
(guest post by Taylor Marsh)
I had a completely different post planned, but on the news of Pennsylvania’s worst flooding in 200 years, and flood warnings for upstate New York, as well as my own environmental tragedy last night, I decided to share with you something Al Gore said to a bunch of progressive bloggers on a recent conference call. It’s going to make you mad, because when one Republican helped out Al Gore he was threatened.
First, let’s get something straight. The climate crisis is real. Al Gore’s "An Inconvenient Truth" lays out the science of it, even if the wingnuts are walking away from the facts as fast as they can. The threats and attacks against Gore and people like Robert Redford’s Apollo Alliance are all about politics, because Republicans put party before the people every time. I happened to meet Redford in D.C. recently (both of us having very bad hair days due to rain), because he asked for a special blogger forum to talk about climate crisis. He, too, is involved with Gore’s film. Along with Gore and Redford, we also have John Kerry speaking out on energy independence, which he has done many times before. Front and center in this fight is ExxonMobil, whose policies Gore described in our call as the "worst" of the anti climate crisis crusaders.
PERHAPS THE MOST SURPRISING aspect of ExxonMobil’s support of the think tanks waging the disinformation campaign is that, given its close ties to the Bush administration (which cited “incomplete” science as justification to pull out of the Kyoto Protocol), it’s hard to see why the company would even need such pseudo-scientific cover. In 1998, Dick Cheney, then CEO of Halliburton, signed a letter to the Clinton administration challenging its approach to Kyoto. Less than three weeks after Cheney assumed the vice presidency, he met with ExxonMobil CEO Lee Raymond for a half-hour. Officials of the corporation also met with Cheney’s notorious energy task force.
ExxonMobil’s connections to the current administration go much deeper, filtering down into lower but crucially important tiers of policymaking. For example, the memo forwarded by Randy Randol recommended that Harlan Watson, a Republican staffer with the House Committee on Science, help the United States’ diplomatic efforts regarding climate change. Watson is now the State Department’s “senior climate negotiator.” Similarly, the Bush administration appointed former American Petroleum Institute attorney Philip Cooney—who headed the institute’s “climate team” and opposed the Kyoto Protocol—as chief of staff of the White House Council on Environmental Quality. In June 2003 the New York Times reported that the CEQ had watered down an Environmental Protection Agency report’s discussion of climate change, leading EPA scientists to charge that the document “no longer accurately represents scientific consensus.”
As the World Burns, by Chris Mooney
"An Inconvenient Truth," the movie, which is fantastic (go see it!), is now in wide distribution, with the paperback edition of his book going to #1 on the New York Times bestseller this weekend.
"The difference between being #1 and #2 pushes buttons for me." – Al Gore (during conference call)
Not surprisingly, Gore’s being hit very hard, with Republican operatives from all corners challenging the science in his film. Too bad Gore’s facts are correct. But wait until you hear what happened when Gore first offered to screen the movie for Congress.
During the call, I asked if "An Inconvenient Truth" had been screened for Congress, because Gore clearly wanted to reach across to Republicans so they would come to see the film and understand the urgency of our situation. Gore said Senator Harry Reid offered to shut down Senate business so everyone could see it. None of the Republicans showed up. I was thinking maybe we could put pressure on the anti-science – Flat Earth Republicans, if Gore offered a screening on the Hill. Maybe progressive constituents of Republicans could flood their offices demanding their Congressperson see the film. That’s when Gore told his tale.
A couple of years ago Gore presented a slide show revolving around climate crisis for the Science Committee and the Committee on Energy & Commerce. The Democrats showed up. But something amazing happened. Not only did Republicans not show up, but one of the Republican House members was threatened for helping Gore out. It wasn’t just any House member either.
Republican Representative Sherry Boehlert, as Gore called him, is Chairman of the Science Committee and he is retiring from Congress. He is a strong believer in global warming. It’s real and he knows it and said so again on CNN recently. Well, back when Gore put together his briefing for Congress, Boehlert let Gore use the Science Committee room for his presentation. For his efforts Boehlert was threatened with losing his chairmanship. The Hammer came down.
Nothing has changed but who’s holding the hammer.
I’d like to get another screening invitation of Gore’s movie sent out to Congress. But would the Republicans show up?
I think some voters might care if their Republican representative or senator wanted their city to go by way of New Orleans. After all, you might not be threatened with hurricanes, but clean air, clean water and a melting planet effects everyone and the Republicans don’t seem to care as long as Exxon-Mobil and others put money into their campaign coffers.
If you’re reading this, Mr. Gore, send out another invitation to Congress. I’ll back you up and I bet a lot of other progressives will too.
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Obama the new Joe
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Outsanding, Taylor, and so critical for all here to internalize.
Go see the movie!
Excellent post, confirming what I knew about Boehlert.
The republican machine has shown that they will swiftboat anyone and everyone who confronts them with an inconvient truth–just this past few weeks
Al Gore
Jon Stewart
Kos
Murtha
the NY Times
and on and on. We just have to keep standing up to them and calling the crap, because they are bullied and know nothing else.
I suppose this is what happens when something like a credible, substantive case is out of the question? Or are there now economies of scale that make mass-production swiftboating more attractive?
Thank you Taylor
Every time I read you I get hot. Whats with that?
Yeah Gore! Bring it!
Thanks, Pach, I know you get how important this issue is, too.
Larry…. ;-)
Just paged through the book version of An Inconvenient Truth on my lunch break. Wow! It’s great! Amazing photos, graphs, charts. It’ll be my train-commute reading!
Re PA flooding – 200,000 expected to evacuate Wilkes Barre, PA
Our senior weatherman here in the DC area said that the rain we’ve gotten (14″ in the past three days) is an amount that happens once every three hundred years. We got more rain than we did during Hurricane Agnes in ‘72, which is the worst disaster to hit the area in my lifetime.
mass production swift-boating…
al scooter you kill me…hows about a warning sometimes…
… I’ll be right back…gotta get some paper towels…clean the ice tea off the monitor screen
As an Alaskan who HATES Exxon-Mobil because of what their oilspill here did to so many lives, and because they’re still stiffing us for billions, and who has had two friends in Cordova kill themselves because of the despair caused by their incredible negligence, I put nothing past their slimy scheming corporation.
They’ll really believe in global warming after they die and come to judgement. I hope it is more like universal eternal warming for them.
Anyone remember the commercial, I think it was Shell, about using junk underwater to create fish habitats?
Turned out they spent more money on the commercial than they did on the program.
Bastards.
OT Apologies I was EPU’ed when I wasn’t looking. Christopher Yoo as quoted from his Judiciary Committee testimony by Froomkin:
“First, I believe that the use of Presidential signing statements as legislative history is inherent in the system of checks and balances embodied in our Constitution. Second, I believe that Presidential statutory interpretation is also inherent in the President’s role as Chief Executive. Third, I suggest that recognizing Presidential signing statements as legislative history would better promote the democratic process.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…../11/LI2005 041100879.html
The sheer speciousness of his arguments is breathtaking. Notice how in his first point he says that the President’s use of signing statements is “inherent” and “embodied” in the Constitution which is to say that it is not stated anywhere in the Constitution. He could equally well have said that it is inherent in the Constitution that the President attend football games or chase pixies because the Constitution doesn’t say anything about these things either. Well Yoo thinks this inherency argument is quite something because he uses it again in his next point: signing statements are inherent to the role of Chief Executive. Why? Well gosh, just because they are. It’s that pixie thing again. Yoo’s third point is masterful doublespeak. You see signing statements “promote the democratic process” because they subvert and ignore it. How much more promotional can you get than that?
If how system fails, it will because of men and women who think like Christopher Yoo, which is to say that we have listened to those who do not think at all.
Another home run for Taylor! Thanks for sharing that call.
Also, the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car? opens today in Los Angeles and New York.
al-Scooter at 5: It’s always easier to be effective with BS than with a substantive argument, if you have no shame and care more about winning than about the truth or the will of the people. So I expect we’ll see endless swiftboating as long as it appears to have an effect; it’s just become a standard arrow in the GOP quiver of dirty tricks, along with vote suppression and push-polling and everything else.
Read Tim Flannery’s bulletproof scientific book “The Weather Makers.”
Those willfully encamped in “A Convenient Denial” got No Game, so all they can try to do is an ad hominem ad infinitum ad nauseum attack on Gore at the moment.
Global warming driven climate change caused in large measure by human activity is real and its effects are worsening right before our very eyes.
For those who may not remember Mr. Cooney:
June 1, 2005, Rick Peltz a government scientist recently resigned from the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (USCCSP) accuses Phillip Cooney, former lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute (industry thinktank), then chief of staff of the White House Council on Environmental Quality and a non scientist, of editing scientific papers so that they would agree with Administration policies on climate change.
June 8, 2005, Peltz story breaks; Scott McClellan, responding to charges about Cooney, responds by again questioning global warming’s scientific validity:
“No, no, no, let me just correct you on that one point. It’s to say that there are still — there is still a lot of uncertainty when it comes to the science of climate change, and that’s pointed out in the National Academy of Science report that the President requested when he came into office.”
June 10, 2005, Cooney resigns.
June 13, 2005, Cooney is hired by ExxonMobil.
I was just telling someone on the phone that I don’t think we have 10 yrs to turn this around. It has been raining forever in NH– the West is on fire. I pray we are not too late.
PS– Go see the movie.
Redshift you are right
butI’m five
al Scooters’ at four
This is not the first time ExxonMobil has been on the wrong side of history. Their predecessor — Standard Oil of New Jersey — was the largest pre-war investor in Nazi Germany. Plus, they supplied oil to the Nazis throughout the war.
Excerpts from Charles Higham’s Trading with the Enemy — The Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949
http://www.thirdworldtraveler……erpts.html
…a number of financial and industrial figures of World War II and several members of the government served the cause of money before the cause of patriotism. While aiding the United States’ war effort, they also aided Nazi Germany’s. …
It thus came as a severe shock to learn that several of the greatest American corporate leaders were in league with Nazi corporations before and after Pearl Harbor, including I.G. Farben, the colossal Nazi industrial trust that created Auschwitz. Those leaders interlocked through an association I have dubbed The Fraternity. …
The tycoons were linked by an ideology: the ideology of Business as Usual. Bound by identical reactionary ideas, the members sought a common future in fascist domination regardless of which world leader might further that ambition. …
To this day the bulk of Americans do not suspect The Fraternity. The government smothered everything, during and even (inexcusably) after the war. What would have happened if millions of American and British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy’s fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? …
And it is important to consider the size of American investments in Nazi Germany at the time of Pearl Harbor. These amounted to an estimated total of $475 million. Standard Oil of New Jersey had $120 million invested there; General Motors had $35 million; 111 had $30 million; and Ford had $17.5 million. …
O/T, from Salon.com:
_____
With an eye on 2006, a Democrat embraces Bush
Republicans all over the country are running away from George W. Bush, but there’s one 2006 candidate who’s wrapping himself in the president’s embrace: Ben Nelson, the Democratic senator from Nebraska. As the Washington Post’s Chris Cilizza reports today, the Democratic Party in Nebraska is up with a TV spot that includes a 2005 video clip in which Bush calls Nelson “a man with whom I can work.”
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/
Thanks, Taylor. It’s a very important movie and I’m not surprised the GOP is running from it — if people wake up and “let’s stop trashing the planet” takes over as the dominant narrative and trumps the phony “war on terra” they’ve got real problems.
We’re in Harrisburg, PA. There are flood warnings here too.
Thanks Taylor -
Now I’m off to hike right after a weird (for late June on this part of the CA coast) rain and hail storm.
That followed last week’s utterly atypical days-long blast of hot, dry weather – the Santa Ana winds come to play north of the Golden Gate…
Global climate change – me worry?
Very, very, much.
Thanks again.
Dover Bitch – that documentary looks stellar, doesn’t it? Climate crisis is really gaining steam, as evidence comes out that the corporations backing Republicans are killing us.
And the Shell Oil execs are hitting the road! To talk about Global Warming you ask?
Hell, no.
>>>>>>>>>>>
Top executives at oil giant Shell have begun a 50-city tour across the United States this summer in hopes of persuading angry consumers that Big Oil is not ripping them off.
The move is the first such effort in the company’s history, as major oil firms try to dampen a political firestorm over soaring gasoline prices and record earnings for the companies that sell fuel products.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13582811/
Hey, Jane. Good to hear from you, lady.
Taylor, I’m going to see it tonight. Hopefully I won’t add a couple degrees to the planet because I expect to be fuming when I leave the theater.
Jane –
Please, please be careful! You don’t by any chance have a portable radio with you that carries local “emergency” weather broadcasts from the National Weather Service? [We have one, they’re not expensive.]
Pretty much your whole route from here on in will take you through potentially flooded areas. Pennsylvania is having the worst flooding in 200 years. Areas of Philly are under water. New York’s having a big problem, too. Haven’t heard anything about Connecticut, but it surely wouldn’t surprise me to hear it’s waterlogged too. Please do your best to get info while on the road about what’s up ahead.
We need you and the pups to stay safe!
Thank you, Taylor. Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I did get the book. I hope that Mr. Gore feels the support of the people – he should know better than anyone that we’re not exactly being well-represented by those D.C. naysayers.
Hugh at 16, do you mean John Yoo?
angie – I too think we are at crisis point already. Gore is right when he says in the film that we can still take the steps to reverse this, but the urgency is increasing every day. And even if we do everything needed, I think (like Iraq) that there will still be long-term consequences from the damage already done.
DB @30, one of the best things about the film is that it ends on a wonderful note of hope. I really do encourage everyone who hasn’t seen it yet to do so – it will scare you, yes, but it will also inspire you.
You will simply love the movie. It’s wonderful and more important than that, a very important film.
OT: In case you talk to anyone who isn’t clear on the importance of the Democrats taking back one or both houses this fall, consider this bit about signing statements (via Froomkin):
So to be quite clear — there are Republicans who are concerned about the executive power grab, but as long as there’s one-party rule, they’ll be more concerned about their re-election.
When they make enough cash they should show it on public television.
Taylor, sorry about your coi. Thanks for this post.
Can anyone who has seen the film say whether this is an appropriate film for ten year olds?
Exxon makes me sick. Literally.
Quite a few years ago when I lived in Philly I used to see a great allergist in NJ. He had written a big article for the Sunday magazine section of one of the major Philly papers about how air pollution was causing astonishing increases in allergies and asthma.
Interestingly, the chemicals in the air which he fingered as being the most likely culprits were chemicals being spewed into the air by Exxon (and others) at their refining/processing plants.
Once “people in high places” got wind that my allergist was going to publish, he got phone calls in the middle of the night from “strangers” unwilling to give their names, threatening him AND his family if he didn’t shut up.
To his credit, he was a brave guy not about to let himself be bullied, and he published anyway. These folks who buy out “scientists” to get their greedy way are really gangsters, nothing more.
Great post Taylor, this is a serious threat and I hope people start taking it seriously. If you live in the Midatlantic Area, you go to http://www.cleanyourair.org and choose alternative sources of electricity.
If the goverment won’t do anything except stand in the way like Warner from VA,
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..l-hes.html
than creating the market, and supporting the companies trying to make a difference is a citizen action that we can take. It may be directed at the goverment, it’s still action none-the-less
Look at how organic foods are going mainstream, it’s taken a while, however it can be done. It HAS to be done.
OT – On CNN’s 360 tonight.
“Democrats and religion: Why they’re speaking out on a subject kept private so long. Is it an election year tactic. Tune in at 10 p.m. ET.”
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Program…..ooper.360/
That didn’t take long.
Larry:
butI’m five
al Scooters’ at four
It depends whether you see a zero comment or not. For me, the first comment is ‘1′ and al-Scooter’s at 5. (From my experience, I think if you load the page before there are any comments and post or use the refresh button, they’ll start with zero; if you load it when there are already comments, they’ll start with one.)
Leslie in CA: That’s the thing both Gore and Redford stressed when they spoke to us. People have to understand that it isn’t too late to do something. These are the 5 points of consensus, according to Gore:
I have been boy-cotting Exxon since the Valdez.
Feel free to do the same.
Leslie in CA 34,
Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I already saw “An Inconvenient Truth.” Outstanding. Everyone should watch it.
In my message above, I was referring to “Who Killed the Electric Car?” which comes out today.
I saw this at digby’s by tristero a few days a ago but it is an article and review of 3 books including the Weather Makers by Jim Hansen who is Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies and Adjunct Professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University’s Earth Institute.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19131
It’s an excellent article. Hansen says we have 10 years within which to turn things around or at least keep them within manageable limits. Otherwise things could get much worse. How bad?
Venkman: “This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.”
Mayor: “What do you mean, biblical?”
Ray: “What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor… real Wrath-of-God-type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies.”
Venkman: “Rivers and seas boiling!”
Egon: “40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos.”
Winston: “The dead rising from the grave!”
Venkman: “Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together… mass hysteria!”
That bad.
Calling these willfully ignorant idiots ‘Flat Earthers’ is giving them too much credit.Harken back to ,say, the 9th century. That’s about where these folks belong. No buttons,forks,plates etc.
Their ability to drag people backwards scientifically is mind boggling.Ask one of these dimbulbs what a quark or a muon is and they will start piling wood.Repeatable scientific theory is thrown out the window and replaced by fear of the unknown and witch hunting.This is one thing that fries my cookies about this bunch. Imagine where we could be right now with what could have been.That jackass at NASA is a perfect example of what I am trying to get across. I’m just too furious to let the words come.
I’m actually confused about what point #4 means. Does that mean we have to develop a way to _cool_ the planet? Or what?
Sidebar–the DOD road-blocking wind power farms while they “study” whether it affects radar.
Yeah, right.
Can’t resist using this link among many from google–the FDL Times:
http://www.fdlreporter.com/app…..89/FONnews
Pardon if I missed this upthread, but wasn’t the Commerce Committee supposed to vote yesterday on net neutrality?
Seriously, what are the theoretical limiters to the swiftboating process?
It appears to have become the all-purpose communications tool of choice, a kind of weapon of decision for the GOP re: every national issue, so learning to counter the machine that’s been built to execute it would seem to be somehow important to anyone who wants to win elections or even maintain some kind of public discourse.
So what does it take to do swiftboating?
How much does each one cost?
How long does the process last?
How many swiftboatings can be executed simultaneously?
How many swiftboatings can be done per unit of time – per quarter of per election cycle or…?
What are the real objectives of swiftboating, and what metrics are used to gauge success?
Are there any signs that the public is building an immunity to swiftboat attacks?
Have any swiftboat attacks been repelled? If so, would the tactical set employed be a template for others?
I’m sorry for asking all these quasi-rhetorical questions, but it’s been two years since J. Forbes Kerry faced this problem, and I’ve yet to see anything like a doctrinal counter by the Dems. Profound apologies if there is one, I’m a complete outsider. Sometimes great strategies can be built around a single brilliant tactic, and I don’t want to lose the planet because nobody thought through how to deal with a high level of lying.
egregious 50,
That was postponed until, possibly, today. They are hearing arguments from “experts on both sides” today.
Ed*ard Teller:
We have the technology today to turn this around. There is no one magic bullet but we must radically reduce CO2 emissions. The US is responsible for 1/3 of the world’s CO2 emissins and we could save the world in this way on our own, if we act
Find out more at http://www.climatecrisis.net
Stevens stalling the vote? And all of a sudden there are all kinds of ads on the news networks–read: inside-the-beltway-bubble–urging people to contact re speeding up the internet. [yeah, and swallowing up your net freedom in the process….]
Taylor you have been on fire with your blogs for the last month. Thanks! Keep it up!
I never buy exxon or mobil or chevron… why buy from them when there are alternates…
I buy CitGo to support Chavez and drive less!
It’s about becoming carbon neutral:
I understand the Dallas area of TX is in a drought state. That’s another point to investigate.
Leslie in CA #33
Christopher Yoo has been a professor of law at Vanderbilt University since 1999. Previously, he clerked for Supreme Court justice Anthony Kennedy and Judge A. Raymond Randolph of the United States Court of Appeals. He also practiced law with Hogan & Hartson in Washington.
John Yoo is I believe at Berkeley.
TEN THINGS YOU CAN DO TO STOP GLOBAL WARMING
#48 –
If we begin to ALL find ways to consume/burn less carbon NOW the rate or speed of gloabal warming will decrease.
You really should see Gore’s powerpoint (I want my own personal copy!) he lays it all the math very neatly. In a way that anyone can easily understand — and it is not dumbed down!
DefJef –
Good for you!
It’s Citgo for us, too. [At least we know the money is going to bring healthcare to the poor.] And now we have a zero-emissions hybrid car, thank goodness.
Ed*ard Teller @ 48, also see #56.
It is vanity to think that we can destroy a whole planet before that planet will shudder like a big dog shaking itself dry to rid itself of us and start over.
We can only change it, and maybe ruin it for us. Life goes on. We might even live through a catastrophic planet changing disaster, but we won’t live through it like this.
Changing light bulbs isn’t going to dissuade or prevent it. Driving a more fuel efficient car isn’t going to stop or change it. Having fewer or more babies isn’t going to fix it. It’s coming because we can’t stop it any more than the dinosaurs could stop a ball of fire from space.
Nine tenths of the problem is ego. Pride. A “green” car isn’t an environmentally sound choice, it’s a fashion statement. Give up the car, build a buggy tame a wild horse. Eco friendly is a new snobbery. A great selling point. It’s the kill me softly approach. IT’s not AS bad for the environment. But it’s still bad. We are a species gear toward destroying the world around us. Our cities alone are a sure sign that we are as bad as colonies of voracious insects. We only think we are not.
The best thing we could do for our planet right now would be to die off or to move on. And one way or another we’ll end up doing either one, it’s just a matter of it being a concious choice or not.
I live in NYC – it is usually sweltering in the summer and almost everyone has air conditioning. While I will leave my AC in the window for now (in case it gets to 105 – which is possible — I have invested in some high tech fans, which eliminate the need for my AC most of the time.
Unfortunately, I live in an old building and cannot control a thermostate to the heat in my apt so there is not much I can do in that regard.
I also buy food at the Green market — saves fuel burned in transporting food long distances (huge amount used in this way) and also fertilizers made from petroleum. There are so many things that we can all do, if we can just begin to take some concrete steps now.
fyi… Al Gore also had some encouraging words to say about Shell Oil.
#63 I don’t know what you are smoking, but what you wrote sounds like a scenario from Revelations:
The end times are here, good excuse to not give a flying f*ck about anyone or anything else.
Good one.
Poet with a Gun – I understand your take on this, believe me, but scientists are convinced that we DO have time to make a difference and change the course we’re on. We have to believe it and not despair or what good is the knowledge and science?
I stopped buying exxon after their skipper Mr Hazelton took the Valdez onto a reef and destoyed part of our beautiful Alaska.
Another thing we can all do that’s really easy is just promote the issue:
Climate Crisis is Real
susan #38, if the ten-year-old is particularly prone to anxiety about large-scale global issues, as some very sensitive kids are, that might be a concern. But that’s the only reason I could think of; other than that, I’d say it’s an excellent film for kids to see. The arguments and evidence are laid out very simply and clearly, so a kid that age could definitely follow them – and the more young people who get this message, the better off we’ll be.
Dover Bitch #45, my mistake. The electric car film won’t be in my neck of the woods for another month, but I’ll be sure to see it – thanks for the link.
Hugh, my mistake again – it was just hard to believe that there were two Yoos both making such appalling arguments in favor of executive power!
Taylor, yes – I love the fact that Gore’s film emphasizes the feasability of making changes. I know people who don’t want to see the film because they think they already know what it will say, and don’t want to be depressed. I’m trying to persuade them that that’s not the case.
The http://www.realclimate.org/ review:
10 May 2006
Al Gore’s movie
Filed under: Climate Science Reporting on climate%u2014 eric @ 3:21 pm
by Eric Steig
How well does the film handle the science? Admirably, I thought. It is remarkably up to date, with reference to some of the very latest research. Discussion of recent changes in Antarctica and Greenland are expertly laid out. He also does a very good job in talking about the relationship between sea surface temperature and hurricane intensity. As one might expect, he uses the Katrina disaster to underscore the point that climate change may have serious impacts on society, but he doesn’t highlight the connection any more than is appropriate (see our post on this, here).
http://www.realclimate.org/ind…..res-movie/
The ten things you can do… was a handout at the screening of Inconvenient Truth when we saw it. It should be up on billboards around the nation.
Did anyone beside me see the “commercial” on Keith Obermann last night. He did a story about this commercial done by some energy lobby group about how “zealots” are trying to falsely label co2 as a pollutant and if we let them get away with that we will all be back in the stone age.
I swear to godess, it looked like it was an outtake from “thank you for smoking”. I laughed until tears came.
Sadly, it was NOT A SPOOF.
Hugh @ 16
The Art of War by Sun Tzu
Meet Christopher Yoo
This is the second in a series of two, if you want to read the 1st one, click on search and type in Unitary Executive
I don’t know if he’s related but remember John Yoo?
It’s a great point you made about becoming carbon neutral Taylor. I think that’s extremely important to talk about when discussing this.
It boggled my mind when I figured out my carbon footprint,
http://www.carbonfootprint.com
It really drove the point home how much of an impact I have on a daily basis.
“They eat that stuff up at 10.” – Taylor’s husband
I just talked to my husband who has 6 children. He said DEFINITELY take your kid to see it. He also mentioned that at 10 years old, some people can have their life changed. I bet some of you remember that, because I sure do. Important films and events seen at a young age can change everything.
I hate to go off-topic in such a great thread about such an important issue (Taylor, feel free to tell me to drop it)…
But here’s an update on Stevens’ Senate committee:
Broadcast flags are in, which means that your audio and video decoders will have to recognize “flags” from broadcasters that say you cannot record the content.
Kerry’s amendment was voted down, 12-10, which means that there will be no governmental pressure for the telecoms to bring their super-duper new video services to low-income areas. What a shocker.
Still no vote on Net Neutrality, but Sen. Wyden has reiterated that he will block any bill that does not protect the Internet as we know it. Go Wyden!
Dover thanks for the update.
Don’t know who has moderating privileges but I have corroboration for Hugh @ 16
P.s. And now I see after scrolling down that Hugh knows of him
Thanks, Taylor and Pach for the links, especially to the article by Dan Day. But I’m still confused. I already do all the things recommended for reducing carbon output, make my own compost, drive a diesel golf or ride my bike, but am not sure whether it would be wise to try to reverse a planetary warming trend which has been going on for tens of thousands of years – since before humans were wearing clothes or engaged in agriculture.
I’m all for doing what we can to slow global warming enough to bring the clock back to where it would have been had we not sped things up through our activities, but where do you stop once you click into that regime?
OT – until there’s a n/t – from Froomkin today, roundup of hearings on signing statements – Bruce Fein (!) suggested Congress “should contemplate impeachment.” !!!
Is Christy taking a well-deserved rest after filling in for Jane? Hope so – but I miss her cogent arguments on this issue (yeah, I know, can’t stand to go one day without..)
Taylor, I’m just trying to get caught up from when I was in the office this morning, so thanks for both of your outstanding posts!
I just came back inside from having an improptu conversation with one of my GOP neighbors. He introduced the topic of weird weather and didn’t object at all to my pointing out the bigger picture.
I really believe that Katrina, horrible as it was, is the Halley’s Comet of climate change. The goofy weather everybody seems to be having now is just adding more data points. One thing about the weather is that it’s pretty undeniable.
So let’s see if we can get a sound bite of W in a rain slicker and hip waders in the Rose Garden telling Washingtonians that it isn’t really raining. Or that it’s all Al Gore’s fault.
#79: ET, you profess to fear that for which you dare not hope.
accumulated stock of CO2 suddenly released over last 100 years due to human activity will promote warning. Anything economically feasible that will be done is just tapping on the brakes.
Excellent post, Taylor. The movie’s great; go see it, firepups.
looseheadprop @ 12:54 pm (#73) – I saw a commercial on TV not too long ago that said something like “we don’t think of CO2 as a problem, we think of it as life”. No kidding, I about busted a gut when I heard that one.
Unfortunately, most people don’t have either the intellectual curiosity or the time to check out all this stuff. Sad as it may be, I think these commercials actually work on the people they’re intended to work on.
For pessismists, from the realclimate.org review (see link above):
For the most part, I think Gore gets the science right, just as he did in Earth in the Balance. The small errors don’t detract from Gore’s main point, which is that **we in the United States have the technological and institutional ability to have a significant impact on the future trajectory of climate change.** This is not entirely a scientific issue — indeed, Gore repeatedly makes the point that it is a moral issue — but **Gore draws heavily on Pacala and Socolow’s recent work to show that the technology is there (see Science 305, p. 968 Stabilization Wedges: Solving the Climate Problem for the Next 50 Years with Current Technologies)**.
Asterisks style emphases added.
tejanarusa – Because of the torrential rain, Christy had to drive someone to the airport, because her original flight was grounded. It was a quick development, so here I am.
wesgpc,
I just distrust the concept of, oh let’s just say Archer Daniels or Monsanto or Dow – or, we’ll call it Exxon Environmental Solutions – being the companies which we trust to put these reversing mechanisms into operation.
Larry 6
Thank you Taylor
Every time I read you I get hot. Whats with that?
blog-gal warming
I don’t think it was a coincidence that Al Gore brought up the subject of the anti smoking movement. Even after the Surgeon General’s report in 1964, there were legions of paid industry stooges who denied that tobacco caused cancer. It wasn’t until the 80s that I can recall seeing the effects of a growing grassroots anti-smoking movement. Nowadays, it’s hard to believe that just 20 years ago, most public buildings still allowed smoking and that many university libraries had smoking rooms.
It looks like the global warming movement is going to be another case of the people having to lead the politicians by the nose. I think after last year’s hurricane season and this summer’s flooding on the East Coast, that Americans are going to be more receptive to the idea that our climate is changing. I just hope that idea can reach a tipping point, just as with the anti smoking movement, where no amount of pro-industry propaganda can stop it.
Also google economist William Nordhaus
Wel, here it is:
http://www.econ.yale.edu/~nord…..mepage.htm
Nordhaus is very respected mainstream market blah blah blah economist, has estimated that we could tap on brakes effectively without large economic costs. He has been right on these issues before where others have been wrong wrt to pollution control. If energy economics were not considered a “junky field” in economics (it has actually applications, how coarse!) he would/should/could get a economics Nobel prize IMVHO.
Larry @ #13, thanks! Must’ve missed during the post reshuffle.
ET: check out Nordhaus! He may change your mind. I agree with you. Nordhaus ain’t talking about greenwashing the thing.
Re flooding, one block from my home a bridge had to be closed when water pushed a 12-foot section of the road over to the other side.
Don’t know when my comment is coming out of moderation so here is the msot relevant part
Hugh @ 16
Here’s more from Christopher Yoo on the Unitary Executive
Taylor at 87 -
Thanks. I’m sorry to hear she’s NOT resting..but, boy, that fits right in with the topic of your post, doesn’t it?
BTW, FWIW, I found 2 recycling containers on my porch this morning. It seems my town has decided to re-institute curbside recycling, cancelled several years ago. This time they’ve included a small, handled basket to use in-house to collect recyclables, then carry out to the larger curbside container. Interesting.
And I’m thinking of getting a bicycle, if I can find one I can afford. Mostly because of the price of gas, but that just confirms that price drives people more effectivly than ideals, I guess. I can’t bike to work – it’s 22 miles, on the other side of town, but I do live in a neighborhood where I could bike to grocery and drugstores, etc. And since a foot problem is keeping me from walking much, a bike seems justifiable.
Geez, egregious, is this summer?
lhp at 73: I also saw that commercial. I had seen it before. It’s selling a huge misrepresentation — suggesting that global warming alarmists want to ban Co2. This is nonsense. No one proposes that. CO2 is, of course, essential to life, as is O2.
The point of the movie is that the balance and stability are important. With too much heat-trapping gases being created, and too rapidly (as is occurring now) we get global climate change that we may not be able to control or respond to, and some of those changes are potentially catastrophic. The challenge is learning how to live in balance and to stop doing things that cause radical changes.
I was not aware that “An Inconvenient Truth” was out in paperback but it is. I just called and reserved a copy at my local booksellers to pick up tomorrow … cool !
tejanarusa – Try your local recycler newspaper or alternative newsweekly. Maybe they’ll have a used bike you can buy. Cosco’s prices aren’t bad either.
dOn Camillo – go even a little later than the 80s – Bob Dole in his presidential run – I’m pretty sure he opined that there was no proof that cigarettes were harmful.
The road that got washed out has just been repaired. Meanwhile, there is a scary big yellow thing up in the sky. What can it be? And where did all the rain go?
Where I live, we’re already suffering 100-plus degree temperatures — and we usually don’t get those until August.
Taylor, I have koi in my backyard pond too. One guy is so big, we call him Moby Koi. I know, not too original. But he’s a sweetie. I never thought I’d think fondly of a fish!
I’m going to see An Inconvenient Truth tonight. Sigh. Feingold notwithstanding, I long for Gore 2008.
Alaska senator Ted Stevens, “legendary pork barreler-$646 million in goodies for Alaska last year alone,- wants to turn Washington state’s Cherry Point port on Puget Sound into an “international oil superport.” Puget Sound’s ecosystem “is already on the verge of collapse and nothing threatens the future of Puget Sound more than the risk of catastrophic oil spills.”
Why is Ted Stevens hellbent on turning the Sound into a super byway for oil tankers?
Hmmmm…could it be this….”According to federal election reports, the oil and gas industry ranks first on his 1989-2006 aggregate donors list, giving him $370,000
Of course maybe it’s just the revenge factor: Ted Stevens wants to get back at Washington state’s Senator Maria Cantwell for standing up to him, defeating his amendment to drill for oil in ANWR, and her boldness in arguing with Stevens — live on C-Span (how dare she?!) — Remember that ?…she wanted to swear in the oil executives appearing before the committee. Contempuous of Cantwell’s request, and spitting fire, Stevens belligerently refused.
Isn’t if funny (not ha-ha) that this posting was necessitated so promptly by the odd, bad weather causing disruption in the personal life of one of the two FDL Blogmistresses?
For those interested, this article is the best summary I found of the Senate Commerce Committee’s progress so far today. In short, it’s been a much better day for Republicans than Democrats so far, and the only GOP measure worth a damn (McCain’s amendment to allow you to buy only the cable channels you want) was shot down 20-2.
Also, New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer has testified in favor of Net Neutrality.
Punaise, 89
I have been patiently waiting
You humble me.
Taylor at 80 -
Yeah, I think a used bike is the way to go.
And a further personal-experience note on weather – here in South Central Texas we’re basically in drought, too. There was light rain about 10 days ago, just before I left for Maryland. Left Maryland just in time to miss the deluges – Mom in Baltimore is surrounded by some flooding, but on fairly high ground herself was un-flooded as of last night.
Back in San Antonio, we’re a week or so away from water restrictions as the aquifer (our sole source of drinking water) drops rapidly. And the cracks in my walls are wider than they were when I left, because the foundations are subsiding due to the dry, dry ground.
We all will have something to atrribute to the climate crisis, I think – the only question is, will everyone recognize that’s what it’s about?
Oh, and Taylor – glad to see you here. Whatever you write is always worth reading. Thanks.
tejanarusa,
Another place to look for a cheap,even free, bike is your local Eagles Aeire. They are like The Elks,Lions etc. A non profit private org. We used to get bikes from the local police dept. and fix them and give them to anyone who could show a need. Esp. Christmas time for kids. Just a thought.
OT – Photo ties lawmaker to Abramoff client
WASHINGTON %u2013 An El Paso tribe that was a client of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff has released a photograph of tribal leaders meeting with Rep. Bob Ney, who had told investigators he was unfamiliar with the tribe.
http://www.dallasnews.com/shar…..c32c2.html
I wonder how the punditocracy in DC is getting around today.
“Nothing to see here, move…glub!”
*ilson46201 – Good for you for buying the book in paperback. It will be #1 in the NY Times this weekend.
I found that interesting as well, especially coupled with our environmental disaster at my house. Very interesting, indeed.
punaise @89 – nice one.
ot
redistricting for political purposes at any time has been made constitutional by the supreme court
this means if we don’t get a majority in one of the houses America is doomed.
bustedknuckles -
thanks for the suggestion – I know we have Elks and maybe moose – not sure about Eagles. I’ll look around.
I’m already 2 hours late to get my day-off errands done – so hard to tear myself away from fdl and fdl’ers! Will check in later – stay dry, fire pups!
After seeing “An Inconvenient Truth” this weekend, I’ve been looking into ways to buy green energy. The local utility company doesn’t offer it, but I have started learning about renewable energy certificates (RECs), which look very interesting as a tactic for increasing the production of green energy. Maybe everyone else already knows about RECs, but they were new to me.
For a list of places to buy RECs, see http://www.green-e.org/your_e_choices/trcs.html.
There’s a FAQ I found very helpful at http://www.3phases.com/support…..mp;g=About Us.
And finally, check http://www.certifiedcleancar.com/ to do some carbon trading to offset your car.
I took my kids to see the movie, and my 13-year-old was particularly inspired.
Vicki
Bob Dole in his presidential run – I’m pretty sure he opined that there was no proof that cigarettes were harmful.
Mary,
Did he say that in ‘96? No wonder he got creamed. By the 1990s, you could not say that smoking doesn’t cause cancer without being laughed out of whatever room you were saying it in. We need to get to the same state with man made cuases of global warming.
*g*
For Jordan, although he’s not here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..44_pf.html
Appeals Court Vetoes Bush Plan To Alter U.S. Personnel Rules
Draconian approach, all based on our “security needs” shot down. Implicates DOD planned restructure as well.
Vicki – WONDERFUL to hear about your 13-year-old!!! good idea, busted.
GET THIS… I just heard on CNN that some DC Democrat came up with “creation care” for environmental issues, in order to court the religious. I consider myself spiritual and religious, and I think that’s the worst phrase I’ve ever heard!
I’m learning a lot from the links provided. Thanks!
“Creation care?” That’ll mesh well with the right to choose…I can already hear it: “Democrats care more about trees and salamanders than they do about innocent human life.”
Some “consultant” probably got a nice, fat paycheck for that inanity…
d0n camillo — it’s not a coincidence. The same people who were involved in undermining the science against smoking have been doing the job against global warming. It’s called “manufacturing uncertainty” (though the public name is the Orwellian “sound science”), and the blather about there being “no proof” is all BS, just as it was with tobacco; it’s about protecting the profits of their corporate friends and patrons.
For another example of the uses of “sound science”, see this Scientific American article, where the salt industry group tried to use the “Data Quality Act” to suppress an NIH press release about a study showing the benefits of a lower salt diet. (SciAm mistakenly believes it’s “a law ironically intended to ensure that regulations are based on solid science”; in fact, it’s a law intended to prevent regulation by requiring an unreasonable level of proof by the regulators, but not by industries.)
EPU’d from this morning’s Duncan Hunter thread.
Prairie Sunshine @ 11:03 am
I looked up the phone number 888-382-1222 on Urban Legends. They provide some hopefully accurate information about this.
vicki – don’t know where you live or what the rules are in your state. but . . . you can directly impact use of fossil fuels and related pollutants very simply by changing your electric usage — not only how much but when.
In many states, the key question is which power plants are on the margin. In most states, the plants that are dispatched to run last — when demand is higher/highest — are fueled by coal, gas or oil. This means that every kwh you don’t use during the peak hours (say, from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m.) means that 1 kwh will not be produced from the marginal plants, the ones that burn the pollutant-producing fuels. So you can have a major direct effect on pollution just by shifting your electricity usage to other hours when other plants are on the margin. And btw, it also has the greatest effect on lowering utility/generation costs and thus checking retail electricity rates.
A related policy, which most states don’t have yet, but a few are starting to embrace, is to peg retail electricity rates to actual wholesale costs/prices during peak periods. This is sometimes called peak-period pricing, and more advance forms (in NJ, NY [proposed] and Illinos) are called “real-time pricing.” These rate designs should be implemented as much as possible, because they stimulate the most demand-side response, and give consumers direct control over their bills and the amount of pollution created in meeting their demand.
looseheadprop — if you are around I have an OT question –
About a month ago I think I recall you saying that there is a need for lawyers to help monitor the November elections. I have an attorney friend in northern California who might be interested in helping out and I would like to be able to steer him in the right direction.
I believe it was a group called Democratic Leadership Council (?)
Could you send me contact info for the group that is involved in this effort?
Many thanks!
hallgy at hotmail dot com
Two things
see An Inconvenient Truth
Distribute Democratic literature as it shows let out, the people who see this film are probably Democrats, at least by the time they come out of the movie, but they might not know the name of the Democratic congressional candidate.
Taylor: Strongly support the idea of arranging a screening of the film on The Hill… in some kind of a context where any Repub “sit-out” can be documented and publicized.
It would be fair turnabout for what they’ve tried on Dems for the last few weeks, with all the showboat legislation around the war, flag, gays, etc. Just setting up stunt votes that can be distorted and then attacked in this Fall’s campaign.
There’s a lot of public concern out there about climate change. Why not force Repubs onto the record as to whether they’re even willing to consider the facts that Gore has laid out?
Eddy
There was a very interesting post at Real Climate about personal carbon offsets like TerraPass. While initially skeptical, the other concludes that the programs make sense. Be sure to read the comments; representatives of TerraPass and Carbonfund.org show up and make some good contributions to the discussion.
Eric Blumrich over at BushFlash has Al’s power point presentation linked to on his site.It’s on the right sidebar about a quarter of the way down the page if you can’t get to a theater that’s showing An Inconvenient Truth.
http://www.ericblumrich.com
BobbyG at 12:10 p.m.
I don’t know whether this has been mentioned on the current thread, but it was on the Obama thred–Obama’s PAC gave money to Bush crony Ben Nelson’s campaign (AND Joe Lieberman’s campaign).
I wish Gore would offer to hold a screening for all the bums on the Hill– and then WE can broadcast who does not show up…..
The timing is perfect. The movie is out, the book is coming out and the scientists have confirmed the science that Gore teaches. Let them turn their backs on the truth and we will out them. We will scream it from the highest rooftops as the rivers swell, the dams break, the earth burns and the air becomes thicker and it becomes more difficult to breathe. When gas prices and heating oil keep rising and all of a sudden, people can’t afford to move around or stay cool/warm in their homes. When crops fail and prices go skyrocketing and food becomes scarce. Yep, it’ll happen here in the good ole USA and I double dare any pol to live with that shame.
Bad enough they are warmongers and liars and criminals. Now explain this to your people and the people on the planet.
dOnC – I went back to look and was wrong. He mentioned that he didn’t think smoking was addictive, and that smokeless tobacco had not been proven to cause cancer, and that smoking might not be good for kids, but then again, milk might not be good for them either.
But he did not say that cigarettes weren’t harmful – they are at least as harmful as milk. And btw – they just had a “sting” operation and went after an Amish farmer for $2.00 worth of milk – so that stuff may be pretty harmful.
And then there’s the tobacco settlement, spearheaded by Bush’s current pick to be Ambassador to OZ . . .
;)
The same people who were involved in undermining the science against smoking have been doing the job against global warming.
Redshift,
Let’s hope they fail just as miserably as they did before. This time the stakes are much higher; humankind could survive the effects of passive smoking. We would not be so lucky if the polar ice caps were to completely melt every summer.
angie 130,
Not only should they show the film on the Hill, they should have a bucket of sand and a cardboard cutout for every GOP House member. Any chickenshit too scared to show up has his or her cutout planted head in the sand.
Would make for a nice photograph… all those GOP members of Congress with their heads in the sand while Al Gore’s movie plays behind them.
OT but Ned is our guy so…
Michelle Malkin endorses Lieberman and helps Ned at the same time
If you can stomach her go to at…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yavwkPz24uw
BTW, Taylor THANKS for the blog gal warming post. Always nice to have you here.
… and burning cigarettes produces CO2 as well. If the tobacco plants weren’t cut and harvested, they’d be producing oxygen !
Surfer,
I don’t know your friend but I don’t think they would want anything to do with the DLC
And one more thing– I am sick and tired of watching the dern teevee with crisis coverage of storms and flooding and wildfires as though it is a missing white woman. Have a scientist or Al Gore on to explain it!!! For goodness sakes, they have no conscience at all. The corporations will never contribute to knowledge til it’s too late.
Ambassador to OZ….
Mwahahahaha.
angie @ 131 – That would be beautiful.
1,181 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND..
Mrs. K8 and Angie:If yer still out there, thanx fer the acknowledgement up stream in the previous post…I been “workin’ for the man” too much these last few weeks ( 2 college students need tuition and my wife refuses ta take a second job ta pay it LOL)…and I had a chance ta spend a week on the Lake of the Woods with my son tryin’ ta reduce the population of eatin’ sized Walleyes and puttin the fear of man in the incredible wild things up there. If you ever get a chance ta get out among ‘em up there or in the Rainy River area further east take the opportunity…that area is the eighth wonder a the world.
Thanx again fer the “hello”…I ain’t been postin a lot anyways ‘cuz it seems my posts stimulate a profound and deafin’ silence.
KEEP THE FAITH AND JOIN THE FIGHT OR YA WON’T BE ABLE TA LOOK YER CHILDREN IN THE EYES!!!
Norske!!
sufer @125
Have him call Anna Martinez at the Democratic National Committee 202-863-8132.
Tell him to tell her that he is interested in helping with the Democratic Lawyers Council Election Monitoring Program.
I do not know if we have a state chair for California yet. If we don’t, maybe he would like to start the chapter.
Anna can put him in touch with other state chapters for guidance and by late summer/early fall there will be a “how to” cookbook, “election monitoring in a box” type book out to guide the new chapters as they set up.
Fifty State project, babay!
So, where do you surf? Many, many years ago I used to surf Gilgo beach out on LI. I still have my (now very brittle and genuinly antiqyue) Design One surfboard under my backyard deck.
I plan on intrucing my youngun’ to the sport of Hawwian kings. I got some of the best bruises of my life surfing. Way tougher than rugby!
John in sarramento — Horrors! I think I had a memory lapse. Seemed to me the group had the initials DLC but looks like I am mistaken.
I figure if I keep asking around someone will connect me with the group. Just trying to do my part…
Thanks for your input.
Does anyone else know how to connect with the group that is training attorneys to monitor the November elections?
Any silence they might provoke from me is prolly just from the awe I feel and the thought you stimulate, Norske. I am glad you had a respite with yer son!
Norske
Hello and welcome back haven’t seen ya much lately.
My dream is that someday when people see the intials “DLC” they will think Democratic LAWYERS Council, and smile, having completely forgotten all about the Democratic Leadership Council which makes us frown.
Jack is asking this ? this hour if’n anyone wants to talk:
5 p.m.: Sen. Barack Obama says Democrats should court evangelicals and other religious Americans. Is he right?
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/situation.room/
BREAKING: Net Neutrality Amendment FAILS.
Bad, bad news.
Thank you Taylor for the post. I saw on Raw story that you’ve gotten hate mail. This is the Rove’s legacy – divide and bring hate. Such a shame.
My PA area is affected by the rain. I just want to add that we’ve had these floods now three times in three years, the previous two did a lot of damage too and were due to hurricane Ivan and Katrina…
What will it take for people to start thinking about climate changes? Gore is doing the right thing by educating people on this issue. It will take some time.
Aha, thanks so much looseheadprop! It’s not the DLC but the DNC. I am delighted to pass this along to my friend Jon.
I live on Kauai and surf mainly the north shore — great fun, and meets my all my surfin’ needs! Bring your youngun over — its the best!
By the way, I just wanted to say again how much I appreciate all the great thinkers and writers who take time to share! It is very much appreciated, even tho’ I rarely speak up. I am encouraged for the first time in about 30 years — I love the networking that is happening.
bold off!
Dr. Bong, my fault. Sorry.
aargh, Dover!
and you’re right at 134.
Sufer at 144
Did you see my 143? You are right about the intitals. The NYDLC will have a website up next week or so and if our hostesses don’t mind a little website pimping, I can put up the address as soon as it is open to the public.
Non NY lawyers can drop by and we will make sure to forward you to the appropriate place.
Surfer 151
It IS the DLC, just not the bad, icky DLC. it’s the good election monitoring DLC.
This is kinda like the “two Roger Ailes” problem
Mary 118
“Appeals Court Vetoes Bush Plan To Alter U.S. Personnel Rules”
It’s probably only a matter of time before Bush comes up with the judicial equivilant of a signing statement–a formal written opinion declaring that his unitary executive powers override what a court has decided. Call it an “Executive opinion.”
Or he could just do like he does with existing laws, and ignore any court decision he does not like.
Redshift says
June 28th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
d0n camillo – it’s not a coincidence. The same people who were involved in undermining the science against smoking have been doing the job against global warming. It’s called “manufacturing uncertainty”…
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Science has to operate in this type of policy arena with one hand tied behind its back, because the very ESSENCE of science is the acknowledgement of uncertainty, even as science works to minimize it by systematic inquiry and analysis. Almost NO science is of the purely deductive/dispositive type, science is overwhelmingly empirical, and empirical data are almost NEVER complete and fully accurate. We always run the risk of being wrong. Scientists, good ones, work tirelessly to quantify the relative risks and benefits. QRCBA, Quantitative Risk/Cost-Benefit Analysis.
Don’t let The Convenient Deniers frame the debate by committing the Perfectionism, Red Herring, Straw Man, and Misplaced Burden of Proof fallacies unchallenged.
I cut my professional teeth during a long tenure in a forensic-level environmental radiation lab in Oak Ridge. I’m as skeptical as they come. I cannot but conclude that significant and adverse climate change brought on by global warming caused in large measure by “Anthropocene Era” human activity is REAL, and we are now seeing effects that will seem benign by comparison 50 years from now.
Got it! Mahalo for your help!
new thread alert
Dover Bitch @ 2:15 pm (#149) – Looks like the next step is to try to add the amendment on the floor of the Senate. I’m not hopeful, but that does seem like the next step.
Norske!
We’re having norskeflamethrower withdrawal. Hope to hear more from you soon.
#158: Also need to add “Incoherent Nitpicking” to list of things to watch out for. Smoking, passive smoking, and man-made global warming critics offer a set of inchorent and uncoordinated attacks of whatever evidence that pops up that they disagree with. Put their statements and attacks and criticism together and try to see their picture of the world, and it makes no sense. Scientists discipline themselves by trying to get a consistent sensible story for the all the evidence. This is what is commonly called “The Theory” of X or Y or Z. It is really a complicated bundle of assumptions, and evidence and some kind of logically consistent story holding all of them together. But it does, or should, hold together.
There has to be a logical consistent story with a begninning, middle and end, that should be simple enough for non-experts to follow if explained well. Global warming scientists have this story. Their crtics don’t.
This incoherent nitpicking comes in many forms. One of their favorite is to get a data set used for a pubished story and pick through it until they find a flaw, then declare the whole thing bogus. But of course nothing in thie world is perfect, so they always succeed. You will almost never find them proposing their own hypothesis, getting new data, and testing it, either foramlly, or informally. That would mean that they have a sensible story that they could turn into a testable theory, or at least something they could graph and compare to what their theory says. But they don’t care about that at all.
I think that is the number one trick the global warming people are using now.
# 163″ the global warming *critics* are using now.
My typing: Ughh! sorry.
Saw the movie last weekend. Late show, started at around 9, which is a bad time for non-youth-oriented films. The place was probably at least 3/4 full, all ages. Looking around, the whole audience seemed completely attentive. Applause at the end.
Here’s the stunner for me: anyone who’s spent time giving slide-based lectures can attest to what a challenge it is to make the message compelling while keeping the audience engaged and interested. To take a slide/lecture and put it on film and have it *work* is almost impossible. Gore and his team pulled it off. The film is amazing.
A shameless blogwhore:
The Republicans’ War On The Sea
Taylor and all,
Al Gore either says in the movie or in the interview he did with Charlie Rose that there will be training sessions in Tennessee this summer on how to deliver the message on climate change. Anyone have more info on this?
OCSteve #169: not my fault if you invested your life savings on the bases of some scare story in Popular Mechanics. The climatologists were studying the next ice age in terms what would happen over the next 5-10 K years, in the *absence* of human intervention. Due diligence, my friend, due diligence. I am not responsible for your lack of it in the 70s.
OCSteve: Well, let’s get it settled whether it is true that in the 70s that there was a consensus, or even a significant number of climatologists saying that an ice age was coming right away. Then we can compare care makes, etc. check this out:
14 Jan 2005
The global cooling myth
http://www.realclimate.org/ind…..ling-myth/
I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere… this is a press release from the Senate Committe on Environment and Public Works. This is a government website, but it reads like a partisan attack ad on Al Gore. I just can’t believe the government would publish something like this…
An excrept:
*****
Here is a sampling of the views of some of the scientific critics of Gore:
Professor Bob Carter, of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia, on Gore’s film:
“Gore’s circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention.”
“The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science.” – Bob Carter as quoted in the Canadian Free Press, June 12, 2006
Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, wrote:
“A general characteristic of Mr. Gore’s approach is to assiduously ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse.” – Lindzen wrote in an op-ed in the June 26, 2006 Wall Street Journal
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This is crap, and it is crap being pushed in official government press releases!
http://www.epw.senate.gov/pres…..;id=257909
Letter to the Editor – AZ Republican (It is actually the AZ Republic but you get what I mean)
From the wet wilds of upstate NY in Boehlert’s district and environs, take a look-
Binghamton Press Bulletin
NYSDOT
As someone arrested for protesting ExxonMobil’s global warming crimes at their death star like headquarters complex in 2003 in Irvine, Texas, I think it is important to remind the readers of this blog how disatant our government has become from the people of this nation.
When the American experiment was started it was dedicated on issues of truth, fairness, and virtue (at least the Bill of Rights etc.) Of course the road has been very bumpy over the years and there have been many mistakes. Somehow though, the nation has remained and grown and people have come from far off to join. Bush has changed all that though, and yes you could perhaps trace it all back to raygun but bush has destroyed more quickly and more intently any sense of connection between the average citizen and governmnet, replacing representative decision making with plutocrats looting the tresury and making decision in the white house.
Unfortunately the damage done to the environment is something we will all have to adapt to, or perish.
While Georgie the prez, a man who really should only have been destined to be a gas station attendant, will gather with his golf buddies and the XMO criminals behind their walled Crawford compounds guarded by paramilitary forces like Blackwater, the rest of America and her people will be left to survive or to not survive.
These people, bush and the XMO criminals, foretell the end of the American Experiment, and it seems, it’s failure.
Just read a few words above, noticed the comment about a Repug being attacked for supporting Gore… well, that’s party politics and it happens everywhere, and a good example on the other hand is the attack-dog ripping of Lieberman supporting Bush. Ok, so it happens in football stadiums too… and soccer and beisbol and on and on and in families… so what’s the point in making a point of it?
Gore’s movie, which I saw today, was full of factual science and in my opinion let us see a looser, more human Gore than we saw in the race for Prez. It also was a political piece made to make Gore look good and I liked what I saw.
It was political theater too. Not much different than the theater the Repugs produce to make The Preznit look good, such as speeches in front of hand picked crowds.
I believed what I heard and saw, for the most part.
America can work to reverse the trends. We’ve got to vote the Repugs out of office first.
the wingnuttutians are making a big mistake critizing Gore as they are only making him THE symbol of the fight against global warming…and GIVEN that global warming is real leading to climatic disasters that are increasing frequency and intensity, Gore’s importance will only grow. Give it one more natural disaster like Katrina in the US, two at the most and Gore will be king of the world as the huddled masses look to him for answers and hope.
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Go CITGO. When the dems. in Alaska wanted to know the details of the ‘04 election, they had to pay for the data to be manipulated. Ted Stevens might not even be legal.