Comments on: Cheney and Rumsfeld vs. the CIA http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:44:48 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Lord Jeopardy http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-155056 Lord Jeopardy Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:05:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-155056 <p>Why is it poor old Tenent?, he sold out. or is he in on it?</p> <p>The CIA director job is short term so a person with integrity wouldn’t have allowed bad old VP guy & scooter to visit and review/check the NIE before it was finished/final.</p> <p>Tenent had no options or power, a person of integrity would have resigned and not for personal reasons.</p> <p>I had a lot of respect for Mr. Powell but a good soldier (or Sec. Of State) keeps marching instead of resigning. When Mr. Powell did not resign he lost all my respect, he is no better than the rest of them.</p> <p>I spent 20 plus years in the corporate world, integrity held me back, so I have walked the talk. I heard the subtle and not so subtle from the higher ups in every company I worked for.</p> <p>Good question…. who is behind Cheney? Any connection to who is behind Kerry? with the videos of a young guy in Vietnam and gets to talk to the political leaders with his vast experience.</p> Why is it poor old Tenent?, he sold out. or is he in on it?

The CIA director job is short term so a person with integrity wouldn’t have allowed bad old VP guy & scooter to visit and review/check the NIE before it was finished/final.

Tenent had no options or power, a person of integrity would have resigned and not for personal reasons.

I had a lot of respect for Mr. Powell but a good soldier (or Sec. Of State) keeps marching instead of resigning. When Mr. Powell did not resign he lost all my respect, he is no better than the rest of them.

I spent 20 plus years in the corporate world, integrity held me back, so I have walked the talk. I heard the subtle and not so subtle from the higher ups in every company I worked for.

Good question…. who is behind Cheney? Any connection to who is behind Kerry? with the videos of a young guy in Vietnam and gets to talk to the political leaders with his vast experience.

]]> By: Sage Kiesel http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153989 Sage Kiesel Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:43:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153989 <p>The question is: who’s behind Cheney?</p> The question is: who’s behind Cheney?

]]> By: ESaund http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153379 ESaund Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:29:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153379 <p>Re: Cheney was down on the CIA because they missed the collapse of the Soviet Union —</p> <p>I always thought it was the other way around, that it was the hardliners in the Ford and later in the Reagan admistrations got it wrong.</p> <p>What way was it, or do we know for sure? Was the CIA pressured back in those days too?</p> Re: Cheney was down on the CIA because they missed the collapse of the Soviet Union —

I always thought it was the other way around, that it was the hardliners in the Ford and later in the Reagan admistrations got it wrong.

What way was it, or do we know for sure? Was the CIA pressured back in those days too?

]]> By: Beel http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153196 Beel Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:20:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153196 <p>Cheney’s view of the presidency is clearly that it is a spokesman’s office, to be manipulated by the real power behind and unseen…. Cheney in this case. It started when he appointed himself v.p. As for losing Bin Laden… these guys need Bin Laden. They needed him for 9/11, they need him now. Cheney’s view, and Rumsfeld’s, is that a democracy is a naive illusion, since it would be run by emotion-driven, ignorant, soft citizens who could care less about the long range big picture–that the US needs to control the planet to maintain it’s incredible standard of living. They tell us this is there view whenever we ask. That’s what Rummy’s solution to all questions amounts to–there will always be disagreement and argument (i.e., democracy), therefore it’s all irrelevant, just white noise to be manipulated or otherwise played. And yes, thank gawd we still have PBS, although I thought the Dark Side puts too much emphasis on Tenent’s weakness.</p> Cheney’s view of the presidency is clearly that it is a spokesman’s office, to be manipulated by the real power behind and unseen…. Cheney in this case. It started when he appointed himself v.p. As for losing Bin Laden… these guys need Bin Laden. They needed him for 9/11, they need him now. Cheney’s view, and Rumsfeld’s, is that a democracy is a naive illusion, since it would be run by emotion-driven, ignorant, soft citizens who could care less about the long range big picture–that the US needs to control the planet to maintain it’s incredible standard of living. They tell us this is there view whenever we ask. That’s what Rummy’s solution to all questions amounts to–there will always be disagreement and argument (i.e., democracy), therefore it’s all irrelevant, just white noise to be manipulated or otherwise played. And yes, thank gawd we still have PBS, although I thought the Dark Side puts too much emphasis on Tenent’s weakness.

]]> By: Lord Jeopardy http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153124 Lord Jeopardy Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:06:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153124 <p>Bush is not stupid, he graduated from Yale & Harvard, plus he has God giving him direction, how could he be wrong with God backing him?</p> <p>Cheney is good for business, the cold war lasted about 40 years, how long will the war on terror last?? </p> <p>When will the USA good guys (backed by innocent civilians) kill the last terrorist???</p> Bush is not stupid, he graduated from Yale & Harvard, plus he has God giving him direction, how could he be wrong with God backing him?

Cheney is good for business, the cold war lasted about 40 years, how long will the war on terror last??

When will the USA good guys (backed by innocent civilians) kill the last terrorist???

]]> By: spiderpaws http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153099 spiderpaws Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:40:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153099 <p>…well… this is the end, my only friend, the end…<br /> seriously, you all gone to bed or jes takin’ the night off?… Guess I’ll go read my Genghis Khan book in between wacking mosquitos with a swatter…hotter’n Hades here…</p> …well… this is the end, my only friend, the end…
seriously, you all gone to bed or jes takin’ the night off?… Guess I’ll go read my Genghis Khan book in between wacking mosquitos with a swatter…hotter’n Hades here…

]]> By: Rushton http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153084 Rushton Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:26:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153084 <p>I feel very strongly that there is a nexus between PNAC and AQ and that it will eventually come out in the open. It is a marriage of convenience and the objective is maximum war profiteering and looting of the treasury. I’m just sayin’…………</p> I feel very strongly that there is a nexus between PNAC and AQ and that it will eventually come out in the open. It is a marriage of convenience and the objective is maximum war profiteering and looting of the treasury. I’m just sayin’…………

]]> By: DAB http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153011 DAB Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:37:27 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-153011 <p>And who paid for the Mission Accomplished banner, and how did it get on the ship? A mis-appropriation of funds? Government money or campaign money?</p> And who paid for the Mission Accomplished banner, and how did it get on the ship? A mis-appropriation of funds? Government money or campaign money?

]]> By: dopey-o http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-152852 dopey-o Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:21:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-152852 <p>motherlowman at 198:<br /> “They would do what they actually did in the event of a Gore victory.”</p> <p>well of course! (slaps forehead)….</p> <p>suppose scalia and thomas were sick the day the supremes gave the election to W? with cheney and rummy sitting on the sidelines, how would they get their war on? another round of impeachment? impeach gore, then impeach leiberman, then president hastert steps up to the plate?</p> <p>would another country’s intel service (cough… italy ….cough) gin up some proof? could a friendly mideastern nation, say a small democracy, could they manipulate iraq into attacking them, then bring america into the fight? just how can you start a war when you don’t have the presidency?</p> motherlowman at 198:
“They would do what they actually did in the event of a Gore victory.”

well of course! (slaps forehead)….

suppose scalia and thomas were sick the day the supremes gave the election to W? with cheney and rummy sitting on the sidelines, how would they get their war on? another round of impeachment? impeach gore, then impeach leiberman, then president hastert steps up to the plate?

would another country’s intel service (cough… italy ….cough) gin up some proof? could a friendly mideastern nation, say a small democracy, could they manipulate iraq into attacking them, then bring america into the fight? just how can you start a war when you don’t have the presidency?

]]> By: HopeSpringsATurtle http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-152841 HopeSpringsATurtle Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:18:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/21/cheney-and-rumsfeld-vs-the-cia/#comment-152841 <p>It still amazes me that men insist on dick-swinging pissing contests when the fate of the WORLD hangs in the balance. We all have ego’s but at some point you have to get off it when its a matter of life and death. Sheesh.</p> It still amazes me that men insist on dick-swinging pissing contests when the fate of the WORLD hangs in the balance. We all have ego’s but at some point you have to get off it when its a matter of life and death. Sheesh.

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