The Gang of 14 still hangs together. Once again they collectively flip the bird to the Democratic party:
"I will support Joe Lieberman for the primary and beyond the primary," Salazar said Wednesday. "I appreciate his strong stance of independence. We need more senators like Joe Lieberman."
Salazar plans to campaign with Lieberman in Connecticut on July 30.
Salazar and Lieberman both were part of a bipartisan "gang of 14" senators who played a role in ending the flap over judicial filibusters, and they’ve formed another "gang" focused on ways of promoting energy independence.
If there is another vacancy on the Supreme Court during the next two years of the seemingly never-ending Bush Junta, we’ll be in Alito-ville again, courtesy of Ken Salazar. These guys have no idea what they’ve done to this country and they don’t care. They think of themselves as courageous independents when they’re really just hand jobbing the bullies. Salazar’s just scared that Dobson’s going to show up at his ice cream stand again, he’ll always wave through his fundie freak judges. What does he care?
He just doesn’t want to be the only one.
Note in calendar…July 30…Mr. Softee comes to town…
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Fitz! Joey bag o donuts!
Fitz!
The Face of the Demon.
sort of on topic this time
I’ve Been suspicious of all the immigrant stirring and what its hidden purpose could be over the past months. For example if Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador takes his rightful place as President of Mexico and recalls Laborers with a promise of FDR type work programs and employment, immigrant haters in the U.S. would be taught an expensive lesson (but you asked for it). Low paying jobs are not necessarily unskilled, those who pick our fruits for example tend to the trees and orchards and pass their knowledge down, we no longer have this knowledge. This example of those who tend to orchards applies to much of the work done by Mexicans; farm and corporate management understand their importance. Bloomberg should know:
“NYC Mayor Says U.S. Depends on Immigrants”
http://www.forbes.com/work/fee…..59726.html
What then is the purpose for the administration to pipe hatred of immigrants “Mexicans” to the mass media. I don’t buy the shore up the hatred base partly because I’ve heard as many dems. up in bunches when it comes to immigrants. I do wonder if it is some sort of insurance policy if shit hits the fan with Obrador. Preaching immigrant blather does seem to belittle Mexico and it’s ability to govern itself. If Bushistas intervened a little in an Obrador gov. would it be so wrong? After all Mexicans are akin to children and there’s this immigration problem. Further, Hugo Obrador can not be allowed to control so much U.S. interests in oil.
More likely Mexico has important lessons to teach the U.S. ie. fight for your rightfully elected government with (all) means available, return power to the majority, most of all it can be done. A successful social government is a hell of a lot more attractive than bushista fascism.
JANE!
they’re really just hand jobbing the bullies.
That literary metaphor is Pulitzer-worthy.
I just can’t believe this. What’s next? I am beyond gobsmacked.
Hillary draws a line:
ALBANY, N.Y. – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a longtime supporter of Sen. Joseph Lieberman, said Tuesday she will not back the Connecticut Democrat’s bid for re-election if he loses their party’s primary.
“I’ve known Joe Lieberman for more than thirty years. I have been pleased to support him in his campaign for re-election, and hope that he is our party’s nominee,” the former first lady said in a statement issued by aides.
“But I want to be clear that I will support the nominee chosen by Connecticut Democrats in their primary,” the New York Democrat added. “I believe in the Democratic Party, and I believe we must honor the decisions made by Democratic primary voters.”
There was no immediate comment from Lieberman
Mr. Softee!
Mr. Softee gets a hand job?
Sounds like long, fruitless work. . .
Dover Bitch @ 7
I thought this was about Joe, not Rush . . .
NED!!!
Sharpen the knives. These DINOs have to learn their lesson the hard way.
Ya know, I am looking forward to this fight even more than I was to the nuclear showdown over Roberts or Alito. It’s time to take back the party, and it’s going to be messy.
Hi, Jane!
EPU’d
Hi kids, just peeking in for a sec. Biden I can see, he’s tone deaf (esp when listening to himself). I think Barbara can be influenced by the netroots, we just need to continue the outreach. Biden won’t care, he’s never shown any interest in what we think. Might be good to contact Pelosi too, Yes?
Sweet Dreams, have to sleep early tonight, still feelin kind of funky
ps, I knew someone who faked his death to get out of Viet Nam. It’s not easy and particularly when you’re as well-known as this guy with the law involved. Ken Lay just had the big one and died. It does happen.
pps reminder about Fresh Air, with Jane Mayer re: Addington, it’s on in Boston now
http://www.wbur.org/listen/
Just EPU’ed: Of course Salazar’s supporting Joe as an Independent – he may have to do the same thing someday.
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Wait. No I’m not.
NED!
pach 9 — I think Mr. Softee’s the one giving the hand job, but equally uninspiring.
This CT primary is forcing a lot of people to declare their colors, and I hope they realize we are taking notes and will not forget. Ever.
pach 9 — I think Mr. Softee’s the one giving the hand job, but equally uninspiring.
I expect Joe will still manage to cone…
Peterr,
A lesson in blogging I’ve learned over and over again… when you have an idea to write something, get it online or someone else will beat you to it.
I’ve had a Mr. Softee themed post bouncing around in my head for about three weeks. Guess I’ll file that away for good.
I used to think that it was only the rethugs who held their voters in contempt. Now I see more proof that the entire system is rigged against the will of the people.
I have a friend who taught civics/history for 25 years he used to say the one thing he wanted his students, working class, not middle clas working class whites and blacks to understand when they left that school was that the system is fixed against them. Here is a perfect example of why he was right.
Or, less, er, blue: Mr. Softee is a Joementum cone.
Iwas just planning my signs and questions for the plagerist with the hairplugs on Monday and now you’re giving me homework for July 30th.
Oh well,at least ctBob will be home from Vacation to share in the fun.
Eli beat me to it — these ill-advised shows of support for Lieberman are being done out of fear for their own hides — “stand together, or fall individually”-type of thing.
All of them are as compromised as Lieberman is, and they’re afraid that if they don’t block this movement to eliminate Joe, then the same fate awaits them too.
They’re not being loyal to him, they’re covering their own asses.
Sorry if someone has commented on this:
Steve Clemons can snark.
Max Baucus Dangerous?? Come on. . .
“The editors of The New Republic have just pilloried Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) for his close deal-making with the White House and Republicans on various tax and finance related bills. Maybe he does deserve some knocking around, but the Montana rancher is only following in the footsteps of other centrist type Dems like John Breaux and Bill Bradley — and comes nowhere close to being “as dangerous” as Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson have been to the Democrats.
Max Baucus wasn’t smooched by President Bush at a State of the Union speech after all.”
http://thewashingtonnote.com/
all hat – no addle
Yutz?
How about Putz?
And to think I sent Salazar money for his race. Never again.
rw, thanks for the 5:59.
Your “show up at his ice cream stand…” link takes me to a Rocky Mountain News story about an Aspen architect killed in a plane crash.
Wha?
Lieberman is imploding and he is bringing home all of his chits. It isn’t pretty but it is a fact. Lieberman, Salazar and Biden always look out for themselves and no one else.
Still, the encouraging news is that Lieberman is fast becoming a laughing stock which is the surest path to political oblivion.
Read “Lieberman Stock Trading At Record Lows” at:
http://assimilatedpress.blogspot.com/
ctkeith 22 — yes we are all looking forward to the return of ctBob. I bet he’s going crazy on that boat. I hope he will having some fun anyway.
BTW — I heard Biden tomorrow. No?
All of them are as compromised as Lieberman is, and they’re afraid that if they don’t block this movement to eliminate Joe, then the same fate awaits them too.
They’re not being loyal to him, they’re covering their own asses.
It makes sense for Salazar and Biden, but Boxer??? I’m still mystified by this.
When I was akid, our neighborhood had the ubiquitous Mr. Softee truck. Down the road it would go, “ding…ding…ding.” Nothing fancy, just that “ding…ding…ding.” I loved the brown cow — chocolate milkshake made with softserve vanilla ice cream and chocolate syrup. we always called the truck driver — usually some 19 or so kid with acne — “Softee.”
One summer, there was a softee card give away. You got a card with each big item — like the double tower cone or a shake ($.65). The idea was that if you got all 20 cards (4X5), they would make a picture of Mr. Softee. And if you did that, you got a free banana split. But no one ever got the last piece, which was the eyes of Mr. Softee.
RevDeb #26:
Sen. Schmuck fronts for Sen. Putz?
Entirely too accurate.
Mr. Softee Bobblehead
But no one ever got the last piece, which was the eyes of Mr. Softee.
I think that was a horror movie…
Jane, my ambition is to understand half of your allusions within a year or so. Yutz?
RevDeb — check e-mail; we need address for tomorrow night; bringing cocktail weenies from Trader Joes.
It makes sense for Salazar and Biden, but Boxer??? I’m still mystified by this.
Maybe she’s bought into the notion that this is all being incited by some crazed horde of ideologues, in whose eyes no senator would be able to pass the purity test.
Eli @ 30
Me too. DiFi I could understand, as she’s always been more of a corporate gal, but Boxer?
Explanations, anyone?
Jane,
I wonder, would it be helpful for the firepups to join you in New Haven for an event before the primary?
Explanations, anyone?
My theory was that it was due to Joe’s extraordinary sexual magnetism, but I think it made Jane throw up in her mouth a little.
Coming home tonight, whoever was on AirAmerica said that we should call the Korean missiles “Limbaughs” since they were only able to stay up for about 42 seconds…
Giggled the rest of the way up my street.
Salazar was one of the few bright spots for me after the 2004 election. I knew he would be a conservative Dem, but I was okay with that. So long as he was a Dem. I was so happy with him for standing up to Dobson shortly after the election…
Then came Alito and now this.
Yuch.
When I was a kid the ice cream truck had popsickles for 5 cents and ice cream bars for 10 cents. After we finished our ice cream we would sharpen our popsickle sticks on the sidewalk and pretend they were knives.
Scarcrow,
Yutz. (yutz) n. a hapless, clueless, annoying socially clumsy guy ; )
http://www.hebrew4christians.c…..words.html
WATB a yutz, you ask? Well…
Yutz. (yutz) n. a hapless, clueless, annoying socially clumsy guy ; )
Where’s my picture? I don’t see my picture!
Eli #31
“It makes sense for Salazar and Biden, but Boxer???”
It’s about being members of the club. Their first loyalty is to it, i.e. each other, and not us.
Salazar and his pathetic fear of Dobson is exactly why the Obama sermon on Democrats’ needing to “reach out” to evangelicals pissed me off to no end. The last thing I want to hear is more spineless, mewling appeasement of deranged fundamentalist snake-handlers who are literally out to destroy me and everything I admire about our country.
Head’s up, Beltway Porcellians: the game is played for blood. Play it accordingly.
These guys have no idea what they’ve done to this country and they don’t care.
“The Mod Squad”…
Linc would not put up with this.
Slothrop — link fixed.
Scarecrow — yutz: Yiddish, “a hapless, clueless, annoying socially clumsy guy.”
(a “putz” is just a prick. He’s that too.)
anne at 41: hilarious
The references to the “gang of 14″ made me wonder where Senators Byrd and Inouye are on this whole CT fiasco. Given Byrd’s vision of the high office of the Senate (esp vis-a-vis the executive) and Inouye’s experience with executive misconduct (Can you say “Watergate”? Sure you can . . . ), I have a hard time seeing how either would be pleased with Joe’s support for Dubya these days.
Perhaps some correspondence with these two may help bring about the demise of the gang of 14.
What must always be kept in mind is the fact that these are the pwople who WANT the Democrats to remain out of power.
They LIKE their second-rank status and will KILL to keep it.
And I’m not being metaphorical.
ember 39 — I am trying to put together an evening in New Haven soon. I was hoping this weekend and then it all got crazy so I’m thinking of next week. I’ll try to announce something either tomorrow or Friday.
Markos is keeping score:
al-scooter 33
touchee.
scarecrow, 36
already answered. check your e-mail.
Yep he is just another Ben Nighthorse Campbell who sided his whole damm life with big shotttt’s$$$$ I say this because I was born right here in good OLE Colo. First you get elected as a DEM. then do a switch a roo and go Rep.but maybe he will do like HO lee Joe and keep the D.
Ice cream stand? The story that’s at that link is about a plane crash.
Joe: the host-putz with the most-yutz
would love to know time and place for any connecticut events with joe and the three amigos (or amigas as the case may be)
Ice cream, you scream, we all scream at Boxer.
I also agree that if the Gang of 14 couldn’t draw the line at Alito, they aren’t going to draw it anywhere.
Boxer is my Senator. I too am baffled. I guess it just shows the old boy network trumps issues every time.
Perhaps there’s some personal favor she owes Joe, but (and this one’s for Bill W.) she needs to put principles before personalities.
Is Senator Barbara Boxer a member of the Jewish religion?
Ghostman
I also agree that if the Gang of 14 couldn’t draw the line at Alito, they aren’t going to draw it anywhere.
That whole compromise was just a scam to get more unacceptable judges confirmed.
We had Bungalow Bar and JudyAnn trucks selling ice cream in our neighborhood….and the balloon man and the knife sharpener and others.
I don’t suppose Tennessee Al has weighed in on his former running mate. I have a hard time seeing him saying “Yeah, that’s about right” after hearing Joe’s “rape victims” comment.
If I’m right, and Ned could get Al to chip in his two cents, that would really make things interesting for Boxer & Co.
EPU’d:
Coming attractions: The Dink With Two Heads…They’ll butter your popcorn.
;>)
Chisholm #47
“Head’s up, Beltway Porcellians: the game is played for blood. Play it accordingly.”
Johnny Ringo: Isn’t anyone here man enough to play for blood?
Doc Holliday: I beg to differ, sir. We started a game we never got to finish. “Play For Blood” – remember?
Tombstone (1993)
Cozumel — just as I feared; I resemble that remark!
As for Boxer explanation. I assume most Dem Senators, whatever their differnences, see themselves as under seige. Common enemy makes strange allies. And most Dems are only fighting one war — Republican rule; we are fighting two: Republican and non-progressive rule. But I think/hope Boxer can be moved to at least Hillary’s position (now that’s ironic, isn’t it?), and given the women’s issues, etc., I’m hopeful she can quietly back out of major public display for L. I would not expect a public repudiation, however.
“Ice cream stand? The story that’s at that link is about a plane crash.”
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Not the Ice Cream! Ahhhh the Humanity!
Lina
This is OT and from a question you asked about Robert Shea days ago. The Saracen YES! Loved it. Peculiar considering the times and the topic….
Punaise — I was away from the screen for a little while and missed your previous reply that you were from LG too. Well, how ’bout that? I’d ask you whether we went to school together, but I’ve seen your picture. Maybe I went to school with your parents. When my family first moved there, there were 4907 residents. It was still Blossom Valley. You could see across it to the observatory on top of Mt. Hamilton. You may have lived there pre-Silicon Valley, but I lived there pre-smog. But then, as I keep reminding people, I’m old (albeit incredibly well preserved.) :>)
I understand Dem. Senators wanting to keep quiet during the primary contest and making a statements like Feingold made on MTP. And I don’t expect Al Gore to say anything negative about his former running mate.
But all this bs about wondering who to support AFTER the primary is astonishing. I knew they were corroded in their cronyism, but this surprised me.
Salazar is my senator, and I hate him.
Ghostman –
ding, ding, ding – we have a winner.
According to Congress.org, Boxer is Jewish and born in Brooklyn to boot. That may be the answer to my call for explanation.
Of course, an explanation is not an excuse. It merely attempts to describe why something is the case, not justify why it is right (or wrong).
Make no mistake: Boxer’s wrong on this one.
Ghostman: Boxer is Jewish but Salazar and Biden are both Catholic — do they figure Lieberman can get them a bargain on a submarine for the Pope to send up the Potomac?
OT — I am in a hotel this evening in NYC because I am going to be on the VIEW tomorrow. Yes, meow — but I’m not one to turn down the opportunity to teach about health on national TV. My producer is great.
The show is live 11am-noon Eastern on ABC check your local station for listings, or http://www.abc.com/theview. I will probably be on about half-way through. The other guests are Lauren Hutton and Alonzo Mourning (which is great because he won the NBA title with the Miami Heat last month — after having a kidney transplant)
If you can bear it, please tune in! I’m talking about tips for kids summer health — bug bites, bee stings, sunburn, etc.
After being ignored in presidential elections, it is nice to see CT as the heart of the political universe for a change. The skies are brighter just knowing Jane and the guys are here.
Back to your regularly scheduled snark.
BarbaraB 73 – I’ll drop back to the previous thread. don’t want to hijack this one… :~)
Jane,
PS — Is it possible to get Salazar (through his people) to agree that what he meant to say was the he supported Joe in the primary and beyond because he is confident that Joe will win But also get him to say that if Joe loses he will support the Dem candidate. I suspect a little push-back will get Salazar to the Schumer position of “I am confident he will win the primary” and nothing more.
imm: I went looking for other books by him after I read those two, only to find he died in 1994. Sad for a hist. fiction freak like me. When I find a good author, I want them to write forever.
When I find a good author, I want them to write forever.
Octavia Butler. Sigh.
They seem to be jumping onto the McCain bandwagon of “perceived independence.”
While we do need people willing to work out differences and make real compromises, we certainly don’t need self serving worms playing both sides against their fat little middles.
http://politicalwire.com/archi…..erman.html
When I find a good author, I want them to write forever.
Wallace Stegner. Dead. At least he wrote a lot of books.
Hmmmm. Very interesting. I tend to agree with everything the good Reverend, Peterr, says in 76. I’m seeing some sunlight on this now. Oh, and wilson, you wrote about the sub up the potomac awhile back? That line STILL cracks me up!
Ghostman
They seem to be jumping onto the McCain bandwagon of “perceived independence.”
I have a note for Joe, Joe, Ken, et al:
Capitulation is not independence.
history/philosophy/psychedelic drug experimentation.
What’s not to like? Puts The Da Vinci Code’s ideas to shame
Religious Affiliation list of the US Senate, from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R…..tes_Senate
*ilson @ 82
I thought I’d heard something like that . . . good for Al! Now if he could give Barbara Boxer a phone call . . .
shoogarp 84 – I loved “Angle of Repose” by Stegner.
Holy Joe’s campaign theme song
Sorry there’re popups but it’s so a propos for Joe
OT — sorry if this gets posted twice — I am in a hotel in NYC with their wireless. Just wanted to let everybody know I will be on the VIEW tomorrow — live 11a-noon Eastern. I’m the nurse talking about managing kids’ bites and stings and sunburn and cuts and scrapes.
I’ll never pass up an opportunity to teach about health issues on national TV!
“Tipper canoe and Tyler, too”
I’ll say it again. If Boxer were a lightbulb, she’d be 5 watts. She’s not the shiniest coin in the fountain. She’s a taco short of a combo platter. She couldn’t find her ass with both hands. She lacks astuteness.
Dick Cheney is all brain and no heart. Barbara Boxer is all heart and no brain. Russ Feingold is all heart and all brain.
We Democrats have GOT to nominate better people than Lieberman, Biden, Salazar, Feinstein, and Boxer. These morons are killing us.
Capitulation is not independence.
Well said.
How ya doin Eli?
Pretty good, bill. Bit cranky, but that’s normal.
You?
I just sent the following email to Boxer:
Have you lost your mind supporting Joe Lieberman. It ain’t just the war that he is in trouble over.
“Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for “principled reasons” shouldn’t be forced to do so.
“In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital,” he said.
Well Joe, that’s not very helpful. I mean, I know that you’ll never need emergency contraception at two o’clock in the morning after having been brutally raped. So I guess it’s easy for you to disregard any woman who is unlucky enough to have gone through that trauma.”
Connecticut Bob
And the fact that he has been kissing Bush full on the mouth for six years now.
Punaise #89 -
“Angle of Repose” is one of my favorite books. It reminds me of “East of Eden” which is also a fave.
I am an unreconstructed Pynchon fan, myself.
Jane,
Info I have says Biden in CT on Monday.
Isn’t it halarious that Liebermans asking his fellow Senators to come to his home state to help him but not posting when and where they’ll be,LMAO.
Liebermans people finally figured out ALL THE CT PRESS leaks to the bloggers as soon as he tells them anything (OK, Lieberman still has Ray Hackett).
It may happen soon that the only Cameras at Lieberman events are being Held by Bloggers.Liebermans treated the Traditional media like shit for so long they love seeing him squirm.
OT – (but couldn’t resist) On Ken Lay’s death: Do we know his death was of “natural causes?” There are an aweful lot of people who would love for him not to have come to trial…. Heart Attacks can be promoted…..
ctkeith
It’s funny you say that about how Lieberman treats the press — I am curious, what are his constituent services like? In Massachusetts, Kennedy’s people will do anything they can for anyone. Kerry’s staff just gives everyone the high hard one. No one here likes him and he is also susceptible to an internal State challenge.
Very well thanks. Spent the last few days at the beach with my daughter’s family. Had a ball. Now I’m primed for a really bad movie.
I’ll say it again. If Boxer were a lightbulb, she’d be 5 watts
she’s a compact fluoresecent: energy efficient perhaps, but puts out a bland light that flickers.
The Da Vinci Code is to historical fiction what sitcoms are to Masterpiece Theatre.
Citing the damage to the Connecticut Democratic Party, the national party, and the importation of DINOs are distractions meant to redirect voters away from the fact that Lieberman has no record to run on, which is to say he does have a record just not one that most Connecticut Democrats would be happy with.
The use of the word independent is also interesting since it sets up his run outside the Democratic Party and at the same time tries to put a positive spin on the fact that he hasn’t been just independent of the Democratic Party but of Connecticut voters who sent him to the Senate. Most of us would call that doing a bad job of representing your constituents.
Very well thanks. Spent the last few days at the beach with my daughter’s family. Had a ball. Now I’m primed for a really bad movie.
I recommend Komodo Vs. Cobra, starring Michael Pare and Jerri Manthey of Survivor.
Or possibly Corin (Parker Lewis) Nemec in Mansquito…
Ghostman: The Jewish link makes perfect sense to me. My neighbor is a single Jewish girl from CT who made it clear to me she would vote for Joe just based on that alone…
ppp #4 – Very good post.
I heard something on the radio the other day that clarified for me the point you’re making above. A wingnut was debating a labor leader when this very topic came up.
The wingnut, trying to emphasize that this is “unskilled” labor we’re talking about and that plenty of Americans would be willing and able to do it said the following… “I mean how hard can it be to pick grapes for crying out loud?”
The labor leader who had a latino accent said, “You don’t pick grapes, you cut a bunch of them and I think if you made such a riduclous and un-informed statement to a Napa Valley Vineyard owner, you’d get an ear full addressing your stupidity!” Smack…
Not only was it fun listening to such a beautiful verbal smackdown of someone crying out for it. It suddenly made me realize the importance of the point you were making above. The term “unskilled labor” applies to so few jobs it’s scary. Tell a carpenter that he’s unskilled. Or a mason for that matter. Tell an orange grower that all he does is plant seeds and pick fruit…
I know this has been off-topic but ppp’s post at #4 brought up a great point that I think is an important one to make.
I want them to write forever.
alas
The glass is raised to Patrick O’Brien.
Is that an asshat you are wearing?
Seriously, my kingdon for a senator with a set of balls…(i’d settle for convictions)
The Gambino’s got these guys on the run, they just don’t understand the game that is being played. Keep compromising until there is nothing left to bargain with. As Jean Luc said, “The line must be drawn here…this far, no farther!”
oops… Sorry for messing up the html. I should have previewed it. :(
110: thanks
The economy of the country’s largest city and the entire nation would collapse if illegal immigrants were deported en masse, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told a Senate committee hearing Wednesday.
link on #4
Just watched Mansquito a couple days ago. Brilliantly pathetic.
imm: Thomas Pynchon? I haven’t read any. His subject matter is a little too contemporary for me. I rarely venture into the 20th century.
Just watched Mansquito a couple days ago. Brilliantly pathetic.
My breath always catches in my throat when that majestic creature takes wing for the first time. So graceful.
You’ve seen The Fallen Ones, yes?
107, uniquely tim: Wow. A single female will vote for Lieberman and his record on treatment for rape victims? Wow. I worry that Lamont has a much tougher road ahead than many here realize.
Ghostman
What kills me about this whole “independent” line people like Lieberman and Salazar like to throw around is it makes it sound like the Democrats problems for the last few years is that it has too monolithic. Democrats have been cracking down with an iron fist against all dissenters, but brave Joe just won’t stand for it!
Bullshit. The Democrats are constantly being undermined by people like this and as a result often don’t act like a party but just a collection of random individuals. Individuals who are going to do whatever the eunich that happens to be whispering in their ear at that moment is telling them to do.
Only the most obtuse or disingenuous would try to make the case that what the Democrats need are more people with different opinions. What the Democrats need is to unite around a set of ideals and then have the cojones to have a real fight with the opposition (not give the opposition some sweet sweet tongue lovin). In other words people that are the exact opposite of Lieberman and Salazar.
107, uniquely tim: Wow. A single female will vote for Lieberman and his record on treatment for rape victims? Wow. I worry that Lamont has a much tougher road ahead than many here realize.
Lamont needs to make sure that every single woman in CT knows *exactly* what Joe thinks of them.
lina, Try Mason and Dixon Fabulous historical metaphorical character development including the English empire’s obsesion with astrological events, paranoid Jesuit technology and raw 18th century fun.
imm 103
you in MA? We’re building bridges to Kerry’s office through the Roots group. Would love to have you along.
I gotta run along now but …
Barbara Boxer is human. As a humanity is prone to sometimes do we make mistakes – this is one.
But one thing I’ll never forget is that she was the only one to stand with the CBC after the 2004 election debacle and open up debate.
Our local grassroots group put on a voting rally to count all the votes, we passed around a petition to Sen. Boxer to stand up to the Bush crime family and my name was the first on the list.
Sometimes late at night I think I had a small part.
She was the one who asked tough questions of Condy Rice, John Bolton(?)
Remind her of your admiration of the things she’s done, but be firm that you’re against her getting involved in the affairs of the Cn. voters
L8r
Pynchon was doing magical realism before magical realism was. As for the Da Vinci Code, I still say Foucault’s Pendulum doing the secret societies thing is better even if doesn’t have an ending. Eco’s works never do.
Errrm, Ct. voters
ctKeith 101 — yes Lieberman has cut off Paul Bass now (or Marion has, anyway). I guess he is not PRAVDA enough.
RevDeb,
OK, I would love to help in any way I can, but I am little compromised because of federal grants I receive/pursue….
John in Sacramento 123 — very good advice.
imm: Thanks!
Except for a few, the Democrat establishment or incumbency hasn’t a clue about what to do with Iraq and is scared shitless that solving the problem will fall into its collective lap. They don’t care whether one of their own is co-dependent on Bush, and that’s why Boxer, Biden, Salazar are willing to support Lieberschmalz. On the other hand, there are 70% of us in the country against this war, and we want solutions not just criticism that the war is being mismanaged. There’s a rough ride ahead.
I sure hope Ned can ask HoJo about “Stop the ACLU,” led by Nedd Kareiva, driving a Jewish family from their home. Jesus’ General has been all over this along with FDL (Christy’s Crazy Doings,) but the traditional media hasn’t picked it up. If it’s in the Lamont/HoJo debate, it’s more likely the traditional media will pick up on it, plus it appears to be an issue that will really hurt HoJo.
watertiger quotes Joe-nertia, on In-Depends-Dunce Day and then two days later:
sure Joe, whatever.
Pynchon was doing magical realism before magical realism was.
Well, in English?
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/marquez.htm
I think what is being done here right now is another test. It reminds me of the Alito vote and how the base literally had to choke the vote out of Obama, but he voted with the base. Feinstein did the same. Salazar must be treated the same way, we need to choke the words out of him…sure let him come to Connecticut to support Lieberman in the primary vote but force him to support the Primary Winner of the Democratic Party.
No surprises where Salazar stands. He is the Senator that gratuitously introduced and endorsed one Alberto Gonzalez for the highest law enforcement position in the land. He’s been a Bushevik for a long time.
Andy Ternay 42 — That was the weird thing. First he stood up to Dobson — booyah — and then he just folded after Dobson picketed his ice cream stand. He just got bullied into submission, I have a hard time buying he suddenly found Alito palatable.
I think the speculation about Boxer’s motives with regards to her common religious background with Lieberman is not, well, kosher :)
Seriously, not to be overly PC here, but I find it creepy when people have motives assigned to them strictly because of their ethnicity/religion.
erik28com #119
I agree “independent” is a way of putting lipstick on the pig. It’s not that he’s been treating his constituents like so many schmucks, no, it’s that he’s independent. When he doesn’t represent the wishes of the voters in his state, he’s being principled.
Biden and Salazar are lost causes, but Boxer? Why don’t we start a phone campaign to her? Let’s tell her she headed toward Hillary ville if she’s not careful.
Imm, 127
No problem, You can party though, yes? We’re gathering at my house (metrowest) for the debate tomorrow. You’re welcome to join us. e-mail me at my name at mac dot com.
We can talk about what you can and cannot do with the group. We’re starting to get to know one another.
erik28com 6:48 pm
Well said!
Same here, 111, O’Brian is the greatest vacation a reader can take
Amen, Sister Dover Bitch! hints of “clannishness” about Jews are particularly queasy-making …
“We need more senators like Joe Lieberman.”
For God’s sake, why?
The fucking republicans already control the senate.
Ms. DB, I think such discussion is HIGHLY relevant. No-one else, thru the past thread, or this one, can come up with any other logical explanation for Boxer’s behavior. If you’ve got a logical explanation, please share.
Ghostman
Ghostman : 117 — I agree. What motivates people varies very widely but I think family and religious identity is incredibly powerful. It took me many years [ I’m 51 now ] to break the cycle of familial expectations. My wife and I have only recently met this young woman and didn’t wish to overwhelm her with counter Lieberman arguments but I’d sure like to put her in touch with some reasons to vote for Lamont without causing a problem. I’d rather keep a good neighbor as they are rare here…
Salazar and Biden are both Catholics — that Church has been horribly anti-Semitic in its past — does that explain why those Senators come to the aid of Joseph Isadore Liebermann ?
immanentize #133
It’s a good point. Although One Hundred Years of Solitude and the Crying of Lot 49 are roughly contemporaneous, it probably has more to do with my exposure to Pynchon before Marquez that made me say that.
Kirby, That is great! Have fun!
Sorry Jane, I’m not buying it about Salazar. He’s my senator, and I think he’s done a great job especially for a freshman. He is not a liberal, but here in Colorado, liberals don’t get elected, moderates do, given the political population breakdown. Salazar is his own man, and I respect that. I disagree with him about Lieberman, but I will not trash the guy because of that disagreement.
Everyone who supports Lieberman is not a traitor who does not care about this country, and everyone who opposes him is not politically perfect, whatever that is.
Got interrupted with a phone call, so this may be totally irrelevant…
First, I just think it’s wrong for BB & S to get involved in a primary election. The voters of Connecticut have a choice, and that choice should be about what is best for Connecticut. When there’s a winner, by all means, bring in whatever support is needed to ensure a Democratic victory in November.
I don’t get – not at all – the rallying around Lieberman, as though he was the epitome of all that the Democratic party is supposed to be about, instead of having been George Bush’s lapdog for the last 6 years.
Why, I wonder, haven’t the three amigos done their homework on Ned Lamont, studied Joe’s votes and positions on the issues, and asked themselves which one of these candidates best represents Connecticut, in particular, and the party in general?
I don’t get the reward system that is in play here – why does a Joe Lieberman, who abandoned the party, and, I believe, abandoned the State of Connecticut, all of a sudden get money and support toward another 6 years of selling out the party? Why does that get rewarded?
Are the Boxers and Salazars and Bidens so out of touch that they don’t understand what it means that the right-wing nutjobs are supporting Lieberman? Apparently so.
I’m glad that Lieberman has friends, but I wish his friends could separate their friendship from what is best for the party, and shut the fuck up – at least until we know who the Democratic candidate will be.
The Israelis are always pointing to the Arabs, the Persians, and others for wanting to push them into the sea. And that may be so. But the Israelis are doing a fair job of trying to bomb the Palestinians out of existence. The difference of course is that it is not a level playing field. The Israeli military is armed to the teeth with the best American weaponry, loads of U.S. grant money and are by far the most nuclear laden country in the Mideast. I have no sympathy for what’s has been, and is being done to the Palestinians. Of all people in the world, Israel should know better.
14 is too many, and probably not enough Lamonts running. Chaffee race in RI is rated a tossup in the dKosopedia. Need to go get more Dems in the Senate.
I have to admit, I am kind of looking forward to the spectacle of Boxer and Biden and Salazar arm-in-arm, singing “Kumbayah” with Limbaugh and Hannity and Coulter…
Dover Bitch, exactly. Being “Jewish” is no more a motivation for personal loyalty than being “Christian” and I don’t see Howard Dean knocking people over to support George Bush. It might be that Boxer and lieberman have some constituency or interest or even past in common, but I can’t find out what it is in the public record.
I suspect it is Senatorial friendship and the general belief in protecting incumbancy. Boxer is a huge target and might feel sympathy for Lieberman. Additionally, let us not pretend that Lieberman is an out and out Republican Senator calling himself a Dem. He is not. He is very good on many issues progressives promote. What makes Lieberman horrific is his smug willingness to undercut the party — and other elected officials in the party — to self-promote his agrandizing notion of “independence” as a value.
Independence qua independence is chasing of the wind.
Kimster 50 — Everyone who supports Lieberman is not a traitor who does not care about this country, and everyone who opposes him is not politically perfect, whatever that is.
Your war against straw is impressive.
Ghostman, how would the absence of a smoking-gun explanation lend additional credibility to the idea that Boxer is supporting Lieberman because they’re both Jewish? Or that she was born in Brooklyn, which is relatively close to Stamford?
Planned Parenthood endorsed Lieberman (wrongly, in my opinion). What’s the reason for that? Are they a Jewish organization?
uniquely_tim, I know personally more than one Jewish Connecticut resident who can’t stand Lieberman and won’t vote for him. Does that mean that Boxer isn’t supporting him because she’s Jewish? Who knows?
My point is that speculation about Boxer’s motives are just that — speculation. But when people start to suggest that certain groups of people are acting only out of some sort of ethnically biased motivation — with only some anecdotal evidence of other people’s actions — that creeps me out and seems more like the kind of talk I’d expect on Michelle Malkin’s blog.
wilson, 145; I don’t yet have a feel on why salazar and biden are in the mix. Must not be a religious tie-in…hmmm. Biden is in the same geographic area….but salazar? I just don’t know.
Ghostman
I’m a Lamont supporter, but I think you’ve all gone nuts. Are any of you planning to put anything like this much energy into unseating any Republicans this November? You have fetishized the Lieberman-Lamont race into a ridiculous parody of a legitimate debate. Of course, Liberman himself, the rest of the media, and many other folks have fallen into this trap. Does anyone out there think that maybe the people of Connecticut might actually be capable of deciding who they would like to represent them in the Senate? I would be insulted if I lived in Connecticut.
later,
jim
kimster at 150 — I think this might be your first post here? If so, WELCOME! to FDL.
{{Jus so y’all know, this is my new concerned person strategy}}
Straw is the enemy. I friggin’ hate straw.
straw bury
putz, yutz, schmutz, whatever. I got my own name for lieberman: likudnik. What’s to argue with that, already?
DB, 157 — yes, always wise not to “paint with wide brushes”. With respect to my young neighbor, i think her youth and current life in Texas perhaps speaks to a lack of awareness of CT current events. This is why I thought, if I get a chance to just point out some information sources, it may be sufficient. She is extremely quick minded – and I’m sure would make a wide decision, given the facts.
It’s strawful.
jim preston #159
“Are any of you planning to put anything like this much energy into unseating any Republicans this November?”
Yes, we are working to unseat Joe Republieberman.
Kimster at 150
Your post is utter nonsense. Salazar is my Senator too. Remember what he campaigned on: “bringing accountability in Iraq”. From Condi Rice to Alberto “Torture Memo” Gonzalez, to refusing to take a stand on Alito, he has not missed a single chance to betray that promise. Now he’s going to desert the party to support the only Democratic Senator who still thinks it was and is a good idea to give George W Bush carte blanche in Iraq, in spite of the facts on the ground, in spite of recent history, in spite of the Constitution.
As for our “population breakdown”, Bush is at about 45% in Colorado, and the gun nuts and the Dobsonites are never going to vote for any Democrat, no matter how aggressively and spinelessly he panders to them, especially not the man who called their Dear Leader the antiChrist. The time when being a gutless apologist for Bush was “moderate” position is long past. The time when opposing the war was “liberal” even moreso.
Salazar is a cheap little opportunistic coward who thinks he can get elected by doing a sad imitation of John McCain. He’s a lame duck.
Well, Ms. DB….we just don’t see eye to eye! But, I think I now understand this Boxer mystery.
Ghostman
Boxer is one of my Senators. I tend to respect her more than DiFi, but they both manage to piss me off pretty regularly hehe. Boxer is usually on the right side of an issue, but she is way wrong on this one. I’ve sent her an angry email about it, but I’m not holding my breath. She made a really insenstive comment about gay marriage just before her last election, which also caused me to fire off an angry email, which never got a reply.
I’m really surprised so many people are willing to get rid of these Incumbocrats, who are more concerned with staying in office than about doing the right things while IN office. I’ve been saying it forever, but usually get yelled at by other bloggers hehe. It’s not a “party purity” issue for me, it’s about populating the Legislature with people who will at least not torpedo the “good fights”…and hopefully will actually fight the good fights.
These Gang of 14 folks seem to be the problem children…but working to unseat any Lieberman supporters seems to be a good place to start. (Though DiFi with her flag burning has my blood pressure up too hehe).
Sorry for all that blathering!
Hello, from Bowie, TX!
Haven’t read the thread but anything official from the DSCC yet?
Shoogarp at 167:
That’s what I thought.
Enjoy yourself.
Just an interesting OT development:
The “heart attack” explanation for Ken Lay’s death has now been removed from the NYTimes story about his death.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..r=homepage
the senate has always had the, to me at least, troublesome quality of being the club of 100. a certain amount of collegiality and cooperation comprised what was known as “the comity of the senate.” now that the piglicans are hurling buckets of shit across the aisle, the dems are at least trying to be genteel amongst themselves, a consideration unwarranted in joenertia’s case, and probably others…
Ghostman 169,
So you’ve figured out it’s because she’s Jewish? And you’ve figured it out by learning that she’s Jewish?
Wow.
I’m a Hoosier Democrat — we have Senator Evan Bayh — we can understand Lieberman, Salazar and Nelson (et al)
When will the whole gang of 14 show up together in CT for the stroke fest?
You have fetishized the Lieberman-Lamont race into a ridiculous parody of a legitimate debate. Of course, Liberman himself, the rest of the media, and many other folks have fallen into this trap.
Excuse me, Sir…but you are missing the whole point here. Biden, Salazar and Boxer “are deviously attempting to suppress and marginalize the very Democratic voters they say they represent.”
Ghost…
Your take on Boxer is mine also….what else?
Larry
jim preston
I see value in getting rid of Republicans AND in replacing poor performing Democrats with progressive and inspired Democrats.
It is not a digital, 0/1, thing. False dichotomy, my friend.
Joe-narc, Joan of Arc
Joe-nertia, Joan nurse-ya (hurt-ya?)
Ms. DB, I’m just not gonna rassle around with you. I’m reading these comments and trying to keep up with my Rangers…top of the 9th, and we’re ahead! So, you have yourself a good evening.
Ghostman
FWIW Boxer is very low-key about her religion.
Here is the letter I just sent to Sen. Boxer. As a CA person I’m livid!
Dear Senator Boxer,
I am writing to express my deep concern and opposition of your rumored support and plan to campaign for Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman.
First, I feel that is deeply inappropriate for a Senator from another state to indorse a candidate in a primary election. This is a matter for the citizens and members of the Democrat party of the state of Connecticut to decide who they feel will best represent them in the U. S. Senate. I know that I would not look favorably upon an elected official, either Senator or Congressperson, indorsing and campaigning in California primary; just as I would not look favorably upon the candidate accepting such an endorsement. To me it would look like outside interference and I would have questions as to whether or not the candidate, if elected, would be acting in my and my fellow local citizen’s best interests and reflect our local thoughts, values, and concerns, or whether they would be beholden to the another state’s concerns.
Secondly, I know that you, as well as a great many of my fellow Californians, are strong advocates of Women’s health care. However, Senator Lieberman has shown that he is cavalierly indifferent to women’s health care. I am referring to his position on Plan B contraception treatment and publicly funded Catholic hospitals. He has supported Catholic hospitals’ position of not supplying or notifying rape victims that such a treatment is available. If a woman is taken to a Catholic hospital in his home state and she knows about, and can think clearly enough after such a traumatic crime, to ask for Plan B contraception treatment she will find that is isn’t available in that hospital. But, that wouldn’t be a problem as he has said: “In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital”. I can not begin to tell you outrage at that statement. Any woman, but most especially one who has been the victim of the crime of rape, is entitled to the most complete and compassionate health care that can be offered. Before you decide to endorse and campaign for Senator Lieberman I hope that you will take the time learn what Connecticut NARAL and Connecticut Planned Parenthood have said about his position. It can be found on the internet here:
http://www.pro-choicect.org/
Connecticut National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League
and
http://www.ppct.org/
Connecticut Planned Parenthood
Very Truly,
—–
I’m sorry is this is a long (first!) post, but if anyone would like to use this to send please feel free; or if its a starting point for your own even better!
You can send her a message here:
http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm
Those of you who don’t live in Colorado don’t need to like Salazar.
Many of us who DO live in Colorado happen to like Salazar, thank you. He does a good job representing his constituency, which is exactly what we elected him to do. See, we’re not from Connecticut. We don’t think like people from Connecticut. We have our own issues, and Salazar understands them well enough to keep us happy. That’s all anyone can ask from their Senator. Represent us.
If you have a problem with Lieberman, and you happen to live in his State, then deal with him at the polls during the primary. Just don’t assume that everyone else in the country supports your position. Because not everyone does.
The bottom line with Lieberman, where the primary will be won or lost, is whether the people he represents like him. If they feel well represented, Lieberman will win. If they don’t, he will lose. And it really doesn’t matter what outsiders think. Outsiders don’t get to vote.
imm @ 173 – curious indeed! what in the world is going on here?
sorry: “outsiders” (i.e. all Democrats not in CT) suffer the consequences of Joe’s betrayal, nation-wide.
What Kimster says about Salazar and Colorado Politics is true — that said, I am very disappointed in Senator Ken.
Ken Salazar is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or brightest bulb on the porch. During the primary, it took a ton of pressure to get to commit to being a Democrat.
On the other hand, it would be a disaster for the Colorado Democrats if he switched parties. So please be civil if you contact his office.
While Salazar leaves a lot to be desired, the alternative was Pete Coors.
What immanentize said at 6:30 pm # 80 –
More than once Salazar has said things, that get clarified later. He called Dobson the Anti-Christ, and later said he meant Un-Christian. The first was better, except everyone knows Bush is the Anti-Christ.
Anyway — if you call, ask that Salazar commit to supporting the Democratic nominee, which he expects to be Joe Lieberman.
I find this CHS comment alarming, anyone else?
Can we offer more support/time off/prayers/donations 4 babysitting/love?
“liberalrob at 119 – not that it is any of your business, but I’ve been dealing with quite the arthritis flare of late, which has necessitated a larger amount of sleep than usual. Since this is a 24-hour-a-day blog, seven days a week, I have to grab sleep where I can. So sorry not to get back to you with the response that you wanted from me immediately, but I had to run to my doctor’s office and give up another 6 vials of blood for testing to again try and narrow down what is causing the problems.
And, in answer to your question, I have not as yet had time to read Roger’s article from Sunday, what with writing my own articles, raising my three year old and having to nap (yesterday’s was over five hours), so I’m afraid I’m not much help. But I will take a look at it when I get a chance tomorrow and will leave you a note on the comments if I feel such a note is merited. This may not meet with your need for some sort of immediate response, but it is the best I can do with a three-year-old home from preschool, dinner to get started and a right hand which is less than functional today.”
Ralphie,
Re: “I will support Joe Lieberman for the primary and beyond the primary,” Salazar said Wednesday.”
He’s saying if Lamont wins the Democratic Primary he WON’T support him. That’s OK with you?
Larry….evening! Oh, not much else on the Boxer issue. Some agree with me; some don’t. And so it goes.
Ghostman
Many of us who DO live in Colorado happen to like Salazar, thank you. He does a good job representing his constituency, which is exactly what we elected him to do. See, we’re not from Connecticut. We don’t think like people from Connecticut. We have our own issues, and Salazar understands them well enough to keep us happy. That’s all anyone can ask from their Senator. Represent us.
You don’t mind him actively campaigning for a nominal Democrat who has vowed to shit all over the Democratic primary process?
Yes, egregious — it may be CHS simply needs time speaking from one who knows the limit of only so many hours in a day. If there is any way to help, please let me know.
OldCoastie,
My guess is that the coroner/hospital will not confirm heart attak as cause of death? There is also this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07…..r=homepage
Perhaps he did what he did for the good of his family? Perhaps his family helped him do what was for the good of the family?
My guess is this will develop a bit more considering today’s trajectory.
jim preston at 159 –
If I am not mistaken, Jane has connected with a number of people from Connecticut who are working to get Ned Lamont elected as the Democratic Senator from Connecticut. While this may not seem as worthwhile as unseating someone who has an honest-to-God-official (R) after his name, unseating Lieberman and replacing him with Lamont would put someone in the Senate who understands what that (D) after his name actually stands for. What, exactly, has Lieberman done for Connecticut Democrats, and what has he done for the country as a whole in the votes he has cast and in the positions he has taken?
Is the Connecticut race taking a bizarre turn? Yeah, I would say it has. Should we care what Senators from other states are doing, what candidates they are supporting and why? Yeah, I think we should.
Far from having lost our minds, I think we have found our voice, and are not being shy about using it; part of that effort is going to asking for accountability from those elected to serve this country.
Accountability – now there’s a concept that’s been wholly absent for far too long.
Yes, Ken Lay is still dead
So is Franco
*g*
kimster, we need you, because you might have some pull with Salazar.
What’s the plan in Iraq/Afghanistan? What are the “military” objectives? Who is going to pay for it? What happened to the Powell Doctrine? It’s not such a serious problem if our soldiers die achieving a worthwhile objective, all our presence does is fuel the ranks of Osama and other extremists.
Salazar is not suppporting a Dem in HoJo. HoJo told the Democratic party to go Dick Cheney itself when he said he would not commit to support the winner of the primary. Without binding primaries, there is no connection between registered Democrats and those elected official who call themselves Democrats. HoJo is worse than a Republican, because at least they are what they say.
I hope you consider asking Salazar to withhold support from HoJo until he pledges to support the winner of the primary.
Ken Salazar is not the sharpest knife in the drawer
or brightest candle in the menorah, as one could say.
my favorite jewish cultural reference is when woody allen’s (back when he was funny) father says at the dinner table, “shut up and eat your schiksa.”
Anne @195:
Yes; our struggle is two-fold. We essentially have to defeat Republicanism both within and outside of our own party. The only way to achieve the former (which will ultimately facilitate the latter) is to flex our muscles and oust some DINOs like Joe.
They will not listen to us until they fear us. Sad but true.
Cornflake @ 7:37—that’s an excellent first post. I hope you stick around and share some more of that mighty fine writing.
egregious, yes I saw that too and worried.
But meanwhile Christy was so ON this morning with Atrios…. Perhaps I have been wooed into false security by her strength, charm, wit and energy. I will pay closer attention and send better vibes her way now that you point it out.
Is Christy ill?
Traditional media’s still pinning Joe’s problems on his support for the war. Whatev.
That “Lieberman as independent” meme might actually have legs. Independent of party loyalty, independent of backbone, independent of momentum…I like it.
The Boxer thing is a big disappointment. Hope she gets the message from the good citizens of Connecticut.
I don’t like Lieberman and Hillary for two reasons. They both support the Iraq war and neither are paying any attention to those who cut their checks and pay for their perks. That would be the American people. A majority of which want the U.S. out of Bush’s Iraq fiasco.
“It’s not such a serious problem “
This didn’t come out like I wanted it do. Soldiers dying is always ultimately serious. The fact is there are times where it has been necessary. The occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan is the polar opposite of those situations. One U.S. life was way beyond acceptable wrt our nation’s goal and objectives.
They both support the Iraq war and neither are paying any attention to those who cut their checks and pay for their perks. That would be the American people.
What is it that taxation without representation is again?
OFG, perhaps “playing hurt” is a better synopsis. She commented earlier on a previous thread about a Doctor’s appointment for arthritis.
http://politicalwire.com/archi…..paign.html
“No taxation without representation”
That is so “pre-9/11.”
snark warning.
Ghostman, fine don’t rassle with me. Just ask yourself why Russ Feingold isn’t supporting Lieberman like Boxer is. Or is he not Jewish enough?
Seriously, I find it hard to believe that there are multiple people here who think that somebody’s motives can be divined simply by knowing that person is Jewish. Especially when the other 2/3 of her contingent are not Jewish and one of two Senators taking the opposite position is Jewish.
And I would express the same dismay if it were any other religion/gender/orientation/race/etc…
I’ll leave you all alone now.
Found this posted earlier on a blog written in the comment section but I forget where…
However, if DeStefano and Malloy have a primary, it will be on the same day as the Lamont/Lieberman primary. A lot of party hacks will come out to vote for DeStefano or Malloy, party hacks who probably would have stayed home if it were just Lamont/Lieberman. Being party hacks, they’ll undoubtedly vote for the devil they know. That should put Lieberman over the top.
OT & sure to be EPUd at this hour,
Just back from Anchorage. State Sen. Ben Stevens (President of the Alaska Senate and son of US Sen. Ted Stevens) has announced he will not stand for his seat in the fall election. Rumors have been around here for a couple of months that this would happen. Supposedly, US Rep. Don Young also wants to step down from his national house seat, but won’t do so until after the token primary, which Young will win. Then, the rumor has gone, the State GOP machine will annoint Ben Stevens to take Young’s place on the November ballot.
I’ll have more later.
“In his letter explaining why he’s considering an independent bid for Senate if he loses the Democratic primary, Lieberman hinted at Lamont’s self-financing as one factor.”
Debunked…
“Ned Lamont has challenged Joe Lieberman to a spending cap. Lieberman has refused. Lieberman has raised millions more dollars than Lamont, and has millions more in the bank than he does. Anytime you hear Joe claim poverty, or whine that he is running against some self-funding behemoth of a campaign, please realize that he is talking out of his ass.”
http://www.dailykos.com/
This may not fall well upon the ears of the FDL community but I can tell you there were a lot of CU students (my son included) who were stoked to have elected Salazar in a red state.
Regional vs. National but dig it when you’re thinking about “roots”.
I hope Lamont’s people make an ad showing blownertia debating deadeye dick, where darth cheney expels the gaseous statement that he went to make his money “in the private sector” what a perfect opportunity to mention how deep Halliburton’s jowls are in the Fed trough, but bloseph just chuckles at like a friggin’ idiot.
DoverBitch: those two male Senators are coming to help their bud, Joe, coz you know how men like to pal around together — hunt, fish, chase chicks, etc. Guys stick together! Bros before hos !
Thanks Coz, nice catch.
Ms. DB: yes, but: Rangers Win! Final score 9-3. A well pitched game by our starter.
Ghostman
Dover Beeyotch,
which is why I think there is a very, very powerful distinction between jewish and likudnik. On the SAT would be answered with “as american is to neocon.”
DB,
That veiled anti-sem dog don’t hunt here..
OT I think, sorry haven’t read this post yet. A
We’re listening to the rebroadcast of ‘Fresh Air’. Terry Gross is interviewing Jane Mayer who has written an article on David Addington for the New Yorker (July 3 issue). I think this is a MUST LISTEN show. Someone in this morning’s post mentioned it, but I want to emphasize its importance.
I’ve heard so little about him that I didn’t realize how IMPORTANT he is in the BushCo scandals until listening to this interview.
Many in here are so knowledgeable about so many different aspects of the politics of this administration, and there is so much information to get through, some of the important stuff gets lost in the mix. Please make time to listen to this important info.
Here’s a link to listen to the show:
http://www.npr.org/templates/r…..p?prgId=13
ccmask,
I disagree with that analysis. I see a larger than usual turnout, as CT voters (dems) see whats going on. I feel the love is gone for Senator Straddle, and boy what a straddle!
Tim, all we are asking is that Salazar wait to support HoJo until HoJo commits to the Dem primary. Without a primary, nothing connects the candidate to the registered voters of the party.
If HoJo would pull out of the Dem primary and run as a true independent, Salazar could back him, but of course that will not happen.
HoJo made this a national issue, when he told the Dem primary in CT to go Dick Cheney itself.
Tim, I didn’t hear anyone say Salazar shouldn’t have been elected in Colorado. What I hear people asking is what is Salazar doing in the Lieberman Connecticut race? And, I mean, even those stoked younguns can’t really say that Salazar is all they could hope for, can they?
As long as we’re kvetching, anyone notice how Netanyahu was a prescient foreshadowing of joonyah in that both have an icing of smarmy fake friendliness spread on a shitcake of graft and incompetence?
Dover Bitch, Larry, and Ghostman –
By noting Boxer’s religion, I was looking to find a reason for her support of someone who (by my reading) wouldn’t ordinarily stand for comments like the ones Joe made about rape victims. Mutual support for a particular Mideast policy, based on a shared religious value, seems a likely explanation.
Salazar and Biden are another kettle of fish. For Biden, I’d say it was the shared faith in Credit Card Company contributions; for Salazar . . . I lack sufficient data. Perhaps both admire Joe for standing up for the freedom for Catholic hospitals to reject practices that offend them and still be eligible for public funding.
(Of course, Catholic (and other) religious-based universities that don’t want the military to come recruiting get no such waivers or expressions of support, but that’s another argument.)
I’m not one to jump to religious stereotypes, but I am someone who looks to see how private religious values get expressed in public policy. Unless you’ve got a better explanation for Boxer’s support of Joe, this is all I’ve got to go on.
I feel the love is gone for Senator Straddle
Here’s an interesting number from the June 8 Quinnipiac poll:
73% of CT Dems say they haven’t heard enough about Lamont to make up their mind on whether they like him, and only 11% already do…
And 32% of CT Dems prefer Lamont to Lieberman. So that’s 21% who prefer someone they’ve barely even heard of to Joementum.
liberalrob — that post was written by Roger Ailes. If you have a problem email him, nobody else is going to comment on it.
And if you hijack another thread with your fixation you’re out of here for good.
Larry, I find Dover Bitch’s dog to be hunting just fine. And I agree with her that she (and others like myself) would raise the same concerns if someone said, “Obama is supporting Mfume just because they are both blacks”
Night all..be civil in your “rasslin”
Larry, I find Dover Bitch’s dog to be hunting just fine. And I agree with her that she (and others like myself) would raise the same concerns if someone said, “Obama is supporting Mfume just because they are both blacks”
I’m just supporting Lamont because we’re both Democrats.
Ghostman, good for the Rangers. I eagerly await their second-ever playoff game victory.
knuckledragger, what does any of that have to do with Boxer? She is nowhere near Lieberman when it comes to foreign policy. She voted against the Iraq war. As did Feingold, Levin and Wellstone (RIP). And what evidence is there that her religion has anything to do with it? All the evidence anybody has put forth is the name of her religion. In other words, zero.
Larry, are you suggesting that I’m being anti-semetic? How? By expressing dismay that other people are assigning motives to Boxer because of her religion?
Unbelievable.
poor liberalrob — the next step is having Kobe bite him on the shin for shits & giggles …
I have to believe that Kobe would not waste time on shin nipping, but might aim a little, shall we say, higher?
I agree with you immanentize at 8:05.
DB,
I think you miss my point, or at least my intention, in that I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly. Sharing an ethnic or religious identity does not necessarily mean a shared political philosophy. Conversely, there are those who gladly accuse anyone who mentions certain political facts of being an antisemite, just for clearing their throat, so to speak. (AIPAC, anyone?)
So Ken Salazar is committing to campaign against the Democratic candidate in November… WTF?!
1st Q: Where the hell is Howard Dean or somebody in the party who can sit this nitwit down and tell him he needs to shut the hell up and get one thing real clear: he’s gonna campaign for the freakin’ DEMOCRAT in November or else he’s gonna campaign for nobody at all. Otherwise he won’t get a stinkin dime from the party in his next race.
Is this such a hard concept? It works like this Ken…you call yourself a Democrat, and you accept money and support from the Democratic party, so that means you don’t go around campaigning AGAINST Democrats in November, otherwise get your DINO ass the hell out of the party and stay out.
Second Q: Anybody out there know of a really strong relatively progressive candidate in Colorado who could challenge Salazar next time round. After Lamont wins this thing, netroots should start flexing it’s muscle and target one few other particularly odious DINOs for extinction. It’s not too early to start thinking about who needs to be made to sweat pr maybe even taken down, and Salazar just became my personal front runner.
Peterr,
Unless you’ve got a better explanation for Boxer’s support of Joe, this is all I’ve got to go on.
My point is that you apparently have zero to go on. They work together. Maybe they’re friends. Maybe she owes him. Maybe she thinks he’s great. Maybe she thinks incumbents should never lose. Maybe she hates Lamont. Maybe she’s insane. Maybe…
Who knows? But the suggestion that she’s doing it because she’s Jewish creeps me out. It’s the kind of thing I would expect to be reading elsewhere.
Kobe doesn’t scare me. I’ve always wanted to be Jewish but never had room for the operation ;)
knuckledragger, my misunderstanding. Thank you.
Someone talked earlier about Salazar’s record. Here are a few excerpts.
From wiki:
Salazar introduced Attorney General nominee Alberto Gonzales and sat by his side during his confirmation hearings.
Member of the Gang of 14 which set up votes for 3 extremely conservative appelate court judges (Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen and William Pryor)
Form Senate site:
Selected votes and how Ken Salazar voted in the 109th Congress 2nd Session:
+Progressive vote
+/- Establishment Democratic vote
- Conservative vote
Caveat: these are my ratings
- Voted for the flag burning amendment S.J.Res.12: June 27, 2006
+/- Voted for the weaker Levin Amendment No. 4320 to leave Iraq: June 22, 2006
- Voted against the Kerry Amendment No. 4442 to redeploy from Iraq: June 22, 2006
+ Voted for the Dorgan Amendment No. 42 to establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism: June 20, 2006
+ Voted for the McCain Amendment No. 4242 to require regular budgeting for ongoing military operations: June 14, 2006
+ Voted against the motion to Invoke Cloture on S. J. Res. 1: Marriage Protection Amendment: June 7, 2006
- Did not vote in confirmation of General Michael V. Hayden to be Director of the CIA May 26, 2006
- Did not vote in confirmation of controversial conservative Brett M. Kavanaugh to be U.S. Circuit Judge for the D.C. Circuit: May 26, 2006
- Did not vote on the Senate version of Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006: May 25, 2006
- Voted for the Salazar Amendment No. 4073 to declare that English is the common and unifying language of the United States, and to preserve and enhance the role of the English language.
- Voted for Sessions Amdt. No. 3979 to increase the amount of fencing and improve vehicle barriers installed along the southwest border of the United States: May 17, 2006
- Voted for the H.R. 3199 Conference Report; USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005: March 2, 2006
-* Voted against the confirmation Samuel A. Alito, Jr. to be an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court: January 31, 2006 [*Voted yes (cloture) before voting no]
- Voted to Invoke Cloture On The Nomination of Samuel A. Alito, Jr.: January 30, 2006
FUCK! How can we be rid of these horrid losers? I think my head will explode.
Has either political party ever “ex-communicated” (or whatever the word might be), a member of their party for repeated violations of party platform/position?
Ghostman
Thanks Hugh.
DB your 31
Sure sounds to me that that is what you are attempting to project onto others….but then again maybe I “read you wrong”…
lewisnclark @237:
1) I think that job should appropriately fall to Shrumer, but I don’t have high hopes.
2) Colorado may be too red for a progressive candidate to succeed. But campaigning for Lieberman goes way above and beyond the call of what is needed to retain a seat in a red state, IMO.
Vicki,
send money, et Chuck Scheemer on the phone and talk sense into him, register voters. Rinse, repeat.
Hiya, vic!
IIRC, Republicans actually threw out David Duke, when he tried to run as a Republican.
I don’t think Trent Lott and some others had a lot of problems with his positions, it was just the unnuanced way he stated them.
American Israel Public Affairs Committee
AIPAC has sponsored trips for scores of members of Congress, including:•Congressmen Howard Berman (D), Shelley Berkeley (D), Roy Blunt (R), Eric Cantor (R), Joseph Crowley (D), Jo Ann Davis (R), Eliot Engel (D), Jeff Flake (R),Jane Harman (D), Steny Hoyer (D), Tom Lantos (D), Jerrold Nadler (D), Chris Shays(R), Mark Udall (D), Henry Waxman (D), and others.•Senators Evan Bayh (D), Dick Durbin (D), Joseph Biden (D), Barbara Boxer (D),Jon Kyl (R), Gordon Smith (R), Sam Brownback (R), Robert Bennett (R), LarryCraig (R), Joseph Lieberman (D), Mitch McConnell (R), Ron Wyden (D), SusanCollins (R), Jay Rockefeller (D), Maria Cantwell (D), Mark Pryor (D), Jon Cornyn(R), Ken Salazar (D), Jack Reed (D), Tom Carper (D), and others.
As a victim of misplaced attacks as an anti-Semite because of my criticism of aspects of Israeli policies in the Occupied Territories, I’d just like to say to my good friends here – “Back off.” Not from the issue that DB brought up, but from such outrageous labels being attached to her valid comments. Once labelled an anti-Semite it sticks and multiplies like just about no other. And it hurts really, really bad if you indeed are not such a person.
I agree with Eli, 246, #2. My guess is that Ken sees the headlights of a progressive candidate challenge in his rearview mirror…
Gotta sleep, catch you crazy dogs tomorrow.
DB,
Pro noblem. I appreciate your efforts. This is a very important topic that has been intentionally obfuscated to ill effect at various times. I find set theory is often a rigorous tool in cases like this. Not all jews agree with any one political philosophy (how’s that for historical understatement!!!) and there are plenty of people who support certain political movements in Israel who are not jewish. In fact, a lot of them are fundamentalist christians (who believe jews will be forced to convert or be condemned as their apocalyptic fantasies are finally fulfilled). Now where’s that red calf?
national political parties are federations of state parties. yes, state parties do ‘excommunicate’ folks — it’s happened here in Indianapolis — usually it is for openly supporting a candidate of the opposing party .
Well, Jane hates this crap, but here goes nothing. I’m in the camp that has had Ghostman pegged as a troll from Day 2. He has been lobbing little stink bombs in here for months now. Today he’s thrown a big one and I for one hope it doesn’t come back to bite this blog in the ass. And I would hope Ghostman gets an even bigger smackdown than he has so far. Thank you Dover Bitch et al. who have done so admirably.
Ken Salazar is part of the Old Guard Colorado Democrats.
The Young Turks, the Up and Comers, all have tough races — send them some love.
Bill Winter
http://www.winterforcongress.com/
Angie Paccione
http://www.angie2006.com/
Jay Fawcett
http://www.fawcett4congress.com/
DB –
If Boxer’s rationale for supporting Joe is so opaque – and I’ve said all along that I’m speculating – then maybe Boxer ought to express her support more specifically.
For an out-of-state senator to get involved in a primary battle is very unusual, and gets everyone’s curiousity going. Sadly, no reporter has asked her, “Senator Boxer, why are you getting involved in a primary battle outside your state?” Or maybe they have asked and haven’t gotten an answer. If so, I’d like to know about it.
I’m a Californian who has voted for Boxer on various occasions. I’ve liked her questions of various nominees before the judiciary committee, and wished others had emulated her and taken tougher lines of questioning. I thought that I had a good sense of what she stands for and stands against. Her support for Joe, and her cluelessness about his comments regarding rape victims, surprised me greatly. That’s why I’m mystified here, and am searching for an explanation.
Ralpie:
I do live in Colorado. I have given lots (for me) of money to both Salazars in several campaigns. That’s done. And as for you rather prim little lecture on how us folks in Colorado have our own issues:
The war is a national issue, Senators are not supposed to be merely parochial; and if you’ll think back all the long way to 2004, Salazar campaigned against Bush’s war planning and execution–if he never went so far as to speak against the war per se. Lieberman wants to continue to give Bush carte blanche in conducting the war. That’s unconstitutional, and the Constitution is also a national issue. Salazar, like his new BFF JoMo, by voting like a little whipped cur with every anti-Constitutional nominee Bush puts up, has made himself an opponent of the Constitution. Why don’t you get out your old high school civics book, study up on how the US government is suppopsed to work, and come back and tell us what a great job Ken “I support Abu Gonzalez cause he’s my friend” Salazar is doing.
Hmmmm. So, Ct. Democrats could throw Lieberman out if he runs as an independent? Hmmmm….interesting.
Ghostman
Egregious @ 189 (and CHS if you read this)
I’m a bit concerned too. I don’t know what I can offer to lighten the load but if you think of something, let me know. I’d like to help.
ET @ 251:
Well, some of us have gotten pretty thick-skinned in that regard. (Of course, one get’s more leeway if one can “pass.”)
Eli:
2) Colorado may be too red for a progressive candidate to succeed. But campaigning for Lieberman goes way above and beyond the call of what is needed to retain a seat in a red state, IMO.
Speaking from Colorado, you’re absolutely right. Salazar is (once again) betraying his own campaign promises in pursuit of some silly McCain fantasy he’s built up in his own mind. The hard core wingers hate him. He’s stabbed the progressives who would’ve held their noses on silliness like the flag burning amendment in the back. He’s toast. And as for his being better than Pete Coors, on most of the big issues, he’s effectively voted the same way Coors would have.
Peterr,
excuse me for butting in, but perhaps Boxer is trying to placate California conservatives whose support/money she understandably covets. As Bush’s favorite Dem, supporting HoJo accomplishes this goal without supporting a Republican.
I think this possibility is a lot more likely than ethnic/religious affinity.
New thread
Set your cup o’ joe down – spew warning for the picture!
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/joenjoe/
perhaps Boxer is trying to placate California conservatives whose support/money she understandably covets.
She’s in *California*! She doesn’t need them!
I know she’s in CA, Eli.
Why doesn’t she need them?
John Casper -
No problem joining the civil discussion from where I sit. As for Boxer “trying to placate California conservatives,” that just ain’t gonna fly. Conservatives out here cannot stand her at all, and no amount of support for Lieberman’s going to change that.
Peterr, you just made my point.
I know she’s in CA, Eli.
Why doesn’t she need them?
She’s running at the state level in one of the bluest states in the country. She can win without paying any attention at all to the CA conservatives.
So John, what then is Boxer’s rationale for supporting Joe?
“Conservatives out here cannot stand her at all,”
The political calculation for Boxer isn’t just about who will donate to my next campaign.
Conservatives are looking at DiFi and Boxer and thinking, who do I hate more? I’ll contribute to the next primary candidate who opposes Boxer, because I hate DiFi less.
I am just speculating here, but the idea that there is some limitless pool of “limosine liberals” in CA doesn’t strike me as accurate.
Folks need to quit callin Colorado “Red.” I’m reading tea leaves here and see a swing a comin. Both Colorado and New Mexico both. In CT, my concern is in the General, the Republican being asked to step aside and endorse Lieberman.
naschkatze at 130:
On the other hand, there are 70% of us in the country against this war, and we want solutions not just criticism that the war is being mismanaged.
We do, but I think it would be misleading to impute from this that we demand our candidates present solutions before they’re elected. That’s a sucker’s game, and echoes the wingnut talking point of “but you’re just complaining, you’re not proposing any solutions!” Forcefully saying they know the war is a mess and they’ll do things differently is enough, since the information they’ll have and the conditions they’ll face will be different enough by January that detailed solutions are meaningless.
And I agree there are many who don’t like the idea that they’ll have the problem dumped in their laps (as with the deficit or the myriad other disasters the Bush team is leaving after them for the political Superfund to clean up), but I don’t think for a minute that’s enough to override their ambition and make them not want to be in charge.
Eli, you may be correct.
I am definitely not an expert on CA politics.
I suspect Boxer looks at Schumur in an equally blue state and feels like she has to mimic him.
I suspect Boxer looks at Schumur in an equally blue state and feels like she has to mimic him.
But she’s been fiercely, reliably liberal on almost everything else. There *is* something going on there. I don’t think it’s the Jewish thing, but she either owes Joe for something, or they have forged some kind of extremely unlikely bond.
Biden, Schumer, Boxer, Salazar, and Hillary still have a tin ear when it comes to what the blogosphere represents. They still think that no one is watching, or at least no one who counts, so they do this little members only back scratching and figure there’s no price to pay for it. They don’t understand that the blogosphere not only watches it remembers. Politics as usual doesn’t fly anymore. Those who catch on to this will have futures in politics and those who don’t won’t.
I am going to reassert my ignorance of CA politics. I am just offering alternative explanations.
I am going to reassert my ignorance of CA politics. I am just offering alternative explanations.
I probably don’t know much more about CA than you do – I just know that it’s very, very Democratic and usually so is Boxer. For her to be one of only three Dem senators actively campaigning for Joe defies all understanding for me.
Hitchhiking on Hugh’s “tin ear,” comment, I also think conservatives via wingnut welfare have silenced liberal thought. The traditional media simply does not print soundbytes that Pox news won’t like. Feingold said about 500 times in his call for Censure, “of course we want to wire tap terrorists.” Traditional media said Feingold was making war on the WOT.
I think it’s incumbent upon all of us to pressure Biden, Boxer, and Salazar. They cannot campaign with Joe until he commits to supporting the winner of the Dem primary. Without a primary,there is no connection between a Dem candidate and registered Dem.
HoJo made this a national race, when he unveiled his “Plan B.”
Oilfieldguy
anything official from the DSCC yet?
I just checked their blog, there’s nothing up on Lieberman/Lamont.
Peterr:
For an out-of-state senator to get involved in a primary battle is very unusual, and gets everyone’s curiousity going.
Actually, I’m not sure it is unusual. It certainly isn’t this year; we had a bunch of senators endorse Webb in the Virginia primary. I hated the DSCC endorsing a primary candidate, but I had no problem with individual senators doing it; they’re as much entitled to an opinion as anyone else.
The thing that makes it a curiosity in Lieberman’s case is his announcement that he won’t abide by the results of the primary. That makes their support if him not just a personal favor or judgment, but a judgment on whether his actions undermine the party they belong to.
Senator Mark Pryor
Looks like another Vichy Dem?
Hillary is looking more and more like a hero/martyr.
op99 — Yeah, I was reminded of your assessment of Ghostman while reading through this thread. One of the reasons I decided not to get into that topic.
But I think you’ve done very well, DB, and I’m pretty much in total agreement with what you’ve posted (including working to resolve the case or two that were misunderstandings.)
Well, dang. Not one, but TWO more recent threads. I thought it was starting to get quiet here…
Again, (and as others here have pointed out) there’s a BIG difference between taking sides for one candidate or the other in the primary and saying you’re going to actively campaign against the Democratic candidate in November (which is what Salazar has announced). That’s just flat out outrageous.
If Lamont wins the nomination of the Democratic party fair and square yet Salazar persists in supporting his opponent in the general election, the party needs to make it *extremely* clear he’ll be out on his ass. No more money, no more support, no more perks, no committee chairs if and when they take back the Senate. And they start looking for another candidate to get behind when it’s re-election time.
Jim preston @ 159:
The day that idiot Lieberman, or any other senator or congressman, decides to run using money only donated by residents of his or her own state, or even has the balls to not accept help from outside campaign consultants or advertising agencies, is the day that I’ll give a damn about any state’s voters having the right to be left alone, to decide an election on their own.
Because when anyone outside your state participates in a campaign, it’s a given that the race has national import. So — you’ve earned your paycheck at the neocon thinktank today. Hope your evening cocktail was as strong as your argument was weak.
Oh, and on behalf of Ralphie @185, I apologize for the people of the great state of Colorado, who were perfectly happy to vote for Mike Miles, except we weren’t strong enough, and we were afraid of having a truly liberal and progressive candidate face the onslaught of the Coors family fortune — you know, the KKK-supporting, Heritage Foundation-founding, neocon-breast-feeding, piss-beer-making family? Yep, ‘Pete’ Coors was running against him, with more money than just about any candidate could muster, in Colorado. Salazar won. And he’s been worried about his next election, ever since.
I’d rather get it right, next time, to elect a Senator who will fight and fight hard for what we need, rather than have someone who only makes token efforts to pay attention to liberal concerns.
So, I’m sorry Coloradans weren’t brave enough to prevent sending Alito to the Supreme Court. I’m sorry we didn’t trust the big money *we* finally attracted, which did the big job of turning over the State Legislature to Democrats for the first time in decades.
I’m sorry we have mouths like Ralphie, who’d like to tell the world that Coloradans tolerate intolerance, chuckle at Dobson, the Christofacism of the Air Force Academy, and the desire to let the religious right drive queers to the borders or to the bloody pavement.
Finally, I’m sorry that folks like Ralphie forget that Colorado was a big state for the KKK, that those ancient evil plutocrat crones aren’t dead yet, and they’d love to have one more DINO like Ben Nighthorse Campbell to go along, to get along.
The one thing Salazar should note: If it happens to Lieberman, it will happen to him, in 2010. Every step he takes toward Republican habits will be one more step a loaded contributor will take toward funding a challenger, maybe Mike Miles (who’s not dead, you know), or maybe someone even better.
So, thank you, Ralphie — other than Mr. Lay taking his last gaps under our brilliant, high-altitude sky, this is the happiest I’ve felt all day. Again, thanks.
And, my apologies for using the term ‘crones’, without adding its companion, ‘geezers’.
Well, well…looks like I missed quite a night. I’m assuming ‘Liberal Rob’ and whatever he said got dumped out into the ether.
I’m up and can’t sleep. My guy leaves for Iraq in 4 hours. Just wanted to check-in and see if anyone was up.
Did I mention I’m holding my breath?
Connecticut Dems don’t really give a shit about Salazar. Even if Obama comes, I doubt it will change any minds.
Immanetize at 160:
Thanks for the welcome!
Jim at 168
My post is “utter nonsense”, and Salazar is a “cheap little opportunistic coward”?
Man, I love your thoughtful analysis!
Hugh at 241:
That’s a good summary. Salazar is a moderate, and those votes reflect the political makeup of Colorado (which has a surprisingly large number of independents).
It does not reflect perhaps the most gutsy move of his tenure–standing up to James Dobson here in Colorado. That’s a political first in this state for a Senator.
… and he’s been hiding and skulking away from that one brave move, ever since.
Has he cast any vote, since then, of which Dobson would not approve? Taken one stand about a controversial issue, other than the attempt to work toward withdrawal in Iraq, which the military family constituency might back, if silently?
Thought so.
I agree with James in #57. Salazar is preparing himself to pull a Nighthorse halfway through his term. Colorado got suckered again. These guys from southern CO are just too close to Texas to be real Democrats if something else suits their own agendas. Like HRC, they are Dems as long as they need the party to get elected.
I keep a close watch on Colorado politics here in Denver, and I haven’t seen much hiding and skulking from Salazar or any signs of him switching parties.
Salazar is no Ben Nighthorse Campbell. Campbell was an embarassment as a Dem, and even as a Republican. Loved to ride motorbikes, hated the concept of work. Got absolutely nothing done in WDC.
Dobson’s supporters weren’t who showed up to protest Salazar at his wife’s dairy queen. This was Bob Enyart and the Denver Bible Church – and they are nuttier than Dobson. Enyart supports the death penalty for sodomy.