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	<title>Comments on: For Shame&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-166454</link>
		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good post.  It really troubles me that this sort of bill &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; needs to be fought for.  Of course, one of the people holfing it up is Lyn Westmoreland, the same idiot who wants to have the 10 commandments displayed in public buildings but struggled to name three of them!  For shame, indeed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  It really troubles me that this sort of bill <i>still</i> needs to be fought for.  Of course, one of the people holfing it up is Lyn Westmoreland, the same idiot who wants to have the 10 commandments displayed in public buildings but struggled to name three of them!  For shame, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: DEFord</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165781</link>
		<dc:creator>DEFord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please see what the ePluribus Media researchers unearthed here &lt;a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
about the Voting Rights Act stall and who may well be behind it.  This makes the Trent Lott yard jockey look like a Boyscout prank.  Seriously, the hatemongers who are behind this Big Stall are hideous-and yes, I have already called the Southern Poverty Law Center and have them on the case. Sorry about the long link-I don’t have my FDL legs just yet.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please see what the ePluribus Media researchers unearthed here <a><br />
about the Voting Rights Act stall and who may well be behind it.  This makes the Trent Lott yard jockey look like a Boyscout prank.  Seriously, the hatemongers who are behind this Big Stall are hideous-and yes, I have already called the Southern Poverty Law Center and have them on the case. Sorry about the long link-I don’t have my FDL legs just yet.</a></p>
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		<title>By: orangejumpsuit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165267</link>
		<dc:creator>orangejumpsuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Teddy, 190:”We need to dare W to try the Times for treason.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush/Rove/Cheney/Gonzales have already decided not to bring charges against the Times, probably for the reason you say: No chance they can win. Plus it would be the WH against every non-rabid-right paper in the country. In any case any charges would not be treason, more likely disclosing classified information. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Besides, if they did they would also have to go after the WSJ, which, heaven forbid!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a sense the WH may have overplayed their hand, for now the Mad Dogs of the Right are howling for crminal charges, and if Bush can’t deliver that, they will get down on him again. So far, his best shot is to get Congress to pass their stinking NYT resolution.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We live in insane times, folks, and this is lkely just the beginning. The American Dream has finally become a nightmare.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy, 190:”We need to dare W to try the Times for treason.”</p>
<p>Bush/Rove/Cheney/Gonzales have already decided not to bring charges against the Times, probably for the reason you say: No chance they can win. Plus it would be the WH against every non-rabid-right paper in the country. In any case any charges would not be treason, more likely disclosing classified information. </p>
<p>Besides, if they did they would also have to go after the WSJ, which, heaven forbid!</p>
<p>In a sense the WH may have overplayed their hand, for now the Mad Dogs of the Right are howling for crminal charges, and if Bush can’t deliver that, they will get down on him again. So far, his best shot is to get Congress to pass their stinking NYT resolution.</p>
<p>We live in insane times, folks, and this is lkely just the beginning. The American Dream has finally become a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165260</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BobbyG #186&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Uh, well, like maybe because we tortured many of them, and that shit would be WAY inconvenient to come out at trial.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which is what I said.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BobbyG #186</p>
<p>“Uh, well, like maybe because we tortured many of them, and that shit would be WAY inconvenient to come out at trial.”</p>
<p>Which is what I said.</p>
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		<title>By: HopeSpringsATurtle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165249</link>
		<dc:creator>HopeSpringsATurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;going off…&lt;br /&gt;
sorry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>going off…<br />
sorry</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165248</link>
		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;McGovern cites Plame/ Casey’s plan for troop reductions/ nonexistant WMDs all leaked by sr admin to the NYT.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the leadership, oversight is a 4 letter word.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McGovern cites Plame/ Casey’s plan for troop reductions/ nonexistant WMDs all leaked by sr admin to the NYT.</p>
<p>For the leadership, oversight is a 4 letter word.</p>
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		<title>By: HopeSpringsATurtle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165246</link>
		<dc:creator>HopeSpringsATurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;James McGovern is GO OFF  (in a good way…) CSPAN&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James McGovern is GO OFF  (in a good way…) CSPAN</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165245</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We need to dare W to try the Times for treason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously, let’s get them into court.  Right now.  The sooner the better.  As KeithO said several times over this issue the last few days, this NEVER turns out well for Presidents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I’m with the wingers on this.  Haul Keller in front of a judge.  Let’s get this settled (again….)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to dare W to try the Times for treason.</p>
<p>Seriously, let’s get them into court.  Right now.  The sooner the better.  As KeithO said several times over this issue the last few days, this NEVER turns out well for Presidents.</p>
<p>So, I’m with the wingers on this.  Haul Keller in front of a judge.  Let’s get this settled (again….)</p>
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		<title>By: *ilson46201</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165244</link>
		<dc:creator>*ilson46201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;new thread —- Libby trial delayed !&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new thread —- Libby trial delayed !</p>
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		<title>By: orangejumpsuit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/29/for-shame-2/#comment-165241</link>
		<dc:creator>orangejumpsuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I missed the previous thread on the NYT resolution, but we need to understand the way the WH noise machine works. The WH is not out to get the Times. The WH still needs the Times and other Lapdog press to spread its disinformation. Hence, the big news that &lt;b&gt;the Times credentials will not be withdrawn,&lt;/b&gt; hehehe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is just using the Times as a convenient whipping boy to rally their disaffected base. There is nothing like dumping on a so-called bastion of the “liberal press” to get the nutters riled up, and this is what is going on. Of course, this is all timed to get rolling as we approach the November elections. If we understand this, than we can perhaps save ourselves from a stroke or at least a puke session.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress’s role in all this is just being the WH whore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The sum total of the effect of all this is going to be…not so much and more of the same.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed the previous thread on the NYT resolution, but we need to understand the way the WH noise machine works. The WH is not out to get the Times. The WH still needs the Times and other Lapdog press to spread its disinformation. Hence, the big news that <b>the Times credentials will not be withdrawn,</b> hehehe.</p>
<p>It is just using the Times as a convenient whipping boy to rally their disaffected base. There is nothing like dumping on a so-called bastion of the “liberal press” to get the nutters riled up, and this is what is going on. Of course, this is all timed to get rolling as we approach the November elections. If we understand this, than we can perhaps save ourselves from a stroke or at least a puke session.</p>
<p>Congress’s role in all this is just being the WH whore.</p>
<p>The sum total of the effect of all this is going to be…not so much and more of the same.</p>
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