
On this day in 1633, Galileo Galilei was forced by the Catholic Church to recant his endorsement of Nicolaus Copernicus’ claim that the earth revolves around the sun. He was threatened with torture and sentenced to life in prison, finally ending up with a life sentence of house arrest after promising never to mention his ideas ever again.
How far we have come. Today, nobody gets tortured and the people in power embrace science… just not in America.
Legend has it that Galileo got his sentence commuted to house arrest by keeping his cool, but never truly abandoning his beliefs. "Eppur si muove," he supposedly said of the earth. "And yet it does move."
And now, 373 years later, it is clear the earth itself was keeping its cool back then as well. The National Research Council released a 155-page report today, in which they claim:
Surface temperature reconstructions for periods prior to the industrial era are only one of multiple lines of evidence supporting the conclusion that climatic warming is occurring in response to human activities, and they are not the primary evidence.
…
In summary, large-scale surface temperature reconstructions are proving to be important tools in our understanding of global climate change. They contribute evidence that allows us to say, with a high level of confidence, that global mean surface temperature was higher during the last few decades of the 20th century than during any comparable period during the preceding four centuries.
If you haven’t seen Al Gore’s "An Inconvenient Truth" yet, go see it. You will leave the theater knowing both that we can rise to this challenge and also that we never will as long as we’re putting people like George Bush in power.
Bush was willing to say that we, as a nation, are "addicted to oil." But our leaders are addicted to money from the oil industry. Next week, another film will be released: "Who Killed the Electric Car?" The documentary shows how companies like GM built electric cars in response to zero-emission legislation in California, only to put them in a giant shredder as soon as the federal government came to the oil industry’s rescue and overruled the state legislature. The cars were destroyed before any real attempt was made to market them to the public.
On Tuesday, the Smithsonian removed a GM EV1 — one of the only surviving models in existence — from public display. The museum and GM deny it has anything to do with the film. What is replacing the EV1? A robotic SUV.
They’ve destroyed their electric cars and are instead promoting their existing gas-guzzlers, like the Hummer, by offering $1.99 per gallon gas cards. How’s that working out for them? While the Smithsonian was spiriting away the EV1, GM’s debt rating was downgraded "deeper into junk territory."
Simply stated, there are no good economic arguments against trying to save the planet. As Gore says, all it takes is "political will." But that will is sorely lacking in Washington. Just today, friend to Jack Abramoff and oil, Richard Pombo (R-CA), pushed a bill through his House Resources Committee, "a measure that partially lifts a 25-year-old federal ban on offshore drilling and lets Virginia and other coastal states determine if they want to drill close to shore."
We have to get responsible people back in office. The shortsighted GOP is incapable of addressing the grave problem undeniably facing the planet. General Motors, the Republicans in Congress and the oil industry are pretending that the electric car isn’t a viable option.
And yet it does move.
Update: Scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in I.M. Pei’s magnificent facilities in Boulder, Colorado, also released a study today, in which they conclude that global warming was responsible for half of the increase in hurricane strength in 2005. The science is in. The time for action is now.
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fitzeroony!
Every little bit helps:
http://www.carbonfootprint.com/
Me too! Hi Dover Bitch! Wohooooooo
Your post inspired me to recall something an old friend, now having left the earth, used to have a group of us repeat, with hope. Perhaps it still can still apply –
The Great Invocation
From the point of Light within the Mind of God
Let light stream forth into the minds of men.
Let Light descend on Earth.
From the point of Love within the Heart of God
Let love stream forth into the hearts of men.
May Christ return to Earth.
From the centre where the Will of God is known
Let purpose guide the little wills of men %u2013
The purpose which the Masters know and serve.
From the centre which we call the race of men
Let the Plan of Love and Light work out
And may it seal the door where evil dwells.
Let Light and Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth.
Thank goodness they would never hide a cure for cancer.
It only took 359 years for the Catholic Church to reverse its decision from 1633, so the anti-science wing of the republican party has another three centuries or so to come around.
Of course, if things continue as they are, we may not have three centuries to spare while we wait.
it seems to me and my neighbors that thunderstorms and tornados are getting worse and more frequent in Indiana — this very day is another one under the terrorism of impending bad weather. CO2 emissions gotta be controlled !
Thanks for writing this.
I’d hate to see this crucial issue back-burnered AGAIN. We truly are running out of time.
And PLUS–it really is an entertaining movie as well! If you haven’t seen it yet … go tonight! :)
Yay Dover Bitch!
Great post.Makes you wonder what else the fuckers have got hidden away.
Not comparing Gore to Galileo, but, once under house arrest, Galileo produced his most startling work, Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences.
What always makes me writhe in anguish is thinking about how many hundreds of billions of dollars we’ve wasted in Iraq to protect our oil interests . . . and how far that could have gone towards R & D and the development of an alternative-energy infrastructure in this country–
In other words, a more PERMANENT solution.
Thanks, Dover Bitch, great post and great thoughts. Small footprints aren’t enough anymore, just a tiny tear in a huge, huge bucket.
OT and may have been posted earlier, but have you seen this:
Preemptive strike on N. Korean missile?
I have always liked the idea of defying lies until one’s last breath: Eppur si muove.
Eureka – you may not have seen my private stash.
http://www.dakotamart.com/images.new/advil.jpg
I’ll share.
The Sorrow thread about Jane’s mother is still open, and is receiving comments at about one per minute. Now at # 453.
(((((((((((Jane and sister)))))))))))
When he was on Charlie Rose, Al Gore said that the Montreal Protocols banning CFC’s has turned around the ozone depletion problem.
That is very good news, and gives us hope that we might be able to survive the greenhouse effect crisis — but we must act, and act soon.
Thanks for this post. I want to echo the recommendation that everyone see An Inconvenient Truth if you haven’t.
The only thing that really surprised me in the movie was the fact that China has more fuel efficient cars than we do.
The same China, where (in 2000) only 5 of 500 cities have clean air. The same China, with leaders quoted as saying if economic success is at the expense of the environment, then so be it. Ford, GM, et al have no excuses anymore. Bah.
Tell me does any politican, political commentor etc who does not believe in global warming own stock in GM or Ford? I’m not talking a minor holding but 20% and over of their total holdings in these companies. After all if you really don’t believe in global warming and think the president is doing a great job in Iraq then American auto stocks are a buying oppertunity because they are cheap. So when Bush wins the war and the price of oil goes down you will clean up, but does Bush own any stocks like GM that says he really does believe he will win the war. Anticapating an objection, all Bush’s money is in a blind trust well Sen Frist has shown the phrase blind trust is a joke
Ah yes, egregious, the Sorrow thread is headed for 500 at the moment and will no doubt break FDL records: one we can all bookmark for comfort and inspiration whenever we need it. Bat’s 394 is among the many not to be missed.
Eppur si muove.
Great post. Again:
Today, nobody gets tortured and the people in power embrace science …
just not in America.
Think how different the world would be if they we lived in a democracy.
Mary – Thank Gawd !! lmao…
Thanks to Cujo for the link to Levin amendment votes. One of my Senators voted for it !! Blanche Lincon will get a huge thank you call from me tomorrow.
OT
Olberman is destroying Little Ricky right now!
EPU’d from a couple threads ago (my first EPU!) (I didn’t want to post this on the Sorrow thread – wasn’t appropriate.)
RE: TNR
It just occurred to me that they are picking a fight with FDL to stir up controversy and increase web hits. I fell for it yesterday. They are going to do whatever it takes to increase circulation, even if it is from people who want to throw rocks at them. I am betting it is somehow revenue related. Here is what we can do: no linking, no visiting, no mentioning, no giving them any oxygen. BOYCOTT TNR!!!
Olberman is destroying Little Ricky right now!
Fish in a barrel — never so fun.
OT only cause it is a suggestion about something Redd said and the sorrow thread.
Christy — you suggested doing another Saturday morning recipe/reader thread.
Can we bring comfort food (virtually) to Jane and her family? I feel like I need to do something! and I usually take a dish — turkey pot pie or spinach/sausage lasgna — to my friends and neighbors who have babies or experience loss….
Bring a dish to Jane and sis on Saturday morning, everybody!
immanentize – Funny you mentioned that. It was my first thought after such sad news. So I made a new soup creamy jalapeno… fdl soul food. We would have to send Jane a wheelbarrow!!!! *g*
immm at 26 — I love that idea. Let’s do that on Saturday morning. That would be lovely.
“Olberman is destroying Little Ricky right now!”
Poor poor pitiful Little Ricky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..earch=poor poor pitiful me
Creamy jalapeno recipe was from last week. Saving my review for Sat. Will say I am eating like a thirty nine year old.
I really apolgize for intruding on (the very much most excellent) Dover Bitch and her thread and suggesting people go back to the other thread, but has everyone gone back?
I can’t stop the tears rolling down my cheeks.
Just can’t.
PS Lotus and Eureka. Let us do!
Yer on, imm!
Got plenty of cornbread, Eureka? Hope so!
poor Lil Ricky! Keith Olberman is really whacking him … repeatedly!
Eureka Springs, AR,
The Levin Amendment was the Establishment Democrat effort. It went down 60-39. Compared to the Kerry Amendment which garnered only 13 courageous votes, it was mealy mouthed. It did not ask for a timetable, just sort of hoped one would happen, and called for an international conference as if there are still countries out there who want to walk into the Iraqi hornet’s nest to bail Bush out. I don’t think so. Senators had a chance to make a statement with the Kerry Amendment. Voting for the Levin one is much like voting for cloture insuring a bill’s passage and then voting against the bill itself. I am sorry to be so negative but it just seems to me to be DINO politics at its worse.
*ilson46201
Jeez. Talk about piling on. And Alter, too! Love it.
Pombo would have made a great cardinal. He has a certain suave gravitas as he declaims pompously on why important people like himself and oil companies need to be respected, and why scientists are enemies of the truth.
Swopa has a post up that seemed to me to tie in with this theme, although on something that is more a crisis of conscience than of envirnomnent.
http://www.prospect.org/web/pa…..leId=11655
Americanized torture cells harken back to an earlier time.
Use of the 4 ft by 4 ft by 20 inch cells that Gen Formica thought “reasonable” echoed in the descriptions by Albert Camus of the use of the dungeon cells called the “little ease” in the middle ages. “It was not high enough to stand up in nor yet wide enough to lie down in.” Also descriptions by Solzhenitsyn of use of similar cells in the Russian Gulags.
Apparently the whole point, though, of these cells is to make sure *they* don’t move.
immanentize 32,
Don’t apologize. I’ll join you: Please visit this thread and leave comments for Jane if you have not.
Seems to be down right now, but I love this blog: http://www.realclimate.org
Dover, thanks for a great post.
Per lotus at 4:56
“Bat says:
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:00 pm
13 years ago on this day my mother died from breast cancer, and I miss her everyday. Following your journey over the past several days has reconnected me with feelings about my own loss, and that of my family. My condolences, and may the caring of this wonderful community you’ve created, and the strength of your own spirituality carry you through these painful times.
I’ve been a lurker for the past 8 months, and have been moved two join in on several occasions, but I’m blind and the Assistive Technology I use to work with computers wasn’t getting along with the comments form. I hope these thoughts get through to you.”
Bat, your thoughts got through to all of us. Welcome to you and all new littermates — your joining us lightens a heavy day, and we trust that’s mutual.
wesgpc
Also great: Scary, but great:
http://www.scorecard.org/
One point with the ozone hole over the Antarctic — while it is true that progress is being made it will be beyond our lifetimes before it is “fixed”. It’s the same thing with climate change from the CO2 buildup — even if we “stop tomorrow” it will take hundreds of years to be “fixed” (and who knows what will happen in the mean time…)
Dover Bitch – excellent, again. In California, the AQMD board that did such yoeman’s work reducing the smog level and mandating emmission reductions was deemed (GASP) TOO LIBERAL! They were making it too hard for the widdle businesses, so wankers were appointed and it seems most of the progress has *vanished*.
And now I fly to Sorrow. Namaste, everyone.
I posted this earlier today. These are what I thought were the relevant portions of the Levin Amendment:
Levin Amendment 4320: To state the sense of Congress on United States policy on Iraq.
Note the cosponsors:
Sen Reed, Jack [RI]
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA]
Sen Salazar, Ken[CO]
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY]
Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [DE]
Sen Obama, Barack [IL]
Sen Rockefeller, John D., IV [WV]
Democrats who voted against:
Dayton (D-MN)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Republican who voted for:
Chafee (R-RI)
Its basic points are sharing of Iraqi resources among sectarian groups, an international conference (as if anyone is really stupid enough to get involved at this point), and:
(C) the Iraq Government should promptly and decisively disarm the militias and remove those members of the Iraqi security forces whose loyalty to the Iraq Government is in doubt
[Note: overlooking the fact that the militias are the government and everyone has multiple allegiances]; and
(D) the President should–
(i) expedite the transition of United States forces in Iraq to a limited presence and mission of training Iraqi security forces, providing logistic support of Iraqi security forces, protecting United States infrastructure and personnel, and participating in targeted counterterrorism activities
[Notice no schedule or deadline given];
(ii) after consultation with the Government of Iraq, begin the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq this year; and
(iii) submit to Congress a plan by the end of 2006 with estimated dates for the continued phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq, with the understanding that unexpected contingencies may arise;
[Notice: Ditto above]
(2) during and after the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq, the United States will need to sustain a nonmilitary effort to actively support reconstruction, governance, and a durable political solution in Iraq; and
(3) the President should carefully assess the impact that ongoing United States military operations in Iraq are having on the capability of the United States Government to conduct an effective counterterrorism campaign to defeat the broader global terrorist networks that threaten the United States.
[Notice: “carefully assess” them’s fighting words and so characteristic and realistic to expect from this President.]
Bottom line: Mealy mouthed mush.
That was just my take. You can disagree. If anyone is interested I will post shortly how to get to the votes and the texts.
Eureka, creamy jalapeno sounds very good, please post it Saturday!
I’ve been looking at my old church ladies’ cookbooks. Those have some amazing recipes.
*ilson, here in Ohio I know the tornados are getting worse. A tree just got blown down 2 houses away from us, fortunately not on a house.
I’ll post a recipe for one of my favorite deserts, buttermilk pie with raspberry sauce. IIRC, Jane’s a southern girl, and this pie is the soul of southern comfort.
they don’t have to have long term plans because either the rapture is coming and it won’t matter..or God will provide. all you need is faith and a prayer….
Dover, fantastic post. Great analogy. My heart is heavy today from the sadness of FDL news, the pain and suffering we inflict throughout the globe with this God awful war, and the thoughtless damage we are doing to our planet.
immanentize #44: thanks, that is neat, though you are right, scary. Easy URL to remember too.
Hugh – I wholeheartedly agree, just looking for any opening possible to keep Sen. Blanche voting against Reps. in any way possible.
Dover Bitch – I love typing that.. Gets a ROOTS!!! from me. The war on moma terra, demands a war against our own behavior. I don’t think you could find a drop of uncalled for oil (grease) in our town, lots of converted mercedes diesel. Solar homes, partially and completely off the grid are common. Twenty grand will get you off the grid with air conditioning. Folks are way ahead of Uncle Sam on this one in so many ways. I used nine gallons of gasoline last month in my SUV and lawn mower.
Just caught something on CNN about anti-terror raids in Miami and Chicago (Sears Tower involved, I think).
Also this AP story.
WOT a surprise. (cue theme from “Jaws”)
For an understanding of the right’s attack on anything to do with science one must read Asimov’s short story ‘Nightfall’. Much like Orwell, written a long time ago, but so true to what’s happening today.
If you want to see Senate votes, the easiest way is google “senate votes” or just go to
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo…../votes.htm
This shows only the most recent one or two roll call votes (voice votes are recorded and can only be found in the Congressional Record). If you want to an older vote, say like the Levin Amendment, click on 2006 (109th, 2nd) which is the current session. This will take you to a listing of roll call votes which includes the Levin Amdt. It is roll call 182 and the Amendment number is 4320 and it is attached to S. 2766 which is the Defense Appropriations Bill for 2007.
(Scrolling down and reading the titles of legislation is a good way to get a feel for what your Congresspeople are doing and you can always peek in and see how they voted.)
If you click on the 182, you will go to a screen that shows a breakdown of the vote.
If you are interested in information beside the vote, click on the amendment number (4320). This will take you to a screen where you will see the bill sponsor and cosponsors, its history/status, and a numbered link to the text. Remember this number since the next screen you will see will give numbered references to the Congressional Record. Click on your number and you will finally get to the text that you were looking for.
This may seem like a lot but it is really easy after you do it once or twice. The text I think can be worth a read because it is often not exactly what it is portrayed to be.
To get to House votes, google “house votes” and do much the same. You will notice the House version is less sophisticated and less informative.
Hope someone somewhere finds this useful.
Up and running now, check it out: http://www.realclimate.org
Some of it way over my head. Some I read to figure out how they do them dang statistics in climate science and I take the physics on faith. But some posts easy to follow and introductory. Good review of Gore’s Inconvenient Truth in archives someplace.
Not comparing Gore to Galileo, but, once under house arrest, Galileo produced his most startling work, Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences.
That’s not true. The dialogue was published in 1632 and is considered the proximate cause for Gallileso’s arrest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D…..ld_Systems
Thanks for mentioning that the Sorrow thread was still open, I didn’t realize. I want to echo the above mention of Bat’s comment and just encourage Bat to continue to comment here, that one made it through and there are some folks here who might know how to make things easier for you. Don’t let technology get in the way of joining the family if you want to!!!
I haven’t seen Inconvenient Truth yet, but I’m just thrilled that it’s getting the attention it deserves. It’s playing at an 8 screen theater nearby where they keep things like that for weeks and weeks, and also have documentaries, “small films” and foreign films. Re: changes in local climate, for the last 5-6 years, the New England winters have been less snowy and warmer, and summers have been much hotter. Mid June and we’ve had lots of 85-90 degree days, which never used to happen until July. I can remember one winter when I didn’t shovel at all.
zen, I just read the beautiful words you left on the sorrow thread. You are such a gift to this place. Peace to you.
It saddens me to see how the Democrats voted on the Iraq issue. They had a chance to really rally the public around them…instead they’re letting the Administration deffine them ..yet again…
I can summ up the Republican strategy as ‘losing is the new winning’…
I just hope Americans can see through the fog of lies.
Oh, gosh meta, thanks. That was nice of you.
FWIW “Dark Side” is being shown again in the Boston area tonight at 10:00 on WENH (new hampshire PBS).
Then again, “Buckaroo Bonzai” is on PLEX
Hugh, what a great little primer, you’re a real pal for taking the time to do that. I’ve navigated there a few times and it can be confusing for newbies. Totally worth saving.
More on Pombo by Howie Klein
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ding-pombo
immantenize- thanks for that, I had a migraine last night and couldn’t do it- I did go to the website though and they have interviews and some other interesting stuff, as well as a link to another show called “Rumsfeld’s war” from ‘04.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
^^^Cheney
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..agon/view/
^^^Rumsfeld
Thanks John, I wish I had linked to that in the piece. I forgot about Howie’s post.
kalina, your ‘losing is the new winning’ speaks for Karl and the gang better than they can for themselves — now to get the DC Dems to stop listening to that dreck!
And the poem you contributed to the Sorrow thread haunts with its beauty. Thanks so much.
john in sacramento – possbly the wrong link ?
nevermind
Also, if anyone’s interested, the Bureau of Indian Affairs report (McCain’s investigation) into Abramoff and Scanlon (Reed, Ney etal) has been released. I’ve been scanning it, TPM Muckraker has snippets, but if you want to have it, it’s here: warning .pdf
http://www.indian.senate.gov/p…..Report.pdf
lotus at 68
thank you, your support encouraged me to post, this is a very new experience for me…
the poem is from an amazing Bulgarian woman/poet the equivalent of Vatlav Havel. She was a great artist, political figure and one of the nicest people that walked this earth. I have a feeling that Jane and Christy are very similar.
zen, welcome back from your migraine! Lordy, those are awful. Hope yours are widely spaced and getting more so all the time.
Eureka, twenty grand, really? I don’t have it, but I would love to convince my best friend to convert her house. Do you think that would be enough to heat for a new eng winter? I think I need to research this more.
Zennurse. Hello. Migraines/ Me too — after periods of stress, when it’s all over, I get nailed.
So sorry….
Kalina 77 at 72 (heh), I bet you’re right about that. Anytime you want to share more of her, we’ll be glad!
Dover B ;)
Watch the trailers to An Inconvenient Truth and Who Killed the Electric Car
lotus, I have had them all my life and also have fibromyalgia, so they seem to be worse than ever. I’ve tried everything, but regular massage therapy helps the most. Hate them, hate them, but they come and I live through them. As I say about most things, I can do anything, an hour at a time. Even pain.
Especially pain.
Zennurse -
:)
((((((*!*))))))
immantenize, this was travel, and jet lag. I had one in Calif too, after Saturday am at the conference then 6 hours on 2 planes. Missed a whole day with my 24 year old firstborn who I hadn’t seen in over a year!!! Always at the worst times, aren’t they?
Enough about my head, blahblah.
Hey, Bobby-babe, did you see the comment above from Bat (from the sorrow thread). Let’s watch for Bat and see what the issue is, I’m sure there’s someone (hint-hint) who can help.
zen and imm, I had ‘em from my teens into about my mid 40’s, when they gradually began to give. Knock wood, it’s been quite a while since the last, and I hope something will get you guys past them too before long.
Boy, now THERE’s a worthy scientific goal.
Zennurse -
No, I didn’t will have to go look.
A recent PBS NOVA ‘Dimming the Sun’ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/ described how high-altitude soot has altered global rainfall patterns & masked the greenhouse effect. I was gonna type ‘dimming the sum’ but can’t bring myself to joke about it – earthlings are gonna be in a seriously bad way 50 years from now.
Zen…
This one?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-154380
And let us not forget the special tax incentives the Bushies gave to businesses that bought vehicles of a certain size, and we suddenly had a population explosion of Hummers.
I sit here on the hillside in North Salt Lake overlooking a several oil refineries that recently have resumed their old 80’s habits, frequently releasing dark clouds of pollutants. With cutbacks in enforcement, who’s going to stop them?
I am encouraged, though, that Utah’s Republican governor agreed with other western governors this week that global warming is indeed a serious problem that must be addressed.
http://www.slcblues.blogspot.com
Bobby, Bat is at 394 on that thread, but John Casper repeated his post at 42 here.
David Olsen @ 58
Flipped it. Thanks
schwa 84 -
Read Tim Flannery’s frightening and depressing (and utterly scientific) global warming book “The Weather Makers.“
Without concerted wordlwide efforts commencing ASAP, humans in 50 – 100 years are gonna be in a literal world of hurt.
Beyond the climate change issue, by 2050 humans will be consuming roughly TWICE the planerary carrying capacity per day, if we don’t change our ways. Right now we are in about a 20% capacity deficit. We are literally consuming the future.
lotus 82. Finally, a benefit of aging!
My knees say, “Crreeaak”
Yuh-HUH, imm!
I saw Bat’s comment when it first came up on the Sorrow thread. As a “sometimes” moderator, I can figure out email addresses. Not a priviledge I use or misuse. Ever. But in Bat’s case I broke down. I emailed him right away to say that his comment had shown up and that I would make sure Jane read it (&more). I hope he can access and listen to email. It sent me back to tears. As if all of the other comments aren’t having the same effect on me.
A geezer-in-training (as my Son calls me) muses on what lies ahead…
“The Golden Years have come at last -
I cannot see; I cannot pee;
I cannot chew, I cannot screw.
My memory shrinks, my hearing stinks;
No sense of smell: I look like hell!
My body is drooping; got trouble pooping.
The Golden Years have come at last.
But the Golden Years have turned to BRASS.
If you ask me -
The GOLDEN YEARS…
Can kiss my ASS!”
BobbyG — HA!
Can I borrow/steal that?
immanentize -
Oh, yeah, of course. That’s an old joke. Not my creation.
Here’s one of mine, a tune I wrote for our 25th (think John Prine-ish):
_____
Silver
I blink my eyes,
It’s been twenty five years;
Barrels of laughs
And a bucket of tears.
We’ve blowed a few tires,
Stripped a few gears,
But, baby, just gimme
Twenty five more years.
Now, we both know
There’s no guarantee,
’Cept the one at the End,
Good Lordy, me.
But, under the table
And under the sheets,
The world’s OK
When I can feel them feets.
We’ve got the silver,
Goin’ for gold.
Never been boring,
Never gets old.
Since the first day I met ’cha
I been totally sold.
Now, the silver’s in the pocket
And we’re goin’ for Gold.
Ninety one hundred
And thirty one nights.
A mess of good lovin’
And eight or nine fights.
You set a big fire burnin’,
Doused all my fears,
Pretty baby, just gimme
Twenty five more years.
We’ve got the silver,
Goin’ for gold.
Never gets jaded,
Never ever gets cold.
Just a couple of kiddies
With a few gray hairs,
I’ll be chasin’ ya
Long as I can climb them stairs.
We’ve got the silver,
Goin’ for gold.
Never been boring,
Never gets old.
Since the first day I met ’cha
I been totally sold.
Now, the silver’s in the bank,
Savin’ up for Gold.
Words and Music by Bobby Gladd
Copyright © 1998, All Rights Reserved.
LOL!!!
Zen – Not sure although I doubt solar would heat a new eng or an ozark home for a twenty grand initial investment. Lots of clouds and batteries. Will find out for you.
The summary of the NAP report is worth a read. Basically, it says that with a high level of confidence the last decades of the 20th century have been the warmest in the last 400 years. Before that the data and hence the conclusions decrease in confidence accordingly. There is a great graphic on page 2 of the summary
http://darwin.nap.edu/books/0309102251/html/2.html
which shows how the various studies track. It’s definitely worth a look.
OT– Kinky Friedman and Scotty’s momma both made it onto the TX ballot for November, sez AP.
This’ll be fun to watch … from a distance.
Valley Girl, you’re just a treasure, you are. I hate to think that Bat can’t access us easily, y’know? Well, of course you do, you e-mailed. Thank you, thank you.
Hugh 97 -
The Anthropocene Era…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene
We are on the cusp of major deep shit.
bekkieann @ 86
Jobs and Growth Act of 2003
Total deduction $106,000
Sorry PDF file http://www.taxpayer.net/TCS/whitepapers/SUVtaxcredit.pdf
There is Sunday morning radio show here about cars – how to fix them, how to make your car faster, get better gas mileage – like Click and Clack on NPR. And anyway, this guy calls in last Sunday and he’s talking about his Hummer and how much power it has and how he likes it so much, then he says something like,
“Yea, I really like my Hummer, I only paid $7,000 out of pocket”
… Talk about welfare
BobbyG. Fabulous. And I completely hear the John Prine thing. Or maybe even George Jones?
Thanks.
My God, John in Sac’to, that is just obscene.
schwa #84
I saw that NOVA. It’s point was that global warming effects would be even worse than they are without the dimming effect. Thanks for reminding me.
Don’t forget they burned Bruno at the stake for embracing Copernican ideas before Galileo. And to add insult it was after the pope set Copernicus the task (to figure out the calendar’s errors) that lead to his solar system cosmology. Sounds like Bush’s approach to science.
Lawrence Lessig’s blog has a link to a site called Share the Truth where you can sponsor someone to see Gore’s movie.
zen- thanks. I just hope the email gets through to Bat and that he can hear email. Sometimes people are leery of using major email addys, and I can understand that.
immanentize 102 -
LOL, John Prine on quaaludes and Dickel…(“…when ah gets in a pickel, ah reach fer my Dickel…”)
;)
I do some Prine in my single acoustic act.
Update on the Sorrow thread: same pace, now nearly 600 comments. VG, you must be really panting tonight, so thanks again.
BobbyG: quaaludes and Dickel !!!
Reminds me I really need to go to sleep.
Nite valleyzenlotusall
immanentize -
Sleep well.
Nite, imm, good sleep to you.
Think I’ll crash too. Catch all you pups tomorrow.
lotus -
good zzzzzzzzzzzzz’s………
From Flannery’s book:
“…In 1961 there was still room to maneuver. In that seemingly distant age there were just 3 billion people, and they were using just half of the total resources that our global ecosystem could sustainably provide. A short twenty-five years later, in 1986, we had reached a watershed, for that year our population topped 5 billion, and such was our collective thirst for resources that we were using all of Earth’s sustainable production.
In effect, 1986 marks the year that humans reached Earth’s carrying capacity, and ever since we have been running the environmental equivalent of a deficit budget, which is sustained only by plundering our capital base. The plundering takes the form of overexploiting fisheries, overgrazing pasture until it becomes desert, destroying forests, and polluting our oceans and atmosphere, which in turn leads to the large number of environmental issues we face…
…By 2001 humanity’s deficit had ballooned to 20 percent, and our population to over 6 billion. By 2050 when the population is expected to level out at around 9 billion, the burden of human existence will be such that we will be using – it they can still be found – nearly two planets’ worth of resources. But for all the difficulty we’ll experience in finding those resources, it’s our waste – particularly the greenhouse gases – that is the limiting factor.” (pp 78-79)
Am still feeling hotheaded about “accidental” personal data theft:
Stolen personal identification: this is not an accident, nor a random crime. This is a concerted plan to gather information on hundreds of millions of Americans for a private database, thus avoiding embarrassing questions of Constitutional legality. Then the government accepts this data, no problem. Except maybe the CITIZENS OF THE FORMERLY FREE AMERICA.
Look at how many ‘accidental’ incidents of stolen data there are. Sooner or later one must allow for the possibility that datamining is not ‘accidental’ theft but…deliberate. Money talks. Data walks.
I am particularly angry about the theft of personal data of our soldiers/sailors/veterans. [G**d*** them for preying on OUR MILITARY who are serving our nation with their very lives.]
BobbyG @ 89
thanks, I’ll check out the Flannery, even tho I’m depressed enough already. Can’t shake it – when younger, I was heavily influenced by sci-fi & the ‘march towards progress’. Now, it seems all that vaunted progress was just an acceleration of entropy.
BobbyG #100
It is the old problem of thinking that humans as a species somehow live outside the environment instead of being part of it. The coal forests that were laid down over the course of 100 million years 350-250 million years ago are being consumed in a few short centuries and their sequestrated carbon is being thrust back into the environment, its air, and its waters. I think only somebody as provenly stupid as Bush could fail to grasp that an effect and a big one would be inevitable. And given how we are increasing the carbon load and the trends in the world economy that seem only to increase this increase I agree we are in a lot of trouble and I just don’t see in our fragmented world the likelihood of the unified plan that is needed to deal with it.
Just popped over to Kos, the thread for Jane there is very lovely, too.
egregious, are you following up on something I can read? I’m a little lost, have been disconnected for awhile, sorry. I know about the military theft, but there’s more? Will it help you to tell me or just make you more upset? Not usual for you to sw**r…
schwa 115, Hugh 116 -
Yeah. Triangulate Flannery’s book with Jared Diamond’s book “Collapse” and other stuff.
Bad stuff awaits. Bad, bad, bad. Unprecedented.
I cut my professional teeth in forensic-level environmental science (radiochemistry and mixed waste analytics), so I tend to be WAY skeptical. But, Flannery’s book saddens me very much. The science he reports is as good as it gets, and paints a disturbing picture.
I just received an email back from Bat. I have asked his permission via return email to post the information here. Let me just say that it was incredible.
In case you missed it
Anne Coulter pretty much endorses Joementum
Hugh @ 116 –
Well said.
The environment is us.
Not quite on the same intellectual plane, but you suppose that if you were to “discover” that Bush was the one who was paying Gannon/Guckert to “service” the President, you think you would be 1) able to keep your cool, and 2) give up your belief of what you had proven?
I know, I know – the question is in poor taste, but I would hate for the world to forget the fact that a male prostitute had free access to this WH and got a press pass with no questions asked…
We’re doomed, you might as well go with it. Anybody up for a rapture hoax?
Valley Girl- thanks so much, hope he says yes.
Tug- we haven’t forgotten, nor have we forgotten that Rove still has a security clearance.
vidkun 124 -
LOL!!!
That’s the stupidest shit I ever read. LMAO.
BG is outa here, eminent ‘pups.
G’night.
BobbyG –
Have you factored in the melting of the frozen methane in the permafrost and arctic oceans?
If it all melts, it could add 5 degrees to global warming — which could bring on mass extinctions of epoch changing proportions.
David Olsen
I thought someone was f%^*ing with Wiki…
and
Or, more sucinctly…
Is Wiki wrong? I’m actually asking.
“night Bobby.
Vidkun, that is just the saddest thing, imagine thinking about such a thing all the time? It really amazes me the way the message is twisted like a dirty dish rag. But interesting to read, for sure.
Thanks for the fine post DB; I agree Inconvenient Truth is a must see.
Sorrow comments now over 600. The extended family is calling in.
egregious 114,
I think you’re being a bit ‘over the top’ in your post. The gummint didn’t need to steal its own data, and could have easily engineered a way to xfer the VA database into any other database w/o having to lose face on national TV. imo you are confusing ‘bureaucratic stupidity’ w/ ‘conspiracy to enslave’.
& dry your eyes about ‘our military’. Anyone who joins it has consciously decided to surrender their personal morality to powers beyond their control.
john in sacramento says:
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:08 pm
It was in the LA paper this morning that the long arm of the law broke aup a theft ring speicializing in SUVs. They’d stake one out, get the VIN, run it through the computer at a dealership to get a duplicate key, then, after it was stolen, replace the VIN and sell it, either here or over the border, at a really good price. They’re out to recover as many of the SUVs as they can find, and the unsuspecting buyers are getting surprises, although they aren’t being arrested because they really didn’t know.
DB, awesome. What I find interesting is that you don’t see (with the interesting exception, perhaps, of the GM 1.99 deal) is veritical integration.
Questions are:
- what percentage of oil consumption in this country is due to private vehicle consumption?
- given that fuel conservation was mentioned by one of the three oil execs on Timmeh last weekend (and boy! that video is a keeper for our grand-children) what conservation efforts are being made by industry? Well, none… that would affect the competitiveness of our effectively internationaly owned friends…
Bush said we are addicted to oil. Someone needs to ask him about that. He was right. Powerful phrase. Where did it go?
Sadly, there is a pile of money in the Iraq sand. And money changes everything.
Well Done Dover!!
Just to add a bit to the thread, it’s important to recognize the impact our diet has on the environment. I know everyone’s plate is full, so to speak but one of the many effects factory farming has on the earth is methane gas concentrations that can be seen from space and destoy the ozone. No preaching just some info, if interested in learning more, here’s a link:
http://www.foodrevolution.org/dna_endorsements.htm
A recent PBS program put US energy consuption at thirds –
One third vehicles;
One third home heating;
One third electrical generation.
Not sure what the question was but here is one answer.
April 1630 Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems.
Fall 1630 Decision to print Dialogue in Florence
February 1632 Printing completed
Summer 1632 Urban VIII bans further distribution of the Dialogue
July 1638 Discourse on Two New Sciences is printed in Leiden, the Netherlands
http://galileo.rice.edu/chron/galileo.html#1630
zen at 118, there isn’t a link, this is me making connections. Yay ADHD.
Look back over the last 18 months at the sheer number of ‘accidental’ data thefts. Oops another laptop stolen with millions of social security numbers. Over and over and over and
Ya know, I smell a pattern. Or a fraud.
Hugh @ 137
Beauty. Haven’t seen this timeline. Thanks!
Egregious@15
Where is the sorrow thread? Ilooked but it closed at 183 comments. Geez I hate showing my ass every other day (steep learning curve in here..) Any help apprieciated.
egregious
Yea, google Choicepoint, they were involved in the purging of thousands of black voters in Fla. b4 the 2000 election, and they “lost” personal financial data or it was (wink, wink) “stolen” from them a couple a years ago.
gotta to run
L8r
Letting someone drill away. That’s always worked, hasn’t it?
newtonusr 132,
imo wikipedia is not a scholarly source, otoh, Vasari’s _Lives of the Artists_ is rife w/ errors, too!
Galileo’s _Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems: Ptolemaic and Copernican_ was indeed published by him in Florence, in 1632. _Two New Sciences_ was published in 1638, in Leiden (Holland). Galileo revised & expanded the original work for republication in a location that was not subject to the Holy Office’ censorship.
By they I mean Choicepoint “lost” the data for millions of Americans
egreg -
FWIW I think the same way. Although the refutation here in comments holds water. Could be that ID theft will be so ‘hot’ (or jus the threat; have ye heard the commercial for some credit tracking corp that has the Dad shredding all the family ‘private’ data?) Could move to ‘necessary’ fingerprinting and/or retinal scans or DNA to ‘prove’ ID.
‘the better to oppress you with, my dear…’
But it (IMHO) seems to be too widespread to continue being called ‘coincidental’.
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BBC online radio just had five min report on depression/suicidal ideations among those returning to NOLA/GC area to find the devastation of what were their lives work, possessions, etc.
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Ah, but Galileo stuck with his story. Good on him!
ck @136 -
No office/factory heating? No fertilizer production? Hmmmm. Maybe fertilizer is produced offshore. I can see 70% or maybe more consumer. Off to Google…
According to here 67% transportation consumption:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/qu…..ckoil.html
Perhaps. PBS says differently. Hmmm… hard numbers to get. Back to Google…
Hope at 140- Go back and try to refresh once you’re in the thread. It’s not going to close.
Egreg- I see now, and hadn’t really thought about it that way, frankly. But why would the gov’t need to rip off the military info? It belongs to them anyway, doesn’t it?
I’ll have to give this more thought. Head hurting, must sleep.
Thoughts to Jane and thanks moderators, very much.
Night pups!
OT -
(via rawstory) Rolling disclosure:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06…..tner=MYWAY
OK found the ’sorrow’ thread, thanks Dover at 40. I’m so sad for Jane. I’m crying as I type this because being trapped in Texas around crazy, delusional, republican, texans and having found FDL has been like finding lost family. I’m a Native San Franciscan and being here is culture shock. I’ve been fuming alone for 2 years and Jane and Christy has created a space I feel comfortable (and a little stupid ) in. I left a note in the thread for Jane and if anyone that is going to bring food on saturday can email me I would like to send flowers. Thank you all for your patience with my newbieness.
Hope at 150 — The food we’re talking about bringing on Saturday will be “virtual” food. We do a “getting to know you” post on Saturday mornings (at least, as of last Saturday anyway…) — and we’re going to dedicate this one to Jane’s mom. So if you want to bring along a favorite family recipe, or story, or something along those lines, we’ll be talking about family and friends and community and food and all that sort of stuff on Saturday morning. (Oh, and welcome — so happy you found some “family” here, too.)
schwa @ 143
Yeah. I did the original from memory, got called on it and folded, then ref’ed it.
Oh, well….
And I write “rolling disclosure” because of blub blub blub. Imagine a half implemented vision once you decided there was no oversight and you had already bit off so many things. You go for it all.
Sadly – you also end up having to hide many things. And it is hard to explain why those things were hidden is a total data collection effort.
DB, thanks for a great post.
The phrase “E pur si muovere” is Italian.
I read somewhere long ago that it was assumed that he wrote his “Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief Systems of the World – Ptolemaic and Copernican” in 1632, in Italian and not in Latin the language of academia so that it would have a broader readership among the masses. Clever bastard. Thanks Galileo.
Thank you Christy for giving me the lowdown. My husband just walked in from the hospital and wrapped his arms around me cause I was crying. He just had an 18 year old Marine die, and still was there for me. He sends his condolences to Jane and has offered to answer any questions or concerns she may have lingering. Thank you again for the warm welcome and I’m very grateful to have found this place. This terrible time in the world has got to pass soon, and I have faith that it will.
It’s good to have city light pollution at night in our modern world.
If you look at the stars and understand our sun is one star of millions of stars in one galaxy of millions/billions of galaxies in the universe………….isn’t it easy to conclude god is guiding the planet with faith based leadership.
I would have written church or religious or god based leadership but faith sounds better.
Check out this Woody H movie:
http://www.voiceyourself.com/0….._movie.php
Gauranfookinteed…….enjoyment !
EPU`d but what the heck, gotta put this on the record
Since we`re talkin about Mr. Galileo…
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” – Galileo Galilei
Uniquely Tim #4
That should be mindfully repeated every day.
We need all the help we can get these days.
eureka springs @ 53
you say you know of houses off the grid w/AC for only $20K. Anyway you could point me to some sites with more info about such systems? We’re starting a major renovation of our home/office and am doing some solar add-ons like a solar/gas water heater, solar air-to-air heating assist, but the first estimate we got for a more complete solar system was more than $60K. Would like to do PV panels with a grid tie-in.
After seeing An Inconvenient Truth, my partner did agree that we could do more, especially after we went to climatecrisis.net and did the worksheet that showed we put out almost 3X the amount of CO2 as the average family. (Some of those factors are out of our control, like our state utilities burn a lot of coal, and how we reduce our air travel is beyond me, since our business requires that we do a lot of air travel. There’s no reasonable alternative for that, since there’s little rail service here and getting to the places we need to get to are often 1.5K plus from our home.)
If you got some info I could use as we do the plans, I’d sure appreciate it. thanks.
The story of Galileo and the Church is a very good example of thinking forward versus thinking backward, in my opinion.
Starting with a question, admitting you don’t know the answer yet, collecting evidence, and finding conclusions based only on that evidence (the scientific method) is thinking forward.
Starting with your answer and fixing or “cherry-picking” all your evidence to support it is thinking backward.
Very, very simple stuff, really. It amazes me that so many people today can’t see the distinction. I mean, the Enlightenment WAS a long time ago, long enough for the lesson to sink in. More people should realize that creating things like Democracy would not have been possible without giving people the tools (or the right?) to observe the world and form independent ideas about its nature. Before this, reality was what the man in charge SAID it was; Truth came from Authority, and Authority came from God.
Wasn’t there an anecdote about Galileo inviting a priest or cardinal to look into his telescope to see the sunspots that shouldn’t have been there (according to the then-current interpretation of the gospels?)
The priest or cardinal refused for fear that it would be questioning his faith? I can’t seem to find it on the internet; I think I remember seeing a painting of this. Little help, anyone?
Just a small, irrelevant protest, here.
Can we knock it off with all the “Fitz! Fratz! Footz!” nonsense? Sometimes I have to scroll down a page just to get to the real intelligent commentary on a very sober subject.
It’s geting real old real fast.
Here i am, happily in the EPU zone to tell another story of someone refusing to participate because of preconceived beliefs – I and my family visited Stonehenge and overheard a guide talking about ‘lay lines,’ which IIRC intersected at this spot (therefore the choice in the siting of Stonehenge). To demonstrate the existence of these lines, he had a dowsing rod which swung to when he crossed a certain line. I tried it as did my boys, but a certain Englishman kept yelling, “Rubbish!” He was invited to try, too, but he refused because it was Rubbish!
One Englishman shouting “Rubbish” doesn’t bother me. I assume he wasn’t in charge of anything, no media position, no sway over people’s religious beliefs, no authoritative government office, just one stubborn guy with pre-conceived notions. He only hurts himself, right?
There used to be this joke: A businessman is interviewing people to take the postion of accountant. The businessman asks for the sum of two plus two and the prospective employee looks around, pulls the shades, and asks in a whisper: “What do you WANT it to equal?”
That used to be a joke. It used to be funny. Now, it is becoming the very definition of reality itself. Welcome back to the Dark Ages.