
Did you know that Joe Klein of Newsweek Time magazine is not an employee of the Republican National Committee or a registered Republican voter? It's true! And yet, just days ago, at this very site, I referred to Joe Klein and Cokie Roberts as "two Republican reporters." Try to believe I said it!
On Wednesday, the Daily Howler's Bob Somerby reviewed my July 2 Talking Head Review, and he kicked me to the curb like an unsolicited manuscript concerning the 2000 election. Bob says he's caught me red-handed, pulling the wool over your eyes.
Let me introduce my good friend Bob to the literary device known as comic hyperbole. Here's how it works.
We take a political columnist who is well-known for fact-free and unsubtle diatribes against Democratic pols and the Democratic Party. One who says things such as the following:
Such sobriety seems beyond the reach of most Democrats. They make fools of themselves even when they speak the truth.
And this:
He [Peter Beinart] is not afflicted by the excesses, delusions, indulgences or grandiosity of the current leaders of the Democratic Party.
...the "progressive" reluctance to acknowledge the possibility of the judicious use of American power, even when the world supports it (as the United Nations did during the first gulf war), has crippled the Democratic Party's credibility on matters of national security in perpetuity.
And even this:
[Al Gore] is a smug, stubborn, and aloof human being. He will clutter the race in 2004, suck money from other candidates, force some interesting possibilities from the field, run another awkward, tired faux-populist campaign and, if nominated, he will lose, more decisively this time, to George W. Bush.
And, based upon the man's own words (which are well-known to the supposedly gullible readers of this site), we label Klein a Republican. Amusing, no?
Somerby says: It's bad to characterize Klein as a Republican because he sometimes says things critical of the Republican Party in general or specific Republicans in particular.
I say: When you become a serial purveyor of fraudlent talking points concerning Democrats which are indistingiushable from Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman's Greatest Fundraising Speeches, you deserve ridicule. And that includes the insult you earn from the content of your running commentary: Republican.
Oh, sure, I could have accused JoeK of having "Millionaire Pundit Values" or of "typing up scripts." I could have called him a "fake," or a "celebrity." Indeed, I could point out that JoeK "want[s] to trash major Democrats only," and then express the most profound bewilderment as to Joe's possible motive for doing so.
Instead, I called him a Republican. I did it my way.
The other charge of misinformation on the Somerby bill of particulars involves Wall Street Journal national politics editor John Harwood. Somerby assures us -- in italics -- that John "isn't a 'rightwinger,'" as I asserted. He fails, however, to make a meticulous case for that proposition, so we'll just have to take his word for it.
Or we could consider one of Harwood's own recent statements, such as this one from February in which he identifies his favorite blogs:
My favorite and most frequent destination is realclearpolitics.com, which has a great collection of current polling data and links to smart commentators. I like Marshall Wittmann’s blog, bullmoose.blogger.blogspot.com. I tend to visit blogs not at a set time but rather because I’ve heard of something especially there or I want to sample activist reaction to a specific political development. Those include redstate, instapundit, huffingtonpost and dailykos. (Emphasis added.)
Harwood identifies two personal favorites, Real Clear Politics and The Bull Moose Blog.
Real Clear Politics links to a wide variety of sites and oped pieces, but claims very few commentators as its own. Those would include John Stossel, John Leo, Thomas Sowell, Michael Barone, Larry Kudlow, Jed Babbin, V.D. Hanson.... Beginning to notice a pattern?
Need more clear proof as to RCP's real politics? Ask Real Clear Politics' own readers, if you can get them to stop prattling on about the "sick" and "twisted" supporters of reproductive rights, the insanity of marriage equality, and those "parasit[ic]" victims of Hurricane Katrina. What's not for a wingnut to love?
And then there's The Moose. What comes to mind when you think of The Hudson Institute, The Heritage Foundation, The Christian Coalition and an "unofficial DLC blog" championing the candidacy of John McCain? What exactly does John Harwood like so much about the Bull Moose Blog -- the daily single post portraying liberals as traitors, appeasers, nuts and Jew-haters -- or -- the pretty pictures of Teddy Roosevelt and a red and blue moose at the top?
I don't see how I ever got the idea that Harwood is a right-winger. Many folks endorse as their "favorites" those political websites which espouse views directly opposite to their own. No, Harwood isn't a right-winger; he's a certified wingnut.
As for Somerby's assertion that "you were told [by me] that it was too odious to discuss what was said on this program [meaning This Week] because it was all so Republican-scripted," it just ain't true. What I did tell you was that it was a beautiful day, one too nice to spend too much time typing up G.O.P. talking points. And, yes, in referring to "the panels," I was referring to not only This Week, but also Meet the Press and Fox News Sunday, which featured the talking points of long-standing G.O.P. partisans Bill Bennett, Bill Safire and Bill Kristol (not to mention rightwingers Brit Hume and John Harwood). Including Fred Thompson on This Week, that's four indisputably affiliated and employed Republicans to zero Dems. Sorry, Bob, but I prefer self-pity to self-delusion.
Tomorrow: I emit low, mordant chuckles.
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Can’t wait for your low, mordant chuckle.
Bob doesn’t have much of a sense of humor, does he? Could he be a Republican, too?
You go, Roger Ailes The Good. Bob Somerby is a relic; he peformed a usual function about three years ago (in blog terms, that’s 21 years ago, you know) when he and the much missed Horse at Media Whores Online were pretty much the only game in town, but his act is SOOOOOOOO tired. I stopped reading his crap because I got bored to tears with being poked with a sharp stick about his obsessions in almost every post. “Gore 2000! Rubes! I’ll tell you what they’re spinning even though you can figure it out for yourself in 10 seconds!” etc.
And great snark about *shudder* the low mordant chuckles *shudder*
Chill it radlib. I don’t think you’ve ever read Somerby’s site. Roger Ailes makes a great number of excellent points and his parody is hilarious. But Somerby does have a sense of humor and he isn’t a ‘Republican’ in the sense you seeem to be conveying.
If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck….you can bet the farm, its a duck!
Bob suffers from Diogenes Syndrome
he’s been lifting that lamp, looking for an honest pundit for so long, that Bob has temporarily left the planet
cheer up dude, you got home planet advantage on this fight
interesting, at least for me, that josh has bullmoose down as an approved site. i know hes been there for years.
but recently ive noticed that josh has been leaning against joe l. — that should mean something, right?
bullmoose does tend towards dropping the hammer rather quickly.
josh should reconsider the approval of his site, maybe…
Joe Klein makes me wince everytime he opens his big fat maw and spews forth whatever his latest “wisdom” is. I usually treat his missives the same way I treat Horrorwitz’s witless scribblings, with bewilderment and deep sympathy for his family. If writing talent was measured in water carried in the desert, Klein’s would fit inside a thimble.
Funny post, but I guess I don’t read the Howler enough to get all the parody points. But as for Klein, please. If you think “Democrat” means what most democrats think on most issues, then Klein ain’t one. Klein has said so himself is no uncertain terms, in English, to audiences and on TV and stuff. He sees himself has beeing abandoned by the Dem party that has supposedly charged senselessly to the left, and the Democrats are now so retro socialist industrial age Luddites as to support such dingbat ideas as (get this, yuk yuk) social security. What more do you need? Nice that Klein has started being more objective, balanced and even slightly fact based in the last two weeks or so. Congrats to Klein for some progress. May he continue his journey towards including reasons based on logic and facts in his work. Great move, and I saw that sincerely. But that won’t make him a representative Democrat. What is so hard about that? They guy says he ain’t a representative Demcrat, it is consistent with what he writes and says, so… he aint a representative moderate conservative or anything leftward Democrat. Might be registered that way, but so what? Am I missing something here?
katymine #5 said what I was trying to say in #9 in one tenth the space.
….some trickery going on in the last thread…like a mug of DeLay coming up…anyone know where newtonusr, neuro and suzanne are? guess I’ll just trudge up the hill…
From what I have read of the Howler, I think it sometimes succumbs to rampaging kneejerk balance-itis. Usually when I’ve read him dinging liberals or Dems, he makes good points. Sometimes it looks like he’s doing it because the recent score seems too lopsided and he needs to even it up and ring up some superficial balance cred. Once in awhile he gets so off target he even approaches Kaus territory. This might be one of those whiles.
Using Somerby’s, we shouldn’t call Leaverman a Dem because he sometimes critical of the Dem Party in general or specific Dems in particular
make that Using Somerby’s reasoning…
SPaws
The DeLay pic f’ed up the thread. Apologies to darkblack if I’m wrong.
Suzanne #13: yes, absolutely. And say you got a relative who used to vote Democratic but, for the last 10 years, has been repeatedly spouting fantastical, incoherent, fact and logic fee (even perhps somehwat impressionistic, perhaps a wee heated, possibly tendentious and slanted, and not so subliminally contemptuous) rants about looney leftwing Democrats who hate America and all it does in the world. There’s a Democrat too -they are so easy to spot. Probably ought to write a Democratic viewpoint column in the local paper. For balance. Yep, I agree 100%. you are correct. (preceding is snark)
But #13 saying that if Klein is a good representative Dem, the Lieberman is too, well, that is better and shorter and more to the point snark.
newtonusr: how does that happen? seemed like a cruel joke to get us off the thread…
Somerby’s stuff is generally terrific. However, I do think that he gets a little pompous at times, and indulges in the wilfil mischaracterisation that he specialises in skewering when the MSM does it. At this point, I’ll repeat that the vast majority of his material, which I read regularly is excellent.
Let’s try not to fight among ourselves too much.
spider, it looks like darkblack didn’t close out his hyperlink. a more common occurance is the unclosed out italics.
Bob Somerby, while useful, has a shtick that is getting tiring. He also occasionally goes off with cranky opinions about Democrats for slight offences.
I agree with your opinions about the general case of the media characters on the shows. That said, Bob did make a valid point that the Bush administration came in for some major drubbing from these generally pro-Bush pundits, information which was lacking in your report.
Deadly Shoe — it was a joke. I used to read Somerby until his rants got too boring. But he wouldn’t get the joke, either.
spiderpaws
I’m no html expert, but the code looked funky-I was able to see the source-link left open.
Yeah, just when the Ailes post came up; interesting collection up top…
Hmmm… My previous has vanished into the ether.
Somerby is an excellent analyst. However, I do agree that sometimes he can be a bit pompous and indulge in the same mischaracterising that he criticises the MSM for.
Still, I enjoy reading his stuff. Let’s not fight among ourselves too much.
…well I hope it wasn’t me…OT here but back to the light pollution issue…what about the road that goes east from half moon bay - 92 is it? It’s either stars or jobs in this state…
Wow the super late night thread
Thanks for coming by, Roger. We had a Somerby shill in here on Wednesday who kept insisting that Jane and/or Christy drop everything they were doing in order to justify your piece or refute Somerby’s charges. Various members of the community (including the goddesses themselves) told the shill to take a hike, which eventually he, she or it did. Tiresome while it lasted, though. I don’t read Somerby and have no sense of where he’s coming from, but if he doen’t get snark, he needs a humor transplant. Maybe there’s a waiting list somewhere he can get on. And with that, it’s bedtime. G’night, y’all.
spiderpaws @ 24
wasn’t you.
92 is how I get over the hill to HMB. HWY 1 suffered a major slide - guess where - Devils Slide. Been closed for months, so north of Montara, you’re screwed. Everybody who needs to get to Pacifica, Daly City, San Francisco has to trudge down 1 to 92 east to 280 north. It’s a mess.
Oh, yeah - light pollution-
HMB is good, but lots of spray - not good for scope or bino’s. Peninsula is so overdeveloped that you gotta go a ways to escape the pollution.
Thanks, newtonusr.
Previous thread should be functional again…My apologies.
Worth it. A little late night adventure. Love the pic.
thinking about #13: Lieberman and Klein do have some other things in common, which are that they make no sense and what they say does not connect well with reality. I read Lieberman’s letter explaining his decisions regarding running. He says he (unlike other people) look to the future. Yeah, right, that’s a hoot. Like three more years is Iraq with not plan or policy is looking to the future (three more years, in order too… with the intention of… with the plan and or goal being…. exactly what, Joe? Pass off the whole mess to the next chump in office, maybe?). And then I like his ‘permanent bases in Iraq’ lines. Like, its just a natural thing that we very knowing sophisticated CW power types would understand. Perfectly natural to have buncha mega bases in Iraq, which is such an obvious ally just they way, say Britain or South Korea are. I mean what’s the deal? (um… like similar bases were such a natural so-what no big deal thingee in Saudi Arabia, right?). It’s like they figure they can just say stuff and no one will bother to think for even a second.
But then, we are unqualified rubes who can’t think at the rarified level of Bush and Klein and Lieberman and Cheney, so I guess that is the assumption he is going on. The future, what a concept in that guy’s hands, it’s just so meaningful for us all.
Funny how the idea of a gulag of huge airbases in Iraq for staging, and from which poor troops will sally forth to shoot and get shot at is mentioned now and its no big deal. How did that happen? And I don’t think I am being disprespectful to the troops by calling it a gulag. How will it feel to be a serviceman who sits in those things five years from now, going out dangerous patrols periodically, and for what? I guess there have been so many BushCo rationales and plans of the minutes, that no one even pretends to bother with discussion of why and how. The powers that be have let be known to their mouthpieces (for example, Lieberman) that, yep, permanent bases. The reaction: “Yeah, whatever.”
I threw a cyberdart at Somerby’s archives to see what “iterations of familiar tales” the not-so-famous friend of Al would lay bare on any given day. I swear I closed my eyes and clicked and…
Amazing, isnt it? No, Gore never said he invented the Internet; that was a treasured press corps invention. But the clowning clowns of your Washington press corps never abandon their clowning clownistry. They declared their war, and its war without end. We know–you feel you should like Clarence Page. Those feelings are just what they hope for.
Bob Somerby
alright… who woke the old man up…
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz….
back to sleep bob…
On my second dart toss, I nailed the bullseye.
The very first line from his Dec 9, 2004 entry:
We couldnt restrain our mordant chuckles when we read the Times front page this morning.
#33: I wanta a tap of you doing that, you gotta be cheating. You blindfolded? I want a video of you picking those.
Somerby opened my eyes during the 2000 election to the unbelievably biased reporting of the MSM. For that I will always be grateful. But I do think that he is too shrill at times.
It’s one thing to bash a MSM member where there’s almost no chance of engaging in meaningful dialogue. But bashing bloggers, especially left-wing bloggers, does not seem to me to be the best approach for honest debate. I am biased, but I do believe that progressives (especially in the blogosphere) are the most open-minded people that you will find in the political landscape.
Somerby is truly a sad case. His fury at being overlooked while so many others are treated as Internet Gods has warped his sensibilities no end. Now he’s defending Joe Klein? Can someone take him behind the barn and put him out of his misery? It’s the only humane thing to do…
Mommybrain if you’re here on this thread, regarding your question about subdividing North America, there was a book published in the mid-eighties (if I remember correctly) I went to the basement but couldn’t find it down there, it might still be in storage, that covered just that topic. It showed the regional divisions of the US that could, if aggravated further, lead to a break up of the country. There was the East coast, down to a little south of DC, and up to the Atlantic Provinces, an isolated Quebec, a rustbelt grouping, a biblebelt grouping, a midwest-ish up to Calgary grouping, a Texas-mexico border states region, and so on.
I’m still rummaging around for the book, but well, it may be impossible. I *thought* the title was something like “The Seven nations of north america” but I’m getting nothing from Amazon on that one.
MAN where/how does fdl get such lol graphics perfection every time, day in day out. Even if this blog totally sucked wordwise, it would still deserve an oscar every day for the pix.
Thank you Roger for absolutely nailing my own thoughts on Somerby so well. Some time ago he was essential reading, but that time is long past. I will always appreciate the great things his Howler has done in its lonely heyday, we all have learned from him, I definitely believe his efforts helped inspire and give rise to the kickass hamshers and digbys of today, and he will always have a place of honor in my heart. But I too haven’t read him for years now. The average fdl commenter including myself is way past him.
And ditto the Horse’s unforgettable shining brilliance. Who can forget when Horse and Bob were largely the only thing out there.
And Joke Line - beautiful stunning examples. Unlike Somerby, this total worthless asshole’s utter bullshit needs to be ridiculed to oblivion and ground to dust. Any breathing human who has witnessed six years of bush cheney junta and is still stuck in self-satisfied political Monicaville is simply a retarded and unamerican piece of total weirdass flotsam. Shame on Time magazine, but we knew that.
Good morning!
So, satire equals lying. Got it. What does that make irony?
With ya, Sharkbabe. Bailed on the DH yonks ago.
Klein is to Democrats what Lieberman is to Democrats.
Good morning, tommy and all! Howya doon?
Hiya lotus!
I’m just fine. Hope you are.
Fixin’ to go for my walk.
Sharkie, you still here?
Check out http://www.courant.com.
Seems to me the debate proved one thing: THE issue in CT is NOT Iraq but what a yutz, putz, and schlemiel is Joe Lieberman!
Yes, tommy, I’m fine — fixin’ to be finer when my pot of Irish Breakfast finishes brewing. Enjoy your walk!
Shoot — posted this on the wrong thread.
HCourant’s Who Won? poll currently at 109 responses.
Lieberman 33%
Lamont 46.8%
Draw 6.4%
Didn’t watch 13.8%
scuse moi, i said time magazine, meant to say the fuck time magazine.
(really find “the fuck” so useful/mental health promoting in front of things everywhere, picked up the usage from my total femme girly bandmate whose also sublimely inspiringly artistic use of “motherfucker” made me stop hating and embrace that term also)
hi lotus! woke up freaky early, came here & read roger, went out & ran, gonna lay back down for an hour & get normal maybe for the day. off work which helps :)
Cokie Roberts would have to do a weeping novena and beg our forgiveness on national teevee for me to even consider listening to her drone again.
She took every opportunity to spew lies about Al Gore on ABC and NPR during the 2000 campaign
and was aglow like a new bride the morning after the SCOTUS presented the keys to the world to Fatman and Robin (I’m trying to be nice here).
After the 2000 election I saw Peter Jennings ask her about all the untrue things she said about Gore, she chuckled and said she was just joking.
Am heartened at ned debate polls. We’re all intensely watching/donating/screaming etc, but CT voters are all that counts in the end.
[ Moderator: this might be the real Patton considering the IP address belongs to a military base near Washington, DC — if it’s the NSA : you guys are supposed to listen, not join the chitchat! ]
Is this also ‘comic hyperbole’?
http://www.newhavenindependent.....poodle.php
Was that really you burning up the roads at 90 MPH, breaking our laws, not to mention endangering the citizens of Connecticut?
90 MPH and on a cell phone, and with loose animals? Is this really what we are to expect from Lamont supporters?
Sounds like you are quite reckless, uncaring and uninterested in following the laws the people of Connnecticut pass to insure the safety of our children.
Not to mention how much more gas you wasted doing 90 Mph, instead of the legal speed limit.
If you had any integrity, you would show up at the nearest police station, admit your guilt and pay the appropriate fines and penalties.
The Lamont campaign should be ashamed of your actions and repudiate such lawlessness.
IP: 131.6.84.67
Langley Air Force Base
RTechHandle: MB385-ARIN
RTechName: Bernard, Mark
RTechPhone: +1-757-764-7625
RTechEmail: MARK.BERNARD@langley.af.mil
OrgTechHandle: DJW11-ARIN
OrgTechName: Weaver, Dave J
OrgTechPhone: +1-757-225-2652
OrgTechEmail: DAVE.WEAVER@acc.af.mil
If you had any integrity, you would show up at the nearest police station, admit your guilt and pay the appropriate fines and penalties.
The Lamont campaign should be ashamed of your actions and repudiate such lawlessness.
Is that you, Joe?
I hope we’re not tipping those local polls — that’s a double-edged sword of the Net. Are we misleading our own selves? That said, I hope the Nutmeggers DID see what we saw: a selfish, nasty, politically-moribund ol’ voter-fucker vs.
a non-litigator Mr. Smith on his way to Washington.
Patton, Jane is not part of the Lamont campaign. She’s 100% ours. Go soak your head.
nancy 48, i would sooner be groped on a dance floor by hot handsome war hero dick cheney than have my ears endure a single syllable out of Cokewhore’s decadent worthless clueless insulting mouth. Just sayin…
I agree with the bulk of the commenters, although I still do read DH from time to time. He has an absolutely valid point to make about the 2000 election that our side needs to learn from. That said, it is also true that the sky is blue, but we don’t need a daily howling to remind us of that. One trick ponies are not much fun to ride.
And the Envy doesn’t become Somerby either, that’s for certain.
Here’s WaPo’s transcript of the debate, showing some but far from all of JoHo’s interruptions. As I said last night, no question who looks better in print, but boy does Ned need more’n'better TV-prep . . .
[ Moderator: another comment from that military IP address — the DoD might not approve of the involvement in domestic politics. ]
“”Patton, Jane is not part of the Lamont campaign. She’s 100% ours. Go soak your head. “”
Never said she was…why don’t you respond to the actual charges alleged in the article instead of changing the subject?
Was she breaking the law?
Was she at all concerned about hurting someone?
Was she on a cell phone doing 90 MPH? Maybe that is appropriate in a movie, but no on the roads where we take our kids everyday.
Why does she think she is special and deserves to act like this in Connecticut?
Why no apology for endangering our citizens?
These are not difficult questions.
Ned Lamont links to her site and to this article so apparently he believes she is representative of his supporters.
IP: 131.6.84.67
Langley Air Force Base
RTechHandle: MB385-ARIN
RTechName: Bernard, Mark
RTechPhone: +1-757-764-7625
RTechEmail: MARK.BERNARD@langley.af.mil
OrgTechHandle: DJW11-ARIN
OrgTechName: Weaver, Dave J
OrgTechPhone: +1-757-225-2652
OrgTechEmail: DAVE.WEAVER@acc.af.mil
folks: go back and notice the moderator’s note on comment 51
Mommybrain, if you’re here, I found the book I was thinking of, after great digging and a little cursing. I’ve emerged victorious from the basement. It was, logically, filed with the weaving and Japanese History books (yes, they do go together in my world) The Nine Nations of North America and there’s something like 56 books, more recently published, that reference it.
I use to read the Howler, daily. Haven’t done so in years. Thank you to the good Roger Ailes for reminding me why. BTW, this post is Hillaryous.
Somerby is always worth reading. He’s never tried to be entertaining or fun.
He made some valid points about Klein that Roger didn’t respond to. I don’t especially like Klein, but as Somerby pointed out, you miss a lot if you cherry-pick the stuff you disagree with.
“Shrill”? Somerby is “shrill”? Omigod!
When Somerby slaps someone down, he’s not always right, but he really deserves to be listened to. He’s caught the young folk at TAPPED a number of times, and I think that he was mostly right there. In the present atmosphere, when journalists start getting collegial and civil, it’s always bad.
Also of possible interest to other FireDogs
a book from 1984 Roots to Power: A Manual for Grassroots Organizing
and
Joe Klein is as much a Democrat as I am a ballet dancer.
(please don’t ask me to describe the extent to which I’m *not* a ballet dancer).
Dang, where’d the last “and” come from? *preview is my friend, preview is my friend, preview is my friend*
Bob Somerby is a bitter, humorless zealot. But he’s a bitter, humorless zealot on our side.
Why are all of you deliberately missing Bob’s point and making childlike ad hominems towards him, many of which admit they have never read his site?!?!
Quite frankly, his point –which is correct — is that the piece that FDL uses to presumably summarize the news shows was not only not funny, but also ridiculously innaccurate. The venom of the response on this board proves he was correct.
How do you people want to challenge the Republicans? Fairly and honestly with humor that is actually funny, or by doing what they do making childish non-serious remarks that persuade no one, inform no one and provide fodder for the opposition.
This Ailes piece was horrible, admit it people and saying so does not make me a troll for Summerby. Remember everyone he has been doing media criticism since most of you were still sh*tting yellow. His criticisms are necessary and quite frankly, right on the mark. I have been very disappointed with the new regular commenters on this site it used to be something that was interesting and informative with every post, now I have to wade through all of the pap to get to Christy’s and Jane’s stuff.
Somerby was right people, and the irrationality and failure to address his main commnet — that klien spouted nothing but Democratic talking points the entire show — was right on the money. Hey Roger, get a spine and grow up, Somerby was right, your post s*cked and was not worthy of this site. (I’d actually make a reasoned case for the above, but why since the commenters above didn’t even read Bob’s critique) Funny how the same people who would mercilessly bash a Democrat Seantorial candidate and the party’s last VP nominee would get all indignant about Somerby doing the same thing to some unknown shill who is trolling for relavance off of Jane’s work.
Sincerely,
Chris G.
Good morning all,
Hey Patton, I’ve driven 90 miles per hour on the highway in the following States:
Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Sourth Carolina, California, Oregon, Ohio, Michigan, Washington, Louisiana, CERTAINLY Florida, Georgia, and a few more I am sure I missed
I have driven 90 miles per hour in the following countries.
Germany, France, England, Belgium, Austria, Slovenia, The Czech Republic, Italy, India, Isreal, Egypt and perhaps some others as well….
I apologize.
Now go slap some war damaged kid in the face.
Uh oh, Chris @ 67. Like the shine on an undercover agent’s shoes, you gave yourself away by substituting “Democrat” for “Democratic.” It’s pure winger. We know: Joe’s your kind of guy.
And, no, please don’t come back and say you’ve always been an independent. That dog won’t hunt.
While you’re at it, don’t come back and talk about how I’m refusing to address substantive issues you’ve raised. Straw men don’t fight back.
It’s cool to be who you are without pretending to be someone else. Unfetter your winger wings and let them take flight!
“Somerby is truly a sad case. His fury at being overlooked while so many others are treated as Internet Gods has warped his sensibilities no end. Now he’s defending Joe Klein? Can someone take him behind the barn and put him out of his misery? It’s the only humane thing to do…”
Somerby was NOT defending Klien! He was defending ACCURACY. Go to the HOWLER type Klien in the search engine, and show me even one post were he DEFENDS Klien. No one has been as critical as Somerby on Klien, none of you have!! And now you get your pants all wet when Bob simply tries to get you all to keep your eyes on the ball.
No one on this site has done more to challenge the MSM and poorly performing Dem spokespeople than Somerby, to distance him because he expects more from this site is imprudent.
Oh,..and by the way,…The Horse, spent most of it’s time bashing Ralph Nader,…how did that work out for them?
Sincerely,
Chris G.
By the way, does anyone have any links to good inside-Connecticut comment in the papers about the debate? I am interested in how it plays in-state.
Hey Tommy Yum — it’s now me at 67, guess Chris took your advice :~)
www.courant.com has the definitive Establishment Media take on the Debate
tommy yum,
This isn’t about me or you trying to lea leaf a typo. It’s about Somerby being unfairly and childishly criticized.
I’d be more than happy to address any of the points in Ailes post or reply.
(by the way I am new to these posts, as a science teacher and grad student I simply don’t have the time to respond to everything I read)
Yes I am an independant and a nader supporter, but marginalizing people by labeling them so you can ignore them is no way to persuade people to see things your way.
I am not a Joe supporter dude and the fact you would even predict something like that because of a singular post shows an ability to read minds I am just not familiar with.
Oh,…hey tell me what it means that I don’t always use capitals in the right place….does that mean I am for Rick Santorum?
Sincerely
Chris G.
simply enjoying a day off work for once, so please cool your paranoia jets everyone, I’m a Dean/Clark Dem, who like many of you can’t believe where the Dems are going and want to get them back on track)
immanentize
I do have some time today to respond to my post above if you have anything to add, i’d be glad to respond. But again, this is not about me, you or our pets, presumably we are all hear to have some fun, be informed and move the ball forward for the politicians and ideas we support. I will never get personal on this site, i wish others above could do the same.
Chris G
Good morning, imm!
Hmm, seems I stepped to the kitchen just in time to miss some prime troll-rolling. Nice work, *ilson, imm and tommy.
Don’t miss that “Quotes” page in the Courant (not that anyone here would). JoHo continues to lose ground in their poll — now down to 30.6% vs. Ned’s 47.9%.
Sharkbabe 55
Yuck, what a mental picture! Now that you bring it up, cheney looks like the type who thinks grope = sex. C-word Roberts probably thinks that, too.
Heh.. I noticed you did not even “touch” Cokie Roberts. Good move. I almost punched the radio every time she came on NPR.
jayt says
July 7th, 2006 at 4:48 am
“Joe Klein is as much a Democrat as I am a ballet dancer.”
Please read Somerby’s piece. He did not say Klien was a Democrat. He said Ailes calling Klien a Republican — whether to be funny or not — was simply contradicted by what Klien said during the entire show. Somerby even points out all of the Dem talking points Klien delivered.
Sincerely
Chris G.
OT - why no raise in terror alert level? There was an alleged plot uncovered to bomb tunnels in NYC according to CNNtv… Oh wait, we aren’t close enough to the election to raise the terror threat level. my bad.
I read the Courant article about the debate and wow, I really do miss real objective journalism. The article was good, fair I thought, and written straight up. Not leaning in any direction that I could see. Being for Lamont so strongly I was hoping for a little more positive, but that would be my bias.
WHOA — “Didn’t watch” just bounded into a wide lead in the Courant’s poll, at 61.4% (713 responses), reducing Joe to 14 and Ned to 22.5 (163 to 261).
Somerby=irrelevant
NEXT!…….LMAO
Rayne? Where, *ilson?
Rayne is live on last nights post
I actually enjoy Sommerby’s dissections — but then, I’m a nitpicky, detail sort of person. And I do think that his piece on Peter Daou’s review of Lapdogs was excellent, and brought out some points that I had glossed over in my read of it. (And I participated in the discussion!) Although, I must say, knowing John Harwood’s favorite blogs does clear up several nagging questions…
Good morning, CHS!
Morning Tommy — am working on the next article. :) How is everyone this morning? I’m in need of much more coffee…lol (So what else is new? *g*)
Hi there, Christy. Hope that coffee is all you need to feel grrrrreat this ay-em. I gotta scoot to my annual date with the gyno in a bit, hoping not to be deprived of Ned-on-the-radio thereby.
I’m a happy camper. It’s a beautiful morning–a cold front has reduced the bombast–and I got to kick a concern troll to the curb.
Plus plenty of good coffee and company.
G’morn Redd — please throw some Hamster Chow to the poor little critters running in the wheel that powers the servers here — the site seems a tad pokey this morning — perhaps it needs some more coffee too ?
Christy,
As a first time poster to this site, do you countenance post number 69? Is this the way new posters to this site are regularly written to? On many sites personal attacks are deleted and the posters are in some way admonished. Not so here? Here they get a warm Hello?
Sincerely,
Chris G.
Jokeline=Time, yes? We wouldn’t want to insult Newsweek….
Speaking of, Fineman on Imus this morning: Lie-berman in trouble. Looked desperate. Uncharacteristic attack poodle.
Leave it to the real attack poodles, Joey. Props to Kobe and Jane and the clan.
Still wow-sing from the debate [which my husband turned on with absolutely no prompting at all, yay him]. Ned-a-licious.
Ahbedarn, PS — Fineman too, huh? Kewl. Po’ JoHo.
Morning, all…
Just checking in before I make a more serious effort to look like I’m working ;-) .
Somerby is a true hero, no doubt. I e-mailed him once about Maureen Dowd, and he was nice enough to write back. But sometimes (and more and more often, it seemed to me) he just got a bug up his ass about completely irrelevant stuff. He had some kind of hard-on for Joe Wilson that I could never figure out; something along the lines of, “His motives aren’t pure! Democrats should be careful about associating with him!! If you squint real hard, 5% of the things he says aren’t always 100% consistent!!”
Never mind the 95% of the stuff Wilson was DEAD RIGHT about, the same stuff that the Bushistas and 95% of the media were *wrong* about. It was right about then that the whole Somerby shtik got real old, for me.
I love the Daily Howler. I dont think his point was that Joe Klien is a great democrat. I think his point was that the discussion that happened on This Week was important and should not just be dismissed as “more republican blather from a lapdog talking head”. He was saying that there was a rather sharp and substantive critique of the administration that happened on Sunday. That does not mean Klien is a fine and upstanding liberal. It just means that his lapdogishness aside, the content of the discussion on This Week was good and solid and seemed to address the administrations Nazi like intimidation tactics.
Wow, Chris went away after telling teacher. I was just about to administer a dope slap.
Bob doesn’t have much of a sense of humor, does he? Could he be a Republican, too?
Somerby is a brilliant stand up comedian. He act is nothing like The Daily Howler, not political at all. I have seen it twice and I recommend it highly.
Lefty blogosphere owes Somerby a great deal. He kept many of us saine during the impeachment and 2000 election.
I think he got a bee in his bonnet in the last few years, dunno why. I read his site almost every day, not as funny as it used to be, but still well worth reading. Check out his work on education, he is doing to education spin what he did to celebrity press corps.
lotus: That Courant article you gave a link to has a poll. Disturbing numbers. 56% did not watch the debate. How wierd is that. 56% of the people who cared enough to view the story didn’t care enough to watch it. Methinks Lieberman’s got a bank full of computeys.
Ha! I get JoeK(s).
G’ mornin’, Christy and all. Happy Friday.
Now off for more coffee.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....php#008954
Somebody looking for me? ;-)
Morning, gang. Second cuppa’ up now. Using the BIG mug, too.
Not much on news.google.com com yet about the Lieberman debacle. Does that mean the VRWC is trying to ignore or gloss over the mess?
both the wives of Joe and Ned are blond … if one would turn up missing for 5 minutes, it’d be a non-stop MediaFest !
No, I think the reporters are busy trying to find out when the Ken Lay wake will be…
Here lies Lay.
He lied to the lay people.
Kennyboy’s passing is Clinton’s fault:
http://www.aspendailynews.com/article_14820
If someone finds Somerby irrelevant… maybe the solution is to not read him? Most of the people here probably don’t trust the MSM farther than they can throw them. So their time is better spent looking at the jillion other blogs available.
But there are still some people who believe what the read in print as gospel truth, and I don’t know anyone else who has staked out Somerby’s particular piece of turf. Perhaps Accuracy in Media comes close, but it is pretty bland reading and too often whiney in tone, I think. Somerby may repeat himself by focusing too much on Gore and his mistreatment by the media in 2000, but there are significant numbers of voters now who were twelve years old then, and Americans have short attention spans.
I don’t read Somerby often, primarily because there’s no mechanism for reader comments there. If there was, perhaps Roger could have taken his complaint private. Responding to Somerby here doesn’t refute what he said there, except for those who read both. I read Bilmon less often now, because there’s no dialogue on his site, either.
This post actually sent me back to Somerby to see what was going on there. The post today is angry, (isn’t it always?), thoroughly analytical, and more or less humorless. While he does mention Gore, claiming that Norah O’Donnell and Hilary O’Donnel misconstrued a Gore statement of non-involvement in the Connecticut Primary into a “hope” that Lieberman wins it, this doesn’t constitute the major content.