Comments on: Post-Debate Moments

By: midwestvoter

midwestvoter — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:37:14 +0000

I have to say I was surprised by Joe’s public tantrum. I had expected a more professional presentation. He came off as whiney, childish, angry and entitled. Every time he interrupted Ned he sunk further into GOP tactics-ville. Ned on the other had showed he cannot be intimidated with insults, name calling and high school cheap shots. Just what the American public needs to stand up to Jr and his cronies. When Ned said he will hold Jr and his buddies accountable- I BELIEVE HIM.

By: Boudica

Boudica — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:27:10 +0000

Watching Joe use Republican debate tactics was somewhat puzzling, until the realization struck that he isn’t actually going for the Democratic Primary. No, he’s conceded that and is actually working on his Independent candidacy. It is impossible to square his performance with an affiliation to the Democratic party….saying and doing are two different things. Too many discordant signals…… he either isn’t self aware or thinks he can pull the wool over the voters’ eyes. If it’s the latter he’s really miscalculated.

By: Bargain Countertenor

Bargain Countertenor — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:07:08 +0000

I’m late on the thread (okay, way late).

Mrs. BC and I watched the debate on CSPAN and scored it about the same. Lieberman won on debating points, but looked bad doing it.

Lamont’s inexperience with the media showed in many ways. It’s not clear that it was a disadvantage to a candidate running as an outsider.

Holy Joe’s body language and demeanor were arrogant. It was as if he begrudged everything about the process. His failure to thank Lamont in his opening statement was a big mistake. Courtesy costs nothing and always pays dividends.

If it were a five round fight scored on a 10 point must system, I scored the first round (opening statements) to Lamont 10-8, the second round (Moderator questions) to HoJo 8-10, the third round (citizen questions, very badly produced IMO) even 10-10, fourth round (Candidate question) to HoJo 7-10, and the fifth round (Closers) to Lamont 10-9. So HoJo wins on my card, 45-47.

Lieberman won the debate based on the red-herring issue of Lamont’s tax returns. Unlike some other FDLers, I thought Lamont’s response was weak. He didn’t seem prepared on the issue and appeared a little flustered. Given that HoJo had released his returns, Lamont should have prepared for that attack. Mrs BC’s immediate response was, “What’s he hiding? That looks really bad.”

She was also unhappy with Lamont’s failure to cite specific actions. She felt he spoke in vague generalities and it made him appear to not know what he wants to do if elected.

So all in all, I chalk this up as a win for Lamont. He didn’t have to win the debate portion (though it would have been nice if he had), like the Preznit v. Gore, he only had to look like a reasonable alternative. He did much better than Bush did against Gore in 2000.

If I were a CT Democrat voter now, I’d be triangulating and trying to figure out which candidate can hold the seat in November and provide coattails long enough to pull in a couple of the D candidates running for R-held House seats. I don’t know the lay of the political land in CT well enough to figure that one out.

By: drowsy

drowsy — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:06:52 +0000

I hate to say it. But since Lieberman’s attacks were pretty easy to predict, I wish Lamont was better coached.

TV viewers would have no idea how scared Joe is. And Ned should have drilled Joe on how Joe’s fear makes Joe drive in both lanes. That is more important to voters than not whether or not he is a Party hack.

By: mui

mui — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:30:14 +0000

katgw (180). That was a hilarious sigh of relief. If I remember correctly a commercial was launched just as Joe was having a hot under the collar moment. Maybe the technicians were all getting nervous too.

By: Rayne

Rayne — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:27:42 +0000

Agh. It just occurred to me that another domain should be purchased and redirected: thereyougoagain.com — repointed to Lieberman’s site.

By: mui

mui — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:25:40 +0000

I am just glad that Lamont was able to bring up a lot of issues that are important to CT voters, such as jobs going overseas, etc. Lieberman was aggressive, making swinging attacks, pointing his finger. For me, it was just miserable to watch Lieberman. If I had any sympathy for Joey, I just lost it watching the debate. He was horrendous and I remember him being real nice with Dick Cheney during 2000.

By: Rayne

Rayne — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:24:47 +0000

renska 4:38 am — thanks much! Redshift 11:08am also caught that redirect, left me a comment in the next thread.

You guys are great! Absolutely dig being able to come back and find this kind of followup news from FirePups.

By: katgw

katgw — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:15:06 +0000

Way up top, lina asked:
“does anyone know what was yelled out in the audience during the debate that got both of their attention for a second?”

Watching on NBC30, the station appeared to accidentally launch a “News at 11″ preview; when after a few seconds the station retured to the debate, both gentlemen were looking straight out to the audience looking a bit confused.

By: xebecs

xebecs — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:58:46 +0000

It is remarkable how quickly this juggernaut is collapsing. It gives me great hope that the rest of the Republican machine will fold as easily.

Maybe all we need to do is speak the truth firmly and consistently, look the voters in the eye and say “This is wrong, we will put an end to it.”