
The right to vote in this nation of ours is a bedrock principle — we are a representative democracy, and the fact that every citizen of a certain age has a right to a say in the election of our leaders speaks to who we are as a nation. "We, the people" not "we, the selected people that the elected few deem to be appropriate because they are more likely to skew the vote our way" or some such other nonsense.
The right to cast a vote has been hard won for some groups in this country — women and african americans and other minorities, in particular, had to fight long, hard, bitter battles in order to have a voice in our nation’s elections.
Last week, the Do Nothing Rubber Stamp Republican Congress slapped a hold on the renewal of the Voting Rights Act renewal in the House. (For more on the Voting Rights Act see here and here.) The fact that this hold was put in place by a coalition of Southern Republicans…well, just a coincidence which doesn’t show that we still have a long way to go at all, right? (Um hmmm…)
Yesterday evening, in another Republican initiative in the House, there was an attempt to limit the voting rights of American citizens for whom English is not a first language, by requiring that all voting be done in English only — even in communities where there are substantial populations of non-English-speaking or little-English-speaking immigrants.
Supporters of non-English ballots reminded colleagues that only U.S. citizens are able to vote and that even those whose native language is English have difficulty with complex ballot initiatives, much less those who learned the language after coming to this country.
An overwhelming majority of Democrats joined with slightly fewer than one-third of House Republicans to reject Stearns’ amendment.
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said taking away the right to bilingual ballots would "allow states and localities to discriminate against taxpaying American citizens because of their language ability and impede their right to vote. That is wrong." (For more from Pelosi, see here.)
The Justice Department on Wednesday settled a lawsuit with Brazos County, Texas, for denying Spanish-speaking citizens voting materials and ballots in Spanish and preventing them from getting help in voting.
"The Voting Rights Act has nothing to do with immigration," said Rep. Linda Sanchez, D-Calif. "One hundred percent (of those benefiting from non-English ballots) are U.S. citizens."
Look, let’s be honest: sometimes ballot initiatives make no sense, even to lawyers for whom English is a first language and who are used to reading convoluted legalese. How is someone who is a legal immigrant to this country supposed to decipher complex and convoluted ballot information without some language assistance?
Should a recent legal immigrant to this nation, who speaks rudimentary English, works hard, pays taxes and does everything else they can to become a good American, including taking night courses to improve their English language skills, be discriminated against because they don’t understand what a school bond levy for improvements to infrastructure and superstructure initiatives is?
Democrats in the House were superb yesterday evening in helping to beat back what I see as a racist attempt to suppress voting by citizens who have a history of voting for Democrats. There are a number of YouTube videos available of the speeches here, but one in particular from Rep. David Scott (D-GA) was outstanding and I wanted to share it with everyone here. (UPDATE: The YouTube link isn’t working well for me this morning for some reason. You can see the Rep. David Scott link via this Congressional page here. Top right-hand video clip. Sorry for the inconvenience, gang.)
Outstanding speech — reminding us all of the promise of this great nation to the world — of what we could be, were we only to listen more often to the better angels of our natures.
My roommate the first two years at Smith was a very outspoken African-American woman from Jamaica, Queens, New York. She and I were both a bit nervous about rooming together the first year because we came from such different worlds — I was worried that she’d think I was a hick, and she was worried I’d be a Southern racist yahoo. Mercifully for both of us, it worked out very well and we were great friends.
An incident that happened in our Sophomore year still sticks out as a huge reminder that we have a long, long road still ahead in terms of civil rights and racism. She and her boyfriend had ordered a take-out pizza from the Dominoes in Northampton, MA – which is, in all honesty, an incredibly progressive town, by and large. When they stopped by the pizza place on the way back to the dorm, the owner of the shop chased them both out with a broom, screaming at them that they would not be allowed to rob his store.
These were two upwardly-mobile, college students who happened to be black, in a town where progressive values were not only the norm, but expected. It was devastating for them, and impossible for me to come close to understanding.
Take a look again at the children in the picture at the top with Dr. King. The hope on all of their faces for a better America — one where we lift up the aspirations of every child, of every person in this nation of ours, and assure that their dreams are the dreams of us all. Without hope, the nation’s poor and disenfranchised feed on despair and anger, and we all suffer for it. Without a vote, these groups do not have a voice — a voice that they so desperately need in order to make their needs and desires known to the people who govern in their name.
Republicans in the House would do well to remember that not only ought legal immigrants be taught that voting is a sacred and honorable duty — but that a lot of these folks have long, long memories. For shame.
UPDATE: One good way to keep the polls as honest as possible on election day? Volunteer to be a poll watcher.



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SCOTUS! Today anyway.
I see your SCOTUS and raise you a
FITZ!
Morning Christy—the YouTube link seems to be MIA.
Will be looking at Hamden as I get time this morning…and hopefully get something up in the next coupla hours. HUGE decision.
The nauseating arrogance of this congress continues unabated. These people are going straight to hell – oh wait, we’re already there. The bad guys do so much, so fast, its hard to keep up. I heard this decision earlier in the week and then was off to other issues. Thanks for the great post Christy.
Looking forward to it Christy!
Good morning Christy
There is a glitz between here: and Oustanding speech.
The end of the War, only dead soldiers see it.
Anybody else missing a Refresh Comments button right now?
Hi Christy — big empty space where the You-Tube is supposed to be….
What happened to “preview”? Mines gone…
… I guess you can see that we’re all done with that “patience” thing from last week….
Hmm, looks like a few gerbils have jumped off our wheel for a Dr. Pepper break er sumpin’.
I also missed the refresh button and did not see the big speech section, but when I hit ‘refresh on my computer on my tool bar, I got the refresh button back and the speech. Just a glitch in loading I think.
Ah — ReFC button just came back. Gotcher Preview too, Hope?
Great pizza story, Christy — it goes to show there are some things beyond understanding.
It also shows that Domino’s sucks.
Yeah — I don’t know what the problem is with the YouTube — I’m just going to give you guys the direct link. I think we’re having a glitch…
Add all of this to the recent SCOTUS decision on re-districting and it sickens me. These people just keep re-visiting the same old issues as if they can turn back the clock on world civilization. It’s really crazy.
Hope you’re well rested, Christy. You did an amazing job us holding us all together. Looking forward to your take on this latest news
Nope…hmmm. I always blame the NSA for this kind of stuff.
Isn’t it great when old friends return? You don’t realize how much you love them, until they disappear for a moment.
There you go…I invoked their name and poof! refresh and preview are back…
It’s MAGIC!
You know, we go to a great deal of trouble to make sure people who cannot read a ballot for other reasons are able to vote. Illiterates, the blind, the severely disabled – all are allowed to have helpers. Printing ballots in other prevalent languages is merely a way to satisfy the requirement that poll workers help every citizen who shows up to vote.
When I judged the last election, I spent twenty minutes sitting by the disabled-access voting machine, selecting the voter’s requested candidates and making sure she was OK with the choice. It felt so good. We had a guy who spoke Vietnamese on staff, too. He ended up helping three people vote, which took him off the lines for about 40 minutes.
But we only had one Spanish-speaker on our precinct election team. If they had had to devote equal time for each person who was not quite comfortable with English, then the lines would have been five times as long. Which would have depressed turnout.
Which is, of course, what the Republicans want.
“An overwhelming majority of Democrats joined with slightly fewer than one-third of House Republicans to reject Stearns’ amendment.”
Still, there were 167 racist congresspeople who voted FOR the amendment. Wow. I guess we have a long way to go.
That 2nd to last paragraph is beautiful. Thanks, Christy.
I had the pleasure last year of marching in Atlanta for renewal of the 40th Anniversary of the Voting Rights Act with the Ambassador Andrew Young (in picture), Willie Nelson, Rev. Jackson, Dick Durbin, Nancy Pelosi, John Lewis and other heroes of the Civil Rights movement.
I’m still inspired by their words and deeds. It’s heartbreaking to me to see the vindictiveness of people that still want to suppress one of the most fundamental rights that our country guarantees for the people that have fought so hard, and have borne so much pain and suffering to gain that birthright.
Purgatory awaits their change of heart.
Christy, what is the difference between “infrastructure” and “superstructure” initiatives? My law classes and 37 years as a lawyer haven’t prepared me to understand that.
Oh, never mind. Neither do the Rethugs. In any language.
Maybe we could require all ballot measures to be written in PLAIN LANGUAGE. I once stopped a nationwide pesticide spraying program in court for violating a regulation that required environmental documents to be in plain language.
As for Spanish, a friend of mine once got the Idaho Supreme Court to reverse a conviction of a Spanish-speaking defendant because the trial was conducted in English without any competent interpreter.
My lawyer friend started his argument before the high court by addressing the judges in Spanish (which none of them understood). Just when they looked like they were about to interrupt him and hold him in contempt, he said: “I apologize to Your Honors for my opening, which may have been difficult to understand. But I hope that you can see the situation that faced my client in his trial with lack of interpretation.” He won.
Gutsy lad.
We should help all citizens improve English, but not use it as a barrier. We should not block citizens from participating in our democracy because they don’t speak the Queen’s English.
We might consider, however, whether certain legislators are competent to understand the language and theory of democracy, and consider lifting THEIR voting privileges.
The Stern’s Ammendment is shameful indeed.
It is simply unbelievable to me thta anyone would introduce this type of legislation in the light of day.
I wish they would all just crawl on their bellies back under their rocks and stay there.
It’s times like these that I wished I believed that a benevolent God existed.
We have some serious work today.
EPU-ed in last thread, theme still fits. Sharpen your claws, kitties, we’ve a two-pronged challenge. The Rubber Stamp Republican congress stuntifying with the Activist Executive. And the pedantic shills in the media who need to find their own backbones.
Give us the facts, give us the context, stop the shilling….
Props to SCOTUS for remembering their Constitution. Well, 5 of ‘em, anyway.
Carry away those small stones, guys. Feedback. Build the roar.
SCOTUS Decision in full:
http://supremecourtus.gov/opin…..05-184.pdf
I never thought my country would question the need for a Voting Rights Act. How can rational legislators doubt that “special attention” must be paid? We still hear stories like Donna Brazile’s sister’s, who was required to show multiple forms of ID in Florida in 2000, or the Georgia initiatives to limit voting rights, or entire Texas counties that decide that multi-lingual ballots are un-American, or the removal of thousands of like-named non-felons from the voter rolls in Florida?
Talk about your settled law — this Congress’ most shameful acts may be the things they didn’t accomplish.
LBJ must be spinning in his grave. Not that there’s anything wrong with that….
sorry, that last word in my post should read – to do.
OT — The Supreme Court just issued its decision on the Gitmo military trials — apparently voting 5-3 (Roberts recused)against the Administration. Few details yet.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..SFeeds0312
http://www.udargo.com/mub/2006…..rters.html
Bush Losing Core Supporters
WASHINGTON, May 11 – President Bush appears to be losing support among a key group of voters who had hitherto stood firmly with the president even as his poll numbers among other groups fell dramatically.
A new Gallup poll shows that, for the first time, Bush’s approval rating has fallen below 50% among total fucking morons, and now stands at 44%. This represents a dramatic drop compared to a poll taken just last December, when 62% of total fucking morons expressed support for the president and his policies.
The current poll, conducted by phone with 1,409 total fucking morons between May 4 and May 8, reveals that only 44% of those polled believe the president is doing a good job, while 27% believe he is doing a poor job and 29% don’t understand the question.
The December poll, conducted by phone with 1,530 total fucking morons, showed 62% approved of the president, 7% disapproved and 31% didn’t understand the question.
Faltering approval ratings for the president among a group once thought to be a reliable source of loyal support gives Republicans one more reason to be nervous about the upcoming mid-term elections. “If we can’t depend on the support of total fucking morons,” says Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), “then we’ve got a big problem. They’re a key factor in our electoral strategy, and an important part of today’s Republican coalition.”
Current war criminal and future inmate George Bush gets BITCH SLAPPED by the supremes.
Prof, we’ve recently had a local court scandal here, when it turned out that the interpreter who’d done a large number of our trials for years actually speaks piss-poor Spanish (just quickly enough to fool, among other defense attorneys, me). The case that busted her: a ferncutter who pled to copping a cooler from the back of a truck got sentenced for stealing the whole truck — and of course nearly fainted at sentencing when he heard “20 years.”
Christy -
Here’s a link to the PDF file for the Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld opinion: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/…..05-184.pdf
one of the leaders of the Southern GOP attack on the Voting Rights Act was Westmoreland, the pro-10-Commandments dude who could name only 3 when challenged by Colbert. Yup, that guy !
From Reuters:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – In a major defeat for the Bush administration, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the military tribunal for a Guantanamo prisoner cannot proceed because it violates the Geneva Conventions.
“We conclude that the military commission convened to try (Salim Ahmed) Hamdan lacks power to proceed because its structure and procedures violate” the international agreement that covers treatment of prisoners of war, as well as U.S. military laws, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the court majority in the 5-3 decision.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..court_dc_2
Wonder if the Hamden ruling opens up Bush to the war criminal tribunal? Oh, I guess I’m getting ahead of myself.
Hope – hope you’re doing well. Good to see you here.
I’m off to do errands and will be back later to read all of your fantastic insights and opinions.
Hamdam v. Rumsfeld
5-3, and would have been 5-4 probably if ROBERTS had voted. So we are hanging by a thread. But at least we are still in a slim majority.
Stevens is in his late 80s, however.
STEVENS, J., announced the judgment of the Court and delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I through IV, VI through VI-D-iii, VI-D-v, and VII, in which KENNEDY, SOUTER, GINSBURG, and BREYER, JJ., joined,
and an opinion with respect to Parts V and VI-D-iv, in which SOUTER, GINSBURG, and BREYER, JJ., joined.
BREYER, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which KENNEDY, SOUTER, and GINSBURG, JJ., joined.
KENNEDY, J., filed an opinion concurring in part, in which SOUTER, GINSBURG, and BREYER, JJ., joined as to Parts I and II.
SCALIA, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which THOMAS and ALITO, JJ., joined.
THOMAS, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which SCALIA, J., joined, and in which ALITO, J., joined as to all but Parts I, II-C-1, and III-B-2.
ALITO, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which SCALIA and THOMAS, JJ., joined as to Parts I through III.
ROBERTS, C. J., took no part in the consideration or decision of the case.
There is Domestic law,
and there is international law.
There is no “third category”,
AND THERE CAN BE NONE!!!
- the Supremes
Zergle says
June 29th, 2006 at 8:17 am
Oops – I should have refreshed this thread before I sent my 8:23 comments.
Christy,
As you prep your Hamden post for later, would you also include a few words about how dangerously close to total Unitary Executive tyranny we are with another death/retirement on the Supremes?
If the Cheney Administration gets one more shot at appointing a Supreme like Scalia, Thomas or Alito (and perhaps Roberts), we’ll have no “last hope” against the evil these wingnuts intend!
Speaking of intimidation, that is what Ken Blackwell is seeking to accomplish in Ohio (again):
Because the changes in election law require voter-registration forms to be delivered to election officials within 10 days by the person who collected them, critics say Blackwell’s rule will prevent groups from collecting and submitting registration forms en masse.
The penalty for anyone who violates the statute by personally failing to deliver forms to election officials is a fifth-degree felony punishable by up to six months in jail, so the controversy already is having a “chilling” effect on voter-registration drives, critics say.
http://www.dispatch.com/?story…..B1-04.html
What does it say about a political party which goes to such lengths to take away the right to vote, instead of clearing the path for all who are legally eligible to vote to do so?
America does not just belong to those elected to office; it belongs to all citizens – we are America.
That being said, too many citizens fail to exercise their right to vote; I would respectfully assert that voting should really be viewed as a responsibility of all citizens for the privilege to continue to live in a free society. That’s the speech my kids heard every election where they accompanied me and my husband to the voting booth. I guess kids do pay attention to the things their parents say: both girls registered at 18, and both vote.
“Trial by military commission raises separation-of-powers concerns of the highest order,” Kennedy wrote in his separate opinion. “Concentration of power (in the executive branch) puts personal liberty in peril of arbitrary action by officials, an incursion the Constitution’s three-part system is designed to avoid.”
TeddySanFran –
But the Voting Rights Act is not settled law, that’s why it has come up for renewal.
It’s my understanding that in 1965, section 4, which deals with literacy issues (among others), was renewed for only 25 years.
What I don’t understand id why the Voting Rights Act has not been adopted as an ammendment to the constitution.
As somebody said the other day, let’s all send vitamins to Justice Stevens!
One of the hero navy attorneys on MSNBC now.
Redd,
Surprisingly, there is no “Right to vote” in our constitution.
Of the 191 recognized democracies in the world, only 11 have no right to vote in their constitution. We are among those 11.
That’s why we have this patchwork of state voting laws where I may be eligible in one state but not eligible in another.
“It’s a rebuke and a return to our values”
Commander Swift.
Bush salivating over Koizumi yet again.
Bush is on the tv still looking like an idiot
Mary -
Going back to your 8:05 comments about the AUMF in the prior thread, I found this on ThinkProgress:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..retapping/
Read Mark Crispin Miller’s book, Fooled Again.
IMO,this is part of the larger (so far very successful)huge web of horrid corruption being used to steal elections.I know,I know,that’s met with skeptical whispers of questions to my mental health status by some,but between Miller’s book and reading the Conyer’s Report on what went wrong in Ohio in 2004,it’s really hard not to think this is just one limb of a many armed monster that’s on the loose.
In addition to being a poll watcher,it’s incredibly important to also know the laws and rules surrounding voting.Many people have been disenfranchised because officals outright lied to them(not to mention political operatives posing as officials)or gave then lousy information.
What I don’t understand is why laws surrounding voting aren’t uniform around the entire country.It just seems like the whole thing is WAY more complicated(on purpose?)than it really ever needed to be.
w- thanks for opening up the Japanese market to Murkan beef– i think they’ll like the taste of murkan beef. I had a piece last nite and you did too and you look like you are feeling pretty good. heh.
Tom__Chicago at 33 …that needed a beverage alert
*getting towels to wipe coffee off monitor*
Bush: “I’ve brought the American Democracy to its knees and nearly destroyed civil liberties!! I’m going to Graceland!!”
what kind of a regime would kidnap people? (talking about N. Korea)
Your administration does it all the time, W.
A post on ePluribusMedia shows that the anti-bilingual ballot letter opposing renewal of the VRA, purportedly written by Rep. Peter King and signed by 79 reps, was actually written, according to the Word document info, by a “KC McAlpin” of the anti-immigration advocacy group “NumbersUSA.” NumbersUSA is one of a number of groups created or funded by John Tanton, a promoter of racist and religiously bigoted anti-immigrant philosophies. Several of his other groups have been identified as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
w: the Japanese troops are going home and they are going home cause they did such a good job in Iraq.
How about our troops– can they come home too?
for years now, one of my tasks in Indianapolis just before election day is to design and printout flyers for ward chairs to distribute door-to-door in some Black precincts coz the GOP-controlled Election Board tends to have sudden, last-minute changes of voting locations in Black precincts … funny how that works, isn’t it?
Koizumi RILLY needs a new barber.
Canada is a country that is bilingual. That does not seem a hindrance to the political discourse. As the percentage of Spanish speaking citizens increases, it should only be natural to have Spanish as a second language here in the US. It would be desireable for Americans to be exposed to the language and culture of our southern neighbors.
The people insisting on “English only” probably are the ones who lack the intelligence to learn a second language and culture. Just goes to show how stupid the wingnuts are.
W saying “this ruling will not make us put killers back on the streets”
does Bush have an earpiece in his right ear?
W has not had time to review the SCOTUS decision–
there is a way forward to work with Congress and have military tribunals.
no killers in the streets, though. phew.
This right after he waxed emotional about “almost weeping when hearing the story of the girl who was abducted to north korea” … odd, seems we’ve been abducting people to guantanomo and secret prisons
He’s saying that “we take the decision seriously but we’ll find a way forward.”
I apologize to any and all who saw my diary on DKos go up. I wrote it in the wee hours and when I was writing about the fundraising successes for the Kissell campaign I initially failed to include the generosity shown here on Saturday.
I am so embarrassed. I have updated the post to include the links and links to the excellent post Howie has at Down With Tyranny.
Now that I have admitted my shame I will let you know that a backyard fundraiser held last night in Chapel Hill brought in $25,000 for Larry Kissell. There’s another fundraiser tomorrow.
Thank you again for all that you have done to support our NC candidates. I’m sorry for this off topic post.
Here’s that story on Trent Lott’s plans to come back to leadership. As MINORITY Leader, if we play our cards right.
hey angie!!!!
have to go into my office though I’m on vacation and very irritated given I’d rather watch the news and cspan today …grrrr
An Angry Old Broad at 55:
What I don’t understand is why laws surrounding voting aren’t uniform around the entire country.It just seems like the whole thing is WAY more complicated(on purpose?)than it really ever needed to be.
There’s a strong argument that the complexity of our voting process, and the complexity of the multiple levels of government we vote for, is the main cause of our low voter participation rates. (Which aren’t actually declining, contrary to the breathless news reports every election.)
Of course, you’ll never hear about that in a news story about participation. Much easier to bitch about how apathetic people are than to examine the differences between us and countries with higher participation, and consider that there might be a reason that could be fixed.
(Though honestly, I don’t think it’s overcomplicated on purpose. I think it’s just every level jealously guarding their authority, sometimes for nefarious ends, and more often to protect against the real or imagined nefarious ends of some other level of government, and most often from simple inertia.)
in some parts of the USA like south Texas, perfectly legitimate long-time and native-born citizens speak almost entirely Spanish. It’s not necessarily a matter of immigration — the USA annexed Spanish-speakers (Texas, California, Arizona, etc) and the local culture never picked up the conquering language.
I have some neighbors originally from South Texas. The grandparents can barely speak English, their kids speak both Spanish and English with heavy accents but the grandkids all speak Hoosier…
angie – I heard Rachel Maddow this morning on Air America saying that Bush and Koizumi are like 2 twelve-year old girls; said she expected they had those folded-paper things with messages written under the folds – you know, that you open and close to a rhyme and then pick a fold to peek under {”I love you!” “You are my friend” “Be Mine Forever”).
Gave me something to laugh about in the car on the way to work this morning!
Anne @ 74 – They’re called Cootie Catchers. :)
Net Neutrality just went down in an 11-11 vote.
Bush getting testy now about the SCOTUS decision and the questions…
YouTube has a lot of potential as a political device. We can showcase the wingnuts at their worst, and also feature the good guys like David Scott.
There will never be Voting Rights until the disenfranchisement of former felons, who have paid their debt, is ended—one of the few good bills that Hillary has introduced lately.
yeah Old Coastie – he’s a commentererer eh?
64 Titanyum – not sure I’d point to Canada’s bilingualism as a model given the feelings of the Quebecois! just sayin’ ;->
IANAL. Does Justice Breyer’s citing of the Geneva Conventions open up the Bush Administration to charges of war crimes?
rat bastahd — Sen. Wyden slapped a hold on it, so it’s parked unless and until they add the Snowe-Dorgan protections into the bill.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/arti…..29/NET.TMP
oLD cOASTIE at 77
You’d get testy too if no one had told you what to say yet…
*ilson, another such area is Miami-Dade County, chock-full of GOP-supporting Cubans who also live exclusively en espagnol. (Of course, as the old folks die out, more of the Miami-born Cubans are going Dem.)
Redshift,I think you’re right about the system’s little cogs all wanting to protect their territory,to some degree.
I’d also add that I think the Sec of State’s offices in every state need to be looked at closer.Sec of State anywhere should not even be allowed NEAR a political campaign let alone be the chairman of that campaign to get a candidate into office.Either that or remove the responibility for elections from that office.
I don’t know what the answer is,but maybe we could start with going back to the older and more tried and true ways proceedure wise.
“Chiro” getting testy now – “that is *NOT* what I said” (emph the translator?) that US Japan friendship is the most important.
hmmmm…. Chiro – not so sure you want to be best friends anymore?
hey siun!
LOL Anne– thanks for sharing! I bet they exchange purses and draw cutsie little things on their correspondances. His old best friend Puti- Put is miffed and not invited to the slumber parties anymore.
Thanks Christy and Sen. Wyden!
B.Muse — helluva Chapel Hill backyard fundraiser for Kissell! That’s terrific news, it sounds like people really opened their wallets. Hope your next one goes well too. It was great to have Larry participate last Saturday, and your convention blogging was fun as well.
IMO, campaign reports about our progressive candidates around the nation are never OfT, just a pleasant and welcome jump away from the current comment thread. Keep up the good work in NC!
I just popped in. Can I get a little more info on the Net Neutrality vote?
(Note to Christy. If the peanut likes Spirited Away, you’ve got to check out Howl’s Moving Castle. Made by the same people. Just as wonderful. Could be a bit scary.)
Also, what the heck’s going on with Plamegate? Is Fitz on vacation, because I can’t help noticing the veep isn’t in a maximum security pen wearing a hannibal lecter mask.
Lately, it looks like Puti’s going for the younger stuff, from that creepy clip on Countdown last night. Bet that pisses off W, who realizes he’s aged out of his former BFF’s demographic….
Anjinsan at 90 — We have it. I think Howl’s may be a bit ahead of her age, but we have just about every Miyazake. (I’m also a huge fan — his storytelling and artwork are amazing.)
And I have some Libby news for later today, if I can get a chance to finish my article. (Certain small people have not yet gone down for a nap…)
in Indiana, the Secretary of State is a prize elective political plum precisely because it administers elections … it was Evan Bayh’s first elected office before he became Governor …
naschkatze, taking the liberty to repost Peterr’s post from the prior thread:
>>>>>>>>>>
Peterr says:
June 29th, 2006 at 8:01 am
Marty Lederman at SCOTUSBlog (a generally non-ideological legal blog) has this in his fast reading of the opinions:
More importantly, the Court held that Common Article 3 of Geneva aplies as a matter of treaty obligation to the conflict against Al Qaeda. That is the HUGE part of today’s ruling. The commissions are the least of it. This basically resolves the debate about interrogation techniques, because Common Article 3 provides that detained persons “shall in all circumstances be treated humanely,” and that “[t]o this end,” certain specified acts “are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever”-including “cruel treatment and torture,” and “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” This standard, not limited to the restrictions of the due process clause, is much more restrictive than even the McCain Amendment. See my further discussion here.
This almost certainly means that the CIA’s interrogation regime is unlawful, and indeed, that many techniques the Administation has been using, such as waterboarding and hypothermia (and others) violate the War Crimes Act (because violations of Common Article 3 are deemed war crimes).
If I’m right about this, it’s enormously significant.
The emphasis is Marty’s, but the sentiments are Justice Stevens.
And mine.
Redshift – in Maryland the legislature approved early voting, which allows voting to start one week before both the primary and general elections, and this should increase voter participation. Our GOP governor, who is facing a nasty race that may be close, vetoed the legislation, but had his veto overridden. His office then led the effort for a petition drive to bring the issue to referendum. The drive failed, and did not get enough signatures even to meet the threshold for appeal, so that is supposedly the end of that effort. We’ll see.
BMuse – Cootie Catchers is what we called them, too, but I didn’t think anyone else would know what I was talking about!
Net neutrality committee action, h/t Talking Points Memo:
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6089197.html
Do “holds” last 60 days? Can Dem senators just slap sequential 60-day holds on stuff?
CNN international – pres has to take this seriously – pres said they are already pouring over the ruling and will maybe find a way to get congress to fix this.
Court said Geneva Convention so why does W need anything else?
hmmmmm …. To the Hague?!
… big West Coast bear voice:
{{{{{{{{{{{{{ NAP, CHILD! }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
*g*
Just got back from vacation. Doesn’t appear to have been much change in the overall political picture- with four months to go.
Missouri Senate appears to be moving a bit in the gooper direction as does Ohio Senate. Virginia race tightening as is Tennessee. Odds for dems taking the senate remain long- but not impossible. New Jersey and Minnesota are best opportunities for gooper takeovers- but dems have leads in both races.
Most probable outcome seems to be a dem net gain of two to three seats- with goopers retaining control
Situation in the house seems unchanged- dems still have a decent chance of taking over the house- but this is far from a forgone conclusion.
The future of the house will be effected by the new suprmeme court ruling that allows for redistricting at will. Dems and goopers will BOTH do redistricting before 2008 in all states where they have gained control since the last redistricting. This favors dems by a few seats on the face of it- but today’s newspaper suggests that in order to take advantage of the change- dems would need to change some districts that are currently safe minority seats to seats that are safe “dem” but not necessarily
“safe minority”. Author speculates that dems won’t be able to pull off theses changes as they would anger minority dems.
GW Clusterfuck seems to be up from the low thirties to the high thirties in most polls. It’s not clear if he’s got momentum going or if he’s going to flatten out. I’m betting on “flattens out”- but we’ll see.
Not a good day at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…
LA Times/Bloomburg Poll today shows Bush admin making zero headway trying to convince America that the economy is just fine, thank you. In fact, opinion is heading south slightly.
Anne @ 95 – They even write “how to” books and have kits for them now. My daughters loved them at one time.
TeddySanFran @ 89 – Thank you. We are excited. I just felt awful at failing initially to mention the wonderful people here.
what’s really going on in iraq from darh jamail.
permanent bases for the oil industry.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062806A.shtml
CNN – Pentagon was planning briefings with the assumption that SCOTUS would back them up …
now they are pouring over the ruling.
Jaime M says this puts the detainees in limbo.
Christy, I enjoyed reading about your experience at school with a black room mate and your being from the south. I remember when integration was just getting started with bussing kids from different neighborhoods away for quotos. One of the hardest places was Boston. There are pockets of racism all over the country. It isn’t just southern. There are pockets in the south that aren’t racist as well. I just read a letter from Cynthia Mckinny asking for money for her campaign. She said she had 1,000 people stationed at the polls last election to make sure the day began with a zero count on the election machines. That won’t be allowed in Ga. in her next election. So, the screws are tightening, despite publicity for fair elections. The fact that she wins in Georgia is interesting, to me.
So is Clusterfuck pissed that he has to have REAL TRIALS for his gitmo boys? It’s indecent!
Tom Chicago – the Dahr piece is very important! did you see that Dahr is raising money to go back again … worth sending him some love for the amazing reporting he does.
If the voting rights act is not renewed, then it is not illegal to do all the tampering that the Republicans have been taken to court on–things like caging lists, ruling that voters are “illegally registered” in order to challenge their votes, and all the rest.
Now that we have become aware of all of this stuff, this is their next manipulation, or “movida” as we call it here (NM). It is a requirement of our state constitution that ballots are presented in Spanish and English. Because, well, we basically STOLE our state from Mexico back in the day.
HEY, rwc — been wondering where you were! Good vacation, I hope?
So OT, but let’s have a laff:
If the Cheney Administration gets one more shot at appointing a Supreme like Scalia, Thomas or Alito (and perhaps Roberts), we’ll have no “last hope” against the evil these wingnuts intend!
The depressing thing is that Bush could nominate an Alito clone to replace one of the most liberal justices, and half the Dems wouldn’t even bat an eyelash (or else be paralyzed by fear of the nuclear option).
This notion that the president is simply entitled to whatever judges he wants, and filibusters are like cheating, has *got* to be destroyed – the stakes are too high when you’re talking lifetime appointments.
And the Dems need to start saying, loud and clear, the Republicans are against democracy. It’s that simple, and there’s an embarrassment of evidence.
May I please interject something that got EPU’d on previous thread?
Sorry to jump in OT, but I’m really steamed on this issue, & can’t see a more appropriate thread. Forgive me, lest my head explode if I don’t unload here.
I recently had written our senators (OH – oogh) about Net Neutrality. DeWine is on the Commerce Comm., & running for re-election (currently behind in the polls, trailing Dem. Sherrod Brown).
Just today I received a “reply” of sorts from DeWine, supposedly addressing the issue of Net Neutrality, but sounding more like a big jumble of teleGoliath “talking points” cobbled together in no particular order, and avoiding any direct mention of where he stood on the issue.
I fired off a reply to him (copy below), and would strongly urge other Ohioans to join me in holding his feet to the fire! PLEASE, anyone, everyone, contact your senators %u2014 They can’t be allowed take our Net Neutrality without a fight!
p.s., Sen. Cantwell has started a petition on the issue also. Go thou & sign, pretty-please, ;-> (in fact I used 2 excellently-worded paragraphs from Cantwell’s petition message in the letter below).
%u2014%u2014%u2014%u2014%u2014%u2014%u2014%u2014%u2014
Dear Senator DeWine:
Why are you unable to come right out and make clear your position on Net Neutrality?
Are you afraid you will be seen as favoring giant telecoms over the whole rest of the nation, short-changing schools, universities, libraries and small businesses, short-changing anyone else who wants to communicate, do research or conduct business on the Internet, and use what they’ve already paid for?
[snip]
Net neutrality is a simple concept – it has enabled equal access to the Internet to spread ideas, develop commerce, and build movements online without financial discrimination from the companies controlling the Internet.
But now special interests are asking Congress to end the openness and freedom that built the Internet. Large telecommunication companies want to create a two-tiered Internet, unfairly favoring those who will pay top dollar to guarantee their online content gets priority over those who can’t pay.
Your own willingness to state openly what your position is on this issue, Senator DeWine, is of particular importance this year, considering the upcoming election.
Sincerely, ____________
rwc – he thinks he doesn’t need to have real trials, he’s just going to find a way to get congress to let him do what he wants …
this is the interpretation by CNN of his comments.
so now we will see if we have a SCOTUS with any power at all …. what happens if he just ignores them? what does congress do if he simply tries to make this all ok?
TeddySanFran: Got it. Major Sigh. Been scrolling up on the comments. Looks like a lot is happening today. I almost wish I didn’t have to work.
Love that Miyazaki stuff. Of all the anime I’ve seen, those are the ones I come back to watch time and time again.
Y’all FDL folk have a great day :)
Adie – my mistake in thinking that the amendment would still have a chance on the floor. So many things to stay on top of that this one got away from me.
I have about as much faith in the consumer bill of rights included in the telecom bill as I did in consumer rights provisions in credit card and bankruptcy legislation, which is to say, none.
Your letter was great. I’ve written to both of my Senators, neither of whom was on the commerce committee, and both responded by saying they, too, were concerned about net neutrality.
siun – I’m with you – I think Bush will try to find a way to simply go around the ruling… can’t have the court telling him what to do!
Naps: hoo boy, you are entering “no nap!” time in your life. Try singing to the small one. Might work. Could start swim programs, that worked for us for half a year, wear her out in the morning for an afternoon nap; now we have an awesome seven year-old swimer on our hands, which, on the downside, means we have to go to swim meets on weekends. Ugh, it’s like watching paint dry.
This thread triggered off some questions about compulsory voting and I found this. Humm.. many countries have compulsory voting in one form or another.
http://www.australianpolitics……sory.shtml
OT but was the imminent N. Korean missile launch a hoax?
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002543.html
(per ThinkProgress)
And thanks Stephen Parrish for the link at 54 re the AUMF. Very interesting.
Given the scotus 5-3 decision against Gitmo and upholding geneva. The administration and cabinet are now prosecutable on war crimes violations under Geneva. Any lawyerly takers in the Firedoglake world who want to file the first petitions?
Seems like its time for the old billmon number
Scenes we’d like to see
I think Bush will try to find a way to simply go around the ruling cant have the court telling him what to do!
Make that Cheney can’t have a court telling him what to do.
Tom Chicago and everyone – rather than using Truthout to read Dahr, you can get his dispatches sent directly to you and a lot of other important info by going to his site:
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/
I would so love to see someone file a prosecution on gitmo under geneva convention – can we do that?
omg, Gwen Ifill is describing access journalism at its best in her chat, as she smacks down one questioner after another who supposes that reporters might “get cross” with the President when they ask questions, a la European journos.
sad but funny, kind of like watching an almost extinct species flail about for her last serving of cocktail wienies.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00469.html
Ooop, I forgot to add an * where needed to avoid moderation. If you’ve missed 108 as a result of my faux pas, run back up there for a quick giggle.
ok … off to the office … see you all later
marksb – your “watching paint dry” comment is how my husband used to feel when our younger daughter was on the horse show circuit and he had to watch 20 or 30 riders jump the same course twice, and then all go into the ring together to be judged “on the flat” (walk, trot canter). He was lucky that he only came to watch occasionally, while I was the “horse-show mom” getting up in the wee hours to accompany her and her horse to shows that would not end until after dark. On the bright side, it was a great bonding experience, and kept her out of the malls and busy in the barn during what is often the worst part of the teenage years.
lotus- yeah it was nice- got to see my 22 month old grand daughter- a once a year event. She’s great!
Didn’t pay any attention at all to politics- with no adverse effects either for me or for politics. Maybe there’s a message there.
Yeh, rwc, the only adverse effects were ours — we missed you.
… and I was chat-pimping Gwen Ifill before she took my “Barbara vs. Star” question, a question she says she LOVES (Gwen’s all-caps!)
sad but funny, kind of like watching an almost extinct species flail about for her last serving of cocktail wienies.
The only sad part is the “almost”.
I have suggested elsewhere that it would behoove the Dems to consult with some popular high school girls on how to throw the AWESOMEST parties that EVERYBODY simply HAS to be invited to or they’ll just DIE.
#108 Lotus.
I guess that brings new meaning to the phrase: “All rise” as the judge enters the courtroom.
-GSD
Stephen CPA – yep, the AUMF (and notice the “assuming” nonsense)is getting reined in – (or in this admin maybe that should be reigned in). I have been tied up doing horse and home stuff and now am on my way to work to do work stuff, so I did the fastest of takes, but it’s going to be an interesting set.
Tonight I’m getting all my thank yous together.
The now-cancelled WB series “Popular” seems a terrific preview of our current system of Unitary Executive Worship.
Here’s something simple everyone can do today: find out when is the deadline for registering to vote.
Christy at 82:
THANKYOU! for the followup on net neutrality/Wyden’s “hold”, & the link.
I hadn’t heard about that, & missed that post before. I’ll try to calm down, I suppose. But I ain’t happy!
Also, ahem. I promise not to use dashes again in comments. With my over-the-top thingie at 110, I finally realized what they translate into – duh.
Nevertheless, just have ta’ try one thing:
%u2014%u2014%u2014
huh! uuuhhh, okay I guess . . .
NYT and WaPo on Hamdan.
as for the SCOTUS decision, why do i have a feeling that Darth Cheney will just paraphrase Stalin. “SCOTUS? How many divisions have they got?”
good one Teddy!
I was amazed at Fletcher’s stumping for the administration this am. Needless to say, he did not take my question.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..nav=topnav
Rick Santorum on MSNBC pimping himself along with the flooding in PA. Classy.
Anybody close enough to trip him, Christy?
Re: The Supremes on Gitmo -
5 to 3, with Roberts in recusal. Woulda otherwise surely been 5 to 4.
Underscores the importance of the next vacant seat, ‘eh? Another Strip Search Sammy, and a shitload of critical decisions go 5-4 the other way.
I would say the Mid-Terms stakes could not be higher.
Lotus — oh, please. He’s safe talking from the Hill. As if he’d be out there hefting sandbags or making himself immediately useful…
… whispering SF bear asks:
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ RH returns; has the peanut’s nap begun? }}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Truly, how foolish of me.
(hangs head in chagrin)
Lookit Teddy tippy-toe! Ah, to be that graceful.
rwcole,
welcome home, glad you and mrs cole had a good time with the grandbaby
am sure Chimpy has already asked for the signing statement paperwork for Hamdan decision
Teddy — one can hope. But I’ve learned not to start even thinking about it until she’s sleeping for sure. At the moment, the best I have is some flipping sounds on the monitor as she looks at a picture book in bed. Here’s hoping…
Why does Ricky care? He doesn’t live in PA… wait, is Leesburg flooded too?
Glenn Greenwald has chimed in on the decision:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/
Dadhusker 79—Amen.
Plus, in Ohio, people were wrongly told they couldn’t vote because they had at one time been in prison. I told them they could and they were scared to try. Didn’t want to come to the attention of the authorities again, I think.
Nina Katarina says:
June 29th, 2006 at 8:14 am
You know, we go to a great deal of trouble to make sure people who cannot read a ballot for other reasons are able to vote. Illiterates, the blind, the severely disabled – all are allowed to have helpers. Printing ballots in other prevalent languages is merely a way to satisfy the requirement that poll workers help every citizen who shows up to vote.
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Even here in Texas, the blind can get audio ballots. My partner (who is blind) just plugs in the voting machine with no trouble at all.
remember: AUMF = Adios, you m*****-f*****s
Gooper Values Update -
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EDINBURG, Texas (AP) — A political consultant whose company was behind a television ad accusing the Clinton-Gore administration of giving away nuclear technology was convicted of child molestation charges.
A jury deliberated almost two days before convicting Carey Lee Cramer, 44, of aggravated sexual assault of a child, two counts of indecency with a child by contact and one count of indecency with a child by exposure. He was cleared of nine other charges Tuesday.
The sentencing phase of the trial was scheduled to begin Wednesday. Cramer faces up to 149 years in prison.
Cramer gained national attention during the 2000 presidential election when his company created the ad that accused the administration of giving nuclear technology to China in exchange for campaign contributions…
siun says:
June 29th, 2006 at 9:08 am
CNN – Pentagon was planning briefings with the assumption that SCOTUS would back them up %u2026
now they are pouring over the ruling.
Jaime M says this puts the detainees in limbo.
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A semantic point: This does not PUT the detainees in limbo, as they’ve already been in limbo for years.
CNN – who is this white haired guy? is the new wingnut meme on the Supreme Court ruling going to be that is ruling is the equivalent of suddenly just releasing all those dangerous, dangerous criminals?
somehow a legit trial is radical? and sure to fail?
just caught Neal Katyal – Hamdan’s Atty on CNN – he doesn’t look old enough for L School – and he’s talking about his students ???
kinda reminds me of circumstances for both
Roe and Larry Flynt – first arguments before SCOTUS – YEAY !!!
This is a drive by and if it has already been posted, I apologize:
THE SUPREME COURT RULEAD AGAINST BUSHCO IN the HAMDEN CASE!!!!!!
More from ABC news at :
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics…..id=2133924
WHOOOOOHEEEEEE!!!
The risk to the surpreme court has always been the most permanent threat of this administration. GW Clusterfuck probably has a better than even chance of naming another justice. If he does, it will certainly be a conservative.
HOW conservative the presumed new justice might be will depend on:
1) Do the dems take over the senate this year? If they DO then Clusterfuck will have to tone down the nomination. (of course there is an outside chance of an opening BEFORE the elections- but the dems should be able to at least drag their feet in that event).
2)How late in his term does the opening occur? Once he hits the “one year left” mark- his power will be VERY low- and dems might be able to “beat the clock” by dragging out hearings- and eventually fillibustering a nominee. That could eat up six months or so and make it impossible for him to get a replacement confirmed. It would be a factor in his choice of a nominee- perhaps leading him to nominate a person who will not be attacked- a more moderate voice.
It’s all politics- and the political calculations will be primary in determining who gets picked.
…is the new wingnut meme on the Supreme Court ruling going to be that is ruling is the equivalent of suddenly just releasing all those dangerous, dangerous criminals?”
______
Absolutely, I would think. Recall that all of these people are 50 feet tall, with razor-sharp fanged teeth, and grizzly claws for fingernails. Their bodies are radioactive, and they piss sulfuric acid. Just ONE of them set loose could take out an entire US SMA.
Oh and his new co workers just gave chief Justice Roberts a big ole’ “up your’s buddy” by flatly contradicting Roberts Circuit Court decision.
I can’t wait to read the decision itself. I predict another Christ Harden Smith special legal decision deconstruction in our future.
Have fun Redd
Underscores the importance of the next vacant seat, ‘eh? Another Strip Search Sammy, and a shitload of critical decisions go 5-4 the other way.
I would say the Mid-Terms stakes could not be higher.
But how many seats do the dems need in order to be assured of at least 51 Nays on the next Alito?
This is not a facetious question.
lhp — yeah, it makes me wonder how today’s SCOTUS cafeteria arrangements are working out. Do you think the Justices are sitting at two tables, 5-4? Somehow, I remember junior high when I conjure the rejection of Roberts’ appellate ruling, especially after all his talk lately about the value of unanimity on crucial issues.
Not so much on Hamdan.
My fave passage from Glenn (so far):
re-link to Glenn, especially since we’re excerpting now….
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..html#links
BMuse, thanks for the update – great news on Larry’s fundraiser! Please do keep us posted.
Quick snip from Glenn’s comments on Hamdan:
Very, very good news. But, as Glenn also goes on to say, and as others here have already pointed out, we absolutely cannot afford another right-wing extremist on the Court. So let’s all [continue] get[ting] off our duffs, and do whatever we can to elect Democrats in November.
CNN.com is polling on whether the maladministration is overstepping its legal bounds in the GWOT. It’s running about 65 percent yes
Haven’t read the supreme court decision yet- but Bryer’s opinion suggests that the court would be OK with military trials if congress concurs.
That suggests that goopers will likely try to ram such an authorization through before the elections and dare the dems to fight them on a national security issue.
Clusterfuck would, I suppose, say that his hands are tied until congress acts.
If it were to come to an up or down vote- with no fillibuster- I expect that such a bill would pass.
Can’t find that CNN poll on their homepage, PJE. Got a linky?
Based on Glenn’s writing this morning, it looks like the Court gave Congress back its balls – now we’ll have to see if it knows what to do with them.
Congress will NOT cross Clusterfuck on an issue involving terrorism. I think we can take that one to the bank.
Clusterfuck is still able to scare enough voters with 9/11 for there to be any sanity in congressional action.
cnn homepage, scroll down and on the right side of:
http://www.cnn.com/
Is it my imagination or are some of the news/media sources actually getting a few more things right these days?
Maybe it’s just my imagination, but I think I’m seeing just a wee less Bush butt-kissing.
Thanks, Teddy — “Yes” now up to 69%.
Excuse me, Justice Scalia?
VAFANCULO!
Poll is up to 69%
Louise Slaughter on the floor wrt the Times Res.
Leslie in CA – Thank you and I will. I have a lot of conservative friends who are planning to vote for Democrats this year. They are moderates, but usually vote Republican. I do feel a change in the wind.
Busted 174
??
Hah– Slaughter calls bush out as the leaker! He and every top republican have spoken about this stuff for 5 years!!!!!!!
Bushco leaked the name of a covert CIA agent and the NIE to the NYT! This is the height of hypocrisy.
go, Louise.
Louise blasting Bush on Plame/NIE leaks!
Teddy,
The fingers under the chin sign that Scalia did.
What I would like to know it what happens now with regard to those held in Guantanamo. How much and how long can Bush and Rumsfeld drag their feet on deciding about what to do, if anything? If habeas corpus requests have been suspended, where does that leave the prisoners?
And why is all of this so hard? Liberals like myself have said from the beginning take them, try them, and throw the book at them. I think most Americans agree with this approach. Now I wonder after all the time that has passed and all the government’s misbehavior in the treatment of these prisoners (torture comes to mind) if the government can mount legitimate cases against any of them.
Louise is hitting ALL points on ALL cylinders — WOWF!
…and who does Larry King of CNN have tonight after this day of momentous news? Star Jones-Reynolds whining about a TV show!
“And why is all of this so hard? Liberals like myself have said from the beginning take them, try them, and throw the book at them.”
_____________
Uh, well, like maybe because we tortured many of them, and that shit would be WAY inconvenient to come out at trial.
BTW, O/T -
Global Warming caused by humans is utter fucking crap. End of story. Eminent geo/meteorological/bioscientist John Stossel told us so on Joe Scarborough last night. Case closed.
Now, back to Star Jones and the naked Britney Spears.
I missed the previous thread on the NYT resolution, but we need to understand the way the WH noise machine works. The WH is not out to get the Times. The WH still needs the Times and other Lapdog press to spread its disinformation. Hence, the big news that the Times credentials will not be withdrawn, hehehe.
It is just using the Times as a convenient whipping boy to rally their disaffected base. There is nothing like dumping on a so-called bastion of the “liberal press” to get the nutters riled up, and this is what is going on. Of course, this is all timed to get rolling as we approach the November elections. If we understand this, than we can perhaps save ourselves from a stroke or at least a puke session.
Congress’s role in all this is just being the WH whore.
The sum total of the effect of all this is going to be…not so much and more of the same.
new thread —- Libby trial delayed !
We need to dare W to try the Times for treason.
Seriously, let’s get them into court. Right now. The sooner the better. As KeithO said several times over this issue the last few days, this NEVER turns out well for Presidents.
So, I’m with the wingers on this. Haul Keller in front of a judge. Let’s get this settled (again….)
James McGovern is GO OFF (in a good way…) CSPAN
McGovern cites Plame/ Casey’s plan for troop reductions/ nonexistant WMDs all leaked by sr admin to the NYT.
For the leadership, oversight is a 4 letter word.
going off…
sorry
BobbyG #186
“Uh, well, like maybe because we tortured many of them, and that shit would be WAY inconvenient to come out at trial.”
Which is what I said.
Teddy, 190:”We need to dare W to try the Times for treason.”
Bush/Rove/Cheney/Gonzales have already decided not to bring charges against the Times, probably for the reason you say: No chance they can win. Plus it would be the WH against every non-rabid-right paper in the country. In any case any charges would not be treason, more likely disclosing classified information.
Besides, if they did they would also have to go after the WSJ, which, heaven forbid!
In a sense the WH may have overplayed their hand, for now the Mad Dogs of the Right are howling for crminal charges, and if Bush can’t deliver that, they will get down on him again. So far, his best shot is to get Congress to pass their stinking NYT resolution.
We live in insane times, folks, and this is lkely just the beginning. The American Dream has finally become a nightmare.
Please see what the ePluribus Media researchers unearthed here
about the Voting Rights Act stall and who may well be behind it. This makes the Trent Lott yard jockey look like a Boyscout prank. Seriously, the hatemongers who are behind this Big Stall are hideous-and yes, I have already called the Southern Poverty Law Center and have them on the case. Sorry about the long link-I don’t have my FDL legs just yet.
Good post. It really troubles me that this sort of bill still needs to be fought for. Of course, one of the people holfing it up is Lyn Westmoreland, the same idiot who wants to have the 10 commandments displayed in public buildings but struggled to name three of them! For shame, indeed.