
[Huge thank you to Ian Welsh for sending this post along. I was going to use another Pauly Shore photo, but I thought you could all use a break. So you got this one instead. Ian regularly blogs at The Agonist, and is worth a read and a good conversation over a beer or four. -- CHS]
I have a ton of charts on my hard drive, and I have reviewed many many more, but this is my favourite chart of all time (yeah, as Hale Stewart would say, how lame is it that I have a “favourite chart”).
The chart shows wages for non-supervisory, goods producing, hourly employees from 1947 to today. It shows, graphically, a point I think needs to be hammered home – you can’t talk about the “post war economy”, as if there is only one. There were two, and the first one ended sometime in the seventies.

Now during the seventies and beyond GDP per capita continued to increase, even though wages for many people weren't:

Although the growth rate has consistently slowed:

Yes, it does pick up again in the 2000’s, a topic I’ll deal with in a later post. Suffice to say, those gains haven’t gone to ordinary workers either. Both the above graphs are from this online textbook.
Tired of all the graphs? Well, just one more…

This one is courtesy of the Economic Policy Institute. . (For those of you wondering why wages show a drop and income shows an increase – the wages are individual wages, while the income in those charts is household income (i.e. household were able to increase income by increasing the number of people working .)
Still wondering where all your GDP per capita gains went? There was about a 65% average gain in real GDP. The only people who made it were the upper fifth, and that really means about the upper 12% or so. And if you were to extend that chart, you’d find that the top .1% did even better, and the top .01% even better than them, and so on. The last generation or so has been a good time to be rich in America.
Now two main things happened around about the time of the big switch from the first “floats all boats” post war economy, and the second “floats the rich” economy. The first was the collapse of the Bretton Woods agreement, the second was the creation of OPEC and the various oil shocks, stagflation and so on, leading to the recession of the eighties and a generation of central bankers determined to make sure inflation never reared its ugly head again.
The oil shocks caused a big problem, and part of the problem was this – giving lots of money to a bunch of Middle Eastern dictatorships really meant giving lots of money to a very few individuals. When you pay for a barrel of oil from Kuwait or from Saudi Arabia, really that money is controlled by the kings of those countries. When you buy oil from, say Sweden, or Britain or Canada, that money goes into a lot of hands, who then turn around and use their foreign currency bonanza mostly to buy goods.
Well, no matter how many jets or limos you want, there really is a limit to how much even a few thousand noblemen and dictators can spend.
They had lots of money, and when you’re rich and have piles of money, and aren’t a complete moron, you go looking for assets to buy – businesses, real estate and so on that produce returns. Since your own countries are backwards third world economies, even if you want to spend at home, there’s a limit to it. So you go to first world economies. Since oil is bought in dollars, and since the US is the lynchpin world economy, mostly you go to the US (although Europe had to deal with this issue as well, and chose a different path, one of regulating ownership, instead.)
So the US realized that if it didn’t do something, the cutting edge, most profitable industries in the US would be bought up by a very few rich oil princes. In absolute terms their money was small compared to the entire float of the US economy, but it was highly liquid and more than sufficient to buy controlling interests in all the businesses really worth buying. One solution, the one most of Europe chose, was to create laws that said "no, you can’t buy that."
That’s not the choice that was made – the choice made was to make America’s rich enough to compete.
The method was primarily tax policy – marginal tax rates were lowered massively, and rates on unearned income like dividends and capital gains were taxed at a rate even lower than normal income.
When you’re rich, after a certain point, most of your marginal money starts going into investments. Really, after the first few million in conspicuous consumption, there isn’t much else to do.
So the rich started getting really, really, stinking rich. And because investments in assets like stocks were taxed at lower rates than earned income, a generational boom market, the longest since WWII, started up. The beauty of taking extra productivity and creating an incentive to push it into various security markets, from the point of view of economic policy, was that it didn’t cause inflation in goods…
See, while if you’re rich and you get an additional 10% money to spend (or 100%, for that matter) you tend to put most of it into various assets, if you’re poor or middle class you tend to spend it on goods and on real estate. You buy a car or SUV. You go on a vacation. You get a bigger house. You drive up expenditures on real goods, that require energy to create and to use.
You use… oil. And demand for oil had to be kept down, so that there were no more energy driven inflation spikes, such as the ones in the seventies that put the final nail in the coffin of post World War II prosperity. There is no substitute for oil (try putting something else in your gas tank.)
So, in addition to a lot of policies that favoured rent and unearned income over wages, the central banks of the world, including the Fed, became obsessed with what they called “wage push inflation”. The idea was that if widespread increases in wages occurred, that would drive up inflation generally. So whenever it appeared that there were about to be widespread wage increases in the general economy, the Fed would step in, strangle wages, and end the boom.
Anyone who followed economic releases in the 80’s and 90’s will remember the constant obsession with wage push inflation and with NAIRU (the Non Accelerating Inflationary Rate of Unemployment) – which basically meant, the labor market couldn’t be allowed to get so tight that wages started increasing generally.
So, increases in asset prices, like stocks and real estate, weren’t considered inflation. But increases in wages were considered to lead to inflation. This allowed the Fed to pump money into the economy, and have it sanitized through asset markets so that it didn’t cause general goods inflation.
The rich got richer, and it wasn’t counted as inflation, and the middle class and the poor took it on the chin.
There are a lot more details to this, we could talk about Clinton’s codicil to it and how he was able to allow some real wage growth for the bottom four quintiles for a few brief years, and we should talk about trade and balance of payments, and about how the Bush administration used housing to sanitize their excesses and the contradiction between a suburban economy and energy inflation control, but I’ll leave those for another day.
For now the lessons are simple. First - if you want a good economy back, one that raises all boats, you have to solve the oil and energy bottlenecks on the economy. Second- the US had a class war, and the rich won.
1. Why goods producing, non-supervisory, hourly employees? Two reasons, first – I want to show what happens to ordinary, non management, non professional types. Second – wage data is very hard to get going back that far. Most of it starts in the sixties, which doesn’t give the full flavor. However, in general, wages rose for everyone by about the same rate during the 45-75 period.
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yes you are! OT, Christy please email me, you addy is coming back failed. Tried both you and Pach, no joy. Thanks much!
Fitz! and John Maynard Keynes…
Is that first chart an outline of Bareback Mountain? Thanks for the post Ian.
Twisted Martini — it’s ReddHedd at AOL dot Com. If you are trying the firedoglake.com addy, it isn’t working at the moment.
And sorry, Ian — I didn’t see that you had sent me a corrected version until I had already gone live with the initial one. Hope I’ve gotten things right — e-mail me if I’ve missed something. Thanks so much!!!
Um, it looks like the post is double posted–a hiccup or something. Anyhow, this is great stuff!
Is Ian in the house? I have a question.
I have changed the author to Ian Welsh. Is that correct/ okay Christy?
If you think high wages are the solution, vote for democrats.
If you think high wages are the problem, vote for Republicans.
Seems so obvious.
Just a note: You can get data from Bureau of Labor statistics on real wages and compensation for various categories of workers, from unskilled to high skilled professional. These data don’t go back all the way to 1947, but since mid 70s to mid 80s, all follow same general pattern as non-supervisory workers. So it is not working or social class thing. Every non independently wealthy person caught up in the compensation stagnation since early 70s. That might explain why white males with college degrees are big Bush supporters. They aint growing their incomes or have the stuff that their mom and dad did, some one’s taking it, probably the government, and they are mad as hell about it.
Christy,
thanks much, this is the right version, sory for sending you the wrong one initially.
Oilfield guy, I’m about to go off the web for a few hours, but if you have a question, please leave it, I will return and read all comments. Sorry about not being around for the live conversation, today has been hectic. I’ll try, in future, to be sure to be around for the conversations.
And to all - sorry about the chart madness. Hopefully you find them useful.
One of my favorite graphs is this one from zfacts.com
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
It shows the the national debt as a percentage of GDP. It went down from WWII until Reagan/Bush, when it went up in percentage, then down under Clinton, and up again under Bush fils.
this sounds like a duncan black discussion.
Wow! That’s was amazing.
As a layman, I never really understood much of what I hear on cnbc.
I have long noticed, however, that the investor class views rises in wages as a BAD thing.
lina - you are correctamundo. Atrios rocks when he drags that tattered academic gown out.
Ian: I think your post does a good job at explaining increasing income inequality, but what about the fact of 30 year slowdown and periodic stagnation in real wages? In 70s that was partially, maybe largely, decreased productivity due to oil price shocks. But now producivity does seem to be on permanently higher growth path (Greenspan was right about some things), but real wages are not keeping up. So the low productivity growth = low wage growth story betting harder to swallow each passing quarter. You have a story for that? I don’t see that as very closely connected with inequality story, except in loose sense that somebody eventually gets all the product. Question why wage growth so flat seems neglected in your post. You think that is due to tax policy and oil? How so?
I haven’t seen an answer. Anyone want to see the economists consensus on that should look at the “what economists do all day” link posted a few days ago.
Christy I truly hope you don’t believe “wage push inflation” was caused by a desire to keep inflation down. The central banks are owned by multi-national corporations who have a big interest in keeping wages down. Now I wasn’t in any board rooms but it seems to me that the claim of “we want to keep prices down is a little disingenuous.
It’s worse than that, Oilfieldguy, when you factor in the shrublican-rubberstamp congress feckless fiscal policy.
It is the worst of all worlds.
D. Mason — does my exhausted brain seem like it could even understand what you just asked me in comment 18? Here’s what I believe: Ian is a prince who has sent me several posts this week to help out so that I only had to be up 18 hours a day to keep the blog running. He is a prince of a man, and everyone needs to be nice to him. Disagree on substance — sure; get snotty with Ian, though, and you answer to me. (And considering my decided lack of sleep since last Saturday, I’m heavy on the cranky right about now…fair warning.)
VG at 9 — Ooops, thanks. Clearly I’m a little tired. *g* Meant to do that and I have no idea why I missed it before posting. Much appreciated!
Ah yes, Nixon`s Wage Controls, (actually Wage & Price Controls but I don`t recall any prices being actually “controlled”)
Oilfieldguy >”…Seems so obvious.”
Yea, like this
“…Democrats are for people, Republicans are for things…” - Oilfieldguy
General Motors is asking 113,000 of its workers to quit and take a buy-out. What does this mean for labor and our robust Bush economy? More American workers being flushed down the toilet. These jobs will be lost forever. Of course these forced to retire people might get jobs making beds and cleaning rooms at the local Days Inn for minimum wages, no health coverage, no overtime pay and no benefits. Or “busting tables” at Denny’s perhaps. It’s time to get rid of NAFTA, CAFTA, the DLC, DINOS and above all the greedy party; the Republicans. It’s time for labor to organize and kick butt. America has become a “right to work” country. THE Republican shameful sham.
Christy 20 well I believe my disagreement(which I thought was you until you changed the attribution of the post to Ian) was about the term “wage push inflation” and the reason the central banks pushed such a policy. Ian says it was to keep inflation down, I say it was a tissue thin exscuse to keep wages down. I believe that is a disagreement based on substance.
When we do it, the rich call it class warfare. When they do it, it’s natural law. I agree we lost.
For some reason, I’ve been thinking a lot about the Roman Republic recently. The wealthy and political classes used bread and circuses to distract the citizenry while they dismantled the economic foundations of the state. It wasn’t the most farsighted of policies. Eventually things spun out of control and they ended up not only with an empire but an emperor. Their empire building in some ways resembles our globalization. The Roman farmer the backbone of the Republic had his work outsourced to the slaves that Rome’s wars produced in abundance. Unable to compete, the farmers lost not only their jobs but their lands which were converted into the latifundia. It was the beginning of feudalism but, of course, that couldn’t happen to us. We’re modern.
A last point that ties in with wage suppression is the notion of increased efficiency and productivity. These are often touted as great goods and sometimes they are. More often they reflect that workers are paid the same for doing more. It’s good for investors, not so good for workers.
It’s worse than that thunder, if you believe the Iraqi occupation is so some folks could make alot of money.
That explains a lot. Thanks.
It seems that a the only things that would help rectify the situation are one, a “no, you can’t buy that” set of laws like Europe has. The blown Dubai ports deal is an example of that and it only got traction because of obvious security issues, not the less obvious economic ones; and two, a near confiscatory tax on wealth.
Rather than doing away with the estate tax, the elimination of which seems a integral part of the plan, it needs to be strengthened, with a fair exemption for homes, farms and small businesses. The marginal rates need to be adjusted to levels at the time of the Kennedy administration, adjusted for inflation. I would sugggest the rate go to 40% on incomes in excess of $500,000, 50% on the excess over excess over $1,000,000, 60% on the excess over $5,000,000 and 75% on the excess over $10,000,000.
Let some oil company CEO get a $400,000,000 retirement package. FIne, if that’s what the “market” and the shareholders will allow, but let about $300,000,000 go back to the people who made his income possible. Poor fellow will still have $100,000,000 to retire on and should be able to stay off the publiic relief rolls indefinately.
Class warfare? You bet. But they started it.
ifthethunderdontgetya #19
I reserve “feckless” to describe Democrats. Republicans are by and large just criminal.
D. Mason- Christy said very clearly in the first paragraph in italics that the post was from Ian Welsh. Why are you pressing Christy to answer this question?
Everyone can make their own graphs right at home!
Check out
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/datazone_dznational
click on
Download a spreadsheet containing all tables presented below:
[Download in Excel (xls) format]
look at first worksheet
Wagecuts_All
make a graph of how hourly wage has changed by percentile since 70s. Looks not so hot for everyone except top 20 or maybe (just maybe) 30 per cent.
Don’t you love the BS that if you lower taxes on the rich they invest and that creates jobs? Ha??????
You get an extra $1MM in unearned income… and what do you invest it in? Securities of course. Let’s see… I think I will buld a factory and hire 100 people… yea right. You have to pay taxes on THAT income and if you buy shares the rate is way lower.
It is a DISincentive to job creation.
Working harder and enjoying it less: the Puritan ethic has a resurgence thanks to BushCo.
Bastards!
Oh, and 5 more troops dead today!
Top oil executives earn over $13,000 an hour and the Republican controlled congress gave a 14.5 billion dollar corporate welfare gift to the enegy industry.
Minimum wage increase? Not so much.
By the way, the only thing which will allow for “you can’t buy that” laws and a revision in the tax codes to happen is a government which actually has the people’s interests at heart, rather than corporations. The only thing that can bring that about is a change in the way our public officials get elected, as currently they are beholden to large campaign donors, namely the corporate interests that put this whole scheme in place. Congresspeople are not about to bite the hand that feeds them, and it sure ain’t us.
The importance of clean money campaign laws looms larger than ever.
DefJef
That’s called “Trickled On Economics.”
Considering Unionized workers are part of the various graphs/arguments, I hope this ain’t too far afield…
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http://www.courant.com/news/lo.....6122.story
“NEW BRITAIN, Conn. — Democratic U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman votes for bills backed by one of the state’s biggest labor unions 83 percent of the time, but he still needed a strong pitch for the group’s endorsement at a recent meeting.
Many union members strongly oppose the war in Iraq, and they were disappointed that Lieberman, Connecticut’s junior senator, has so publicly supported it.
It’s a position in which Lieberman has often found himself lately - trying to convince traditional Democratic allies to support him in his first primary, against anti-war Greenwich businessman Ned Lamont.
Lieberman, a three-term senator, told members of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees on Thursday night that he understands not everyone agrees with him on the war. But he stressed unionized workers shouldn’t risk losing a strong supporter in the Senate because of a single issue.
“I’m not perfect, lord knows,” Lieberman told the workers, who have endorsed his past three Senate bids. “But my heart and my head are with you. More importantly, you don’t have to take it as a general statement. Take a look at my record.”
The approach worked. Despite Lamont’s vow to remove front-line troops from Iraq as soon as possible, support a universal health care system and fight unfair trade agreements, the unionized workers decided to stick with Lieberman after five hours of speeches and questions.
AFSCME’s steering committee voted 12-2 in favor of recommending Lieberman as the union’s endorsed candidate. The full union, which represents about 40,000 workers, votes July 7.
“He’s made some mistakes,” Keith Gatling, a member of the AFSCME Council 4 executive board, told fellow union members as they deliberated over who to recommend to the full union for an endorsement. “But his voting record - he’s been there for working families.”"
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That’s 40 thousand potential votes. There MUST be a way to get Ned’s message to rank and file before July 7.
Sorry for the intrusion, but I just found this in today’s Courant (slacking today…
As someone I forget once explained, the government can pretty much tell how much you are making if your income is reported mainly on a W-2 and tax you accordingly. If you are rich and little of your income is so reported, it is you who tell the government how much you made. I leave you to work out the consequences of that. Also increasing marginal rates doesn’t touch capital gains where a lot of the problem is and you would need to increase their rates as well as demand transparency in how wealth is held in this country.
The likelihood of any of this changing is small because what the rich do with their wealth is buy elections and politicians who then write laws ensuring that the rich not only stay rich but get richer.
Apologies if this has already been posted. But Sadly know gives us a brilliant update on “Townhouse” LOL I didn’t know Marco was so MEAN!!!
http://sadlyno.com/
Ol’ Rape Gurney Joe sure came off sounding whiney in that piece.
Aarrgh!
I came back to check on the end of the prior thread, only to find my pre-seminary studies rise up to greet me.
Yes, I was an econ major in college.
Fast hit and run - sorry Ian!- but it sure looks tasty.
You’re right on when it comes to oil/energy as a bottleneck on the economy. One of these days, when someone gets their Nobel prize for solving the nuclear waste problem or harnessing the sun cheaply, there’s gonna be a huge stirring up of the economy.
You thought the tech revolution of the 90s was something that changed the economy? Just wait - that’ll look like a little walk around the block compared with what serious innovation in energy technology will do.
Of course, we’d better work and hope the energy revolution gets here soon. It’s gettin’ warm around here. . . .
Hugh, I think you have a point with regards to accuracy, but I’m working on my polemical skillz. Criminal fiscal just doesn’t have the same alliteration.
How about this (I happen to have moved to Ohio recently):
Q: Ohio 15, how much would you pay for a representative who isn’t selling you down the Olentangy river?
A: Pryceless! Vote Mary Jo Kilroy in November!
There is plenty of gold to be mined in a rubber stamp republicon named Deboarah Pryce, who came in with the Contract On America.
http://www.kilroyforcongress.c.....merica.htm
Christy was asking the other day for ways to stop the war(s). Well here’s someone who is putting their neck on the line by refusing to deploy because he considers the war to be illegal and could do with some support.-
http://democracyrising.us/content/view/516/164/
No troops = no war.
Kudos to This Old Brit for the heads up
http://rickwrites.blogspot.com/
Sorry to butt in on your ecxellent post, Ian.
Hugh @ 38,
Nicely put!
Peterr:
You sound so optimistic. Must be your spirituality.
Blank Kludge #37
It would be interesting to know what voting for labor 83% of the time means. Those vote rankings are as far as I can see pretty much worthless. Does Lieberman, say, get a plus because he voted against Alito even though he voted to invoke cloture ensuring confirmation? Someone a while ago cited one of these lists and when I checked on the sight I found that something like 90% of the Democratic Senators had liberal voting records that were ranked 90% or better. I’m sorry those labor union leaders went that way but DINOs aren’t only to be found in the halls of Congress.
err when I cite “sight” I meant site.
sorry for OT - right now on the News Hour (in Seattle anyway) Gwen Ifill doing a piece on CT voters being pissed off at leiberman and Shays over there support for the war.
Very similar to the chart shown in the movie “Orwell Rolls In His Grave” (video.google.com)
Excellent movie about our wonderful protecting media!
1-Put frogs (GOP base) in a pot of water on the stove
2-Slowly increase heat (attacks on middle class)
3-They like it for awhile, can’t imagine better
4-When they finally realize what’s up
5-Slam on the lid (Thank GOD for the NSA)
We’re between 3 and 4. When we hit a full fledged 4, it’s gonna get real interesting.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Peterr –
Your thread lives . . .
Hugh -
You have a point. I get ‘all recited’ about the possible defeat of this guy. Any news contrary-wise is like a cattle prod.
My Dad was bitter with his Depression-era union experience. Stayed on strike for 18 mos. and eventually settled for basically the orig offer.
Later he worked under union rules in the Mil/Indus complex. (Helped NASA’s Apollo’s spacesuits go to the moon. I look up and see him in the sky.) BUt he never joined the union. Even w/overtime pay, never made more than 12k/yr. This, in the mid-Sixties.
Still, we never went hungry, had a car, and were able to afford some travel on 2 week vacations.
I myself have been AFSCME.
No research or data here. But I will say that, at least in the movie version of Hoffa, he had it right: “What’s good for the working man.” …even if he was one corrupt bastard. Heck, they still have enough clout to get UPS to agree some things.
It seems obvious to me that our economy is about making profits and not about job creation with concern for creating a “better life” for the average person.
Those whose income is “unearned” ie from interest, dividends, and “profits” are only interested in keeping the costs of production as low as possible. So they will not be raising wages, offering benes, and making real contributions to the benefit of the workers at the expense of profits.
The corporate system is the enemy of the people… and free market unfettered capitalism will ultimately destroy the economy.. as it squeezes more and more blood from a stone until there is nothing left.
Peterr #40: religion and economics. I guess there aren’t too many of us caught in both. My balm is that at the intersection of non-superivsory workers’ wages and religion lies my favorite religious song:
In Heaven, There Is No Beer
http://sniff.numachi.com/~rick.....HEAVN.html
If it weren’t for Hoffa and the Teamster’s Retirement Fund, Vegas would’ve never been built.
And I don’t think the Teamsters lost any money on the deal . . .
Urban pirate @ 15, the thing is that wage growth is somewhere around double whatever the actual dollar/hour wage increase, due to taxes and worker’s comp and the like. One of the two most important things you can do in your business (the other being increasing sales) is hold or lower costs affecting your margin. Wage increases are one of the hardest to hold the lid on, and one of the most important. When I increase my class A driver’s wage a dollar, I end up with about $2 increase and that hurts.
The investor class, as you say, is interested in one thing only in the quarterly report: profit margin. If your profits are increasing with sales, you can expect your stock prices to rise, or at least hold steady. If your profits are decreasing with increased costs, your stock price will tank (and you will be eliminated).
That’s one reson why (IMO) executives are paid so obscenely; they are paid huge sums to make them think only in terms of bottom-line margins, therefore slashing costs.
All of us that have been in Tech and other industries over the last fifteen years can attest to the increased pressure on the execs to report great numbers each quarter.
Wesgpc @ 17, in my world over the last ten years I have seen the need to keep a job become the dominate effort by almost all workers, rather than before when most folks thought their job, company, industry (and for that matter, economy) were assumed to be safe.
I think productivity is still promoted by all management, and keeping your job is one way to promote it. Look at the wild success of Jack Welch’s stupid fire-the-lowest-10%-performing-managers-every-year management method. I know folks in the tech industry that have become paranoid about management measurements, when ten years ago it was “here’s the design, what’s next, and don’t screw with me with management review crap”. So productivity rises, but wages are pressured from above to stay stagnant.
Two other things: A decade or two ago, we had shortages of skilled people. Then a couple of things happened. We graduated a bunch of professionals in engineering, management, marketing, accounting, every specialty. We increased the number of visas for skilled professionals, further increasing supply.
We also outsourced a lot of jobs and moved design and manufacturing offshore, decreasing demand. Some high-demand industries suffered a downturn, like software and the like, further decreasing demand. (And of course, lower-wage jobs are controlled by a number of things as well, including totally shitty schools that do nothing to prepare employees to hold a job, the fact that few people can raise a family on a typical low-wage job, immigrant pressure, and so on. It’s just as bad at the bottom—I don’t think anyone, at any employment level, feels safe these days…)
The point is that suddenly the employer was in the drivers seat, and the employee was unable to demand a higher wage to get, or keep, a job.
But productivity is still rising, and as the snarky comment says: we’ve done so much with so little for so long, we can do anything with nothing forever!
(Disclaimer: I am not an economist, just a Tech refugee now running a small business)
Hey all, sorry I was cranky earlier. I clearly need some sleep — I’m not generally snappish like that, and I’m feeling badly about it. Bygones?
Just owning my seat before the work weekend starts. I have a poor head for economics and sure appreciate Ian’s help here, and Ian, I like graphs!! Also wanted to thank Peterr for his very interesting post and thread, got on a bit too late to comment but will when the next one comes around.
I always find it fascinating when someone comments about why fdl doesn’t write a post about “this or that thing that is so important”, expressing mild disgust or something. I can hardly think of one thing that is important to progressives, liberals and humans which hasn’t been addressed here! It’s great to hear from our own commenters who are stepping up to help out and I am really enjoying all the perspectives and styles. I’ve learned a lot, am still working on getting caught up with older threads, and appreciate all the effort everyone is exerting with posting and moderation–a truly masterful job.
This weekend is the St. Peter’s Fiesta in Gloucester, the blessing of the Fleet, a huge deal for our Italian families and for our community. If anyone is in the area, it’s going to pour rain, but it’s still a lot of fun. In the spirit of the event, I wish you all “Buona Festa” and a wonderful weekend.
Love and hugs to Jane.
Oh, Christy, don’t be silly! Just rest and take care, m’kay.
(((((((((((((((((((((hug)))))))))))))))))))))))
Hi Ian, thanks for giving us firedogs a perspective we don’t usually see here at the lake. Consider these trends: the growing inequality between the haves and have-nots, the marginalization of unions, the decimation of manufacturing jobs in the US, (now spreading to technical and engineering jobs), Republican assaults on social and safety net programs, the concentration of political power away from the people. Would you agree with those who predict that the logical result of these trends will eventually be a reversion to a feudal system, with the corporate class as the overlords, and us as the serfs?
“Trickle down economics” means that 90 percent of the people gets what little the other 10 percent allows to trickle down.
When my father retired at the end of 1979, after 40 years as a mechanical engineer, he was making 27k/year. I’m making 40k/year … and I’m not doing as well as he did, with a wife and three kids to support. I don’t think it should to work like that.
I’m not surprised that union leaders would endorse Lieberboy. I think of them as management; in their own minds they may not be running a ‘real business’, but they forget that a union is a business, in effect: income (dues) and outgo (benefits).
In 1968, the American middle class reached it’s zenith of economic prosperity — at the time, corporations paid 30% of American tax revenues.
Now, corporations pay less than 10%, and real wages continue to fall.
The American political system and the its tax code are bought and paid for by corporations and the uber rich — the working class is the loser in the equation.
Between the K-Street GOP and Davos Democrats, the blue collar working stiff doesn’t bother to vote because politicians don’t care, or votes GOP because they share his values.
Are they wrong?
Hi zennurse #56:
I always find it fascinating when someone comments about why fdl doesn’t write a post about “this or that thing that is so important”, expressing mild disgust or something.
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Mild disgust!? No Way. Ever hopeful is more like it.
I wanna voting rights, GOTV, election law column! Right now! Waaah waah waah!
Something useful for the troops over the next four short months. Or maybe FDL or commenters can refer a good blog. Brad Blog seems too reactive, scandal obsessed, and concentrated on electronic voting fraud to me. Not that useful for GOTV people and for strategies to keep local officials honest, good issues to contact reps about. Known fraud has been GOP coordinating voter suppression efforts with state and local governments.
Thanks for the excuse.
OT: EPU’d many threads back: the wingnuts are onto us - here’s a picture of Dr. EvilKos, our taskmaster
I realize that FDL has its hands full right now. So the right now! was in jest.
punaise #62; that must be some picture, since my computer says I am forbidden to see it.
I’m forbidden too, punaise.
This might be worth reading, for those who haven’t:
http://www.emergingdemocraticm.....001186.php
Chirsty, a true family (loving) relationship allows for a certain amount of snapishness.
Or, as the Aussies say, “No worries, mate, ‘ave a beer!”
wesgpc — Tristero at Digby’s blog Hullabaloo has done some great work on election issues. Check out some of the past posts on that over there. It’s a convoluted and intricate subject that I’m only beginning to get a handle on — and I’m one of the alwyer the DNC trained to do litigation in WV if it was needed last time around. (Yeah, that’s comforting, isn’t it?)
wespgpc - really? it’s just Markos’ face photoshopped onto Dr. Evil of Austin Power fame, crooked pinky and all.
if you must, try this direct link.
(Go to the November 20, 2005 entry)
wesgpc and Suzanne - I put up a different link but it’s in moderation. really, nothing to fuss about. just something I stumbled across w/ Google, good for a chuckle.
Punaise — that is HILARIOUS! Where did you find it?
Re punaise @ 6:50 pm:
ex-donkey.mu.ne has blocked referrals from FDL. If you copy-and-paste the link into a new browser window, you can still see the picture.
Christy, I defer to seepeesate above. Otherwise just Google “Dr. Evil Kos” for Images, and voila!
here’s the link for cut and paste:
http://images.google.com/imgre.....chives/Kos Dr. Evil.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ex-donkey.mu.nu/archives/2005_11.php&h=210&w=279&sz=9&tbnid=gE2Oehmw0UvFzM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=109&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images?q=kos evil&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
Okay, I’m kicking back with a glass of chardonney, and putting the finishing touches on the next post. Much better…
Again, coming late to the discussion, with the added handicap of never really getting as good a grasp on economics as I should have.
It just seems to me that an increasingly heavy burden is being placed on those with earned income, making it all but impossible for wage-earners to ascend the economic ladder.
And with statistics being able to be skewed to support the argument that lower taxes on unearned income are better for the economy, and when that argument is being made by those who can affect tax rates and tax policy, the guy who’s bringing home a paycheck, who has no savings, who has no stock portfolio, who owns nothing other than the house he lives in and the car he drives (both of which are leveraged), and buys everything with after-tax dollars, he is behind so far he can never get ahead.
The greater the pressures on the wage-earner, the less money gets spent, while the spending habits of the wealthy probably do not change all that much.
But anytime this discussion comes up, we get portrayed like modern-day Robin Hoods, who want to “steal” from the rich to “give” to the poor, and the implication is that the poor don’t deserve any breaks, because they don’t create jobs.
ah, heck, try this via photobucket
I guess this helps explains why the GOPers are so intent on reducing or eliminating the Estate Tax.
They are such gluttonous pigs!
Thanks for the great explanation and graphics, Ian.
Christy, I join you and salute you. Please do NOT apologize for anything whatsoever. You have done a terrific job and we more than appreciate it. I’ve been without an assistant at work for the last 6 weeks and I’m about to flip out. Just hired someone yesterday but she can’t start for 2 weeks. Weeeeeeeee!
I can only hope you were granted permission to post that photo, punaise.
say, Christy, are you sharing that Chardonnay?
And I’m kicking back with a glass of Sauvignon Blanc - but only because I want to offer Christy as much moral support as possible!
oops. guess I better take it down. sorry for the tease.
punaise forgets to dot his eyes and cross his tease.
Punaise: Aw heck, even I knew this Markos guy was doctor evil. Did you know he orders FDL around? Tells them to stifle and stuff like that.
Christy: thanks for being patient with my whining. I will look for a good blog on voting in addition to brad blog. Good luck on election day in WV! Or maybe you’ll need it for a week or so.
“The US had a class war and the rich won.”
I knew that, but it is nevertheless a shock to see it written down.
On a more serious note, Ian, you have filled in a blank that I have never been able to figure out. Oil, middle eastern billionaires and the invention of guys like Trump (how apropo, just a sheik in a suit or rather the sheiks are Trumps in a thobe).
Al Gore is right - oil is the root of all evil, and of course why all the oil companies are scared to death that people will begin to take global warming seriously.
Obviously in the final analysis, the earth will win this battle, however it plays out. People on the other hand, are options only.
shoephone: I suppose that’s supposed to be funny? hmmm?
LOL :~)
OT…
Has FDL done any work at the 9.11 “official” story? As I read online these days, the more the official story looks like a swiss cheese. This is very troubling, because that WAS the first salvo in the “GWOT” which has given us not only the Afghan war was but the Iraq “situation”.
new thread.
I appreciate the posts on topics that are a challenge for me to grasp. My knowledge about wages and labor issues is limited relative to the content in these threads. Jordan Barab’s recent post “Unions: Service Sector Workers’ Path To The Middle Class” also comes to mind.
Kind of like the eye opening FDL series earlier this spring on the ever nascent racism in GOP politics, it was tough to chew initially, but definitely made it to me belly.
The estate tax is just the final step in the institutionalization of hereditary wealth. The problem with this is that it’s uneconomic. Trickle down assumes that the wealthy through their investments are the best creators of new wealth and jobs but they aren’t and betting on this as a nation is a failing strategy. It is almost an article of faith that countries at their zenith think that there is something inherent about them that will keep them in their predominant position. They make stupid decisions. They become complacent. They don’t do what is necessary to stay ahead of the everchanging curve and they lose their favored status. It’s happened many times. It is happening to us now. We have great resources but they are being squandered, wasted, and misdirected. We are not being smart and history has no time for fools.
All OT -
LindaR - I went to your blog and saw the referals. Thanks :)
Wesgpc - I think religions use psychology, but I wouldn’t call it psychotheraputic, at least in practice. What religions are supposed to be in theory might be a different story.
well I’ve made a mess of this thread. move along folks, nothing to see….
(”Well, you see, officer, it all started out so innocently…”)
EPU, how bold of you
punaise - maybe more “hmmm” than “funny”. (But I like the way you tease…)
now must to dinner.
Christy, did Markos say you could have that glass of wine?
Ian — great post, thanks for posting, please next time could we have a pie chart? I love pie…..
ohmigod- i didn’t mean to yell.
… ah, yes, we are all universally bold now!
?
Sorry punaise, but I am looking for evidence here. (Cue pink panther theme.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Shot_in_the_Dark
I think this is importnat news: Norquist finally busted:
(June 23, 2006 — 05:42 PM EST // link)
So Grover Norquist has been exposed as a money launderer and crypto lobbyist. What happens now?
– Paul Kiel
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....008832.php
D Mason@18
Nobody has nor rationally can claim that “‘wage push inflation’ was caused by a desire to keep inflation down”. The phrase does not make sense. Ian Welsh explained that when wages rise, the rise feeds into higher consumption spending on goods driving prices up. What Ian did not say is that higher consumption goods prices, equating to higher cost of living, feeds into demand for still higher wages thus causing an inflationary spiral. Ian Welsh also explained that higher disposable incomes generate higher consumption of goods and services upto a point, even conspicuous consumption has a ceiling. Once that celing is reached, the excess income is invested in assets. Wages usually do not reach that ceiling, hence the conviction that higher wages lead to higher prices which is inflation.
While oil is traded against the US$ in the international oil exchanges in London and New York, the petrodollars earned by the prodcers require assets to invest. Such assets are in short supply in the producing countries but are relatively abundant in the west. Europe protects itself with legal restrictions on foreign owenership of its assets. US relies on creating a small wealthy group who can compete with oil producers’ petrodollars. Costs involved are growing inequalities.
This is also at the heart of why the US walked into Iraq. It was not a mistake but a deliberate calculated imperialist strategy to gain a foothold in the Persian Gulf, the repository of the world’s oil reserves bordering the oil rich Caspian basin. Saddam had been trading Iraqi oil for Euros with UN approval. It was vital for the US to instal a more amenable regime in Iraq and set an example in the region before the idea took hold among other OPEC members. Afghanistan was a distraction. That explains the neo-con cut and run from Afghanistan to redeploy in Iraq before the Pearl Harbour metaphor of 9/11 ran cold. Suskind alludes to this in his recent book.
It is true that what currency oil trades for is not as important as to what those earnings from the sale of oil is spent on. Investment assets are not plentiful in less developed countries, restricted to foreigners in Europe and now it seems in US. Trade and budget deficits are, however, financed through international sales Federal Reserve bonds. But to maintain demand for them requires a competitive rate of return. This is why I personally see interest rates edging up in the future as many countries seek to diversify their foreign currency holdings.
One last dot, re the management of US ports. The real insecurity is not ownership but inadequate customs checks.
shoephone : I can dish it out and I can take it!