
When I was studying in Japan in 2001, I met a very handsome red-haired guy named Patrick. He stood about 6′5" and was teaching English in Japan for the summer, then going on to Seoul, South Korea to teach for a British corporation. Patrick was a study in Godlike American Hotness with his high cheekbones, square jaw, full lips and eyes so blue/green they were almost aqua. All of the American girls were reduced to utter jelly when he would glide silently into the quad on his ten-speed, and Japanese girls would stop and stare gape-mouthed when they saw him coming, sometimes erupting into near-ultrasonic squeals and storms of uncontrollable giggling.
He was known as something of a Cassanova. I asked him if he was being an American in Asia because he liked Asian women.
He shrugged and said, "Yeah, I guess. When they’re good, they’re really good. But, when they’re bad, they’re Christians."
Which brings me to tonight’s topic. The Asian Honky. I submitted my Malkin Rap on this topic, but will take the liberty of reproducing it for you here:
Asian Honky
Everybody, do the Asian Honky.
Everybody, everybody,
Throw your right wing in the air
And wave it like there’s no repercussions,
Having long and pointless discussions,
and cat-fights on the air.
I’m a cello-playing,
talking-point saying,
spelling bee-ing, overachieving,
smug, entitled, right-wing Asian Honky.Everybody say Ramesh and Adam,
Yoo and Maglalang!I’m on wingnut welfare.
I’m to the right of a Klansman.
I may be brown but I ain’t no nigga!
I’m highly strung
with a hair-trigger,
Everybody do the Asian Honky.
Everybody do the Asian Honky.
Yeaaaaaah, boyeeeeeee!! Get down!
I have not actually read the Terms and Conditions section of the Republican Shill Handbook, but apparently there is a paragraph that says if you are a non-white Republican, you must be the most racist, psychotic, reactionary Republican that you can possibly be. (For examples see Malkin, Michelle; Ponnuru, Ramesh; Thomas, Clarence; and Yoshida, Adam.)
Every now and then a talking head or pundit comes along who instills in me such a visceral repugnance that whenever they cross my TV screen, all I can do is shout obscenities and throw sofa cushions. Bill Frist is one such creature. Tonight’s subject, John Yoo is another. Something about his smug, fatuous, quaaluded-out expression, his prissy enunciation, and (oh, yeah!) his flagrant disregard for international law and human decency fills me incoherent rage, a sensation bordering on unbridled hate.
Yoo is, of course, the author of the infamous "Torture Memo", and the man who appears to have the most to lose from the Supreme Court’s Hamdan ruling. Thanks to Christy for pointing me to this article in the NYT which gives us a glimpse of Yoo pitching a little tantrum because the judicial system is making big strides in undoing all his beautiful wickedness.
The Supreme Court has spoken on the subject of Yoo’s legal arguments, much as God has spoken on the topic of Ken Lay. Let’s go to the clip, shall we?
JOHN C. YOO, a principal architect of the Bush administration’s legal response to the terrorist threat, sounded perplexed and a little bitter on Thursday afternoon. A few hours earlier, the Supreme Court had methodically dismantled the legal framework that he and a few other administration lawyers had built after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
"What the court is doing is attempting to suppress creative thinking," said Professor Yoo, who now teaches law at the University of California, Berkeley. "The court has just declared that it’s going to be very intrusive in the war on terror. They’re saying, ‘We’re going to treat this more like the way we supervise the criminal justice system.’ "
Okay, now, let’s get something straight here, John. "Creative thinking" is writing a poem. "Creative thinking" is deciding to turn your garage into a recording studio. If I decide I want an X-Box, but that I don’t want to pay for it? Breaking into my neighbor’s apartment and stealing his is not "creative thinking". It’s a crime. Just like illegally detaining and torturing foreign nationals off of American soil isn’t "creative thinking". It’s a direct violation of the rules of engagement and it’s AGAINST THE LAW.
The wholesale rejection of the administration’s positions in Hamdan may have its roots in part in judicial hostility toward the memorandums Professor Yoo helped prepare several years ago. The justices in the majority, said Professor McGinnis, "have been so skeptical of a variety of legal interpretations coming out of the executive branch, like the so-called torture memos, that they are not giving the president any deference."
(snip)
"Where, as here, no emergency prevents consultation with Congress," Justice Stephen G. Breyer wrote in a brief concurrence that three other justices joined, "judicial insistence upon that consultation does not weaken our nation’s ability to deal with danger. To the contrary, that insistence strengthens the nation’s ability to determine — through democratic means — how best to do so."
But Professor Yoo was not inclined to accept the decision as a triumph of the democratic process. Instead, he saw it as a judicial usurpation of the president’s power to protect the nation. "The court is saying we’re going to be a player now," he observed ruefully.
Oh, they are, are they? The. Nerve. Right, Professor Yoo? We don’t need no steenkin’ checks and balances! Bush is GOD! Anything he says is right! How DARE the Supreme Court, with their stupid laws and their quaint and antiquated reverence for that old piece of paper, our Constitution, how DARE they meddle in the execution of the Preznint’s Great and Glorious War in Eurasia Eastasia?
I can only hope that this marks the beginning of your much-deserved trip to the slag-heap of history, Johnnyoo, where you will join such humiliated and discredited shills as Judy Miller, Bob Novak, Joe McCarthy, Oliver North, and Ahmed Chalabi. You guys can spend all of eternity arguing back and forth about Saddam’s WMD’s, who had the best nickname from Preznint Flightsuit, and who gets the last donut with sprinkles on it. Your time is up. And not a minute too soon.
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TRex! Yoo sux!
(And I did mean “Yoo” and not “you”. After seeing my post, I figured I should make that clear.)
Fitz!
somebody is going to ask so it might as well be me: did you and Patrick ever hookup?
Heh, Trex.
Hee hee!
“Creative thinking” = Lying.
Or, for that matter, ddid Yoo and Patrick ever hook up?
(Say the secret woid, and a duck will drop George Fennamin on Yoo.)
What about ewe and Patrick? (Ewwww!) Or Yoo and ewe and…OK, I’m sorry.
somebody is going to ask so it might as well be me: did you and Patrick ever hookup?
Ah, no. Patrick liked the females. A lot. And there were dozens for him to choose from on a daily basis. My seductive powers are strong, but not miraculous.
Wait, what was that about you and Yoo wooing a ewe?
Okay, kids, gotta run home from work. Will check in from my laptop.
Woooo!
“I need three volunteers…Yoo, ewe and you!”
Ah, no. Patrick liked the females. A lot. And there were dozens for him to choose from on a daily basis. My seductive powers are strong, but not miraculous.
*wistful sigh*
I wish mine were… existent.
Adieu, adieu, to Yoo and Yoo and Yoo
How did the Ewes get into this- what is it about asian sheep anyway?
Will Yoo Boalt Hall?
Wow, I have miraculous powers too.
The Refresh Comments button was missing, and just as I started to type a comment complaining about it, it appeared.
Eli, you have a girlfriend, right? So your powers can’t be nonexistent.
John Yoo nearly single-handedly gives my otherwise laudable city of residence a black eye. Yet when I once suggested that he be purged from the UC faculty, I was correctly reminded that in the name of academic freedom that would not be cool. Unfortunately, his malice is not confined to the ivory tower but permeates all of Mordor.
TRex, this is magnificent. Thank you for your work here at fdl.
We are all so lucky you joined the crew. Firedoglake’s a better posse for you being in it.
punaise, what I want to know is, who in the world actually signs up for his classes? If I were at Boalt, I would boycott his unconstitutional ass.
Young students at the UC lawschool should certainly have the opportunity to explore fascism- ta see if it’s their BAG ya know!
If Yoo succeeds, academic freedom will be as quaintly oxymoronic as individual freedom.
Leslie in CA 15 – LOL, “What do we do with a problem like John Yoo?”
Honkys come in all colors and from all backgrounds. What is so interesting about an Aisan honky vs. a black or red or brown or honky honky? The reactionary Bushies have to heterogenize, so folks won’t recognize, and maybe semi-sympathize with the real deals made by the real wheels, all white and tight and doing their blight clean outa-sight… Ooops. Rap contest is over, I forgot. The BushCo pill needs a heavy coating and lots of sugar. Since subliiminal race card is one of their trumps, they need lots of jokers. They have lots of economist honkys too -all white men in suits and ties, last time I checked.
the use of an “agent provocateur” is an ancient one. yes, back in the anti-Vietnam War days it was received wisdom that the first to advocate violence was probably FBI. Nowadays, folks in Miami know that those willing to administer Al-Qaeda Oaths are likely Feds…
Some probably sign up for classes with YOO with the same mind as those lining up at the midway to see the alligator man and the world’s fattest midget.
What is Patrick Ewing?
Eli, you have a girlfriend, right? So your powers can’t be nonexistent.
There were many many years without one, but I finally found someone as bizarre as I am.
TRex, the stage does you good, you just get better and better.
Well, the Supreme Court has spoken on the subject of Yoo’s legal arguments, much as God has spoken on the topic of Ken Lay.
Oh you are ON tonight…
How on Earth did Yoo ever get hired in BERKELEY?!?
Oh, man, this is great stuff, TRex! One of my fondest dreams is to see John Yoo and his legal theories blown to smithereens. I want to see him totally discredited in the legal community. Yesterday. Maybe it’s beginning!
OT only to those who might have an interest, regarding Plan B emergency birth control. Recently I read a physician giving the advice to a young woman to request a prescription for Plan B from her doctor, have it filled and take it with her (like when she travels) so that she has it when she needs it and doesn’t have to depend on the timing of a pharmacy or doctor visit. I think that makes sense. I haven’t asked any of my GYN MD friends if they would agree to do that, but I think they would.
This, of course, applies to unprotected sex situations, not rape situations when the crime itself should be reported.
Lay got hit by a Boalt of lightning.
30 year mortgages averaged 6.99% today. We’re about there- stand back- I don’t know how far this thing will fall.
Now we Lay him down to sleep
From this day forward, six feet deep
If Yoo had to be his own defense attorney, would he have a fool for counsel?
Punaise wins at 9:22.
Random thought for the day, since this is the late night thread; off topic on the small scale, but not on the large.
If any of you belong to any high-traffic sites (such as slashdot) that allow readers to tag stories with whatever they want and then “officially” tag them with the most popular submitted tags, start tagging all stories about administration abuses, etc. with “hadenough”. Generally, once this catches on it becomes self perpetuating; other people know to do it because they’ve seen it before, and people know to search by it, and so it goes on of its own accord.
And, at the same time, it functions as subliminal prod for all the fence sitters out there. On any given day, some fraction of otherwise apathetic the people who see it will say to themselves “By golly, yes, I have had enough!”
– MarkusQ
I am still just utterly stupefied at today’s main news, Boxer et al rushing to cheerlead the Lieberman corpse.
Yoo probably got tenure before exposing his true wickedness. He certainly brings no credit to the august institution. Darn near impossible to get rid of a tenured prof, I believe. A conviction for war crimes at the Hague would be a good start.
I want to see him totally discredited in the legal community.
Is it actually possible for Republicans to be discredited?
so Jane, what’s up with Malkin rap contest? I need to prepare to unethically lobby the crowd…
Eli #41:
We’ve already seen Ann Coulter this evening screaming that the NY Post has “…fallen to the level of a tabloid.” So I guess anything’s possible.
punaise @41, Like former LA Gov Eddie Edwards said, “the only way I can lose this election is to be caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy” … same thing applies to tenured faculty, with the exception of “live boy”
Airport Cat,
That pronouncement by Fast Eddie was the first thing I saw on tv in Baton Rouge when I moved there to attend grad school at LSU, in 1983.
pet peeve:
JOHN C. YOO, a principal architect of the Bush administration’s legal response to the terrorist threat
some building designerers take exception to this broad-brush use of the word.
so whats the matter about the dead woman? you being a vitalist pig again, huh?
Sharkbabe @40, yeah, what’s up with that? What the heck is wrong with Boxer that she would go hang it out for Lieberman? Doesn’t she know that Jane is there, videocam in hand, to hand her (boxer) her ass?
AirportCat 44
… with the exception of ‘live boy’
even open-minded Berkeley would draw the line at that, fortunately
We’ve already seen Ann Coulter this evening screaming that the NY Post has “…fallen to the level of a tabloid.” So I guess anything’s possible.
Seriously, can anyone give me an examples of what it has taken for any Republican or Republican pundit to become so discredited that no-one listens to them any more? O’Reilly still has a show. Coulter and Malkin are still all over the TV. Jack Burkman still has a job.
Jeff Gannon is the closest I can think of, and he was a male prostitute, with a website with photos and testimonials and everything. And even he gets invited onto Bill Maher and GLBT Issues panels.
Boxer shorts the rest of us.
And in Louisiana, as far as the “dead girl” thing goes, it would depend on how cold she had gotten…
Boxer’s rebellion must not be tolerated.
Swift!
Alas, poor Yoowretch, no one really wanted to know him well.
Actually, I’m with Yoo. I find it appalling that the judiciary would require the applicaton of the Laws of WAR and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, in essence, the whole thing like a criminal Justice matter.
I’m sure our prosecutors and ex-es here can explain all about the application of the laws if war to their criminal proceedings. I believe these days a fife and bugle corps is mandatory for felony charges. Juror who don’t salute the prosecutor go RIGHT to the brig.
His other points are well taken too, IMO. For example, the extremely creative, but much maligned DOJ submission of the Liar,Liar Pants On Fire legal theory for setting a suspect’s (or witness’) undergarments on fire, beginning with elastic waistbands, in order to obtain truth AND have the added hilarity of it being delivered with novel footwork. How could they not buy that? Creative was only one word for it.
Then there was the Yoo-Haul theory of interrogation, based loosely on an old Western custom that may trace back to the middle ages or beyond. Under the Yoo-Haul interpretation of the Due Process Clause, it can be construed together with the interstate commerce clause to allow for U-Hauls, on either side of a state line and facing in opposing directions, to be linked with a chain from the bumpers, joined in the middle to a suspect. I believe a checkered flag was also involved. That the Court would turn its back on such creativity creates not only concern, but a feeling bordering on alarm.
I think poor Prof Yoo has been unduly and unfairly maligned. After all, he took a reasonable and principled stand against the horrific Clintonian abuses of Executive Power, declaring protections of park lands from logging roads and clear cut. And while this seems inconsistent, morally, ethically, legally and logically with his “Bush -King of the World” stance of late, it was joined by the thread of creativity. I believe his “Hey, how are the American People going to get to see a tree if there’s a Freakin Forest in the Way” discourse may go down as some of the most persuasively wooden of all the arguments ever tindered to the Court.
The prof – a Yoonit of Logic that may defy equal in our time.
knuckledragger 52 – are you from that necro the woods?
al-Scooter 44, And here I thought the Post would have to rise to reach the level of a tabloid.
One of the great ironies of the Yoo, and WH argument (”What the court is doing is attempting to suppress creative thinking,”) is that Yoo et al expected the Court to in effect become “activist judges” and depart from strict interpretation of the constitution. now where have we heard those complaints before?
Ghostman
Me, the everhopeful foolish optimist. Maybe Boxer has a deal going with Lieberman, and this is part of his price. What would be worth it, I don’t know. Can’t think of anything worth it other than something that takes Lieberman out of gang of 14. Otherwise, can’t think of why she would do it.
Me, the everhopeful foolish optimist. Maybe Boxer has a deal going with Lieberman, and this is part of his price. What would be worth it, I don’t know. Can’t think of anything worth it other than something that takes Lieberman out of gang of 14. Otherwise, can’t think of why she would do it.
I don’t get why Dems would back Joe in exchange for him voting Democratic on certain issues. Why not just work to replace him with someone who votes Democrat all the time?
Mary – the Due Process Clause, that’s gotta be a typo. Substitute the Dupe Raw Cess Pool of thought.
Mary: isn’t Yoo’s elucidation of the “Flotation Method” for the discernment of witches masterful! I’ve been trying to get our County Prosecutor and the Archbishop to read all about it …
Oh, punaise, I would be mortified at the prospect, as I am not from Arkansas…
Why not just work to replace him with someone who votes Democrat all the time?
shocking concept!
AirportCat 48 – obviously even the “good guys” suffer from some degree of the same insularity disease as murder monkey himself.
They are about to discover the verb Jane.
Mary @55, what are you having? and did you bring enough to share with the rest of the calss?
Jane, are you still here? this is for you, from …wait, I’ve completely lost track of from when.
Anyhow, the last youtube evening.
(If I’ve done this right, that is. So un-tech)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ch=Siberry
Either close your eyes and just listen or imagine your own, much-better video. this one doesn’t do the song justice.
Your comments to Barbara Boxer may be directed to her PAC FOR A CHANGE email address:
info@pacforachange.com
There’s no way to blog on Senator Boxer’s PAC website. I guess Harry Reid got word to her: providing that capability results in back-talk. Must we start a blog EVERY DAY to reach to these Washington Democracts?
Deeply, deeply at odds with my usually courageous Senator this evening. Hoping our messages will help her find her way in this.
I think that Yoo, torture, and Berkeley should always be mentioned together. Institutions should be able to distinguish between celebrity academics and notorious academics. When they don’t, they should be shamed for it. This goes for Douglas Feith at Georgetown or even the lighter than air David Brooks at Duke.
Great piece, as usual, T.
And:
Fuck! That’s just timely!
knuckledragger 62 – you know where this one is going to end up, don’t you? the dead let her off hiss.
knuckledragger 62 – you know where this one is going to end up, don’t you? the dead let her off hiss.
Of corpse, that’s embalmatic of what happens when your arguments don’t have proper rigor.
And what floats on water?
A duck!
Very small rocks!
Wood!
Correct, and what happens to wood in fire?
It floats!
So, if she floats on water, she’s a witch, and we shall burn her.
Witch! Witch! Burn her! Burn her!
(Well, not *always*, but pretty damn coffin)
#60: because replacing incumbants is difficult, and causes severe cognitive dissonance in other incumbants when they back said course. But who knows, I have given up trying to figure out why most incumbant national office Dems act they way they do. The GOP folks are easy, either they believe it or out of intense pants-pissing fear of the thugging and mugging they will get from their masters.
Maybe the answer is in punaise puns.
Yoo do something to me,
Something that really mystifies me.
Tell me, why should it be
Yoo have the pow’r to hypnotize me?
Let me live ‘neath your spell,
Yoo do that voodoo that Yoo do so well, for
Yoo do something to me
That nobody else could do.
(Profund apologies to Cole Porter)
Hugh,
If you’re going to mention Dook, don’t forget Nixon (law ‘37)!!!!
what do they have to say about this over at the Coroner?
because replacing incumbants is difficult, and causes severe cognitive dissonance in other incumbants when they back said course.
Yeah, I know. But I think Joe is vulnerable enough that they should have all the leverage. I suspect he would happily screw them on any deal they made if he got re-elected.
what do they have to say about this over at the Coroner?
That’s it’s a very serious undertaking, much like war in the ME.
wesgpc 74 – well I did propose “cognitive diss’n us” yesterday
There might be grave consequences if we Lurch from one policy to another. What would Addams say?
Is it actually possible for Republicans to be discredited?
If Ken Lay can have a heart attack, a Republican can be discredited.
all the Ghoul Gidz are saying it
Link: http://www.nndb.com/people/100/000047956/
Punaise,
I’ve been buried by that argument before. Of course, I wasn’t alone, I was joined by my friend Al, as the excavation provided room formaldehyde…
OMG, Mommybrain!!!
I love Jane Siberry!
I can’t go on. this is killin’ me.
There might be grave consequences if we Lurch from one policy to another. What would Addams say?
It’s tomb soon to tell. Maybe *next* Wednesday, after Things have had some time to Fester.
Eli-
You’re right when it comes to the media. I think the legal community is another matter.
Personally, I think Kenny Boy offed himself as he was too chickenshit to face life without the prospects of his Burberry overcoat and Glenfiddich to keep him warm…
You’re right when it comes to the media. I think the legal community is another matter.
Anyone discredited by the legal community would just become a well-paid talking head. What’s Ann Coulter’s standing in the legal community these days?
Playing hooky from work today (hey, the whole nation is) I finally wandered over to Eli’s blog. Can’t pimp it highly enough. Smart kids & their girlfriends rock & energize the world.
Pay-to-playgiarize?
Yoo’ll get the rest in pieces.
Whoa. Thanks, Sharkbabe!
I don’t know about lawyers, but among playwrights and poets, she’d be diss-bard.
Much of Yoo’s disenchantment with standard legal theory is that he blames it for the demise of the Inquisition. Ah, those were the days. Yoo will never see their like again.
one hundred comments in less than an hour. TRex can fill the seats.
I dunno how you don’t kill yourself with your sheer amazingness, punaise.
Good night and carry on, properly enraged beautifuls.
punaise @96: pundead
Yoo and the night and the music
Fill me with flaming desire,
Setting my being completely on fire!
Yoo and the night and the music
Grill me but will we be one
After the night and the music are done?
Until the pale light of dawning and daylight,
Our hearts will be throbbing guitars,
Morning may come without warning,
And take away the stars.
If we must live for the moment,
Love till the moment is through!
After the night and the music die,
Will I have Yoo?
Eli, I am not going to argue with Yoo. We are both dead to rights on this. :)
‘night Sharkbabe!
(so how much did you get from Eli for the product placement?) :~)
I’d like to waterboard Yoo in a cathedral for about 15 hours, accompanied by Bach, and then remind him that he wasn’t suffering from organ failure…
close ital
turn off the italics! (Aren’t they meeting the French in the World Cup Final?)
France is going to close Italics on Sunday….Allez, les Bleus!
France vs. Italy in Berlin; it’s deja vu all over again!
gnight again all and whoever ital knucklehead, I slap you but lovingly
AirportCat on a breakaway – he shoots – he scores!
Sharkbabe,
promises, promises!
I believe the Court’s new line of cases may come to be known at the “Yoo can’t always get what Yoo want” cases. Executive to Executioner – I think he was just trying, creatively, to conjugate a noun.
It’s not like there’s any rule against it, is there? It seems like every Republican speech is about a “person, place and things” conjugation.
I actually appreciated the way he established a base for his argument – at least 6 naked guys in dog collars on their hands and knees, and WHO could argue with that? And his program for rendition victims — how can people not see his all-American side? Enlisting Delta in the Patriotic Pledge, whereby every rendition flight earns frequent flyer miles – pure genius.
And his playful approach to testicular razoring – I think throughout the middle east it will forever be referred to, fondly, as YooNicking.
His students have so much to learn. An institution would be proud to have Prof Yoo. As a matter of fact, I believe several have been seeking him out. Some have even offered a nice conservative jacket he can wear while teaching in their halls.
‘night, Sharkbabe. Sleep well.
Axis v. Allied Forces
Allons, enfants de la patrie
le jour glore et arrive …
(or something along those lines)
Bonne nuit, mes amis. Avez bons reves…
Yoo must have been a beautiful baby
Yoo must have been a wonderful child
When yoo were only starting to go to kindergarten
I bet yoo drove those other childs wild.
And when it came to winning blue ribbons
I bet Yoo taught those other kids how.
I can see the judges’ eyes when they handed Yoo the prize
Yoo had the cutest bow.
Yoo must’ve been a beautiful baby
Cause baby look at Yoo now.
Mary at 114 – a nice conservative jacket he can wear
Ah, Embraceable Yoo
From Yoonitary executive to solitary confinement?
(so how much did you get from Eli for the product placement?) :~)
surely you know – and are living proof of – good stuff sells itself
OK – really freakin GNIGHT!
al-Scooter 76 – Ewe Yoo so well
There’s an incredible article over on MFI’s blog today – he’s posted an article by Haifa Zangana – http://commentisfree.guardian……ofile.html – along with an interview with her. The article explains precisely what Yoo’s evil has done and is a must read (really must read):
All Iraq is Abu Ghraib
Our streets are prison corridors and our homes cells as the occupiers go about their strategic humiliation and intimidation.
by Haifa Zangana
http://gorillasguides.blogspot.com/
Well, I hope you have some questions for WaPoO’s “The Fix blogger Chris Cizzilla, because his chatz at 11 eastern Thursday:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01003.html
“Can Bush Bouce Back?” with WaPo associate editor Robert Kaiser chatz at Noon eastern
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01078.html
Dana Priest chatz on National Security at 12:30pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01469.html
Questions accepted right now! Beat the questioning beltway consultant rush in the a.m…..
Mary’s rockin’ the casbah tonight! the only jacket I’d like to see Yoo (not you) in is the kind with the arms that strap around and tie in the back.
(here’s where I duck out to do some of the work that didn’t get done today because I just … can’t …shake … this FDL habit….)
nother great thread – you people so awesome
shutting down mac NOW, I mean it!!
al-Scooter – solitary confinement, or the Unitary Executive Suite?
Yoo, you’re driving me crazy! What did I do? What did I do?
My tears for Yoo make everything hazy, clouding the skies of blue
How true, were the friends who were near me to cheer me
Believe, me they knew, but Yoo
Were the kind who would hurt me, desert me
When I needed Yoo
Yes Yoo, you’re driving me crazy! What did I do to you?
The problem with Yoo is that he isn’t on TV enough. Tweetie? Timmeh? Get this guy a platform.
Sharkbabe, famous last words . . .
YooToob
Yoo’ll never know how much I really love Yoo.
Yoo’ll never know how much I really care.
Listen, do Yoo want to know a secret?
Do Yoo promise not tell? Closer…
(so how much did you get from Eli for the product placement?) :~)
Eli- collateral damage, sorry …no harm, no foul?
nite sharkebabe….
Yooniversal Hellth care!
Yooniversity of California?
Good night, Sharkbabe!
Can I be your new girlfriend?
ah, no more slanty letters, my neck was hurting with the rightward slant. thank you!
Yoo Cut Hang Peninsula
138: Sharkbabe x TRex = ? something with a biting sense of humor, no doubt!
closing laptop….
*poof*
Eli- collateral damage, sorry …no harm, no foul?
No such thing as bad publicity. For anyone heading over there anyway, if you check out the Multi Medium Manifesto at the top of my links section, you’ll never have to pay attention to my blog or my comments ever again, unless you like puns, photographs, or… strangeness.
Back to the Supreme Court and God again . . . thanks, TRex!
My take on Senator Boxer was EPU’ed last thread but suffice it to say my hunch is she’ll stand down sooner rather than later if Mrs. Lieberman gives her the nod. In any event I doubt we’ll be hearing a peep from Barbara Boxer until after the debate tomorrow at the soonest.
The Dean of Boalt is Here. Share the love. But. Be polite or I will seek you out and administer condign punishment.
As for Senator Boxer…how to put this to you delicate souls. She’s no better than she should be.
I thought her keynote at YearlyKos showed exactly what’s wrong with her. She thinks her polished bag of tricks and slick presentation will allow her to sell any audience whatever b.s. she wants to put out.
Didn’t work on us Kossacks.
She is a Corporate Democrat, so is ‘Gurney Joe’, thus she will support The GurneyMan. As for all you citizens who think her so fine…One question:
Given that she is totally secure in her seat in California why does she continually vote to supply whatever, I say again whatever, obscene amount of money that the Bush Junta asks to keep the meatgrinder of Iraq chewing up our soldiers. Why doesn’t she use a no vote to gain the bully pulpit and attack failed policies of the Bush Junta. Is that not what principled politicians do?
Hint: Check who contributes to her campaign fund.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past time for a reality check here in CA.
Punaise – I don’t think it will wrap. Conservative jackets are very straight. ;-)
Yoo must remember this
he never meant to diss
the fundamental rights remain
unchained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I think in times like this, we need to breath deeply, reach for a cardigan, and channel Mr. Rogers.
Won’t Yoo be my torturer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>.
While he never convinced the Court that two wrongs make a right, they did agree that it takes two Yoos to make a W. They didn’t seem to know why he brought it up, but at least they did agree.
Some days, yoo take what yoo can get.
(btw – room formaldehyde – ROFL)
The full repugnance of John Yoo’s views came to light last December in a debate in Chicago with Professor Doug Cassel of the University of Notre Dame:
So, why is someone who doesn’t understand seventh-grade civics teaching constitutional law at Berkeley?
In any case, capital punishment trumps tenure:
BarbaraB recommends: “For those of you interested in another take on Yoo’s ‘creativity’ from another former OLC lawyer, take a look at http://balkin.blogspot.com/” Here Balkin argues that the Executive Branch is in the business of law enforcement, and OLC (where Yoo worked) was in the business of advising the Execuive Branch how to interpret and enforce those laws. The lawyers in OLC have direct line responsibility for crimes committed by the Executive Branch on their advice.
Be afraid, John Yoo. Be very afraid.
I want to tell Yoo
My head is filled with things to say
When you’re here
All those words they seem to slip away
When I get near Yoo
The games begin to drag me down
(It’s all right
I’ll make Yoo maybe next time around)
But if I seem to act unkind
It’s only me it’s not my mind
That is confusing things
I want to tell Yoo
I feel hung up but I don’t know why,
I don’t mind
I could wait forever, I’ve got time
Sometimes I wish I knew Yoo well,
Then I could speak my mind and tell Yoo
Maybe Yoo’d understand
Words of John Yoo regarding another administration: “President Clinton exercised the powers of the imperial presidency to the utmost in the area in which those powers are already at their height – in our dealings with foreign nations. Unfortunately, the record of the administration has not been a happy one, in light of its costs to the Constitution and the American legal system. On a series of different international relations matters, such as war, international institutions, and treaties, President Clinton has accelerated the disturbing trends in foreign policy that undermine notions of democratic accountability and respect for the rule of law.”
See:
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/…..allin.html
The Federalists’ and Yoo’s original intent seems to be similar to the Fundamentalist Christians concept of inerrancy. Their interpretation is correct; all who disagree are in error. In each case, it has nothing to do with “original intent”. And everything to do with politics.
I’m more a theologian than a lawyer. But this is the way I see it.
*unpoof* – is this “new” news?:
President Clinton exercised the powers of the imperial presidency to the utmost in the area in which those powers are already at their height – in our dealings with foreign nations. Unfortunately, the record of the administration has not been a happy one, in light of its costs to the Constitution and the American legal system.
Unfortunately, some presidents just can’t be trusted with absolute power…
Off to bed, but in a field of stiff competition, this may end up being the threadwinner:
Yooniversal Hellth care!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Some results have been reported on Yahoo about Ken Lay’s autopsy:
“Dr. Robert Kurtzman, Mesa County Coroner, said his autopsy showed Lay died of heart disease while on vacation in Aspen, Colo.”
and
“Kurtzman said the autopsy revealed that Lay had a heart attack in the past.”
No talk about a toxicology screen. “Heart disease” seems very nonspecific to me. This sounds like a “Don’t know but he died from it” kind of thing. It makes you wonder if the coroner is one of those elected ones who wouldn’t notice a gunshot wound unless it was pointed out to him first. I’m not saying that Lay couldn’t have died from a coronary or an arrhythmia. I’m just saying I find this sloppy and uninformative.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..mYw–
Can a link like that actually work? We’ll see.
Yoo’s Theory : I speak for the King and may all little people suffer.
Until SCOTUS takes them both out to the woodshed.
Now George wears padded britches. Lindsey gets no cigar, and we know who is all Yoosed up and sent back to Berkeley.
And all little people suffer
“I can only hope that this marks the beginning of your much-deserved trip to the slag-heap of history, Johnnyoo, where you will join such humiliated and discredited shills as Judy Miller, Bob Novak, Joe McCarthy, Oliver North, and Ahmed Chalabi….”
lest we forget bob woodward: another vile powerblind shill.
Hugh 154, agreed – he had a heart attack in the past, but not this time? So what was the proximate cause of death? “Heart disease” is (any doctors correct me if I’m wrong) the underlying cause of death.
No talk about a toxicology screen.
IANAC (I am not a coroner), but I think those take a few weeks.
Ken Lay may well have committed suicide, but I like the idea of God saying, “I’ll handle this.” And taking care of business.
Anon 148 – John Yoo has no reason to be afraid unless the rule of law is restored, and we actually start holding this administration accountable for its crimes. And when has any administration been truly held accountable? Nixon’s comes the closest, and we’re a long way from those kinds of actions.
Somehow I’ve got in the back of my mind that previous heart attacks leave a type of scarring on the heart….maybe that’s what the Doctor saw.
Ghostman
Well, Ken Lay was no doubt under severe stress for a good many years before this, and with good reason. That does tend to put a strain on the heart.
Yeah, Ghostman, not questioning that there would be evidence of a prior heart attack, only pointing out that the cause of death isn’t specified.
Ken Lay’s heart failed him many, many years before.
this is the most fun I’ve had (on a computer, anyway) in a long time, but I do have a day job … good night, all …
>^..^
Now suffering classic Late Nite FDL withdrawal symptoms. Must go to bed. Picture (or don’t) pouting worthy of Ramona Quimby.
Sleep well, AC.
*ilson –
The modern era was shaped by right wing “agent provocateurs” — JFK was killed so that the Viet Nam war could be expanded, for the greater good of right wing defense contractors and right wing politicos who wanted to disrupt the emergent progressive movement.
The Rove-Bush-Cheney Criminal Conspiracy is both the Apotheosis and the Last Gasp of that Right Wing Axis of Evil.
food for thought . . .
161, yep, strange that they can’t put down a cause of death. Maybe its simply that the want to complete the blood work in order to rule out various theories. Who knows.
Ghostman
Schadenfreude, baby. I attended a discussion with the co-author of the torture memo, forget the immoral f*ck’s name. God he pissed me off. His legal arguments have been nuked. Considering the complete and utter stupid, vapid, self-serving, evil arguments they have built their careers upon, I hope Yoo and his co-author’s careers sink. Berkeley needs to toss out Yoo for flagrant legal incompetence bordering on treason for undermining the U.S. Constitution and its system of government. Then they can take up residence in one of the tent camps homeless veterans with PTSD (many of whom are veterans of this current occupation–not a war, damnit) are now living in.
‘course, that’s not going to happen. But what a disgusting man.
An initial tox screen probably could be done in an hour for barbituates, amphetamines, alcohol, etc. Specific drugs might involve sendouts and take longer but less than a week, especially if expedited.
Scarring of the heart muscle usually results in thinning of the wall. It is easier to see in a living person because you can do functional studies.
Classic “heart attacks” leave telltale signatures in EKGs but those at the base and, I believe, posteriorly, often don’t.
Hey – just got an email from John Laesch’s campaign with pics that show what retail politics is all about:
http://www.john06.com/node/136
enjoy!
and send John some love along with Ned!
http://www.actblue.com/page/downwithtyranny
Go Laesch! Sure would be a win for the good folks.
Someone posted this link earlier today. Nice to see a country clean up after (illegal renditions and torture) itself. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/5/105524/4085
Time to throw my post on Yoo into the Yoofest:
http://www.docstrangelove.com/…..s-it-safe/
Enjoy! :)
Ha! Ken Lay without energy. How ironic.
Oh well, before hitting the sack, a few stray thoughts. Gross examination of the heart might show signs of old scarring. Staining and histology slides definitely would. You might also expect an increase in cardiac enzymes such as troponin indicating cell death in the heart. Like so many medical reports in the media, Lay’s is frustratingly vague. Still if he had life insurance, his insurers might want to take a closer look.
Ha! Ken Lay without energy. How ironic.
He forgot to pay his bill.
172: well, well. I’ve been wondering when something along the lines of that kos story would start to bubble up. Oh, as to the CIA agents and warrants….those agents are long gone and we’ll never co-operate in their return. But I consider that the small potatoes.
The BIGGER story is the arrest of the Italian intel guys, along with the recent elections. Italy was pretty involved in all that yellow cake stuff…falsifying evidence and so forth. If the new gov’t pursues the leads, the false evidence could lead right back to the WH.
Ghostman
Yep, unplugged in the heartland
Rush Limbaugh riddle solved!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..NtZW5ld3M-
I wonder if Ledeen gets back into Italy after this.
Yep, unplugged in the heartland
God hit that big button that says, “SMITE”.
Tried to post and it disappeared. So once again. A gross examination of the heart might show old scarring. Staining and histology sections (slides) definitely would. If death was not instantaneous, you might expect elevations in cardiac enzymes such as troponin.
Overall, the coroner’s statement doesn’t say more than that Lay died. If he had a big insurance policy the insurers might want to take a closer look at the data; otherwise it is: Controversial figure dies, nothing more to see here, move along.
punaise at 10:20 p
This NYT’s article from about a half an hour ago doesn’t mention it.
“Clinton Moves a Bit From Lieberman, and the War”
“….Leading Democrats in the Senate — including Senator Charles E. Schumer, the head of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, and Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts — are also planning to back the challenger, Ned Lamont, if he defeats Mr. Lieberman in the primary next month, their advisers said yesterday….”
179: Ledeen. Now there’s a subject one could spend many hours discussing. I see that you understand good ole Ledeen.
Ghostman
Nah, God hit him with a smirk, the smite comes later.
Dude, the AP says North Korea is fueling up more missiles.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..0bQ–
What the hell, man? Has Kim Jong Il just now seen “Team America”?
Strange, I keep trying to post comments and they keep disappearing or I’m told they are duplicates even though they don’t show. How odd.
“Clinton Moves a Bit From Lieberman, and the War”
Go, Peter Daou, go!!
Last try. A gross examination of the heart might show old scarring. Staining and histology sections (slides) definitely would. If death was not instantaneous, you might expect elevations in cardiac enzymes such as troponin.
Overall, the coroner’s statement doesn’t say much more than that Lay died. If he had a big insurance policy the insurers might want to take a closer look at the data; otherwise it is: Controversial figure dies, nothing more to see here, move along.
damn. this is like BREAKING NEWS in the middle of the night. Mr. Casper discusses what I think to be a significant development….dominoes starting to fall?
Next….NK is fueling again????? You know, those idiots are gonna screw up one time, and send a rocket onto japanese soil. Not good.
Ghostman
Trex, please feel free to eliminate my duplicates. I have no idea why they all disappeared and re appeared. Must be one of those late nite things. And with that, good night.
TRex is a GREAT writer! I always look forward to his entries. And this one was no exception. I was laughing at some of what he had to say. Does he have a site of his own?
182
Ledeen is one serious player, but I keep reading up on this guy, and I realize I don’t know jack about him. Spooky dude, and indispensable to the Cheney & Bolton types.
TRex -
‘Clinton Moves a Bit From Lieberman, and the War
Go, Peter Daou, go!!
do you suppose we might tend to over-emphasize the impact Daou is having? After all, he’s a net advisor, not a policy advisor, non? just wondering. maybe he called in his chips right off the bat with the Lieberman thing, threatenting to walk, publicly and loudly.
North Korea has everything to gain by playing a game of brinkmenship less he end up like Saddam. When negotiations are finally made he will have a stronger hand to deal. The guy is poor not stupid.
Bribes, 170: Was it Bybee?
Shell – here is TRex’s very own blog:
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..gspot.com/
190: you’re right on target. Keep reading. You’ll come across his fingerprints on multiple continents, and stretching over several decades. A very dark-side guy. And, yep, he’s the guy that “makes it happen” for folks like Cheney et al.
His cover is that of a conservative think-tanker intellect on global matters. Step carefully if you ever get around him.
Ghostman
do you suppose we might tend to over-emphasize the impact Daou is having? After all, he’s a net advisor, not a policy advisor, non? just wondering.
That was a joke, bien sur.
maybe he called in his chips right off the bat with the Lieberman thing, threatenting to walk, publicly and loudly.
I can’t imagine anything more antithetical to my notion of how Daou would handle a situation. He strikes me as a much more complex thinker than that.
Heh. I can’t help myself.
The Tao of Daou.
Seriously, though. What the hell is Kim Jong Il thinking?
darn it, TRex, I fell for it. blame it on multi-tasking.
the Daou is up today.
Yoo has every right to be upset.
How dare the Supreme Court act like it is actually an independent co-equal branch of government? The Hubris! Next thing you know it will declare it has the right to tell us exactly what the law is. They must be stopped before they hijack the Constitution which, as we all know according to Article II, places all powers in the President.
Sidney Blumenthal weighs in at salon.com:
Mr. Trex: even the finest minds at Langley struggle to get a grip on Dear Leader’s actions. Obviously, these aren’t pure scientific testing moves. You don’t “light them all off” for that purpose.
I best describe him by an analogy to a 3 year old throwing a tantrum. Seriously! Can you figure out the deep motivations of a tantrum child? Perhaps he wants attention? Perhaps China quietly asked him to cool it, and this is his reply. And finally, it could be that some of his generals have heard that he’s facing criticism….so this is dear leader’s way to show his own generals that he’s “macho”. I know….it’s crazy.
Ghostman
#148 at 10:19, that would be marvy. I’m a permanent FDL lurker who can’t post from work, but that will soon be over since i’m starting law school in the fall. I’d love nothing more than to see international law assert itself here in Berkeley, and have a bunch of Mexican commandos in UN uniforms arrest Yoo and drag him off to the Hague.
That is nothing more than a Blumenthal excite piece. Congress will pass whatever necessary to bypass the Supreme decision. Dems will line up with them, they will not let a President of either party fall down like that. Damn the Consitutional crisis it will cause till later.
To understand John Yoo, all you really need to know is that he was born in South Korea to what the Washington Post described as staunchly anti-communist parents, which (reading between the lines) means “supporters of Syngman Rhee.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00570.html
If you’re too young to remember Syngman Rhee, here’s his Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syngman_Rhee
This paragraph is particularly instructive, I think: “[Rhee] governed in an authoritarian manner and allowed the internal security force to detain and torture suspected Communists and North Korean agents. His government also oversaw several massacres, the most notable being on the island of Jeju in response to an uprising by leftist factions. While massacres did occur under the regimes that succeeded Rhee, they were fewer in number and less widespread.”
Kind of puts in all in perspective, doesn’t it? Oh, and Bribes 170, that torture memo co-author you are thinking of was probably Jay Bybee. He now sits on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Not exactly a sinking career. Yoo was undoubtedly being groomed for the bench, but I devoutly trust that’s over now. I do suspect the Berkeley administration is trying to get someone to endow a chair for Yoo somewhere far, far away.
I second the suggestion that UC Berkeley always be mentioned in connection w/ Yoo’s name. They have every right to hire whom they want, but they also must accept the shame and other consequences that flow therefrom.
195-Ledeen
The name ‘Ghorbanifar’ keeps popping up. I remember him as the shiftless MF’er from Iran-Contra, a so-called arms dealer, middleman, and facilitator of everything moderate in Tehran. Those two back a very long way. Bob McFarlane and the rest of the Reagan creatures, whose motives may have begun as pure, all soiled by Ledeen’s acquaintances.
Thanks, Mike!
Now SISMI! Thanks, Mike!
salon:
Inside the Bush administration, senior legal authorities refer to their novel framing of the law as the “war paradigm.”
brother, can you paradigm?
and re: the missile lauches. as much as people hate to admit it and mock their government, and whether or not they’re guilty of human rights abuses*, they’re a fucking soverign nation. If they want to shoot a bunch of expensive rockets into the ocean, we can’t do a damn thing about it. Yes, it’s the Republicans’ fault for not addressing the problem earlier -duh, they’re not sitting on top of a billion barrels of crude, so why would we deal with them in the first place- but really, who cares? It’s not like they’re a credible threat, so why waste time/effort even having this conversation?
*oh, and re: human rights abuses, log in our eyes, mote in theirs, etc etc.
brother, can you paradigm?
OH!
Rubricious!
206: ahhhhh…..trips down memory lane. Yep, you’re all over it. Ledeen’s tentacles also touch Hamas, Hezbollah, and various and sundry Middle East nations. Oh, and let’s not forget his tie-ins to those delightful arms factories back in “them thar piney woods” (that’s Texan talk…chuckle) of the old Czechoslovokia. Many many tentacles.
Ghostman
I got yer Yoo endowed chair right here
Don’t for the life of me understand how a very junior legal talent (John Yoo) working at the behest of a gang of criminals (the Cheney administration) comes up with an insane and indefensible legal argument (the torture memo), has it become policy (Abu Ghraib), shames this country in the eyes of the rest of the world (Guantanemo, Haditha, et al) and then becomes a tenured professor in the law school of one of the most liberal universities in the country (UC Berkeley).
What are we missing here? How deep is the fix in, really….?!
Well, y’all. One more cigarette and I’m off to bed. Check the locks, turn down the air, scoop up the kitty and call me done for the day. Everybody sleep tight.
Thanks for everything, firedogs.
no offense trex, but “honky” is so very LIMP.
“why you damn…….HONKY!!!”
ouch. please stop. not.
i remember as a kid (before i had the full arsenal of profanity), how ridiculous it sounded during fights to call the only white kid in our neighborhood- honky.
call yoo a fuckin asshole who along with many other fuckin assholes gave this idiot the rationale to trample human rights, civil liberties, and the rule of law.
call him something that says something. honky aint shit.
leave the porch light on… buenos nachos
McGee: Yoo was used by the WH for cover…legal cover. That part I get. Now….how he winds up, as you mention, at Berkeley…is fuzzy for me.
A guess? He was offered, by the WH, a job anywhere. ?Yoo has family/friends out there? For some reason Yoo likes that area. Sooo….phone calls are made, strings pulled, perhaps some fed money obliquely threatened to be held up….OR, huge grants promised….and presto! Yoo now works there. That’s my hunch…I don’t have any personal knowledge on this particular subject.
Ghostman
call him something that says something. honky aint shit.
You’re talking to a man who tried to rhyme “repercussions”. I never claimed to have mad skillz.
Anyway, that’s kind of the joke. It’s like calling them “crackers” or “bumpkins”.
i guess in some circles, the ultimate insult would be…
“you damn….REPUBLCIAN!!!”
i guess i meant REPUBLICAN
Ghostman & McGee:
Here’s the Board of Regents of the University of California.
http://www.universityofcalifor…..lcome.html
See them?
McGee — Yoo wasn’t really the architect (sorry, Punaise.) That was Addington. Yoo (and Bybee) just papered the transaction. Hired guns. As for how he wound up at Berkeley, consider the chronology. His resume didn’t have those classified memos on it. He was already tenured (and Bybee was already on the 9th Cir.) when they were disclosed — and in fact, some of those memos are still classified, which ought to give all of us chills. As for why he was hired, my guess is that he was a diversity hire — for both racial and viewpoint diversity. Kind of ironic now, but Boalt would have known Yoo was conservative but could not have known about the extent of his “creativity.”
Love the endowed chair, Punaise, but the Hague doesn’t do death sentences. That’s why Saddam is being tried in Iraq. BTW, I find it grimly amusing that the Administration is now claiming that there’s a “national security” exception to the Geneva Conventions. That’s been Saddam’s defense from the gitgo. Maybe Bush should hire Ramsey Clark.
more charming Yoo-thin-age-ya at salon.com
BarbaraB – it’s a “Medeival torture chair” found on google
oops, end blockquote
One other point as I toddle off to bed. Please do not harass Berkeley, firepups. Academic freedom protects Yoo, and you really shouldn’t want it any other way. I assure you that there are many more liberal professors than there are conservatives, and these days, the liberals are the ones who need protection the most. Academic freedom is all they’ve got, and in case you haen’t noticed, there are howling rightwing mobs with pitchforks out there. G’night, all.
BarbaraB 205, I was too little to be aware of that history wrt Rhee. Very interesting, and yes, it does shed light on John Yoo.
time for Ghostman to hit the rack. Newtonusr: a) I think the list of Regents, filled with financial, software, and brokerage house connections probably is the answer. Yep. There’s the connections with the WH.
b) on Ledeen….you’ll have an interesting time studying him if so inclined. I don’t know what’s on the net about him or I’d direct you to a site. But I’m sure there’s some goodies out there in internet land. From shady millionaires to lowly bagmen…he knows them all. Good luck. And good night.
Ghostman
I too shall fold. G’night all.
BarbaraB
Great point. Ya’think the lib profs @ Cal admire their “colleague”? They should not have to suffer for his criminality.
Ghostman
This place always sends me off to new HWork assignments. Got the Ledeen bug a little.
I’m off, too. Night all.
I’m glad you found it interesting, Margot. I am, unfortunately, old enough to remember Rhee, but I had forgotten that when the Koreans finally kicked him out, our government whisked him away with his stolen millions so he could spend his remaining years in Honolulu. We don’t mind murderous despots when they’re friendly murderous despots. Uzbekistan, anyone? And now, really, bedtime.
OK, just one more! Newtonusr, I am absolutely sure that Yoo’s colleagues at Berkeley resent having to breathe the same air. He is a pariah, but there is nothing they can do about it except to hope that he decides to go somewhere more congenial. Yoo’s colleagues will break out the champagne when that happens. Really.
T-Rex, fantastic post! You got me with “…all his beautiful wickedness.” Thank you for a great post tonight.
BarbaraB
I wonder if Yoo’s out of reach? A Dem-run Senate might have a few questions, the answers to which would be, well, enlightening… Follow up, Dems!
But Dems made mistakes in these areas before. Imagine what the Bush name would have been worth if the Clinton Justice Dept. had prosecuted Neil Bush for plundering S & L’s.
Unfortunately, Yoo walks free today, and for the forseeable future. And thought crimes are what BushCo is looking for; we shouldn’t be like them.
OT maybe, but I think very on point here. Michael Ledeen, John Yoo, Condi Rice, Douglas Feith et al (one could literally go on for hours here) really all have very questionable qualifions in their supposed areas of academic expertise. Condi’s PHD thesis on Czech/Soviet Warsaw Pact relations was literally ridiculed at its time of publication in a peer-reviewed publication (Foriegn Affairs Quarterly) for it’s laughably false conclusions, Ledeen’s published views on Italian history are questioned by most outside of Gabrielle D’Annunzio fans and P-2 (fascist) adherents, Feith still might be the “stupidest guy on the planet”, etc., etc.
This gang is definitely not your A-Team…
I don’t think this Yoo = Honky business really works all that well. While you may have the license to use the honorary ugly white man epithet, there is nothing to suggest that Yoo is racist or that he is buying into the “ugly white” culture. No doubt he’s an asshole, a turd, a prick, neo-fascist but honky or honkyesque? The regime and its supporters, however much they are aware of racist signals and use them appear oddly enough not racist in its objectives. This distinguishes them from the nazi antecedents as fascist as they are. It would be a lot easier to attack them if they are racist, but they aren’t so attacking them on racist themes just doesn’t work. This is aside from the issue of the fine line between ugly and funny when dealing with racial jokes.
McGee
I think it’s possible that these people are just, reliable That’s all. How else to explain all this?
Idealogues at the very very top, and just worker bees all the way down (thanks Bertrand Russell).
Well, I have been lurking for the past few hours, catching up on comments, and I am about all Yoo’d out. Good night, whoever’s still here.
And I wish U-Haul a very pleasant morning.
THANKS punaise. TRex has a new regular reader to his blog.
The LA Times isn’t verry happy about the “Jihad” being waged against Whiny Joe, and think it’s unfair that he’s being “targeted for defeat by national fundraisers based on his foreign policy views.”
No mention of his vote for cloture on Alito, no acknowledgment of the CT women’s groups opposed to his continued role as arbiter of their EC choices, and nothing about his announced plan to stab the party in the back should the Democratic voters of CT reject him. Nope, it’s “all about the war.”
Thank you for calling attention to, for lack of a better term, Asian racism.
Here in the Pacific Northwest, Asians are the predominant minority group, if one can call it that. The group includes people from India, Korea, China and Taiwan, Japan, and Pacific Islands. My impression, coming from the East Coast, is that Asians are more ‘White’ than White People! The Japanese have a ‘cultural superiority’ to anyone on the mainland, India still holds caste stigmas (check out Craig’s list looking for roommates in Redmond) and that doesn’t even begin to delve into the ideas of how to assimilate into the US culture, as they are generally not “immigrants” in the traditional sense. They are recruited by high-tech and bio-tech companies; while H1-B visas are supposedly required to pay the prevailing wage, the prevailing wages are largely determined by H1-B immigrants.
I hate to write a screed like this! Still, TRex has tapped into something that exists – an immigrant ‘overclass’ that brings with it a decidedly non-egalitarian culture. True, there seems to be a cultural impetus to succeed, at least in the people who arrive here; yet, it brings with it a lot of intolerant baggage.
Good morning, and behold the yum!
Good morning, littermates! Yet another classic demonstration of creativity TRex-style leads to Lakeside song — why am I not surprised?
Well, let’s see here. Perhaps WaPo’s lede story this morning helps explain some of these DC Dems . . .
So: Seems we have us some Senators who already aren’t up to their tasks looking up and only seeing uglier ahead, so they’d just rather let those foolish Goopers soak in it. NEVER MIND that their own behavior is as short-sighted and damning as anything BushCo has sprung on us, their credo now is Awrighty Then, Le’s Us Jes’ Hide ‘n’ Watch!
It’s not that hard to understand, is it? Many a mouse makes it to ripe old age by staying out of sight. Or possibly the constant clinking of glasses and clatter of cocktail-weeny trays has damaged those sharp little ears, so that when we elect them to “Go be our knights,” they hear instead “Go be some mice.”
If our task is larger and broader than it first appeared, so be it. If we need a better, more capable and courageous breed in DC, by damn, we’ll just seek them out and nurture them ourselves.
I don’t know who said it here in the last day or so, and I may not have it down pat, but it reminds me of Christy and Rayne (well, of everyone who gathers here):
The daughter of a lion is also a lion.
So again I say, Good Morning, Littermates! We’re off to a new day of seeking and nurturing our own kind!
RRRRRRRRRRROOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR
Thass some yum we got here, tommy — thanks for totin’ it along! Good morning!
Ah, lotus! Would you like to have a cup of coffee with me?
Love to, tommy! Cheers!
Gotta sip slowly though. I think I’ve already used up today’s quota of exclamation points.
It’s gently raining outside (which is nice, as summer had begun her overstatement), and I have a nice cup of Sumatra. ‘Cos, you know, I’m one of the liberal elite.
I’m looking forward to the Lamont/whatshisname debate tonight. Even if I can’t watch it I’ll get the blow-by here at FDL. I get the feeling that Joe will somehow make himself look like an ass.
Ain’t that the truth, tommy. Honestly, this is almost like the Fourth all over again, I’, looking forward tonight so much.
‘Course, at the rate news comes in these days, who knows what else will crop up between now and then. Picked us some moughty interesting times to live in, didn’t we?
Whoops, ‘pears I hit comma instead of m.
Missing a to, too. Maybe I’ll just hush ’til I get a little farther into this cup . . .
My impression is that “may you live in interesting times” is a curse from the mysterious Orient.
Or maybe it’s Irish? I disremember. ENNY-how, it’s a mystery to me how much more “interesting” we can stand right about now . . .
‘Nother knee-slapper from WaPo for ya:
Notice the date — two years it’s taken this little morsel to appear. I dread to think what else we don’t know yet.
I’ve been thinking about our brand of takedown. When Coulter came out with that shitty line about 9/11 widows, there was justifiable rage. But I saw a lot of stuff about her gender, which was needless. Now she seems to be vulnerable to plagiarism charges (whatever happened to voter fraud?). That’s what we should have focused on.
In the same way, it’s alarming to see stuff on the threads about how Boxer is coming down to support Joe because she’s Jewish, or this asian honky stuff. If it’s snark, I’m not feeling it.
I guess what I’m saying is we don’t need to become our enemy to destroy our enemy, else we destroy ourselves. Let the Malkins, Coulters, and Roves be hoist by their own petard.
Here endeth the admonishment.
When you listed non-white racist you forgot LaTonya…LaToya…LaTasha or whatever that batshit crazy faux xtian psycho’s name is,
There’s a disturbing confluence of events happening with respect to the “loss” of of access to personal/financial information.
I think when the story’s finally told, even our most paranoid scenarios will pale.
You speak true, tommy — as did Dover Bitch and others last night. I’m sorry to see that stuff whenever it creeps in here, of all places.
I know! Some of my best friends are kikes!
Let me get one thing out of the way first. I detest Yoo’s philosophy, his attitude toward torture, his torturous use of legal reasoning, his public persona–everything.
Having said that, I have to say I don’t find the Asian Honky poem amusing, or anything but disturbing. And sitting down here at what will probably be comment number 251 or so, I’m feeling a little lonely, because I didn’t see more than one or two comments questioning, even mildly, the racial implications of the poem. Yoo’s position would be just as detestable if his name was Anderson or Stokowski or Lombardo or Schultz. There’s nothing particularly Asian about what he says, or what the others you mention say. The kind of misuse of reason each of them represents is color and country-of-origin blind.
Mark at comment 248 takes this attitude and expands it to a general complaint of an Asian “overclass”. The problem is the “overclass” not the Asian. The comment quite generalizes to a whole class of people and one almost hears “some of my best friends are Asian, but. . .” as the subtext.
The only Cello-playing Asian in the public sphere of whom I’m aware is Yo Yo Ma. He plays it very well. He plays Bach on it, he plays Appalachian music on it, with friends who play the hammered dulcimer. He’s an artist of the first caliber. Has he been making right wing speeches of which I’m unaware? If not, is the cleverness of the poem worth what it says about people like him, or, for that matter spelling-bee winners and other achievers who happen to be Asian but have never uttered a right wing comment in their lives.
I teach, and it has been my joy to have International Students from Asia in my classes. None of them are particularly political, and none of them deserve being stained by guilt by association with the likes of association with Malkin, with whom they share nothing but race.
If this sort of thing came from the right, directed towards the left, I’d be furious. Coming from the left, being directed toward the right, I find it just a little sad. Sorry for the crabby post, but its raining here again, and reading this post first thing in the morning did nothing to brighten my spirits.
Yes again, tommy, especially when it’s governmental stuff. The FBI has been a total comedy of errors for years now, much longer than was ever funny. Why Mueller has survived ranks with why Rummy has. (Except, well, I refer you to my first comment this morning.)
Well stated, Amike, and good morning.
Ditto tommy, Amike.
The conversation and company are delightful, but I need to go hang with the kiddles.
I hope to see y’all soon!
an ancient anti-Jewish canard is how clannish they are, how they always stick up for each other. Like all oppressed minorities, there’s an element of truth there — in a hostile world, defensiveness and group-cohesion makes sense.
I have detected no gross and overt anti-Semitism here … as a moderator, I have been particularly vigilant about it. I have seen the “clannish” charge ignorantly bandied about but it’s been repeatedly shot down with varying degrees of success…
Enjoy, tommy — catcha later.
I find the choice of singling out these two tools by their ethnicity to be most tiresome and beneath the quality that I would expect from FDL ordinarily.
“Jane Hamsher, a Euro-American critic of George Bush” sounds equally, well, immature IMO.
Goor morning to you, *ilson. How’s tricks with the pit-puppies?
Goor morning? How ’bout gooD instead?
all the doggies have been fed — a noisy process — now sated, I am letting sleeping dogs lie …
Bet they make a cute pile, don’t they?
one pitpuppy has the classical movie-dog coloration : black and white and with one eye with a “patch”
Good morning,
Tommy Yum and Amike,
I agree with your concerns completely. I really stay out of all the “Mann Coulter” stuff as well, and as Lotus said, Dover Bitch, *ilson, and I just went a round on this last night. then I went to bed before this post was up.
Sometimes I think the anger about a person’s message creates pressure — even in humor — to attack the person. I do it when I get upset…
And I always end up regretting my behavior.
We have much better ideas and although there is something interesting about what Derrick Bell terms the “codes of racial credibility” (a minority who opposes a minority has more value in majority society than a minority who supports a minoority); it is really not a subject that can be personalized and then mocked. That smacks of some version of some “ism.”
For, as Mel Brooks said, “We mock the things we are to become.”
Awww.
Nothing so insistent as dogs or cats lobbying for full bowls, is there? Do you know whether bunnies and ferrets also holler like you’ve never fed them before in all their whole lives?
Good morning, imm. Good thoughts already pouring out of you and it’s only 8:15! Love that Mel Brooks maxim.
lotus,
I know that five year old boys do….
Well, I won’t mention any names, but at least one 58-year-old broad of my acquaintance . . .
Trex
Sticking my neck out in these parts but this happened once before… Iraq/Afghanistan are still not in East Asia. At some point referring to Yoo and MM. As honkeys joke will turn on you and your point will be lost, it seems it started to. The turning point becomes more pronounced if one is not familiar with East Asia.
As for John Yoo, he is a person whose personal ambition far exceeds his ability. He has made a carreer on being the political hack whose repressive idea was embraced. Not exactly a big thought, “torture people.” Perfect, however, for the Bush administration.
I still don’t get why ANY buncha college graduates — dim though they be — could have decided that torture would work. Do they read NOTHING?
I want to second the opinion expressed by Amike at 267. By all means, we must attack Yoo’s ideas. But to attack him because of his ethnic background, which is what this despicable bit of doggerel does, is racist, wrong, and intellectually lazy. It’s the very sort of thinking we should be fighting against in our wider humane agenda. I am disappointed that so few in this thread have made this point.
Close to EPU time, but I just got here.
The problem with going after John Yoo with an ethnic subtext is that it is fundamentally irrelevant to the issues at hand. The issues are not how Asian immigrants find their place in the American sun, but how John Yoo used “creative” legal thinking to justify torture. The fact that he is both Asian as well as immigrant adds nothing to our store of wisdom as to how we became institutionalized torturers.
More relevant perhaps, John Yoo certainly deserves all the abuse and criticism that is coming his way, but after a while you are flogging a dead horse. Yoo was a middle level lawyer in the DOJ (Assistant Deputy Attorney General). He stumbled into infamy because he was assigned to respond to then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales inquiry about the limits of interrogation methods that the government can use without resorting to torture. Sadly, Yoo came back with the answer the White House wanted to hear — essentially there are no limits.
No, the real arthitects of the torture policy are to be found higher up than Yoo, and we all know who they are: Bush, Cheney, Addington, Gonzalez and I am sure there are others we can throw in there. And guilty by acts of ommission we can also probably throw in the Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Lapdog Press. Why are we not calling attention for example, to Gonzales’ ethnicity?
The problem with scapegoating Yoo is that it give him too much undeserved credit. He did not invent the torture policy, he merely rubber-stamped it.
To some degree I think Trex’s post today deducts from the usual high standard of commentary here. Otherwise I find him an admirable commentator.
I have always stayed away from the illegally gorgeous. Nothing makes my extra 5 pounds turn into 50 than George Clooney or Brad Pitt.
Re Hamdan:
One extremely significant aspect of this decision, which I have not yet heard mentioned, is that it is a perfect case about which to question any future nominees to the Supreme Court or Federal Courts.
Hamdan is the law, and although I have little doubts that future Bush court appointees will lie and equivocate to get through their hearings, the fact remains that they must be forced to publicly acknowledge the legitimacy of Hamdan and the illigitimacy of the Yoo/Bush position on executive power.
I would love to see future Bush nominees questioned aggressively about Yoo’s quote on “creative thinking”. A clever congressperson might even tie this quote together with the concept of Judicial activism. What is the real difference between creative thinking and judicial activism?
Answer: there isn’t any.
Hey *xyz, love the name change, I see you no longer speak the consonant that should not be spoken….
Gotta catch a train, catch y’all later.
Thanks immanentize. FYI – yesterday you used the term “digital” when I think “binary” would have been the proper word…
new thread
TRex — I don’t know if you’ll ever make it back here, but count me in with orangejumpsuit above at 5:30 am.
Being a woman of Asian heritage, this post and thread were really iffy for me. Believe me, I am extremley disturbed by Michelle Malkin’s self-hatred and her hypocrisy (she never discloses to readers that she has dual citizenship; does she speak as an American, or as a Philippine citizen?).
But it is absolutely essential that our discussions of Malkin and Yoo et al do less to focus on their ethnicity and more to focus on the why — their singular utility to this administration.
Overwhelmingly, persons of color in this country have been hurt by this administration; why did these two people (and more) subscribe as adherents, in spite of the numbers of their people who don’t?
Why did the VRWC handpick and nurture Malkin? Why did the administration do the same with Yoo?
For that matter, why did the administration — the people that constitute it as a whole — select Rice and Gonzales?
I do not call Yoo and Malkin victims, by any stretch of the imagination. But they are tools when they work against their own kind as well as the American public, handpicked for particular utility. Is their utility due only to their willingness to be used, their individual blindness, or is it because of their race and ethnicity?
And should we also fall prey to the same thought processes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia
Hi, Rayne! From a comment you made a long time ago, I recall your saying you were from Hawaii. Me too. Aloha!
Regarding ethnicity and people of Asian heritage taking their place in the American sun, I have two grandchildren who are Chinese-Jewish-Hawaiian-Italian-English-Irish, and a grandson who is Chinese-Jewish-Hawaiian-English-Scottish.
Some would call them mongrels, I call them beautiful, and they are.
John Yoo writes memo saying Geneva Conventions are no longer operable and torture is okay, is accepted for professorship at UC Berkeley. Juan Cole writes blog exposing administration misadventures in the Middle East, is denied professorship at Yale.
Damn liberal academia.
I guess I’m just about the only Asian FDL reader…because apparently most everyone is okay with this ridiculous post.
Seriously, TRex, this post is somewhere between pointless and offensive. Your presumably humorous invocation of racial pejoratives offers no insight and contributes no substance to political dialogue. It’s a meaningless cheap shot, like pulling up the corners of your eyes to mimick slitty Asian eyes.
So there are Asian nutcases in America who are as vile as the white nutcases who run the show…and this is somehow surprising or noteworthy for what reason? Is there a cultural or ideological or philosophical connection between these “Asian honkies”, beyond the shallow fact of their race?
I guess the idea is this: why criticize only the content of their character, when you can also criticize the color of their skin?
Peace.
By now I’m feeling pretty creepy about my chirpiness re this post at 250 ^ . I wish my desire to offer an AM picker-upper hadn’t so overridden my uneasiness with some of the things expressed here overnight. To the extent that I didn’t grasp my first opportunity to protest, I apologize.
Ahh, Trex, you are dating yourself.
I haven’t seen anyone talk about qualudes since the 70’s. I don’t think they are even made in Mexico anymore.
You bad boy you.
Yoo bad boy too.
Kai @ 300
Nope, you’re not alone…see me at 267, a couple above, and several after.
I’m not an Asian-American. I’m a Swedish-American, but I can tell you a little about why I’m sensitive to this. I’m an old duffer, born in 1941. I remember very little about World War II, except being put on the lap of the downstairs neighbor and being allowed to toot the horn of the Plymouth when the war ended, and also wondering why everyone was crying listening to the radio a bit earlier (I found out later that Roosevelt’s death had been announced).
Anyhow, a year or two after that (I must have been six or seven) the Terrigawa family moved in next door to my grandmother in southeast Minneapolis. I may not have the spelling right, as I never saw the name written. It was a multigenerational family, with a grandmother about the age of my grandmother (OLD–to a six year old) and a couple of kids about my own age. My grandmother made a point of telling us to be nice to her neighbors, and to go play with them. I don’t think I knew why she made such a big deal of it at the time, but we kids hit it off, and until my grandmother died in 1954 we would see each other occasionally and play the kind of back alley games that kids played in those days. They were the only Asians on the block, and for all I knew at the time, the only Asians within blocks–the universe of little kids is pretty constrained. Anyhow, among the things I was taught by my grandmother was that they were Japanese, not Japs, not Nips.
I did not put two and two together until I was years older. The reason why that family moved to that part of Minneapolis a couple of years after the war was over was that they had been interred during the war, and like many other perfectly loyal Americans of Japanese descent, had their lives disrupted, their communities shattered, and had been experiencing exile in their own country. My grandma, bless her heart, made as sure as she could that we would treat that family as she wished her own family to be treated. The lesson stuck. As I learned more about earlier examples of anti-Asian sentiment in the United States (The Chinese Exclusion Act, for example) I kept remembering our neighbors. Maybe I’m over sensitized, but slurs against Asians make me wince: slurs against any ethnic or racial group do the same.
Mike
newtonusr,
On Ledeen, I found the wikipedia to be a good place to start. Then I simply followed likes from there. In following up on Ledeen’s possible involvement in the Niger forgeries, I think I recall winding up at some of Eriposte’s postings.
Okay, let’s get something straight here kids. I never attack anyone on the basis of what they are. I attack them on the basis of what they do.
Where were all you sensitive types when I put up this post decrying right-wing homosexuals?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ms-closet/
Are the homosexuals among us not worth sticking up for? To me, anyone who sells out their group in order to cozy up to a corrupt power structure deserves whatever they get as far as I’m concerned.
That said, if my post offended you, I am sorry.
TRex:
Not only am I a sensitive type, I’m also a gay man. Had I seen what you typed I would have said something.
When Addington went to the DOJ to get a suck up legal opinion, alot of them did not play but Yoo eagerly did. and the pay off was evidently quite good.
I’m also a gay man
As am I.
The point is that people who cross the line to be tokens for the right wing while displaying openly racist, sexist, or homophobic views do more damage to people’s perception of us than any number of Bill O’Reillys.
Again, I’m sorry if you were offended. That wasn’t my intent.
I was less offended than perturbed, and I thought I ought to say why. I work with the rhetoric of an older period, and can’t escape how I was trained to use language, not that I want to escape it very much. I think it wonderful to Whack the Bill O’Reillys of the world. They deserve every whack they get. So do the Malkins, and the Limbaughs, and the Yoos. I whack them in the way I know how, you whack them in the way you know how. For me to try to mimic the language of someone what, 20, 30, 40 years younger would be pretty stupid and innefectual. So smite the guilty, and smite them hard and often. . . I’ll cheer when I think you’re spot on, and add my two cents when I think you’re a bit off the mark.
But thanks for the apology… it wasn’t necessary, but appreciated. Quite by accident, I ran across this while reorganizing my bookmarks (Firedog is top of the list, followed by TPM Cafe). Thought you might find it interesting, as it does reflect the concern of stereotyping: http://www.inthesetimes.com/si…..icle/2705/
I read more often than I comment, but someplace back in the archives you’ll find some pretty nice things I’ve said about you and your observations. Loved the Gospel Music thing… that was yours, wasn’t it?
Mike
Mike @ 303: Thanks for your comment and your childhood anecdote. I did note your earlier comment (267) with appreciation. Well said.
TRex @ 305: Quite frankly I’m neither sensitive nor a kid, but I get the sense that you’re simply saying these dismissive things because you’re annoyed at being criticized. In any case, all sensitivity aside, I was only trying to point out (without anger or even outrage, mind you) that you failed to offer any cultural or philosophical connection between your so-called “Asian honkies”, which makes your invocation of racial pejoratives rather gratuitous and pointless. If that’s not true, explain why, don’t just call people “sensitive kids” and fold your arms with a harumph.
Peace.
Trex
I guess I’m taken by surprise again because I didn’t expect you would be defensive. The first time you posted was offensive but I often like your flare so I let it rest, it’s your poetry. Just the same I’m not sure you get what people feel offended by and being a gay man is not a pass. Most were not attacking you but letting you know that they are offended.
As a Japanese-American woman (with relatives in Japan), all I can say is it isn’t funny to look at Asian women as virgin/whore pieces of meat. It’s a horrible, disgusting, and may I add racist and sexist outlook that should be condemned. From personal experience it’s extremely tiresome to put up with the bigoted racially fetishistic attentions that come with that sort of worldview. I’m shocked to see this celebrated at a blog that says it is progressive and presumably in support of racial justice and women’s rights.
Oh and by the way, I do think it’s ok to criticize Michelle Malkin on the basis of hypocrisy, that she’s the daughter of immigrants but has gone on a crusade against immigrants. The same way that it’s fair game to point out the hypocrisy of right-wing Christian adulterers who screeched about Clinton and Lewinsky, or antifeminist right wing women who aren’t home having babies and baking cookies. But it’s unacceptable to use a vile nonwhite woman as an excuse to make bigoted comments about an entire race and gender.
(Thanks for your comments Kai, Rayne and Mike.)
Sounds to me like a white suburban kid trying to be cool by using words like honky and n***a.
Maybe just clueless?
With deepest apologies to The Platters (and Buck Ram):
Only Yoo can make this world seem right
Only Yoo can make the darkness bright.
Only Yoo and Yoo alone
can thrill me like Yoo
and fill my heart with love for only Yoo.
Only Yoo can make this change in me,
for it’s true, Yoo are my destiny.
When Yoo hold my hand,
I understand the magic that Yoo do.
Yoo’re my dream come true,
my one and only Yoo.
Only Yoo can make this change in me,
for it’s true, Yoo are my destiny.
When Yoo hold my hand,
I understand the magic that Yoo do.
Yoo’re my dream come true,
my one and only Yoo.
One and only Yoo.
Aieeeeeeee!
Oh, forgot to add:
Don’t Yoo’s views sound like those of a sociopath?
Fascination with/desire for such concepts as “serious bodily injury” and “organ failure” and of course, “death” (Yoo’s idea is that physical torture must include such things; mental torture); psychological torture should be targeted to last only “months or even years.”
Geneva Conventions? Nah, not for us. No turn-on there.
Secret torture locales? Yes! Very hot!
Unlimited presidential powers? Sexxxxxxy!
Yoo’s position at Berkeley may make some think he’s a respectable guy. But surely there are dark forces at work in the mind of a man like this. He shames Berkeley with his presence. What could such a man offer students?
Sociopaths walk among us…
attacking the actions, statements, and opinions of yoo, malkin, pomeresh, et al is fair game.
their asian-ness is fair game in only one aspect-in that they are being used as cover to say things with a pass that would be unacceptable if their overlords said them… i say this esp. in regard to malkin who says such outrageous shit. same as ole clarence thomas. yoo’s writings are despicable, but not in any racial context- his korean heritage is irrelevant. he just has a jones for the overreach of presidential power.
that said, they have a right to say whatever the hell they want (as we have right to bash them for saying it), just as anyone white or of color should and could. they do not represent asian americans, just as bush does not represent all of white america.
there is a huge diversity of opinions within the asian american community… virulent anticommunists in the vietnamese, gun loving republican koreans, etc. etc. there is no monolithic viewpoint, even within one community, much less the overall asian american community.
yoo, malkin, pomeresh, bush, rummy, ashy, cheney, etc. call them assholes- they are, and deserve heaps of abuse, but totally besides the fact of their ethnic background. that’s irrelevant.
Long since EPU’d, I post this for anyone who is playing catch-up. I found the “Asian honky” thing distressing, too, but I tend to cut someone a lot more slack for an isolated unfortunate turn of phrase when I am familiar with their other work. TRex has earned the benefit of the doubt, but that doesn’t mean he’s perfect. So I hope he doesn’t mind when other people who find his language, this time, disturbing or offensive, point that out, as I hope those people (who have a valid critique there) don’t assume that those of us who chose not to call him on it somehow approved of it.
Beyond that, while I absolutely agree that it would be horribly wrong to generalize to all Filipinos from Malkin or all Koreans from Yoo, which I am quite sure is not what TRex intended, I also think it is important to recognize that some immigrants come to America fleeing from tyranny, and some come fleeing democracy. If you want to understand the politics of South Florida Cubans, you have to understand the politics of pre-Castro Cuba. And if you want to understand John Yoo, it may be helpful to understand the impact that the politics of pre-1967 South Korea had on his family. Some kids rebel against their parents, some don’t. Yoo didn’t. Of course, it isn’t necessary to ask why Yoo is Yoo to reject his position, but once the question is asked, his indivualized cultural context is surely relevant, particularly when he himself has acknowledged the part his family’s politics played in his own political development. Or so it seems to me.
kindness –
LOL! I was thinking the same thing! But (judging on the pic), TRex doesn’t look nearly old enough to remember the 70s. And I didn’t even know until about 5 years ago that ‘ludes weren’t even around anymore. (My kids had to tell me. haha)
Shell 318 & kindness 302:
FYI as a proud child of the 80s, I’m happy to report that Mexican ludes were almost as available in the 80s and 90s in Southern California as blow, though weed and doses were even easier to get. This was the period just before the recreational drug market went seriously Big Pharma.
Of course, as a studious cello-playing Asian college student at that time, I never tried any such things. ;-D
Peace. Om. Mellow. (Cheech & Chong anyone?)
To clarify my earlier post, which seems to have gotten several people’s panties in a bunch:
White Americans aren’t the only people with a history of racist culture. Asian racism against other peoples in their region, let alone Africans or Europeans, has a long and inglorious history.
Pointing out that fact doesn’t make me a rascist.
Mark @ 320:
Okay, I get it: a few FDL readers criticized your post, obviously not because of the quality of the comment or the argumentation or evidence you offered therein; it’s just that our “panties are in a bunch”. And I’m guessing that anyone who disagrees with you is a girly-man too.
What’s up anyway with these PMS-prone white males on FDL (I might as well join in since we’re liberally throwing around offensive slurs here) who think the only reason anyone would point out the weakness of their thought and writing is that their critics are either “sensitive” (which is the same loaded tag Cheney stuck on Democratic foreign policy thinkers after 9/11) or have our “panties in a bunch”? I’m starting to wonder if it’s possible for FDL’s white men to discuss their political thoughts with thoughtful readers and critics without immediately turning to the rhetoric of sexual emasculation.
As usual, race still plays a central, uncomfortably-tense, emotionally-charged role in American political discourse.
Peace.