The NYT is reporting that Joe Biden will bring his bleached teeth and hair transplants to Connecticut to campaign for Holy Joe (and that’s the last I want to hear about "outside interference" from Camp Lieberman). He’ll be joined by fellow Alito-lover Ken Salazar, and sadly, Barbara Boxer:
Their goal is to reassure the party faithful of the three-term senator’s loyalty to Democratic causes, including women’s issues, labor and the environment.
"It will be a reminder to voters of the work he’s done on progressive issues," Lieberman spokeswoman Marion Steinfels said Wednesday. "Some of his colleagues wanted to come here and campaign for him on issues that matter to him and them."
If Boxer wants to come to Connecticut and spend some of her political capital on Rape Gurney Joe, she better bring a Brinks truck. Because the last time I encountered Barbara Boxer talking about Lieberman, she was sadly misinformed. It was during Yearly Kos, and she was saying that opposition to Joe was "all about the war" and that on women’s issues, he was great.
The women of Connecticut don’t think so. Before Boxer steps in the deep doo-doo Lieberman has created for himself with women in this state by his stance on Plan B and publicly funded Catholic hospitals, she might want to educate herself on his history. I’ll quote the great Connecticut Bob here:
Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for "principled reasons" shouldn’t be forced to do so.
"In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital," he said.
Well Joe, that’s not very helpful. I mean, I know that you’ll never need emergency contraception at two o’clock in the morning after having been brutally raped. So I guess it’s easy for you to disregard any woman who is unlucky enough to have gone through that trauma.
I actually think this is great, because one of the big reasons I came to Connecticut was to counter the ridiculous notion that opposition to Lieberman was "all about the war." Boxer stumping for Lieberman and saying how wonderful he is on women’s issues in a state where 78% of the population thinks that emergency contraception should be avaliable at Catholic hospitals (including 74% of Catholics) could be the perfect opportunity to telescope attention onto the issue. Although I’d much rather be hammering the folically-challenged Ken Salazar or Joe Biden, you work with what you have. (Lieberman has also supported those creepy anti-choice state license plates.)
I got a chance to meet State Rep. Denise Merrill last night, who took the bold step of trying to restrict funding for hospitals that did not offer emergency contraception to rape victims (it was finally stripped out by Speaker of the House James Amman, who by coincidence pledged his undying love for Rape Gurney Joe today, as well as his support for an indy cut-and-run bid in November). It was a bold move that brought the whole issue to a head, led to the creation of Connecticut Choice Voice (women supporting Ned and speaking out against Lieberman) and eventually resulted in the Connecticut heads of NARAL and Planned Parenthood bucking their national organizations and voting for Ned at the state convention.
It’s sad that an 18 year veteran has to bring in out-of-state ringers to convince the people of Connecticut that he’s worthy of the Democratic nomination (not that he cares anything about their opinion, mind you — if they reject him, his own personal Plan B is "fuck ‘em all").
Well I’m off to start calling the ladies of Connecticut Choice Voice, I’m sure they’ll be there when Boxer shows up to ask a few pointed questions. And that will be me with the camcorder.
(graphic by Dark Black)
Update: Alice Marshall comes up with a new meaning for WATB: "Whining About The Blogosphere." That may have to take a permanent place under the official definition.
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I think Firedoglake should be renamed the All Lieberman All the Time Blog.
Jane we love you….You are awesome……Boxer has been great but her support of RapeGurneyJoe MUST be challenged…..She doesn’t know what the hell she is talking about on this topic, that is for sure.
OH……FITZ!
Joe Biden will bring his bleached teeth and hair transplants to Connecticut to campaign for Holy Joe
what happened to him bringing his baseball cap?
Shame on Babs for this.
“It will be a reminder to voters of the work he’s done on progressive issues,” Lieberman spokeswoman Marion Steinfels said Wednesday.
Should be a real short visit, then.
Joe Biden, consituency of one: MBNA,or whatever they’ve become.
Everybody hop on over to the C-Span debate between Lamont and that other guy.
Better yet, multitask. Somebody else’s turn to liveblog, my fingers are tired :)
I suspect that all three of them will offer lukewarm support at best. Biden usually has his fingers (and toes) to the wind, and he should quickly realize that supporting Jumping Joe today is going to cost him a lot of votes in the 2008 Presidential primaries. Boxer has to know that she’s not going to be able to say “Lieberman” and “pro-woman” in the same sentence and manage to keep a straight face. As for Ken “Who?” Salazar, is his “help” really going to help Joe all that much?
George says
July 5th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
I think Firedoglake should be renamed the All Lieberman All the Time Blog.
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Must…not…feed…troll.
Ok…. I’ve seen the acronym (sp) ‘WATB’ around the blogs in reference to Lieberman. What does it mean???
He’s like all the others – doing everything he can to remain in power….
I thought Boxer got schooled on this at YearlyKos? If so, then she’s disingenous and just off the reservation (or is that “on it” in our current DCCC & DLC metaphor?)
Jane, do you think e-Faxes, emails & letters to Boxer, Biden & Salazar voicing our opposition in their support of Leiberman?
Can site the facts about Leiberman’s failure to support womens issues and the local support of Now & NARAL…
Those of us out here in the left side of America want to help (besides money). What can we do to help the cause?
Blast. The debate is TOMORROW at 7. All day long I’ve been convinced it’s Thursday.
Jane – A commenter at Gilliard’s place suggested you were going Hunter S. Thompson on us! LOL
I can’t wait to see the video with Boxer.
I think Boxer has some kind of crush on Joe. It’s the only explanation I can think of.
Any women out there who can explain his Svengali-esque sex appeal to me?
Eli says
July 5th, 2006 at 4:00 pm
“It will be a reminder to voters of the work he’s done on progressive issues,” Lieberman spokeswoman Marion Steinfels said Wednesday.
Should be a real short visit, then.
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Do you think they’ll even bother to land the plane?
If you took the best of Boxer and the best of Hillary, and tossed the rest, you’d have one helluva fantastic candidate for anything. As it is, both leave a not so good taste…
Ok…. I’ve seen the acronym (sp) ‘WATB’ around the blogs in reference to Lieberman. What does it mean???
Whiney-Ass Titty Baby.
iowa christine says
July 5th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Ok…. I’ve seen the acronym (sp) ‘WATB’ around the blogs in reference to Lieberman. What does it mean???
He’s like all the others – doing everything he can to remain in power….
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Whiny Ass Titty Baby
egregious I think that’s tomorrow, but thanks for being on alert ;)
My Senator (I have disavowed Diane F), Barbara Boxer, sent me an e-mail last week asking for support for Maria Cantwell. Haven’t yet received a missive from her asking for support for Lieberman. Maybe he has called in some chips and she feels she just has to go. You have my permission, Jane, to let Boxer know that this California voter does NOT approve of Joe’s stance on women’s issues. Plus, I will e-mail her.
Do you think they’ll even bother to land the plane?
Ooo, maybe they could fly a skywriter! Really, a sentence or two is probably all they’d be able to manage anyway.
Petro @ 11
Whinny ass titty baby…. WATB… LOVE it!
I suppose the good news out about this is that it will effectively end any chance Joe Biden had of becoming the Democratic nominee for President in 08′. It won’t keep him from fundraising millions of course and I’m sure he’d still trample over a room full of children to get in front of a camera on the other side. But at least I don’t have to worry about true democrats ever really taking him seriously as a candidate anymore.
As for Barbara Boxer… That’s just plain sad. Don’t any of these idiots have staff that are willing to warn them against trying to polish the brass on the titanic? Oh wait, It’s all good!
After all… The band is still playing!
Any women out there who can explain his Svengali-esque sex appeal to me?
BLAH! [Snoopy style] No appeal here, sorry Eli can help you.
Nate:
He had as much chance as I do, anyway.
BLAH! [Snoopy style] No appeal here, sorry Eli can help you.
You don’t swoon at his crinkly, twinkly smile? Or his calm, soothing voice? Or his… umm…
I got nothin’.
Whiny Ass Titty Baby
Typing that is so FUN.
Jane, if I may speak for the Democrats from the Great State of Colorado:
Sen. Salazar, there’s a difference between striking a moderate path, due to one’s lack of seniority and inexperience, and being a benighted, short-sighted fool for the goals of men whose only good to the Democratic Party is through their seniority.
In short: Going along to get along isn’t always the smartest idea. As I and many others will tell you, in the upcoming days.
Biden gives “unctuous” a bad name.
Big disappointment to hear Boxer is going to stump for Joe. She is usually on the right side of an issue. I can see supporting him verbally, since they’re in the sitting senator’s club, but to CAMPAIGN for him? Looks like we Californians need to remind her gently about why we hate Joe.
Great post, as per usual Jane.
I am just going to offer this. Is it possible for us to ask Boxer, Salazaar,and Biden not to support Joe until he ditches “Plan B,” and commits to supporting the winner of the primary?
This gives the three an “out?”
I support Ned, but I will be emailing all three and absent any other suggestions, this will be the gist of what I say.
It’s critical imo to stop these three. If we don’t Schumur may be next followed by more.
Jane:
Liberman is a Rat, an enemy of the constitution, and the fact that one of my congressional representitives is showing up to support this Republican is shameful, and I just got off the phone with her office and told them so. There is something going on here, what I don’t know, but it is not politics as usual, it is something much more sinister…..and if the Democrats can’t put their house in order, we’re all in deep trouble. If Lieberman does not plan to leave the Senate if he is not elected, he should be dragged off the floor by the capitol police. As Trex said last night, we do not have a house of Lords.
Big disappointment to hear Boxer is going to stump for Joe. She is usually on the right side of an issue. I can see supporting him verbally, since they’re in the sitting senator’s club, but to CAMPAIGN for him?
It seems completely out of character. DiFi I could understand.
Egregious, I thought it was Thursday too, and was baffled to find news about the Shuttle (interesting) and something Book TV’ish (not nearly so interesting). I think we’re just anticipating the “The Smiting of Holy Joe” that Ned will administer.
Biden puts the smarm in smarmalade.
Department of Ooopsie: sorry about the debate thing…I just FEEL like it’s Thursday. Our administration runs on feelings, shouldn’t we?
Any women out there who can explain his Svengali-esque sex appeal to me? As a female I can tell you I am mystified.
The only shred I can come up with is that he seems confident. Of course in this case he is confident and WRONG => wanker.
I still canNOT believe that the DSCC and Boxer!–how very disappointing! would support a candidate running AGAINST the winner of the Democratic primary. Ugh a bug.
Eclaire @ 22…
I am in complete agreement with you on this issue. I will be emailing Senator Boxer in order to share with her my profound disappointment with her choice. How can she support a man who feels the way he does about rape victims? A man who may not even share Senator Boxer’s party affiliation a month from now?
It just ain’t right!
Pach- He had as much chance as I do, anyway.
What worries me about that pach is that I’d vote for you! :)
The more time that tanning-booth Biden spends in front of the camera, the more support he siphons from true progressives. I’d rather see him laughed out of possibility publicly and early. I hope this expedites that process. Now I’m off to call Sen. Inouye’s staff and ask a friend to try and knock some sense into Babs’ staffers…
very disappointed to hear that about boxer. people in CA should be calling and emailing her. a lot.
Svengali-esque appeal???? From Lieberman??? You’re joking?? Right?? Now if we were talking about Harrison Ford, or similar, then we’d talk!!
Thanks for the definition!!
I wonder why he feels he has the *right* to retain his seat in the Senate? Just because you’ve held the seat for 3 terms doesn’t mean that you can have it for as long as you’d like. Maybe, he’s got a very nice off-shore account that gets padded every so often from the corporations and Republican Party??
Do we have any pull with any other Dems, who could write Boxer, Salazar, and Biden a public letter asking them to stay out of the CT primary, until HoJo commits to support the winner of the primary?
Does Hillary’s office have any suggestions?
She took the big step on July 4. She has to be royally and justifiably pissed at all three.
Aren’t all of these assclowns just a big club looking out to hold on to power. They see Lamont as an OUTSIDER.
Dear Senator Salazar –
You ran on the platform of defending Colorado’s Land, Water, People — last time I checked, those did not include George Bush’s favorite (watb) Democrat.
Swoon? Oh Eli,
I had friends over yesterday for a barbeque. The most interesting thing was said. Our friend who is registered Independent is now switching over to the Democrats so that he can vote for Ned Lamont in the primary.
Also, his son who is eligible to vote stated he would also be voting for Lamont and against Lieberman for one reason – the war.
“Maybe he has called in some chips and she feels she just has to go.”
That’s it in a nutshell–he’s calling in every chip, I.O.U. and photo with livestock he can. The sniveling, little turd’s feeling the ground shake under his feet and he’s scared as all hell.
Remember, he’s going to tthe mattresses here over a PRIMARY challenge.
The smell you’re catching in the air is that of raw fear, mingled with the briney tang of freshly-shed tears, and the earthy, sodden stink of crapped pants.
Such sweet perfume… :)
Any of these pro war dems need to recuse themselves from speaking anywhere until they admit their ENORMOUS error.
Salazar did not vote as he was not in the Senate. Biden voted yea. Lieberman voted yea. Boxer voted nay. She’s got some ’splainin to do.
I had friends over yesterday for a barbeque. The most interesting thing was said. Our friend who is registered Independent is now switching over to the Democrats so that he can vote for Ned Lamont in the primary.
I’m pretty sure Republicans are the only ones who really like Joe. He’s one of them, after all.
Jane,
Many people called or e-mailed sen. Boxer after her YKOS questions about our concerns with Ho,Jo. She has our answers. Why is she continuing to support this preposterous war on womens health? I cannot wait for your video question! Thank you.
EPU’d (so what else is new) from previous thread:
Shoogarp — Your Animal Planet update, strangely a propos: Now showing, Most Extreme, with an episode entitled “Cheats.” All about animals that use deception for hunting and reproduction strategies. The synopsis doesn’t say whether the program will also cover animals running for office pretending to be Democrats. However, the featured critter is an alligator snapping turtle, noted for luring its prey by the fraudulent color at the end of its tongue, and that sure sounds like someone we know.
Video of the KISS BWAAHHAHAHAHAHA
EPU’d again!
I called Boxer’s Sacramento office. The nice person there said they are keeping track of the opinions on Lieberman.
smarm in smarmalade!!!!! lol punaise!!!
Video of the KISS BWAAHHAHAHAHAHA
Maybe *after* dinner…
FDL Friends,
Spoke with Boxer aid at her LA office about joe the schmo. She said Boxer hasn’t decided what she’ll do when Ned wins the primary. Will Boxer still support joe. I asked isn’t it as simple as the voters choice? She said yes, but there were other concerns. I said for the voters it was a lot like crime, were against it and we have long memories.
Question: Does WATB stand for “what a total baby?”
I called Boxer’s Sacramento office. The nice person there said they are keeping track of the opinions on Lieberman.
That’s nice. Do they plan on actually *acting* on them?
Keep up the good work Jane.
Question: Does WATB stand for “what a total baby?”
Whiny-Ass Titty Baby.
tithonia 54 – thanks, spread it around
OT: CSPAN2 notes that the North Koreans conducted another missile test today. It sure looks like they’re trying to get someone’s attention, doesn’t it?
There’s a news conference on this issue next on CSPAN2.
Hey Linda,
Just read thru the last thread … they have tv’s at the Streets of London Pub … they watch football there (soccer to us ‘Mericans) ;)
The new fragrance by neoconLauder “Lieberman”
Hints of raw fear, mingled with the briney tang of freshly-shed tears, and the earthy, sodden stink of crapped pants.
Available at fine cosmetics counters near you…
I too am very disappointed in Boxer, my former Senator. DiFi, yes, I could see her supporting Joementum, but Boxer?? Urgh. I can’t wait to vote for Ned now that I’m back in CT!!
Jane, Christy, Trex, love all the posts. You guys rock!
Joe:
Have you heard of (former) City of St. Paul Mayor Randy Kelly? Welcome to private industry. I’m sure you’ll be fine. A kiss is just a kiss, eh?
Paul Miller
Northfield, MN
Just got off the phone with Barbara Boxer’s office in San Francisco where it was confirmed to me that she is going to campaign for Leiberman before the primary!
I told the man I was speaking to that I am usually a big supporter of Senator Boxer but that she was making a HUGE mistake to not only go against the women of Connecticut but to disregard the State Democratic Convention votes of CT Planned Parenthood and CT NARAL. I told him that Boxer should make sure she is aware of all of Leiberman’s positions regarding woman’s issues, including his wrong Alito vote, before she gets on a plane to Connecitcut. I also told him she aught to listen to what Ned Lamont has to say on all the important issues this country faces as he is a true Democrat ,and he is definitely going to win the Democratic primary, and she will end up on the losing side.
He said he would pass my concerns on to the Senator…..
The good thing about Lieberman is that he is forcing out all of the rest of his Gopdem sleeper cells out of hiding.
Could you share Boxer’s office phone number? (Apologies if it’s upthread somewhere and I missed it.)
LowerManhattanite@47
The smell you’re catching in the air is that of raw fear, mingled with the briney tang of freshly-shed tears, and the earthy, sodden stink of crapped pants.
Well, that’s one way to put it, I guess. :)
Thanks for the Animal Planet update BarbaraB!
Could you see if Modern Marvels is on the National Geographic channel?
“Next on Modern Marvels a Democrat running as a Democrat AND an Independent AT THE SAME TIME!”
Eli 16 — that’s disgusting.
“Next on Modern Marvels a Democrat running as a Democrat AND an Independent AT THE SAME TIME!”
I think I found a pic.
Eli 16 — that’s disgusting.
*shrug*
It’s what I do. Anyway, how else can you explain one of the most reliably progressive senators (and from the bluest of blue states) going all the way across the country to stump for a Republican?
WATB= Whining about the blogosphere
Terrifying, actually.
Rape Gurney Joe has all the appeal of squashed pit bull.
Barbara doesn’t get too many things wrong – but she does have to put up with DiFi being the senior Senator from my state, so excuse her on this one.
Biden:
DC office: 202-224-5042
Wilmington office: 302-573-6345
Milford office: 302-424-8090
Boxer
DC office: (202) 224-3553
Sacramento office: (916) 448-2787
San Francisco office: (415) 403-0100
Los Angeles office: (213) 894-5000
Fresno office: (559) 497-5109
San Diego office: (619) 239-3884
Inland Empire office: (909) 888-8525
Salazar
DC office: (202) 224-5852
Denver office: (303) 455-7600
Colorado Springs office: (719) 328-1100
Fort Collins office: 970-224-2200
Ft Morgan office: 970-542-9446
Pueblo office: 719 542-7550
Four Corners office: (970) 259-1710
Western Slope office: 970-241-6631
Alamosa office: 719-587-0096
OT: News Conference on NK missiles. Japanese ambassardor to UN calls this “far more serious” than previous acts. SC met this morning about the issue at Japan’s urging. Japan urged that a resolution be drawn up. No details given. Apparently, that’s what the afternoon meeting will be about.
U.K. ambassador wants a “united council” and a “strong response”.
Bolton says that “no member” offered support for NK actions. Asked about how China might react, Bolton says we must “proceed carefully”. Needless to say, I’m fascinated to know what passes for “carefully” in John Bolton’s world.
Bolton says that this display’s Bush’s wisdom in abrogating the ABM treaty. Didn’t say what exactly we’d be doing in regard to defending Japan.
Just reheard Hardballs and Scheuer says on one hand that w. didn’t know about the dissolution of alec, but the tall one hand picked Zarqawi’s successor. Acc to him, nothing happens without the tall one’s direction.
uh, is there a disconnect here?
“Anyway, how else can you explain one of the most reliably progressive senators (and from the bluest of blue states) going all the way across the country to stump for a Republican? “
She’s no longer reliable.
Hi everyone–
daily lurker/occasional commenter here….
Just a quick thanks to Jane for keeping us updated w/all things Lamont v. Lieberman; when I read at Kos that my senator Boxer was stumping for Rape Gurny Joe my jaw hit the floor.
Has Boxer learned nothing since YKos?! sheesh.
Thanks Jane for contacting the CT Women’s groups and being there when Babs blabs.
Go Ned!
Anybody else wondering if Kennyboy is alive in another country?
just call 1-800-426-8073 to be connected to the Capitol Switchboard and ask to be connected to the senator
Asked about how China might react, Bolton says we must “proceed carefully”. Needless to say, I’m fascinated to know what passes for “carefully” in John Bolton’s world.
I think it means you don’t throw staplers at their ambassador.
California Senator’s and Representative’s contact info.
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi…..p;state=ca
She’s no longer reliable.
We’ll see if her voting record changes. We may need to perform a DNA test and/or exorcism.
Eli #73
LOL!
Jane, you gotta use Eli’s pic for a post!
John in Sacramento — thanks! I will be there.
:sheesh: I should have read further before asking the WATB question . . .
Over at shakespeares sister there is a most hysterical pic of bush looking extremely miserable. Caption under it is: President Poopypants.
not that i don’t think bush & co are anything other than incompetent, lying, self concerned, theiving, morons, but- it may be heretical, but i can’t get all worked up about NK and their rather pathetic missles. NK seems to be the one nation everyone can agree to keep contained, the one issue that china and japan can agree on, for christ’s sake.
sure, i’d like to see regime change and peace in the region, but lobbing a couple of rusty hulks into the sea of japan or whatever- not so scary.
OT: (UN news conference on NK missiles, cont.)
Russian ambassador: No “punitive measures” have been proposed, nor does he expect any.
Barbara Boxer in San Francisco: (415) 403-0100
Barbara Boxer in Washington: (202) 224-3553
Alice Marshall 75 — I think you’ve got the new definition there.
ccmask #83:
Is this really you?
http://kenlaylives.blogspot.co…..death.html
If so, it’s the most subtle blogwhore I’ve ever seen!
it may be heretical, but i can’t get all worked up about NK and their rather pathetic missles.
I’m with ya on this. Even if they were fine and effective missiles, Kim is still not crazy enough to launch anything with a return address. They’re porcupine quills: a deterrent, not a threat.
Now, nuclear *warheads* in the hands of a cash-strapped lunatic, that *does* concern me a bit…
Ken Lay was the fifth Beatle. Ken-Ken-kachoo.
Ken Lay was the fifth Beatle. Ken-Ken-kachoo.
Kenny Lay is in my ears and in my eyes…
eli- you mean like in pakistan? oh, wait…they’re on our team. never mind.
Why, in the name of all that’s good and holy, do we have even ASK dorkwads like Schumer and Boxer and Botox Biden if they will support the senate nominee elected by the people of Connecticut? They shouldn’t even have to think about it. When you ask, “hey, will you support the primary winner,” you should be met with an incredulous stare, and an immediate “of course!”
I think the source of their fear is that this strikes at the heart of the whole meta-narrative by which the party apparatus operates–the whole triangulate, find-the-mushy center, don’t-look-liberal, court-the-swing vote strategy.`If that meta-narrative is true, a decentralized, energized progressive base cannot beat an incumbent senator in A PRIMARY.
Just called Boxer’s LA office after getting a busy signal twice at the DC office. Thanks for the numbers!
eli- you mean like in pakistan? oh, wait…they’re on our team. never mind.
I’m not so worried about *Musharraf*, but I don’t know how long he’s going to stay in power…
thanks for the Boxer contact info john from sacramento. i’m in sacramento too. hi neighbor!
I just finished the Crazy Doings thread and I’m dizzy. Interesting links BarbB – thank you.
Re: Rumsfeld getting a subpeona – should be interesting. That is in connection with the young whistleblower (or at least he looked awful young to me) Provenance (sp?) and it could be interesting. The things he said in the hearing I watched on c-span seemed to make it crystal clear that Sanchez would have HAD to know most of what was going on at Abu Ghraib. He mentioned a huge board – BIG – with techniques listed on it, in the room where Sanchez would have had to walk through. I’m trying to remember what he said, to, about the board and the IRC inspections – I can’t remember though. He also talked about the use of children to make parents talk.
The IG brigade there testifying were infuriatingly blase about the punishments meted out on the whisleblowers and also on the conduct that they reported.
So will Rumsfeld comply with the subpoena? Will it be a good faith compliance? Will DOJ decide that he can lie to the committee just like the President could lie to Americans and it is all just fine – exec power stuff.
Truth or No Consequences.
Interesting times.
Eli #102:
It’s the replacement players who worry me. Benazir Bhutto’s very smart and very sane, but I somehow don’t think she’ll be getting the nod.
IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND
Boxer, Salazar, and Biden are all campaigning for someone who will NOT commit to support the winner of the Democratic primary in CT.
Boxer, Salazar,and Biden are essentially supporting Joe AFTER he has declared the Dem primary in CT a complete waste of Democratic resources.
Perhaps we should be calling the CA, DE, and CO Democratic parties to explain exactly how dangerous this is to the National Democratic party. If HoJo can get away with it, why not every other incumbent? If the Democratic primary doesn’t mean anything, the Democratic Party does not exist. Without a binding primary, the “will of registered Democrats” has no impact on the Democratic party.
Eli 71 — What a great poster! All it needs is some Darkblack magic to either have two Lieberman heads (one blue, one red) or one Lieberman and one Bush. As for Boxer, folks, if she didn’t get it before, she will now. Best guess is that she won’t cancel, but she’ll fly in quietly, attend a fundraiser, and fly out. Sort of like Cheney does when a candidate wants the money but doesn’t want to be seen in public with him, only in reverse.
Called Boxer’s LA office as well. I asked the staffer to have Boxer NOT campaign for Joe based on war, republicking, Plan B, etc.
She asked me if I was a constituent from CA, which is no. So I ask: “How does that matter when a Senator from one state is meddling in the primary of another state?” Seems to be an issue of national Dem import when a Senator is trying to undermine a primary election.
{{{boggling my mind}}}
Oh Eli, I wouldn’t worry about Musharef. It’s not like Pakistan has ever had a military coup, or anything…oh, wait..never mind. Well, I’m sure the kind of coup Musharef staged against the elected government in Pakistan could never happen again.
It’s the replacement players who worry me. Benazir Bhutto’s very smart and very sane, but I somehow don’t think she’ll be getting the nod.
I was thinking more along the lines of Mullah Omar, actually…
chicago dyke @ 4:38 pm (#91) – I’m not a rocket scientist, but I am an engineer. Experience tells me that it’s unlikely that these “tests” have anything to do with validating or checking missile designs. Usually, tests like that are done singly and the data are then evaluated over a fairly long period (days surely, more likely weeks). If some problem is discovered, it will usually be corrected before the next test.
In short, you don’t just fire off a bunch of missiles at once if you want to get any value from the tests.
Whatever this is, in all likelihood it’s a political statement by the north Koreans. What that may be I leave up to your imaginations, but we all know there are quite a few possible motivations.
Sheehan says she would rather live under Chavez of Venezuela than Bush. Her heart may be in the right place. But I don’t know if her head is. I hate to give the fascists ammunition like this.
the local paper “the new london day” has a poll question. “If Lieberman loses in the Democratic primary should he run for Senate as an Independent?” i don’t want to freep the poll so i can see how the neighbors think. currently answering no is more than 2-1 (104 yes and 226 no)
Capitola 103
… i’m in sacramento too.
damn global warming. Capitola used to be near Santa Cruz, on the Pacific Ocean. or maybe it was the earthquake.
I have on occasion wondered if the reason why Bush is spying on EVERYTHING and Congress is letting him do it, is because there are nukes floating around there right now.
Of course if that was the case we would be inspecting all of the cargo containers coming into the country. Right?
Eli #110:
Me, too. And whatever happened to A.Q Khan, the glow-in-the-dark salesman extraordinnaire?
punaise, a very Aptos comment!
shows you which of the politicians (ticks, plain and simple, see blood, see suck) are beyond party politics and are simply corrupt and offensive. The demos would rather have joe than someone that beats him in the democratic primary?
we have met the enemy and it is us
al-Scoot: Soquel it what it what you will…
Situation Room just went to break talking about Hillary and Joe when they get back from commercial. Quote: “…sounding more like a presidential candidate and find out why an old ally might be on the losing end of that” with a split screen picture of her and Rape Gurney Joe.
cujo- all of which make me say “yawn” even more over these “tests.” a cry for attention: yes. a reason for me to worry…not so much.
Dear Sen. Boxer,
I have been a supporter of yours since you represented my district in the House. I have generally supported your positions on things but the news that you will be supporting Sen Lieberman in the CT primary is hugely disappointing.
1. Joe Lieberman is a DINO, and has voted for Bush and the Rs when it most counted (cf. the Alito cloture vote).
2. He is opposed by a qualifed and apparently electable candidate in the CT primary, who as a complete unknown, received 33% of the delegates’ vote in the CT Dem Convention.
3. He has stated that if he loses the primary he will run as an independent, thus threatening the electability of the Democratic candidate and putting his interest ahead of the Dem party and the Dem voters of his home state.
Why are you doing this? Why is any incumbent Senator (including Sen Biden) doing this? As a matter of strict principle incumbents from other states should remain neutral in other state primaries – it is unseemly to take sides at all, but to take sides in favor of some one who has so damaged the Democrats is unconscionable.
Please immediately reconsider and do as Sen. Clinton has done, and state that you will support the winner of the CT primary and leave it at that.
Best regards,
At least it’s not a Bonny Doonsday scenario.
Me, too. And whatever happened to A.Q Khan, the glow-in-the-dark salesman extraordinnaire?
Oh yeah, he worries me too. He seems to have a free hand to do whatever the hell he wants.
A health Democratic party is like a plant, it requires sunlight, water and FERTILIZER.
HoJo’s PLAN B is fertilizer. While very smelly, it provides a process whereby the National Democratic Party can become stronger and more reflective of the Founders and the will of the people.
damn, I was gonna use Bonny Doon. can’t do jack with Davenport, Watsonville, or Corralitos.
KHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I trained at Ft. Odd, so I have an excuse.
Interesting. The news article only quotes a Lieberman staffer…but several commenters here report that Boxer staffers confirm…but no news release from Boxer herself?
Also, dates: as in, WHEN would Boxer come to Ct.? No holidays from now till the Aug. primary. Senators REALLY like to go home on weekends. Perhaps a night flight to Ct? A night-time appearance by Boxer? That almost sounds like an appearance at a campaign fundraiser for Lieberman. A private fundraiser perhaps? She can say she “campaigned” for Joe, but really only spoke to a private audience. Hmmm. Interesting.
Ghostman
al-Scooter: yet you’re no ordinancy guy
Thanks pete for your 4:52 pm.
I once had a crush on Barbara Felton, surely would’ve shared an Olympia with her.
al-S: all punitics is coastal? I’m mapped out.
we “sell” Pakistan $ 3 billion worth of F-16s but they won’t permit us to interview A.Q.Khan? Who is sheltering terrorists here?
Mary at 104 He also talked about the use of children to make parents talk.
That alone is enough for charges of war crimes.
ooh– KO covering w’s authorization to out Wilson and the coultergeist.
Khan stand in no bull
eli @ 73… i’m still laughing at that picture. brilliant find!
Punaise and al-Scooter you guys are killin’ me ;)
Hey Capitola,
Tomorrow we’re meeting at a Drinking Liberally thing/meeting/meetup don’t know the right name (1st time for me) click here you should come too
And if you are denied service at a lunch counter because of your race, in Birmingham, it shouldn’t be more than a short ride to another restaurant.
wilson, 134: I forgot to mention this, but is the USA selling the planes, or the defense contractor selling the planes, but the USA of course must “approve” the deal. I honestly don’t know which it is.
Ghostman
Wow! The Waas story about the Plame leak will be up soon on Olbermann, and McCaffrey’s email-in question last hour was on Lieberman — and the answers he read just now demonstrate pretty conclusively that Boltin’ Joe’s people can’t use a computer. I am a happy woman.
*ilson -134
Why do I feel like our government operates on principles that have NOTHING to do with our country’s values?
Cujo359 at 79:
Bolton says that this display’s Bush’s wisdom in abrogating the ABM treaty. Didn’t say what exactly we’d be doing in regard to defending Japan.
I’m sensing validation for my theory that the whole reason the administration trashed the negotiations when they came into office was so they’d have a credible threat to justify their missile defense boondoggle…
May I ask? Who is A. Q. Kahn?
roxstar 40 — that is a very good point.
Why do I feel like our government operates on principles that have NOTHING to do with our country’s values?
That’s an easy one.
Dear Senator Boxer, It has come to my attention that you are soon going to campaign for Joe Lieberman in Connecticut. I am aghast.
This is the first time that you have done or said something that I do not agree with, but it is a tragic first. Joe Lieberman, George Bush’s favorite Democrat, is a traitor to his party.
He votes wrong on nearly every issue, if judged from the Democratic Party point of view. His position on womens’ rights is wrong. His position on Iraq is wrong…and in opposition to your own.
Something good is happening in Connecticut. The people are making their wishes known by their ever increasing support of Ned Lamont.
Please to not muck up your own record by interferring with the wishes of the grass roots stalwarts in Connecticut.
Fly over…wave…smile…wink…especially wink…and pass on by, but do not lend your credibility to help the man who has just said that he will run as an Independent if he loses in the Democratic Primary.
This is big. Be big…like usual. Please do not step in the deep doo doo in Connecticut.
Loyal Democrat, T Linds, Carmichael, CA.
Mr. Khan is a nucular scientist from Pakistan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan
I think I saw something this morning where Pakistan was reassuring us that OBL had a “cold” trail and was likely not still in N.Pak crossing back and forth into Afghanistan.
Likely not. Although, no one really knows anymore where he might be.
So with that and a mess in NK and huge debacle in Iraq and Somalia a beckoning beacon of insanity that only Feingold seems to be mentioning —- and no more OBL desk at CIA, and CIA a Hayden/Negroponte plaything anyway —- I’m reassured.
It’s like finding out that the mosquitos that bite are the ones you can’t hear buzz.
Jane, I love the graphic of L’il Joe. It reminds me of what my stepdaughter tells the petulent 13-year-olds she teaches when they complain about homework, tests, not having a pencil, etc: “Are you WHINING??? Do we need to call a WHAMBULANCE?
A. Q. Khan is the “Father of the Islamic Bomb”, a Pakistani scientist who was proliferating nuclear weapon technology around the world, including North Korea. The Pakistani government has him in seclusion under house arrest and will not permit him to be interviewed about his nefarious activities.
Of course the F-16s are being sold by “free enterprise” but approved by the US Govt … I bet the financing is courtesy of the taxpayers of the USA. It seems all kinda murky…
It’s like finding out that the mosquitos that bite are the ones you can’t hear buzz.
Bush isn’t interested in swatting them anyway.
Thanks Angie
Hey all,
just got my “Had Enough? Vote Democrat in ‘06″ bumper sticker from ted Kennedy today.
We are clearly breaking through the fog of shit out there.
Eli –
I guess the WTF? is for me is that so many Americans don’t realize what the government, along with the Military Industrial Complex, do in their name. In my name. The further you dig the dirtier your hands get when you start looking.
We are Sparta.
Redshift @ 5:04 pm (#144) – My guess is that this motivation might have been one of several, but one of the minor ones. Their bigotted attitude toward the world outside our borders is probably the main motivation.
and *ilson : )
Jane,
Great post – Great lady
I wonder if Biden and Boxer realize how big this will be for them. God knows they go around DC year after year covering thier ass.
“It’s like finding out that the mosquitos that bite are the ones you can’t hear buzz.”
Well, if that doesn’t sum up these interminable Bush years, I don’t know what could.
Imm – Link?
Via aravosis – “no more kings”
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..eorge.html
I guess the WTF? is for me is that so many Americans don’t realize what the government, along with the Military Industrial Complex, do in their name. In my name. The further you dig the dirtier your hands get when you start looking.
Just look at who owns the media…
Gillard has a good summary of the Joenertia issue. Pretty much nails it.
Can someone tell me when “let’s go destablize the Middle East with a war of aggression and idiocy based on lies and a prosectuion of the war based on contravention of Geneva conventions and victimization of civilian populations and stay that course as the hundreds of billions become trillions”
became a “moderate” position?
Where do you go to get more right? Or wrong for that matter.
WHY is Boxer going? What are his positions she supports and why does she believe in meddling in a primary anyway?
Punaise et al — Hi ho, Cupertino. And to think HoJo was a pal o’ Al, too. Maybe when he loses in November, Joe will take a nice December vacation, like a Santa cruise. (Sorry, guys, but I grew up in Los Gatos. Couldn’t resist.)
Maybe when Joe loses he can go on a cruise with Bolton’s moustache.
Yet another “had enough”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01503.html
WaPo Op by Navarrette on Immigration Bills. House and Senate Republicans are cross – threatening that they will have dueling, public, transparent hearings (horrors!!)on the opposing immigration bills.
So now that the concept of open hearings has now become so beyond the ordinary that it is being relegated to use only as an opportunistic political battering ram, Navarrette says:
Think about that for a second. What does it mean when legislators use transparency and public forums as a weapon against one another? And why is it thought to be such an effective weapon? “Tick me off, and I’ll hold hearings into the bill you passed.” It makes you wonder what they’re hiding and what they’re doing in Washington when we’re not looking. And it makes you shudder.
Had enough? . . .
Go, Jane Go!!
http://www.joe2006.com
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5150440.stm
“Vice President Dick Cheney was visiting a NASCAR race over the weekend, where he lamented the fact he hasn’t driven a car since the day George W. Bush called him – back in the summer of 2000 – and asked him to join the Republican ticket.”
He has been to busy driving the country into a ditch.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00879.html
Barbara B #166:
Well, I’m a pal a’ Alto’s.
Joe is a total ass. He tops his ignorance with each and every passing day. Go ahead, Boxer and Biden. Dig yourself in. Maybe you’ll even scare off the Republicans. Incredible.
And I won’t Stanford any more nonsense from Boxer.
It would appear that Lieberman made the fatal mistake of putting his own (Likud) agenda ahead of the interests of his Connecticut constituents. He wrontly presumed that the people who voted for him would want America to instigate a war against a country that posed no treat to the United States. Now he’s learning that many people in Connecticut do not share his views.
Lieberman’s behavior makes me want to Yale.
Justin Raimundo goes Nuclear on Joe’s ass
Bolton’s moustache is full of inaudible mosquitoes.
So. Biden, Boxer, and Salazar, are gonna do a “daisy chain” with Lieberman, and call themselves “Goatboy’s Kitchen Cabinet”?
Is there room for anchorwoman, Hillary?
Bolton’s moustache is full of inaudible mosquitoes.
Muskitoes, baby.
BarbaraB – LG?…I’ll be darned. me too. of course, those were the pre-Silicon Valley days.
I will confess to not reading each and every comment above due to the fact I’m still at my desk at work and someone is bound to walk by. Can’t be caught spending 20min reading the comments.
So, I don’t know if a rallying call went out or not, but I’m a constituent (sp) of Boxer’s and just called her office. I told the staffer basically that I don’t like Boxer, my Senator, supporting someone like Joe that wants to deny rape victim’s EC. I emphatically stated my primary concern with Liberman has not to do with the war, it has to do with his stance on EC for rape victims in particular and his dismissive attitude towards them.
The staffer thanked me for the call.
OT….anyone hear Lawrence O’Donnell’s final morphing into the consumate Bush shill? His analysis of the Murray Waas article on Olbermann gets the laugh out loud award of the year. He spinned it as an authorized leak from the administration to Murray, in prparation of a Libby pardon. He claims it puts Libby in a positive light just obeying the prez. As he claims Libby didn’t know Plame was covert…..I guess Miss Piggy Rover must have pictures of all those orgies ol’Larry used to go to.
just sent B. Boxer an email (I’m in CA)… wrote from a “will of the voters” angle… thought a little variety in our arguments seemed right…
nuts! just nuts!!! Barbara! what are you doing??
Someone needs to tell these turncoat cowards that if they don’t find their courage and their outrage somewhere, AND SOON, the progressives, with their honor and anger intact, will tear this goddamn party apart, and settle for the consolation of keeping the republicans in office, so there won’t be a fucking micron of doubt about who is responsible for what they’ve created.
Caught it Franco! blech.
Lieberman’s support by prominent incumbant Democrats isn’t a surprise. I think it highlights something that seemed to get a bit cloudy at yearlyKos. The blogosphere is not part of the Democratic Party. Something about the Democratic Party’s traditional way of functioning has gotten us in the mess we’re in right now. I think what Jane and lots of other people are saying to the Democrats in Connecticut is a powerful message. It’s as much of a reform movement in the Democratic Party as it is an opposition movement to the Republicans.
Ned Lamont’s a good guy, but what he represents is even bigger. What’s going on in Washington right now is not going to get it anymore. Kudu’s to Jane and everyone else who is working so hard in Connecticut to carry the message!
Angie#188….the last time he was on, he had alot of info, that obviously came from Rover, and was beginning his positive spin about the whole ordeal….I never liked him, now I know why…what a putz!
I said it in the last thread: I seriously wouldn’t have an issue with any Dem. supporting one of their brethren/(cistern?) in an honest/open primary election capaign. Power of the incumbency, mutual backscratching, whatever. But the way Joe has twisted this all bets are off.
Franco #190:
What this says is that the story has to be kept alive and we need to learn as much as we can about the facts of the case. Lawyers here will argue about the sanctity of due process, and that’s fine, but this history belongs to all of us. Libby’s ultimate fate is less important to me than the survival of humanity.
Mary at 165 Can someone tell me when “let’s go destablize the Middle East with a war of aggression and idiocy based on lies and a prosecution of the war based on contravention of Geneva conventions and victimization of civilian populations and stay that course as the hundreds of billions become trillions” became a “moderate” position?
Bold–egr. War crimes anyone?
You omitted US-oriented propaganda [totally illegal–but do they care?] and the rise of 20,000 taxpayer-funded MERCENARIES as an important part of U.S. foreign policy. Or should I say Halliburton/Carlyle policy. The permanent bases aren’t for the military, they’re for the companies interested in oil. Big surprise.
punaise @ 126
can’t do jack with Davenport, Watsonville, or Corralitos.
Try doing Jack with Monterey . . . it goes well with a good, non-oaky Chardonnay, or perhaps a chilled Riesling.
So Boxer is going to sell both the Democratic voters and women of Connecticut down the river??? For what?
This is really perplexing.
I’m just soooo interested in her reasoning here.
Ghostman 141 – did you already get your answer? Lockheed is doing the sale – here’s an older link that gives some perspective on the order and some of the horse trading that was going on –
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..Mar25.html
House panel had to approve the sale also.
Vive le guns, Morte le butter (I don’t do languages *g*)
Addington is the sort of corporate lawyer who can figure out how to fire people at 60 years old and also render their pension null and void …
Addington is the sort of insurance company lawyer who can figure out how to yank health insurance from a kid newly diagnosed with leukemia …
Peterr 194 – right you are (touchee!).
does that make you you the goat-to guy on cheese?
There’s Stiltons of possiblities out there.
Addington is the sort of corporate lawyer who can figure out how to fire people at 60 years old and also render their pension null and void …
Addington is the sort of insurance company lawyer who can figure out how to yank health insurance from a kid newly diagnosed with leukemia …
Ah, but can he get shot in the face and then apologize for it?
Mary, 196: well, actually, wilson pretty much confirmed it. But thanks. Wilson also opined that the details all seem a bit murky. I tend to agree.
Ghostman
Mary – you do English just fine…
Interesting the sort of things that get caught in moderation. They do make sense in retrospect, tho…
I don’t why people are surprised at Barbara Boxer. If ineffectiveness were a crime, she’d be eligible for the death penalty. As everyone at Yearly Kos could tell, she’s completely clueless. Her heart may be in the right place, but the brain is also an important organ.
We’ve GOT to start getting more capable candidates in Blue states.
As to Biden, I’m happy to see him run. I’d never support him, but he’ll be just one more corporate Democrat in the early primaries, increasing the chance that progressive alternatives will emerge.
You’re right egregious. It could just go on and on.
He’ll send others out to violate FISA, corrupt and violate the Constitution, lie to Courts, torture, kidnap and a few other whatnots, and all the while with no direct accountability – and I don’t think any “political price” is direct accountability for those kinds of things.
But I’m going to try to pick up on BarbB’s vibes and forget some of the bad stuff tonight.
Lots of wine.
Eli – I think they keep some of us on a short leash…. :~)
the population of Pakistan is greater than that of Russia but just behind Brazil — its population of 166 million makes it the sixth most populous in the world … are just 35 F16s enough?
Moderation in the pusuit…aw, never mind.
And speaking of victimization of the civilian population, how do we justify supporting Israel when they deliberately destroy the only power plant in Gaza?
Not an accident, they took out all 6 transformers and all 4 access roads. No power = no water supply. Targeting civilian populations is AGAINST GENEVA, in case we still care. Do we?
The world is watching. We need to turn this ship around and FAST.
al-scooter….I agree….I am just upset that Olbermann allowed O’Donnell to spin that article that way…..It was unbelievable…..I know Waas doesn’t do TV but there have to be better peoplke to talk about its implications etc…I wrote Keith and told him, what a load of crap O’Donnells sopinnning was concerning the article.
immanentize — got my Kennedy letter and “Had Enough” sticker too. Along with appeal for $$ for the DSCC. Great time to send one of RevDeb’s made jup checks, which are made out payable to something like, “not one dime until . . . all my $$ will go to progressive candidate …”
Franco, angie — shorter O’Donnel — it was a deliberate leak from WH to Waas to try to paint Bush in most favorable light (just get the info out there), Cheney in slightly ambiguous fog, and portray Libby as just loyal soldier who just got careless or overzealous re Plame. All designed to make post November election pardon more palatable. IMO, it was not that far from some of the comments here couple days ago, but perhaps I missed the subtleties. I thought his take was more along the lines of “why are we getting this leak now” rather than “was this spin being put out true?”
Maybe we’ll get lucky and Joe will bleach himself into oblivion.
I’m not surprised really about the bleached one, after all it seems like him and Joe share hair coloring techniques. Or maybe they do each other’s hair on sleepovers.
I’m very disappointed in Senator Boxer, she should know better.
I’m SO tired of the ‘establishment’ Democrats treating me like an ignorant stooge who can’t read a newspaper or make a decision himself! The gall of them, thinking that they can come tell voters what Joe stands for and how to vote.
Hello? Deeds, not words, people! Any reasonably intelligent voter should be able to tell for him or herself what Losermans’s record is. It’s just plain insulting for Biden et al. to go to Connecticut to tell the voters how to think.
And Barbara needs a serious “womens issues” update before she makes a fool of herself.
Mickey at 5:33, I agree.
BTW, like your site.
IMO, the easiest way to make our case to Boxer, Salazar, and Biden is via HoJo’s attempt to castrate the Democratic Party. If the primaries are not binding the Party is a sham. I hope none of the three ever campaign for HoJo, but if they do it before he commits to supporting the winner of the Dem CT primary, that is exponentially worse.
I think this phrasing gives those three a
face-savinggraceful way to decline HoJo’s invitation, they’re simply supporting the will of registered Democrats as expressed in Democratic primaries, which by the way require a lot of Democratic resources.Jeesh, just like in the US, Mexico seems to err initially on the side of conservatives when it comes to counting votes.
-GSD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5152326.stm
I don’t generally play the “as a pastor” card in my letters/emails to politicians, but in Barbara’s case, I made an exception.
I’ve dealt with too many rape victims to give Joe – and Boxer – any kind of pass on this one.
Geneva schmeneva.
-John Yoo
Salazar to back and Independent Liberman
http://www.rockymountainnews.c…..93,00.html
*ilson – I’ll pick a nit with this:
Addington is the sort of corporate lawyer who can figure out how to fire people at 60 years old and also render their pension null and void …etc.
I agree he has the same mindset. I’ll even agree he would take the same stab – but the guys who do that kind of crappy stuff have to pull it off out in the open and that means they need to know their stuff cold and be that much smarter than the next guy.
Addington only pulled things off bc of secrecy and politicking – not skill. His arguments wither in the light of day and some even withered in the dark light of nothingness in the OVP and WH.
EVEN with the fearmongering and stacked courts – he skill was inadequate to maintain the argument in the light of examination. Just want to reinforce that for the NSA guys whose fearless leader forgot the second half of the Fourth Amendment and all of the sections in the Constitution about Congress making laws and Courts enforcing them – for that matter.
The weasels who joke about the chalk when they either incompetently or contemptuously aid, abet and encourage felonies and suborn falsehoods and cover ups — my English really isn’t really up to the task.
(but thanks for the vote of confidence punaise *g*”
Salazar to back and Independent Liberman
I’m not surprised. Hell, he may need to do the same himself one day.
ALBANY, N.Y. – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a longtime supporter of Sen. Joseph Lieberman, said Tuesday she will not back the Connecticut Democrat’s bid for re-election if he loses their party’s primary.
“I’ve known Joe Lieberman for more than thirty years. I have been pleased to support him in his campaign for re-election, and hope that he is our party’s nominee,” the former first lady said in a statement issued by aides.
“But I want to be clear that I will support the nominee chosen by Connecticut Democrats in their primary,” the New York Democrat added. “I believe in the Democratic Party, and I believe we must honor the decisions made by Democratic primary voters.”
There was no immediate comment from Lieberman
new thread
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/yutz/
new Jane: “Yutz”
punaise @ 198
If pressed, I’m more into the wine myself . . . though I’ve known plenty of cheeseheads in my day.
I hope more people drink the Liberman Lemonade and poison themselves. How’s it taste Ken?
Hi kids, just peeking in for a sec. Biden I can see, he’s tone deaf (esp when listening to himself). I think Barbara can be influenced by the netroots, we just need to continue the outreach. Biden won’t care, he’s never shown any interest in what we think. Might be good to contact Pelosi too, Yes?
Sweet Dreams, have to sleep early tonight, still feelin kind of funky
ps, I knew someone who faked his death to get out of Viet Nam. It’s not easy and particularly when you’re as well-known as this guy with the law involved. Ken Lay just had the big one and died. It does happen.
pps reminder about Fresh Air, with Jane Mayer re: Addington, it’s on in Boston now
http://www.wbur.org/listen/
Mary
Addington is a mushroom – he grows and prospers only in the dark, surrounded by manure.
Do you remember the scene from Fantasia with all the dinosaurs marching into oblivion? Well, it reminds of all these career DINOs heading off to Connecticut to support Holy Joe.
Mary,
Although I doubt the French would say it this way:
Vivent les armes! A bas le beurre!
Hugh – even with no doubt shoddy pronunciation, when I say A bas le beurre it sounds vaguely “improper”. LOL
Peterr 223
If pressed, I’m more into the wine myself .
grape escape. you must be crushed.
(wait, that’s not how I meant it…)
punaise @ 230
Yeah, but give me a couple of years and I’ll mellow out with age.
Mary @ 5:57 pm (#218) – A clearer statement of why government secrecy is something to be avoided would be hard to find:
Whenever people tried to impress me with all the stuff they knew but couldn’t tell me how they knew, I’d always try to find a way of telling them that you don’t know something you can’t prove. It’s easy to assert something, it’s much harder to prove it. That’s why science and the law work the way they do, and it’s why “claim of secret knowledge” is a rhetorical fallacy.
Peterr – I’m gonna put a cork in it :~)
Some days, it’s like a birthday check from Grandma in the mailbox, ya know?
;>)
Joe threatens to split the vote come November perhaps resulting in loosing the seat to the Republicans. The Dems can do little without looking divided and are forced to come to his aide. Where is this mans integrity. When he says there are concerns more important than his party he must mean his own career and ego.
darkblack @234:
Wow! That’s AWESOME!!!
Hey Barabara B – we moved to LG in the mid-60s (I’m LGHS ‘78), when there were still plenty of cherry and prune orchards across the West Valley, The view from the crest of Blossom Hill Road comes to mind. The town of LG sure has changed a lot since then – but it was a great place to grow up.
Hey Punaise — You too are well preserved. I’m LGHS ‘62, and my younger brother graduated in ‘65 or maybe ‘66. I went to Santa Clara for law school. I haven’t been back to LG in a while, though, because my father moved out of state and my brother and sister-in-law live in Oakland. Still, no matter where I live, I’m always “from” California. If you come to the next YKos we’ll have to have a mini-reunion!
BarbaraB – duly noted!
How said Joe Lieberman is. However, I’m not sure that anyone can say that they really knew him before last week. I used to have respect for the senator. However, I believe that public officials must respect the decisions of the public. He has no right to disregard the decision that the Democratic party of Connecticut makes and run as an independent. Lieberman says that he values the people of Connecticut, perhaps Joe Lieberman only values himself?
I wrote an article on some of his opponents policy platforms on my own blog at http://www.Pass-ed.com/blogger.html
Andrew Pass
*ilson:
“Are just 35 F-16’s enough?”
Certainly they are. :o)
That’s a fair trade; the Pakis let bushCo sniff the seat of Bin Laden’s abandoned-three-months-ago bicycle, and junior gives them two squadrons of state-of-the-art fighters, for saber-rattling purposes with India.
What’s not to like with that deal?
(Especially, if you’re Lockheed-Martin.)
In other news, it looks like the Chinese and the Russians won’t be joining bushCo in the calls for sanctions against North Korea, which had the swinish bad taste to ejaculate a few rudimentary rockets into the atmosphere on the same day–Independence Day!–on which bushCo launched NASA’s much prettier and beloved of God, space shuttle.
Russia and China’s reluctance to dogpile on Pyongyang, which doesn’t have a goddamn thing that they want, bodes ill for John “Yosemite-Sam” Bolton, as he threatens the rest of the planet in his effort to gain SOME concession from Iran.
I mean, since the Chinese have just signed a huge energy deal with Teheran, and the Russians are headed that way, too, I don’t think they want us seriously fucking with their new energy partner.
In fact, that’s one of the biggest bushCo charades going on now; the idea that goatboy, with his ‘nads firmly in the jaws of a 6 inch bench vise, is about to go haring off after the Iranian reactors…
I think the Joint Chiefs will have a say in the matter, and, except for the Air Force, who could see a “target rich environment” in Slingshit, Mongolia, neither they nor CentCom really want to find out how the Iraqi Shia will react if they start bombing the Iranian Shia.
Likewise, the republicans up for re-election in the mid-terms aren’t too interested in explaining $6 a gallon gas to the voters, I’m thinkin’…
Reach Barbara Boxer at her PAC For A Change at this email address:
info@pacforachange.com
I asked Senator Boxer not to campaign for her colleague Senator Lieberman.
immanentize says: #155
scarecrow says: #210
Got the letter too and have my sticker already up on my car window…got a couple of comments on it last night at a cookout…I asked him…don’t you see a huge difference in the past five years.., but this kid is a new groom, still in a trance and would never argue with Nanamoe!! :)
Re the request for money, I sent the DSCC quite a note and told them there would be NO money for any of them until they proved to the American public that they only have the Voters
best interest in mind and the will of the Voters. I mentioned the Lieberman situation and said if he goes as an independent, there had better not be one Senator backing him…not the example to give the Voters who want to take back the congress, blah, blah, blah….doubt I will get a reply, but you never know.
Another great line is: When congress is sworn
in, they put their hand on their Bible and swear an oath to uphold the Constitution and to represent the American Voters who elected them.
Most forget that the minute they enter DC…it is time to remind them again!! And Again!! And Again!!
My head hurts. We have an incompetent Dem party. If you can’t buck this shit, what is *left?* I hate the fact that the GOP courts their base to the extreme and the Dems trash their own base every chance they get. WTF?
I’m way behind, was out doing doors today. Anyway, I put this at the end of the last thread before I saw this one:
Has anyone else checked out “the General’s” new pro-Joe ad?
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com…..1341578203
The General makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside, in a purely heterosexual way. (TM)
My email to Senator Boxer:
Dear Senator Boxer,
I read today that you plan to go to Connecticut to campaign for Joe Lieberman. Is this because you agree with him that Americans should not question their Commander and Chief during times of (perpetual) war? Is this because you share his rosy view of our “success” in Iraq and the rightness of our invasion/occupation of that country? Is it because you agree that ultra-right-wing Supreme Court nominees like Sam Alito were not worth a filibuster? Or is it because you agree with Joe about this:
Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for “principled reasons” shouldn’t be forced to do so.
“In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital,” he said.
Yours disgustedly,
A former admirer
Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for “principled reasons” shouldn’t be forced to do so.
“In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital,” he said.
“Refusing to perform hair transplants and teeth bleaching is another issue entirely,” added the senator (R-Likud).
Jane, Your instincts are right on target regarding Compassionate Joe and the importance of the CT primary. Thanks
What the hell is this “brutally raped” thing with you americans? Who is anyone to force a woman to bear a child that she does not want for ANY reason?
J., I agree with Cynic (34). There is something very creepy about Boxer coming to CT. It doesn’t exactly make me shake in my shoes as a CT Ned supporter, but is she lying to herself?
It’s like how Lieberman tried to hide behind Obama at the dinner. It also concerns me that Rosa DeLauro–who’s really taken opposite positions from Joey–is going to bat for him as well. Lieberman is really degrading politics more than I could possibly imagine. The degradation is downright eerie in itself.
Biden is bringing his “caps” not his “bleached teeth”… they’re much more expensive and oh so Hollywood…I generally like Joe B.. Good for the Senate and maybe a roll in a Democratic administration but he should forget his Presidential aspirations.
Gore/Richardson 2008!!
GET BACK JOE & JOE
THE BEATLES lyrics – “Get Back”
(Lennon/McCartney)
[Rosetta..
Sweet Loretta Fart thought she was a cleaner
but she was a frying pan, yeah
Rosetta…
The picker! The picker! Picture the fingers burning!
Oo-wee!
OK?
1,2, 1,2,3,4]
Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner
But he knew it wouldn’t last
Jojo left his home in Tucson, Arizona
For some California grass
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back Jojo
Go home
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back Jo
Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman
But she was another man
All the girls around her say she’s got it coming
But she gets it while she can
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back Loretta
Go home
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back
Woo…
[Thanks, Mo!
I’d like to say “thank you” on behalf of the group
and ourselves and I hope we passed the audition!]
Wow.
Even Barbara Boxer isn’t far left wacky enough to please Moonbat Nation.
So, I guess it’s a good thing the 2000 election didn’t go quite like everyone here wanted it to, or we’d probably have ol’ Rape Gurney Joe as our Vice President!
And what could be worse than that, huh?
Just remember the last alternative Republican to Jojo? As I recall he is serving the 4th year of a 25 year sentence for raping a 10yr old girl, as part of the Republican Family Values ™ plan, they wanted him to keep his Mayoral job while in prison, and force the girl to have and raise the baby.