Team Libby has requested that the trial date be moved from January 8, 2007, to February 12, 2007, due to a scheduling conflict for lawyer Ted Wells. (Wells is trying a large securities fraud case in California that looks like it may stretch to twelve weeks or longer, which would extend into the trial time for Irving’s scheduled date.) Nothing odd about this — happens all the time in court dockets — but it was worth a mention because there are other motions deadlines coming up that have had extension requests as well.
There is also an unopposed request for extensions on the filing deadlines regarding Team Libby’s motions on morning briefing information from the government. Libby is now asking that his motions be filed no later than July 11, and that Fitzgerald and his team file response briefs no later than July 31st, with Libby’s response to this government filing due then to the court no later than August 9th. The hearing on these motions and briefs would remain at the August 16th date which is now set.
The trial schedule motion may be revisited after an August 31st, 2006, scheduling and pretrial conference in Ted Wells’ California case, should there be any changes to the trial schedule or status of that matter.
As I said, this is fairly standard in terms of legal procedure in cases which are going to take longer than a couple of days for trial. You do not want to have a date certain and then have to interrupt proceedings for some other matter — it is unfair to juries in both matters to do so. There are procedures set up for Federal and State court docketing as to which trials and scheduling matters take precedence — prior scheduled jury trials generally being at the top of the list — and Judge Walton will review this motion, his schedule and that of the California case before making a decision. Because the government does not oppose the motions, it is likely that both will be granted — but ultimately any scheduling and deadline decisions are up to the presiding judge.
(Huge thank you to Jeralyn for sending along PDFs of the documents.)
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I will link up documents as soon as someone has them posted.
started reading the Hamdan decision and got all teared up…
I’m just gonna read it nice and slowly so as to savor it.
Christy got my zero….
Faster, Fitz, faster !
OT: just read on truthout…They lost Hamdan seems like mostly because Roberts had to obstain.
Very happy about this.
Oh and FDL!
rootz!
(gotta get to work NOW)
Great photo. When I was a teenager that cover and the No Secrets cover were a subject of much admiration and attention.
Anticipation…….
Sorry gang — I’ve been trying to get to Hamdan all morning, but someone is not cooperating with a nap. And it requires some thorough and quiet reading time. Promise to get to it as soon as I can…
can a President pardon someone who is on trial but has not yet been convicted? can libby’s legal team find ways to keep postponing this trial until bush is almost out of office and ready to give Irving a full presidential pardon?
damn! another month for us rabid lambs to drip venom … drink plenty of liquids so we don’t dehydrate ! oh, oh, oh — isnt rabies also called hydrophobia because its sufferers also wont drink water? at this rate, we are going to be coughing venomous dust !
knotIookin:
Yes and no.
{{{{{{{ Carly Simon }}}}}
Love that gal.
I know…let’s let Libby go before the tribunals that are out of work becuase of the Hamdan decision. Oh, and he can wait at Gitmo until the trial, too. And Ted doesn’t need to worry about a conflict with the rest of his schedule, since he won’t be able to consult with Irvin anyway. And let’s not even tell him if or when he’ll actually get a trial.
One more thing: the money raised by Mary Carville for his “Legal Defense Fund”? To the Gitmo detainees for some real lawyering up.
What’s not fair about that?
Rep Candice Miller need s a new ‘do NOW..
Candice Miller looks and talks like Cheney’s sister.
Anyone have tweezers?
No more fucking delays!
Excuse my language…
I’ve had enough of their bullshit…
Bay State Librul
jayackroyd,
Never seen the pic before; I imagine it fueled a fantasy or two in its day. *g*
Check out Alcee’s rainbow tie– he looks sharp.
Alcee Hastings has a cool tie …
There is also an unopposed request for extensions on the filing deadlines regarding Team Libby’s motions on morning briefing information from the government. Libby is now asking that his motions be filed no later than July 11, and that Fitzgerald and his team file response briefs no later than July 31st, with Libby’s response to this government filing due then to the court no later than August 9th.
I know Redd is busy,so maybe someone can answer this for me. Why does Libby have to ask that his motione be filed NO LATER than July 11?
Is there some reason they can’t be filed earlier?Makes no sense to the dense one here.Or, Why no later than,What happens after July 11?
OT – the Hamdan case…reaffirmation of Geneva protocols and rejection of DOJ’s claims of expansion of exectutive powers due to AUMF. This seems to contain much that will hit back at the Bush Admin’s numerous expansions of powers claims and looks like a push-back from Supremes as well who don’t want to be obsolete, quaint, and powerless themselves. Wonder if the right-wingers saw this coming, quite like this. Very powerful stuff, it seems.
Agree, nice tie
preach it, Alcee!
I’d rather he be found guilty on my birthday, but it they want to start the trial on that day, well, OK…
the usual Email template for the House is Firstname.Lastname@mail.house.gov
I just sent Mr. Hastings a sartorial note …
Busted, that’s just a customary Legalese “form of words” asking to push back the deadline for their motions. (And yes, they could still file ‘em earlier than the eleventh — but prolly won’t, if Judge Walton grants this motion.)
I don’t believe what I hear on Fox news, but I will defend their right to say it with my life– Alcee
Here comes Captain Hoekstra.
knotIookin #9
Art.2, Sec. 2:
[The President] shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
IOW the President can pardon what he wants when he wants if it is a question of a federal offense and it is not part of an impeachment case. This is why Ford pardoned Nixon. Nixon had resigned so impeachment was no longer an issue but the threat of criminal prosecution remained and this is what the pardon addressed.
BARNEY up!
EPU’d from last thread, TeddySanFran at 190:
We need to dare W to try the Times for treason…Seriously, let’s get them into court. Right now. The sooner the better.
I couldn’t more seriously agree!!!
Folks need to understand that Cheney, his pet monkey Junior, and their wingnut minions (like Rep. King of NY) are NOT serious about bringing charges against the NYT!
That is the very last thing they want to do since they’d be turning over that very rock they’ve all been hiding under!
This is all just Rovian “hot air” meant to warm up the cold hearts of the wingnut militias and get them down out of the trees to storm the polling places in November.
Remember, with Republicans, when you see their lips move, they’re lying!
Bustedknuckles at 21, I think they could be filed earlier; the “no later than” is just a deadline to keep things moving, so that the defense can’t stall proceedings by delaying indefinitely when it files things. Does that help?
sing along with the shorter Libby: “Ours Oh Vain”
where ours is the French word for “bear”, pronounced ooh-erce
Hugh @ 29 beat me to this. The president can pardon someone who has not been convicted of a crime or who has not yet come to trial or who has not yet been accused of a crime. Ford pardoned Nixon, and I think this was the wording was, for “all crimes he may have committed.”
Regardless of whether the Democrats take back the House, as long as the president can count on thirty-four senators to support him at an impeachment trial there is not going to be a Libby trial. The entire investigation will be shut down, I’m guessing, on December 24, 2006.
“You probably think this trial is about you, don’t you, don’t you . . .”
Not sure why Carly Simon is up there but thanks. Ahh the minutes I spent admiring her album covers
HAW! Barney points out that the resolution refers to the WASHINGTON Times, not the NYT, re busting a big confidence!
“clouds in my *cough* hee, clouds in my *cough* hee”
My non-lawyer take on Hamden was that the SCOTUS said that they’re POWs, not “enemy combatants”. What do the lawyers think?
You know what? I don’t really have that much of a problem with the postponement (aside from the anticipartion being drawn out finer in shriller).
It moves hte case furthe away from the Christmas holidays (thereby allowing our team of devoted civil servants to actuall spend Christmas in their homes, with their families–When I ws a proscuteor I worked every Christmas Eve, every Newsyears day and at least on New Years eve past 11 pm–the Times Square ball dropped while I was on the E train going home)
So, I’m glad for the relatives of the folks onTeam Fitz. Who knows, maybe the big guy will even make it home to Brooklyn to see his own family.
Second, it moves the trial away from the holidays and into a natural news deadzone (absent some unscheduled event occuring) where the press will be freed up from reporting snowman and Santa stories, to give it proper coverage.
I also like how close it will be to President’s Day and the implications for stories comparing and contrasting the behavior of Bush/Cheny the frat boys who would be king with the selflessness of, oh let’s say
OT Hamdan case: When I saw the result, I was depressed. A 5-3(4) result for an obvious violation of human rights, international law, and separation of powers is very disturbing. John Paul Stevens is now 86(?); when he dies or retires, we are really screwed. I am even more pissed at the Democrat pieces of crap who voted for cloture.
Steve
“Mubarak and Peron and Hugo Chavez would be proud of your resolution!” — Barney Frank
punaise– ROFL! good one.
It’s becoming pretty clear that the CIA leak case will not give dems a boost in November- and neither will the GW Clusterfuck illegal spying.
Best chance for the dems is the economy. NYT is reporting that mortgage rates are up this week again and that home sales will decrease by at least 7% this year.
We are teetering on the edge of a decline in housing values. Sellers haven’t totally bought it yet- and their stubborness is all that’s keeping prices from diving 10% or so. Those who have been trying to sell for six months or more will either pull out of the market or make large declines in price- and the game will be on.
The effect could be devastating- a 10% decline in housing values equals the sudden evaporation of wealth- and home equity loans have been a driving force in the economy recently- along with capital gains from the red hot housing market.
When it goes- there will be many ripple effects- construction will slump- as will all the real estate related industries- title companies, mortgage companies, escrow companies-etc.
Gonna be a bumpy ride.
Fed to announce their take on rates later today.
Bustedknuckles at 21
the “no later than” laguage means that is the deadline for him to file. he can always file earlier.
Leslie in CA
Did I mention No Secrets?
Leslie in CA #35
Good one. I should have seen it coming. LOL.
OT-the SCOTUS decision
I have to get back to work, but I have to say that it’s a pleasure to know that Roberts had to sit on the sidelines and watch as The Robert’s Court made a ruling that overturned a Robert’s ruling.
I hope the repercussions run deep.
Klyde 36 – “Anticipation” – the album name.
Justice will ketchup to Libby.
Looseheaddrop @ 40.
Time is of the essence…
Any delay helps the Bush admin…
Jack
no “heinz”site necessary
Any Delay will always help the bush admin.
I will have to keep my pitbull “Hugo” away from Mr. Frank the next time he comes to this district …
Carly Simon trivia: Carly is an heir of the publishing family that founded Simon & Schuster, and (I think) she is a cousin of Scott Simon of NPR. No relation to Simple Simon so far as I know.
So, who was the “you” in You’re So Vain?
Here are some possibilities: Was it Mick Jagger? Cat Stevens? Warren Beatty? Kris Kristofferson? It was common knowledge that she had been involved with each of them in the past. Not JT most likely because they just go hitched when she wrote the song.
My money is on Mick: “You think this song is about you.”
Deborah @ 47 oh me too. Shows how unqualified he really is. His own very recent ruling…OVERRULED! It is a sign of his rightwingness and totally outoftouchedness.
I don’t ever want to have a RightWingRubberStamp Supreme Court. Strikes fear.
my $ is on Mick
Hey
My #40 got cut in half!
It was comapring Bush, who would like to be king, with Washington, who refused to be king.
waahapponed?
Feeney (my Rep, alas) up — total idjit saying ZERO that does anything for anybody.
ojs: I always heard it was James Taylor
Frank Probst says
June 29th, 2006 at 10:52 am
My non-lawyer take on Hamden was that the SCOTUS said that they’re POWs, not “enemy combatants”. What do the lawyers think?
_____
It’s interesting how the “enemy combatants” phrase has devolved since 9/11. If they’re fighting you they’re an “enemy” doing “combatant” stuff,” duh. The original BushCo newly coined legal term/phrase of art was “unlawful enemy combatants,” though, implying that there existed a way for “enemy combatants” to be “lawful” (and accorded the purview of Geneva). The Bushies regard “unlawful enemy combatants” as beyond the scope and protection of Geneva etc (and law in general).
They have now been bitch-slapped down on that assertion, I would think. Yeah, they’re POWs, period (I’m not a lawyer).
*ilson46201@53
You have a dog named Hugo?
Oour border collie is the only canine Hugo I ever previously encountered.
Jack Walsh at 49
“time is of hte essence”
Oh, I was plenty steamed when Walton put the trial date into 2007. I ranted and vented for a couple days.
But, this one itsy little month, doesn’t change the equation much in Bush’s favor, but does have a lot of upside potential for the good guys.
Thank you punaise
RE: Candice Miller – Not only does she look like a Cheney, she sounds like a Cheney. Pure Republican talking points without an original thought in her head puppet…with Cheney as the puppeteer.
Just dreadful flooding pix (NY, PA) all over CNN today. I’m so sorry, all of you affected.
Thanks all for the info.Legaleze makes my head hurt.Talking sideways.
#54 and #59 – I always heard it was Mick Jagger. Does the date of the song and the date of her association with James Taylor coincide?
My pitbull Hugo has a little brother named Evo…
The in-laws had to flee the Harrisburg area and go up northwest to the cabin. I hope the flooding stops soon. NO MORE RAIN. I’ll be doing my no-more-rain-dance until further notice.
What are all those pups up to today, *ilson? Still giving Hugo and Evo fits?
Who gives a shit about Ted Wells’s scheduling
problems… Libby is on trial… not Wells…
I would like the info on the Wilson smear now,
not later… Put in the second team, until Wells arrives…
Sorry… after the Rove escapade, I’m annoyed.
Jack
1,189 DAYS AND THE KILLIN’ GOES ON AND ON AND…
Mad Dogs and TeedySanFran:
We must get ‘em into court and on the front pages and prime time but because it is the only way to exascerbate the split in the ruling class that has begun to fissure in the last 18 months. Suffice it to say that the “old fascist families” who go back to “the America First” folks that traded currency and commodities with the Nazis have united with the “new cowboy” oil money now are in a direct confrontation with the old Northeastern bankin’ interests who eventually jetesoned Nixon and these same “cowboys” before they brought the whole corrupt game down in Watergate.
The only way to force this battle of dinosauers to attrition is to make it public, force the banking interests who are teeterin’ on 12th floor ledges these last 18 months to support the corporate media interests in takin down the Bush/Scaif crime families. The elected Democrats in both houses of congress could force the issue by hangin’ impeachable offences around the administrations neck and tatooin’ the war right to the forhead of every Republican in Congress (but don’t hold yer breath fer that until Schumer and Emmanuel get their orders from their corporate and bankin’ basses).
The only way we win this November and then again in ‘08 is to force this split in the oligarcy out into the open…no matter who wins, the loser is toast and the winner is too weak to control a one-car junkyard.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET ‘EM UP, REMEMBER THAT THE GENEVA CONVENTION DOESN’T APPLY TO REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS!!!
RH–
If you post on Hamdan, could you possibly comment on the following? As I understand it, the ruling pretty clearly eliminates the possibility of sneaking any torture by the Geneva Conventions. Does this mean that torture performed before this morning constituted a clear violation of US law? Or instead does it mean that as long as there’s no more after today, torturers are legally safe?
I know there’s the ex post facto rule, but in my IANAL thinking it seems the laws were all on the books for a long time; all that happened today is that the SCOTUS rejected the idea that the laws’ plain meanings were not operative.
where else but FDL could 30 year old pop music gossip cohabit with erudite Supreme Court analysis?
Looseheaddrop @ 60.
Yeah. You are probably right. I just got back
from a five mile run, had a few brewskis with
my Republican neighbor… and the delay got
my Irish up…
I’m thrilled with the Supremos though, if we had lost that one, I was ready for Canada..
Jack
“all that happened today is that the SCOTUS rejected the idea that the laws’ plain meanings were not operative”
Right you are, Prof. Foland. No ex post facto problem here.
jayackroyd 46, oh my. Never saw that one either. And on an old album cover, that’d be a nice, big photo. *g*
ojs 54, gotta be Mick or Warren. No one else fits the lyrics. (”Your hat strategically dipped below one eye, your scarf it was apricot; you had one eye in the mirror as you watched yourself gavotte . . .”)
The later lyrics refer to flying your Lear Jet to Nova Scotia. Anybody know whether either of them owned one?
Where is that hussy’s slip? Someone needs lessons in choosing the proper undergarment!
“…The president also has told reporters, “I’d like to close Guantanamo.” But he added, “I also recognize that we’re holding some people that are darn dangerous.”…”
OOOOOoooooohhhhhh…
We got lotsa domestic civvy perps in the States who are equally if not more so “darn dangerous,” there, Gabby. We have SuperMax SHU facilities for ‘em, you dilettante dumbass.
The Stones had a Lear jet back then. Lent it to Kathleen Turner to come visit her maw in Springfield, MO, at least once that I know of. (Our maws were friends.)
Oh, Oh, Oh…Please do not let us neglect the senate’s debate (now) on the Oman free trade agreement deal.
This is so much more the the Dubai ports thing and I’m hearing very littel about it in the MSM (color me surprised).
This FTA will give Oman alot of access to the port for its not just a management deal like the Dubai thing but an ‘operations’ of port with MUCH access.
I thought it was about Warren Beatty.
and the winnah is….
all/some/none of the above
http://www.carlysimon.com/vain/vain.htm
:-)
The news we’ve all been nervously awaiting, has arrived. What is Jenna Bush, former twin partyer extraordinaire going do do with her life now that she’s out of college? She’s going south to teach in Latin America. As a teacher of poor kids, in a poor public school, in one of the poorest areas of the United States, I can only marvel at the probable extra security, etc. costs associated with her relocation. Money spent on Jenna’s Latin American adventure could be better spent right here in her own backyard. Public schools in this country are in dire straights. Our schools are in desperate need of teachers. Especially in the inner cities and rural agricultural regions. If Jenna is disposed to teach in a Latin-American school, there are plenty of Spanish barrio schools available in say West L.A, New York or Houston for example. Or Jenna if your liking runs to the more bucolic, how about applying to the public school I teach at. We have many Spanish speaking sons and daughters of our farm laborers who would welcome you with open arms. Send an application to us Jenna. I promise you, We’ll accept it in an Oklahoma minute! Come on Jenna, won’t you please help.
Fed just bumped rates another quarter-point. Inflation well on its way.
Clash – Train in Vain
Just a quick check in – dang I want some time to sit and read the decisions
Re: the Libby extension, the downside to me seems to be that Fitzgerald has Hollinger case(s) in March, doesn’t he? Makes it tight, but the lit teams are otherwise different, so maybe not a big deal.
Re: Hamdan – I have only cruised through parts of the decisions, but to give the Gov’s argument what I thought before was it’s best face – enemy soldiers in armed conflict who discard uniforms and attempt to blend in with civilian population, in particular for spying and sabotage purposes, have at times and under applicable sections of military justice approachs been deemed to be “unlawful” combatants – bc they are soldiers pretending to be civilians.
Without lots of other details/discussion (and I know very little about military proceedings) the recent Opinion seemed to me to indicate, not so much that the detainees have to be labelled POWs under the POW provisions of the conventions, but rather that the broad “this covers everybody” provisions of the Conventions cover the detainees, whatever you want to call them, such that their trials should take place under the UCMJ and not “some stuff that Bush and Addington and Rumsfeld thunked up” and torture, etc. is not allowed.
(Btw – civilian population that are mistakenly taken or civlian population that take up arms against invading forces- even if those invading forces win- have never, to my admittedly limited knowledge, been deemed “unlawful combatants” and a process that doesn’t even allow for that “first sort” to be competently accomplished has to be questionable)
Hopeful more by late night – real work calls and I’m not depressed enough to ignore it. *g*
lotus, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but inflation is here. Those who say it isn’t here yet are the same ones crowing about the great shape the economy is in…none of whom actively go to a grocery store, I’m sure.
The Muck’s Justin Rood, musing over Bernie Kerik’s immediately-expected guilty plea to accepting over $200K in graft:
“Too bad he never snagged the DHS gig. He would have been a great addition to this town! Think about Bernie Kerik testifying before Congress about Shirlington Limo. Or defending Katrina contracting scams. . . What scandal gestalt we could have had.”
Does Lautenberg (on CSPAN2) always sound this drunk. He’a a-ramblin’…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 11:19 am (#84) – Well, I don’t mind spending that money. She’ll learn about how people live in another part of the world. If she was an ordinary 20-something, she’d probably just pack a couple of suitcases and buy a ticket, which is something most of us could afford. Since she’s the President’s kid, she has to pack a Secret Service detail. She’s the President’s child, not the President. She didn’t sign up for being a guardian of our tax dollars.
As far as I’m concerned, this is one of the few things the Bush Admin. hasn’t managed to screw up.
Durbin takes to the floor– today the SCOTUS told the preznit that he is not above the law.
Dee 87 — ’tain’t no news to me, hon. I feel it daily.
“Anticinfla-a-a-tion is driving me mad”
angie @ 11:29 am (#92) – What Durbin should really have said – “Today, the part of the SCOTUS the President hasn’t managed to replace yet told him he’s not above the law”.
#94 – Punaise scores!!!LOL!!
Warren was always my impression – thought it was pretty much taken for granted “back in the day” (that day doesn’t seem so long ago until you start adding up the years)!
Lotus,
Thank kyou for your concern for us in the Northeast. Though the rain has not been effecting me in a negative way (my lawn and roses are gorgeous) it has been very serious for a lot of folks and travel is so screwed up I just got a notice that a fundraiser that Joe Wilson was doing for Massa, was just cancelled because the roads are so bad (sigh, I don’t get to meet Amb. Joe–again, Damn, I really wanted to thank him)
Where I used to live in NJ, I had a stream in my backyard. You had to drive over a little wooden bridge to get into the garage. Quaint as all get out, until it rained.
The house itself was on a little hillock, but it would end up looking like a castle surrounded by a moat (it was a tudor, so it really looked like a castle), the power would go out, and the phones and I would be standed with the baby and my husband would not be able to get back from work.
To this day, when ever it rains, my daughter starts assembling candles and flashlights even though we now live in less flood prone area (the power still goes out b.c we live in the woods now and the trees fall down on the power lines–but no floods!)
That part of New Jersy, Summit and south and west of there, just drowns every time there is a drop of rain. I cannot imagine what it must be like this week. The hamlet of Boundbrook was a national story a couple years back when it just sort of disappeared for a while under the water like Atlantis.
Anywa Lotus, thank you on behalf of all north easterners for worrying. I am sure the payers and good wishes of one such as you will carry more weight than mine. (I have kinda a love/hate thing going with the ALmighty)
oh yeah, Cujo359!
and, another song by Carly apropos of the thread
>>>>>>>>>
If all our flights are grounded
Libby, we’ll go to Paris
Dance along the boulevards
And have no one to embarrass
Puttin’ on the Ritz in style
With an Arab and an Heiress
Libby, we’ll fly anyway, heyyyy
And leave behind our blues
Half sung melodies
We’ll trade them all in
For a Paris breeze
Libby we’ll fly
See how dark the circles grow
In a town that has no light
So many eyes just staring out
Into the bloodshot night
And Libby, I hate to see you cry
And I want to share it all with you
And if it brings us to our knees
We’ll trade it all in for a Paris breeze
Libby we’ll fly
Dr. Bong at 83 – well, Carly must have gotten sick of being asked all these years who it’s about. She at least once flatly denies that it’s Mick, but never flatly denies that it’s Warren, and at times says it’s at least partly about him, and once says it’s a composite of 3 different men.
So my guess is the composite, mostly Warren, but with a few details from other men (i.e. the Lear Jet from Mick) to keep it from being too obviously about him.
oh and for all you weather watchers, tis thundering and pouring yet again in NH. gotta unplug… see you later.
see An Inconvenient Truth– really.
Hey guys and gals. Totally off topic but just trying to get the word out about this Merle Haggard video. Rebuild America First…fantastic. Please take a look Fire-dog’ers!.
http://www.merlehaggard.com/an…..7-199b.wmv
The song could well be a conglomerate,but the underworld spy line has me leaning towards the King of fake-n-bake.
…but never flatly denies that it’s Warren, and at times says it’s at least partly about him, and once says it’s a composite of 3 different men.
Warren Piece
Punaise- So it’s Tolstoy?
Those of us subject to outsize elemental displays (pert’ near all of us, no?) gotta stick together, lhp.
Glad to hear that you’re out of harm’s way today — just wish everybody could be. Those pix make me sick at heart.
Not sure what I do really qualifies as “prayer” either, but it’s as close as I can get. As to, the “good wishes” part, y’all have 100%.
DOW up 180 in response to fed move- the fed statement can be interpreted to say that the fed will only raise interest rates again if there are changes in the signals- maybe that’s what the market is responding to.
Watch 30 year fixed mortgages- they are approaching seven percent- which may be a psychological turning point. Prime rates are already at pretty high levels.
My favorite on that album is “I’ve got to have you” Killer guitar solo on that tune.
BTW, scotusblog has a good rundown on the supreme’s decision. And it is their last day in session today.
http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/
boy (tols) toy
hard for me to believe this supreme court found against this president
wonders
There is no evidence to contradict the suspicion that Thomas, Scalia, and the two Clusterfuck appointees are joined together at the hip in their respect for monarchy.
thanx to the scotus blog for this moresel
That Common Article 3 of Geneva aplies as a matter of treaty obligation to the conflict against Al Qaeda. (See also the AMK concurrence: “The provision is part of a treaty the United States has ratified and thus accepted as binding law. By Act of Congress, moreover, violations of Common Article 3 are considered ‘war crimes,’ punishable as federal offenses, when committed by or against United States nationals and military personnel. See 18 U. S. C. 2441.”)
that’s what the democrats have to hit hard every chance they get
latest Fox poll shows GW Clusterfuck at 41% approval. That, after all, was Clusterfuck’s goal- and according to Fox, he’s there!
Merle Rocks!
Someone tell the Dixie Chicks “ex fans”
Glenn Greenwald:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..html#links
Cujo359…91
Respectfully, I do not agree. As far as I can tell she’s the only one of the Bush’s in possession of needed skills. If one of your concerns is that “she’ll learn how people live in another part of the world”, well…she can do that right here in this country. Try living in the China towns, barrios, or for that matter NOLA, or any number of other ethnic towns with-in towns. It’s like being in a foreign country. And if she really wants to learn how other people in the world live, my suggestion would be that she consider joining the Peace Corps. A very laudable thing to do. I stick by what I said. We need teachers here. Put the extra money which will be spent on Jenna here in our schools.
Wrt to today’s SCOTUS decision,I CAN’T WAIT to see Stupie McFuckhead’s pissy little countenance on the tee vee on this one!Hoo Boy,is he going to be cryin’.Let’s all prepare for the Mighty Whurlitzer to be in air raid siren mode.And Ol’Attorny Generalissimo to be a sputterin’.
Thanks for that link, sofistic 107.
Here’s part of Marty Lederman’s summary of Hamdan there (emphases Marty’s):
And from a comment at Greenwald’s blog:
Oklahoma kiddo @ 12:01 pm (#115) Try living in the China towns, barrios, or for that matter NOLA, or any number of other ethnic towns with-in towns.
That’s how people live when they move here. It’s not how they lived where they came from. The differential cost between her living in a foreign country with a Secret Service detail and living somewhere other than the White House or her parent’s place is trivial, and she’s going to see and learn things she wouldn’t here.
Clusterfuck was in deep doo- doo a month ago- and he’s still in PRETTY deep doo-doo- but the depth of the doo-doo in relationship to his breathing apparatus appears to be improving a bit.
He was getting the crap kicked out of him from all sides- his immigration plan was unpopular- he was getting some shit on his wiretapping- we got the sell off of ports to ARABS and the war was obviously going badly.
Conservatives seem prepared to kiss and make up- he got a little blip on the war issue with the bombing of Czar-cow-ee and now he’s seen daily with a new world leader as a reminder that as bad as he is- he’s all we’ve got.
He could be back to the low forties soon.
The rejection of the President’s claims to unlimited authority with regard to how Al Qaeda prisoners are treated is extraordinary and encouraging by any measure.
sorry, this is playing into the strength of these idiots
these ARE NOT al qaeda prisoners untill someone proves it
whcih HAS NOT been done
greenwals should know better
Regarding Hamdan,I too am reserving my opinion until I have a chance to finish reading it. Also, although IAAL, I haven’t practiced for several years and never practiced criminal or military law. So any opinion I have at this point is probably no better than anyone else’s.
Having said that, I have two initial reactions:
1) Hooray, because the Supreme Court has shown that the five-justice majority in this case does not completely buy Bush’s claims of unlimited executive power, even during the war on terra. It remains to be seen how far they will go with that.
2) Caution, because Bush has already suggested he will ask the Rubber Stamp Congress to grant him the authority this decision says he currently does not have. Will have to read the case more closely to find out whether the Constitution restricts Congress from doing that.
In any event, a day in which the third branch of government votes 5-3 against Bush is not a bad day.
Meanwhile, another child has died on a Disney World ride — third or fourth this year, I think. Eisner picked a good time to leave.
me to me, I took that comment as referring not just to Gitmo detainees, but to Abu Ghraib, extraordinary rendition, etc. But you’re right, he still should have said “alleged” or “suspected.”
Prof @ 114
Sure, Congress could do all those things, but how likely do you think that is – even for this Congress?
Can you imagine the debate if Pat Roberts proposed that the US abrogate the Geneva Convention?
Maybe he’ll do it as part of a new constitutional amendment, to preserve “the right to torture.”
Cujo359 120
I stick by what I said. We need teachers here. And I do mind spending the money on her Latin American trip. If you do not that’s fine. Perhaps you might consider cutting a check and underwriting her trip. We can debate this all day long. I deal with poor kids here daily, and that’s from whence comes my pespective. Perhaps we shall just have to agree to disagree. As gentle persons are wont do.
Okay, back to the topic at hand — Scooter Libby before the bar. How about another FDL pool?
My guess — there will never be a trial.
The week after Xmas, Abu Gonzales will deliver an opinion to the White House, stating that if this trial proceeds, it will be a grave threat to National Security. With a heavy heart, more in sorrow than in pity, yadda yadda, Preznit Chimpy McCodpiece will reluctantly pardon Scooter for all crimes. The End.
Substitute BushCo Security for National Security, and you’ll be close to the truth — which is why it will never go to trial.
This Congress will absolutely move forward quickly to follow the instructions of the Supreme Court to grant power to the Unitary Executive in the war on terror. This is exactly the decision Rover was hoping for. While it IS a good decision for constitutional governance, politically it may be a disaster. This could be the issue on which the GOP hammers Dems. “Dems won’t give the President the power the Supreme Court sez he must have in order to keep dangerous terrorists locked up.”
See? Everything is good for BushCo, in the new bizarro-world.
Cujo359 #120
No offense but who cares if Jenna or not Jenna learn anything about anything? Aside from being the scions of a wealthy and political important family, they are nobodies. They have not tried to be role models, quite the reverse. They have undertaken no civil or ceremonial function and are not doing so now. And I agree it is discordant to be teaching the poor accompanied by your Secret Service detail. In the past, we would have called this “slumming”.
TSF – so up is down, east is west, evil is the new black.
OT YEE-HAW!!!
Once again, from Raw Story:
Now if THAT doesn’t shame the asinine Florida lege . . . !
I’m afraid TeddySanFran @ 12:21 nails it.
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. June 27-28, 2006. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE 3.
.
“Do you think it would be better for the country if Democrats or Republicans win control of Congress in this year’s election?” Options rotated
.
Republicans Democrats No Difference/
Neither (vol.) Unsure
% % % %
6/27-28/06 33 39 20 8
5/16-18/06 29 46 19 6
2/28 – 3/1/06 31 45 19 5
2/7-8/06 34 42 18 5
1/10-11/06 33 44 16 7
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Fox’s most recent generic ballot results- shown against previous tallies..
Looks as if Fox got a VERY gooper slanted sample this time around- resulting in cutting the dem advantage from seventeen points to six on the generic ballot question in ONE MONTH. Stupid Fox games?
lotus- that, of course- gives the gooper governor something to run on. Chances for re-election just grew.
Teddy- YUP. The congress sees absolutely NO downside to voting to give more power to Clusterfuck to fight the “war on terror”. They got nervous a few months ago- but now Rove has convinced em that anything that pits the dems on the side of terrorists means their re-election.
Is Huckabee going for re-election, rw? I thought he wasn’t (going for ‘08 nomination instead) … but I haven’t been paying good attention there.
Think Progress writes:
Who’s it gonna be, Roberts, Hatch or Sessions making the announcement that we don’t need no stinkin’ laws?
rwcole – Good to see you back.
Fly-by — OT?
WTF is wrong with CNN and their legal “expert” Jeffrey Toobin talking about the Rethugs NYT stunt and totally ignoring the public comments made about “following the money” and the public access info available on SWIFT…comments made by this prez.
Doggies or kitties, I’m screamin’ like a herald here ’cause I’m headin’ away, but please consider emailing these clowns and asking them to GET REAL, not rove, ON THE FACTS.
lotus- Oops- you are right- my mistake.
JWR–thanks. Good to be back home.
If the Congress sees the Court’s decision as an instruction to change the laws to suit the president’s policies, I think we need to send each and every one of them a screwdriver, symbolizing their status as “tools” of the administration and their eagerness to “screw” whatever stands in Bush’s way – treaties, constitutions, the people – whatever.
Well, it’s turned into a rill bitter day for all them gooper jacklegs far an’ wide, and I jes’ LOVE it!
rwcole: not so quick.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State Polls/May 2006/Arkansas Governor May.htm
:-)
Another drive by -
“”Margaret”" 78 *G*
punaise – on fire today!
RAYNE — whomp Levin’s butt and tell him not to jump into bed with Lindsey again (Peterr – Graham-Levin already partly did what you think they won’t do, if I am following — need to read all the decisions, these days with everyone writing their own and concurring in part, dissenting in part, adding grounds for concurrence in result with separate reasoning, etc. — it makes counting hard.
As best I can tell, though, the “need to work with Congress to have military commissions” bit is an evasive non-starter — I think that as long as they run them pursuant to the already existing Uniform Code of Military Justice and the already existing Geneva Conventions – there’s nothing in the SCOTUS ruling to prevent military trials.
So the Graham “let me save your backside Mr. President” effort is to try to make it sound as if there is some deep, dark prohibition on military trials when instead I think they were mostly just told: Follow the UCMJ and Conventions until or unless Congress formally abrogates them.
Caveat of not having read everything, but – WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY faster to simply begin holding military trials in accordance with existing legal requirements of Geneva Conventions and UCMJ, isn’t it?
SO you only go back to Congress and delay the whole thing by however long that (hopefully lengthy) disagreement might take IF you want to abrogate UCMJ and COnventions. That is a good idea because .. . ??? Why, exactly?
Apparently to try to work in some kind of amnesty would be my bet.
Graham knew this was one possible outcome and he’s been point man– he has a plan B, C, D etc.
Congress doesn’t have much time to get anything done before election fever officially sets in. Of course it’s all about the election already- but once September rolls around- it will be campaigning 24/7.
Clusterfuck is fighting for his political life. Will be interesting to see if he takes August off again this year.
Oops – bad linky
Democrat Mike Beebe holds a fairly comfortable lead against Rethug Asa(hole) Hutchinson as of May 2006
Huckabee can’t run for re-election – term limits.
Will be interesting to see if he takes August off again this year.
Rove Memo to GWB: Angry citizens determined to vote in America.
That probably will get his attention much better than someone mentioning al-Qaeda and bombs.
Clusterfuck is fighting for his political life. Will be interesting to see if he takes August off again this year.
Of COURSE he will, rw — he all wo’ out from he “hard work”!
Teddy, T-, rwcole:
I am just not ready to accept the idea that even this Rubber Stamp Congress would vote to withdraw the U.S. from the Geneva Conventions. Surely John McCain would break with Bush on this and take some other Republicans with him. Or is this country in even worse shape than I thought?
nuero—
Hope you are right. We’ll see. I suspect that the White House will make this a big issue.
Dr Bong,
can’t get linky to work – but it’s ok – Prof. RW Cole has schooled us all that Rasmussen tends to ‘trend’ favorably towards Repugs
neuro,
remember, Senator McCain is busy courting the right wing nut jobs and will nothing to hurt that effort -
The folks who are bashing the Bushgirl for going to teach in Central America are obviously entitled to your opinions, but face it, nothing they do, no matter how noble, will excape your condemnation. She’s helping out the less fortunate for chrissakes.
Swopa – Had enough?
Congress overriding/withdrawing from Geneva Conventions, etc:
Sounds like a job for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.!
Lieberman is ‘No. 2′; bipartisan, ya know…
OfT – From TPM Muck
More trouble for Jerry Lewis
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001029.php
OT: Frist sent this out trying to get support for Rethug candidates. Now we know what the talking points are to counter and ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!
P.S. Why does everything they send out mention Hillary Clinton?
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cbl: so a 10 point lead for a “D” according to rasmussen might be equivalent to a 15-20 point lead in reality land?
ck says:
June 29th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
Okay, back to the topic at hand %u2014 Scooter Libby before the bar. How about another FDL pool?
My guess %u2014 there will never be a trial.
The week after Xmas, Abu Gonzales will deliver an opinion to the White House, stating that if this trial proceeds, it will be a grave threat to National Security. With a heavy heart, more in sorrow than in pity, yadda yadda, Preznit Chimpy McCodpiece will reluctantly pardon Scooter for all crimes. The End.
Substitute BushCo Security for National Security, and you’ll be close to the truth %u2014 which is why it will never go to trial.
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I’m just not seeing it. It’s a perjury trial. He can pardon, sure, but there’s almost no way he can cover himself if he does.
MsAnnaNOLA 158, Hillary is like gay marriage or “they’re gonna take your guns” – red meat for the base, to get them fired up.
lotus 132, kudos to the Arkansas SC for ruling according to the law, not ideology. Watch them get hate mail.
Dr Bong,
mebbe so, just recall rw commenting over and over again that Ramussen is the most often skewered for Repubs
Agree that the trial is unlikely to ever happen.
The political calculation is obvious- the downsides of the pardon vs. the downside of a public trial where all the dirty laundry gets displayed in public- perhaps for months- and with Cheney probably being called as a witness.
Won’t happen in my opinion.
After this election, Clusterfuck has little to lose from the pardon- and a WHOLE LOT to lose from a trial.
cbl 162, yeah, I’ve also heard that Rasmussen has a pretty consistent pro-R bias, but how much of a bias in terms of the point spread I’m not sure.
Also OfT – and I suppose not really necessary – Go read d r i f t g l a s s…
http://driftglass.blogspot.com…..ledge.html
Dr Bong,
checking out the Chimp’s ARK JAR – it’s quite likely the state is trending blue
http://www.surveyusa.com/clien…..dc464c36ff
fyi – careful or rw will have another survey usa junkie on his hands !
Rasmussen runs about 5 to 6 points higher than other polls on Bush JAR ratings. I don’t know about his record on other polls- although gooper candidates seem to get higher ratings from him than from- say- Zogby.
I wonder if Mary might be drawn to an FDL collaborative project on some legal issue of import. Trade stuff back and forth with comments, ideas with the other legal beagles around the lake. Makes sense, what with all these ‘concurs in parts A and C, but not D…joins in dissent of autoparts..’ etc.
Call it: Briefs, Boxers and Commando!
Neurophius – IANAL
Would the congress have to withdraw us from the Geneva Conventions or just amend the enemy combatant status to include the Gitmo prisoners?
Could they also amend the military tribunal laws to include the Gitmo dudes without regard to the Geneva Conventions? That was my line of thinking…
Well, we haven’t had any Alligator Bag fun for awhile, so let’s check in with today’s Orlando Sentinel, shall we?
Democrats are for me, Harris says
But the claim drew this response from one U.S. representative: “That would be a big ‘No.’”
Don’t know whether Alcee Hasting had on his rainbow tie at the time, but certainly A.Bag had on her usual Pinnochio nose.
Pinocchio nose
Greenwald does a nice job of sifting thru SCOTUS ruling. (incase it’s not already been posted)
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..sfeld.html
Lotus @170 “That would be a big ‘No.’”
LOL!!!! But we sure do love her new “TA TAH’s”!
Harris is as mad as a hatter- wonder if Floridians notice.
Harris must know about the Tampa Bay Bucs coach John McKay’s famous quote, as his expansion team suffered another in a long string on losees:
Q: What do you think of your team’s execution?
A: I’m all FOR it!
OT, and my apologies if this has already been posted, but I just saw this:
Roger Stillwell, the desk officer for the Mariana Islands at the U.S. Department of the Interior who dealt closely with disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff, is expected to plead guilty to a misdemeanor count of false certification, his attorney confirmed Wednesday.
The full story can be found at
http://www.law.com/jsp/article…..1485524370 . Law.com may ask you to register, but it’s free. I know Mary has been following the Abramoff/Marianas story closely, but given everything else that’s happened today, I thought it possible that it had been overlooked, and I haven’t had time to read all the comments today to check. (Could you all please write shallow, boring comments so I could catch up easier?) Oh, and as to Hamdan, whoo whoo whoo! *pumps fist* YEAH!
DOW now up 216. They LIKED the fed statement!
rw, why d’you suppose even BILL NELSON is 30 points ahead of her nowadays, and that Jebbie and every other gooper in the state begged/trashed her to quit the race?
hey . . .
been here, parodied that -
(around the time of leopold ’story’)
Weee, can never know about indictments to come
But we think about them anyway
And I wonder, if they’ re really sealed right now
Or just chasing after some phantom’s say.
AnFitzipation, AnFitziation
Is making me late
Is keeping me waiting
And I tell you, how easy it is to be misled
And how right, your Armitage feels around me.
But I, rehashed those theories just late last night
When I was thinking about how right Indict might be.
AnFitzipation, AnFitzipation
Is making me late
Is keeping me waiting
And tomorrow, Fitzgeral just might spill his beans
I’m no prophet, I don’t know justice’s way
So I’ll try, to see into just the facts right now
And stay right here, ’cause these are the good old days
National average 30 year mortgage rate up to 6.99%.
We’re about to clear seven percent folks. Hang onto your hats!
Fitzy made my shitzy list with the Rove deal. He’s a gooper!
Okay, so the administration is going to frame this as “if you don’t give me what I want, it means that you want the terrorists to have more rights than the people who died on 9/11.” They may even attempt to suggest that if Congress does not act, we will have to let the detainees loose, and those detainees will proceed to implement their dastardly plots to kill Americans. I can hear it now, and I bet you all can, too.
They really don’t have much legislative time left before the August recess, but these kinds of debates close to primary and general elections will energize the GOP base, the people who always respond in knee-jerk fashion to fear.
The question is, do we also play to people’s fears to GOTV? And what do people fear more – another 9/11 or the loss of their essential freedoms? One is pretty easy to imagine and the other – for some – is not.
Have gone from the initial high of the SCOTUS ruling to the low of realizing that this is unlikely to result in any significant change in how things are being done, or in Congrress’ ability to rein in an out-of-control President.
Lotus- Yeah- and still she fights on! Clear case of insanity.
Blank Kludge #175:
If we want to page through the John McKay quotebook, he might well have made this observation about Vichy Democrats:
Half of them are gutless. The other half are brainless.
Fight on!
rwcole says:
June 29th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Fitzy made my shitzy list with the Rove deal. He’s a gooper!
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Patience. He’s not done yet.
Specter speaking on Hamdan in the Senate . . .
Frank-
Well as the one buzzard said to the other buzzard:
“Patience my ass- I’m gonna go KILL something”.
Christy at 8
Bless your heart. What a wonderful mom you are.
Do NOT apologize. I’ll bet the rest of the firepups would join me in urging you to do whatever you need to for lil’ Peanut, as 1st order of business.
Actually, selfishly, I look fwd to your raising another wonderful Christy-like character!
If it helps any, a pediatrician once urged our beleagered, exhausted mom to realize how fortunate she was, compared to many, because she “had something to mold.”
My guess is, your little Peanut is gonna be a lot like her mom. I’ll bet your mom had quite a time keeping up with you too. Inquiring minds gotta be busy busy busy.
Hang in there, hon. We’ll wait for ya. ;->
Anne says
June 29th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Okay, so the administration is going to frame this as “if you don’t give me what I want, it means that you want the terrorists to have more rights than the people who died on 9/11.” They may even attempt to suggest that if Congress does not act, we will have to let the detainees loose, and those detainees will proceed to implement their dastardly plots to kill Americans. I can hear it now, and I bet you all can, too.
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They can try. But they just got busted by the Supreme Court, which said they’re violating both the UCMJ as well as the Geneva Conventions. Congressional Republicans are running from Bush as fast as they can. Now they’re stuck cleaning up a big stinking pile of horseshit that’s entirely of George W Bush’s making. Until now, Gitmo was W’s problem. Now it’s Congress’s. They’re trying to shed the “Rubber Stamp Republican” image, and now they have to deal with this. Somehow, I don’t think they’re going to be terribly happy about it.
rwcole says
June 29th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
Frank-
Well as the one buzzard said to the other buzzard:
“Patience my ass- I’m gonna go KILL something”.
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Think of it more as a “Tortoise vs Hare” situation. Fitz didn’t bust Rove (yet) because he didn’t need to. He still has cards to play.
Specter just snark-trashed Scalia — hee!
Scalia cited Specter’s floor speech in a footnote in his dissent — which, given Scalia’s denigration of “legislative history” as a way to construe the law, amuses Specter.
lotus says
June 29th, 2006 at 1:22 pm
Specter just snark-trashed Scalia %u2014 hee!
Scalia cited Specter’s floor speech in a footnote in his dissent %u2014 which, given Scalia’s denigration of “legislative history” as a way to construe the law, amuses Specter.
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Specter’s all hat and no cattle. He’ll cave when Rove tells him to.
HamdaN, HamdAN, HamDAN, HaMDAN, HAMDAN, HAMDAN! (fists banging on table).
Just kidding, Christy! ; )
al-Scooter -
I confess ignorance on not having done my hw. on that. Had not seen that one.
But, ’tis truly genius wit. (Even though I have little love for the man…he came outta very successful USC progam, whilst I am subway alum ND. He had many days of pleasure at my team’s expense.)
Notwithsanding, and nevertheless; credit where it’s due.
Also, the venue of his quotes geographically – proximate to the Harris ‘campaign’.
Frank Probst @ 189 & 192 – Here it comes…
Let’s make it legal! Fucker.
new thread
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..n-support/
It’s a little early to be circling the wagons on Hamdan, folks, although it may be necessary later on. First, the decision does not directly apply to anyone but those few who actually were going to be tried in the “military tribunals.” Second, the Administration has been anticipating this by signalling it is prepared to move forward through either military or civilian courts. Now, I agree, at least based on cursory accounts, that the rationale used sweeps much more broadly — but it’s going to be hard to claim that Hamdan itself constitutes an emergency. It does not, after all, mean they have to let anyone go. It doesn’t even directly mean they have to try Hamdan at all. So take a deep breath. I expect Huckleberry Graham and his buddies will try to cobble together something that looks like a court martial but isn’t quite, but will not (as a co-sponsor of the anti-torture amendment) do anything to abrogate the Geneva Convention. Then the Administration can say they’ve fixed the itty bitty technical problem the Supremes so kindly brought to their attention, and claim a victory, and it can all go through the courts again. Betcha.
Advisory committee recommending HPV vaccine for girls at 11-12 years of age:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH…..index.html
I continue to ask: Why has the damn thing not been tested on men?
Sorry to be such a pessimist today, but Lindsey Graham just needs to get the Senate to pass something onto Junior’s desk about “powers” and “war on terror” and “tribunals.” It hardly needs to mention the Geneva whatevers — that can be handled in the signing statement. It’s all about the signing statement nowadays, folks, it’s not about the law Congress passes.
Once there’s a new “law” that purports to address the Supremes’ instructions, the challenges are back at ground zero and need to start all over again, right?
Hugh @ 12:23 pm (#130) – No offense, but I care. Not a lot, I’ll grant you, but I think maybe one less closed, ignorant mind is something to strive for. And as I’ve pointed out already, the Bush daughters didn’t sign up for this President gig, their parents did.
I’m also going to point out, again, that the difference in costs between doing this in some third world country and doing it in America is peanuts. Either way, the pay and per diem for the Secret Service is the same. There’s a slight increase in plane fair/expense and a slight increase in administrative costs. OTOH, the margaritas are probably cheaper.
Yes, BarbaraB, but they’ve got this leetle torture problemo to work around . . .
Hi, BarbaraB, sounds like we’re singing from the same hymnal today!
I’m lovin’ the slap-down of Clarence the Thomas in the footnote commencing on page 37 of the Decision. That moron. He’s a disgrace to the Supreme Court. Marginally qualified to be a local judge.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/…..05-184.pdf
lotus 201 — Details, details. Anyway, according to them, they don’t torture, so they can hardly use that as a reason for not proceeding to trial. Seriously, the implications of Hamdan are huge — I was yelling “In your face, Addington and Woo” as I jumped up and down — but the actual holding does not an emergency make. They haven’t tried these guys in 4 years, so what’s the rush? And for all the Repugs want to be seen as “strong” and to paint the Dems as “weak,” there were only 8 Senators, IIRC, willing to vote in favor of torture. It still amazes me that there were that many. My best guess is a lot of sound and fury for a bit but nothing much in the way of imminent legislation — but my crystal ball isn’t great at predicting the course of insanity.
lotus
can’t help wondering. . .
Is pinochio nose any relation to Tokyo Rose?
Or is she just a wanna-be?
BarbB – I saw the Stillwell news. It puts them with charges (even if just misdemeanor) inside Interior, and also starts a thread on NMI.
I wonder where the NMI stuff might go if they push, or if it will be pushed.
Re: Bush/Hamdan – still think that every time it comes up and the GOP tries duck and dodge and “we need new laws” they should be NAILED with the fact that if Bush had not broken the laws set forth in both the Geneva Convetions, UCMJ, and War Crimes Act, there was nothing to keep military trials from going forward from the get-go. A refusal to follow law, and a refusal to conduct even UNLAWFUL tribunals until after years of detention charges, is the only reason that the GITMO situation is not already resolved and if Congress buys into the canard of illegal proceedings and delay, when legal proceedings and expedited resolution are available, they are putting us all at risk.
Com’on Dems – you can say the words if you practice.
BUSH’s repeated refusal to follow law puts us all at risk – following the law gives information and resolution – not following the law creates more terrorist, more uncertainty, promotes obedience to illegal orders over competence, and to wrap it up in a bushbow – is not good.
ummm, ready, fire, aim, dang!
pinocchio
T- at 1:00 p.m.
I have only made my way through about 20 percent of the Hamdan decision, and I refer back to all of my other caveats stated earlier. Certainly I defer to anyone who has read the entire decision. And I respect what BarbaraB says. With regard to your specific question, it does not appear to me to really be about whether Hamdan is an enemy combatant or a POW. It has more to do with the president’s limited powers to use military commissions, and what limitations exist on the jurisdiction and powers of those commissions. It finds the terms that created the commission in Hamdan’s case to be insufficient to provide all legal safeguards that are applicable. BarbaraB?
Advisory committee recommending HPV vaccine for girls at 11-12 years of age:
I continue to ask: Why has the damn thing not been tested on men?
I agree — but men don’t get cervical cancer.
What this article fails to mention: the vaccine is only effective against a small number of strains of HPV virus. There are more than 100 strains of HPV, of which at least 4 (HPV-16, HPV-18, HPV-31, and HPV-45) that are associated with cervical cancer.
rwcole,
Dow up 216 …
The market had been told by their economists to expect at least a quarter-point basis increase. There was some speculation by my economist colleagues that we’d see a half-point increase.
When you look at the goat-entrails (FOMC’s statement) it’s good news. I grant that it’s an astigmatic view, but that’s Wall Street.
BC
ck at 1:53
The vaccine doesn’t protect against all HPV strains, but it does protect against the ones most closely associated with cervical cancer.
As to why it hasn’t been tested on men, that’s a most excellent question. Those same HPV strains are associated with penile cancer, *and* infected males pass it on to their sex partners.
BC
The very first post I ever read on FDL and probably one of the first on the Libby indictment said that this trial will never take place. Cheney’s statement last week saying he would probably testify at the trial was probably a good a sign as any that it won’t.
The pardon can come at any moment. I suppose it will be after the election. Not that it makes any difference. If there are 100 voters in the entire nation who would change their vote because of a pardon I’ll eat my hat.
It’s silly for me a nobody to be so sure I know. I wonder what Fitz thinks. I wonder if and how that figures into his own functional pardon of Rove>
gee, rapier at 212 — could you be more of an Eeyore about things? How about looking at the bright side — no matter what happens with Libby and Rove and everyone else involved, the entire Administration has been exposed as being a bunch of vengeful liars whose word can’t be trusted. And not just with liberals, but with a lot of conservatives as well. And Dick Cheney’s hand is all over it, just like his handwriting on the Wilson op-ed. How about that just for starters?