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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Bill Clinton&#8217;s Fault</title>
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		<title>By: Bachmann v Wetterling &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The age of unreason</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-166849</link>
		<dc:creator>Bachmann v Wetterling &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The age of unreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] In one of the Lefty blogs I linked to yesterday, there was this statement. Have you further noticed who actually wins the national elections? […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] In one of the Lefty blogs I linked to yesterday, there was this statement. Have you further noticed who actually wins the national elections? […]</p>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-166788</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Clintonism (third way politics) and Clinton nostalgia (the desire for another charismatic Souther Clinton clone) is a serious problem for the party.  It keeps the party, including many progressives, looking backward, rather than forward based on a cold eyed assessment of the present.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s a big reason why I framed this the way I did.  Clinton is the past.  Progressives are about the future.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clintonism (third way politics) and Clinton nostalgia (the desire for another charismatic Souther Clinton clone) is a serious problem for the party.  It keeps the party, including many progressives, looking backward, rather than forward based on a cold eyed assessment of the present.</p>
<p>That’s a big reason why I framed this the way I did.  Clinton is the past.  Progressives are about the future.</p>
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		<title>By: gc_wall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-166289</link>
		<dc:creator>gc_wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When conformity is chosen it is freedom; when it is  ordered it is tyranny&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do people find it difficult to tolerate the intolerant?&lt;br /&gt;
Not often enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mainstream media: journalists look for favor from the establishment, and it does not make a difference to them whether it leans to the right or left, (it’s relatively safe to gamble on the winner,) but the corporate owners that they work for are right wing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When conformity is chosen it is freedom; when it is  ordered it is tyranny</p>
<p>Do people find it difficult to tolerate the intolerant?<br />
Not often enough.</p>
<p>Mainstream media: journalists look for favor from the establishment, and it does not make a difference to them whether it leans to the right or left, (it’s relatively safe to gamble on the winner,) but the corporate owners that they work for are right wing.</p>
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		<title>By: gc_wall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-165854</link>
		<dc:creator>gc_wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How far to the right are Americans supposed to go? Are we to move rightward so that in a decade we are all fascists and holy rollers? It isn’t as if the right wing has the answers to America’s problems. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reality is that they are forced to operate in secret and cover up their mistakes because the right wing movement is based almost entirely on deceit and illusion? They have  to spin the words of philosophers in order to make them agree with their peculiar and unacceptable point of view. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why do superstition and prejudice have to become acceptable in order for progressives to thrive? Where are the arguments that support the progressive point of view for civilization building? History supports this view, not the direction of the aggressive right wing barbarians motivated by a lust for power and and a need for superstition to manipulate the masses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The theocracy that America is fighting against has a right wing view of the world. As much as we are willing to fight it there, we must be willing to fight it here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How far to the right are Americans supposed to go? Are we to move rightward so that in a decade we are all fascists and holy rollers? It isn’t as if the right wing has the answers to America’s problems. </p>
<p>The reality is that they are forced to operate in secret and cover up their mistakes because the right wing movement is based almost entirely on deceit and illusion? They have  to spin the words of philosophers in order to make them agree with their peculiar and unacceptable point of view. </p>
<p>Why do superstition and prejudice have to become acceptable in order for progressives to thrive? Where are the arguments that support the progressive point of view for civilization building? History supports this view, not the direction of the aggressive right wing barbarians motivated by a lust for power and and a need for superstition to manipulate the masses.</p>
<p>The theocracy that America is fighting against has a right wing view of the world. As much as we are willing to fight it there, we must be willing to fight it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mix</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-165671</link>
		<dc:creator>Mix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I listened to this speech on my ipod and I must say, he did an AMAZING job and the most articulate job to date on explaining what needs to be done by progressives and religious people to bring them closer together. I think listening is believing in this instance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to this speech on my ipod and I must say, he did an AMAZING job and the most articulate job to date on explaining what needs to be done by progressives and religious people to bring them closer together. I think listening is believing in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: sigkp</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-165642</link>
		<dc:creator>sigkp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh yes…blame bill clinton…the only democrat to win the presidency since 1976..but let’s blame him! Brilliant. Hell, let’s blame Carter…didn’t he say “god” in public…oh yeah, and is the only Democrat in my life time to win a majority of the popular vote. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nah…let’s continue to embrace John Kerry and his 48%…that’s the ticket to victory!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes…blame bill clinton…the only democrat to win the presidency since 1976..but let’s blame him! Brilliant. Hell, let’s blame Carter…didn’t he say “god” in public…oh yeah, and is the only Democrat in my life time to win a majority of the popular vote. </p>
<p>Nah…let’s continue to embrace John Kerry and his 48%…that’s the ticket to victory!</p>
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		<title>By: Bachmann v Wetterling &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We&#8217;re pro-religion too, you #$%@ whackjob fundies</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-165529</link>
		<dc:creator>Bachmann v Wetterling &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We&#8217;re pro-religion too, you #$%@ whackjob fundies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Firedoglake tries to convince the faithful that I’m ok, you’re ok. First of all, there’s a very thriving religious left, thank you very much.  It’s absolutely false that Democrats and progressives disrespect or somehow fail to include people of faith. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Firedoglake tries to convince the faithful that I’m ok, you’re ok. First of all, there’s a very thriving religious left, thank you very much.  It’s absolutely false that Democrats and progressives disrespect or somehow fail to include people of faith. […]</p>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-165498</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DeanOR:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Different parts of a political movement perform different roles.  Statesmen speak as statesmen, though our right wing visitors (here to applaud Obama and the fruitless, self-defeating effort of progressives to court the right wing base)find many occasions to bash Gore for speaking bluntly.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We in this part of the ecosystem speak aggressively and build a movement that creates the conditions for leading statemens to rpesent themselves as above it all, because we’ve already done the hard work for them.  We’re like right wing radio, only we’re addicted to truth serum, not oxycotin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Diversity of tactics, my friend.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeanOR:</p>
<p>Different parts of a political movement perform different roles.  Statesmen speak as statesmen, though our right wing visitors (here to applaud Obama and the fruitless, self-defeating effort of progressives to court the right wing base)find many occasions to bash Gore for speaking bluntly.  </p>
<p>We in this part of the ecosystem speak aggressively and build a movement that creates the conditions for leading statemens to rpesent themselves as above it all, because we’ve already done the hard work for them.  We’re like right wing radio, only we’re addicted to truth serum, not oxycotin.</p>
<p>Diversity of tactics, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-165483</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For the record, Obama is on the side of the angels re:  net neutrality.  His judgment does not always suck.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Obama is on the side of the angels re:  net neutrality.  His judgment does not always suck.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueUU</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/28/its-bill-clintons-fault/#comment-165381</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueUU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gene–so’s your comment doesn’t kill it off :-) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m glad we’re still on this. May we return to it again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene–so’s your comment doesn’t kill it off :-) </p>
<p>I’m glad we’re still on this. May we return to it again.</p>
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