(You can watch the Lamont/Lieberman debate on CSPAN and on MSNBC. They'll also be having updates on the Ned Lamont blog.)
6:54: Picked up Matt Stoller at the train station, we're in the war room. Passed the TV station with LieberYouth waving their signs and looking on the whole a bit Moonie. DeanFan84 and other CT bloggers were also camped outside hoping to catch Joe on the way in. The energy is quite charged....
7:05: Joe wants to make it all about the war and says Ned is running against George Bush. He keeps saying "I'm not George Bush." Does he really want to keep invoking visions of Dan Quayle?
7:06: Ned is coming across geniune and passionate. "Senator Lieberman, if you won't challenge George Bush and his failed agenda, I will." Booyah!!!
7:07: Hey Joe, how can you ask Democrats to get over the war? Joe quickly finds another quesiton to answer. Joe keeps trying to peddle himself as the man who makes a principled stand, and not one willing to say anything to get himself on Meet the Press. He sounds patronizing and churlish.
7:09: Joe wants Ned to clean up the mess he's made in Iraq.
7:12: Lieberman: "Ned's got me confused again." It doesn't take much. Lieberman says things are "a lot better different" in Iraq. Michael Ware's words still ring true:
I and some other journalists had lunch with Senator Joe Lieberman the other day and we listened to him talking about Iraq. Either Senator Lieberman is so divorced from reality that he's completely lost the plot or he knows he's spinning a line. Because one of my colleagues turned to me in the middle of this lunch and said he's not talking about any country I've ever been to and yet he was talking about Iraq, the very country where we were sitting.
7:17: Ned: George Bush has been bad for the country and bad for the State of Connecticut. "Senator Lieberman is finding too much common ground with the President."
7:18: Joe keeps saying "There you go again." All his tactics are straight out of the GOP playbook. Karl, are you behind the curtain?
7:20: Joe says he's helped the country achieve energy independence. Is he huffing DeLay's left over bugspray?
7:22: Nice that Lieberman is being so churlish and antagonistic against Ned. Would've been nice if he'd been that tough on Cheney. But Joe is only nasty to other Democrats, I guess.
Joe's whole game plan is personal attacks on Ned -- it's worked well for the GOP, and it's your only option if you can't defend your own record without lying. Joe opposed the privatization of Social Security? Hah.
7:25: Lieberman wouldn't answer Ned on the "short ride" for rape victims. He said he was endorsed by Planned Parenthood.
Thanks, Planned Parenthood.
7:40: Ned hammered Joe over his support for the energy bill. Joe tries to interrupt him. "This isn't Fox News, Sir," says Ned. Good on ya, Ned.
7:46: Lieberman keeps talking about how rich Ned is. Ned agreed to a spending cap for this campaign, Holy Joe wouldn't. He's raised millions. Who's the one who wants to burn piles of cash?
7:50: Joe brags about how many earmarks he's supported. Ned hits him hard by saying if they're legitimate, they should go through the legislative process. Hey Porkbusters....
7:55: "I want you to vote for your dreams, I want you to vote with your heart." Ned was inspirational. Joe sounded like an entitled, cranky finger-waving scold, the spawn of Karl Rove angry at being subjected to the Democratic process. I know I'm not impartial, but watching it I would've walked away thinking Joe was a jerk and that Ned was a good guy worth listening to.
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Fitz! we’re watching!
roots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And by the way ctblogger DID get the ideas we sent over from John Casper.
Open source think tank operates in real time.
Katie was unwilling to vacate the front seat of the car for Matt but eventually she
was pulledmoved into the back seat. We’re here in the war room.GO NED!!!
for those of you on dialup and no cable TV — CSpan streams pure audio too : it’s low bandwidth (it uses teeny tubes)
and the War Room is at the Nedquarters ?
Jane in the “war room”… Would love to witness that!
Ned reminds me of House . . . except handsome.
War on Jane! Thank you for everything you do!!!
CSpan has some pre-debate chitchat going on already
GO NED!!!!!!
Advice to Ned - Don’t hold back on Lieberman.
Don’t try too hard to be Mr. Nice.
Leave the mollycoddling, mewling and meandering chit-chat to HoJo.
Get your war on!
w00t, let’s hope he kicks some WATB ass!
#10, Ditto!
MSNBC has a vote on the winner of the debate.
GAME ON!
Thanks Jane!
EPU’d
I would like to see the debate questioners ask Lamont and Leaverman about the Supreme Court’s recent Hamdan decision, which very sensibly reined in to some degree the Bush administration’s attempt to exercise unlimited executive power.
That decision narrowly addressed the trial procedures for Guantanamo detainees. I would like to hear from Lamont and Leaverman how they feel about the Bush administration’s accross-the-board powergrab, and the failure of the Do-Nothing Rubber Stamp Congress to uphold its responsibilities as a co-equal branch of government. It’s hard for me to picture Leaverman challenging the administration on this any more than he has on a variety of other issues.
This is a very important subject that the public needs to be educated about. Does anybody know what positions the candidates have taken on over-reaching executive power and Congress’s failure to deal with it?
OK! C-Span on, check. Laptop fired up for live blogging, check. Glasses oh crap. brb
I hope it’s a real debate format, not just questions from journalists.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Cry havoc and let loose the {Fire}dogs of war!
GO NED!!!!!!
gee… ya think the channel is nbc30?
GO NED! Take no prisioners.
A clear choice, Joe? You bet there is.
warble warble warble on ho jo.
Asshole John Harwood on MSNBC with Noron says Hillary running from JL to placate anti-war wing.
They start w Lieb. He sounds stiff. “He is distorting who I am” talking about BUSH
Bentsen? Fucker!
Will Leaverman say “9/11″?
… I’ve kissed George Bush…
Let’s see — daughter in bath with Dad manning the towel…check. C-Span on…check. Computer…check. Dachshund bladder…dang it. Thank goodness for Tivo.
And Joe Lieberman is already whining. (And his joke fell flat. Lame-O.)
And he hasn’t even memorized his opening 90 second statement…
Iws that lipstick on Joe’s cheek?
puppy love
I’m not george bush–crickets chirping…
Lieb keeps having to refer to his notes
ATTACK!
Holy shit Joe just said he opposed Bush on privatizing social security!
Lies…
Lamont needs to just out and out hammer him on this.
Ned’s a little nervous.
Lieberman didn’t welcome Ned, Ned did welcome Lieb
That’s right, Ned. Put it directly to him!
Ned’s looking a little less terrified now…
Lam talks about his volunteer and community service…wondering about opportunities for our kids…losing jobs in the state..gas prices doubled skyrocketing costs dependent foreign oil and capital. those who got us into this mess (iraq) have to be held accountable
Jane ..it looks like the entire debate will be cspan and msnbc…lamont is giving his opening speech…Good watching!!
Good, Ned came out swinging.
Ned
s smoking!
you’re a lying sos, Joe! you jest did it agin.
Lieberman used the “I’m not Bush” line.
Lamont seems a bit nervous and unrehearsed. Note to self: take voice lessons before running for office.
boo yaa ! Go Ned.
Ned’s voice is higher than I expected — maybe those cords will loosen a tad as he relaxes (which I hope he does).
Question to lieb on iraq
he was critical of the administration for what bush did after the invasion REALLY??
“My opponent is running against me on this one issue..all over on this issue one day for, one day against….if you believe we shd get out of iraq have the courage of yr convictions
blaming sos, too. you are no senator, joe.
ned comes out swinging.
Leiberman trying to brand Lamont as a single issue guy then a flipflopper
Ooh, flippant, dismissiveness from Lieberman.
oh jeeze, Joe borrowing from the flip-flop book of Karl rove.
FWIW
MSNBC poll
Who won the Connecticut Senate debate?
Joe Lieberman
Ned Lamont
It was a draw
Lamont whacks down wmds, supports murtha, tens of thousands died, hundreds of billions spent destabilized the middle east it was a mistake
Yeah, Ned’s better now, but he needs to look into the camera more.
Is it just me, or is Lieberman looking like a royal prick here? I’m waiting for him to stride across the stage like Rick Lazio.
Ned’s furtively looking around
Ned hasn’t had 18 years of media coaching while in office. He’s doing much better since he took that deep breath halfway through the opening.
LIEberman is a better liar.
Absolutely!
What a lying WATB
Ned is coming out blazing. Go, NED!!
LAMONT!!
Lieberman is interrupting
Moderator! Joe has no respect for the format.
Ten minutes in and they are just arguing.
looks like it might just dissolve into an argument
lieb is trying to say lam has both positions on iraq withdrawal
lam we can get our troops out of harms way in 6 months important to look at the facts on the ground
lieb too soon disaster for iraqis and us YA
Ned! Wow!
Man, Holy Joe is looking like a pompous ass.
Lieberman is just mean. What an unpleasant man.
“That corner is a square” — well played.
OH SNAP
Turning the corner is a square
the daggars are out.
Joe sounds like he has Rove’s talking points down cold. What a prick–makes me dislike him more and more.
Ned called it an OCCUPATION!
Yeh!
Meanwhile, Josh Marshall shows perhaps why Joe needed a plan B: CT Jewish voters favored Ned 50-41 going into tonight:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....php#008951
Joe comes across a little like Sen. Burns in his debate with Jon Tester–like it’s an affront for him to have to defend his positions.
He’s doing pretty good. He does need to BREATHE.
Good elucidation on his war position.
Oh yeah, Iraq is a lot better that a year ago. Right.
Situation in Iraq is alot better different? WTF, Lieberman?
HoJo
“the situation in Iraq is a lot better different”
If Lieberman gives a sunshine and roses answer on how things are going in Iraq, he’s going to look like an out-of-touch ass.
question to lam wt is diff in iraq
lam lieb turning the corner? that corner is a square…progress but last 6 months going downhill incipent civil war best hope for success start bringing troops out of harms way
there for humanitarian support and political support
lieb trying to say things in iraq better than 3 years ago their troops ready to lead the fight, are we going to abandon them
lie - “iraq ia a lot better than it was a year ago”…. “that’s progress”
Ho Jo is slick as gooseshit and twice as stinky.
As long as Joe wants to talk about Iraq, he’s a dead duck.
well, if joey is so confused….
STFU and go home!
Joe is trying to have it both ways. He doesn’t want to stay in Iraq indefinitely, but he doesn’t want to set a definite timeline.
Lieberman is being nasty, petulant, and in a profoundly phoney way, “tough.”
Yuck.
lieb seems to want to interupt continously
Lieberman keeps mocking Lamont’s position as wishy-washy, and his alternative is we need to definitely leave but not by a definite date, we need to leave soon but not too soon? Yeah, that’s a much clearer position, Joe.
Say it JoHo “LAST THROES”
Joe’s counting of Ned’s alleged 6 positions is total BS and sounds like it.
Tell em Ned!
seems like Joe is the one flip-flopping.
He’s a prick though, inst he?
Ned is hammering on the timeline. Way to go, Ned.
condescending Joe
Joe lying again, says he’s not for an open ended committment. Is confident in Bush’s plans, yada-yada, yada-yada. Joe won’t let Ned finish, a sentence without cutting in–sounds desperate. Glad Ned didn’t back down and allow Joe to do it. Without being given it, Joe cuts in and responds to Ned’s response. Come on moderator, let Ned responsd to the response!
She’s letting HoJo get the last word everytime.
Cut’n Run Joe is such a pompous domineering ASS
Alright! Hamdan!
I hope Conn voters look deeply, ’cause Joe’s BShit is pretty thick.
They are letting this get out of hand. The moderator is letting WATB interrupt constantly.
9/11 had nothing to do w/ IRAQ
I hope at some point that Ned turns around and calls Lieberman on his rude interruptions. *g* That would be a great debate moment. Especially because Lieberman is earning a rebuke.
That moderator needs to slap Lieberman
That shit interupts over and over again
He is Fauxing Ned
Thanks for the updates ! Keep em coming
Ooooooooooh, good question. Ned, say HAMDAN!! HAMDAN!!
Lakoff
“Freedom, Liberty”
HoJo is using the right wing frame
Joe’s beating him on debating points…he’s attacking…
Yeah, John C, but we don’t want Ned looking like Mommy has to step in to help him.
wow– great question re Hamdan.
Joe really is absolutely indistinguishable from W, isn’t he? All Repub talking points …
“never attacked before”
Joe forgot about Ft. Sumter and Pearl Harbor and the entire Revolutionary War and War of 1812.
Michael Ware of TIME:
I wish Ned had that quote on tap.
Uh oh, Joe’s acting like he’s for limits on executive power.
Right, Ned. Blame Congress!!
I didn’t realize I could hate Lieberman more than I did this morning. What a complete ass.
Yeah, well that’s a great decision we’ll never get out of SCOTUS again if you keep allowing people like Alito and Roberts on the court, HoJo.
lil joey, what an asswipe.
If you aren’t for an open ended committment, then you ARE imposing some kind of deadline, you lying crapsack.
OH.MY.F*CKING.GOD.
HE INVOKED 9/11.
If Lieberman is NOT a Republican, I don’t know what else to call him. He just defended the administration, to boot.
I hope the Dems of Connecticut are seeing what I’m seeing.
lam casey we will start bringing troops home this fall lets set a timeline our generals want this
lieb everything is lam has yet another position on iraq your 6th position
question gitmo concentrate power on executive response to sept 11 attacks
lieb this administration pushed the envelope
president not above the law pres shd come to congress to get legal way nothing in court decision to release detainees
lam congress not asserting authority president acting as if above the law moral authority of the nation stronger if we obey the laws illegal wiretaps..shd have had hearings..censure is an appropriate remedy
Shorter Joe: I’m better at attacking mainstream Democrats than I am Republicans.
YES! CENSURE!
Ned - “should have debate over wiretaps”… “censure is an appropriate remedy”
eya gang,
saying hi from the Majority Report bloggie.
Ol Leeperman shuffling so fast his shoes are smoking!
Gerry Brooks looks like an aging Zorro in search of a buckle to swash…
CENSURE!! Yeah, NED!!
question if you win then wt
lam you act on yr conscience and wt is good for the people of yr state important dems stand up and talk about wt can be done
Ned smoked that one!
ned on censure–quick and move on.
lieb ACTUALLY SAID
THERE YOU GO AGAIN
“well, there you go again” — HoJo channeling Reagan
Talk about lobbing softballs questions for Joe.
good softball question to Ned
Bring up Joe’s position on rape victims…go Ned, go
there you go again– now he’s doing Reagan…
‘There you go again,’ says Joe, quoting Reagan.
“there you go again” sounds familiar
Lieberman isn’t really debating–he defending himself. ATTACK!
Never been attacked before like 9/11 eh?
Um, WTC circa 1993 anyone? There weren’t radical islamic extremists then?
Joe’s tossing the pork around
Lieberman - opposed most of what Bush wanted? Yeah, except the important things.
“Well, there you go again…”
Now he’s Ronnie.
Ned better smack it out of the park when we get to the question of Lieberman running post-primary as an independent…
j