feel for you – those ginger cats are so special. I have two, one of whom is just like my baby, and I know when I have to say goodbye to him, I’ll be miserable.