
(graphic by the incomparable darkblack)
Hell’s Vice Principal, Bill O’Reilly has shot off his mouth again and, whether he realizes it or not, has given us an unusually honest look at the slimy underbelly of his political philosophy. Yep, the man who claims to be neither Republican nor Democrat, but "describes much of his work as a non-partisan approach to politics and analysis" (Shyeah, tell me another one, Billyboy!), has revealed that, in fact, he isn’t a Republican. He’s a Ba’athist!
Thanks to Mike Stark from Calling All Wingnuts (He listens to Wingnut Radio, so you don’t have to!), we have a delightful recording of O’Reilly saying that if HE were King of Iraq, he’d run the joint "just like Saddam". No, really. That’s what he said.
Let’s go to the transcript, shall we?
O’Reilly: Now to me, they’re not fighting it hard enough. See, if I’m president, I got probably another 50-60 thousand with orders to shoot on sight anybody violating curfews. Shoot them on sight. That’s me… President O’Reilly… Curfew in Ramadi, seven o’clock at night. You’re on the street? You’re dead. I shoot you right between the eyes. Ok? That’s how I run that country. Just like Saddam ran it. Saddam didn’t have explosions – he didn’t have bombers. Did he? because if you got out of line, you’re dead.
Thank you, Assistant Principal O’Reilly, for straightening this out for us. Obviously, then, you don’t support the mission in Iraq, because the whole point (at least this week) is allegedly to "spread freedom", but what you’re saying is that Iraq is better off without freedom, that it was better when Saddam was in charge, and that the only real answer for that country is another military dictatorship.
Do the troops know that you no longer support them, Bill? That you think we should pull out of Iraq "as quickly as humanly possible" because "there are so many nuts in the country–so many crazies–that we just can’t control them"? Have you mentioned this to your Republican buddies in the House, because all they can talk about is how us "cut and run" liberals don’t support the troops. You want to cut and run even faster than John Kerry! Did you talk to Rush Limbaugh about this? Ann Coulter? Cos Coulter thinks that Rep. John Murtha should be killed by his own men for advocating a phased withdrawal from Iraq. And Limbaugh? He called John Murtha "the biggest morale booster the enemy has in Iraq" for suggesting that perhaps it’s time to take a responsible approach to the war instead of adopting the Republican policy of denial and procrastination about trying to bring about some kind of conclusion to this mess.
Really, though, anyone with any critical thinking skills whatsoever (i.e., not your listeners) knows that your personal philosophy is somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun and that anyone who disagrees with you "hates America", that "freedom" in America means the freedom to agree with you and no other opinions will be tolerated. You mess with the bull, you get the horns, right? Come to think of it, you really would be a perfect fit for Saddam’s old job. You guys are a lot alike. You’re both authoritarian blowhards with literary pretensions. You’ve already said that you advocate terrorist attacks on San Francisco. Why not go all the way and get your own country where you can make the laws, get your own rape-rooms and torture chambers and a real secret police force instead of having to threaten people with Fox Security and sexually harrass your female employees? I think this could be the start of a whole new career direction for you. Call me and we’ll hammer out the details.
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Damn O’Reilly!
oooh, Fitz and Trex!
How many do we have to shoot between the eyes before we win?
Is he holding loofah or falafel in that picture?
Well, he was saying he would only be a *temporary* Saddam, just long enough to restore order, which I’m sure would only be a matter of a few decades.
Is he holding loofah or falafel in that picture?
Looks like loofahs to me.
Now there’s a sentence I never thought I’d say…
But O’Reilly schooled Malkin!
But O’Reilly schooled Malkin!
In the sense of “took her to school,” or in the sense of “taught her everything she knows”?
Op99: Hook ‘em Loofahs!
;>)
“taught her everything she knows”?
Ewww.
All your loofah are belong to us.
O’Reilly is a loofah cannon.
Maybe Bill & Michelle read Coulter’s book re: fisting!
Saddam is tanned, ready and rested. Really, doesn’t Bush miss Saddam now? As sick as this sounds, don’t we all?
[ed. note: I, for one, do not miss Saddam. But only George Bush could take a nation that had previously been run by a brutal dictator and make it worse. Moron. Saddam sucked, and deserves to be tried for his crimes. But the Iraqis did not and do not deserve the mess that we have made of things by starting a war based on lies and then fighting it on the cheap. Pathetic. — CHS]
I thought they were cobs of corn.
And don’t even get me started on “Fiddler On The Loofah”…
OMG — please, no more Malkin and O’Reilly sex jokes. Ewwww…I have to go to sleep at some point, and I’d like to avoid rancid nightmares.
Saddam is tanned, ready and rested. Really, doesn’t Bush miss Saddam now? As sick as this sounds, don’t we all?
He ruled the country with an iron fist.
As opposed to destabilizing the country with an iron fist.
*waves at Ann Coulter*
To his credit, O’Reilly is at least showing a rudimentary understanding of the basic problem. Iraq is an artificially-drawn country containing three different groups of people that more or less hate each other. It’s like Israel/Palestine, only with three warring groups instead of two. Saddam kept the strife in check by being a ruthless dictator. Under democratic rule, you’re pretty much stuck with the same problem you have in Israel/Palestine. The only sensible solution for Iraq is a three-state solution, which is never going to happen, because it would piss off everyone else in the region, and everyone would still be fighting over who gets the oil. An Arafat/Sharon gay-marriage would’ve been more likely.
DB #9:
PFL! (Pounding Floor Laughing!)
I point to this incredibly ironic WP story. Afgan journalists react with outrage at interference into their reporting by the Afgan government.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01821.html
In this country, that would never happen. No MSM journalist would complain like that. Sheep.
An Arafat/Sharon gay-marriage would’ve been more likely.
As well as slightly more pretty than the situation there now.
O’Reilly, a man of action. According to Al Franken:
Iraq was a country with boundry lines drawn by Oil companies years ago without consideration of who the residents were, they were just cutting up the spoils. What they did in their greed, is cobble countries together with waring tribes for centuries.
Now we are all paying in some way for the actions of what the oil barrons did decades ago and their continual infuence in policy, laws and tax breaks!
Saddam was our guy, just like Osama….
In this country, that would never happen. No MSM journalist would complain like that. Sheep.
The cocktail parties in Afghanistan *suck*.
The loof, the loof, the loofahs on fire….
sorry
You want the loofah? YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE LOOFAH!
I’ll come in again.
Shorter Bill O’Reilly: Arbeit macht frei.
Please help me understand: Is Principal Skinner O’Reilly’s boss, or only his boss’s title?
1. It never ceases to amaze me. The boys who’ve never ONCE fired a shot in anger, or had a shot fired at them, always got to run their mouths about “combat”. Oh how brave O’Reilly is. He’s just the type who would piss all over himself, then freeze up and shake at first contact. At the least, he is to be laughed at.
2. Sadly though, as far as the “future” of Iraq is concerned….it might be closer to what Bill runs his mouth about. Probably not one single strongman…but a series of sometimes ruthless militias running the streets in brutal fashion. I’m projecting a few years into the future. Great mission you accomplished, Goergie.
Ghostman
No mention of his latest outrage? Claiming the left-wing blogs are glad that the two service men were tortured and killed. Of course no mention of a specific blog, just the “Faux News” patented “some say”. Or was that Rush? I get my wingnut mouthpieces confused sometimes. Was it the phone sex enthusiast or the degenerate drug addict espousing moral outrage of a completely baseless lie? Actually, I think it was both.
‘Oh my darling, I hunger for your rough quasi-dermabrasional caress, so that the tension drains from me and tunes my sensuality to a frenzied jungle beat…I beg you, mighty fruit of L. aegyptiaca, don’t subject your loyal slave to some kind of a tease business…Touch me now!‘
;>)
Does it bother anyone else that one of the loudest (and most effective) advocates for getting upgraded helmets to our toops is…wait for it…Cher?
What’s it going to take to get them body armor? The Village People?
Shorter Bill O’Reilly: Arbeit macht frei.
Kugeln macht frei.
(I’ve probably butchered that)
Eli, you are too funny tonight!
Eli, you are too funny tonight!
Thanks. I expect to be banned at any moment.
From the N.Y.Times Rallied by Bush, Skittish G.O.P. Now Embraces War as Issue
emphasis pointedly mine.
Although I’m willing to concede that if Rove we’re truly the great evil genius he is purported to be, Bush’s numbers would probably be better. It does seem as though the repugs have recieved their divide and conquer marching orders to attack the dems. Rove this week, comes out and threatens the Dems that the blogosphere is dividing their strength, and the Repugs come out saying the dems are weak.
The timing seems transparent. Could be just me though.
The tactic seems clear, and the key Issue is the Iraq war, it seems that the concerted effort is to steer Dems away from taking a unifying behind a strong stance *cough*Murtha*cough* ‘against the Iraq war’.
With at least 70% of americans personally and strongly opposed to the Iraq war, having the dems come out unified ‘against’ the war would probably sweep the whole electoral system. With the neo-cons heavily invested in; and not fully disengaged from, the repugs, thats a turning of the tide they would rather be better leveraged against.
The whole tactic is keeping people, voters and career politicians, frightened and stupid, and divided, egad its frustrating to watch.
My office…is right across that hall. Any monkey business is ill-advised…any questions ?
Yeah…I got a question. Does Barry Manilow know you raid his wardrobe ?
I’ll give you the answer to that question, Mr. Bender, next Saturday. Don’t mess with the bull young man, you’ll get the horns.
FP #33: The Village People and every member of the YMCA combined couldn’t make Dumbsfailed competent on procurement issues. Congress is just now getting around to asking him about the $30 billion he peed away on air tanker leases that the USAF didn’t want. His attention was elsewhere, he said.
Sorry that NY Times link is here…
Rallied by Bush, Skittish G.O.P. Now Embraces War as Issue
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06…..mp;emc=rss
33, Mr. probst: yeah, it bothers the hell out of me. Where’s big brave Tony Snow? Deferment Dick? Draft dodging Rove? Champagne Brigade Bush? Why aren’t THEY raising hell???? I guess we already know the answer.
And, your #3 question is funny…in a sad way. I mean no offense.
Ghostman
Saddam is tanned, ready and rested. Really, doesn’t Bush miss Saddam now? As sick as this sounds, don’t we all?
No, no, of course not, as you said—but haven’t these guys done a heckuva job in explaining him?
Movie Review- An Inconvienient Truth
The exposition of the case for global warming was excellent – clear, concise, easy to grasp, good graphics, laid out just like your favorite non-boring professor would have done. Unfortunately, it makes you want to run out and kill yourself immediately before the movie is even half over. (My friend said, “oh, no, there are several people I want to take out first.” *g*). Al gives us a bit of hope at the end, showing us that there is a path to redemption; we currently have all the technical knowhow, and all we lack is the political will. This website tells you what you can do to reduce or eliminate your own carbon footprint, and tells you where and when to find the movie in your town.
The bad news is, a lot of the movie comes across like a campaign commercial for Al Gore, diluting the impact of his important message. He has a lot of gratuitous self-puffery in there; one example is correcting the “I grew up in the luxurious Fairfax Hotel” meme that he was saddled with in his 2000 presidential race. This irritated even me, who likes Gore; I can imagine how it must grate on non-fans. Once you see this film, any questions you had about Gore’s 2008 presidential aspirations will be answered.
I heartily recommend that you see An Inconvienient Truth, and drag some people with you. You might want to prepare said dragees in advance that they will need to mentally edit out the gratuitous Gore parts, because the meat that remains is so critical to their descendents.
Sophist @ 37
I hear a Rumsfeldism…
“You go campaigning with the doofii you have, not necessarily the doofii you want.”
But there was little sign of such nervousness on Wednesday as Republican after Republican took to the Senate floor to offer an unambiguous embrace of the Iraq war and to portray Democrats as advocates of an overly hasty withdrawal that would have grave consequences for the security of the United States. Like their counterparts in the House last week, they accused Democrats of espousing “retreat and defeatism.”
Would there be any value in Dems saying something along the lines of “We’re not cutting and running, we’re cutting our losses”? Or is that a bit too fatalistic?
Sophist #37:
So do you think the Iraq war/occupation/police action/whatever will be getting better or worse between now and November?
Is Rove really operating from a position of strength here? Looks to me like he’s raising the ante and bluffing, just like always. If the Dems have any ‘nads, they’ll call.
prostratedragon says
June 21st, 2006 at 9:35 pm
Saddam is tanned, ready and rested. Really, doesn’t Bush miss Saddam now? As sick as this sounds, don’t we all?
No, no, of course not, as you said%u2014but haven’t these guys done a heckuva job in explaining him?
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I’m with Christy here. He was a brutal tyrant, and I’m glad he’s out of power. No, I don’t miss him. But at the same time, I don’t think he was worth 2,500 of our best and brightest, and he’s pretty much all we’ve gotten for their sacrifice.
O’Reilly is just a TV version of Rush–all puffed up and pompous but lacking deep thought. Rush couldn’t pull it off on TV the way he does on radio–the camera seems to like Bill.
Want a big laugh? Read any of Bill O’Reilly’s books. They’re written at the third-grade level, large print with wide margins. I almost read an entire book of his standing in the book stacks at the library one day. All fluff and no substance: each chapter is bluster, followed by anecdote, fake “A-ha!”, black-and-white problem solving and then it’s on to the next topic.
I’d rather watch preacher Bob Tilton. At least he makes funny faces while he blusters.
Peace,
Tim
http://timsnamelessblog.blogspot.com/
Cut and run or lie and die.
Sorry to go OT TRex…but who gives a fatwah about falafal guy anyway?
Does anyone know how i can fix my addy in here?
If you click my handle it goes to one of those,”can’t load explorer’ pages. The address bar is missing a ” . ” Thanks in advance anyone who answers. And I am trying I know how to link now (Thanks again, John in Sacramento)
I’m with Christy here. He was a brutal tyrant, and I’m glad he’s out of power. No, I don’t miss him. But at the same time, I don’t think he was worth 2,500 of our best and brightest, and he’s pretty much all we’ve gotten for their sacrifice.
I hate tyrants. I especially hate seeing one in my own fucking country. But you should only try to depose tyrants that are actively threatening you, or who are engaged in something monstrous, like genocide, or invading other countries for no good reason.
You can’t change history, ask Arnold Toynbee. History is determined by movements of large numbers of people. O’Biley is acknowledging this. It would take a level of brutality that America isn’t capable of to win in Iraq. If Iraq is destined to be partitioned into three autonomous regions the best alternative is to reinforce that historical inevitability. The world at this point is not generally inclined to pluralism, certainly not Iraq. Iraq is lost – period, end of story. The other guy, Stengel, is on Bush’s side.
I think the “lie and die” line belongs to Senator Kerry. You have to say it with a Thurston Howell the III accent.
I’m pulling this up from a long-buried thread, because I’m sure no one got to see this. — CHS
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Name: Tim URI: http://timsnamelessblog.blogspot.com/ |
Almost 10 months after Katrina, and the levees of New Orleans and south Louisiana have been repaired only to their original, pre-K elevations. Have we learned nothing from this episode? I’m living and blogging in New Orleans, and while the President is so very worried about maintaining a strong presence in a foreign nation, US citizens remain ignored and in peril. We are not okay.
Peace,
Tim
al-Scooter says
June 21st, 2006 at 9:38 pm
Sophist #37:
So do you think the Iraq war/occupation/police action/whatever will be getting better or worse between now and November?
Is Rove really operating from a position of strength here? Looks to me like he’s raising the ante and bluffing, just like always. If the Dems have any ‘nads, they’ll call.
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Um, this is the EXACT same strategy they used to get us into Iraq to begin with, remember? Back in 2002? They accused the Democrats of being soft on terror, cowards, etc, etc. The Dems fell for it, and they were falling all over themselves to get Iraq “off the table” before the midterms. Thus, we got our Authorization to Use Military Force. Let’s hope they do not make the same mistake again. Iraq should definitely be on the table for the midterms.
Lest there be any doubt, I listened to Loofah-boy again the next day… he repeated his Saddam rant – says Iraq has to be run the way Saddam ran it…
Don’t think too much about this, but remember the scene in Pink Floyd’s movie, The Wall? The scene with the strict discliplinarian school teacher that embarrassed Roger Waters by reading his book of poetry aloud to the class? Remember that very same teacher being spanked by his wife when he got home?
I’m (don’t ask me why) wondering if that’s Billy’s kink…
I left a review of “An Inconvenient Truth” in moderation at 43. I’m not bugging the moderator, just saying you guys might want to circle back to it should it ever claw its way out of moderation. That is all.
Does anyone know how i can fix my addy in here?
Can’t you just change it in the “Website” field? Or does it keep reverting to the bad version?
“The Age of Falafel Billy T”
by Sore Ass
(just needed a T in there, and on disrespect intended to Mr. Soros)
…but apparently not too good with puncuation.
Sorry.
“The Age of Falafel Billy T”
by Sore Ass
I’d like to see a hit piece on Bill titled “The Felafel Truth”.
Sorry for the Fitz-’n-Rover OT, but I don’t know where else to put this query.
Some former prosecutor input, Christy?
I happen to be addicted to FDL postings, analyses, guest commentaries and — certainly — the snark. I am also aware that anonymous commenter or commenter(s) to FDL do get pantyhose in a twist at any mention of former NSA analyst Wayne Madsen.
Tant pis. Asi es la vida. Canadian, eh? Et. al.
What does former prosecutor Christy think of Madsen’s legal sources, speculation and explanations of (a) a Fitz ‘complaint’ against Fat Karl (aka: an ‘information’ or GJ bypass with arrest warrants) OR (b) a True Bill (aka: indictment by a QUOTE runaway Grand Jury UNQUOTE).
[snip]
[My note: We try not to post the entire snippet from someone else’s blog — but only take those portions that are fair use. That was a whole posting, so far as my tired eyes could tell, so I’ve done a snip on it. Beyond that, I do not engage in speculation that I cannot independently confirm. I’ve said that over and over again on this blog, but I’m saying it again. If and when I get some concrete, independently confirmable bits of information, I will immediately share it with everyone — I don’t hold all the good stuff back for myself, I report it when I get it. Including legal docs, sourced information, and the like. I’m getting nothing — and I mean NOTHING — on a lot of what’s been bouncing around the internet of late, so I can neither confirm nor deny its accuracy. And, frankly, that’s as far as I’ll go on it, because anything more or less would be irresponsible. Sorry, know that’s not satisfying, but there you have it — I’m not comfortable reporting on anything I can’t confirm myself through independent means, especially not on something as important as legal doings in this case. — CHS]
Nevahmind…fixed it…boy do I feel like a falafel.
CHS
Sorta puts our leaders misplaced priorities in sharp focus. Why does he hate America?
PS. I really hate that the right has drug political discourse into the gutter. I feel such comments are necessary just to hit the break-even point. They have made it so clear that anyone who disagrees with “dear leader” gives aid and comfort to terrists worldwide. It really kinda sux.
al-Scooter at 45
I would say that judging from the direction of the obfuscation that ‘Rove and the rethugs’ are pursuing, what they are afraid of is someone taking a ’strong’ stance against the
bullsh*t neo-con occupationwar in Iraq. A strong stance like the one Murtha has been taking, in fact, I would also suggest that Murtha’s recent outspoken efforts have catalyzed this latest round of obfuscation by Rove and the rethugs.Sorta puts our leaders misplaced priorities in sharp focus. Why does he hate America?
This democracy/checks-and-balances thing really cramps his style. But he’s workin’ on it.
CHS at 54.
I continue to tell anyone who will listen that NOBODY should bother going back to New Orleans. That is especially true of the evacuees who came through the Astrodome. I saw a number of children with longstanding medical problems that had never been worked up. Many had histories of lead poisoning. These kids had been dumped in the ghetto and all but forgotten. Now, their houses are being bulldozed, and the people in charge of fixing the city and the same ones who let it get flooded in the first place. The question isn’t IF the city is going to get hit again, it’s WHEN. If you’re not going to fix the underlying problems, there’s no point in bringing people back to the city.
HopeyTurtle
Welcome to the land of the rest of us. Say nothing and have people think you are dense…open your mouth and remove all doubt ;)
he’s pretty much all we’ve gotten for their sacrifice
True, that’s the gross. Then you net out the chaos in Iraqi society, which they might have preferred the opportunity to choose for themselves, or not, and even then, let’s say we might not have provided any positive instruction for the future.
Where’s Valley Girl? I need to tell her something.
Growing up in a sort of rambunctious neighborhood in Brooklyn in the fifties and sixties I met a lot of guys like O’Reilly. Real tough loudmouths who were always spouting off about how they knew everything, especially what was best for you, and were going to beat the crap out of you if you didn’t agree and how if they ran things, they would make everybody toe the line and everything would be just dandy. They had nothing but disdain for those who they considered weaker then them. Not to get racist, but a lot of them were Irish, as well. Must have been something in the whiskey.
Interesting thing was when you challenged them they’d yell and act all tough, but after one good smash to the face they usually ran off crying. They’re funny that way.
I think there needs to be a grassroots campaign to back Murtha. Give him some re-enforcement, get his message out, thats what Rove has been spinning against. Murtha knows it, thats why he made the comments about Rove’s pasty cowardly white ass, casting aspersions from the comforts of his plush Washington office chair.
Bill O’Lielly grew up on the mean streets of Long Island.
Is it true his dad named him Bill because he was born at the end of the month?
Whatever is the case at this point, it is clear, in the minds of legal experts, that Fitzgerald owes the American public some information on the progress of this case. With America’s constitutional government hanging by a thread, legal experts reason that, above all, Fitzgerald owes some information to the American people and particularly to the next of kin of those Americans who have died in Iraq. After all, the entire leak matter was caused by White House retaliation against Ambassador Joseph Wilson and his covert CIA wife over the Bush administration being called to task over their lies about the “danger” from Iraq.
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Um, if you want an update on Fitz’s investigation, just read the Libby indictment. It’s pretty much all there. The only thing he left out was Karl, who’s covered in Matt Cooper’s first-person account of what he told the grand jury. Who blew Plame’s cover? Libby and Rove. It’s all out there in public.
Sophist #65:
We find ourselves in violent agreement. *g*
It is still incredible to me that outing a CIA agent is not in and of itself a crime.
71, Sophist: I FULLY agree. Murtha has single-handedly stunk Rove harder than any dozen other Democratic politicians. Murtha puts Rove in a sweat. Murtha’s line of attack should be the same line of attack for everyone.
Ghostman
No Plamexpert here… but IIRC the judge smacked down Libby’s fishing expidition by saying the war was not on trial, Libby was for allegedly lying and shit.
CHS
You still looking for guest posters?
in 76, should be “stung”, not stunk
Ghostman
Outing a CIA NOC is indeed a felony, provided that it’s done under a full moon on the third Tuesday of any month not ending in either a vowel or a consonant. In an odd-numbered year.
When I think of the situation in Iraq, I am reminded of how we as a species still prefer destruction to creation and the following lines of Mitlon come to me:
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, then serve in Heav’n
Iraq has the makings of a wealthy country that could take care of all its citizens but those with the guns and the anger would rather rule among the rubble than share among themselves and build anything of lasting worth.
Eli 9:37 pm How about……”we’re cutting your losses”
OFG at 79 — I absolutely am. You gonna be back from your run by this weekend? If so, e-mail me.
al-Scooter 81 -
The fully Shiraz addled and sack-bound BobbyG LMAO!!!
Eli 9:37 pm How about%u2026%u2026″we’re cutting your losses”
Works for me…
I did. You’ve got mail!
Hugh 82.
Yeah. Nihilism.
Read Pressfield’s “The War of Art.”
Specifically the chapter on the Artist vs the Fundamentalist.
Telling.
Oilfieldguy-
U.R.Da.MAN!!!
We didn’t get enough YKos time to talk serious shit. I could learn much from you.
OT – Jon Stewart:
Seriously, the House of Representatives is full of Insane Jackasses.
Ah, that is a pointed illustration, the artist vs’ the fundamentalist.
The artist, seeks art, creation, and construction, the fundamentalist,…wants to tear things down to the ‘foundation’.
It is a worthwhile observation to make that the modern age, has like the pendulum swung from modernism to fundamentalism.
Sadly that fundamentalist takes many forms, both religious and secular.
Oilfieldguy @ 73 says:
“Bill O’Lielly grew up on the mean streets of Long Island.”
Yeah, in some punk little post-war subdivision. But he wishes he grew up in Brooklyn. It would have been so much more macho.
Back at you BobbyG. There is a huge hole in my soul for lack of music. My line of work really prevents certain cultural benefits.
Christy—don’t forget to get some rest. You’ve been doing a phenomenal job the last few days and we need you in the morning.
Oh, it was Sophist who posted the excerpt about congressional Republicans losing their nervousness.
Sure, why wouldn’t that open the door for the Democrats to glue them to the war they’re so eagerly embracing all of a sudden? If the threat is supposed to be that the nation would be less secure under the Democrats’ withdrawal plan (I’m treating them all as one, since to me they seem pretty similar.), then that point should be challenged head-on by comparing the “risks” of leaving pretty soon to the real risks of staying in Iraq, grinding down a significant portion of our young people, pouring $10billion per month of hard-earned working middle class tax payments down the drain, and meanwhile not doing anything about the mountain of more urgent threats that loom over us. How would spelling out that case properly and persistently, while the Republicans keep hugging on Bush, make the Democrats look like the weak ones?
Sophist 91
The Artist sees and seeks beauty and improvement in the future, whereas the fundamentalist pines for the mythical former age of perfection from which we have Fallen.
I’m almost too blitzed to type, BTW.
OP99 @ 44: I saw a lot of Gore’s commentary about himself as explaining why he’s out there slogging from lecture hall to theatre giving a slide show. He talked about his son’s accident at six and how that life & death experience brought up the realization that he needed to make global warming a priority in his work. How his sister dying of lung cancer from smoking made his father quit growing tabacco and that example made him think more about hard changes he—and we—can/must make to stop global warming. There was some stuff about the election, but that seemed to set the years of road shows in context. The long shots of him working in hotel rooms seemed to give us the feeling of what it’s like on the road being dedicated to your work…something anyone who’s been on the road for business can understand.
I thought most of it fit.
OFG—can’t wait to read that post!
How would spelling out that case properly and persistently, while the Republicans keep hugging on Bush, make the Democrats look like the weak ones?
Bear in mind, within the Republican frame, Democrats are only right by accident. We opposed, and continue to oppose the war solely for partisan reasons, and our cowardice and irrational hatred for our beloved infallible preznit.
So we may *say* that we want out of Iraq for rational reasons, but it’s really just ’cause we’re chickenshit. That’s the narrative, and the media will go along with it.
…And, frankly, that’s as far as I’ll go on it, because anything more or less would be irresponsible. Sorry, know that’s not satisfying, but there you have it …- CHS
Come on Christy, can’t you just make shit up to keep us on the edge of our chairs?
:~)
RBG at 10:11, well said, as per usual.
Yeah, maybe so, but seems to me that when your only real choices are to say what you see or let lies stand up like they’re true, then you’re at least as well off speaking up. The voice gets stronger with use.
Mike Stark – who was it recently took O’Lielly to task for claiming childhood destitution because when he was growing up his dad couldn’t work? The person exposed the lie and loofah-boy completely flipped out on the air.
It was a nice *moment*.
But, let’s not forget the other great loofah lies – that he saw combat (he’s never shot off anything but his mouth), that he won a Peabody for journalism (for Inside Edition?) Al Franken demolished those pretty quick too.
And I used to love falafels. I cry for my loss.
prostrated ragon at 94
How would spelling out the case that the war in Iraq is a loosing proposition make the Dems look like weak ?
It wouldn’t make them look weak, but Rove ‘wants’ them to think it will.
Moreso, he wants the Dems to think they ‘ARE’ weak. When they needn’t be, since over 70% of Americans are against the war in Iraq.
I guess that was the gist of my earlier observations, but I wasn’t clear enough.
BobbyG .. Fundamentalist Pines…
is that some kind of wingnut summer camp?
shoephone – And I used to love falafels. I cry for my loss.
try gyros?
44 and 97 wrt Al Gore’s planetary survival motives …
Investigative journalist Greg Palast had a good bit in his book tour blog — Why, oh, why am I doing 30 cities in 30 day???
I think it applies to Gore’s motives, as well:
EXCERPT from Greg Palast dot com Blog …
“I turn up ‘Home,’ the David Byrnes song. He’s singing about the brutal aloneness of the road tour. What the hell for?
Byrne says, ‘Never for money. Always for love.’
OK, David. Where next?”
I think Al G is doing it “always for love” also. (Oh, Palast’s bit on “Tom Friedman’s Underpants” wasn’t bad either.)
Bobby G:
Thanks so much. I was serious re: my #82 previous. And drink some water so you don’t get the dreaded red headache!
Sorry Sophist, I already re-read myself and realized that I wasn’t making it clear that I absolutely agree with you, and think that what you quoted also is evidence of an opening for the Dems.
Another violent agreement. Is the moon full tonight?;-)
Yeah, maybe so, but seems to me that when your only real choices are to say what you see or let lies stand up like they’re true, then you’re at least as well off speaking up. The voice gets stronger with use.
Oh, I’m not saying don’t bother. Just pointing out that *anything* the Democrats try to say is an uphill battle even when they make the effort (which they usually don’t).
In a sense, campaign season is an opportunity for the Democrats to speak directly to the voters via ads. It’s obviously not the most objective or in-depth media, but at least they can present their own narrative, completely undiluted by Republican spin.
marksb, I thought all that stuff did nothing to advance his theme, and just weakened the final product. The global warming part stood on its own and didn’t need any justification or excuse. IMHO.
Sophist – I read your 37 at first as “the N.Y.Times Rallied by Bush”
I thought that was nice of him, what with the hole in their paper where Judy’s tales used to regale.
You can feel that they all are in mourning for the cherrypicking days of yore.
Here’s some WaPoO chats for Thursday. Get your questions in now, FDL — be at the top of the pile when the Posties come to work tomorrow morning!
National Political Editor John Harris at 11am eastern time
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01141.html
Mark Plotkin, Local Politics at noon eastern:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00981.html
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Had Enough?
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Punaise – yes, my lamb, I love gyros too!
Mary at 111, yeah sorry my comment at 37 lacked the end ‘quotes’ in the href tag.
sigh
for a webmaster, I should know better.
That kind of omission is the reason why staging sites are so often used in production web content.
It should have appeared as
From the N.Y.Times — Rallied by Bush, Skittish G.O.P. Now Embraces War as Issue
DaVinci Codex 107, I think Gore’s motives for the slideshow tour were “always for love” but his motives for the movie were “partly for love” and “partly for self-promotion.”
arrgggh, I did it again…
maybe its wordpress though, thought I had that tag right, at least the grammatical flow is more obvious this time.
Oh and speaking of non-Iraqi military issues, holy mother of gob!
http://tinyurl.com/qv3f6
These guys were Clinton defense folk!
Might be time for me to head for bed…under it!
G,night pups.
Can’t we send Bill over to work Ramadi as curfew officer? I’m sure they’d be happy to have him come whip things into shape.
TDS – had a Representative who very seriously talked about how rich white kids in the suburbs are not threatened by violent video games, but the kids whose brothers were selling drugs on the corner were going to be damaged.
I’d never learn anything if it weren’t for Congress.
The working link’s even scarier!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01518.html
Me too. G’nite
You guys are on fire tonight. 116 comments in one hour and twenty minutes. That’s pretty amazing.
Ugh. I ate a big plate of Korean barbecue waaaay too fast.
I think O’Reilly is, in the tradition of fascists, a cowardly bully. If he was afraid of you, but you had something he wanted, he would be the oiliest, most obsequious, boot-licking suck-up under the sun. Anyone who he feels superior to is in for a campaign of brutal harrassment and bullying.
Rightards. They’re either at your throat or at your feet, fawning or foaming at the mouth.
O’Reilly’s Free-Dumb
hey TRex – minor twist on one from the other night:
“Cat on a Haughty Tin Ear”
Punaise, that was pure pun-ishment.
OK, some good news via Josh Marshall at TPM:
Latest Zogby senatorial polls…heh heh heh!
http://online.wsj.com/public/r…..;mod=blogs
I got yer Bush bounce right here!
O’Reilly is the original Officer Krupke.
One of the saddest observations I have about Bill O’Reilly, other than the shame I feel he brings to the Irish,
is that my brother-in-law, who has a Masters degree in 20th Century History, and teaches History to
high-school students, is a big fan of Bill O’Reilly.
I was dumbstruck to hear this, my own education was more a cross-section of literature, and philosphy,
with the requisite contextual history to broaden both areas of study.
(You can’t study philosophy or literature without studying the ‘audience’ that was being addressed.)
To hear someone purported a scholar of history relating to the 20th century america and it’s mis-adventures,
choose Bill O’Reilly as his palatable mouth-piece was very disturbing.
If anything it lent a strong credence to the argument that one of the downsides of institutional academia is the
tendency towards a non-intellectual and in-curious conformity.
That impression of course was compounded later that same day by the discussion had with my sister, a scholarship
honours physics and chemistry graduate, who had never heard of Nikola Tesla.
Sigh…
You talkin’ to me, Rick Sanitarium? Coz I don’t see nobody else here…! I gotcher 20 year old chem rounds right here!
Sophist #129:
I read Tesla’s bio. So there are at least two of us. *g*
I got yer Bush bounce right here!
It’s nice to see, but it’s not nearly enough.
Pleasantly surprised to see Sherrod Brown doing so well, although I still would have preferred Hackett. Dems need more firebreathers who won’t take any shit.
Unfortunately Ohio will DeWine after his time. But it’ll have to do.
ot, sorry
a few posts before I linked to anatorium claiming we found wmd’s
the dept of defense dissagrees
hehe
from think progress again
Another way to cut out the middleman: write earmarks that directly benefit yourself!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02210.html
That WaPo piece on N Korea is pretty scarey. Who are those folks?
Sophist, your first try was just fine. It was partly my tired eyes and partly my wishful imagination. I imagined him arriving, cherrypicked pie, in a basket, nice checked towel on top, the newsroom flocking …
Armitage just gave an interview to the Aussie news. Said that Iraq was not going well, that the South was dissolving around the Brits and there was lots of Shia on Shia violence in the south. Thought it likely that the Iraqi gov may ask us to leave Also that Afghanistan – not going well either.
OTOH, whoever had the link above to the Afghan journalists – that was a great story. I do wonder (rubbing my chin) who might be the “some news analysts” were that seem so concerned that the journalists might be too relentlessly critical of the government, thereby hurting national security? Hmmmmm. How dare they not call them Freedom Fries (uh, I mean Freedom Fighters) instead of warlords!
The best part was that the gov giving out info that it said could not be distributed or copied for national security reasons guaranteed that hundreds of copies would be everywhere, immediately.
It sounds to me like Afghanistan may have a replacement for poppies. THey could export some journalists to the US. ;-)
O’Reilly…though it may get you applause from the Redstaters, stupidity is not a defense!
That’s an awful falafel
Awww, this is almost sad—
Except that it’s them, ho-ho-ho!
Thanks mommybrain – you made me laugh so hard it reminded me Jon Stewart is on. Good night Firepups!
I think that’s it for me, kids. Hope everybody has a good night.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
Bonne nuit, TRex.
buenos gazpachos, TRex.
menu advice: steer clear of the awful falafel waffles for breakfast.
O/T…
Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman is a piece of shit. I’ve heard numerous Dems and consultants say, even though they disagree with Joe, they he’s a nice guy with a conscience.
Not buying. Lieberman is a piece of shit.
http://lamontblog.blogspot.com…..-reed.html
soaponarope @ 145
Have you been here in the last few days? There’s stuff going on. Among other things…
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/thanks/
Didn’t FDR have a little dog named Falafel?
I got an e-mail from the DCCC asking for money. I replied and told them I would contribute to the DCCC when the House Democratic Caucus endorses Rep. John Conyers’ resolution for an impeachment investigation of Preznit Bush.
neurophius
Sort of… but it fel.
Great one!
http://www.classbrain.com/artb…..fala.shtml
Concerning both Soros and Bill O., a post from Mark Kleiman:
http://www.samefacts.com/archi…..tactic.php
He appeared on O’Reilly’s show.
I think the DCCC has taken me off the list. My last reply was enough to convince them of the futility of the effort.
Can’t wait ’til the bastards try and blame Dean for all the lost chances in ‘06. Cowards & fools!
I’m glad there are still a couple of you here.
I got an e-mail from the Huffington Post. They have a story about something that makes me want to riot in the streets:
“House Republicans broke a promise Wednesday when lawmakers mutinied and forced the cancellation of a vote to renew the Voting Rights Act. The failure was a “significant embarrassment” for the party’s leadership, according to the New York Times.
As one of nation’s most important civil rights bills, the renewal of the Voting Rights Act was supposed to be a rare moment of bipartisan unity. Instead, some GOP lawmakers nixed the vote because they say it unfairly targets Southern states. Representative Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) said “a lot of it looks as if these are some old boys from the South who are trying to do away with it.”"
Racist Republican slime.
Maybe Westmoreland suddenly remembered another of the Ten Commandments:
Thou shalt not steal.
shoephone
Is that the guy that Colbert skewered?
He just decided he shall, instead.
neurophius – Yup. The same one!
Couldn’t think of ANY building more appropriate than a courthouse to post the 10 Commandments. I guess he’s never been near a church…
I’m pretty sure he’s at the racetrack every Sunday – watching the ponies.
neurophius
Saw it .5 hrs ago. Won’t buy Select, but this has been brewing for some time, hasn’t it? And don’t you get the sense that the narrow, demographic-related attack the RThugs have been leaking since January was leading to this moment?
I get a twinge when Westmoreland speaks up on this, no matter how he temporizes…
WTF?
http://apoeticjustice.blogspot…..dance.html
NAKED MAN’S DANCE!!
HTF did I miss this?
http://westmoreland.house.gov/…..ntID=45606
poetryman
I noticed firedoglake isn’t on your rather lengthy blogroll but you come here to drum up business?
To republicans, HAVA = Have Another Vodka, Alito.
They’re just gettin’ him loosened up for 2008.
Dear Justice Stevens,
Please take your vitamins.
Sincerely, Liberty.
Hmmm. From Westmoreland’s voting record:
Civil Rights
2005 Representative Westmoreland supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 22 percent in 2005.
2005 Representative Westmoreland supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 0 percent in 2005.
Is anybody manning the Trexxing switch?
retired @ 141
This really can’t be spun by the goopers. It just makes them look racist and dumb. They seem to have lost all sense of political savvy.
not that I’m complaining…
At the LWV convention a couple of weeks ago, the Florida State League Pres. got a rousing standing ovation when she alluded to the law suit they just filed against Jebby Bush for discriminatory voter registration practices. The Ohio League Pres. said they may do the same thing.
Wouldn’t it be great if all the state Leagues joined together in a class action suit against Dennis Hastert?
Well, a girl can dream.
shoephone
Sounds good to me. But Florida and Ohio sound like great places to start.
Wish I knew how to operate the Trexxing switch.
When I said “manning,” I didn’t mean it in a sexist way…
Frankly, they can’t touch the Voting Rights Act. It’s name actually reflects it’s purpose.
Now, if they can get Luntz on the case and write a bill to counter it, and give it a typically Orwellian name…
“The Return to Democracy Act”…
“The BPDA (Brown People Disentitlement Act) Bill”…
Now we’re talking!
“somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun” – why, Trex, you’re channeling Bernie Ward!
The Electorate Cleansing Act
Golly, I’m in uncharted territory here on the Late Late Show at FDL.
In the wee small hours of the morning…
Ah …Cleansing.
That’s chilling wordsmithery.
Manning, schmanning… I don’t take offense. (I still wish I knew where the “football” was, though).
Are you in WA, shoephone?
I’m in the midwest and it’s after 3 a.m.
I was waiting up to let in one of our cats who isn’t supposed to be outside. Then I was waiting up for the rainstorm to see how my new gutters work out. Now I don’t know why I’m still up. Inertia, I guess.
N – Yes, I’m in WA.
And I have no bloody idea what I’m still doing up! I don’t have the cat excuse.
newton – you still here?
Where do you hail from?
The EPU factor at fdl is something which keeps this great blog from becoming more dynamic than it already is.
Lving in Alaska, being a worker who often doesn’t get home until late here, let alone in Oregon or West Virginia, I’ve tried to help insomniacs and people in Singapore keep these late night threads active. Eventually, fdl WILL do that because of the growth of interest in this blog and in this form of communication.
That being said, I’m reposting my rant at Dover Bitch from her otherwise excellent post Wednesday morning on net neutrality:
Dover Bitch,
OT, but an irker to me:
“He swindled $223 million from the American people for a “bridge to nowhere.””
If you google the term “bridge to nowhere” or, more correctly, “bridges to nowhere,” you get thousands upon thousands of links to articles about the Knik Arm crossing bridge and the Gravina Island bridge so full of ignorance, cold indifference toward Alaskan affairs and willful ignorance, you could chill down the Arctic enough to slow global warming for a few weeks or more.
More money is wasted on earmark “roads to somewhere” mileage in the Michigan City-Gary-Chicago-Milwaukee axis in a year than total road mileage EXISTS in Alaska now or within the next fifty years.
I’m an ardent environmentalist. I’m 100% anti-ANWR drilling. But I’ve also participated in many responsible development projects here. Most educated Alaskans want our economy to grow and diversify so that there will be high-paying, interesting jobs here for our kids and grandkids. If that happens, they’ll go away to the lower 48 to college and return here after graduating, unlike now when well over half don’t. Our educated kids who leave for lack of opportunity are replaced by ill-educated fundamentalists from the Texas-Louisiana-Oklahoma oilbelt, who come up, take non-union jobs from union workers, and help steer our state in a seemingly unalterable course further toward the right.
Progressives who dismiss Alaska development while spouting inane talking points only help build a longer bridge between true progress up here and a fairly valid perception here that people in the lower 48 want to “save” Alaska so they feel less bad about their failures to preserve environmental quality in their own back yard.
SF Bay Area. I was just thinking OT:
Anybody care that a team from North Carolina just won the Stanley Cup on Monday Night? Does the Left Coast even know that hockey exists? Just bitching.
Well, I think I’m all done. Goodnight, shoephone, and newton if you are there. Ed*ard Teller, carry on with the late late shift. And I mustn’t forget all you lurkers.
How many patriotic church going americans would have supported the war in 2002 if;
1. The draft reinstated to get the 500,000 combat troops needed to secure Iraq after mission accomplished.
2. Tax increase to pay for it.
3. Five plus year commitment to get things stable.
4. Up front dollar commitment from Americans for say $ One Trillion.
I am concerned the on the cheap war will not yield stability in the region.
newton- We have a hockey team here called the Thunderbirds. But I’ve never been.
ET – did Alaskans give Stevens any shit at all for lying about how he was gonna quit the Senate if Cantwell shut down his ANWR bill? (which she did)
goodnight (or rather, morning) neurophius.
Lord Jeopardy
1) Whose Kids?
2) Whose taxes?
3) Who decides what ’stability’ is? (Bush? Cheney?)
4) Sell the US Navy, the state of Texas and nucular power plants!
War on the cheap was the goal it seems. Chaos in that region seems to serve only on master – Capitalism (theft, in this case).
Just my paraniod, conspiracy-theorist side showing…
shoephone,
the few MSM-linked outlets here damned it faintly, but gave him less crap than five or six years ago when other senior moments had been more significant locally.
ET – he’ll certainly be crowing tomorrow when his telecom bill makes it out of committee.
166:
That’s right, Chief…we’re probably not going to ‘repsond to Kos’ trouble’…And why, you might ask?
Tympani roll, please
DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNN
…Because the masthead says FDL, not Daily Kos.
Progressives have an advantage in this regard…What happens in a neighbor’s house is their business and responsibility, and if a controversy ensues, it’s not the overriding concern or duty of the greater community to castigate the ‘evildoer’ or expiate some sort of shared ’sin’ for the benefit of the affectedly offended (as opposed to, say, shovelling it under the carpet in an act of frenzied groupthink, or using the ever-popular ‘Our opponents do it too’ defense).
Rather, it is incumbent upon the individual who causes the controversy to explain their position while the greater community decides upon their own reponse in a rational fashion using critical thinking, all the while ignoring calculated attempts by outsiders to manufacture outrage as a divisive strategy.
Lazy, agenda-driven reporting coughed out of the hackosphere just doesn’t bring the bacon home like it used to…Sad, but true.
People are going to have to shake that lockstep thinking if they want to get anywhere near spitting distance of the future.
Otherwise, they’re a dinosaur in search of a tarpit.
But you knew that already, didn’t you?
shoephone @ 187
Seattle? Dubuque? Vancouver? There are Thunderbirds Hockey in at least those cities!
ET-
I don’t mean to pick, but are you arguing that Alaska needs the work, and it therefore needs the bridge? Actually I’m OK with that. But the petulant prick who stands up for Alaska in the Senate does little for the state when making the case the way he did. His humiliating rants on ANWR and Gravina Island made it nearly impossible to take anything he said seriously. Maybe the legislature shouldn’t be a place where PR rules, but it’s what we got.
newton – Seattle T-Birds.
I’d love to live in a town with minor league hockey. Great tix prices, families. You guys have a great arena, too.
http://www.seattlethunderbirds…../arena.php
newtonusr,
Thanks for helping me make my point. We could use the Gravina bridge – do some research and get back to me. The Knik Arm crossing bridge is, as configured, another dumb idea. We are hostages in Alaska to the power Sen. Stevens has accrued. No politician in southcentral Alaska can be elcected to dogcatcher if he or she comes out publicly against development of ANWR. Period.
Stevens saved the Corporation for Public Broadcaasting twice. He’s pro-choice. He’s still negotiating (I’ve been told) with Inouye on net neutrality.. Insofar as he’s all over the place on his ideology, he’s quintessentially Alaskan. Then, there’s his son, the evil Ben……..
I dislike defending Sen. Stevens as much as I dislike jumping on Dover Bitch’s inanity, but – hey – I’m an Alaskan. Different. 99% of fdl readers might not understand. Come up and visit my family. You might start to get it- the difference.
Maybe in few short years I’ll become a fan. So far, it hasn’t hit me yet. It is a nice arena. The Sonics are threatening to leave town unless the taxpayers spend $224 million (real cost – $400 million) to remodel it for them. This, on top of the millions we spent for the last remodel 12 years ago. Howard Schultz, Mr. Starbucks, is the majority owner of the team, and he’s gone around whining and moaning, and then spitting knives at everybody who questions why we should continually pony up for sports teams that are owned by billionaires. Pretty much everybody in town has told Schultz, “Go away little girl”.
But the T-birds would probably still stay, as far as I know.
ET
The Gravina bridge may be a great example. I’ve never been to Alaska – what “boots-on-the-ground” perspective could I possibly have. Like a lot of things not in California, we get very little practical information. Like: “There’s only 50 people on this island. A bridge for hundreds of millions of dollars, and New Orleans drowns?”. So if you told me that the bridge served more than 50 people, or the bridge did this or that for local wildlife habitat, or the local economy needs to build this thing, cool. So it’s off to do my DD on Gravina & Knik Arm, before I look really foolish.
Stevens – is he a typical “Alaskan”? That record is all over the place. Don’t know the first thing about the evil Ben (more DD), but he sounds viral compared to Dad!
shoephone
The owner of the Safeway grocery chain, Mr Peter (Union-Busting Bastard) McGowan bought the SF Giants, and you wouldn’t believe what he wanted from the city to stay.
Pacific Bell (soon to become SBC, then ATT) stepped in and built PacBell Park (soon to become SBC Park, then ATT Park).
So I’m glad the San Jose Sharks are just a piece down 101.
Fading. ‘night, you guys.
me too. night.
ET – thanks for the invite!
newtonusr @ 2:19 am (#197) – IIRC, the “bridge to nowhere” would actually serve about 2,500 people. I don’t know if that’s enough for you, or not. I just know there’s a city of 600,000 or so a ways down the coast that could use that money for quite a few things, and it was told to pound sand (but not for pilings ;)). And, of course, New Orleans needs it even worse right now.
okay, one last comment. Giants Stadium is now AT&T Park? Jeez. They may as well just make it official and change the marquee to “NSA Stadium”.
Cujo359
Sold. And I wouldn’t even think to pull out the New Orleans argument. If there was ANY political will to rebuild/restore/replace the place, the Alaska money wouldn’t have been mentioned by anyone. Earmarks – it’s what’s for America.
shoephone
Back when the Giants played at venerable Candlestick Park, there was a trial balloon floated by the team – let’s let corporate sponsorship pick up some of the tab…
It was to add a small corporate logo to the freeway sign near the park:
The year was 1974.
1974. I think I remember back that far.
(I think.)
goodnight.
Morning all. I hope Jane, her Mom and the family are getting some healing rest.
Today is starting out beautiful in the Boston area, but likely to rain sometime later. Good for the garden!
Somebody is workin’ I see….
Appreciated!
Hamid Karzai urged the international community to reassess its approach to the war on terror Thursday, saying the deaths of hundreds of Afghans in fighting with U.S.-led forces was “not acceptable.”
Maybe chimpy needs to land a fighter on a carrier and stand in front of a banner that read ‘Mission Abandoned’ in Afghanistan? That should fix things right up… another photo op.
Immanentize 204 – raining here south of u in PA. I can hear the sucking sound out in the garden as the plants suck up the rain like a five year old finishing a milkshake.
oops, here’s the link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13473386/
twolf1 — where in PA? I grew up on the NY/PA border.
A border which probably ought to be sealed until you get rid of Santorum ;~)
imm – in Kutztown, between Allentown and Reading. I was born and raised in MD, inside the beltway.
Yes, Santorum must go. I can’t wait to vote against him. Here’s santorum announcing that we found WMD:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-santorum/
By the way:
“freeance and peeance” in Afghanistan:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01821.html
Hi, imm and twolf1 (and everybody). Good morning to yez, and DRAT the biorhythms that conk some of us out just as things get a-blowin an’ a-goin’ nightside!
But now that I’m here, I wish Jane and her mom and sis comfort today — and same to Dr.BB and parents, and to all other littermates in stress and/or grief right now.
((((hugs all around))))
Kutztown — been there many times. Love that whole Amish thing…. Did you know that many Amish families have moved into the Northern Finger Lakes Region in New York? A big cultural shift and a big change for that area.
As for Santorum, I saw that video of him on Fox (via think progress). Is it just me, or did you get the sense he believed the administration was going to back him up on this new talking point? Do you think maybe Rove got a little out front of DOD?
Let’s see what happens in the next few days….
Mornin’ Lotus. You weren’t here, so Twolf1 and I brought in some papers for you….
Thanks, chappies.
Yesterday was my first experience of Santy at the podium. Pathetic. From here, I could hear his heart pounding as he stumbled and mumbled around. Smelled the coffee breath, the shirt starch, the flopsweat, and I moved a tick or two toward pitying him.
But it passed.
Yeah, did look like he thought he was ‘the man’ and that rover had his back. Maybe he should have gone with the pastel suit again. You know how that adds credibility to anything you say. The thing that scares me is that there are still people that will vote for him.
Besides Santorum, the other nimrod spoutiung the WMD story was Hoekstra — he’s the G-D Damned Chair of the Intelligence Committee.
No Irony there…. We as a nation are in the hands of cheats and liars.
Lotus, you didn’t get any of his spittle on you, I hope. Could be rabid….
ok kids, catch ya later. gotta go work. it’s gonna be a long one, maybe i’ll catch late nite FDL.
Don’t worry, imm 221, I ducked.
Here, been doing a litttle paper-bringing-in myself … Found us some fresh Charlie Savage:
Arlen up on his hind legs again. Somebody get the stopwatch.
O’Reilly:
Can we make him President of Washington D.C.?
And drop that silliness about not shooting until after 7:00 P.M.?
it’s 4 in the afternoon in beautiful historic downtown Baghdad and the temperature is 109ºF
*ilson, I hear you’re to be congratulated on some fine work last night. I’d say sorry I missed it, but maybe not. Anyhow, thanks.
So, *ilson, Baghdad is having a regular old cool spell….
lotus, in a perverse way, it was fun … the trolls were out running wild in the streets. I’ve never been a fan of shoot-em-up video games but I guess I got that same sort of sick thrill. It’s also way cool having ‘delete’ power on a major blog like FDL.
My other guilty pleasure is correcting the minor typos the busy Ladies make here. I’m not a creative writer so if I can help make other’s gems sparkle a little more brilliantly, I’m glad to be of assistance…
stay clear of Tikrit! it’s 4:15pm and it’s 113ºF over there …
Most airplanes cannot take off when the temperature reaches 110.
Jes sayin’
B’dad, cool spell or not, is hard on Humvees, and Tikrit’s worse, sez here. Can’t get it to copy, but:
in the last 4 months, 7K Humvees and 17K “other pieces of equipment” have been tagged to return to the U.S. for rebuilding. “The move anticipates that the number of American troops in Iraq will decline. … “
How do all those ME airlines and air forces deal with that, imm?
You got plenty sparkle all your own, *ilson.
Re: Arlen. He reminds me of what a cheating prosecutor in San Antonio once told me. This guy was such a cheater — he’d hide evidence, get cops to lie on the stand, threaten defense witnesses. He tried nearly 20 death penalty cases — got convictions and death sentences in them all. Not one stood up on appeal.
He said, “Convictions on page one, reversals go on page 12.”
Arlen has it down: tough talk about oversight gets big media coveage. His piddle pants cave ends up a small item on A-7.
well, first off: we can assume that the Tikrit Airport isnt a hub for too many major Iraqi airlines anymore …
Hope that prosecutor eventually got his ticket pulled, imm. Someday Arlen will too.
They mostly take off in the morning or evening. The airforce has different specs…/
Helicopters need a lot of rotation and fuel to stay up too when it’s so hot
Speakin’ of Imus and his Republican guests and their agendas, Christy…Santorum is coming up shortly. Imus sounded irritated when he announced it.
And if I didn’t believe that all the media shuffle in the Minneapolis metro doesn’t bode an opportunity for him and for our lake cabin news viewing, I’d be truly distressed that Randy’s departing MSNBC. They dump Randy, they keep Rita? Whazzup with that?
All those jets we supply the Israelis, Saudis, Egyptians and Jordanians (?) must have special desert-hardy systems, eh?
to test those MidEast airplanes for hot air flight they use retired GOP Congresscritters …
Let’s retire a bunch more, so the ME airlines can fly SAFE!
The lawyer did finally get into trouble, but that was after he went into private practice as a defense attorney. Equally horrible at that, he never did any work or investigation. But he got rich because people flocked to him because he was such a “successful” prosecutor. He ended up comingling clients funds (i.e. stealing) — oops. Don’t know what happened to him after he lost his license. Probably went to work for Rove.
new thread — fresh Redd
Just reading the rest of that story I linked at 232. Sorry not to be able to haul some of it here, but it’s really worth a further look.
to the right of Attila the Hun
Did you just quote Evita?
Bill O’Rielly is a Proper Ganderist.
CarrieICL: I remember that crack being made during the Goldwater campaign of 1964 so it’s an old saw …
Watch for it,Falafel Boy is going to have a complete mental breakdown on national TV,or possibly radio.I think someone(s)should start really messing with his head,on purpose,just to help the whole process along.Nothing drastic,just little things that will freak him out.It won’t take much.
Bill always struck me as someone who got bullied around alot as a kid(probably with a dad who told him to suck it up and deal),couldn’t get many dates because he’s uber creepy,and now the whole world is going to pay for it.His books and his yapping and yammering sound just like a middle school kid with a huge chip on his shoulder.If only people would just live like him and believe like him then there wouldn’t be any problems.Except the perfect world in Bill’s head is stupid,and hardly anyone agrees with him.The only people that do are just like him.Guys who think the world gave them a raw deal,it’s not fair,if only others knew their place,the world would be just dandy.It pisses him off when anyone “doesn’t know their place,being uppity”,and by god he’ll attack it because it bothers him.And scares him,though real men never get scared.
Is there a Mrs. O’Reilly? I’ve heard tell there is,someone should check on her.He certainly doesn’t shut off this bullying,bloviating,puffy headed manliness once he gets home after”work”,especially if she does something that bothers him,which could be anything.I don’t think Bill’s shows are an”act”,in other words,he doesn’t hide who he really is.I’m not saying he’s a wife beater,but Mrs.O(if she exists) could be an emotional wreck from living with the guy.Unless she rules the roost in some sort of dominatrix/mommy thing,oh ewwww.Just,ewww,I’m so sorry I went there.
T-Rex: As soon as I saw the title of this post, I got all excited because I knew it was one of yours!
Here’s a snip from the Slate:
The notion that the Kennedy School of Government, populated by swells out of P.G. Wodehouse, reached out to O’Reilly, a poor orphan out of Dickens, as representing the opposite pole of the human experience, would be remarkable enough. But O’Reilly’s chapter on “The Class Factor” (Chapter 1, luckily for me) contains some puzzling counterevidence. “I’m working-class Irish American Bill O’Reilly %u2026 pretty far down the social totem pole,” he says. Growing up in the 1960s, he watched his father “exhausting himself commuting from Levittown” to work as an accountant for an oil company. Dad “never made more than $35,000″%u2014which would be $100,000 or more in today’s money.
Oh, the shame of it! O’Reilly has been downward social climbing. He is actually%u2014and I wish I could say this in Thai, to avoid humiliating him with the children%u2014m-i-d-d-l-e c-l-a-s-s. He apparently regards that status with just as much horror as do the toffs of his fevered imagination.
http://www.slate.com/id/2143244/
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/…..327fa_fact
The New Yorker did a piece on the big head’s “baroque period”; it included new-to-me information about a thriller the creep wrote called Those Who Trespass- a violent revenge fantasy where a wronged big head goes out and slaughters his enemies…Very creepy!
Angry Old Broad- I think you are right; he is already cracking, and it is only a matter of time before he ’splodes! In the meantime, more fodder for Countdown; the only place I ever see his mug.
I’ll have another delicious slice of that trailer trash pie.
AngryOldBroad,
I hear you. Middle school kids, the lot of ‘em.
And your eeeeeeeeew moment? I’m with ya on that one, too.
Hi newtonusr
1) Whose Kids?
Easy the poor, poorly educated, high school jocks and future senators.
2) Whose taxes?
Easy the middle class.
3) Who decides what `stability` is? (Bush? Cheney?)
Not so easy.
4) Sell the US Navy, the state of Texas and nucular power plants!
Easy we will export WMD, of course we will off shore these also.