
[Today in the FDL Book Salon, we are so thrilled to be discussing F.U.B.A.R. : America's Right-Wing Nightmare by Sam Seder and Stephen Sherrill. Joining in the discussion today is their pal, Marc Maron, who really needs no introduction because you likely remember him from his Air America work...you do, don't you? As always, please keep discussion on the Book Salon thread confined to talking about the book and the issues raised therein -- you may continue other discussions in the previous thread. Anyway, welcome to Marc...let the serious discussion begin. --CHS]
So the country is Fucked Up -- according to Sam and Stephen, "beyond all recognition." Sam tells me that he knows the actual acronym is "beyond all repair," but that Sam is "an optimist and still thinks it can be repaired.
He doesn’t sound so optimistic here, but I still agree with him:
This is a different kind of fucked up. It’s the Rapture Right Paradox: to whatever extent you realize Bush and the Rapture Right have fucked America up, it’s always worse. And however ever worse you think it is, it’s worser.
FUBAR isn’t just another Bush bashing book. It focuses on a particular strain of Republicanism -- the far-right Christian strain of Republicans or as I like to call them, the Christo-Fascist-Zombie-Brigade. But the authors also make a good case that this is no longer just a strain of the Republican Party, it is the Republican Party:
...We use the terms "Bush," "republicans," and "rapture right" interchangeably. What was once the fringe—the embarrassing cousin they saw only when they had to (special occasions, especially the ones held every four years in November)—has now become the heart of the Republican Party. They’ve finally got the real power, and, like Bush with the phantom "political capital" he claimed to have earned after the 2004 election, they intend to use it.
And if you don’t believe them, after that are two hundred pages of evidence of how they’re already using it. Here’s a quote they have from George Grant, former executive director of Coral Ridge Ministries:
Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ—to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion that we are after. not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. and we must never settle for anything less. If Jesus Christ is indeed lord, as the Bible says, and if our commission is to bring the land into subjection to his lordship, as the Bible says, then all our activities, all our witnessing, all our preaching, all our craftsmanship, all our steward- ship, and all our political action will aim at nothing short of that sacred purpose. Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land—of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.
And even if you’re a liberal, even if you follow politics, even if you happen to host a liberal political radio show on an ailing liberal radio network, a lot of what Sam and Stephen dig up will surprise you.
This is the shit that the Christo-Fascist-Zombie-Brigade are doing under the radar, on the state level, organized through their underground railroad network of gigantic fanatical churches, the zombie factories. Things like:
-- Abstinence-only "sex ed" programs, which Sam and Stephen call the "Oral and Anal Sex Enhancement Initiative."
-- The Creation Museum being built in Cincinnati for $25 million dollars, which claims that the earth is only 4000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs were around at the same time -- how do they know this? Because there’s a dragon on the flag of Wales.
-- How the "intelligent design" advocates now use the language of the enlightenment (we just want "both sides debated," have an "open mind,") to attack evolution. Choice quote here? "If you can cause enough doubt on evolution, liberalism will die.’" So says Terry Fox, pastor of the largest Baptist church in the Midwest.
-- The Republican battle against the battle against mercury in your water, right called here "The Republican Neurological Disorder Promotion Act of 2005."
The authors helpfully include a list of "fun things to do with neurological damage." ("Unofficially ‘patrol’ the Mexican border...Hang out socially with Robert Novak.")
As you might guess with Sam and Stephen, the book is also funny. As you might not guess, Sam stole a significant part of his comic "take" from me years ago, and still won’t admit it. I’d discuss it more here, but am unable to, due to pending litigation that Sam could have drawn up himself had he not dropped out of law school.
There’s the speech FDR would have given after Pearl Harbor, had he been a bit more like Bush (a comparison the Bush people have tried to make in several speeches). There’s a career counseling quiz for senior citizens, in case the GOP succeeds in killing Social Security, which they’re reportedly going to try to do again next year. There’s Rick Santorum’s sex advice column ("The Secretary of Love").
And then there’s a lengthy examination of the weird phenomenon of gay Republicans, in which the authors make a convincing case that all homophobes are gay -- yeah, of course, we all sort of know that, but, turns out, there’s a real study. Sam tells me that Michael Medved asked him on the book tour if Sam and Stephen were "partners...outside of the book." Yeah, why would someone give a shit about homophobia if they’re not gay? (Though in Medved’s defense, that author photo ain’t helping any. Michael probably just looking for a context to put the photos in for his own use later in his mind and hand.)
People often ask if it’s hard to satire the Bush administration, given that most of their rationalizations sound so insane already. That is, of course, true, and what’s great about FUBAR is that a lot of the humor seems out there at first, but then you realize that what their doing is just taking the internal logic of the Bush administration one step further. Which is why everyone should read FUBAR -- sure we all have scandal fatigue (it’s the genius of the Bush administration -- they fuck things up so much, you can’t focus on any one thing), but a lot of what seems funny now, won’t seem so funny when it actually comes true. And the more light we shine on them, the less likely that will be to happen.
Oh, and, also, there’s the phone calls. One of Sam’s bits on the show (that he didn’t steal from me) is where he calls right-wing lunatics (as the "family reporter" of The Majority Report) and calmly asks them about what they're doing, like the guy who claims that "Shark Tale" is a secret gay conversion movie. You can listen here. It’s funny, but not to the millions of people that take this stuff seriously. Which is why we should, too.
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As always, folks, please keep comments on the subject of the book discussion — FUBAR today. Thanks!
I’m re-reading the book now. There’s actually more funny in it than I thought originally.
Marc — my first read of it was on a plane, and I know that everyone seated around me thought I was completely insane because I kept breaking out into these enormous, loud giggles. But I’m sure I sold several books on the flight, because people kept asking me what I was reading.
And truly, the phone call about Shark Tale is one of the funniest moments ever. The fact that the man had no idea that Sam was not remotely serious — and that he even considered the possibility of Herbie the Dentist Elf and Rudolph as a meant-to-be-implied couple cracks me up.
Welcome, Marc! I’d like to suggest to Sam and Stephen that these days, FUBAR is more likely to stand for “Fucked Up By A Republican.”
Christy #4 –
Agreed. I like how Sam was able to end-around the guy about “imposing one’s beliefs,” etc.
Really put the point across that these people are pushing exactly what they are condeming, just in different packaging.
The amazing thing is that there is such imprtant information in the book. I get hung up on the stats and the horror and S and S jsut under cut with the humor. The Karen Hughes stuff kill me.
the recording itself is awesome. the guy had no idea he hung himself
%u2013 Abstinence-only “sex ed” programs, which Sam and Stephen call the “Oral and Anal Sex Enhancement Initiative.”
You say this like it’s a bad thing.
I love this book,it’s hysterical.My copy has coffee stains,do NOT eat or drink while you read this one,lol.
Hi Marc!!!
Marc at 7 — we like to say that Karen Hughes big foots her way around the diplomacy arena. *g* That Middle East listening tour that she did was just a disaster…and the way that Sam and Stephen point out her ineptness is so spot on in its factual information — and its mocking — that it is just a thing of beauty.
Marc,
Miss you SO MUCH in the mornings! Rapture Watch was one of my favorites, a subject that Sam begins to touch on, but that you two kept going on a weekly basis.
Hi Mark,
‘Welcome to FDL. I just happened to catch Left of the Dial last night and mourned anew the fact I don’t get to hear you anymore.
I was so happy to read Sam go after Dreier for, well, being such a dick. No one here in his district will even mention his , ahem, living arrangement in print, the LA Weekly being the only exception so far.
And I especially love Sam’s interview style. He asks the perfect questions in his deadpan voice and gets them to open up like no one else does. Shark Tale is perfect!
I love that S and S made the connection that absitinence only really encourages more “abnormal” sex among teens. i guess the number of kids they are able to scare is worth the number they might “corrupt”
Angry Broad at 10 — I know! It should come with a beverage warning label…
Left of the Dial was so flattering in its depiction of me.
mommybrain,
Marc is on at night in LA. You might be able to get him there.
I knew I guy who dated a catholic woman who would only have anal sex to maintain her virginity. Amazing.
Actually, Marc, it was. It made me fall in love with you.
Hi all. The Hughes stuff wasn’t actually meant to be such a big chapter, just a part of one about cronyism, but the more we read about her “listening tour,” with all the bizarre stuff about “being a mommy,” the section just got bigger.
The Shark Tale phone call belongs in a museum,classic.
I couldn’t pull off doing that stuff without falling to pieces giggling.
Very few of the teens I knew at the time could see anything wrong with Clinton getting a BJ. That’s no sex, say they.
weeknights 10-12 KTLK. Thought, it seems that might be on its way out. I has Sam on last week and played the part of Dreier in his presentation.
Stephen #20
That part was bizarre. I guess that’s just more evidence of the right-wing’s simplistic brain functions.
“I’m a mom, they are moms… this can work…”
True story. We had an exchange student living with us last year — and she attended a Catholic high school and played on their basketball team. My husband went to a game one evening and, sitting in the stands, three girls sitting a couple of rows behind him were having this incredibly graphic discussion about what sexual things they COULD do with their boyfriends and still say they hadn’t had “sex.” He’s not a prude by any means, but he was so thoroughly embarrassed. If they think it has any effect on making kids not fool around at all they are only fooling themselves.
Re: Dreier, in the FAQ about being a gay GOP congressman, we have a joke about Dreier being a “pussy hound.” It’s included in the presentation we do in our readings, and the one we did in LA was one of the few places where people got the joke.
Also, there was quite a bit of legal wrangling about what we could and could not say about Dreier, since he’s still closeted.
Matt O @ 2:15
I think that’s called being socially retarded.
Stephen Sherrill @ 20,
Hughes is just another example of the diplomatic tin ear this Administration possesses. Cultural deafness. Look at the way Bush manhandles Asian dignitaries, for example. No concept of personal space.
Speaking as one with a degree in Anthropology, I cringe whenever I see him interact with someone who isn’t from Crawford.
i asked a rabbi once why followers has to adhere to prophesy. Is seems that if the prophecy were horrible that people would want to avoid it and do everything they can to change the course. He seemed to imply that they could but not forever. The idea of belief clouding fact and that the real battle is between rational people and delusion christo-zombies is dealt with well in the book.
manhandles? He got to go to Graceland.
FDL is sick of me saying this, but Dreier is a sick bastard. The day before the primary, there was a pushpoll that had his fingerprints all over it asking insulting questions about his strongest Dem. opponent, questions like “If you knew Russ Warner’s son had committed atrocities in Iraq, would you still vote for him?” I hope he and whoever that singer was lo those many years ago get papparazied (oh, bad sp) in a public restroom at Will Rogers State Beach.
Stephen — how much pushback have you guys gotten from the “Christian right” about the book? Anything coordinated that you’ve seen, or just the occasional nutball letter? You guys hit them quite hard with factual information and real quotes — something I’d like to see more of the corporate media do every time they have one of the political shill “preachers” on for an interview…
Marc @ 30,
Koizumi is a strange bird. I was thinking more along the lines of the visit by the Chinese.
Of course, this could all just be Bush’s latent homosexuality bubbling to the surface.
Oh, and since I just recently graduated from college, the chapter on picking the right job for you really helped. I’m minimum wage-bound. Thanks guys!
I found the “how to win friends and convert republicans section” pretty helpful actually. I usually end up yelling and becoming the demonic liberal the expect.
…and I say this as the granddaughter of a Methodist minister, so I don’t think that church is the problem. In case anyone is wondering…
Marc at 35 — that is quite difficult. It’s hard not to grab them by the shoulders and shake them, yelling “wake the fuck up, and stop being a sheeple.”
Stephen. aren’t we all just outsourced Chinese labor at this point?
Re: Anal Sex virginity thing
It’s not as uncommon as you think. Years ago, back in the Age of Clinton when everyone was happy and investing in tech stocks - I found myself in Italy in the company of three beautiful young women.
Having an after-dinner conversation, they all told me that anal sex had become a common sexual practice in Italy during the rule of the Popes - you could have some fun, not get pregnant, and marry as a virgin!
At the time it struk me as a very elegant solution to a very stupid problem. The Italians fixed the problem itself around 1860.
How long do you think it’ll take us to do the same?
Re: FUBAR - haven’t read it, am going to get a copy this week.
No, the Mega-Church is the problem. Zombie factories.
Marc 23
Oh no! Please don’t say it’s on it’s way out. I podcast the show every day and, in the interests of time, think I can fast forward through the boring bits.
Then I never ff at all. :)
Please, please don’t go away.
Oh, and I downloaded FUBAR (unfortunately it was only available abridged) from Audible.com and loved it! Made a depressing subject fun to read about.
Marc #35 –
I hear ya. Most of my family and their friends are conservatives. Needless to say, I go home twice a year.
One of the biggest problems with debating wingers is that they don’t believe anything that isn’t stamped “FNC approved.” That chapter sure lends a helping hand on subverting that defense.
Matt O. re minimum wage, only if that’s what they pay you while you are writing your book.
You have started your book…right?
%u2013 Abstinence-only “sex ed” programs, which Sam and Stephen call the “Oral and Anal Sex Enhancement Initiative.”
Thank YOU Jeebus ….8-)
Marc Maron ….. Funny MF’er
8-)
I should’ve went to Italy in college. Damn.
22 Mommybrain says:
July 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 pm
Very few of the teens I knew at the time could see anything wrong with Clinton getting a BJ. That’s no sex, say they.
I recall a poll that showed young folks attitude about oral sex changed by the early 90s, well before Monica.
I expect Ana Marie Cox to join this thread at any moment.
Marc at 40 — it constantly amazes me that people who attend the mega-churches, many of whom have little to rub together in their wallet, don’t scratch their heads and wonder “How come the minister and the deacons all live in mansions and driver beemers?”
Christy, we haven’t gotten as much pushback as we’d like. Sam got some crazy calls on Medved (one guy suggested that if Sam I hate Bush so much, why don’t we assasinate him — he also, I should say, prefaced his call with, “I’m not insane…”), but we’d like to get more pushback.
Stephen –
Don’t forget the direct correlation between FUBAR and the rise in adult diapers.
Are there going to be any more F*U*B*A*R tour dates, outside of New York?
Stephen — I’m surprised. I would have thought that the Brent Bozell zombies would be sending you guys mail.
WT 28
He’s NOT from Crawford. He’s from prep schools and secret fraternities.
He would be just as patronizing to an actual person from Crawford.
I was yelling at a conservative the other night on stage at show. I think he was talking about moral relativism in asking me what I thought about polygamy to make a point about how people against gay marriage make their decisions. When i brought up the mega church mind meld he said that Martin Luther King used a church as his platform. i said he was tryig to guaranty civil rights the other is trying to take them away but he was unable to make a distinction between the uses of the church. One as fascist facilitator, the other as righteous communtiy organizing apparatus.
Marc (@38). yeah, no shit. just read this in the Times yesterday:
“The Bush-era deficits are also alarming in the extent to which they are foreign financed. Since 2001, 73 percent of new government borrowing has been from abroad. In total, 43 percent of the United States’ publicly held debt of $4.8 trillion is in foreign hands, compared with only 14 percent at the peak of the Reagan deficits in 1983…”
A Rick Santorum sex advice column.
Sponsored by Petco?
Stephen, have you recieved and right wing flack?
Marc — when you talk about the mega-church zombie factories, have you had to deal with a lot of that in call-ins with your show as well? Have either you or Stephen found any good ways to counteract that sort of mindless follower mind-set? I’ve always found it fun to confound them with scripture that says the exact opposite of what they believe…
How sweet is it to watch Santorum sink! Man, a thing of beauty.
Christy @ 32 & 36
On behalf of political non-shill preachers everywhere, thank you for the clarification.
;)
Cat chew: we’re going to be at The Strand on July 17th, and probalby also one more date, doing a live broadcast in conjunction with The Tank and Drinking Liberally.
And Christy, I think the problem is that we’re just not on their radar yet.
second what peterr says.
Marc #54
Those unfounded claims of a correlation between gay marriage and polygamy, or gay marriage and people wanting to marry their pets, are so asinine and ridiculous.
To start with, a pet cannot sign a marriage license.
Plus, how does opening the door to two people blow the roof off of it for people to marry in groups?
Fact is, it doesn’t. It is just bigotry rooted in misguided belief.
I’m wondering if the book has gotten the approval of either Richard Cohen or Lee Siegel. Because otherwise how will we know if its genuinely funny?
Marc, we’re trying to get some right wing flack, but not really yet. I guess the NY Times is too much of a threat to national security to divert the right’s focus right now. As soon as they take care of the the Styles section and the Escapes, they’ll get around to us.
Christy
Again, I end up yelling a representing the Satan they think we are. I’m trying to get more cutting with my arguments. Even when you hit them with some truth the get that smug you’re-going-to-hell-face and that tone of faux forgiveness. i have no patience for it or for Dems that think we need to pander to them
I love you Marc!
I have a dear friend who’s a minion of the megachurch, and she’s totally in thrall. Her family is fairly poor, the church helped she and her husband kick the meth, and she has no idea what’s in the bible. The church has helped her financially a lot. You can’t counteract that kind of devotion or crutch, without something to offer instead.
I hate when the right wing machine doesn’t give us the negative attention we deserve. Don’t they know we’re trying to make a living?
From my experience and conversations with graden-variety Rapture Righties (not the leaders, but the followers), their radios only dial in to Paul Harvey, James Dobson, and similar local radio icons. The only music on the radio is the RR version of “Christian.” They may be aware of the existence of Air America, but their radios would melt before they actually received signals from AA stations.
Dr Nobody: I think Siegal withheld his endorsement because he saw Sam wearing a baseball cap indoors. I told Sam he shouldn’t do it, but we wouldn’t listen.
O’reilly’s suit against Al Franken taught them they’ll do better by ignoring our side.
I’d rather spend and hour with a Tweeker over a Christian any day. I hope she stays of the crank and gets off the Christ as well. Tough deal.
It’s always the ones who scream loudest about family values and morality who don’t have any.
I mean, “one of those” Christains. Gotta make distinctions these days.
Funny, too, she’ll watch American Idol, but won’t go near Harry Potter! Strange values, that one.
Sorry about my crappy typing.
American Idol. A true sign of the end!
Marc –
I guess for me, I see how religion saves some people from themselves. It is when people turn around and start thumping you with the Bible that I get upset about it.
Marc, on the mega church thing, one thing that I think makes them different is how they provide every possible thing for your life: recreation, vacations, babysitting, fitness centers. I grew up in a very religious household (father was a southern baptist minister), but church was just for religious service and the odd social thing. With the megachurches, they create such a physical/lifestyle bubble around the congregation that getting their beliefs to be more bubble-like and cut off from the rest of society isn’t that hard.
Stephen — how did you guys find out about all the Hughes crapola. That was truly some of the funniest, most idiotic shit that I have read in ages. I had heard some of it in news stories, but most of what you guys found had to come from international reporting — American media didn’t cover the stupidity of the listening tour nearly enough.
Marc 74
Glad you made that distinction.
I think you’d probably enjoy spending some time with RevDeb or Peterr.
The woman is a dear friend because she walks like a Christian, unlike many who talk like one, and do the opposite. And whatever helps her stay clean, I guess is good.
In these Christo-Fascist times …. Love cost’s Money.
Came to give some love to Sam Seder and Stephen Sherrill and their book FUBAR …..
You guys did great …..
Also while I’m here …. Marc Maron ….. you are a comic genius ….
Ok when do I get my check?
Just kidding about the check …..all you guys are great and thanks for being on AAR.
See ya later
8-)
When complete mediocrity maligns the culture and all applaud and support it as it represents their own dreams of mimicry and shallowness.
iamcoyote @ 67
Your last line is critical in this whole discussion: “without something to offer instead.”
When you are talking about someone’s belief system - be it political beliefs, religious beliefs, or beliefs about the relative worth of European vs. South American soccer styles - simply tearing down will not do much. Mostly it will simply engage someone’s “martyr complex,” and reinforce whatever positions they already hold. If, on the other hand, the tearing down is accompanied by an alternative vision, then you can get somewhere.
Stephen #79 - exactly. Everything is available and safe within the church.
Stephen –
Yes, I have seen this with my own eyes. They travel in herds, do everything together, go to lunches and dinners together almost every day. Kind of cultish…
Christy, the Hughes stuff we mostly found on the internet, but it was also mostly European accounts. The British press covered her much more than ours. It’s amazing the trip wasn’t more widely covered.
I get it about the mega church land of the dead community idea but still the biggest threat, and I think that the book does it justice, is the paradigm shift from fact based to myth based and that it can happen in this culture because people are that detached from realy thinking about the threat or caring. And the zombies are tenacious, ambitious and organized.
Matt O. @78,
agreed. You do whatever it is that you need to do to get through the day. Just don’t assume that everyone wants to live that way.
I hail from a family of lapsed Reconstructionist Jews. Can I interest you in a bacon cheeseburger?
The few bits I remember being covered on the Hughes trip were on the Daily Show, you know that one that’s going to ruin young people’s desire to vote?
The United States as we know it is over. What the crackpot right hasn’t already screwed up is probably on life support because we as a country are so broke and in the hole nothing can fix it. I’m planning on becoming an ex-pat and stop worrying about it. If the southern Jesus freak drooling class is so goddamn dumb as to believe in the “rapture”, then what’s the use. I wonder how many Europeans believe in this horseshit?
Belief is a tough nut to crack with out providing the equivalent of a white light experience that will laser cut through bad beliefs and then you have to deal with an individual who’s belief has been shattered or broken and you better have something or someplace to held them fill that hole.
Christy,
The Christian right see themselves as victims. Deep down inside they know how crazy they sound and want everyone to acknowledge their religion so those other voices will stop.
Other questions to ask MegaChurchers - Is your faith so weak that you need approval from the State? Others?
You want the Bible to be taught in school? Why don’t you take personal responsibility for the religious education of your children?
(From Confessions of a Dittohead, also in my stack, on top of FUBAR, from YK)
Stephen at 79 — you know, I hadn’t thought of it quite in that way, but that is absolutely true. I attended a mom’s group that was held in a local megachurch for a while…but it became all about recruiting new members for the church, and not so much about mom’s hanging out and swapping parenting tips and such. It was such an all-encompassing atmosphere. Interesting to think of it as a bubble — but that was absolutely the feeling that I had with it. Explains a lot.
Hey Matt O. –
I was going to send you something about the Young Democrats hiring — but the link is broken.
The Democratic Party — so incompetent in the zombie factory business, we can’t even sign up people who already agree with us!
And the Hughes trip was strangely similar to the one we researched a lot, but didn’t put much of into the book — that of Roy Cohn with his boyfriend G. David Schine. They toured Europe (first class) during thte HUAC hearings, ostensibly to find out if American embassy libraries had any “communist literature” on their shelves. But the press really followed the trip, which was a fiasco, and it was the beginning of the end of McCarthy. Too bad Hughes didn’t get the same treatment.
Marc #89 –
Agreed. Organized versus apathetic and the uninformed.
Stephen #88 –
Gee… I wonder why. Probably because it was a total embarrassment.
Marc, 89
It’s almost as if the zombies are using 1984 as their playbook.
Ernest Becker in The Denial of Death sees belief as being almost innate and necessary. I guess it’s which ones you choose. I choose to believe I will still be a success in show business someday. Crazy. Where do I find this Jesus fellow?
Can I make a biblical point?
I’ve used in in arguments against dominionists.
The awarding of dominion over the Earth was made BEFORE the Fall and the expulsion from Eden.
After that, it was ‘ In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.’
So all that crap about Dominion was only true for the Garden of Eden, before we fucked up. Now it’s ‘you’re just a monkey like everybody else.’
Re Karen Hughes and the news coverage -
Since my main schtick is photocaptioning, there was plenty of material of her clutching bewildered Muslim children to her bosom in a show of universal maternal love
It doesn’t help that she bears such a striking resemblance to Patrick Swayze.
ck — #96
I heard about Young Democrats employment via DemocraticGAIN. A great site, by the way.
I hail from a family of lapsed Reconstructionist Jews. Can I interest you in a bacon cheeseburger?
Only if it’s a kosher bacon cheeseburger . . .
Stephen, Matt O.
I had a wise seminary friend who shared with me the sage advice that every member of the clergy needs to find some good pagan friends. “You don’t want to make friends with them to convert them - you need them to stay the hell away from your church.” He meant that such non-church friends can keep you grounded, keep you from being too insular, and keep you honest in your language and your claims.
The quote in FUBAR from that Rove aid around the SS thing is awesome. The Neo Con Death Cult are using Goebbels handbook as they’re guide and the Christo Fascist Zombie Brigade us 1984
Watertiger at 102 — agreed, most of the images from any coverage of her did show freaked out Muslim children trying to politely squirm away from the Sasquatch that had grabbed them. (And, omg, you made me spew tea with the Patrick Swayze reference. It is freakishly true…)
Christy - 95: yeah, it’s very cult-like. Any possible reason you might need to interact with the “secular world,” the megachurch will provide for you. It’s like a closed pond. Or a cult. They’re very good at it. And once your entire life revolves around the church, you can become untethered to what they call “secularism” quite easily.
OK, I hadn’t planned on picking up FUBAR but your opening description of the book has changed my mind (just placed an Amazon order).
Marc, what’s up with syndication? We keep waiting … (the new show is fantastic, btw, better than MS. But more Patton please)
Speaking of mass right-wing community…read about Cheney at the Pepsi 400…politically, it’s such a lay-up for them.
Fly in on AF2, drive motorcade around track, wave flag, leave. Gigantic exposure in a friendly setting, with very little effort.
The left doesn’t have that kind of venue anymore…
ck @ 104- popcorn shrimp on the side?
Stephen, do you address the impending downfall of Ralph Reed at all in the book?
Triskele #109
I two-day ordered it via Amazon back in March.