FITZ!!

Lamont!!!

rootz !

While I agree it’s funny that no one seems to care about Joe Lieberman’s announcement… I think that it’s more negative publicity for him than good publicity. I mean, doing this certainly doesn’t make him look good. It just makes him look desparate. I wouldn’t mind everyone in America seeing this.

All those “Sore Loserman” stickers got me miffed after the ‘00 election, but I’ll be a hypocrite and say we should bring them back!

I’m in quite the celebrating mood. This is our victory: YOUR victory. I wish I could really hang around and share it, but my Internet is all screwed up by lightning storms yesterday. I’m on an unreliable dial up.

Well done!

ROOTZ!

Shouldn’t some party elders be marching over to Joe’s HQ and asking him to bow out for the good of the party? They’re always quick to do that when progressive candidates threaten one of their DCCC darlings (like Hackett or even Tester).

Sounds like time for us all to get on the phone to DSCC, etc and ask when they intend to drop support for Lieberman – no loyalty to incumbents should continue if the incumbent disses the party voters like this.

We need to make it very clear that this is a test of the party’s willingness to represent the voters.

This is now the “Sore Loserman 2006″ campaign. Let’s try to get some of those old signs printed.

Doesn’t this make Joe some sort of scab politician?

Ha! No big surprise here. Joe is so toast and they all know it. This is indeed going to look so desperate and dissloyal to CT democrats. Uh, Joe, you just lost that third you were hoping for by running “independant”. You might want to spend some of your campain money on a clue…

I’m with dharmarific and siun.
Party needs to bounce Joe.
They seem to want him in the corrupt GOP machine. Make him go all the way over.

what this is most assuerdly gonna doi is add fuel to the SCUM/GOPuke frame/meme of “Dem Party in Chaos.”

who was it said: In politics there are no ‘accidents’?

jus’ aksin’

I hope Joe loses, but I’m not thrilled to see lefty bloggers adopting the nasty slogan that so many asshole Bushies were slinging around 6 years ago.

What’s next, are we gonna start calling Al Gore “algore” if he pisses us off?

Joe’s not afraid of lil’ ole us, is he? We’re harmless. :)

Siun at 9 has a great suggestion: contact the DSCC and tell them to back Democrats not former Dems.

Call the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee at 202-224-2447 or email them here.

Joe puts the DUH in InDUHpendent.

kc at 14 — you know, to be honest, I don’t remember that as a slogan from the 2000 election. I heard it in an e-mail a few minutes ago and thought it was particularly apt for this situation. So back off on that chip on your shoulder.

konopelli,

What you say would generally be true, but
the GOP machince as afraid of blog influence which this event is so closely tied to. It might seem more like “real Dems are cleaning house led by the leftist blogphere”.

kc at 14-

Yankee Doodle was originally a British song used to mark the colonial Americans.

Happy 4th of July! (and lighten up a bit)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Doodle

Jane,

Now that you’ve driven Joe over the edge, your next assignment, should you choose to take it……………….

Redd,

Thanks for jumping on Ted Stevens this morning. Impossible to resist, eh?

This may be a week for some big unravelings.

sorry, should be “mock”

So, did Chuck Schumer know this was coming when Mrs.Greenspan grilled him on Timmy’s Playhouse yesterday? I have to wonder about Chuck repeating over and over, “You don’t support your candidate in the primary by speculating about….” [paraphrase]

Was Chuck trying to send Joe a signal that making this announcement would doom his primary chances? And whither that primary support now? I’m off to write to the DSCC to ask about their Lieberman support…..

I’ve seen this before. Note to Joe: Put some jelly in your back pocket, because you are toast. He may have stood a chance before this move. Now he has none. Beware of vote-splitting to favor a dark horse–Republican. Somebody needs to have a serious talk with him. Encourage Joe to spend more time with the family.

Pacha, maybe we can all send you our internets to help you out. I’ll call Ted Stevens’ office to find out how we can do this. It may take a few days, what with the tubes and movies and stuff.

OT, C-SPAN2 will be airing some YKos panels every day this week at 4:00 PM.

As a Florida resident, I would like to second the motion that we not use the phrase “sore loserman,” tempting as it may be. It was a Republican talking point/catch phrase in 2000. The way all the professionally printed sore loserman signs showed up in florida almost immediately after the Nov 2000 debacle was creepy.

Christy,

Don’t let kc get you down. You guys are doing a great job here and this is exactly what is needed to awaken the slumbering Democratic Leaders. Kudos Christy!

Joe must be loyal to crony capitalism. He loves Bush-Cheney and he opposes the rational treatment of expenses from employee stock options. Even McCain is on the correct side re the accounting for stock options. Joe Lieberman is the worst Senator from the Dem side of the aisle now that we got rid of Holy Hell Zell.

I have loyalties that are greater than those to my party.

Well, DUH!!! Weepin’ Joe’s loyalties are to himself — Connecticut, Democrats, and his country are way down the list.

Here’s my love letter to the DSCC:

I have donated many thousands of dollars to your organization over the years along with my husband.

Please ask Liebermann to leave the party. He’s going to anyway, and why waste primary money?

And PLEASE tell me you’re not going to support him if he loses the primary, spending OUR MONEY against the Democratic Party WINNER?

(signed)

Thanks ilson for your 172 @11:01 on previous thread

…did’nt have a $$ for Lamon link right at hand….

please email me …

I don’t remember Loserman being a talking point in 2000 either. Maybe it was bandied around in Florida but it didn’t gain any traction around the country.

It’s not even worth our time discussing, though. He is a sore loserman and if the shoe fits. SORE LOSERMAN.

I just remembered something:

Remember when Joe was running for BOTH his Senate seat AND the VP job in 2000?

If President-Elect Gore had been allowed to claim his victory, Lieberman’s gambit would have allowed Connecticut’s Republican governor, John Rowland, to appoint a Republican to fill Holy Joe’s Senate seat.

Oh, and get this: The Republican who was running against Lieberman in 2000 — and the guy who Rowland would have appointed to fill Holy Joe’s slot had Joe gone on to the Vice-Presidency — was none other than the infamous (at least in Connecticut) child molester, Philip Giordano.

It just occurred to me — “independent Democrat” Lieberman is now literally a Democrat In Name Only!

I just sent some $$ to Ned via the FDL ActBlue page. Also, I called the DSCC (thanks for the number) and left a message (all operators were busy for some reason) that I would not contribute any more to the DSCC if they gave one more dollar to Lieberman.

But I haven’t actually given them anything this go-round because of their support for people like Lieberman, so that might not have been an impressive promise.

My email to DSCC:
Title: Bolting Joe…

Now that Joe has left the Democratic party, I request that the DSCC withdraw support.
It does not seem proper to support ex-Democrats when there are strong, actual Democratic
cadidates who can use your help.

Alex Shishkoff

Really, I’m giddy with joy on this. I remember the moment I saw the idea floated to run a challenger to Lieberman, and I thought instantly, “YES.”

Some argued it was a battle destined to lose, that we would make ourselves look weak. Indeed, at the time, we lacked the strength. But it’s by picking battles like this that we develop our strength and infrastructure.

I’ve always taken a bit of crap from some quarters, especially after Ciro Rodriguez lost, for saying we were building a winning movement, for being optimistic. We have a lot more to do, and we’re just in the early stages, but I’m feeling very good today.

I have loyalties that are greater than those to my party.

Ned is SET for Thursday night!

Hmm. Spelling. One N is it?

Ok use the other one for Ned. Go Ned!

Team Bush created “Sore Loserman” signs in Florida, that looked like the “Gore Lieberman” signs.

While I don’t have a problem with the phrase, it might be wise to heed the warnings of those who are offended.

my 2 cents . . .

The right-wing slogan I remember most clearly from the 2000 campaign is LIE-berman. IIRC, Loserman got some play during the recount fiasco.

Pach!

Those signs were all over Illinois too. And as I said, I see no problem bringing them back, but with better graphic design.

From the CNN archives: Origin of the Sore Loserman signs
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/A……election/

Hi, cleter, from one Floridian to another. Does it strike you as a bit odd how many of the south Florida blue areas are (verbally) supporting Rep. Katy Harris in her bid for the Senate? Related to this, and as a larger question relating to the on-going wargaming, how much of Lieberman’s support is actually strategic from Republicans who are hoping he divides the Dem vote? It’s been alluded to once or twice on this thread, but I thought I’d throw it out again.

Lamont: Democratic Party Winner

Lieberman: Democratic Party Whiner

Someone made a suggestion at Daily Kos and I think Lamont (we) should run with it…frame this as something like:

Senator Lieberman, why do you insist we stay the course in Iraq where our soldiers are dying everyday, yet you are cutting and running from the will of the people of Connecticut?

Here’s my email to the DSCC:

=======================
Hello DSCC –

Just checking in with you on Independence Day weekend to see if the DSCC is still supporting Senator Lieberman in the Democratic primary. I watched Senator Schumer on “Meet the Press” yesterday — it sounds to me like the DSCC isn’t ready to look past the primary.

Well, Joe Lieberman is now hedging his bets, isn’t he? In case Connecticut Democrats nominate Ned Lamont next month, Joe’s got a backup plan. Is this how the Democratic Party allows one of its leaders to treat his own state party? I hope not.

Please state clearly the DSCC position in this changed environment. I recommend neutrality in the primary, and clear support of the primary winner in the fall. Best to say so now, don’t you think?

Democrats across the country await your response.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
===========================

To celebrate Joe’s announcement, I showed Ned a little love.

LindaR at 36 — thanks for the reminder, I meant to put up a link to our ActBlue page to help Ned, but I forgot to add it in the article above:

http://www.actblue.com/page/firedoglake

Appreciate it!

egregious,

When did you donate your husband? Can you get him back now?

I have loyalties that are greater than those to my party.

To Big Pharma and the Connecticut-based insurance and credit card companies.

So, if the CT Dems abort Joe, he’s gonna get off that gurney in search of resurlection?

I think the point to be stressed to the DSSC is that if Lieberman runs as an independent, he creates a situation where the Democratic Party could lose an otherwise very safe Senate seat to a Republican. In political terms this is treason, and he ought to be excommunicated from the Party.

Looks like he does believe in having a schedule for ”cutting and running”….I think he’s in the ”cut and dash” or is that ”dine and dash”?

I just called the DSCC and politely told the man that I couldn’t see supporting them if Chuck Shumer wouldn’t rule out suporting Lieberman.

Push 3 when you call dscc to go to voicemail.

Larry at 32 needing link:

Here ya go — Lamont Campaign

Join the celebration!

money for Mr. Lamont (damn, I love that school TV spot!) http://actblue.com/page/firedoglake

Joe’s unwillingness to trust the will of the voters should be a very big theme in everything we write …

What’s next? Will he just drop out of the race? With Joementum like this, I don’t think you call rule it out.

“Sore Loserman” is uncomfortable for me as well — it was a slam on “Gore-Lieberman.” I was in the protests outside of the VP’s residence during the Florida debacle, and the fact that the other side had professionally printed “Sore Loserman” signs the day the recount began told me a lot about how much they were prepared to fight in contempt of the rules.

Go ahead and use if no one around the country has heard about that, but I won’t be joining in on that one.

Best-feeling donation I’ve ever made, by Ned!

“Independent Democrat” is an oxymoron. He’s either one or the other. If he’s not a Democrat any longer, the Democratic Party at all levels should withhold all support, and should support wholeheartedly the Democratic nominee.

If the Democratic Party establishment wants to have it both ways with Lieberman and back him against a Democrat, it tells me that they really don’t care one bit about what the rank and file thinks.

Ed*ard Teller 53 — LOL

Lamont Blogs

http://nedlamont.com/blog

http://lamontblog.blogspot.com/

Look, PLEASE stop blithely saying that “Joe is toast.” He is NOT toast. Lamont is in the fight of his life — WE ARE IN THE FIGHT OF OUR LIVES here.

Lieberman’s stunt today is perfectly staged to demonize the common sense center of the Democratic party — to portray us as out-of-touch left wing hippies. And given the national media, he’ll probably be successful unless we ALL join in and fight this effort to marginalize mainstream Democrats.

PLEASE stop acting like Joe is likely to lose. He’s likely to win at this point. We still have a VERY steep uphill battle — we need everyone to stay realistic and fight HARDER for victory, not celebrate as if we have already won.

So Joe Lieberwurst has loyalties that are greater than those to his party eh? Certainly true is he is speaking of the Democratic Party. As a de-facto Republican however, he is extraordinarily loyal. If he doesn’t bolt officially to the Republicans, perhaps he will team up with Nader as an independent and make a run for Prez.

To be honest, my favorite is still “Joe-Nertia.” Mwahahaha. That cracks me up every time I read it…still.

Just got off with the DSCC a little snippy troll hung up on me, he wouldn’t give me an answer about what, they are going to do now, I wouldn’t accept the, we don’t know crap!everyone should be on the phone pressuring them now.

Lieberman would not have done this without a pledge of flat affect from Schumer and the DSCC. And the lack of coverage is part of the plan; the last thing Lieberman wants to do is threaten to bolt the party on a day when people are paying attention to the news.

Beware complacency, Nedsters, but by all means go for this!

ck,
I was with Christy. I had never heard of that. After your 11:14, I found this link.
thanks.
OT. Big props to Jane Christy and all the other EARLY ADOPTERS of Ned.
They were 4Ned, before it was “kewl,” and when his name recognition was still in the single digits.
We have lightyears before we reach November, but today is a great milestone victory. Plus, it is reverberating through the party.

By the way all, if you get the all operators are busy message at the DSCC…press 0…someone will then answer! They are trolls there.

TRex at 53 — so true!

Okay. I’ll keep the sore-loserman meme contained to my household. I see your point. :)

ET When did you donate your husband?

Hey, I’ll do anything to help Lamont win! Webb too!

Good day for the good guys.

68 – Maura Liason, is that you?

(just kidding. point well taken)

Hey Joe, where you goin’ with that petition in your hand
Hey Joe, I said where ya goin’ with that petition in your hand

/ C G D A E EE7 E – / :

I’m goin’ down to shoot my old party now
You know she caught me messin’ ’round with another man
I’m goin’ down to shoot my old party
You know she caught me messin’ ’round with another man
Huh, and that ain’t to cool

Hey Joe, I heard you shot your career down
You shot it down down
Hey Joe, I heard you shot your career down
You shot it down to the ground

Yes, I did, I shot it
You know I got caught in messopotamia ’round ’round town
Yes, I did, I shot it
You know I got caught messopotiamian ’round the town
And I gave it the gun, I shot it

Hey Joe, where you gonna run to now
Where you gonna run to
Hey Joe, I said, where you gonna run to now
Where you, where you gonna go

Lieberman has had a lot of support within the party structure and I will not be surprised if we see a number of party leaders claim that Joe the Petitioning Democrat is still a Dem. We need to hold their feet to the fire immediately on this – they are not simply trying to keep their bud in the senate, they are trying to show that they can defeat us.

jurismark says
July 3rd, 2006 at 11:20 am

“Independent Democrat” is an oxymoron.
_____

I could not agree more. His move seaks volumes his Joe-Uber-Alles disloyalty. It is really very disgusting.

Maura -

I don’t get the sense that anyone is getting complacent. If anything, we’re incredibly energized. Not to worry.

FishGuyDave
The whole Kathrine Harris thing strikes me as weird as well. The fact that the GOP is essntially conceding the Florida senate race suggests some fear and weakness on the part of the national party. They need all their resources to hold on to what they have–they can’t afford to try for any pick-ups.

Any video links up yet on ole Joe’s presser?

Sign for a rally:

DEMOCRAT *OR* INDEPENDENT

PICK ONE

I hope we’re ALL more loyal to country than to party, as Joe’s cliche goes. But on how many levels does his current use of the phrase offend?

I mean, on the first level, he’s claiming some kind of courage to be defending this incompented uncaring President and his patently disastrous war.

But beyond that, it’s like, you ASShole, Lieberman, are you trying to say that the timid leaders of your party have been seriously bucking the administration since the war started? In any vibrant, courageous, mattering way?

So the Democratic party, for the most part, bends over backwards to accomodate this criminal of a president, just to have one of its stalwarts join in with the rabid lying Nazi right and accuse it of country-hating and terrorist-enabling?

Joe – you’re either with us or against us

Redshift @ 63 –

That was my gut reaction, too. Remember those jerks in D.C. screaming “Get out of Cheney’s house!”?

But maybe calling “Sore Loserman” now will adhere the negativity to Boltin’ Joe and the connotations and emotions attached to that wretched phrase with go, with him, away.

I don’t know. I’m willing for it to be true.

I’m sorry but I still think he is toast. I’m not implying that Ned and the netroots rest on their laurels since we most certainly will not. But I personally think that Joe is going to piss off and unite most CT dems and split the CT repubs. Simple math. He IS to the weakest link. Goodbye!

Steve Soto:

“Leaverman”

I asked the DSCC if a “petitioning Democrat” gets to put that descriptor next to his name on the ballot.

Maura,

Don’t misunderstand me. This is fuel for the fire and blood in the water all at the same time. The last I saw showed Joe up by 15 points. Joe must’ve seen something else to prompt this move. This will encourage Ned supporters dramatically and cause those on the fence to fall for Ned. This is a tectonic shift in the primary race. Basically Joe is crying Uncle and looking for an entirely different avenue, as he sees the sunset on his horizon. The public has no sympathy for a WATB politician. It is not game over–it is game on.

>

Who, exactly?

To his transcendent sense of self?

To his love-nugget, George Bush?

To corporate sponsors?

siun, I hope Ned asks those Joementum Dems why the Democrats are even bothering to have a primary for Joe’s Senate seat, now that Joe has declared it irrelevant.
Joe’s move really forces those Dems out into the open.

I really can’t think of another candidate I’ve ever seen roll over and present his soft underbelly like this . . . unless it was Lieberman in 2000.

kc at 14 %u2014 you know, to be honest, I don’t remember that as a slogan from the 2000 election

Actually, you’re right, it wasn’t a slogan during the campaign, but it WAS gleefully bandied about by the right during the recount (just Google it). I actually saw it on bumper stickers.

So back off on that chip on your shoulder.

All righty, then.

‘Leaverman’

Leave it to Beaver man
Leave it to Be Vermin

Citizen K #79,

Nice use of Hendrix, but now I have to
go dig out my LP to get it out of my head.

From a very clever guy in Florida with more talent than good sense, maybe we should all chip in to get Lieberman one of these as his new campaign vehicle: http://www.sdsefi.com/features/apr00stool.htm

Question to everyone: How will this affect Lieberman’s endorsements? Esp, the unions?

Oops (93). I was referring to this Joe-Nertia quote in “I have loyalties that are greater than those to my party.”

in 2000 the campaign passed us by in Indiana — they sent 100 Gore/Lieberman signs to State Democratic Headquarters and I snagged one for my front yard. No “Sore Loserman” signs hit here but I followed the recount kerfuffle via the Internets (Salon, etc) and CNN. “Sore Loserman” doesnt hit a nerve with me — I like it for Connecticut !

Great Lieberman graphic up on the current Kos Lieberman thread:

http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..966/29#c29

John Caspar. Was just thinking the same thing.

Wouldn’t this kill the Lieberman turnout?

I mean, who’d going to vote in a meaningless primary. There is still tremendous meaning for NEd, and we will be out in force, but Holy Joe, just said “don’t bother” to his “base”.

Am I wrong?

LindaR at 100 — I would suspect that the unions, if they didn’t have a heads up on this, are going to be pissed. Their support was only given to the end of the primary — and it was only voted in with a LOT of arm twisting and pressure on union members. I’m wondering whether their GOTV efforts will be…erm…less than effective come primary day, after this. If anyone has union connections in CT and has info, you know Jane and I would love to hear it.

Maura’s right; we’re in for the nastiest dose of DLC rad-baiting we’ve ever seen. That’s all Leberkaese has left to run on.

It’s time to hammer every Democrat in Washington to stand with the party, before the DLC can convince them they have wiggle room: Lieberman either submits to the will of Connecticut Democrats or forfeits his right to call himself a Democrat.

OFG @92, you said it true:

“It is not game over — it is game on.”

This is kind of fun.

http://actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/9354

It’s a list of the fundraising pages for Lamont at ActBlue. It seems to update in real time.

Song/poetry contest!

Oh Airportcat that photo is hysterical.

Christy @ 105 — if I were a union member or leader, I would be pissed.

I like “Leaverman.”

Also, “Cut and RUn” Joe seems to be spot on.

DON’T use “Looserman.” THat is just so Karl Rove. Here’s my note to DSCC

To the folks at DSCC:

I am a life-long Democratic and contributor to the party. I hope you will support the winner of the CT Democratic Primary. Shouldn’t the DEMOCRATIC Party support the results of a DEMOCRATIC party primary election??

If Liberman loses the CT DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY and you choose to still support him, I will refrain from any additional donations.

Sincerely,

Gang — Tom Swan will be on Air America any minute. (Ned’s campaign manager…)

Supposedly, Whiney Joe was on the phone all morning trying to explain away his move to supporters which of course included union leaders. After having stuck necks out and twisted arms to get Joe the temporary endorsement, this aint gonna look too good …

Why is he even bothering with all this?He’s got the Malkin/Coulter/Hannity endorsement,so why won’t he just switch parties and be done with it?

LindaR at 88: Yeah, I remember, though at least it was still somewhat good-natured at that point.

The DSCC has a slate of leadership and we should be calling all of them – since their are regional, we can each focus on our own “leader” plus I’ll be calling Blanche Lincoln who is the Women’s Network leader.

Also, the political director of the DSCC is Guy Cecil and if you get the voicemail saying all lines are busy, hit 1 for “know your party’s extension” then hit zero and ask for Guy. I just left him a detailed voicemail since he is the guy (sic) in charge of this on staff.

Here’s the list:

Harry Reid
Nevada Senator/ Senate Democratic Leader

Charles Schumer
New York Senator, DSCC Chair

Barbara Boxer
California Senator/ California Vice Chair

Barack Obama
Illinois Senator/ Midwest Vice Chair

Mark Pryor
Arkansas Senator/ Southern Vice Chair

Jack Reed
Rhode Island Senator/ Northeast Vice Chair

Ron Wyden
Oregon Senator/ Western Vice Chair

Blanche Lincoln
Arkansas Senator/ Women’s Senate Network Chair

I’m pulling the phone numbers now and will post them in a few minutes

The “troll” I spoke with at the DSCC was so nervous he started stammering and then broke into a nervous giggle – and kept apologizing and giggling and apologizing and giggling. Not the contagious kind of laughter, rather the kind I associate with total meltdown. I suggested he call 911 and get some help.

On Raw Story:

Liberal group MoveOn’s director, Eli Pariser, has blasted Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) today for announcing his intention to place his name on the November ballot as an independent in the event that he loses the Democratic primary on August 8th to challenger Ned Lamont.

“This decision reeks of arrogance,” said Pariser in a statement today, “Joe Lieberman is holding himself above the democratic process by which his party chooses its candidates.”

“But,” Pariser added, “clearly he’s reading the writing on the wall.”

[more]

Ned’s momentum is sky high now. This move cements it. He will win the primary. In fact, the only reason Lieberman is “running” in the primary is for optics, to continue to look as if he’s a Democrat whose party has left him rather than the opposite. Matt Stoller wrote about this new development in Lieberman’s messaging here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/7/2/235557/1825

Lieberman is in a political no man’s land where he has to find himself a coalition, a consitituency. While the local AFL-CIO will go through the motions of getting out the vote for him in the primary, we already know the rank and file’s heart is not in it, and now they must be very much more pissed off today. No matter what the union says, they will be sabotaging Lieberman’s campaign.

This is a seismic event and very bad news for Lieberman. That’s why he made the annoucement during the holiday dead zone. But in CT, this is huge. It will confrim in the minds of voters that Joe cannot be trusted, even as he has palyed his integrity as his so called strength for years.

That negative imagery will stick with him in the primary. The GOP wingers will want to seize the chance to propel their own ideologiacal candidate and the oppostion to Lamont will likely be divided. I really think the Joe’s Indy bid will not, in the end, be very strong. Just my opinion. Remember, the Lamont campaign has been extremely well run and Ned is an exceedingly appelaing candidate and personality.

I just dropped DSCC an email. Advised them to support the actual Dem candidate or my yearly stipend to them stops immediately.

“Sore Loserman” doesnt hit a nerve with me

I saw it constantly on a political message board I frequented. As someone noted above it was a play on “Gore-Lieberman.” I don’t mean to come off like the language police here; it just made me cringe a little to see it again.

I see Atrios has used it too so I guess the horse is pretty well out of the barn.

Hey they just mentioned Jane on AAR….ALRIGHT

Anne H — TOO funny!

Sore Loserman was a take on Gore Liebermann. We have to drop the Sore or make it lower case. Gore has no dog in this fight… or does he? I will never forget Lieber…oops Loserman for abandoning the good fight in Florida! Never forgive him nor will I ever forget.

They are tearing RapeGurneyJoe apart on AAR.
hehehehhe

—– Original Message —–
From: Sue
To: NDiNardo@ctdems.org
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 14:33

Subject: Looking for your support
Nancy,

Will you be still be supporting Joe Lieberman in the upcoming election?
Sue

I will post what she says (if she ever does). She lives in my hometown.

kc — honestly, if I had known it was a rethug tactical slogan from 2000, I wouldn’t have used it. It just wasn’t used here — and I don’t remember it from the hours and hours or coverage that I watched during the recount. (Blergh…and didn’t THAT suck.) I think the “sore loser” label is going to stick for him, but I don’t think the nickname is necessarily cemented. And, in all honestly, Curious Jim’s “Joe-Nertia” is still my all-time fave. *g*

Urban Pirate has an excellent point. Lieberman has just told his supporters that it doesn’t matter whether they bother to vote in the primary. He’s also told them that he understands that their support is so unenthusiastic that it cannot survive hot weather. Uh, Joe, what makes you think they’ll show up in November? If the fall elections turn out to be “base” elections, as is widely forecasted, what makes Joe think he’ll get the apathy vote then? Just askin’.

let’s compromise: no massive yardsign campaign with “Sore Loserman” but it’s allowed for guilty giggles and silly snarks?

A scene I would like to see at the Lamont-Lieberman debate: Lamont takes off one of his shoes, walks over and offers it to Lieberman. “Here you go, Joe. Bang this on the podium. You’ve buried yourself.”

look – drop the worries bout the Loserman … not as important as using the momentum of this moment to gain traction

this is not a move made without consultation so the party leaders (at least some of them) are using this to attempt to hit back at netroots …

the critical message is not that Joe is not loyal to “the party” which is an inside the beltway message – it is that he is not willing to let the people decide.

Joe has jumped the snark.

I just called DSCC. All operators were busy. Don’t know if that means anything. Left a message: don’t back Lieberman.

I agree with Cosmo:

“if Lieberman runs as an independent, he creates a situation where the Democratic Party could lose an otherwise very safe Senate seat to a Republican. In political terms this is treason, and he ought to be excommunicated from the Party.”

I am sending this to Chuckles.

Re: the DSCC support. Look, I’m a huge fan of Ned Lamont, I’ve donated to him, and I look forward to Sen. Lamont being sworn in next January. But let’s keep this in mind: There’s a not-insignificant chance that Lieberman will be re-elected as an Independent. And there’s also a not-insignificant chance that, with a little luck, the Dems will actually be in a position to take back the Senate, but only if Lieberman — should he be re-elected — votes with the Dem caucus. So I can certainly understand the DSCC keeping their powder dry on this one, and I think — speaking purely from a pragmatic standpoint — it’s not a bad call. Yes, my heart wants to see Chuck Schumer pour all sorts of money in to Lamont’s campaign. But my head tells me, that may be shooting ourselves in the foot. And things will be close enough in November that we can’t afford that.

siun#132…..I think you are really on to something…I would bet Shumer knew about this!

Hey, Maura – Sue here (Lorenzo’s handler). Someday we have to get together – but your’e right – many Nutmeggers are very complacent or content – especially around the big cities or the gold coast towns.
Thanks for the Lorenzo recommend!

*ilson
That is an acceptable compromise.

neuro…if you call again…press0…someone will pick up!

I disagree with Glenn #136

Why should the DSCC believe that if Liebermann wins as an independent he would caucus with the Dems?

The Dems have to stop always thinking “pragmatically” it is killing us. They need to look like they stand for something.

Tom on now AAR

Lamont’s campaign manager now on the phone on AAR.

Pach,
That’s sorta what I said, only you said it better. I think siun is ahead of both of us however. The voters will dispatch Joe and nominate Ned. We need to focus on the DSCC to refrain from extrodinairy renditions and curveballing rank and file Dems. If the leadership does not line up behind Lamont, it will be a catastrophic rebuke of the voters intent and I fear lots of Dems will stay home in November.

Just a note about “sore loserman”.
I got hit with it from a wingnut I used
to work with immediately after the election was
contested. I always suspected it was fed out
through the noise machine, BUT it might just
tick Rove off to have one of his slogans reused
this way. Still, it might tar Gore, which we don’t
need.

kc,
ck at 11:14 chimed in and I provided a link later on. I think a lot of people on the thread are catching on, “Leavermann.”
As you or someone else mentioned above, people are blanking on “sore” = “Gore.”
We will get it turned around.
Jane and Christy played a HUGE part in getting Ned’s campaign off the ground. IMO that’s the big story today and it’s not like we have too many victories to celebrate. I would just ask your patience with us today as we celebrate what was a totally unexpected and very significant victory. Going forward, however, imo you made an important contribution,which a lot of us did not recognize right away.
If it had not been for ck, I would have totally missed it. I was totally with Christy, I could not recall seeing it and did not understand your comment.

I vote against Sore Loserman.

If by some Karl Rove Miracle, Joe Lieberman could still be the Democratic Nominee. We’ve said (and will continue to say) bad things about him, but he really is a decent guy, who’s voting record is better than the best Republican.

Unfortunately, Joe Lieberman’s time has passed — he is out of touch, out of step, and headed for a fall.

Do the right thing, Joe — withdraw from the race.

Pass the baton to a fighting Democrat — Ned Lamont.

I updated above, but I wanted to be sure everyone saw this:

A little bird tells me that the Lieberman/Lamont debate will be broadcast live on C-Span at 7:00 pm ET. Woot! (And, speaking of C-Span, they are re-broadcasting YKos panels all week this week at 4:00 pm ET every day.)

How about Selfish Loserman?

Whoever,

Don’t press the ties between Lieberman and AIPAC or Lieberman’s support of Israel farther than is accurate. He’s not staying in the “fight of his life” solely or primarily because of his support for Israel. He’s staying in because survival is the only game he knows, just like most sociopathic politicians.

He’s no more supportive of Israel than is Hillary Clinton, for instance. To assert that he is more supportive, I assume, because he is open about his faith strikes me as beneath the dignity this blog holds dear.

ME: Hello, I’m a Democrat. I just saw Joe Lieberman’s press conference. Are the Senate Democrats going to continue to support Lieberman, or are they pledged to support the winner of the Democratic primary?

HIM: I haven’t received a statement yet on what the Senate Democrats are going to do. The office is closed but I encourage you to call back and ask later in the week when they are open.

ME: Have you gotten many calls today about this issue?

HIM: We have gotten a number of calls on a variety of issues. Thanks for calling. (CLICK)

Afternoon. A very surprising news day! Many avenues of attack on Lieberman now exist, and as have been identified herein.

1. I keep asking…why now? I figured he’d wait till the week after the debate. My only guess is Lieberman figures he might as well be “up front” with the voters right now…then he’ll campaign on some sort of “Joe, the up-front guy” theme. That’s all I can figure.

2. I repeat my opinion from several nights ago…Lamont still needs to work those union halls, docks, factory gates. And, it wouldn’t hurt Lamont to privately chat with the AFL-CIO leaders. Just tell them “I’m your friend” and so forth. The leadership may not change their public stance…but they’ll quietly get the word out to the membership.

Ghostman

Glenn @135, I understand the argument, but think it’s the wrong one. There is a time to lay it on the line, win or lose, and I think this is it. To me, that kind of “what if” thinking is one of the things that has kept the Dems as the minority party for so long: they don’t stand up for their core beliefs. And I also think siun is dead-on: the DSCC knew about this, it’s a pushback against the netroots. Time to show them we’re real! Game ON!

#152

Was that the Senate office you called- or the Dems? If someone from a Democratic office talked to you like that I would be so pissed.

I have e-mailed DSCC. It occurs to me it would also be useful for FDL to post the phone numbers and e-mail addresses for Howard Dean at DNC and Harry Reid at the Minority Leader’s office. Let our Democratic Party leaders know we don’t want them backing a candidate who is taking concrete steps to bolt the party and run against the Democratic nominee.

The DSCC should be much more afraid of us (all the roots all over the country) than of the consequences of seeing Lieberman win after they hypothetically back Lamont.

The risk of Leiberman actually winning as an indy is not as great as the risk of the revolution they will bring about in 50 states if they don’t get right on this, and I mean, fast.

But Chuck is incredibly stupid when his pride is at stake. Backing Suozzo over Spitzer was suicidally stupid.

Sam Sieder is really rocking!

DSCC leadership phone numbers – call Reid and Schumer and then your regional leader and Lincoln as the women’s leader:

Harry Reid 202-224-3542
Nevada Senator/ Senate Democratic Leader

Charles Schumer 202-224-6542
New York Senator, DSCC Chair

Barbara Boxer 202-224-3553
California Senator/ California Vice Chair

Barack Obama 202-224-2854
Illinois Senator/ Midwest Vice Chair

Mark Pryor 202-224-2353
Arkansas Senator/ Southern Vice Chair

Jack Reed 202-224-4642
Rhode Island Senator/ Northeast Vice Chair

Ron Wyden 202-224-5244
Oregon Senator/ Western Vice Chair

Blanche Lincoln 202-224-4843
Arkansas Senator/ Women’s Senate Network Chair

Anne Holliday at 117 The “troll” I spoke with at the DSCC…

Guys, let’s not demonize the office staff. We oppose their organization, even their management, but not the hourly wage people answering the phone.

The senator, pausing occasionally to vomit into a bucket, told reporters he would continue to run for the senate seat even if he lost the primary. A Lieberman supporter, fellow senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), was visibly shaken when Lieberman missed the bucket and accidentally vomited on the New York senator. Staffers attributed the vomiting and profuse sweating to poor internal polling numbers.

Buck Chuck- that is a good one!

I have a feeling Chuck is using some language right now behind doors that he couldn’t use on the air.

I wonder if Joe gave him a heads up? It wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t…..

The DSCC are a bunch of self absorbed, self important, trolls. About 8 of my friends have called in the last hour and they have been rude and too casual in their responses. All of us have given lots of money in the past, but Nada, no mas, zilch.

Joe’s announcement today serves several purposes.

First, it’s buried in the snooze-y holiday weekend news cycle.

Second, Joe thinks it takes a big debate question away from Ned: “Will you pledge to support the nominee of the party?” Somehow, Joe thinks that the answer (”No”) will resonate with Connectict Dems.

Third, and this is best for Ned: the debate can be about ISSUES (plural) rather than process. Joe declared his “loyalty” to the process today, so Ned can use the debate to broaden his appeal to Dems (who else will be watching, anyway?) by talking about ISSUES other than the war.

There is very little about today’s announcement that is BAD for Ned, in my view.

egregious, I always agree with you, but on this one I don’t. The people answering the phones are “prepped” with what to say…they represent the voice of the DSCC…they are TROLLS!

Up Chuck

#160

I don’t think it is “demonizing” office staff to expect that we are treated courtiously when we call. I sure that they talk to some real dicks- but still they need to be nice when people call.

I am not just saying this because of “good manners”. If people call and are treated rudely they will feel alienated from the party and it will affect whether they vote Dem or not.

I bet Republicans who call Republican offices get their butts kissed. Just a guess.

Trader Joe’s sells Charles Shaw “wine” for $1.99/bottle. Everyone calls it Two-Buck Chuck.

Franco at 161 — maybe your friends have gotten a few rude people, but I happen to know several very nice, committed Democrats who work for the DSCC, so let’s take it on a person by person basis, okay? Plus, getting slammed with phone calls on what looked like it would be a slow day where you might get to go home early from your minimum wage job — I’ve so been there, and it sucks. Let’s all try to have some empathy and put the pressure where it ought to be — on the people who make the decisions and set the tone for the whole organization.

Would it be too laughable to suggest Hardball might be innaresting tonight?

Yeah, that was dumb.

this was the letter I just emailed the DSCC:

To Whom it May Concern:

I am a life-long registered Democrat (who spent a year working for then Representative Schumer), and a resident of Los Angeles. I am writing to find out if the DSCC will provide any support or funding to Senator Lieberman’s campaign, now that he has publicly explained that he “has loyalties greater than those to [his] party” and will run as an independent in the election if he loses the primary.

I sincerely hope and expect that the DSCC does not provide one dime of support to this campaign — surely, the DSCC should be concerned with promotion of DEMOCRATS.

Prior to this announcement, Lieberman’s stands on issues such as the war, and his willingness to cozy up to the current White House administration, have alienated many Democrat voters such as myself. However, I would never have suggested the party withdraw funding from him — because for the past 18 years, he has clearly had the support of the party members of his state. Until today, I would not have thought he was capable of abandoning his party in such a disgusting and self-centered manner — not only overruling the will of his constituents, but also endangering prospects for both himself and Lamont in November.

Now that he has, however, determined that the will of the registered Democrat voters of his state should not actually determine or limit his personal political prospects, I expect the Democratic party to stand up and support the prerogatives of the Democratic party voters of Connecticut. Failure to do so will project a systematic disregard for the voices of the people that actually form the party you claim to represent and are supposed to be supporting in the upcoming election. Again, I certainly do not agree with all Democrats all the time, but what Joe Lieberman has done today goes far, far beyond that, betraying a fundamental lack of regard for the party and voters that have supported him for 18 years.

As is no surprise to many, the fundamental problem with today’s Democratic party is a basic lack of unity of vision and voice. If the DSCC fails to jettison Lieberman, as he has clearly abandoned his party (in the most tangible, concrete manner possible, with a clear statement that his priorities and loyalties are not to the Democratic party or its voters), I will never — ever — contribute directly to the Democratic party, and I will remember this stain (along with those who would be responsible for it, such as Senators Schumer and Reid) for a long time to come.

[name and address withheld]

siun, you’ve got one helluva rolodex there!

At the debate, Ned should ask: Do you belong to the Connecticut Democratic Party, or do you think the party belongs to you?

Interesting that Lieberman did this the day before a big holiday when most people are away, thinking it won’t get much initial coverage…LOSER!

Our good friend Matt Stoller has an ActBlue Lamont challenge diary up at MyDD. Please stop by and recommend:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/3/144449/5637

Pach @ 119

Calling the DSCC is great, but what thinks ye about some other phone calls and emails . . .

How about calling the CT unions that backed Joe, and suggesting that they might want to rethink their position? I would imagine that if any union folks around FDL wanted to contact their CT brothers and sisters, to encourage some new thinking, that might be worth some effort.

Can you imagine if the union GOTV efforts switched over to Ned? More than just affecting the CT Senate race, it would also add to the great publicity for Bush and his supporters lately.

I seem to remember hearing something about some record JARs recently . . .

My God, LindaR, that is a great question.

I quite agree with Ed*ard Teller about Lieberman and Israel and AIPAC. I despise what’s happening in Gaza and I loathe Lieberman but they are not immediately tied together. Donate to Mr. Lamont http://actblue.com/page/firedoglake , not to AIPAC !

Christy#169…I hear you!

I have not yet read all the comments, but I second the call to NOT use “Sore Loserman”

Gore – Lieberman…Sore Loserman

Yes, it was a NASTY and low-brow thing in 2000. I didn’t think it was nice or reasonable then, and I still don’t think so.

Personally, I think hammering how Joe’s simply a ethics challanged skank is a lot more effective and reasonable than resorting to sand-box name calling.

Perhaps some pithy moniker on how he’s more interested in staying in office than staying true to the will of the voters. He’ll play your game till he loses, then he changes the rules.

But, please, “Sore Looserman” isn’t what we ought to be using. PLEASE!

-Greg

Peterr: I think that’s right on but I think it has to come from members and secondarily from AFL-CIO sister unions in other states, especially contguous states. I’ll be there is a lot of angry pressure coming from within the ranks to pull that endorsement back. I’ll send a note to Lamont’s campaign to see what’s up.

Go read Digby’s take on the Lieberman/Schumer cabal to thwart the primary process.

I guess it’s still too soon for “Joe-ver”.

Pach 154 – you are so right on, as always!

OT – still catching up so this may be old news but awfully happy to see CSPAN is re-running Yearly Kos tapes afternoons this week.

Did he say royalties?

-GSD

Oops, forgot to quote Redd chortling about “Joe-nertia”. Hard to concentrate on the bus…

Maura at #68 is right on. This is a huge fight that will continue till November and it is going to cost millions all around. I’ve never seen a “primary” settled by what kind of slogan you adopt. What’s necessary is that Lamont actually win the primary, which means take nothing for granted, — if Lamont’s supporters believe the primary is meaningless all too many will find a reason not to vote, expecting the only meaningful ballot to be in November. Not Right. Every last Lamont voter has to be in line early in the AM in August.

From now on in the most important thing for Lamont is the ground game. It’s the door to door stuff, the small forums where folk can ask questions, it will be the phone banks, and it will be about getting the voter ID done right, and getting every last supporter to the polls in August. If supporters will be on vacation — time to deploy an absentee strategy.

Assuming Lamont wins in August, then a good ground game for growing the electorate with Lamont supporters will be in order. CT has a huge student population largely not there in the summer, and someone has to speak to tactical voting. For Yale students from Ohio they might have to decide whether they want to be Ohio Voters (Brown v DeWine) or CT voters, the 3 way senate race. But New Yorkers at Yale need to understand Clinton really doesn’t need any extra votes, and they might think about re-registering. CT Weslyian, Yale, CT at Storrs, and lots of smaller places — need smart Lamont campus organizations for this sort of tactic.

So forget the slogans — they are not going to change any votes. It is the ground game that counts now and it has to be played very smart.

Christy — one thing you wrote bothers me. Does the Democratic Party really pay people minimum wage for anything? That just seems anathema to the party that purports to represent working people. It makes me feel icky to think it’s true. Am I naive?

Selfish Leaverman

Leaverman has the benefit of being phonetically identical with Lieberman, except with a V instead of a B.

On the other hand, the Leaver-Bash-Fest is starting to get to me — can we advance the more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger now do-the-right-thing-and-quit meme?

Shift from bashing to the high road?

Re the phone folks at the DSCC

I’m all for giving these folks more than the benefit of the doubt here. Yes, I’m sure they have a whole notebook of talking points, to be able to respond to anyone who calls, but do you think Joe gave the DSCC a heads-up to tell them what was coming, so that they could update things for the staff?

Similarly, I don’t think there’s anyone around the DSCC offices higher than the phone people today. It’s more than likely that they are open for appearances on this Monday in the middle of a huge holiday weekend, like many offices of all kinds around the country.

So let’s review: can’t find an answer in the book, can’t get a hold of the boss to get a new answer, gotta work when everyone else started their holiday break last Friday . . .

Yeah, let’s cut them some slack.

Today, that is. Friday is another issue.

I’m a Democratic County Chairman in upstate New York. On June 21st I contacted the office of my Senator, Chuck Schumer, and the offices of the DSCC, and expressed my strong opinion that the DSCC should commit to supporting the winner of the Connecticut primary. At the same time, I surveyed my Columbia County committee members for their views. 18 of the 19 replies shared my view–many vehemently–that the DSCC needed to commit to the winner of the primary. I have advised the DSCC of this, too.

The anger over this matter is not confined to the “netroots.” The party committee members I have spoken to are equally upset that the party leadership in Washington would consider dismissing the actual vote of the party in a primary and instead support an independent candidate.

I hope that other local party leaders will similarly let the DSCC know that it is unacceptable for the Washington wing of the Democratic party to brush aside duly elected nominees of the Democratic Party in favor of personal favorites.

‘There, there, Diddums’

;>)

All we have to do now is wait for Kathryn Harris to bolt the GOP, and then we can address them as the Leaver Bros.

LindaR at 12:11 pm

Probably more than minimum wage, but a low wage nonetheless — $8 to $10 an hour.

Plus, they might not work for the DSCC — it might be outsourced to a call center.

LindaR:

Democrats and progresives do not pay well at all. They have this very supercilious notion that people should donate their talents for the principle of the thing only, and then starve.

While the right wing creates career paths for mediocre talent, the left drives talent away because the left expects people to starve. It’s a really serious problem.

I’m not looking for money from politics, but a sane political movement would be throwing money at sites like this one, because we’ve shown we get results and are effective. In fairness, I should be getting money for what I’m doing, and so should people all across Left blogistan. Many more people shold be getting far more than I should.

Bad pay practices include office staffers for various party structures.

AmericaBlog at http://americablog.blogspot.co…..ready.html has a great post up on the bigger significance of the Lamont/Lieberman race … it’s all about Iraq fundamentally

sacre darkblack….

egregious 157 – you’ll get no argument from me & you may or may not have noticed I used quotations marks on troll….or thought I did.

I like just “Selfish Lieberman”

Because, in base, I think “Selfish” is the distillation of what Joe’s become.

Joe’s more interested in himself than his party. (If he ever really believed in it…) He’s more interested in HIS beliefs of what’s right than the voters at large.

When his professed party has parted ways with him, rather than leaving a long time ago, he tried to see if he could use the party to further himself.

When that didn’t work out, he didn’t withdraw honorably, he pulled a bait and switch.

Selfish is right, and right on.

Thanks!
-Greg

Cut and Run Joe.

What a chowder head. No wonder Gore lost with this tone deaf nitwit at his side.

Or, no wonder the game was easier to fix with this lumpy, schlumpy, dumpy Badluck Schleprock at Gores’ side whipsering sweet capitulations.

-GSD

LindaR at 186 — I’m just guessing that the phone bank people probably get paid lower wages. No inside line on that from me, I’m afraid — that wasn’t some scoop on wages or anything, just a comment on how the lower end of the pay scale folks aren’t where we ought o concentrate our ire, ya know?

punaise –

Yeah, but Cruella De Chad has a better beard.

Shellfish…..no spine.

-GSD

Pach – we feel your pain – its our pain, too. Selise and Kathryn in MA are at RevDebs figuring out the intracacies of making websites and the power went out for hours!! (it seems like) (we used up all our battery power but were cut off from the world. So, we just got back on and heard the news! Yesssss!

Ken Dow (189):

Wow! Excellent, sir!

and what does this change? nothing
what are his loyalties? obvious
what is he going to do? then beat him

but don’t expect any politico to do “the right thing”
none quite understand the meaning. it does not live within a sociopath’s mind.
they can explain it to you, till one of you is blue, but they don’t understand it.

how naive can we be to not see that this is all about the money they make. it has been for generations. we really should be pretend to be smarter than to care about these excuses for human beings

you can’t beat a machine that all ready has a winner inserted in the program. if we don’t have fair elections, we will be whining again.

shouldn’t we consider preventing electronic voting from occurring ever again? my state did. only took a few people writing the ballot initiative. the people voted for it in a big way. wouldn’t your people do that too? it is our only hope of any truth. if we have 65% demo, and 35% repubs in this country, why would our elections always come out so strangely? figure it out. the vote is rigged, and will be again until you take action to prevent them from screwing you again.

hope someone is thinking, somewhere

Pach — This must change. Not paying a living wage is a sin, in my atheistic opinion. Any person or organization who is willing to take hours from a human being’s life and not pay a living wage should be shamed. And no, that is not a typo.

Can anyone give me an Air America link?

Everybody take a deep breath and check out this Rasmussen poll

Lamont 15 percent down I can live with–a lot can change between now and November. But what’s up with the favorable/unfavorables? When I saw that, a chill went up my spine.

Hope I’m wrong.

Franco at 163 egregious, I always agree with you, but on this one I don’t. Well just this once, I guess it’s ok. :D

I wrote rather than calling, so am willing to have my mind changed by people who were the victims of rude phone contacts.

Pach 193 – it all ties in with the GOP as the party of self-interest.

Also – how decisive will DSCC backing be in November?

Air America link

http://www.airamerica.com/listen/?q=real

Hmm, I wonder if there’ll be a sudden spike in donations this afternoon to Lamont’s campaign.

Yuh think?!

egregious…SORRY!…I am just upset and after getting hung up on, and then having (now nine) of my friends be spoken to rudely, I over reacted to the situation…Christy set me straight, she is right, my anger should be directed to Schumer and the others who are messing up the party.

Christy @ 200 — I agree completely about not harassing the phone people. The pay scale thing is a tangent I’m going off on.

mc
Well, I just donated to Ned.

Christy, thanks for acknowledging kc’s concern about the Sore Loserman slogan–much better than your earlier “chip on the shoulder” comment. Although, for those of us who worked in the Gore-Lieberman campaign in 2000, we definitely have chips on our shoulders. I live in California and remember the “Sore Lierberman” chants from hired white-collar thugs. It was all over the news (how could you have missed it?). We do not need to recycle a nasty repuke slogan, especially when it was a play on Gore’s name as well. Joe-nertia isn’t bad, but I like “cut ‘n run” Joe as much or more.

Can’t wait for Jane to get back from Ned’s presser and give us her first-hand impressions.

Why shoudlanyone think Lieberman will win as an Independent? That defies logic and reason.

By bolting Liberman has made himself an issue — ignoring the needs of the people of his state. All Ned Lamont has to do is act like a responsible citizen.

Okay I admit the question is somewhat rhetorical, but why is the Times sloppily parroting the phrase that Joe the Joke will run as an “ individual Democratic candidate” if he loses in the statewide Democratic primary next month?

Words have meaning. “Individual Democratic candidate” is an Orwellianism, not an accurate phrase. You’d almost think the Times doesn’t care about accuracy….

Don’t sweat the Rasmussen poll. Tis many a slip twixt the cup and the lip. Wait til the primary, where Rasmussen as of June 12 says:

The latest Rasmussen Reports survey of the Primary Election shows Lieberman leading challenger Ned Lamont by just six percentage points, 46% to 40%.

I like those odds.

And lest we forget Rasmussen leans way RIGHT!

eli @ #181 said “I guess it’s still too soon for “Joe-ver”.”

it is, eli. Like Jane (or Redd) said here earlier, this is the3 fight of his political life and he WILL fight.

I found out last night that there’s an experienced NYC ad group already working on a new set of TV ads to deal with the post-July 3rd environment. I’m trying to find out if there’s any DSCC $ involved, but may be difficult because the info so far is coming – sort of unwittingly – from a dear relative who I don’t want to alienate.

Eli: DSCC backing could have marginal influence in November, I would guess. Each candidate will want to be able to say he is backed by the national party.

Siun is right to give out contact information for every member of the DSCC in the Senate. Each member should feel the pressure of being personally associated with the backing of a candidate who may not pass muster with the state party through the primary process.

Oh, and consistent with my political philosophy, I never expect pols to do the right thing for the right reasons. I expect them to do the right thing out of fear and calculation. It’s our job to instill the fear and force the calculation.

DSCC support is very important – they pour in money, ads, speakers, gotv help – the whole works.

As a local campaign, you pray for that money every day.

And we as netroots need to understand that this is a critical moment in our push for a party that represents the people.

Christy at 127 – thanks. I shouldn’t have assumed everyone was familiar with the history.

I think “Joe-nertia” is pretty funny too. As is Eli’s “Joe-ver.”

No reply – not even voicemail – from the number for Barbara Boxer.

Pach,
Somehow I don’t think Chuck Schumer believes we are helping. And somehow I don’t think he is. It’s a shame when we all want to win. We disagree on how to win and what victory looks like. Is it too much to say we want more rights and not less. We want more freedom and not less. Representatives who act for the many and not the few. These are simple concepts that cannot be argued against. The left wing needs a sound machine that is financially supported by the Democratic party. Shame on them for not seeing this.

clarifier on #222:

an experienced NYC ad group hired by Lieberman

darkblack 12:15 p.m.

ROFL

One of your best.

Isn’t the crux of why the DSCC should not support Lieberman that there is a very real likelihodd that Lieberman would end up running AGAINST the duly elected Democratic nominee?

How can any Senate Democrat possibly entertain the idea of supporting the opponent of the Democratic nominee in a general election?

On kos now – Dodd’s office refuses to support the democratic nominee.

Franco 12:22 p.m.

Thanks

eb at 215 — to be honest, I also had a miscarriage around the time of the election, so it was a doubly trying period of time for me at that point. I honestly don’t remember seeing any signs like that here in WV. As I told kc, had I known it was a rethug slogan, I would not have used it in the first place, although I still think “sore loser” is exactly what Lieberman is being — before he’s even lost the primary.

The June 12 Rasmussen poll for the primary doesn’t say whether registered republicans were included. Whether they go for Lieberman or Schlesinger in the general may determine the outcome. I’m with those here who say this ain’t gonna be a cakewalk. I’m glad Lamont is prepared to run hard and spend a lot of money, and I hope with all my heart that he wins.

Dodd is being phenominally stupid, but this is no flippant stance on his part. Expect the DSCC to take the same approach.

It’s a full-on war in the party. I thought it might be postponed a while. But I guess not. That’s fine: we’re ready. I suppose they want to do it now because they know we’ll only grow stronger with time. They hope to nip us in the bud.

Bad move. Bad calculation.

regarding

siun says:
July 3rd, 2006 at 11:39 am

I just checked the CA roots project page in google groups, and no mention of this.

Isn’t this a perfect “Call to Action” alert for the Roots project — call their regional DSCC representatives with the “Support REAL Democrats” message?

I distinctly remember “Sore Loserman” signs in FLA during the recount controversy in 2000. I would suggest we lose the “Sore” (which originally referred to Gore) but continue to use “Loserman.” That is an image that we should reinforce at every opportunity.

Who is the regional DSCC rep for Oklahoma? I need to make a call.

Gosh, I’m sorry to hear that, Christy 234.

There’s a lot to recommend both “Cut & Run Joe” AND “Joe-nertia” — he sure is sticking to his beeline for Chimpy’s arms.

Just called the DSCC, and asked what their stance was in light of Schumer’s remarks on MTP Sunday, and the Lieberman announcement – they spouted the Schumer Talking Points! I urged them to loudly and proudly support Democrats in all cases, and he reiterated Schumer!

Christy

Could you please post an update with the FDL ActBlue link? It would be great if Lamont’s campaign saw an upswell of contributions from FDL today.

Jacqrat: I’ll get that info out to all the groups after the holiday. Many people are not around today, and once business resumes on Wednesday, that’s the time to open coordinated fire, in my view.

That said, any group member is free to post whatever they like in their groups. I offer ideas, but I don’t control or decide anything.

Obviously, to Lieberman, “democracy” doesn’t matter. It’s the Imperial Senate Seat, like the Impreial Presidency.

I’ll bet there will be a court challenge if he loses, too

Hey, Sue,

I’ll be marching with the “Kiss Joe Goodbye” float tomorrow in the Willimantic 4th of July parade. Any chance you and Lorenzo might be able to make it? I’d love to see you there and finally meet you and Lorenzo!

How to reach Barbara Boxer at her leadership PAC, PAC For A Change:

info@pacforachange.com

Mailing Address:

PAC for a Change
c/o Smith Kaufman
777 S. Figueroa St., Suite 4050
Los Angeles, CA 90017

I just donated again to Ned.

Feels good. try it!

I posted this ActBlue link earlier — we can see how FDL is doing vs others. And you can click the FireDogLake link to contribute.

http://actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/9354

Firedoglake Donation Page at ActBlue.

Fresh thread …

Pach – I sent a message to the IL States project – can you spread it to the others?

and new thread folks.

Happy Independents Day Joementum!

darkblack, do you take requests? a minor tweak to your Diddums: Joe in diapers, wearing a pointy cap. Here’s the caption:

‘Happy In-Depends-Dunce Day Joe-Nertia!’

Joe’s having a little countenance problem.

Pach:

Didn’t mean to offend – I was just brainstorming. Agree that perhaps Wednesday is a better day. Truly appreciate all the hard work that you do. If I felt more confident in my ability to “rouse the troops” I’d have posted something myself.

Just came back fron my bank… Wachovia…in Winston Salem, N.C..

I am “tower of power” to relay that I put a stop payment on my $1000.00 check to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Commitee.

Heres to you Ned….directly!

Larry

oh no! collaborative convergence ahead! words by punaise, image by darkblack….

now i’m frightened !

TSF – duck and cover!

Larry that is so great!!

although I still think “sore loser” is exactly what Lieberman is being %u2014 before he’s even lost the primary.

He’s a petitioning loser.

Correct me if I’m wrong, is this the secon coming of an HST/Tim Crouse double-team(which I would see as a very good thing, indeed)?

And if so will there be a book down the road, perhaps titled (caution:blogtrotter-ramallamadingdong…), ‘The Girls On The Bus’?

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#230 and your little dog, too . . . . says:
Isn’t the crux of why the DSCC should not support Lieberman that there is a very real likelihodd that Lieberman would end up running AGAINST the duly elected Democratic nominee?

YES!!! And we need to repeat this point often and repeatedly!

So CNN finally ran a piece on Lieberman, and how does it wind up? With the idiot at the anchor desk saying that Lieberman’s support for the war had made him “a target of the Democratic left.” AAARRRGH! I realize that CNN’s A-team is all on vacation, but with the majority of the country opposed to the war — with a supermajority of Democrats included in that opposition — how did Boltin’ Joe suddenly become the emblem of the Democratic non-left? Except in his own mind — and apparently CNN’s?

Aw, come on. Don’t be hatin’ on ol’ “Goalposts Joe”.

When does his pension vest?

The Senate campaign committee called me yesterday
and I told them I would not give money for Lieberman. I could have mentioned some other names
as well.

Punaise @ 252:

You assed for it

;>)

Woohoo, Bush throws Cheney under the bus!

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0703.html

If this turns out to be for real, then Fitzmas may indeed come early this year.

I’ve just sent off an e-mail to the DSCC urging them to support the winner of the Democratic primary.

Let’s inundate them with calls/letters indicating that if they do not support the winner of the Democratic primary, we will cease to consider them leaders of the Democratic party.

For what it’s worth, from Wayne Madsen:

July 1, 2006 — A former top Defense Department official has told WMR that he fears the Bush administration will pull off another “911″ before the November election. The official stated that the next 911 will be used as a pretext for shipping U.S. citizens of Middle East descent to mass detention camps, establish martial law, impose strict censorship, and finally eliminate the power of the Congress and the Supreme Court over the president. “The next 911 will be much more like the Reichstag fire in terms of creating a dictatorship,” said the official.

I sent an e-mail to Ned’s web site a couple of weeks ago urging them to talk to their lawyers. Democrats donated $$$ for Democrats not independents. If the DCSS spends any money for Liberman running as an independent it would be a fraud upon Democratic donors.

Dennis Eros

Just sent this letter to Senator Chuck and the DSCC –

I urge you to support the winner of the Connecticut Democratic primary, whether it be Lamont or Lieberman, in the general election. If Joe Lieberman wins, I’m sure you will. But if Lamont wins, I want to make sure that you do what’s right and Democratic, too.

That is, if Ned Lamont wins the primary, I hope that you and the DSCC will do everything in your power – financially, personally, and publicly – to support Ned Lamont in his quest to become Connecticut’s Democratic Senator.

Sincerely,

P.S. I was Joe Lieberman’s roommate at Yale. I liked him as a person. But his continued and vocal support for Bush’s bloody and wrongheaded War on Iraq is unconscionable.

The War on Iraq is a drain on our national treasury and a blot on our international reputation. It has nothing to do with a so-called “war on terror.” Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11.

If Joe persists in his support of the preemptive and imperial powers of this incompetent Republican President, he will have to answer to his own conscience and, ultimately, to the voters of Connecticut. That is the path he has freely chosen. If the Democratic voters choose not to follow him and to vote for Ned Lamont, you have a sworn duty to follow the wishes of the Democratic voters of Connecticut. I hope that you and the national Democratic Party will do just that.

Dgl #29–excellent hint:

How about the Crony Party (CP)?
Crony Capitalism Party (CCP)?
Embedded Crony Party (ECP)?

It looks like Boltin’ Joe’s new party affiliation is “Zell-Liebertarian”.

Off topic. Sorry.

Headline from HuffPo:

National Journal: Bush Told Prosecutors He “Directed” Cheney To Discredit Joe Wilson…

Is this new news???? I am getting my panties in
a wad trying to figure out if I should be celebrating or not.

From out here in the boondocks, it appears to me that if Lieberman has any greater loyalities, they are to Lieberman’s face on TV. As a DINO, he got press time because of his regular criticism of the grassroots Democrat positions. As the equivalent of a RINA..Republican in Name Actually.. he may be a freak, but he isn’t the kind of freak whose statements will be likely to garner him TV face time.

Whichever way, it seems to me Lieberman now will be old news or no news.

David Ehrenstein —

“Why shoudl anyone think Lieberman will win as an Independent? That defies logic and reason.”

Apparently logic and reason aren’t what they used to be. The pollsters have already been running “If Lieberman runs as an independent, who will you vote for” polls. The numbers coming back are all over 50% Lieberman, under 20% Lamont, under 10% the Republican, a bit over 20% undecided.

Let’s assume that Lamont manages to win 80% of the undecided vote (rest going to Lieberman) and, oh, 20% of the people saying right now they’d vote for an independent Lieberman, on the run to November. That moves him up to 46% of the vote vs. a Lieberman 44% — before Republicans abandon their sure loser candidate to stop Lamont.

Lieberman is so extremely popular with both Connecticut’s plurality independents and minority Republicans that he has a majority even if every registered Democrat in CT votes for Lamont.

jurismark says
July 3rd, 2006 at 11:20 am

“Independent Democrat” is an oxymoron.
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I guess you gus have never heard of Will Rogers

The Senate Prez must try to go past to his hazy youth and amneziac young ladies abortion.