Nice post, TRex!

Kobe!

Fitz! America!

I have it directly from Joe L.’s Yale roommate that he was always a bit of a putz, coming in after it was all over to take credit for other’s work. He’s a sad, but typically American case. Upward social mobility, and it’s all about me.

Sorry Joe, it’s not about you. It’s about us.

Just wanted to take this moment to say thanks, TRex, for these late nite posts! Too tired after picnic and fireworks to read what all the firepups and lambs and cats and bunnies say tonight, but I’ll catch up in the morning before I head for work.

I went to a barbecue with state Dems also running for office this Nov, and there aren’t enough languages to say SERIOUSLY PISSED in to describe their lack o’ support for Lieberman. They’re all worried he will destroy their chances in the fall. Lots of drama — lifelong Dems launching salvos at each other over potato salad — Lieberman has started a civil war in the state Democratic party, and the winner could very well be the GOP. It’s his right to do so I suppose, but my dogs deserve the backing of the DSCC more than Lieberman does. His actions could seriously jeopardize 3 Congressional seats, and with it Democratic control of the House. I’ll have more on the whole thing tomorrow but they should throw him overboard NOW for his unwillingness to support the party.

TRex you totally rock!

You so often manage to say much of what I feel. Thanks.

Ned!

Good insight by a reader at Talking Poins Memo about Lieberman’s craven move. Joe is taking the most wishy-washy path possible, trying desperately to hang on to power without standing for anything other than incumbency.

It’ll be very interesting to see how the polls shift in Connecticut. And I’m guessing the debate on Thursday is going to go very, very badly for Lieberman.

Jane, That is seriously disturbing! I am wide awake again. Is the DSCC BLIND and stupid?

Oh and the poodles made the evening news parade shots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnIYDbszcX8

Very very nice.

Mr Doctor HAPT just got home from the hospital, someone was trying to die. I turn on the ‘puter and it says, “North Korea Fires Test Missiles”. WTF? Do we know anything yet?

Jane,
It sounds like a sad state of affairs. Whadda jerk.

Come to Joe-sus. Keerap TRex.

“But it’s all about me! It’s my seat! Boo hoo!”

-Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-WH)

Jane, that seriously sucks. Leaverman’s parting shot could very well be a civil war within the Dem Party, which could benefit Bushco Republicans. The more time that goes by without all Dem’s taking a position like HRClinton, the more the repubs can and will use it to their advantage. Looking forward to what you have to say on it tomorrow.

“I am so committed to the voters of my state that I am totally prepared to completely ignore their wishes.” Gee, Joe, that’s really big of you.

I had a friend in high school whose girlfriend broke up with him. He more or less failed to acknowledge this breakup. The resultant behavior was uncomfortable, sad, and a little creepy. Lieberman reminds me of that, whch is disturbing, since he is A GROWN MAN and a goddamned UNITED STATES SENATOR! For the love of all that’s good and holy, Joe, stop acting like a creepy teenager. Just jump over to the Republicans, already. Call Sen. Shelby. He can talk you through it.

Is there anything that could dissuade Joe from his present course? I.e., incredibly bad polling numbers (or getting, say, 25% of the vote in the primary), or Shrumer taking him aside and telling him that the full weight of the DSCC will be dedicated to crushing him if he runs as an independent?

Gnite firepups. Thanks again for letting me post over here Jane & Christy. Scratch Joes eyes out TRex.

Jane, with three House seats in the balance, wouldn’t it be a riot if Emanuel tried to pressure Schumer into cutting Joe loose?

Jane, that seriously sucks. Leaverman’s parting shot could very well be a civil war within the Dem Party, which could benefit Bushco Republicans.

Well, that *is* whose side he’s on, is it not? Other than his own, of course.

Come to Joe-sus. Keerap TRex.

I’m so glad you like that one. I made it myself.

If you’d like to go and make a comment on the DSCC blog about the Leaverman situation, you can do it here:

http://www.fromtheroots.org/

Watching Lieberman work the crowd during the parade is disgusting. He acts like Jay Leno does, getting a visible ego stroke and apparent messianic high from the crowds’ recognition of him. Contrast that with how Ned Lamont behaved, where he seemed just happy to be involved and connect with people.

Watching Lieberman work the crowd during the parade is disgusting. He acts like Jay Leno does, getting a visible ego stroke and apparent messianic high from the crowds’ recognition of him. Contrast that with how Ned Lamont behaved, where he seemed just happy to be involved and connect with people.

Lieberman is in love with being a senator, and in love with being best buddies with the warmongers on the Republicans side. He must be a very insecure man.

neurophius 20 — now that WOULLD be funny. Don’t see it happening, though. The plans are to reward Rahm with Nancy Pelosi’s job if he loses, so no downside to the incumbency protection racket for him.

Eli 21 -

Well, you do have to wonder, don’tcha? Maybe he is a plant, maybe Rover got to him somehow and turned him. Do we put it past that malignant brain? I mean, it’s starting to sound like it could lead to ugly things, sowing confusion and disarray etc. in the enemy’s camp and all, that’s a nice trick to play on your opponent…

So why does he think he’ll have a place on the ballot in the general election if he loses in the primary? That’s just so wrong, it hurts. (I’m assuming he will have a hard time getting on by petition, although it sounds like a lot of GOoPers will sign up, figuring to have the best of both parties: officially blue but actually red.

the comment at 5 is both alarming and a harbinger. we need to force the hand of each and every dem on every issue from iraq to holy joe.

o/t apology: Rummy and NK nukes. Some potent fodder. Recall this from 2003?

“Donald Rumsfeld, the US secretary of defence, was on the board of technology giant ABB when it won a deal to supply North Korea with two nuclear power plants.

Weapons experts say waste material from the two reactors could be used for so-called ‘dirty bombs’.

The Swiss-based ABB on Friday told swissinfo that Rumsfeld was involved with the company in early 2000, when it netted a $200 million contract with Pyongyang…

Rumsfeld - who is one of the Bush administration’s most strident ‘hardliners’ on North Korea - was a member of ABB’s board between 1990 and February 2001, when he left to take up his current post.”

swissinfo news sevice, February 24, 2003

Well, you do have to wonder, don’tcha? Maybe he is a plant, maybe Rover got to him somehow and turned him. Do we put it past that malignant brain? I mean, it’s starting to sound like it could lead to ugly things, sowing confusion and disarray etc. in the enemy’s camp and all, that’s a nice trick to play on your opponent…

Joe is a Republican, period. He calls himself a Democrat so he can get elected in a blue state, but that doesn’t work so well when he has to run against an actual Democrat.

Jane #5

This is very disturbing. I look forward to your post on this.

Here is an aspect of the Joebortion that I have not heard discussed:

Joe says he is not leaving the party–he is still a Democrat. But if he loses the primary, in order to run a successful campaign in the general election as an independent he is going to have to, for all practical purposes, invent a third party in Connecticut, the Lieberman organization. Although he may be able to siphon off some support from Democratic party regulars, he cannot count on the full and wholehearted support of the state or county organizations (or of the labor unions for that matter).

He is going to have to create an organization that does the things the party normally does for a candidate for U.S. Senate. He can claim to be an “independent Democrat” or a “petitioning Democrat” but he won’t have the word “Democrat” next to his name on the ballot.

I would bet a lot of the Democratic phone banks, voter registration and GOTV operations will not carry his water, but will instead concentrate on trying to elect the rest of the Democratic ticket–including Ned Lamont–that Joenertia will be putting in jeopardy. He will be the leader of the Lieberpublican party, working at cross purposes with the Democratic Party. A turncoat, pure and simple.

What is the format of the debate? Is there a panel or moderator who ask questions? Do people in the audience get to ask questions?
‘Cause I got some questions fer the senator…

He is going to have to create an organization that does the things the party normally does for a candidate for U.S. Senate. He can claim to be an “independent Democrat” or a “petitioning Democrat” but he won’t have the word “Democrat” next to his name on the ballot.

Is this the sort of thing the DSCC could provide if they (gag) decide to back him? In other words, could a national Democratic organization pick up the slack (and actively work *against*) a state one? Jeez, what a criminal waste of resources that would be. I think it might actually constitute the official declaration of war by the party establishment against the roots - those same roots that they claim to care so much about on their blog.

I have to follow my OWN constitution!!

Sen. Lieberman

Well, apparently Joe feels that Connecticut is his bitch and he can do what he wants with her. I only hope someone steps in if he utters the phrase: ‘if I can’t have her no one can!!’ Thinking he can hang around and be a Senator, even if his state wants someone else makes me think that there is enough mental instability to keep an eye on him.

Eli:

I don’t believe the DSCC has the boots on the ground to create a campaign organization for Leaverman. Their game is to give him money and tell him which consultants he has to hire. His campaign will have to build its own ground operation. At least that’s my understanding.

…that government of the Lieberman, for the Lieberman, and by the Lieberman, shall not perish from the Earth.

I don’t believe the DSCC has the boots on the ground to create a campaign organization for Leaverman. Their game is to give him money and tell him which consultants he has to hire. His campaign will have to build its own ground operation. At least that’s my understanding.

Ooo, maybe they could tell him to hire Shrum.

Whoa, Jane, what was that about giving Rahm Pelosi’s job if he loses? Who “he”? If Emanuel loses, he won’t be a Congressman, so for which job would he be eligible? Or do you mean the plans are to replace Pelosi with Emanuel if the position continues to be Minority Leader? Or or or…huh???

“a visible ego stroke and apparent messianic high from the crowds’ recognition of him”

That’s what it’s all about…maybe if Olbermann started fawning over him the way Hannity does, he’d come back to our side? But who wants to see Keith sell out that way? not me

Whoa, Jane, what was that about giving Rahm Pelosi’s job if he loses? Who “he”? If Emanuel loses, he won’t be a Congressman, so for which job would he be eligible? Or do you mean the plans are to replace Pelosi with Emanuel if the position continues to be Minority Leader? Or or or%u2026huh???

I think she was talking about rewarding him for being an abject failure at winning seats as DCCC chair. Which wouldn’t shock me in the least.

BarbaraB at 9:39 p.m.

That scenario reminds me of when all the U.S. oil company executives got together in Cheney’s office and divided up the map of Iraq, deciding who would get what territory for oil exploitation before the invasion had even begun. And look where they are now.

Why can’t Lieberman call himself Independent Democrat on the ballot? What prevents him? Does somebody in some clerk’s office in Hartford give him some paperwork to fill out, and he just writes whatever he wants in the box next to party? Does the clerk then tell him, sorry, you can’t put Democrat there–Mr. Lamont is the Democratic nominee.
Would Ned have to sue him at some point? How exactly does the process work?

Jane…
Caught your beautiful poodles!! They are
beauties. Many years ago I had one which was
a mini poodle by the name of Cream Sauce..one great dog…died from a broken heart after my mom died. He slept on her bed every night when she got sick…so sad and he was soooooo loved.

That newscast was very good…and if those people cannot see thru holy joe, heaven help them My mom came from New Haven and I have spent many years in the State and I am sure if
my Mom and her brother were still alive, they would be out beating the votes out of the public….he is a great candidate. I intend to write to my cousins that still live there and get them to support Ned…and btw, I sent a nasty letter to the DSCC and told them they had
better abide by the vote of the primary and support the winner….we all know it will be Ned. :) Will be surprised if the DSCC replies
to my note…if they do, I will let you know.

Why can’t Lieberman call himself Independent Democrat on the ballot?

Would CT voters really be dumb enough to fall for that anyway?

“Looky here! That must be just like a regular Democrat, only better! More independent-y!”

cleter

I haven’t read the Connecticut election statutes, but people who say they have read them say that the laws don’t allow an independent to use the name of a recognized political party as a part of his label on the ballot. It would be good to get some confirmation of that, however.

Well - this was Joe’s approach when he first ran - he consciously played to the conservtive wing of the state *republicans* who were anti-Weicker because Weicker was the Republican who first turned on Nixon and then continued to back progressive policies. (Back then, there still were John Lindsay repubs who would out-progressive almost all of the Dems today). Weicker was loved by Dems and Independents and the moderate wing of the repub party (and his election 2 years later as an independent for Gov. proved that).

Lieberman’s strategy in ‘88 was to suddenly become mr. publicly hyper religious guy with all these hyper morals (censor records, etc) and then he actively, intensively, courted the most conservative right wing of the *Republican* party to form his base.

This gave him the rightist repubs and the party-loyalty-above-all Dems to win the election leaving progressives of both parties and neither out in the cold.

It was a vicious assault on progressivism solely for his own gratification and powergrab.

(can you tell I’m still pissed!)
Weicker still looks great - amazing guy - and DeStefano has sure aged … how’s Malloy?

and btw, I sent a nasty letter to the DSCC and told them they had
better abide by the vote of the primary and support the winner….we all know it will be Ned. :) Will be surprised if the DSCC replies
to my note…if they do, I will let you know.

I think I may need to as well. I would probably emphasize the resources aspect - why pour money into the Lieberman campaign to offset the grassroots money being poured into the Lamont campaign? There’s only so much Democratic contributor money to go around, and it’s foolish to cannibalize it like that. Also, why risk drying up your funding by pissing off potential contributors?

Jane Hamsher at 9:03 pm
I remember when the sleezy sonofabitch (with sincerest apologies to all sonsabithches out there) Jim Church lady Brady offered you a plane ticket to DC for his ambush Ethics Panel. IIRC, when you accepted his “invitation,” he changed his mind and wanted an “online” ambush where he could control what others saw as your responses to his stunning ignorance.That all happened very quickly and as per usual, you handled it with extreme adroitness, it was probably child’s play compared to Hollywood. Brady, however, was the aggressor, and he determined the topography of the battle. If you had rejected his first invitation, the plane ticket, Brady would have shouted that from the rooftops forever.

“Leaverman” changed the entire landscape of the national election with his “Plan B.”
In order to debate any issue, Iraq, gas prices, Republican corruption, we need a forum. That is the two-party system. Joe just pulled the rug out from under it. If the primaries are meaningless, the party is impotent, it’s a sham.
Leavermann just made this a NATIONAL referendum on the Democratic party as an institution. How can the Congresscritters and other State leaders in CT go against an incumbent, Democratic U.S. Senator? They cannot. Democrats in CT desperately need to hear from other national Dems besides Hillary. Damn, though, I give her huge props for her 4th of July announcement that she supports the winner of the primary. That was huge, but we need Dodd, Schumur, and all the others to come out and say the same, “we support the winner of the DEMOCRATIC primary in CT.”

If the DSCC choses to stick with Lieberman, they can easily help him build a gotv effort - and Lieberman already has tons in the bank. It’s not hard to buy phone banks and “volunteers” (as Jane noted yesterday) and Joe is a fave amongst a lot of PACs - plus if he runs independent, he can more openly take money from republicans and portray it as legit support for his policies.

‘Some may say’ incontinent thinking fuels such incautiously dangling displays of hubris as Lieberman is exhibiting.

;>)

But I say ‘Perspicacious’, indeed… For I suspect Lieberman sees quite clearly what is to become of his plate of crumbs filched from the table of Power, and will kick out the jams to call in every wayward favor owed to him in order to stave off his ignominious fate.

cleter 44,

Connecticut law prohibits using any part of a major party’s name for independent run, according to My Left Nutmeg.

Atrios ran a “name Joe’s party” contest, and the winner was the Bullshit Moose Party. That’d be great to see on the ballot, heheh. This is in reference to Teddy Roosevelt’s run as a third party candidate, the Progressive Party. It had the nickname The Bull Moose Party. (Also note back then the Republicans were the good guys, generally.)

Hilary must have realized that her run for the prez is in jeopardy if she keeps pissing us off … a few good gestures to progressives she thinks will win us back. Helps Lamont but the real question is how far she will go with that and what weight she throws around off-stage.

Same for DSCC, etc - an endorsement only means as much as the muscle you put behind it so even if DSCC says they back Lamont, we’ll need to track what money and real support they provide - like flying Obama in for speeches, etc.

Atrios ran a “name Joe’s party” contest, and the winner was the Bullshit Moose Party.

Atrios only skimmed the contest thread, and missed both “The Donner Party” and “The Aristocrats”.

(Neither was mine; I think I just had “The Pooper Party” and “The Gee-Your-War-Smells-Terrific Party”…)

Thanks Neurophius and Puppethead.
So, has this crazy scheme that Lieberman is planning ever actually worked? Has an incumbent senator ever been denied renomination by his own party, and risen from the stench of loserdom to get re-elected anyway?

Hilary must have realized that her run for the prez is in jeopardy if she keeps pissing us off %u2026 a few good gestures to progressives she thinks will win us back. Helps Lamont but the real question is how far she will go with that and what weight she throws around off-stage.

I’m kinda wondering how long she’ll listen to Peter Daou - I suspect everything he tells her goes against all her instincts as a politician.

So, has this crazy scheme that Lieberman is planning ever actually worked? Has an incumbent senator ever been denied renomination by his own party, and risen from the stench of loserdom to get re-elected anyway?

Not a senator, but I’m pretty sure Detroit’s godawful mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick got re-elected this way.

Thanks, Eli, but I’m still confused. I suppose Rahm could have been promised that he’ll keep his position as DCCC chair even if he can’t bring home the bacon in November. His Wikipedia entry says he is considered leading candidate to be the Majority Whip if the Dems take the House back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

But Jane @ 26 says: “The plans are to reward Rahm with Nancy Pelosi’s job if he loses, so no downside to the incumbency protection racket for him.” Pelosi’s job is Minority Leader. Hence, my “huh?”

Eli - one thing I’ve sensed on some of the YKOS press work (countering some floated rumours, etc) was that the established pols still have no idea how to deal with netroots - net consultants or not. Remember Daou is hired to consult on net stuff, not policy - and it would be interesting to know how much input he has for inner circle strategizing.

What I see is the est. pols trying to appeal to us but not understanding that we are not a simple interest group that they can appease with one or two votes but a complex poodle that watches everything they do … and does not forget.

I have no idea what HRCs strategy is - so I’m genuinely not saying the following about her or any other specific candidate. I think there is still a tone of “oh those crazy kids - give them the car keys this weekend but then send them back to their rooms.” Only over time will the est. pols begin to understand we are demanding real change and real commitment to people power and some may learn some very unpleasant lessons as they try to appease while also trying to undercut.

What I see is the est. pols trying to appeal to us but not understanding that we are not a simple interest group that they can appease with one or two votes but a complex poodle that watches everything they do … and does not forget.

I asked the question at the DSCC blog as to whether they were actually paying attention to anything we said, or if the whole thing was just a “potemkin blog” to make them *look* hip and in-touch.

Trex - beautiful as always!

you do have a way with those purty words!

Hey Gang. TRex…yer a mighty beast! I gotta wonder though if this whole staying on in the job even if the electorate says otherwise is just the first salvo of the Right toward their plans of clinging to power under any circumstances, floated out through the airwaves by their mole-zombie Joe. Hope I’m just high from the fireworks…

I gotta wonder though if this whole staying on in the job even if the electorate says otherwise is just the first salvo of the Right toward their plans of clinging to power under any circumstances, floated out through the airwaves by their mole-zombie Joe.

No, I think that would be more likely to be either a declaration of martial law, or a Supreme Court ruling that any electoral victories by Democrats are unconstitutional (they’re only one justice away…).

How about a movement to get Joe to acknowledge reality? Someone could collect petition signatures (more than it would take for him to get on the ballot), that says:

Joe, acknowledge reaity: You are a Republican! Stop pretending to be a Democrat.

Signed

(Your Name Here)

I’d also like to see some form of gentleman’s agreement (not that Joe is one), where he and Ned agree not to campaign against each other for the primary and Joe agrees to run as an Indy right away. Then again, if Joe’s polling is as bad as I think it is for the primary, he might not have anything to lose by doing that now. If Ned mops the floor with him him on Thursday and then again in August, Joe might be better off leaving now.

Then again, I’d be thrilled to have Joe do us all a favor and leave the party now (officially, versus how he’s been doing it for years).

The debate on Thursday gives CT Dems a chance to further subsidize a Democratic incumbent with the imprimatur of the Democratic Party, who just told them he wouldn’t commit to being a Democrat.

I hope someone there is considering postponing the debate. If Leaverman won’t commit to the Primary process, why not give Leaverman a “Plan B,” the Democratic party will just anoint Ned the winner of the Democratic primary, and focus everything on November. I am not saying they should do that, but postponing the debate might give Joe some pause and the other national Democratic leaders as well.

I hope someone there is considering postponing the debate. If Leaverman won’t commit to the Primary process, why not give Leaverman a “Plan B,” the Democratic party will just anoint Ned the winner of the Democratic primary, and focus everything on November. I am not saying they should do that, but postponing the debate might give Joe some pause and the other national Democratic leaders as well.

I don’t think it would be out of line for them to declare that the debate is for Democrats only, and Joe’s not invited. If Lamont is the only Dem running, then there’s no point in having the debate at all.

Eli,

You got me thinking: If the DSCC supported Lieberman after he lost the primary, could regular members of the democratic party sue their leadership of Misappropriation of funds?

As you say, it would be a criminal waste of money. Perhaps it’s a track we should make Schumer and his incumbent protection racket, aware of.

Ron Russell

“If the DSCC supported Lieberman after he lost the primary, could regular members of the democratic party sue their leadership of Misappropriation of funds?”

I doubt that a lawsuit based on that proposition would get very far. I assume that the DSCC’s bylaws, or articles of incorporation, or whatever say that the DSCC can do whatever the hell it wants with our money. That’s why I no longer give to them, having seen the way they operate.

I finally got to read the whole the John King interview on CNN, and I think the national single-issue groups need another round of having their noses rubbed in what their “strategic” support of incumbent Lieberman has gotten them:

My opponent is campaigning against me on one issue: Iraq. I have the support of a host of progressive groups: the labor movement, the environmental movement, the human rights political action fund, which is the advocacy group for gay and lesbian Americans, Planned Parenthood. I could go on and on.

What a vindictive piece of turd. Ex-lax Joe, he’ll turn your movement to diarrhea. Get the hose.

Ron Russell, I love your 10:08.
I would suggest that the statement say that Joe submit to support the winner of the Democratic Primary.

I bet the registered CT Dems could provide 50,000 signatures fast. That’s @7 times more than the 7,500 that Joenertia needs.

Who is sponsoring the debate? Is it the CT Democratic party, or the League of Women Voters, or what?

You got me thinking: If the DSCC supported Lieberman after he lost the primary, could regular members of the democratic party sue their leadership of Misappropriation of funds?

As you say, it would be a criminal waste of money. Perhaps it’s a track we should make Schumer and his incumbent protection racket, aware of.

The law-talking folks who dwell here would probably have a better handle on that than I, but it’d be worth a shot. Personally, I think that simply supporting a non-Democrat against a Democrat should be grounds for immediate dismissal from the DSCC Chair position, but what do I know.

The first sentence on the About the DSCC page: “Our mission is to elect more Democrats to the United States Senate.” This “independent Democrat” BS is designed to make support for Lieberman sound like it’s perfectly in line with their mission statement, but it still isn’t.

Actually the debate should help Ned - if he can do well and I think he can. The audience will be considerably larger due to the Lieberman defection than it would have been, Ned is still less-known so he gets to address that audience and he also gets the intangible benefit of being on the same stage and therefore equally qualified.

We should want the debate - and the primary since momentum from the primary will help Ned and make Joe look even worse.

BarbaraB-

There was a thread a while back- dont remember when- where the gist was basically if the Dems DID NOT take the house, Rahm would be rewarded w/ the Minority Leader position.

Jane was rightfully pissed, as that seems like a mighty big disincentive.

There was a thread a while back- dont remember when- where the gist was basically if the Dems DID NOT take the house, Rahm would be rewarded w/ the Minority Leader position.

Jane was rightfully pissed, as that seems like a mighty big disincentive.

The Democrats are apparently resorting to cargo-cultist attempts to imitate Republican ways in hopes of emulating their electoral successes. I guess they’ve latched on to negative accountability as one of those keys to Republican power.

Not that I’d be sad to see Pelosi go, but Rahm would be even worse. Murtha would be… interesting, assuming he’d even want the job. Very far right for a Dem, but not afraid to kick ass.

Eli at 10:22 p.m.

“I guess they’ve latched on to negative accountability as one of those keys to Republican power.”

Right. Like Bush giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to some of the idiots who screwed up Iraq. “Heckuva job.”

Since Joe needs a party name for his petitions, but by law it can’t incorporate the name “Democrat,” I suggest the “DINO Party.” Yeah, everyone knows it refers to Democrats, but it doesn’t actually contain the word. And it would produce the very accurate ballot line:

Joseph Lieberman - DINO

Hey, guys. I’m here. Just got off the phone with a friend who is being a big drama queen.

siun at 10:19, upon further review, I think you’re absolutely correct.
I think Joenertia is banking on his national name recognition, thanks primarily to being Al Gore’s running mate, simply lulling voters into voting for him. In the real world, Ned probably needs the debate a ton more than Joenertia.

Right. Like Bush giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to some of the idiots who screwed up Iraq. “Heckuva job.”

Next we’ll see Democratic candidates rambling incoherently and smirking.

siun at 10:19, upon further review, I think you’re absolutely correct.
I think Joenertia is banking on his national name recognition, thanks primarily to being Al Gore’s running mate, simply lulling voters into voting for him. In the real world, Ned probably needs the debate a ton more than Joenertia.

Personally, I think all CT Dems need is to be aware that there’s an alternative to Joe and they’ll grab it like a life preserver.

I think that Hillary just fired a shot across more than one bow. Don’t forget, she’s running in a contested primary herself against a sort-of netroots candidate. That was a statement that she supports the Party, and when she gets the nomination, there had better not be any independent candidates out there even thinking about a run. And it was a very major, if subtle, warning to her fellow NY Senator not to monkey with the machinery. It isn’t just the blogs who are mad at Boltin’ Joe. As Jane notes, a lot of the party pros are furious with him. OK, so a lot of them may be hacks by our lights, but they work hard by theirs, and I can just bet they are not pleased with being dissed. If Shumer has been floating trial balloons about maybe supporting an “independent Democrat” after the primary, that sound you just heard was a very loud pop.

I do worry, though, that some of those pros are going to blame Ned for all this instead of focusing their ire where it belongs — on Lieberman. After all, if that young whippersnapper hadn’t come along, etc. etc. etc. I suspect that was the gist of a lot of those shouts over the potato salad.

I think he should drop of the democratic primary right now.

re Jane’s #5:

It’s all on Chris Dodd. Dodd will have to save the Democratic Party in Connecticut, and you can bet that Hillary coordinated her statement today with Chris Dodd.

He’s Connecticut’s senior Senator; he’s gonna have to get the gubernatorial candidates to make nice after the primary, and he’s gonna have to sit Joe-nertia down when Ned beats him and say: “Joe, ya gotta go.”

And WATB Joe will go up to 1600 Pennsylvania to ask Chimpy to fire Dumsfeld or Skeletor.

But it’s gotta be Chris Dodd. C’mon, Chris, you know it’s up to you. Tell Joe NOW to put the filing papers in a drawer. It’s up or down on 8/8, the whole enchilada. No do-overs.

Can’t wait for the next Quinnipiac poll results. I assume it will be issued sometime later this week or early next week. The last Quinnipiac poll was published on June 8th and showed a 15 point spread for Joenertia. A Rasmussen Report poll in mid-June indicated it was down to a 6 points (but that poll had a very small sample size and big MOE of 7%).

Any guesses on what the next Quinnipiac poll will say?

I’m going with a 3 point lead for Joenertia with Nedrenaline closing fast and furious. That might be a tad optimistic but there is so much “buzz” that it is hard not to get excited about Ned’s chances.

Aside from the expense of campaigning to win the primary - and it does cost and Joe can make it cost and will - a big primary win is good for Ned since it says he is not just a flaky guy with netroots backing but someone who can win an election. People do not like to “waste” their vote on someone they are not convinced can win an election.

Joe is prob. planning on spending big on the primary and thus forcing Ned to do the same in an attempt to leave Ned without resources for Nov but Ned can use campaigning for the primary and winning it to build a party structure for Nov so I think it’s a decent trade off.

TRex at 10:25 p.m.

“Just got off the phone with a friend who is being a big drama queen.”

TRex! You mean, you were on the phone with Joe Lieberman? I knew you were getting famous and all, but that’s really something!

For anyone who want to inform the WaPo about our concerns wrt Joenertia,
washingtonpost.com’s Daily Politics Discussion
Charles Babington
Washington Post Congressional Reporter
Wednesday, July 5, 2006; 11:00 EST

I am also going to ask politely when I can look forward to reading their story about mAnn Coulter’s plagiarism.

Any guesses on what the next Quinnipiac poll will say?

Do the polls show results among people who know who Ned is? I would be interested to know how much of Joe’s support comes from people who simply are not aware that there is a viable alternative.

“Just got off the phone with a friend who is being a big drama queen.”

TRex! You mean, you were on the phone with Joe Lieberman? I knew you were getting famous and all, but that’s really something!

I was going to say something like that, but the word “friend” tipped me off.

a big primary win is good for Ned since it says he is not just a flaky guy with netroots backing but someone who can win an election.

Is it possible that a truly resounding defeat could make Joe realize just how unloved and unwanted he is, or would he just ignore the primary results no matter what they are?

Dodd is Lieberman’s best buddy - the only thing that would pull Dodd’s support away from Joe is if Dodd still thinks he can someday be prez.
But Dodd’s integrity on issues - think running around as the “liberal” on Central America while voting to fund the death squads - is not good.

Eli, I’m going with b) Joe continues to ignore reality

TRex! You mean, you were on the phone with Joe Lieberman? I knew you were getting famous and all, but that’s really something!

Naw, girl. It was Jason Zengerle.

http://apoeticjustice.blogspot.....rdfor.html

THRUSTING AMERICA’S LOVE OUTWARD…..

Eli - Joe is a little toughguy or so he thinks - I can’t imagine him backing down from the independent run after announcing it.

If the Q-Poll (not even gonna try to spell that!) is in the field 7/9 or later, I’m going with Ned up 10 points on Joe.

Having seen Ned at that picnic table on teevee yesterday, I have high hopes for his debate performance. And I expect Lieberman to come across as entitled, WATB, and petulant. As long as Ned uses the word “lapdog” in a respectful way, he’ll win the debate. And be up 10 points in the next Q-Poll.

That’s the time for Chris Dodd to talk to Joe.

who was it who wanted to know what blogwhoring was earlier … perfect example at 98

Eli at 10:37 p.m.

“I was going to say something like that, but the word “friend” tipped me off.”

Yeah, but you know, TRex is a big pundit now, and you saw what that did to Joe Klein…

I thought someone said that since the poems are really, really great, that 98 was okay? Not that I’m saying that, since I’ve never clicked over, but I remember it being said….

From the Middletown Press
A recent Quinnipiac University Poll showed Lieberman still leads Lamont among likely Democratic primary voters by 55-40 percent, but that the challenger is gaining ground. The survey also showed Lieberman winning a three-way general election contest with 56 percent of the vote to Lamont’s 18 percent and 8 percent for Schlesinger.
Lieberman’s announcement Monday that he would file to begin a petition campaign for the November ballot was forced largely by the requirement that such signature petitions be filed with the state by Aug. 9.
Lieberman also said the primary could be decided by as few as 105,000 Democratic voters, or just 5 percent of the total number of registered Connecticut voters. He said the decision on his future should be made by “all the people of Connecticut.”
Several high-ranking Democratic leaders Monday refused to criticize Lieberman’s decision, saying only they intend to continue to work to help him win the primary.
“I am working to see that Joe Lieberman wins the Democratic primary on Aug. 8,” said U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-3. “I will not speculate on the results of the primary. I fully expect Joe to win.”
From this, it appears clear that Joe