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		<title>By: liberalrob</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-175395</link>
		<dc:creator>liberalrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wesgpc @ 199, the point is that we (liberals/progressives) shouldn’t descend to the level of Redstate or Free Republic, making stuff up about people we disagree with; and we especially shouldn’t do it when the people we are vilifying happen to take our side.  Vindictiveness and grudge-holding are the hallmarks of the other side, and we should work to keep it that way.  Criticise and punish bad behavior, encourage and reward good behavior.  It seems like common sense.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wesgpc @ 199, the point is that we (liberals/progressives) shouldn’t descend to the level of Redstate or Free Republic, making stuff up about people we disagree with; and we especially shouldn’t do it when the people we are vilifying happen to take our side.  Vindictiveness and grudge-holding are the hallmarks of the other side, and we should work to keep it that way.  Criticise and punish bad behavior, encourage and reward good behavior.  It seems like common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: AirportCat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174902</link>
		<dc:creator>AirportCat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 03:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Way EPU’d, but John Yoo is teaching at Boalt (UC Berkeley Law School)???? How far the mighty have fallen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Ken Lay had a heart attack? Wouldn’t that imply that he had a heart?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way EPU’d, but John Yoo is teaching at Boalt (UC Berkeley Law School)???? How far the mighty have fallen.</p>
<p>And Ken Lay had a heart attack? Wouldn’t that imply that he had a heart?</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174723</link>
		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I understand the concern of liberalrob. But I disagree. I am glad that Joe Klein has started being more genuinely balanced, and hope he keeps it up. If he does keep it up, and cuts the out of control BushCo cheerleading, and continues putting more sensible reasoning that is more related to facts in his columns and appearances, I might even admit he would be OK. But Klein has explicitly and catagorically stated repeatedly that he feels that pretty much the whole liberal, progressive wing, and whole Democratic party is to the left of him. And that he isn’t any of those. I have no problem with that, he thinks what he thinks and that his is right. He can even be a good pundit that way. But how can anyone consider him a liberal or progressive or be able to give a reasonable Democratic view? I don’s see how they can, until he changes his mind, and tells people that he has, and why. So, I am mystified why anyone would complain when some one says that a panel with Joe Klein as the most liberal participant is a panel that lacks a liberal, or a progressive, or a Democrat in the usual sense of that term. The fact that Klein may be doing his commenting job better doesn’t change that at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the concern of liberalrob. But I disagree. I am glad that Joe Klein has started being more genuinely balanced, and hope he keeps it up. If he does keep it up, and cuts the out of control BushCo cheerleading, and continues putting more sensible reasoning that is more related to facts in his columns and appearances, I might even admit he would be OK. But Klein has explicitly and catagorically stated repeatedly that he feels that pretty much the whole liberal, progressive wing, and whole Democratic party is to the left of him. And that he isn’t any of those. I have no problem with that, he thinks what he thinks and that his is right. He can even be a good pundit that way. But how can anyone consider him a liberal or progressive or be able to give a reasonable Democratic view? I don’s see how they can, until he changes his mind, and tells people that he has, and why. So, I am mystified why anyone would complain when some one says that a panel with Joe Klein as the most liberal participant is a panel that lacks a liberal, or a progressive, or a Democrat in the usual sense of that term. The fact that Klein may be doing his commenting job better doesn’t change that at all.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174541</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ppp @41:&lt;br /&gt;
“Pomme Fitz” indeed! LMAO! I’d love to see a darkblack rendering of an Apple Fitz. Or a nice supersized cardboard pocket french fried Fitzes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ppp @41:<br />
“Pomme Fitz” indeed! LMAO! I’d love to see a darkblack rendering of an Apple Fitz. Or a nice supersized cardboard pocket french fried Fitzes.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174530</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;puppethead @ 8:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That has been driving me nuts, too. Raping and killing a “woman” is horrible, but somehow, no matter how you parse it, it sounds less horrible than “girl” or “child.” So, yes, calling her a woman has outraged me. She was a scared and ultimately terrified and tortured CHILD.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our military is so strapped for soldiers that we must retain the mentally-ill out to secure the Iraqi liberation? And so many good, good soldiers, so many noble people in a U.S. uniform misrepresented by monstrosities. All it takes is a few freaks to blow things apart for all of them. (PFC Tucker and PFC Menchaca and their loved ones suffered directly for this.) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I served for 8 years, and was very, very impressed with the quality of the human beings who serve in uniform. Please do not underestimate the idealism and nobility of our troops because of the horror shows we do hear about.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>puppethead @ 8:</p>
<p>That has been driving me nuts, too. Raping and killing a “woman” is horrible, but somehow, no matter how you parse it, it sounds less horrible than “girl” or “child.” So, yes, calling her a woman has outraged me. She was a scared and ultimately terrified and tortured CHILD.  </p>
<p>Our military is so strapped for soldiers that we must retain the mentally-ill out to secure the Iraqi liberation? And so many good, good soldiers, so many noble people in a U.S. uniform misrepresented by monstrosities. All it takes is a few freaks to blow things apart for all of them. (PFC Tucker and PFC Menchaca and their loved ones suffered directly for this.) </p>
<p>I served for 8 years, and was very, very impressed with the quality of the human beings who serve in uniform. Please do not underestimate the idealism and nobility of our troops because of the horror shows we do hear about.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174441</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy at 172. We love you. Hope you feel better. I deal with the arthritis part of it most of the time. I feel for you. It’s no fun…..and besides, it HURTS!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy at 172. We love you. Hope you feel better. I deal with the arthritis part of it most of the time. I feel for you. It’s no fun…..and besides, it HURTS!</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174422</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Never again!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never again!</p>
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		<title>By: ironranger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174348</link>
		<dc:creator>ironranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;About that frog, it looks as if it just got saved in the nick of time from a slow boil.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About that frog, it looks as if it just got saved in the nick of time from a slow boil.</p>
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		<title>By: ardyjay</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174329</link>
		<dc:creator>ardyjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If it was me, and I was about to spend eternity in a jail cell with Bubba, I think I’d take my bazillions and “die” too!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was me, and I was about to spend eternity in a jail cell with Bubba, I think I’d take my bazillions and “die” too!</p>
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		<title>By: ardyjay</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/07/05/crazy-doings/#comment-174328</link>
		<dc:creator>ardyjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;…And then there is THIS aspect:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wednesday, July 5, 2006 &#124; BREAKING: Ken Lay is Not Dead&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ken Lay is not dead. He is already in a foreign country. This is according to a reading of the horary chart associated with his death (4:51 pm CED, Brussels, July 5, 2006). In one of the most carefully planned escapes in shadow government history, Lay disappeared, probably within the past 24 hours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The chart has Scorpio rising, apropos of the discussion. The Moon and Jupiter Rx have just risen and are in the 12th house, about to make a conjunction. This is nothing, if not mysterious — no need to push it too hard.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ruler of the ascendant is Mars, which is in Leo and the 9th house. The ascendant ruler represents the first party to the question — Mr. Lay. He does not appear to be anywhere nearby, as the 9th house represents travel of long distances. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Magnificently, Mars is precisely opposite Neptune — separating to an exactitude of three arc minutes. Neptune adds the factor of a huge fog, deception or unknowable possibility (echoed vividly by those 12th house Scorpio planets). This suggests a kind of crime of the century: that Neptune in Aquarius has proven many times that there is no story too outrageous for people to swallow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding Mars in the 9th, we could propose that the ‘long distance’ of this house was to Kenny Boy’s little place in hog heaven, were it not for another fact: the ruler of the 7th cusp, which is Taurus and thus Venus — representing a partner or, in general, ’someone else’, is found in the 8th house, the house of death. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The syntax of this is not difficult to grasp: someone else is dead. First take is this is the body of the guy who is laying in for Kenny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My second take on this Venus 8th was that his wife would soon be joining him, as Venus is about to square Uranus in Pisces. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obviously, there was an escape house on an island somewhere; such is commonplace enough among the ultra-posh. And with all the resources of the Land of the Free to protect them, freedom is available.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;News prediction: “they,” that is, the MSM, will float a story that proves the validity of the corpse, a kind of, “It really is Ken” story, with DNA or fingerprints — affirming the question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s the news. Now back to you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sent via Planet Waves&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…And then there is THIS aspect:</p>
<p>Wednesday, July 5, 2006 | BREAKING: Ken Lay is Not Dead</p>
<p>Ken Lay is not dead. He is already in a foreign country. This is according to a reading of the horary chart associated with his death (4:51 pm CED, Brussels, July 5, 2006). In one of the most carefully planned escapes in shadow government history, Lay disappeared, probably within the past 24 hours.</p>
<p>The chart has Scorpio rising, apropos of the discussion. The Moon and Jupiter Rx have just risen and are in the 12th house, about to make a conjunction. This is nothing, if not mysterious — no need to push it too hard.</p>
<p>The ruler of the ascendant is Mars, which is in Leo and the 9th house. The ascendant ruler represents the first party to the question — Mr. Lay. He does not appear to be anywhere nearby, as the 9th house represents travel of long distances. </p>
<p>Magnificently, Mars is precisely opposite Neptune — separating to an exactitude of three arc minutes. Neptune adds the factor of a huge fog, deception or unknowable possibility (echoed vividly by those 12th house Scorpio planets). This suggests a kind of crime of the century: that Neptune in Aquarius has proven many times that there is no story too outrageous for people to swallow.</p>
<p>Regarding Mars in the 9th, we could propose that the ‘long distance’ of this house was to Kenny Boy’s little place in hog heaven, were it not for another fact: the ruler of the 7th cusp, which is Taurus and thus Venus — representing a partner or, in general, ’someone else’, is found in the 8th house, the house of death. </p>
<p>The syntax of this is not difficult to grasp: someone else is dead. First take is this is the body of the guy who is laying in for Kenny.</p>
<p>My second take on this Venus 8th was that his wife would soon be joining him, as Venus is about to square Uranus in Pisces. </p>
<p>Obviously, there was an escape house on an island somewhere; such is commonplace enough among the ultra-posh. And with all the resources of the Land of the Free to protect them, freedom is available.</p>
<p>News prediction: “they,” that is, the MSM, will float a story that proves the validity of the corpse, a kind of, “It really is Ken” story, with DNA or fingerprints — affirming the question.</p>
<p>That’s the news. Now back to you.</p>
<p>Sent via Planet Waves<br />
<a href="http://planetwaves.net">http://planetwaves.net</a></p>
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