Rootz!

Leisure Guy!

Fitz!

Murtha!

Jane, Ned and Murtha!

Okay, I’m hung up waiting for hubby to finish meetings so we can head to the tall timber. And I’ve been listening to the “debate” on the NYT et al, and among all the other issues that are certainly weightier, I do have to ask:

ARE THERE NO DEM.O.CRATS. WHO CAN SPEAK IN ONE SYL.LA.BLE. WORDS?

Cut the highbrow high-falutin’ hyperbole, guys. Speak plain English! Tell those Rubber Stamp Republicans to GET REAL or GET OUT.

Am slogging my way through Hamdan — looks like I won’t get to a detailed analysis until tomorrow. Sorry gang — nap time was much later than usual today and I had to make a desperate run to the store for juice. Amazing how such a small girlie can drink that much orange juice and milk. *g* Anyway, thought everyone could use an update. Glenn has done a great read on the case, as have Scotusblog and Jeralyn for starters. I’ll have much to say as soon as I can get the time to write everything up. (Whew! The Momma business is more exhausting than the blogging business some days. She hung up on TRex this morning…he got to hear her in all her glory today. lol)

Good Luck Christy! Those younguns are a hand full at any age. I am the oldest of three so though I don’t have any…I feel like I have three some days.

the BEST part of life Christy. It goes way too fast so enjoy
from a mom of four who feels like her baby of 25 was just born. Have fun!

Seriously, for a sec.

Yep. Joe’s got troubles. No doubt. However, the upcoming debate should not be overlooked in importance. Joe is a skilled ‘prosecutor’. I would expect some Rovian trap is awaiting Ned, and will be sprung during the debate.

I hope Ned’s debate prep covers ALL the bases.

Just a word to the wise. THe debate that ’seals’ Ned’s victory has the potential to derail the campaign.

Do not misunderestimate this slimey adversary.

Just sayin’…

Christy 6, my cousin’s son is about your peanut’s age, and naps are increasingly a challenge with him too. You can look forward to more of the same, I suspect. :) But never fear, we understand (well, except maybe for T- ;) that your little one comes first. We’ll just sing “Anticipation” a few more times while we wait for your analysis.

I hope the peanut has not scarred our TRex for life — you never know what results the actions of “mean girls” might have!

*g*

She hung up on TRex this morning…

Sounds like some of the women I dated, or tried to, in college.

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of this type of “activity” between Congressperson/Senator of the same party – this is going to get good.

Christy– I can just picture your little one in all her glory hanging up on TRex– oh, if only we could all have the latitude of a youngun’ in our interactions! My mom always said to me, enjoy each moment of your life, (especially when I was a moody adolescent) it’s gone before you know it. What a smart lady my mom is.

First Senator Feingold pledges on MTP to support the winner of Connecticut’s Democratic primary, now Congressman Murtha deserts Rape Gurney Joe. Haven’t seen Murtha’s quote yet, just the C&L “scoop,” but these guys DON’T have to be saying this stuff.

It’s intentional, this thin wedge. Will more Democrats find the courage to speak out?

OT: Bob Ney’s top three staffmembers have all quit.

As Adie (I bleeve) pointed out last thread, bet YOUR momma can tell you all about imaginative, investigative, I’ll-do-it-my-way 3-year-olds, Ms. Christy . . .

Angie — she figured out what the hang-up botton does on the phone, and it’s her new favorite thing. Especially when Momma is on the phone and not paying attention to her. lol It’s one of those “high maintenance” girlie days here today. (Sorry, T-!)

Mwahaha Frank at 16 — couldn’t happen to a more deserving allegedly about-to-be-indicted Congressman.

Blank at 10
When is the debate?

Re #16, The Muck has not only the story but a photo of Ney’s beergut leading him off a train by, oh, a yard or so . . .

OT: I called the local office of MA-08 Rep Capuano; the issues director there knew rather little about the NYTimes debate today when I called this morning. Now she knows about FDL, and the Congressman’s signed on! Though it’s hard to make a strong claim that this was a direct result of ReddHedd’s post, it’s always good to recognize that there are good guys out there:

From: Foland
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: NY Times Resolution
Hi _______,
Thanks for taking the time to talk to me. Here’s a post containing links to a story in The Hill, to the proposal (apparently HR 895, and apparently offered by Oxley); to Barney Frank’s counter-proposal, and Pelosi’s statement:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/29…..the-truth/
It’s separate from Hayworth’s attempt to revoke press credentials. Hope this is useful to you.

From: __________
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:42 PM
To: Foland
Subject: RE: NY Times Resolution
It is H. Res 895 (a resolution that not have force of law) HR 895 is something else, about nuclear waste. It is good to have the marked up version and I will forward it to my colleagues in DC office, though they may have it already from Mr. Frank’s office. I’ll keep you posted and I am grateful for the link.
________

From: ___________
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:10 PM
To: Foland
Subject: RE: NY Times Resolution
Congressman has agreed to co-sponsor Mr. Frank’s resolution. They are good friends and very much on the same page about these issues.
Best,
________

(Preview isn’t working so my apologies if this does something horrible when it posts!)

Go John!
OT, sort of – Byrd on CSpan 2, delivering some righteous smack to BushCo.

Certainly more effective than stamping her little foot– smart little peanut, Christy! lol

Hey, Ms. lotus– I just have to say, not only do I appreciate your thoughts, your mind and your quick wit, but I also lovvvvvvvvve how you speak the most genteel language of the South!

I’m guessin’ that Murtha sees joe’s support for the war as the defining issue.
I’m more with Jane; I think Joe is wrong on a whole host of issues and is no longer a democrat. I was appalled when Gore chose him for a running mate.
Since I live in NY, I have attanded way too many events where Joe was the speaker and he is just a Repulican with a deomcrat registration card.

Murtha, once again is showing some real honest to gosh leadership.

Redd’s right, it is rare (and hard) for an incumbent to publicly break with an incumbent from his own party.

Murtha must be standing up to a truckload of pressure

TRex — don’t feel bad. I once had a woman turn me down four times . . . and I only asked her once!

The Bill Bennett Odds Room has opened and the bets are being taken for the Bob Ney political death watch.

Out by July 15th.

-GSD

I just remember three being a far more difficult age for my girls than two was – there is so much more transition to independence and lots of areas in which to assert it in ways that only three-year olds can. “Bad” days were almost always followed by “good” ones, which helped a lot.

And then there’s the thing I dubbed “mother’s revenge.” That’s the law by which you are always destined to have a child who presents the same challenges to you that you did to your own mother. It’s a lot different from the other side of the fence, and if you were a “challenging” child, you might want to brace yourself! My grandmother once told my father (her son) that military school might be a good option for me, after babysitting for me when my mom gave birth to my brother; I was three. Tells you something about me, and also tells you that my own girls put me through my paces – and it’s not over yet!

I loved those early years – so much growing, and the conversations were amazing. They are still amazing (girls are 23 and almost-20), and the fun just keeps on coming!

Golly, angie, you quite turn my hayid. I blush to heah it, but thank you.

Prof Foland shoots and

He scores!!!

The crowd goes wild

IIRC debate July 6. Could be the 8th.

Broadcast locally on Hartford NBC outlet – TV 30. Not sure about other possible ways to watch. I’ll double check.

Unless ’something comes up’ I’ll be watching.

Prof. Foland at 23 — Excellent work! Good for you! :)

Murtha must be standing up to a truckload of pressure

after Joe’s lead off stunt he’s got it comin’

BUT,

is this someone like Reid, doing the passive aggressive thing ? the beginning of the end for Joe ?

Oh, angie, I got so flustered I forgot to add: LIKEWISE TO YOU!

GSD,

I’m on the record here somewhere as to Ney being indicted by 7/15 and Delay EOM 7/06

lhp 31–As I said, hard to make much of a claim that he would have done any differently had I not called and pointed to RH’s post; Capuano’s a good guy and has probably been in on it from the beginning. Nonetheless a victory is a victory.

Bob Ney’s top three staffmembers have all quit.

To spend more time with their attorneys, no doubt . . .

Mm mm MMH — imagine having a congresscritter who claims close friendship to Barney Frank!

Yer a lucky one, Prof. Foland.

Having grown up in the south, lotus, I sincerely mean it… brings to mind Tennessee Williams, Harper Lee, William Faulkner. You have a true gift that I long tried to emulate in my writing.

“Murtha says Lieberman has to earn support”. So does Senator Clinton. Murtha is a giant. And as for Joe and Hillary? Well…
Murtha’s got grits. And beside that fact, he’s right. Democratic dream ticket in ‘08? Perhaps Gore-Murtha.

God bless you Redd. I just wanted to pop off and say….Thank you.Little’uns can be a handful,but it sounds like the peanut can be a real delight at times.Take a break and smell the roses for a spell. It will all be here when you get back.They don’t stay little for long.

Gawrsh, angie, too much! Where did you grow up?

Thanks Blank Kludge. I don’t live in CT but would love to watch it if at all possible. I agree, Ned better be ready. I wouldn’t be at all suprised by anything Joementum tries to pull.

please insert ‘have’ between ‘I’ and ‘long’ in that last bit by me-

sheesh. My profs are LOL right about now.

The only explanation I can come up with for Lieberman’s pro-GOP war stunt last week is that he’s trying to build credentials as a real GOP candidate in Connecticut. I think when he leaves the party he’ll be doing exactly what Harpy Coulter suggested—going all the way to the GOP.

He can’t win as a Democrat, and he won’t win as an independent. His only option is a desperate switching of sides completely, banking that he’ll get most of the republican votes and hoping to drag enough of his supporters with him.

It’s a crazy, doomed strategy. But misreading situations is what Lieberman does best.

Ole Virginny, lotus.

“But misreading situations is what Lieberman does best.”

Boy, if THAT didn’t nail his fanny, puppethead!

Kevin Drum on Hamdan:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..009099.php

The Supreme Court has now denied Bush’s authority to detain prisoners indefinitely and denied his authority to try them solely before military commissions. Marty Lederman comments further:

More importantly, the Court held that Common Article 3 of Geneva aplies as a matter of treaty obligation to the conflict against Al Qaeda. That is the HUGE part of today’s ruling. The commissions are the least of it. This basically resolves the debate about interrogation techniques, because Common Article 3 provides that detained persons “shall in all circumstances be treated humanely,” and that “[t]o this end,” certain specified acts “are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever” %u2014 including “cruel treatment and torture,” and “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” This standard, not limited to the restrictions of the due process clause, is much more restrictive than even the McCain Amendment. See my further discussion here.

This almost certainly means that the CIA’s interrogation regime is unlawful, and indeed, that many techniques the Administation has been using, such as waterboarding and hypothermia (and others) violate the War Crimes Act (because violations of Common Article 3 are deemed war crimes).

** doing front-page shout-out happy dance! **

Ah, the Ol’ Dominion . . . fosterer of many a great and gracious mind, angie — I might have known.

Now to run out that Allen riffraff and restore its traditional excellence.

Hey, Joe-nertia was once, I’m sorry to say, The Next Vice President of the U.S. (yeah, Gore’s biggest mistake). Being a DINO got him that far – why would he change? It no doubt confirmed for all time his sense of entitlement, which is (part of) why everything that’s happening now is so difficult for him to grasp.

Leslie in CA @ 1:35
HEY! I heard that.
My 3.5 year old quit napping a year ago.
My 1 year old just swore off the morning nap.
So, I have a bit of an idea of what our gracious host is going through today.

I just wanted to give Christy a little bit of a hard time, since no one but Fi was doing that today. ; )

Patience, Patience, Patience (pounding fists on table)

You know, Teddy, I am quite irate that neither Fletcher nor Ifill took my ? re the SCOTUS decision today– guess they, like W, hadn’t had the time to digest the fact that this insane admin could be stopped by 5 activist jurists.

Guess this whole Connecticut thing comes to a head in about a month- bout time.

that racist Allen riffraff is blowing grits on the floor of the Senate as we ’speak’…

Mwahahaha — apparently, the 7 pm CNN broadcast is going to have a clip of Condi Rice and her Russian counterpart sniping at each other on a microphone feed that neither knew was going out to reporters. Oh man, that could be amusing. They’ve had a long-term love/hate snipy relationship, anyway. Thought I’d give everyone a heads up in case it’s funny. *g*

Angie,

Is Grits a nickname for someone?

-GSD

“Elected Democrats do not have to say anything. Most use wishy-washy language to avoid giving any answer at all. That Feingold, and now Murtha, have been specific is notable.”

And noted. To any pols or staffers who might happen to read this, one of the major problems that the netroots has had with the D.C. insiders is that insiders have appeared to not particularly care — or even notice — when Lieberman has stabbed the party in the back. Merely demonstrating that you don’t approve of Joementum’s behavior goes a long way towards reassuring the roots that you aren’t out of touch.

“Mwahahaha %u2014 apparently, the 7 pm CNN broadcast is going to have a clip of Condi Rice”

And, Pakistan told Rice to F-OFF! LOL

Pakistan angrily reacts to Rice’s comments

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry responded angrily to a call by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for democratic elections next year, saying it doesn’t need “outside” advice.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..istan_rice

Christy @ 1:43 Especially when Momma is on the phone and not paying attention to her. lol It’s one of those “high maintenance” girlie days here today. (Sorry, T-!)
_________________________________

Hight maintenance girlie days are, thankfully, something I don’t know much about (two boys and cool wife). I’ll take your word and my medicine. Tomorrow will be fine or whenever you can get to it.

I felt the tectonic plates shift a little today and am looking forward to your seismic analysis.

Leslie in CA

“why would he change?” That is my question too. His “consultants”, $$$ or some principle?

My God. Legal scholar Kate O’Bierne is on Tweety lecturing on the fact that the Geneva Conditions do not apply to members of Al Qaeda. She says the Supreme Court is wrong on that.

Atrios has a brand new post with a brand new(?) Lamont ad.

T- at 52,

Sudden flashback to a British film, The Mind of Mr. Soames, that was on telly once. Guy’s in a coma since birth, finally wakes up, a middle-aged infant, and has to learn everything – including manners. Which leads to one scene where he’s banging his fist on a table, saying, “Dammit-I want it-please.”

I’m sure we all feel like that sometimes. ;)

T- at 61 — My preliminary read thus far is that the decision was very carefully crafted, and it drops the ball for responsibility for this whole mess right in the lap of Congress and the Bush Administration. But, as I said, it’s only been a preliminary read. Am hoping to do a more thorough one this evening and will try to get a full analysis up first thing in the morning.

Cozumel -

You think maybe they translated ‘democracy’ to ‘regime change’ and said, we’ve seen that movie already?

Surely COndi offered to sit down and discuss the elections with Musharef over a cup of coffee. [Condi pats his shoulder reassuringly and says: People gave up coffee while Sadaam was in power, but it’s ok to drink it now.]

OT – but I only found these recently. From frontline – they did a series on torture and have some interviews and analysis grouped under different headings at this link:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..re/themes/

If you scroll down towards the end, they have a heading you can click on for “What do we know about the Guantanamo Detainees” (may not be exactly that – but close) with a real A list of inverviewees.

neurophius 62, you have gotta be kidding me. And the question for Tweety: why do you have this incompetent flack on your show in the first place?

Christy:
We are patient lambs. Enjoy this time with your peanut – mine turned 29 yesterday.

What a great ad, JWR 63! All that positive energy, respect and mutual commitment — as opposed to . . . well, you know, whom and what it opposes.

Mary at 68 — that’s the same Frontline series that had the Cheney documentary a couple of weeks ago. They have been doing some serious work on these issues — and that torture documentary is worth a watch again, frankly.

Christy @ 2:18 pm
Awesome, thanks. They both need a few more headaches. And their incompetence should provide a few more laughs. I bet Roverturdmuncher will try to earn a gold star on this one though.
ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTAAAAACK!

Later on, then. I’ll be here.

Was just wondering … does Murtha have a guaranteed lock on reelection? I assume he does. Have his local poll numbers showed any effect from his recent comments and/or stands on issues?

But Good for him. The DCists always think we will not allow a ‘big tent’ policy. And I would guess I disagree with Murtha about many social policies, but a strong principled man who does not shoot at his own side is a man I will stand alongside anytime, anywhere.

Pending additional commentary from Kate O’Bierne’s Teeth, I’ve a question for any (ex-)JAG officers in the audience: when do the general courts-martial begin?

Having Ol’ 60 Grit, a de facto member of the Bush government, essentially argue that they don’t have to obey the Supreme Court is rather chilling.

Leslie in CA @ 2:17
That sounds like my 3 year old. Well, not the dammit part. At least he uses manners, and we still have time to work on the delivery.

Talk ‘atcha later. Goin’ for a run. Got the Peachtree to run on Tues.

GSD says: “Is Grits a nickname for someone?”
June 29th, 2006 at 2:12 pm

One possible answer:

GRITS = acronym standing for girls raised in the South

Barney Frank is on Cspan re NYT Resolution.

neurophius says:
June 29th, 2006 at 2:16 pm

My God. Legal scholar Kate O’Bierne is on Tweety lecturing on the fact that the Geneva Conditions do not apply to members of Al Qaeda. She says the Supreme Court is wrong on that.
______________

Right, that bitch knows more about the Constitution than the Supreme Court itself. I was reading the PDF file a little while ago. They tackled that issue head-on.

Oh’Burn, STFU.

P.S. and OT — I received a Time subscription last Christmas and usually I throw it away. But someone had mentioned Rove had an ‘article’ in it. And I was curious. Well, heck, the magazine was practically written totally by him. He name appears on almost every page and on the backpage editorial.

It was nothing but a republican propaganda pamphlete in spades. Wonder if I can cancel a gift. ummm

GSD @ 58– with the exception of Ol 60 Grit, not that I know of. Blowing grits in my reference was a perhaps lame description of his verbal vomit.

neurophius at 62.
thanks for looping back w/ me on the last post.
The gop will wear out Kate’s argument.
They will either win it in the court of public opinion or get congress to change the definition of enemy combatant to include the gitmo dudes.
That failing, they’ll attempt to change the tribunal rules to allow the gitmo dudes.
This thing will have a half-live similar to that of depleted uranium.

But for now…good day for democracy. Cheers.

Christy at 19 and earlier

Seriously,[based on anecdotal evidence only, but just as reliable as CNN’s unscientific polls, ’cause I feel it in my gut]:

I’m pretty convinced, from 1st-hand experience with our 2 cherubs (now grown, & beginning to worry about us, *lol*) plus watching other folks’ kids mature.

The smarter the kid, the less likely they are to have things ‘in balance’, while very young, between that killer-intellect & developing the ‘governor’ that eventually helps them to manage and focus all that high-powered smarts-overload. Every kid’s different in how this plays out.

That can make for a childhood chock-full of pronounced highs and lows, sometimes in combo, for kids and parents both. It’s often a long,intensely demanding path for parents of such children, trying to help them blossom into happy, caring, productive adults.

Yes, it’s well worth the trip! Enjoy your little girl, but pamper yourself whenever you can, puff puff.

3 pieces of advice that always made me smile:

1. In the best of situations, parenting never gets any better, nor any worse, just different.
(hint: enjoy those teen years, when they come, heh heh)

2. Our favorite grad. school ethology prof. often reminded us that “Homo sapiens is the most adaptable animal on earth, thank heaven.” Children can overcome pretty much any parenting goofs we make, as long as we love ‘em and let ‘em know that.

3. Paraphrased from Dr. Lendon (sp?) Smith, who came on tv regularly,years ago with a child-rearing advice segment.
You guys with your hyperactive &/or super-charged kids should ignore anyone who tells you to stop jumping up to check on your kid. If YOU think you have to, you probably do. There’s no telling what they’re into, especially with it just seems “too quiet”.
And no, it doesn’t work to just to tell them to go to their room, as a discipline tactic. Same reason as above.
Dr. Smith saved my sanity. . . mostly.

Okay Pach. flame me for practicing without a licence. But have you ever been a mother of a super-charged kid? ;->

Lotsa us GRITS here-’bouts, that’s a fact.

Christy: I’m going to have to watch more of it. I had no idea Frontline has so much stuff online too. The interviews seem very good (from last fall?- I’ve only skimmed the excerpts so far, not the full interviews) even though some of the reports summarizing info on the detainees was not out yet.

To make you feel better about your 3 yo, it could be worse. My brother almost shot me when he was 3 (I was about a yearish and my memory is a bit vauge *g*) My mom had someone who helped her once a week (also a Mary) and older Mary had been threatened and got herself a gun that she had in her purse. My brother found it, pointed my general direction (youngers sisters making very good targets), discovered the trigger – BOOM.

This could possibly be why I’m not big on guns, even today, but I can’t really say I remember it. Still – hanging up on TRex is a feat that can be topped. *g*

Well kiss my Grits.

OT. The absolutely cadaverous Ary-Ann Coulter was on the FAUX Snooze Kneel Cavuto show.

The usual–Democrats–traitors–Godless—ca ca bums–titter—snark–blah–fucking-blah.

It is interesting see her hollowing out as she delves deeper and deeper into a life bent on fomenting hatred and enmity. You can literally see her wasting away in front of your eyes.

Some lucky rightwinger better snap her up soon. She’s going on 45.

-GSD

OT-
Ney! Ney! They’re jumping ship!
Thanks, Josh…
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..008884.php

For the “Lieberman goes Independent” betting pool, I’d like to take July 8. Debate on the evening of the 6th, a day to find out that whatever rhetorical traps he prepared for Lamont were clever only in his own mind, and boom.

(I figure even someone as dense as Lieberman will recognize that the debate is his last chance to try to get Lamont to make a major mistake and turn things around.)

LORDY, Mary — are we proud of your bro’s bad aim!

Does anyone know whether the CT debate will be streamed?

Oy Ney. Abandon shemp.

-GSD

OT, but Hillary was apparently at the same conference as Obama.

If Dems have a faith they want to talk about as an authentic part of who they are and what their values are, fine and dandy – see Tim Kaine, Exhibit A. But if they’re doing it as a calculated “let’s appeal to the GOP base by being more like Republicans” strategy, then that’s another matter altogether.

GrandmaJ:
Wonder if I can cancel a gift. ummm

Sure you can. If you do, be sure to write them and tell them why. Their circulation levels matter to their advertisers, so a cancellation can have some effect, but only if you tell them what drove you away.

I don’t expect many more members of Congress, especially senators, to speak against Lieberman before the primary, and that’s fine with me. There is a longstanding code of behavior that they are loathe to challenge. However, they should have absolutely no fear of following Feingold’s lead. They should be able to state simply, “I will respect the decision made by the voters in CT.” It’s not personal. It is not a betrayal. It reflects faith in the primary system. Anyone who can’t make that simple statement (Schumer) is a coward and deeply anti-democratic (small d democratic).

Leslie at 93 — apparently the conference was organized by evangelicals who are sick of the right wing hijacking their faith. There’s nothing wrong with pols speaking at it (Dean was there, too); what was objectionable about Obama’s appearance was his echoing right-wing talking points about Democrats being anti-religion.

neurophius @ 2:16 pm (#63) – Well, three of the Supreme Court justices seem to agree with her, which is far more frightening. To his credit, according to a commenter at Glenn Greenwald’s site, Scalia’s issue was with whether the Supreme Court had jurisdicion.

I’ve read the documents that seem to apply, which is the Geneva Convention, Constitution, and War Crimes Act, and I have to say, as a non-lawyer, that this issue seems blindingly obvious. That it wasn’t 7-1 or 8-0 is just astonishing to me.

So, I suppose it’s not surprising that O’Beirn is vapor-locked over this one.

For anyone wondering about my arithmetic, I count Roberts as one of the dissenters, even though he didn’t actually vote. He ruled in favor of the Administration in a lower court.

See ya guys later! I’m heading home a bit early to get to our inaugural Alexandria Drinking Liberally!

CNN: Mubarak tells Egyptian newspaper that Hamas has conditionally agreed to release the hostage soldier — no word from Israel yet.

Mary @ 2:32 pm (#86) – Never had that happen to me, but it’s one of the reasons I’m not fond of having guns in the house, either. Like lotus, I’m glad your brother’s aim was bad.

I got an email from the DSCC this morning, signed by Edwards asking for support ($). I replied and thanked him for his leadership, told him I respected his views, asked him to take a read of mine for just a minute.

Stated, as I did to Al Gore earlier in the week, that my money was reserved this year for candidates, like Ned Lamont, who pledged to support the winner of their primary. Asked Edwards to prevail upon Schumer to so state. Said I was disturbed that Schumer seemed to indicate that DSCC money might go to support an independent bid against Lamont. Ended my email with: “No sore loser independent candidacies!”

I wonder if the DSCC staff will forward such a response to either Edwards or Gore….

When I got distracted by CNN, I was just about to yay-rah Leslie 92 and Eileen 94.

Katie hearts McCain– o’ for &$%@!’s sake.

Christy,

you’ve got mail

Have you seen NED LAMONT’s newest ad?
http://nedlamont.com/blog/451/ned-ad-students

and this from Monday:
https://secure.nedlamont.com/page/contribute/newcommercial

Pretty perfect, eh, AP 105?

Cujo and lotus – Amazing in a way that his aim was bad. He was, from a very young age, a big time jock with very good coordination (All State HS offense & defense football, although not a big guy, All star basketball in HS, lots of all star baseball and played in minors – in American Legion ball beat Donnie Mattingly for MVP one year) and used to do things like back a truck into a teeeeeeeny parking spot with the accelerator floored and stop “just” perfect. He got mad in kindergarten/1st grade and ran out and climbed some huge oak tree – firemen were called and couldn’t get him down with their truck even. My poor mom.

I’m just lucky he didn’t get a second shot. *g*

Mary,

Dave Kelley like to say “you gotta believe things happen for a reason”

Maybe your brother shooting at you, and the missing (thank goddess) happened for a reason. Or even a bunch of reasons you have yet to discover.

I cannot tell you how much I would have missed out on here at the lake, but for you (but I think the “reasons” are a heck of a lot bigger than that)

GSD @ 2:32 pm (#87) – Someone once observed that anyone who lives with that much hate inside must eventually turn into a hollow human being. Whoever it was certainly had a point.

Redshift at 93, agreed that there’s nothing wrong with pols speaking to religious groups and gatherings. My concern is the tendency, and this ties in w/the criticism of Obama, for Dems to think they have to mimic conservative religiosity, or religiosity as a “conservative” value per se. Not saying Hillary was necessarily doing either of those things, just making a general comment.

Watching Hardball and wondering: did O’Beirne take make-up lessons from Matalin during the Libby din-din? Maybe they went to the bathroom together to chat and plot and make up their harpy faces.

We are so lucky that Mary’s brother missed.

Mary. Mary. I wish I knew the HTML for depicting a spiralling-to-the-floor to show the case of the vapors you just gave me with that history.

What lhp said.

Atrios:

http://atrios.blogspot.com/200…..3823087454

…the Cook Report says Lieberman has “vowed to run as an independent.” That’s quite the scoop, if true.

Mary, at least your brother was only 3! Add me to the list of people grateful that he missed. (One of my brothers saved me from drowning when I was 5 – a few years later, he was the one holding me upside down and underwater in the public pool.)

Don Mattingly
Gold Glove – ‘85-’89, ‘91-’94
American League MVP – 1985
Batting Champion – 1984
Hits Leader – 1984, 1986
RBI Leader – 1985
Don is currently Joe Torre’s hitting coach for the Yankees.

T- says:
June 29th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
neurophius at 62.
thanks for looping back w/ me on the last post.
The gop will wear out Kate’s argument.
They will either win it in the court of public opinion or get congress to change the definition of enemy combatant to include the gitmo dudes.
That failing, they’ll attempt to change the tribunal rules to allow the gitmo dudes.
This thing will have a half-live similar to that of depleted uranium.
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I’m still having trouble imagining Congress going along with any of this. Nobody’s mentioned how this Supreme Court decision is playing internationally, but I suspect that it’s going to increase pressure on the US to close the place down. The SCOTUS just said Bush was violating the Geneva Conventions. That’s quite a statement. They’re saying we’re in violation of a treaty agreement. Even our allies are not going to be happy. I just don’t see Congress making it worse by formally breaking a treaty.

Frank Probst, you have more faith in this Do-Nothing Rubber Stamp Republican Congress than I do!

TeddySanFran says
June 29th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Frank Probst, you have more faith in this Do-Nothing Rubber Stamp Republican Congress than I do!
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I have faith in their cowardice.

John Murtha is neither a liberal nor a conservative. He is a patriot. Where are the rest of them?

“The SCOTUS just said Bush was violating the Geneva Conventions. That’s quite a statement.”

Yeah. They start addressing that right on page 6 in the syllabus, (d) “The procedures adopted to try Hamdan also violate the Geneva Conventions…”

and then go on at length to explicate exactly why they determine so.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/…..05-184.pdf

Kate Oh’Burn can stick it up her ‘face.’

T- at 2:31 p.m.

“The gop will wear out Kate’s argument.”

Right. Obviously, Kate received her RNC talking points. It will be interesting to see how many other recipients of GOP talking points take the same position before it gets demolished by people who have read the opinion or who have read the Geneva Conventions.

I don’t know why the Repugs don’t just trot out Frist and Hastert to say the Congress will be more than happy to change the law to read the way Bush wants it. Maybe they already have and I just haven’t seen it yet.

I’m w/TSF:

Given the ‘who could have imagined’ that we’d (the US gov’t in the shape of W and RSRC/DNRC_ volutarilty shred much of the Constitution (4th Amend, etc) and othewise mismanage and mangle the rule of law, and other various atrocities…I’ll believe they’ll do nothing with respect to withdrawing/redefining Geneva, etc when I see it (not done).

Do not assume anything is off the table. Assume the worst. Sad, but true, ihmo.

Bush said he would abide by the SCOUTS decision.

Lou Dobbs: “Why would he find it necessary to say this?”

“No one could have anticipated the Supreme Court would deny President Bush the tools he needs to protect Americans from terror.”

I notice a definite silence on the matter from Deadeye……

Cozumel @ 124

Bush said he would abide by the SCOUTS decision.

Lou Dobbs: “Why would he find it necessary to say this?”

There’s no singing statement for getting bitch-slapped by the Supremes.

Punaise, Talk to the hand moment?

Once the opinions are sorted out – we need some very direct, simple responses to repeat over and over to address the GOP wurlitzer on these points.

Leslie – that sounds like all 3 of my brothers.

John C – to this day I stand by my opinion that DJ (my brother) was a better player. I’d say that even if I wasn’t in such a good mood today.

Feingold/Murtha 08!

Stop! In the name of law…..

newtonusr,

I love watching Dobbs and Cafferty. Those guys are NOT happy with Bush. Probably voted for him too.

Deadeye is now planning a five star retreat err.. think tank for old gas bags on some soon to be vacant coastal land in Cuba.

Mary (86), Your story gave me the shivers. Thank God your brother didn’t turn you into a horrifying statistic. I thought my older brother was bad, but he was a dream compared to yours.

Lotus (103), Thanks!

Andrew Cohen’s got some snarky cocktail party talking points up about the Hamdan decision at WaPoO:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com……html#more

Lott: Supreme Court Decision Is ‘Ridiculous and Outrageous,’ Has Our Enemies ‘Laughing At Us’

Then he admitted he hadn’t read it.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..eme-court/

Yep,
We need to start a draft of the Talking Points. This is a perfect opprotunity to try out a virtual, free form, think tank approach.

The Scotus decision is perfect for this.

Anyone watching Cspan? It is getting quite heated.

“Once the opinions are sorted out – we need some very direct, simple responses to repeat over and over to address the GOP wurlitzer on these points.”
——
Whoever wrote this has a good point…

(…”‘Cause, Mary, it’s you.
badahbadahbadah…”)
paraphrase a song; can’t recall the artiste. Dang.

Just a nudge to add to others about your brilliant adhoc contributions. A ‘Mary Special’ on the FDL menu would be something to behold.

Now, I’ll stop.

By the By

Have we heard from Jane and the Poodles again today? have they made it safely through Penn. and NJ?

She is right in the middle of the flood zone.

Do we know if she/they are OK?

yep on CSPAN

The Frank resolution (non binding)

Someone lit a fire under their asses. I hope it keeps burning.

Pg 70 -”…The procedures adopted to try Hamdan also violate theGeneva Conventions. The Court of Appeals dismissed Hamdan’s Geneva Convention challenge on three independent grounds: (1) the Geneva Conventions are not judicially enforceable; (2) Hamdan in any event is not entitled to their protections; and (3) even if he is entitled to their protections, Councilman abstention is appropriate…for the reasons that follow, we hold that neither of the other grounds the Court of Appeals gave for its decision is persuasive…

and then they go on to explain in detail just why.

weeder – I love it !! Go Barney

When Deadeye is silent, the Dark Side is active.

Here’s an idea:

“We learned from the Supreme Court today that the President has to follow the law. That shouldn’t come as a surprise, but it should be a wake-up call for the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress and their White House allies.”

Frank Probst 3:03 p.m.

I didn’t listen to much of NPR today, but I did hear their on-the-half-hour headlines. They said unequivocably that the Supreme Court ruled that Bush had violated both the Geneva Conventions and U.S. law. That was encouraging to hear. I hope it didn’t get watered down in extended coverage.

Oh, I’ve been waiting to get to say this:

Eureka!

(& swimdeep, too)

I can’t listen and write at the same time, so that’s all I’ve got.
*g*

The HELLLLLLL with rethugs. Go Barney!

@ weeder

They said unequivocably that the Supreme Court ruled that Bush had violated both the Geneva Conventions and U.S. law.

Can we impeach this crew now?

Blank Kluge

I expect that Darth Cheny is having a major meltdown using naughty words with gusto, working the phones and doing heaven only knows what to those guys in Gitmo.

They are all probably on there way to black hole prisons by know. Rendition dontcha know.

Coz, nice catch at 3:11.
Mary, I didn’t have any sisters growing up, so based on your appraisal of DJ’s baseball talent, I’m adopting you.

BobbyG at 3:27 p.m.

You are correct. The court did not leave any question on that point.

Apparently the truth does not enter into the Republicans’ calculus when drafting their talking points.

Pg 80 -

“We have assumed, as we must, that the allegations made in the Government’s charge against Hamdan are true. We have assumed, moreover, the truth of the message implicit in that charge-viz., that Hamdan is a dangerous individual whose beliefs, if acted upon, would cause great harm and even death to innocent civilians, and who would act upon those beliefs if given the opportunity. It bears emphasizing that Hamdan does not challenge, and we do not today address, the Government’s power to detain him for the duration of active hostilities in order to prevent such harm. But in undertaking to try Hamdan and subject him to criminal punishment, the Executive is bound to comply with the Rule of Law that prevails in this jurisdiction.The judgment of the Court of Appeals is reversed, and the case is remanded for further proceedings.”
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“for the duration of active hostilities” – well, uhhhh…forever?

Not sure how to interprete that. Bush can detain Hamdan et al indefinitely without charge, as long as he otherwise complies with Geneva?

“I mourn for democracy Mr. Speaker”

-Barney Frank (one minute ago)

lhp -

Yeah. “I got yer Gitmo closing RIGHT HERE! Go F yo self!” (quoting Darthness; ‘allegedly’.)

BobbyG

“Not sure how to interprete that. Bush can detain Hamdan et al indefinitely without charge, as long as he otherwise complies with Geneva?”

Bobby, don’t think the Supreme Court addressed the issue in this decision. I don’t know where they stand in terms of their previous decisions that have dealt with that issue, but all it means in this case is ” we do not today address, the Government’s power to detain him for the duration of active hostilities.” In other words, it was not necessary for them to address that in order to decide this case.

There once was a witch named Ol’Grit
Who spewed all of her lies like a twit.
She twitched and she snarled
Like her boss unka Karl
Come 06 they’ll be back in their pit.

Brother John it is. :)

Lou Dobbs: “Why would he find it necessary to say this?”

ROFL – then getting up off the floor and doing it again.

Blank K, commando talking points, full of diphthongs, to go with the briefs and boxers. *g*

Mary -

After that near miss incident, didja recite the biblical passage Samuel L. Jackson quotes so ‘righteously’ in ‘Pulp Fiction’?

I’d definitely put it in my quiver for future reference.

All snark aside; I concur with all previous opinions. Glad you made it.

Blank Kluge – It’s the Shirelles and it’s shalalalalalalala.

Mary -
Nice turn of phrase there. You gots the ‘write stuff’!

…and I can’t spell Kludge

that’s what mommybrains are for. Us kids lose EVERYTHING.

thanks.

Mommybrain at 161, and the Beatles did a cover version as well, so I’ve got John singing it in my head.

me niether. ;->

neurophius -

Yeah. I know NPR commentators were all over that ambiguity earlier today. “active hostilities” Jeesh, that’s a phrase applicable to convention warfare where one side sues for peace, but we’re gonna be facing even low-grade random “active hostilities” for a LONG time.

But, yeah, you’re right, that’s I guess another issue in another case to be dealt with down the line. Meanwhile, Bush will just continue to drag his his feet.

Regardez lhp’s 137, tout le monde!

I gotta fix some supper now, but I’ll be thinking . . .

The Hamdan/Hamdi decision is evidence that there is karma in the world. Were it not for Robert’s ruling against him in the lower appellate court, the Hamdan decision today may have gone the other way. Still 5-4 with Kennedy on most issues, but one has to wonder whether he would not have sided with Roberts on some other key issues.

Mary at 129, I also have 3.

mommybrain keeps me clean! She made me soap!

Postponed? Had to let the dog out and not sure what happened at the end.

OT There is a must read by Matt Stoller at MYDD detailing what happened during the 11-11 vote on net neutrality. (per Kos.) I’d excerpt, but it’s better to read it straight through. http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/6/29/13346/5943

And Mary, I too am happy your brother missed. What a story!

Soap what, Pach?

Timing of this info release this afternoon merely coincidental…
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ATLANTA (AP) – One of seven men accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower has admitted swearing allegiance to al-Qaida and told investigators he and the others planned to bomb five FBI buildings, a prosecutor said Thursday.

Lyglenson Lemorin, a Haitian national, also admitted to attending military training in Miami and other parts of Florida to carry out the mission, Assistant U.S. Attorney Richard Getchell said during Lemorin’s hearing before a U.S. magistrate…

Hi Pach, did you try it? I can’t lye to you, I love to give my soap away.

I washed out my mouth. No more fucking swearing.

Yeah, Mommy, I been usin’ it.

…or soft-soaping issues?

whitewashing scandals?

a few years ago my Congresslady sent a bottle of aspirin with a child-proof cap to each of her colleagues with a note attached, reminding them if they can mandate childproof caps on aspirin bottles, why not mandate childproof trigger locks for guns?

Blank: Nah. I was in full rabid lamb mode yesterday. Much pearl clutching about my tone.

I need to head out now: we have a new DL here in my neighborhood and I’m gonna go meet the locals.

Mommybrain — I can’t resist — what kind of soap do you make?

You on the DL now, Pach?

It comes with a soapbox…

BobbyG -

oooohhh. Alert status: RED or whatever the real high is…

I don’t believe a woid o’dat. But it’s not me they want to believe it. BASE ball.

b fwaid. vewwy fwaid.

New Thread from Jane! http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..new-haven/

Curious – continuing a family tradition, I make lye soap with olive, coc0nut and palm oils. My great-grandmother used to make it in her basement and let me cut it into bars. I used to sell at farmers markets, craft fairs and local stores but since mommybrainhood I mostly give it away. It’s my thing to share.

Deep inside the Oval Romper Room:
It’s Hamdi Dowdy Time
http://images.google.com/images?q=Howdy Doody&hl=en&hs=n34&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title
Today Scotus took baby Georgie poo out to the wood shed for a little play fair ala hickory. The Drapes were open for all of the world to see. Georgie is now in his oval room (no corners to stand in) whimpering to Deadeye and Karl.
Don’t worry lil Georgie we will haze the meanies who laugh at us. If they think they won well, we will just buy a new secret game with some taxpayer money. There there it’s going to be just fine, we can still make detainees suffer at our will, we don’t have to let them go. Now go play in the situation room. Tonight is hot dog night. Put down the Scotch!! Laura!!

Mommybrain, where do you get your lye? I’ve been trying to find it up here in New England, and apparently it’s been pulled from the shelves because of methamphetamine stuff.

“Very basic and simple talking points” fodder:

The President thinks he’s above the law. Today, the SC told him he isn’t.

The President thinks the rules don’t apply to him. Today, the SC told him they do.

The President has forgotten he’s the President – he thinks he’s a dictator. Today, the SC told him he’s not.

The President is a lawbreaker. Breaking the law doesn’t make us safer.

(Those of you who can say all this so much better, please do.)

Mommybrain at 187 — oooh, that sounds lovely. One of these days, I want to learn to make crafty things like this. My sole domestic gift is cooking.

GrandmaJ @ 81. Didn’t you just GAG? The last statement Rove got to make was about CHARACTER. (Sorry, I’m not paranoid, but I haven’t figured out how to italicize on the blogs yet.) My subscription was free, but I’m writing to refuse it and will tell them why. They made him out to be a statesman instead of the crook and liar that he is.

Just popping in to say “hey y’all.” Time to put the kiddies down and go back to work.

Glenn’s take on SCOTUS is heartening, although Atrios and Digby don’t quite share his enthusiasm. And Trent Lott can kiss my white ass.

new thread

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..new-haven/