
(The real Tom DeLay mug-shot)
U.S. District Court Judge Sam Sparks has ruled on Tom DeLay’s effort to have his name taken off the ballot for the House seat representing Texas District 22. It’s not looking good for the Republicans in that district.
AUSTIN (AP) – The Texas Republican Party must keep former congressman Tom DeLay on the November election ballot, a federal judge ruled Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks heard testimony last week in a daylong trial to determine whether the Republicans should be able to move ahead.
DeLay, the former House majority leader who resigned from office June 9, testified that he lives and votes in Virginia and that he has a Virginia driver’s license.
But lawyers for Texas Democrats pointed out DeLay still owns a Houston-area home, where his wife Christine lives and where DeLay spends time. The Democrats also argued that it couldn’t be shown conclusively whether DeLay would be an ‘‘inhabitant” of Texas on Election Day on Nov. 7.
(snip)
‘‘Now he’s on the ballot, now he’s off the ballot,” said Lampson spokesman Mike Malaise. ‘‘We’re just campaigning as if we have an opponent.”
DeLay, under indictment on Texas campaign-finance charges, won the Republican primary for his district in March but announced about a month later that he was resigning from Congress and moving to Virginia.
Don Bankston, a member of the State Democratic Executive Committee from Fort Bend County, said DeLay tried to "manipulate the rules" in seeking to be found ineligible for office.
Shorter Herald-Coaster: Welcome back to the House race, Mr. DeLay! Funny, DeLay’s legal team petitioned to have this matter heard in U.S. District Court because they felt like Sparks was more likely to rule in their favor than the local judge. Seems like these Little Caligulas of the Right can’t seem to catch a break from the judicial system lately. Funny how that whole Rule of Law thing works. But then again, all that strident anti-judiciary rhetoric that DeLay has been spewing for the last few years can’t have helped either.
Don’t call it a comeback. I been here for years. Rockin my peers and puttin’ suckas in fear. [/L.L. Cool J]
Since the judge has ruled that DeLay or no-one will be the Republican on the ballot against Democrat Nick Lampson, and DeLay has made it clear that he isn’t running, I believe that Texas Congressional District No. 22 has just automatically turned blue! Which means that now, the Democrats only need 14 seats to form a majority in the House of Representatives. Thanks, Tommy D!! You RULE!!
And while I’m feeling magnanimous, I would like to welcome serial plagiarist Ben Domenech back from his exile on the Island of Elba. He has surfaced over at Red State with a dewy-eyed tribute to somebody’s dead grandfathers (no link here). He says they’re his grandfathers, but he’s lied about things like that before. Before I believe it, I want somebody to make sure he didn’t dig that piece out of the archives over at Slate or something.
Maybe we can get John Barrie to run it through his plagiarism detection software. Oh, and speaking of John Barrie! It appears that Ann Coulter’s publishers may actually investigate the glaring examples of plagiarism unearthed in her columns and her latest "book". Thank God for John Barrie. That poor man. He slogged through reams of her inchoate seethings and had this to say about the experience:
It didn’t take long to find evidence of plagiarism, Barrie said. "After we found three in the book, we called it quits. I think we found four of her syndicated columns that had problems." But the task proved draining, he said — on himself, not his technology. "After combing through Ann Coulter for a while, it doesn’t take long before you want to call it quits. I want to prove the technology, but I don’t want to make my eyes bleed."
Or get a brain hemorrhage, dude. Thank you for taking on this brave and necessary work. You deserve a couple of years in the tropics being fed ice cold grapes and fanned by a pair of slaves for what you have done, Mr. Barrie. Our hats are off to you and the brave sacrifice you have made for your country.
And that’s all I’ve got tonight, firedogs! Go, Lamont!!
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FRITZ!!!!!?
Tom DeLay’s final “F*ck you” to the guys who didn’t have his back in the House.
Frizz!
Now to the topic at hand.
If Lay wins on the ballot what them?
No, No wait.
It will be proof that diebold is really crooked!
hahahahaha! (@the picture)
Oh, argghh, that picture! Trex, have pity on us poor souls!
Damn those liberal activist judges.
Why do they hate America?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
TREX!!!
Man, I look forward to LateNite as much as Colbert now.
Fucking Classic.
Man, I look forward to LateNite as much as Colbert now.
That’s some pretty esteemed company to be in. One day I hope to be half as handsome and funny as Stephen Colbert.
LOL!!!! Thank you for the LOVELY photo!!
Bugman did to his district what HoJo is trying to do to CT.
You’re definitely half as funny.
;)
We’re not worthy.
Did anyone else hear Leiberman start to say “cut and run” and catch himself?
First you must shave from the neck down.
Hello from Carlsbad, NM. When I’m werkin’ I only come out at nite.
That picture should go on pro-abortion posters.
By the way, looks like the Coultergeist plagerism train is leaving the station without the Rude Pundit. I say we all show the rude one some love.
Lieberman’s driver from the debates said Joe contracted a case of Tourette’s syndrom.
Egads!!! I just pulled up this post, my Manx saw the pic, bit me on the neck, and then ran under the refrigerator! THANKS!!!! Grrrr…
*bleeding profusely* ; )
Don’t forget the Rude also deserves major props for sorting out Coulter’s floppery.
Bugman as Island Girl. That has real possibilities. All of them are bad.
I suppose Delay & gang will appeal and go venue shopping.
Maybe they’ll bump into Rush on his way to the doctor’s office.
Bugman as Island Girl. That has real possibilities. All of them are bad.
Please don’t make me link to Louis Farrakhan’s novelty calypso song about the transsexual.
punaise at 152 I’m not prepared to talk about mine just yet.
Were you in Nam?
This ruling came after the Texas Republican Party went judge shopping for a favorable decision.
From TPMmuckraker: “After the Democrats filed their initial suit, the GOP made a motion to move the case from state court to federal court. They thought they’d find a sympathetic friend there in Judge Sam Sparks, who was nominated to his position by Pres. George H. W. Bush in 1991″
So Whitey Delay lives on in ballot land. I see he’s doing Prell commercials now. Maybe he can get RGJoe to move down to Nirvana.
You deserve a couple of years in the tropics being fed ice cold grapes and fanned by a pair of slaves for what you have done
Wasn’t that you after your Wolcott link?
TRex, keep em coming. GD that was a good one!
Any Texan out there? Can Delay still serve if elected? **it
Wasn’t that you after your Wolcott link?
It was SUPPOSED to be, but I missed my plane.
Awesome Reuters article about the debate:
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters…..ref=slogin
Jane, did you get my e-mail? Did you make contact with ronjazz?
That is 100% the Best Photoshop Ever. Who made that? Is that old and I missed it? Whoever did it, thank you! :-)
Feel free to document your own atrocities in the comments.
egregious 25
punaise at 152: I’m not prepared to talk about mine just yet.
Were you in Nam?
nah, I was in grade school
Those dirty activist judges!!!
hey let’s cut Ben some slack – he’s working hard to resurrect his career. lots of Elba grease.
Thanks to Mr. Barrie for reading Coulter so we don’t have to. A purple heart is in order as I am sure he will bear some scars form this.
And thanks to the bugman, what would we do without you, Tommy? I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
You nailed it TRex.
HoJo: “Withdrawing now, he said, would create chaos.”
Iraq already has that.
Ben? Dover, maybe?
(I know, you leave the cheapies for us amateurs.)
“He had resigned from Congress and moved to Virginia, en route to Leavenworth.”
If the rest of the Press reports are half as good as that one, Ned has some serious momentum coming out of the debate.
TRex you sexy beast fabulous post.
granted, he was a bit Capri-cious.
May Delay’s future entail making little ones out of big ones
Tommy D. wishes he could look that good.
And yes, good riddance to that lying, theiving asshole. Oh wait, you said Ben is back?
Bumper Sticker in Texas:
“Change the congress without Delay”
Chemical Tommy
OT, but it’s late-nite, see Krugman’s column, “The Treason Card”:
[snip] “But now the chuckling has stopped: somehow, nobody seems to find calls to send Bill Keller to the gas chamber funny. And while the White House clearly believes that attacking The Times is a winning political move, it doesn’t have to turn out that way — not if enough people realize what’s at stake.
For I think that most Americans still believe in the principle that the president isn’t a king, that he isn’t entitled to operate without checks and balances. And President Bush is especially unworthy of our trust, because on every front — from his refusal to protect chemical plants to his officials’ exposure of Valerie Plame, from his toleration of war profiteering to his decision to place the C.I.A. in the hands of an incompetent crony — he has consistently played politics with national security.
And he has done so with the approval and encouragement of the same people now attacking The New York Times for its alleged lack of patriotism.”
[snip]
“Things have changed since then: Mr. Bush’s ability to wrap his power grab in the flag has diminished now that most Americans no longer consider him either competent or honest. But the administration and its supporters still believe that they can win political battles by impugning the patriotism of those who won’t go along.
For the sake of our country, let’s hope that they’re wrong.”
I missed the debate and this crappy Super 8 doesn’t have C-Span and has wireless internet, so any video feeds are all chopped up and stuff. Sounds like Ned didn’t stub his toe and Joe more or less self-destructed. Pompous ass. What part of public service does he not understand?
[Kevin Drum]TICK TICK TICK….I just realized today that the Connecticut primary isn’t until August 8. That means we’re in for another full month of 24/7 screeching in the liberal blogosphere about the myriad personal deficiencies of Joe Lieberman, Ned Lamont, and every last one of their friends and supporters.
Just shoot me. Can’t President Bush nuke some small third-world country that he’s annoyed at so we have something else to talk about? Please?[/Kevin Drum]
Then Rush’s sawbones is Dr. Firm.
he talks the toxic, but can he walk the “wahhhhh!” kit?
30, eureka: far as I understand things, he could still serve if elected.
Ghostman
Would his 401(k) be a poison distribution?
Can’t President Bush nuke some small third-world country that he’s annoyed at so we have something else to talk about? Please?
Well… Yes, in all likelihood.
Mariannas or Ginger?
The fact that MSNBC carried this, and that Ned did so well, will add pressure on HoJo to commit to the Dem primary. Dems all over the country met Ned Lamont tonite. I think this is why HoJo announced “Plan B” BEFORE the debate, he knew if he waited, it would look as if he was caving to Ned’s momentum. HoJo didn’t count on the momentum that his “Plan B” gave Ned. Without Plan B, there’s no MSNBC coverage. Way to go HoJo!
Prell? Do they still make Prell or is there just a stray old slushfund hanging around waiting for a draw down?
Please oh please by all that’s holy tell me it isn’t one of the standing in the shower, massaging his scalp with a foamed head ads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
OT – back to Ned. I didn’t watch – but after reading here’s what I want to say and if Jane sees this she can pass it on to handlers.
Ned’s a business guy. I teased someone awhile back who compared me with the litigators on the thread and it is a very visceral difference to be a business lawyer – or worse yet, a business person who is a lawyer – than to be a litigator. To start with, the business world recognizes two main cagtegories – deal makers and deal breakers. This is especially true for lawyers, but it is the categorization that bankers and principals fall in as well.
Successful business people, and it sounds as if Ned has been very successful, generally are deal makers. That means it is a bit antithetical for a good business person to walk into a situation and start off the bat on the offensive. In the business world – it kills deals before they start.
IMO, it sounded as if this was something Ned was struggling with at the beginning and I don’t think it was so much a lack of confidence, as a lack of comfort with coming out of the gate on the attack. It sounds like he warmed up as he was being attacked, which is also typical for a good business person.
If he is going to do any other debate type settings (and it sounds like he may not) then he needs some advance coaching on how to jump from the gate. It is COMPLETELY foreign for a good business guy to “start” the conversation with an attack. He needs to be couched on thinking of Joe as the guy who has arrived, 3/4 of the way through the deal, to screw it up. He’ll know just how to handle that.
Sounds like he did a pretty wonderful job anyway. “This is not Fox News” has me smiling.
Dana,
[…]
place the C.I.A. in the hands of an
assfucking fanincompetent cronyTX-22, the roach moat hell: he can check in, but he can’t check out
(sorry Texans, no snub intended)
Oh, and OFG: delay’s folks can’t go shopping on appeal. This was a Federal Court, so if there’s an appeal, they MUST take it down to the 5th circuit….down in NOLA.
Ghostman
I refer to that state as Baja Oklahoma.
Baja…..referring to Texas, or Louisianna?
Reckon the hired killer has Cajin fans?
Love the picture!
OFG, I’m from NM (long time ago) and I never made it to Carlsbad. Good to see you.
Baja refers to South of the Red River, Texas.
OFG, yes, HoJo attacked early on Iraq and Ned basically ignored him and kept his cool.
HoJo came off as a very smart guy who has been inthe Senate for 18 years.
Ned got stronger as the debate went on. He was always good at annunciating his overarching principles. When he got to energy, he was able to merge that with some of the nitty gritty of the legislative history.
The single biggest event, may have been HoJo storming out afterwards, because he didn’t like the questions he got from the Press. This just fanned interest in HoJo’s willingess to
fucking repeatedlyinterrupt Ned in mid sentence repeatedly.Ned’s lack of legislative experience came through, but he’s also met a payroll, which HoJo hasn’t.
I think the smart money is on HoJo to continue self-destructing.
Mary #58:
Given the polling data Josh Marshall found earlier, or whatever rough equivalent Joe was seeing, I think he’s following a two-part strategy now:
1. See if the rookie will make an unforced error in the primary, thus handing Joe the win.
2. Go for broke in the general, where the lefty vote will be diluted.
Ned didn’t help Joe tonight with #1. AFAIK, #2 will come down in large part to CT Dem inside-baseball stuff for Joe to be able to mobilize GOTV. I see this as a strategy of weakness for Joe, because if he thought he could KO Ned now, he’d be working the primary a lot harder. JMO, tho.
If it comes down to not knowing and knowing better, my money goes to the former. He can learn, the other doesn’t care.
Oh! Taking a shot at my great state? Damn…I thought we had those checkpoints still going up 75 and 35. Those Okies are always trying to sneak into The Promised Land. (chuckle)
Ghostman
Yes, they still make Prell. I use it.
But might Abramoff him before he sings?
Jane, if you are still here, is there anything you or CHS need from us firepups. Just ask and you got it.
I heard they changed the Signatures restauraunt into a Jack-In-The-Box.
I love this. To borrow from Molly Ivins http://www.workingforchange.co…..emid=18028 Delay is attached to the GOP like a stinking dead bird wired around a chicken-killin’ dog’s neck. A teaching experience for neo-cons who bond with theo-cons who turn out to be just plain old cons.
Rimshot for OFG!
They still make Prell? What about Suave?
Prolly heard that from T-Rex. Sounds like the snark from Solomon’s inheritance.
Tomorrow is Independence Day in the Cayman Islands.
Happy Independence Day, Ken Lay!
trex you be dope.
Is today Dubya’s birthday? Was the drunk cokehead really born on co-dependence day?
Thanks for featuring something unrelated to Lieberman. I hate him as much as the next real Democrat but Jesus, enough already.
That said, my extremely conservative sister in law’s ex husband visited over the weekend and seems to have a serious case of buyer’s remorse with the Republican party. Welcome back to reality, Steve-what can I say?
The guy who put the “ham” in “Hammer”.
Delay’s district is still basically red. I hope those folks don’t do something REALLY stupid and still vote the bugman into office. good lord.
Ghostman
As far as the extended coverage of the Ned/Lieberman race, the lady of the house is battling for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party, exposing the lie that to win, you must become more Republican like. Many here agree with her and support her in every way we can. Their are lots of other blogs out there if you tire of this particular battle.
Hey, TeddySanFran, I figure you must be in San Francisco. That’s where I work (but I live in Oakland).
I wonder when Kenny’s funeral will be held, and whether we might fly in for a viewing — of his wax replica.
Ghostman,
I had read that in his zeal to gain Republican seats, Delay the invincible watered down his own district for the benefit of others. It is still red, but more vulnerable, IIRC.
So Joe had his own connectivity problems tonight. In Connecticut, no less.
I live in Austin, but have in-laws, many of them, that live in Tom Delay’s district. I brought him up in the past and not a single person thought highly of him. (All of my in-laws are Faux watching Republican’s). I was there for the 4th celebrations, but oddly enough, no one talked politics.
My gut impression is that his constituents are highly ashamed of him, and really don’t want to talk about him, or anything else relating to politics. They’re sitting this one out.
“I Want Joe Lieberman as Senator”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..4342/74463
pretty funny.
Laughing about the Prell question! I dyed my hair some crazy color once and and ran crying to a stylist to have it changed, pronto – he told me first to buy the crappiest shampoo at the drugstore, which was Prell (hah!) and wash my hair with it a couple of times to get rid of the color in a hurry. That’s how bad the stuff is. Anyway, it worked. :)
Oh, and on the debate tonight. Lieberman was so unbelievably vile, rude and aggressive I really thought he lost the debate on style alone. Lamont did okay.
OT- Bill O’Reilly on Fox News is defending Rush Limbaugh claiming authorities in Palm Beach County, Fla., are “out to get” Rush and are “malicious” in targeting him for prosecution..
“He is an American and I believe powerful people in his home county are trying unjustly to harm him.” “This is a political persecution. That’s what this is.”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n…..E_ID=50829
Poor Rush. How can people be so mean just because he broke the law and because he has been caught doctor shopping and violated his plea agreement.
Amazing how the rule of law is no big deal when it is inconvenient. Also Rush appears quite comfortable with making broad hints that he had a very, very good time in the Domnican Republic, and nobody in the “Virtues” Right seems upset about any of it..
lazarus,
They’re pouting? That sounds so Democratic of them.
OFG: yep, your right on target. That’s exactly what delay did. But, I seem to think that its still either high 50’s or right around 60% red. Let’s hope Lampson still hustles thru the campaign.
Ghostman
Shameless blogwhoring alert, my only one ever:
Stop over to my place for a special event. Wear your hip waders.
http://scrutator.net/
Perhaps Mr.Barrie’s next work will be a bullshit detector, Delay is “Dead Man Running.” And Ann Coulter continues to demonstrate that although beauty may be skin deep, ugly goes right to the bone.
Make the Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
Ghostman – I checked, Delay trial will be after Nov. so we should be alright. Had me nervous for a minute though.
OFG – Word. rhizome!
Great news about the bugman, thanks TREx for this, please don’t stop with the late nites, you rock my early evening….
Coming late to the debate evaluation party, having watched the re-run and then tried to catch up on your comments here, so: one thing I haven’t heard said, probably I missed it here, but I never, ever heard an incumbent say the name of his opponent more than Joe did tonight. An error of hubris, anger, and self-rightousness — a terrible, poorly-executed strategy: “Who Is Ned Lamont?”
Ned was as good as he needed to be, suffering at the beginning from the onslaught of Lieberman’s attack but also (I imagine) wondering, ” Did the 18-year incumbent Senator just repeat my NAME over and over in his opening statement? Saints be praised!!” Ned warmed up to the camera (BAD staging, set and moderation, Channel 30, your local is showing!!) although he’s a retail politician. Funny, that’s worked for him so far, and I bet it will continue to WOW Nutmeg Dems.
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Had Enough?
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Katharine Jefferts Schori, Presiding Bishop Elect of the Episcopal Church, recently did an interview with Diane Rehm on NPR, and I’ve transcribed some of it. In the most recent segment I’ve posted, Diane Rehm asked Katharine Jefferts Schori if she feels able to speak out on political issues, or if she is restrained in some way.
Katharine Jefferts Schori: I’ve made major statements about the Federal Budget the last time around, and on immigration issues. The church has a voice to contribute to the conversation, and I think it’s essential that we do so. Obviously, if we’re a nonprofit organization, we can’t promote one particular candidate or one particular political initiative. But we have a responsibility as Christians to express our moral understanding of the implications of actions of Congress, and our government, and I think we need to do more of that work probably than less.
…
I think the work around Millennium Development Goals has been a politically motivated initiative in the large sense of what that word “politics” means. I understand it as the art of living together in community. We are called to transform the world around us as Christians, into something that looks more like the reign of God. And the last time I checked, I don’t think the hungry are all being fed, I don’t think the ill people are all being provided with healthcare. We have work to do.
More here.
OT/EPU, fill in the blanks re: Lieberman/Lamont.
I’m out here in Cali and I can dig the distaste for Joe but is this or is it not a one-issue campaign ?
Just askin’.
Because I’m lookin’ for a Democrat who doesn’t have the Iraq “war vote” taint as a presidential candidate in ‘08 and I’m not seeing a whole buncha candidates.
Kinda like 2004.
oilfieldguy,
well, they’re hardworking middle class decent people, that I think are politically brainwashed.
they think Fox is “fair and balanced”.
I also think the repub’s have so framed the issues on “values” that it’s going to take a lot of time and effort by democrats to get traction.
best to ya
well eureka….I don’t think the trial date has anything to do with it. Maybe you’re thinking of when delay resigned his post within congress after he was indicted? He had to resign his post as majority leader, but was able to remain as a “plain ole congressman.” He subsequently resigned entirely from congress due to personal reasons. I think I’m correct on this.
Ghostman
also I’m lookin’ for Sharkbabe to talk to her about her Strat.
WAY off topic !
I guess you can call the CT election a “one Issue” campaign. But it’s not about Iraq. It’s about electing a Democrat, and Joe, as usual, can take or leave that part of it.
Poor Rush Limbaugh. He must quickly invoke the “liberal law of infallibility” and apply for a waiver.
See, according to the fashionable fascist, Ann Coulter, it is a political no-no to attack anyone who’s suffering from any illness, infirmities or deformities. Old Rush scores that trifecta perfectly.
As to Dirty Tom Delay, since he is on the ballot, let us all continue to flog his politically dead carcass 24/7 until election day. Make him the “Michael Moore” of the right.
-GSD
Now thinking he would not serve if elected with a trial still ahead. Wouldn’t put any shenanigans past the putz. These thugs are wearin’ a hole in my tin foil.
uhhhh, Tim at 100: There’s 70 full posts in the “Lamont” category on firedoglake. There’s 94 posts on Lieberman. Lots discuss the reasons some of us here are supporting Ned’s challenge. You might want to take a gander at those posts, for some information and history about this campaign.
Short answer: Ned’s not a one-issue candidate. Other issues are on those 164 posts.
And if you’re looking for a Democrat without a war vote at all, any non-Senator will do. Warner, Vilsak, Richardson, Clark, Murtha: none of them cast an Iraq War Vote. Looking for a Dem who voted against the war but might run for Prez? Try Feingold, Boxer, Kennedy (it could TO happen!).
Some Senate Dems who voted for the Iraq War have stated their regrets: Edwards, and I think Kerry. Others, no.
But I guess it depends on what the Iraq “war vote” taint is, in your view….
lazarus,
I see that a lot, good folks led astray. Cultural issues were what the GOP had to have to get over 40-45%. The folks behind them are serious financial heavyweights and can really spitshine a message with fleets of double doctorate marketing and psychology majors, focus groups, the whole nine yards. They have set up an entire wingnut welfare training program for constant juice spewing out of their hose. Us regular Joes are trying to catch bullets with a spider web. I see the opposition but refuse to recognize the obstacle. No matter how pretty you make the pig look, eventually sight returns to the viewer.
Oh, I also liked when Ned Lamont called it the “Bush-Cheney-Lieberman energy bill.” Quite swell, that was!
Re: DeLay
#1 – Great photo! #2 – One reason Tom waited until after the primary to announce he wouldn’t run is so he could use left-over campaign funds for legal defense. Remember the quotes from the angry lobbyists who gave DeLay campaign money, then found out they got burned?
So, if he’s still on the ballot he can’t convert those funds to pay legal bills.
Also, love the fact that GOP went judge-shopping and lost, plus now they are at federal level courts.
al-Scooter 83
The guy who put the ‘ham’ in ‘Hammer’.
the guy who but the ‘bug’ in ‘bug Abu’
Fifty six percent of the Democrats voted no on the war with Iraq.
TSF: I just don’t see why more Democrats just come right out and say “yeah, I voted for the Iraq war. But I, and all of us were lied to and tricked by the WH. The shame’s on THEM, not me.” And then, just be done with all this hand-wringing that so many democrats go thru over their Iraq vote.
Ghostman
uuuhhh short answer Teddy: I watched the debate and that’s why I asked the question Kool Kid.
Clark was my boy in 2004. Didn’t happen.
“But I guess it depends on what the Iraq “war vote” taint is, in your view….”
Self-explanatory really.
Time for “shoephone” to call me a troll while I go do my “assigned” homework.
Hey, guys. Just got off the phone. Now I have to run back up the thread and see what I missed.
How’s everyone?
“If we knew then what we know now their would never have been a vote”
T-Rex,
we’ve just been making fun of you while your face was turned ;)
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co…..ssion_post
Link to a pretty good discussion of tonight’s debate (courtesy of Josh Marshall).
fwiw, I think the WH used HoJo in the first quarter of the debate just like they use Irving and everyone else. They tested out all their best stuff, “if we leave, Iraq will be in chaos.”
HELLO! Anyone who can, is leaving Baghdad.
It seems to me, HoJo left a trail of bedcrumbs right to all his vulnerabilities. All those unvarnished references to his ability to secure “earmarks” aka PORK. That is so “pre 9/11.” A “Nation at War,” doesn’t want to hear that, sounds so much like Cunningham, Abramoff, Delay, and the K Street project!
OFG
“If we knew then what we know now their would never have been a vote”
doesn’t work for me
off topic and kind of disgusting…
rick santorum’s worst nightmare:
dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
well, I’m out here in Cali and I can’t get enough of this. ‘cuz it kinda matters to us all.
Tim,
let’s dial it up a notch:
“It’s highly unfortunate that the cost of trusting our President has cost us over 2500 American lives.”
Odious Joe is “torn” between the party that brought him to the dance and the party that gave him some champagne, hookers and a limo drive home.
Torn, torn I say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5PgxjYJzZY
-GSD
Ghost, everyone is voting with a view towards how that vote will look in the days following the next attack.
Ghostman 113
TSF: I just don’t see why more Democrats just come right out and say ‘yeah, I voted for the Iraq war. But I, and all of us were lied to and tricked by the WH. The shame’s on THEM, not me.’ And then, just be done with all this hand-wringing that so many democrats go thru over their Iraq vote.
b-i-n-frickin’-g-o.
Oilfieldguy,
I don’t dispute the lady of the house’s right to feature whatever she wants. I desperately want Lamont to kick Lieberman’s sorry ass out of the senate and serve notice to other vichy Democrats that their days are numbered. I’m just getting a little tired of logging on to FDL and seeing the lion’s share of this wonderful site’s attention focused like a lazerbeam on this one race. I like a little variety, I’m just sayin’. Can I get a witness?
Mr. Casper….. I don’t follow what you’re saying?
Ghostman
Rushton, Nope. This race is what I’ve been waiting for for 6 years, and I’m all jazzed up about it. Keep it coming, Jane.
“It’s highly unfortunate that the cost of trusting our President has cost us over 2500 American lives.”
To which I would humbly add, whose deaths have made us no safer. Those men and women died or were wounded to give the appearance that the Bush WH cared about national defense. We are further from catching Osama than ever, and the Bush WH has only destabilized the entire region. We’ve set democracy back in the ME, while castrating our own military, and economy, but we have helped Iran and Russia immensely.
well, when fast and furious Fitz goings-on are in the news, we don’t see too many posts about oh, I don’t know, recipes or poetry contests.
of. the. moment.
Ghost, the reason Congress does not want to admit they made a mistake voting for Iraq, is because they feel that admission would make them look weak after another attack. JMO.
…not that I don’t love the posts about recipes or the poetry contests…
Punaise & oo99,
Point taken. Go Lamont!!!
132: Wellll…hmmmm. I see what you’re saying. Maybe that IS the reason why they’re reluctant to admit to a mistake. I guess, if I were a congressman, I’d admit that I was tricked, blame it on the WH, and then…..if another attack comes, I’d STILL blame the WH by saying the WH tricked us all into a useless, needless war when the WH should’ve been hunting bin laden and making our ports/borders safer. (in other words, always blame the WH! chuckle)
Teddy? Are you up? I mean awake…
how weird:
Couldn’t happen to a nicer felon, uh, I mean fella.
calling BS on having been tricked strengthens the hand for calling BS next time around (say, Iran)
punaise
tres bizzare
Rove saw your,
“I’d admit that I was tricked, blame it on the WH,” a mile away.
Rove has a lot of paper that says they were informed. Unless it’s someone with balls like Murtha, most Dems don’t want to risk it. This is how dangerous it is to be in Congress. What you know can hurt you as much as whatyou don’t know. For example, that’s why Sen. Specter was parading around, proudly, bragging that he didn’t know what the NSA was doing. He was inoculating himself. Once they got briefed, we don’t hear any more about it and now the Bush WH is inoculated. The intelligence committees have been briefed.
So punaise, how much longer are you going to keep us in suspense about all the grade school atrocities?
John Casper,
exactly. Feel free to add and such. Dems have let the pugs use the occupation like a blunt instrument. Trying to figure out how to clean up the pugs mess is done after you have the power to do so. Until then, why are we here? Is this what you consider leadership? Leaking misleading classified intel for this mess? Have your donors profitted enough from this misery? I know Senators enjoy the sounds of their voices and think if they say enough words, something will sound profound. I like the Bards philosophy; brevity is the soul of wit.
Example Alito. “I believe you will vote to take away a womans reproductive rights. I cannot support you on that basis. I’ll yield back the balance of my time for you to convince me otherwise.”
PoolBoy’s the only political reporter chatzing tomorrow at WaPoO:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01008.html
Hey, turtley…. thinking about you, how are you tonight?
John Casper
Where are you? Am I on my blessed California thread? punaise is in …Berkeley? Where John in Sac? Can someone get me a cocktail, please?
I’m in Georgia. Eastern standard, baby.
Thanks for askin pun…just a little residual nervous-energy-too-little-sleep vibe goin’ on.
How are you?
Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It looks like the media is going to use the “plagiarism” angle to rid themselves of that damned Coulter-giest.
Note also it was a story that broke in the NY Post, a Murdoch organ I think. Looks like you can only call the folks in NY cowards and call their women grief whores so many times before the good folks start to bite back.
So from now on I will refer to:
Known Plagiarist and Genocide Advocate, Ann Coutler.
(Snip)
Interest appears to be growing. John Barrie, the man whose technology identified the instances of plagiarism in acidic right-wing writer Ann Coulter’s columns, is getting more calls to do national television.
Barrie, whose analysis of Coulter’s work was first reported by the New York Post on Sunday, has recently been contacted by the Today Show and Good Morning America, he told me. In addition, AP, the New York Times and others have called him for stories they’re working on, and the New York Post is planning a follow-up piece, he said.
“It’s picking up,” Barrie told me this afternoon.
-GSD
TRex a said you were a fabulous beast earlier and I’m stickin’ to it.
The TPM comments were ‘good’ if you believed that Lieberman did good and Lamont did poorly.
Towards the end there were some counter opinions but few there thought Lamont even did O.K. Maybe I should check back but that is what I saw when there.
Initially, the media response has been directed to lieberman’s anger. And rightly so. In his first primary fight in 18 years Lieberman has forgotten how to campaign in a contested race and also how to be accountable to his constituents.
It shows.
Casper, 141: I imagine much of what you refer to is the NIE. Hmmm…interesting conundrum.
Ghostman
HopeSpringsATurtle 140 – tres bizzare
I’ll take that as a general compliment. was it regarding anything specific?
John Casper 142
grade school atrocities? well I got kicked out of chemistry lab in high school once for lighting a piece of magnesium, but that was later.
I was just inspired by the phrasing of “Feel free to document your own atrocities in the comments.”
Poetry? Delays foavorite:
There was a birdie in the snow
He was crippled and could not go
I lured him to me with some bread
then I stomped his **cking head
Thanks OFG.
Obviously Ned is not going to come off as polished as HoJo. A lotof the Republican Senators, Kit Bond and George Allen come to mind immediately aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. But, their votes count just as much as Lindsay Graham. The Dems have some smart people, Harry, Kerry, Feingold, Boxer. They’ll help Ned out. They can’t help HoJo out, because he’s basically a Republican. I think Ned’s plenty smart enough to learn what he has to. Right now, however, we just need him to be a great campaigner.
OT, tonite HoJo accused Ned of flip-flopping, which is exactly what Bush accused Kerry of. Even that criticism gives Ned some street cred, that he didn’t have before the debate.
From the Houston Chronicle…
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor…..28453.html
“…DeLay, dressed in shorts and a baseball cap, answered the door at his Sugar Land house this afternoon, but declined to talk with a Chronicle reporter.
“I don’t do this (interviews). Not at my house,” he said as he closed the door. “Goodbye.”
Priceless!
Just because the man stays in a house he owns in Texas doesn’t mean he LIVES there.
Have we seen this yet? Our good friend Pammy Atlas bites the big one.
http://sadlyno.com/archives/003127.html
It looks like the media is going to use the “plagiarism” angle to rid themselves of that damned Coulter-giest.
Dude. Whatever works. She is proof that pure Evil walks the earth. Make sure they drive a stake through her heart and pump her full of silver bullets. It’s just too easy for me to picture her rising out of the bathtub a la Glenn Close.
Why is Joe Lieberman so angry? He is more angry than those moonbats on the liberal internets.
-GSD
whatever God’s smoting, can we get some?
I got an “A” in high school chemistry for promising never to take any science class, ever again. My chemistry teacher felt it was a good strategy, insulating her science-teaching colleagues from my lack of skills or comprehension of her field.
Sorry to seem short or kewl, Tim, but I’m not sure what you meant by Iraq “war vote” taint. Is the taint on voting FOR or AGAINST? Meant to be answering your other questions, perhaps unclearly.
Hope: Brew City (Milwaukee)
punaise, yeah, I kind of figured. If anyone could make up entertaining puns and stories, however, about atrocities, it would be you.
I thought, when it came to voter perceptions of Ned’s performance vs. HoJo’s, that we might see a gender gap widening before our very eyes. What looked strong and confident and leaderly to men would look like bullying and arrogance to women, and conversely what looked tentative and hesitant and weak to men would look sensitive and thoughtful and endearing to women. Men would tend to think Lieberman won and women would equate Ned with Jimmy Stewart and vote for him in droves. (Required disclaimer: any discussion of the gender gap overgeneralizes gender differences, and in any event none of the foregoing applies to the extraordinary gentlemen of FDL.)
I still think the post-debate polling may show a gender gap, but I have to tell you that Reuters piece had me going “whoa.” That reporter, gender undisclosed, gave the macho award to Ned Lamont. Lieberman “took a hammering.” Lieberman “appeared on the defensive.” If that frame sticks, then HoJo just lost the codpiece vote. In the great game of politics-as-a-locker-room, Ned’s is bigger. I love it.
Lieberman is guilty of play-Joe-ism
T-Rex, she is like Rasputin, only more foul. I think she is at the “getting tossed off the bridge” phase in her Rapsutin like death dance.
-GSD
Holy smokes, it’s Gan-Joe!
-GSD
must sleep now. I’ll try the mfi trick
*pfweet* (damn, I gotta get that thing fixed)
I love it when BarbaraB talks dirty.
OFG – here, I’ll lend you a *poof*
punaise
I thought the Tonga royals story was weird too.
And I laughed alot late last night reading your ‘yoopuns’.
Teddy? Are you on this frequency?
hey hope thinking about you….
BarbaraB
You always sound sooo smart and insightful and I always read your threads. Thank you.
I agree Barbara at 10:54. I think a lot of heavy corporate guys are going to say, “we need a nasty sob in there, and HoJo wins that.”
Mary commented earlier, however, and I agreed with her, that Ned’s a heavy business guy. He’s met a bleeping payroll. That’s big and HoJo’s never done that.
Also, when HoJo was just plain insulting him early, Ned didn’t blink, and Ned didn’t lash out at him, Ned kept his cool. I think that plays well with people over time and especially when you factor in that HoJo stormed out of the post debate PC. Kinda makes you think it was all HoJo could do to hold it in for an hour.
…. gotcher cocktail here, hope, right on the table next to you, drink up, love….
My jonesing is showing huh?
HopeSprings – LOL – when Eli and I are on the same thread it’s usually bad news for the punhibited. several other folks got some zingers in.
OK I haven’t made myself clear.
A pre-emptive war on a sovereign nation (even if Darth Vader is the leader of “said” nation) is immoral, un-American and WRONG.
That’s why any vote to authorize (ooh he didn’t say attack) is a mark off ANY Democrat on principal ALONE !!
And I’m loaded and going to bed. Night all.
ooooh, the WaPoO article starts out “Shunned by many in his own party….”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01755.html
I am outta here too and very puninhibited, but I get a big kick out of it when you and Eli go at it.
I said it before, as many others may have.
Joe Liesureman = Senator Nasty
It’s snark Joe, not snarl.
BarabaraB – good genderalizations. no, really!
Gosh, here I am demurely sipping a blameless coca cola. I never made the leap to adult beverages.
OK, everybody who absolutely cringes at the puns just raise your hand and we’ll stop.
..scanning the horizon, looking around…
nope. nobody objects.
The guy (gal?)in Austin earlier in the thread said that they had in-laws in Sugarland and during a visit, “didn’t talk about politics…” Something about the ’shame factor’ which I think is very Texan. looks like 22 is goin’ Blue…
Rayne, I think you’ve wisely gone to bed, but FYI, whoisnedlamont.com now redirects to the Lamont campaign site, so whoever got it is one of the good guys.
punlicious
TRex is playing all innocent and stuff. don’t fall for it, folks.
DeLay has really showed where his loyalties lie on this one, hasn’t he? I shouldn’t say that too loudly. He might wake up with a sudden urge to run again. “For the good of the people of the great state of Texas…”
*shudder*
It would be horrible.
Trex innocent? Sadly, no…
Fabulous? Oui!!
Of course I’m innocent.
Pure as driven slush.
TRex, that’s what’s great about this country:
you’re innocent until proven giddy.
As I remember the Bugman pissed off his supporters when he claimed his campaign money for his legal defense. May have a hard time raising more!
Well, I’ve given myself an assignment for tomorrow. I’m calling Senator Boxer’s office to find out when her Connecticut campaigning is scheduled. Inquiring poodles want to know.
Ok folks gonna try to sleep. Ambien take me awayyyy…night boys (and BarbB) thanks for the company.
Teddy?
Can you go to my name link and email me an email addy for you?
Whew. Finally caught up on the threads. Today was a busy busy day on the lake.
This may be one of the polls that made Lieberman start the petitions to run as an independent.
“But an internal Democratic poll of Connecticut Jews sees Lamont leading by 50 percent to 41 percent, JTA has learned. The sample was small, but the results were a dramatic departure from the 90-plus approval rating Lieberman scored among Jews after Al Gore named him as his running mate in 2000.”
(via Josh Marshall)
I wonder what other poll numbers are lurking out there showing Lamont doing very well.
TRex,
Photoshopped or not, that is one disturbing photo! To be honest, his natural photo is disturbing in all his smiling-fakery, but the dimensions you (or someone) has added really takes gross to new levels.
I must say though, I don’t expect Tommy’s district to default to blue. I expect his home-grown to vote for him anyway, and then the legal arguments will ensue. I could be wrong. Lord knows, that has happened many times before. Texas really does seem like a third world country to this NW cricket, sometimes.
On the Lieberman front, from what I understand he could still come up with the necessary numbers in the primary. Really, I hope not, because i think he is soooooo out of touch with the cause and effect of the real world. Until his statements on the Sunday morning circuit became inane, I looked forward to a prominant Democrat’s participation. It did not take long before I was yelling at the teevee when his prepared soundbytes were recited. What a tool. And what a shame that this was someone who was supposed to be in a position to hold the administration accountable. Connecticut must feel so disappointed. Talk about representation without representation. (Okay, I just made that phrase up, but it makes the most sense to me.)
Too bad we all can’t register to vote in Texas and Connecticut. Fingers crossed.
To be honest, his natural photo is disturbing in all his smiling-fakery, but the dimensions you (or someone) has added really takes gross to new levels.
I found it on google image search and then when I went back to credit it, I couldn’t find it again. If anyone knows who made it, let me know, so we can post their name.
Barbara Boxer NOT getting it about Rape Gurney Joe and choice:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..ry_id=6811
Did Jane ever post her impressions of the debate tonight? I’m still working my way through the earlier comments, but I haven’t seen anything from her.
OT, but it seems some over at redstate feel that the First Amendment, as a tool of the “terraists” donchaknow, has just plain outlived its usefulness:
Is freedom of the press outdated?
The First Amendment, granting freedom of the press, was ratified in 1791. This is generally understood to mean that the government cannot control what “the press” prints, says, etc.
Surely the founders did not want the government stopping newspapers from criticizing them. But with our newspapers increasing doing the legwork of the intelligence-gathering branches of the enemies of America, is this protection outdated? While protecting small papers that had America’s best interests in mind was a good idea, is it similarly a good idea to Constitutionally protect worldwide instantaneous distribution of information that damages the national security of the United States?
Perhaps in the interest of America’s survival, it is time to reconsider the First Amendment.
http://rsdude8472.redstate.com…..35415/3533
neurokosius – not yet : )
Good night, aaairrybody. I’m tired. It’s late here.
Hope you all are well and happy.
TSF 200 – darn it, I thought Babs had seen the light and backed off supporting HoJo. She just doesn’t get it.
everhopeful
May the redstaters rot for eternity in a hell presided over by a despot who has no more respect for the Bill of Rights than they do.
sleep well counting lamb TRex.
neuro – other than the live blogging, I don’t think so
Is it possible that some rabid lamb blogger is hacking redstate’s site and posting strawman arguments in their name?
TSF – I’m betting that article is ancient history.
neurophius #206: AMEN!
ES, AR: the posting is dated July 06 2006 at 12:08 PM; time flies in the blogosphere!
Eureka
I guess I’d better get on the Kosphone and order her to do it.
Everhopeful @ 202
I guess the 1st was next…
Funny, though – Dems had Legislative and Executive advantages for quite a while, and we never took their F’ing guns away.
TeddySanFran at 177 — another good quote from the Post article:
Boxer is in between a rock and a hard place. The answer for her is obvious. I think the most she will do is wait for poll results from the debate. Not that it makes any difference to progressives. She has to bow out.
I’m going to retire for some light bedtime reading: Seymour Hersh’s latest in the New Yorker (”The military’s dissent on Iran policy”).
bonne nuit, nedsters
punaise – speed of light, amazing.
neurophius – order me a kosmalt.
nite naise
punaise @ rest…
The stuff of nightmares! Night.
FUCK Fitz, whoever has the script running supporting the guy at the top of every comment section–the guy who got rolled by the Traitors should please–take this off the blog.
everhopeful at 11:37 pm – Oh geez, that’s just sad. Must be tough being a wing-nut. But, as we all know, you build the argument out of the straw you have, not the straw you’d like to have.
one for the road – mediocre article in salon.com:
punaise
salon said: “Lieberman, who had honed his aggressive instincts in more than a dozen debates with his Democratic rivals during his sputtering 2004 presidential bid, rattled off a series of attack lines against Lamont hoping that one would stick.”
As I said somewhere earlier tonight, I think the shit Loserman flung at Ned didn’t stick to Ned, it just got Loserman’s hands dirty.
Hello for a minute, nightpups. Got family in town and hardly a moment for FDL. Hi Teddy! Is Hope asleep yet? Sweet dreams, Turtle.
Has anyone said whether Needle*ick the Bugfu**er will run in Virginia or if he’ll go on welfare?
OT – I need some help framing a Google search question. I’ve had no luck with my lame frames so far. Can someone help?
I want to find what’s been written about the idea that America is getting too large to govern effectively and maybe we should think about and plan for a change when the big CATASTROPHE hits, in whatever form.
Like dividing it into quadrants or half or thirds and having regional administrations. I know, I know, two or three or four additional large bureaucracies are no ones notion of a good idea right now, but who the hell knows what “interesting times” will happen in the next generations. It may even be sooner than that; I take heart from Gore’s tipping point prayer.
I’m not so good at asking Mr. Google, though. Variations on “Is America too big to govern” yield a sticky mess that contains nothing I need.
Got ideas? May fall asleep before you can finish typing but I’ll check back.
PS Yipee! Reading on a new wireless network at home! God bless my little brother. Also yipee, kitten sitting for a few weeks a fabulous 8 wk old Siamese male. I’m trying to figure out how to convince the owners it ran away ;-). i’m so in love with this little kittaine!
…the bugman looks like Phyllis Diller with a dye job…just came in from the hill and it looks like jupiter is hanging off the edge of the moon (in Scorpio)…and I see suzanne just arrived sounding out of breath…by the time I get caught up with the thread everyone goes to bed…I am so glad to have Ned take the spotlight because for all these years it has been Bush, Bush and more Bush…I don’t remember any president being so down our throats every minute of every day brainwashing the multitudes…
spiderpaws
Too much light pollution in SF Bay Area! Give anything to be living in the boonies again. Small terrestrial scope, couple of lawn chairs, red wine.
spiderpaws
What do Lamont’s and Loserman’s charts look like tonight?
Hey spider (waving)
newtonusr – stars? we don’t need no stinking stars!
….yes, light pollution over the top…try driving out the Petaluma/Novato back road and parking by the cow pastures there…
…I’ll look through my piles for Joe’s chart but I feel sure I don’t have one for Ned…anyone have any birth stats for him? Need date, place and time…
…spinning you into a nice web suzanne…
hmmm initial search found this but no time of birth:
a Senator from Connecticut; born in Stamford, Fairfield County, Ct., February 24, 1942;
Mommybrain @ 12:05 am (#225) – Here’s a proposal I ran into a while back. It’s a bit terse, but I think it has the basics down:
http://www.dack.com/archive/2004q4.html#1104
Might want to put down your drink before reading.
…I can do something with that, suzanne, tho not as accurate if you don’t have the time…be right back, have to check my hundred year ephemeris…
spiderpaws @ 231
Usually go over to Half Moon Bay, but it’s been cloudy lately; also HWY 1 is closed north of there, so traffic’s a bitch. I used to live in Davis in the 80’s. Talk about a sky!
Mommybrain @ 230
It’s the planets that get me!
Have too many redwoods around me to make much use of my telescope. Also, the fog tends to roll in and wipe out my little pie slice of sky I can see.
spider, I’m still searching for that time and look what I just found:
A source close to his family gives a birth time of 7:00 am EWT
Suzanne @ 12:28 am (#238) Summer’s about the only good time to see stars here in the Pacific NW. Of course, there’s often a good deal of haze, but the clouds aren’t nearly as common as they are the rest of the year.
From the Dragnet remake with Dan Akroyd:
Sgt. Friday and his virginal girlfriend are sitting at an overlook on Mulholland Drive, the miles and miles of twinkling lights setting the mood. GF sighs and leans back, saying “Just look at the stars. Why, there must be dozens of them!”
Cujo350 – Thanks for the warning. Egads, California with few Republicans. My idea of paradise.
spiderpaws
I searched for Lamont’s birthday but all I can find is that he was born in 1952. Not much help.
Thanks, TeddySF. I prefer to think of it as talking Elizabethan (the First, not the Second) but dirty works too. And HopeSaT, I always appreciate your contributions, too, and I thank you for the compliment.
About DeLay — I don’t think his lawyers really get what federal judges do for a living. Maybe they thought a Republican appointee would be a cakewalk for them, but as it turns out, not so much. I haven’t read the opinion, but the news accounts all say that the judge took a literal (i.e. strict constructionist) view of the Constitution. The Constitution says that DeLay is eligible to be elected in Texas if he’s an “inhabitant” of his district on election day. DeLay can’t prove in July that he won’t be an “inhabitant” in November. DeLay loses.
Bugman’s lawyers will no doubt appeal, but this is what I don’t think they get: federal judges make decisions about who is a bona fide resident of where (and when) all the time. It’s a requirement of diversity jurisdiction, where the plaintiff and defendant must be citizens of different states. Now, in an ordinary lawsuit, the “when” is the day the suit was filed, not some date in the future, but federal courts are perfectly comfortable with looking at the evidence and reaching a conclusion about domicile.
And they sure know that there’s a difference between saying you live in Virginia and actually being a resident of Virginia — and that judge didn’t believe that DeLay ever really moved. Lots of luck getting that overturned on appeal, Mr. Exterminator. Even if the 5th Circuit decides that the trial judge used the wrong date — which I suppose it could — the case will go back to a judge who already doesn’t believe anything DeLay says. This should be fun.
Liebersnark (Lieberhumor?) from the Palm Beach Post:
Pulling a Lieberman, “Historic preservation – on a personal level.”
well here’s what I’ve got so far -without the time but I will erect a chart with that 7 AM time before I go back up the hill:
Lamont is very good with other people’s money and can handle things like petroleum (or any liquid) very well…jupiter is conjunct his moon in gemini – not too shabby having the lucky planet next to your natal moon (more on that later)…also mars seems to be conjunct uranus and saturn which is an interesting aspect and with the time factored in we will be able to see what house they fall into…he feels comfortable in the bright lights and can handle business, whatever it may be, ON HIS OWN thank you very much…a guy who doesn’t need a bunch of hangers on and assistants…this guy when left alone goes right into day dreams and does a LOT of heavy thinking…likes to travel around and really enjoys a good time…he is a dreamer though not as dreamy as Gore…likes domesticity which helps curb his natural reslessness…strong sense of fairness with almost everyone…I could like this guy
JWR
That was funny.
Spidey, the date and time I gave you were Lieberman’s… sorry, I typed Lamont on my comment with the time…
I’m so sorry for my error.
Hey! There’s a new thread up there:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/07/hey-rubes/
…neuro: suzanne got a different date – 1942…????? waddya think you guys? 1952 or 1942? lemme know before I go hog wild…
“Magazine startup after six months…And a ‘Where are they now?’ segment on Hardball when you get out…That’s our final offer!”
;>)
It’s a Roger Ailes thread about Joe Klein… bonus late night
….AArrrrrgghhhhh!!!!!!!!!!…and here I was liking the f***ing guy and it was f***ing Joe???????????? Puleeeez!!!!!!!!
newtonusr – I got a kick out of the “turning over his life to the Baby Jesus” line.
yeah spider… although i found another source that allegedly quotes leaverman’s mother placing his time of birth around 3am…. maybe that will make a huge difference (fingers and toes crossed)
Darkblack
Underline…
Whoops
test
HCourant’s Who Won? poll currently at 109 responses.
Lieberman 33%
Lamont 46.8%
Draw 6.4%
Didn’t watch 13.8%
Redshift 11:08 pm — thank you for following that for me. Believe me, I was quite worried about that. It was an obvious “gimme” from the debate.
I know it’s a little late in the thread but if anyone would like to watch the full version of the documentary about Tom Delay stealing Congress…
http://getintheirface.blogspot…..delay.html
What a douchebag!
I think “Bugman” is being too kind to Delay. “Bugboy” is a bit more dismissive.
were charges dropped when DeLay left texas?
if so why? Kenny boy has a fairly good excuse
TOM can’t use that excuse.