
(guest post by Taylor Marsh)
After 9/11, Vice President Richard Cheney seized the initiative. He pushed to expand executive power, transform America’s intelligence agencies and bring the war on terror to Iraq. But first he had to take on George Tenet’s CIA for control over intelligence. "The Dark Side" – FRONTLINE
If you want to know why the Republicans target PBS’s funding, last night’s "The Dark Side" is an example. It’s the reason Americans should thank our lucky stars that we have it. Last night’s program is just another reminder of what can happen when mortal men think they are above the Constitution and are willing to risk it all to control the government. We know the story, at least most of it, but it’s startling all the same.
The relationship between Cheney and Rumsfeld started in the Ford administration. It’s a fascinating tale I happened to watch and live through, but suffice it to say that between the two of them they changed the face of that Administration, while solidifying their own power, which they re-enacted during George W. Bush’s presidency. They are joined in philosophy by what FRONTLINE calls a belief in the "primacy of military power." It’s what I believe finally morphed into Bush’s doctrine of preemption after 9/11. That tragedy became their launching pad for a policy dreamed up long ago.
As for Cheney’s antipathy towards the CIA, it goes back to bad intel on the Iranian revolution, the fact that they missed the collapse of the Soviet Union, but also that the CIA missed Saddam Hussein’s nuclear capabilities back in the early 1990s. However, it is clear that Cheney doesn’t like any arm of the government having separate and independent powers of the president, especially on matters of war and peace. The Nixon era affected us all and depending on your political leanings, on opposite sides of the spectrum, but none more so than Dick Cheney and the man who brought him into power, Donald Rumsfeld.
What is clear about "The Dark Side" is that when the CIA was given the go ahead to go into Afghanistan first, it was a blow to Cheney and Rumsfeld. They decided it would never happen again. What eventually happened in Afghanistan is what John Kerry talked about during the election, but no one would listen. It’s what Gary Berntsen has written about. We had bin Laden and his men, but we let him escape, because the Pentagon and General Tommy Franks didn’t put Army Rangers in to close up the mountainous eastern border, which allowed bin Laden to vanish.
FRONTLINE depicts a story of "Don Rumsfeld’s military." The CIA waited for over a month on the ground in Afghanistan, when it all began, but Rumsfeld did nothing. Then came a "fiery" NSC meeting back in the states where the CIA accused Rumsfeld of "dragging his feet in Afghanistan." Rumsfeld was jealous that George Tenet "had a leg up," so he went to Bush and said, "the CIA has to work for me or this isn’t going to work," said one agent in the documentary.
"We could all feel it slipping away, as week after week after week went by and the U.S. had no military units on the ground except a few Special Forces." – Richard Clarke, FRONTLINE
Knowing what was happening, Gary Berntsen took his men and went in towards bin Laden on his own, without permission of the Defense Department. Berntsen knew where bin Laden was, with around 1,000 men around him. He "urgently" called the Pentagon, which gave air support, but not the Army Rangers needed to finish the job and get bin Laden. It was a "nice beginning" to a "16-day battle," according to Berntsen.
"I’m convinced we wounded him. He was there at Tora Bora. I don’t think there’s any question now that bin Laden was at Tora Bora, was wounded in some way." – CIA agent involved in the mission
CIA officers "in the field told headquarters the border had not been closed and bin Laden had escaped."
Still, the routing of the Taliban in Afghanistan was a thrilling success for the CIA. It wasn’t their fault that not enough force was brought in to get bin Laden. It’s a fatal error that belongs with the Pentagon, but nothing can compare to what would happen next.
Iraq.
Riding high from Afghanistan, Tenet and the CIA then wanted to focus on al Qaeda across the globe. However, Dick Cheney was doing now what he’d done in the Ford administration, "behind closed doors." He "placed loyalists throughout the Administration" to undercut Tenet. It was beginning.
Former Democratic Senator Bob Graham recounts a meeting that General Tommy Franks requested, wherein he is told by the general that resources are now being diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. Franks denies the encounter.
"…If there were pressures that resulted in Mr. Pillar not being happy with what he finally authored, I can only imagine those pressures must have been extraordinary. Because he’s a man I would want my son to model himself after. To me that says, the pressure from the White House through Mr. Tenet on professional CIA officers was nearly overwhelming." – Michael Scheuer, FRONTLINE
Michael Scheuer talks about Tenet asking CIA agents to go back 10 years to find evidence of Iraq being involved with al Qaeda. Over 75,000 pages and 20,000 documents were examined. There was no connection between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.
One CIA officer after another is interviewed during the FRONTLINE show, giving full throat to what happened inside the intelligence apparatus. It’s as damning an indictment of cooked intelligence and stovepiping as many of us have talked about for months and months on sites and blogs across the web. The coercion of CIA agents was real. We’re still waiting to learn the truth from the Senate, but as long as the Republicans control Congress it will never happen.
Even knowing what happened, nothing prepares you for the unfolding story "The Dark Side" tells about Iraq. We all know it by heart, but to see it laid out again is even more startling than the first time around.
Adding to it all is the reality that Rumsfeld needed to "grow a nearly invisible operation" inside the Pentagon that would produce the intelligence the CIA wouldn’t produce. So he created it, with Douglas Feith in charge. They went to work showing the "true relationship" between Saddam and al Qaeda, what the CIA had been missing.
Then there was the story of the slapped together National Intelligence Estimate, which no one read. It hardly mattered, because it wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on.
"Quite frankly, the thing I find hardest to understand in this entire story: Where was the National Security Adviser, Condi Rice? She should have immediately have said to any DCI, not just George Tenet, anyone who did that in the Oval office: No, you go back and you come back with a better case. … But here again it was allowed to slide. It was allowed to slide because we all know he’s got weapons." David Kay, FRONTLINE
Condoleezza Rice was put in her position for a reason. She was weak, just like Bush, which played right into Cheney and Rumsfeld’s plans.
Then came the State of the Union speech from Bush, which opened out on to Joseph Wilson and the publicizing of the reality behind the hype. While the likes of former General Colin Powell and many others sat by, presented ridiculous tales and did nothing, as we prepared to send our troops to die, Wilson walked into the fire. Considering all the cowards involved in this tale, to call Joseph Wilson a hero is an understatement.
To say everything was a "lie" on Iraq is to cheapen the lives lost. It’s worse. It’s the biggest betrayal in U.S. history, in my opinion, because not even Vietnam compares. The escalation at least came from the president in those days.
During the Bush administration, we’ve been living through the most massive co-opting of the executive branch in history. Rumsfeld now controls the CIA. Cheney’s national security staff, as we now know, is larger than any vice president’s in history. Intelligence is now a function and political arm of the executive branch.
"(Vice President Dick Cheney) went out and had his chief of staff Scooter Libby appoint what amounts to a whole second national security counsel. It became a new source of power within the whole foreign policy community. It’s an agency all its own." – James Mann (author of Rise of the Vulcans)
The real issue then becomes that given Cheney and Rumsfeld’s power, what is George W. Bush really doing and who is really in charge? One thing is certain. It’s not the president.
Related posts:
- Liz Cheney Warns Against “Walking Away” from Afghanistan, Apparently Forgetting that Dick Cheney Walked Away from Afghanistan
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Bradley Graham, By His Own Rules: The Ambitions, Successes and Ultimate Failures of Donald Rumsfeld
- Rumsfeld Blames General Counsel Jim Haynes for Torture Policy
- The Fitzgerald-Cheney Interview: What Don’t We Know That We Don’t Know?
- Cheney Stops Trying





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Taylor ROCKS!!!
FDL, Fitz, Frontline
Hey, BobbyG! Back at you.
Taylor, tomorrow night, Ronnie Foster’s jazz gig at The Artisan, 10 pm.
Great post. Cheney is EVIL.
Great post, Taylor — so glad you didn’t have a non-napping 3-year-old to deal with today. *g* Thank you SO much for cross-posting it here.
Cheney is really Lord Valdemort!
They knowingly used a forgery to start a war. Biggest story of our lives. MSM reports nothing. It is poisoned by commercial considerations.
FRONTLINE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SHOW ON TELEVISION.
Dick Cheney – the non-smiling face of Facism.
My pleasure, always, Christy. As for the 3 year-old napping issue, you have no idea how glad I am, too! ;-)
Nice to know Taylor has to put up with teh trolls too.
Who cares if pbs is funded by the government? Does anyone actually watch pbs anyway? Do you have any idea how low their viewership is?
jerry | 06.21.06 – 2:39 pm | #
Sic ‘em Mary. Lol.
And don’t forget, cheney controls the DOJ and the State Dept while Rummy gets all intelligence agencies while Negroponte gets another massage at the spa.
yep, busted, she’s a classic.
Agree completely: FRONTLINE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SHOW ON TELEVISION.
They don’t force a judgement on you, but it would be hard to ignore the weight of the evidence they present.
gossipy fatual aside:
They could not pull their usual swiftboating on weapons inspector David Kay when he published his no wmd’s report
Why?? b/c the mighty wurlitzer was cranked up good and loud and across the right wing noise spectrum (limpballs especially) before he went over – touting his conservative, just the facts, straight shooter approach to “everything”
crikey – factual aside
Excellent post Taylor. I want to watch this Frontline episode again because I’m sure I missed a lot of info.
Your last question about who is running the white house made me recall something – Remember how Scooter Libby had written the speach that Colin Powell was to read to the U.N.? That was a big revelation in how much power Cheney really has.
People mention how Cheney is one of the most powerful Vice Presidents to ever hold office, but that is probably augmented because Bush is the weakest President to ever hold office.
Darth Cheney needs an ICD-9 410, Destination 20 for the good of the nation.
exactly CC, Bush is very weak, as is Condi Rice, which is a critical point drawn out by David Kay. It’s just such a powerful program, it cannot be overstated.
Taylor, thanks for weighing in on this topic with your typically incisive candor. In last night’s replay of the long nightmare, the thing that stood out most for me was Rummy’s willingness to allow bin Laden’s escape because that way Tenet couldn’t get more brownie points with Dubya. How perverse does it get?
It’s infuriating enough for me, but if I were a 9/11 family member, or a relative of a KIA/WIA from Afghanistan, I’d be screaming for Rummy to be brought up on charges, stat. We all enjoy dumping on Deadeye, but let’s not lose sight of his mentor.
As far as the Bush administration is concerned, I start from the premise that everything the presdident and those that “work for him” utter, is a fabrication with ulterior, self serving and opaque motives. And go from there. In the manner an investigator or a district attorney usually goes about interrogating a criminal suspect.
“Michael Scheuer talks about Tenet asking CIA agents to go back 10 years to find evidence of Iraq being involved with al Qaeda. Over 75,000 pages and 20,000 documents were examined. There was no connection between Iraq and Saddam.”
I know this is a typo, but it’s one that should be corrected: you mean there was no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
[ Moderator: Thank you! Corrected …. ]
These guys make the robber barons from the railroad days look like little apple stealing kids.Holy Crap.
Feingold and Kerry coming up… Feingold wants 45 minutes– cspan2
Again at 80, last thread, links to a chilling Karen Kwiatkowski 5-pager that makes the perfect companion-piece to Frontline’s program.
I hadn’t seen that one before, Again, so much thanks.
Love the photo. The Gerald Ford Medal for Distinguished Service? The mind simply reels.
You probably already saw this, but for all it’s worth, if your sheep-like, than so am I!!
TNR is a piece of shit
http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=21574
OT but important:
AT&T won’t let you talk on the phone unless you surrender your right to privacy.
And that, children, shows what the corporate weasels who want to take over the Internet mean by a “smart network.”
For those of us who flipped a coin last night and thus ended up watching Kathy Griffin’s visit to the troops in Iraq on Bravo (I know, I know)… while we wait for the re-run of Frontline, I really appreciate your post, Taylor. Thanks for visiting here at FDL and keeping us fed while our blogmistresses tend to their families.
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Had Enough?
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al-Scooter – I don’t think the broader public gets just how petty and politically motivated the Bush administration is, at all costs, on every front, before anything else is considered. Remember the quote I used from yesterday, Bush saying as long as he and the Republicans were in power we’d be in Iraq. It’s about saving political face at all time. It’s about ego.
This FDL link should make it everywhere, because FRONTLINE has offered powerful evidence that everyone should have in hand going forward.
Teddy 30 – go check out the top right hand ad here
http://bluegrassreport.org/
*g*
uh-oh, fighting for time on the senate floor. Joementum wants to talk, Byrd wants to talk…Warner is gonna blow his gasket and his southern gentleman demeanor may go by the wayside.
Here’s a thought. Is there any chance that Karl threw the Shooter under the bus just to get leverage? (i.e. Retire for medical reasons and I’ll make sure Commander Codpiece pardons you. Otherwise, you’re on your own.) And that Sensenbrenner’s move is some sort of pushback from Dick’s old House buddies? (i.e. Karl, I can bring this whole house of cards down with one phone call.)
O.T
sorry Taylor
but I just couldn’t resist a little levity after a daylong Darthfest
WSJ’s Henninger -”Gay Marriage Leads to Marrying Snakes”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0621.html
Even though most of what was shown on “Frontline” has been revealed over the past few years, seeing it replayed in one outrageous event after another gives rise to fury. How much longer can that sleeze Roberts continue to delay the “Second Phase,” on the Select Committee Report, I wonder. Cheney has to be one of the most evil bastards to ever have drawn a breath… and Rummy isn’t far behind.
OT– lordy lobsters… ain’t nobody gonna get to the watering holes tonite.
Byrd: I don’t think you can preclude me from speaking on my amendment. I have 46 pages and can do it in 35-45 minutes.
Leahy and Durbin coming up… Mass confusion.
angie says
June 21st, 2006 at 2:36 pm
uh-oh, fighting for time on the senate floor. Joementum wants to talk, Byrd wants to talk%u2026Warner is gonna blow his gasket and his southern gentleman demeanor may go by the wayside.
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My money’s on Byrd.
I think it was a two-fer for Rumsfeld. By misdirecting efforts in Afghanistan he was able to not only steal thunder from the CIA, but to make sure that there was still a bogeyman to help fuel his Iraq plans (since he was already picking out targets in Iraq prior to the Afghanistan invastion).
The Left Coaster has a post up that says Suskind’s book doesn’t just leave it all with Rumsfeld, though. He says that the CIA points WERE taken right up to Bush, who, as Decider, decided. Tack on that Bush, as Decider, decided not to go after Zarqawi in the days leading up to the Iraq war as well.
After all that, how does it end up that Leahy gets to talk? Even though I think I like what he’s sayin’…
Leahy’s almost always worth a listen, but Byrd will quote Cicero to you.
Our pathetic MSM hasn’t even raised an eyebrow over the very strange matter of Bush giving the Congressional Medal of Freedom (link enclosed below) to George Tenet. It makes no sense, given that the administration blames Tenet’s CIA for all the lousy intelligence on Iraq.
The only thing that explains it for me is that the administration was scared shitless that Tenet would pull a Richard Clarke and reveal everything he knew, thus they were compelled to blow some smoke up his ass by giving him a prestigious award.
http://images.google.com/image…..p;q=tenet, medal&sa=N&tab=wi
Me too, Frank.
But Leahy just made me cry!
Cheney delenda est !
Kerry asked that both Leahy and Durbin get to speak for 10 minutes each from the git-go, weeder.
cranky yankee 42 -
I think it explains why a LOT of Bush administration people don’t get thrown over the side. Too much mutually incriminating dirt all around.
Mary, *g*
and now that I have confessed that I love ol’ Senator Byrd, I will be forced to listen, when what I really want to hear is what Feingold has to say.
What’s truly terrifying about Chaney and Rumsfeld is that no one can stop them. They’re changing the world and the concept of true ‘democracy’. Since I grew up in a communist country I worshipped everything American.
It pains me to see that Chaney and Co. are just a smart version of the Politbureau and thus much more effective.
The only way to battle them is to win Congress and Senate back. There is a desperate need for balance of power and if don’t achieve that, everything I love about the USA will be turned into an empty slogan.
I’m generally pretty good about keeping my tinfoil tightly rolled up and boxed in the kitchen, but I tellya what — after reading Kwiatkowski and Marsh, with Frontline still ringing in my head . . . is there anything those two twisted old men wouldn’t try?
I mean, election schmelection . . .
Fascinating reading, the PBS “Darkside” interviews:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..nterviews/
Yesterday, shakespeares sister linked to very interesting study, “Do Positive Illusions Promote War?” It is an amazing fit for this administration. The WH ego writes checks it can’t cash.
angie, thanks for the clarification—I missed that. How do you watch and read at the same time? (and write.) I am not the best multi-tasker…
lotus 49 -
Cheney has “other priorities” than submitting to transparent democratic rule. He is a traitor.
another concerned American citizen speaks out: Cher opposes the war and supports the troops by agitating for better armor and helmets. She’ll be on Anderson Cooper CNN tonight at 10pm ET.
Something for the chicks too! All 7 Democratic female Senators will be on Larry King tonight at 9pm ET.
Anybody listening to the NPR piece on Hitch? It starts by cataloging his truly heroic intake of booze during the interview (4 double scotches, 3 glasses of Merlot, a pack of smokes), and then plays a clip of him dumping on Mother Teresa.
Classy. Thanks for the balance.
Please excuse that this is OT – I’ve had on ehell of a work day, and this is my first chance to post a coment on the Net Neutrality issue. I sent this email to the Roots Project folks earlier today:
I just got off the phone with Michael Daum, Cantwell’s point person on Net Neutrality. He and I had traded messages for a few days, and he was kind enough to give me ten minutes because they are really scrambling right now on this issue! here’s what he told me:
1) Cantwell is not only supporting the Snowe-Dorgan amendment, she is one of the co-sponsors. (Good!)
2) Ted Stevens is sure he has all the votes needed to pass his bill out of committee. However, he may not end up with more than 12 (the minimum he must have, and the number of Republicans on the committee) And he may end up with only eleven if Snowe votes against, in the event her amendment fails. But Rockefeller has been out of Senate for two months with severe back problems. he just got out of surgery and it’s unlikely he will make it back to committee by tomorrow to vote – in which case an 11-9 vote might be enough for Stevens to pass it out of committee.
3) What Stevens is really banking on is getting 15 votes so that when it goes to the full Senate it has more oomph behind it. BUT – it may not go to a full Senate vote for months. There are lots of other pressing things on the docket, and as we know, the Congress takes more time off from work than they put in anymore, so it’s a guessing game when it goes to the floor. What Stevens may try to do is -with 15 votes in hand – add it to the omnibus appropriations bill coming up soon. He will try and get it in through an end-run. It may work.
4) He can only get more than 12 votes out of committee if Democrats join him. It’s very important for those of you who have vacillating Dem Senators on the committee to call them, fax them, get to them however you can TODAY. We can’t let Stevens get more than his caucus voting in favor. The Dems need to stick together on this, because it’s all about perception (12 votes, 15 votes, 16 votes, etc.)
Bingo, Bobby.
We’re charging a medic with murder? Oy.
Tenet’s Revenge:
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/008009.php
Steve Soto’s on fire today –
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/
But this one is the cat’s pajamas –
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/008010.php
Suskind: Tora Bora Decision Made In Oval Office
The book’s opening anecdote tells of an unnamed CIA briefer who flew to Bush’s Texas ranch during the scary summer of 2001, amid a flurry of reports of a pending al-Qaeda attack, to call the president’s attention personally to the now-famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US.” Bush reportedly heard the briefer out and replied: “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.”
That’s Our Codpiece!!!
OT –
This is the war a PR firm built.
This is how politicians a PR firm built deal with the war a PR firm built.
Armored vehicles? Good intelligence? A mission? A gameplan? Airconditioning that works? Bandages even for gosh sakes?
Nope.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13…../newsweek/
A Hollywood-budget public service announcement aims at discouraging suicide attacks in Iraq and elsewhere
. . . “Don’t Suicide Bomb.” A new, American-made PSA aimed at discouraging these deadly attacks . . .
Coming to a TV (if you have one and have electricity) near you (if you live in Iraq) soon!
*s*
These people have control over the wealth, economy, political power and military resources and personnel of the greatest country in the world.
Advil is the only enterprise that is making its money the good old fashioned free market way.
Taylor #31:
What you’re suggesting certainly adds for me. Given polling trends over the last year or so, plus just what I’m feeling in my own little corner of the zeitgeist, the effects of politics-uber-policy are becoming more noticable even though most people can’t articulate the concept.
World War II history is one of my hobbies, and the more I study it, the more I realize that what saved us as much as anything was that the members of the Nazi government were even more politically venal and self-serving than our own. But Iraq surpasses anything in our history, I think.
Given that the GOP has spent a generation carefully spinning the meta-narrative that brought it to power, I don’t see how they can back down from their Iraqi misadventure now. Not only would it almost surely cause them the loss of their base, but it might well expose them to criminal charges in some cases. To me, it’s the equivalent of the Chicom government “riding the tiger” – holding on for dear life because dismounting means destruction.
Taylor,
I think it’s worth mentioning who Bush just recently nominated to the Public Broadcasting Board, Warren Bell – TV producer and National Review writer. Amanda over at ThinkProgress has the scoop (if you haven’t seen it yet):
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/warren-bell/
Strange coincidence, is it not?
O/T: In other swell news, a looming dry Katrina?
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LONDON (Reuters) – The southern end of the San Andreas fault near Los Angeles, which has been still for more than two centuries, is under immense stress and could produce a massive earthquake at any moment, a scientist said Wednesday.
Yuri Fialko, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at La Jolla, Calif., said that given average annual movement rates in other areas of the fault, there could be enough pent-up energy in the southern end to trigger a cataclysmic jolt of up to 32 feet (10 meters).
“The observed strain rates confirm that the southern section of the San Andreas fault may be approaching the end of the interseismic phase of the earthquake cycle,” he wrote in the journal Nature…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13457472/
No TeeVee here. Does anyone have the link and time for the on-line viewing of The Dark Side? I think someone posted it last night, but that’s a lot of posts ago. TIA
Jusr read this at Nex Hurrah. Encouraging!
From the non-partisan Pew poll:
Americans are now more positive about the way things are going in Iraq than in the past few months, following the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and President Bush’s brief visit to the country. Optimism about the U.S. achieving its goals in Iraq, which sagged in the spring, has rebounded. But this has resulted in only a slight boost [33->36%] in President Bush’s overall approval ratings, and last week’s congressional debate failed to engage the public or improve the GOP’s standing on the issue.
Interestingly, one reason Bush has lost control of the Iraq debate is the better Americans think we’re doing in Iraq, the more they want the troops home. “Stay the course” is a mixed message of status quo that at best increases pressure for change and at worst suggests “stay and bleed”. And the American public doesn’t give a rat’s ass about what the GOP in Congress thinks on this topic. They’re responsible for the mess, and it’s going to take great artistry to get them out the the corner they paint themselves in every day.
Excellent report, shoephone; I suggest posting that elsewhere as well, like MyDD and perhaps a KOS diary if you’re a diarist. These detailed reports on committee workings are extremely important, I think, and I commend you for yours.
We must win this, or all is lost.
(Sorry, Taylor, for the OfT)
Today the 1965 Voting Rights Act Extension was supposed to be voted on in the House. Republican leaders withdrew the bill because of objections from their conservative base, lead by Congressman Lynn Westmoreland (R-GA-8). If you would like to know more about Rep. Westmoreland please go to the blue line below; click on “Videos”; go to “Know The District” and type in the words “Lynn Westmoreland” and then click on the “Know The District” video. You will have to endure a 30-second commercial. It is an interview of Cong. Westmoreland by Stephen Colbert. Put a little fun in your life. Enjoy!
http://www.comedycentral.com/s…..ndex.jhtml
Frank E. Watkins
Press Secretary/Director of Communications
Congressman Jesse L. Jackson, Jr.
weeder– lots of cspan practice! too much, maybe, LOL. Now cooking, too with the volume cranked, so I missed your question.
Thanks, Taylor. Outstanding post. I still think we need to find a way to get this Frontline show seen by people who don’t already know the story. How can we do that, Firepups?
it’s 2 in the morning and the temperature in Baghdad is down to 86ºF —
Here you go, Old Sow:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside
Great post shoephone. If my Sen. are not on the committees – where should efforts go right now? My Senators or the Committee?
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. . .Bush just recently nominated to the Public Broadcasting Board, Warren Bell – TV producer and National Review writer. . .
Was Ben tied up with summer camp?
ha ha! and cooking, too—I am truly out of my league here… *g*
Is there anything that even approaches the recent Frontline piece that focuses on Cunningham and Abramoff?
I’m thinking that all the Dem candidates in tight races (or races that could become tight) need a DVD of the Frontline piece (I’m going to pick up a couple – give $ to Frontline, give info to a Dem candidate – priceless).
Russ Feingold on C-Span2 now (3:05 p.m. PDT), followed by John Kerry, Boxer, and Byrd on the Senate floor re amendment on withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.
Mary at #75:
great idea. i’m going to do the same with my local dem.candidate for congress.
thanx for the tip…
When I went on National Public Radio in June of 2003 and warned that the intel had been cooked and that DOD’s Office of Special Plans was the main kitchen, I was largely ignored. Thanks to Frontline the facts of the story are now out and the truth is harsh.
MisterOpus1 – You’re right. It didn’t happen by accident.
I think the FRONTLINE program should be shouted from the roof tops. If FDL’ers can’t do it who can?
Feingold is kicking serious arse!
So Kwiatkowski is still news, eh? How about a nice helping of Patrick Lang’s Drinking the Kool-Aid, or more Kwiatkowski through the links in this Wikipedia article? Articles like these have been keeping this dragon’s fire stoked for a couple of years now. Sam Gardiner’s “Truth from These Podia” paper, online somewhere, too. I’d say these are among the basic readings, just as last night’s and a few other Frontline documentaries are basic viewing. Helps get the priorities in order.
Larry Johnson #78 – It’s amazing how many were ignored, isn’t it?
As for Feingold, if you’re interested, please see my morning post about Reid sticking it to Kerry & Feingold. It will piss you off.
Larry Johnson!!!
Larry at #78:
Were you surprised that you were ignored? Most people are apolitical and would rather burry their heads in the sand.
“Dark Side” will prove to be a very important film because it’s well done and calmly presented, it avoided cheap tricks and sensationalism. It’s plain good reporting and it give ammunition to all thinking candidates. It will make it harder for people to ingore your comments now. It’s the factual Bible for all of us on this site.
Now, we need to spread the word and recommend it to all our friends and neighbors.
Mary – I would think that the focus today and tomorrow morning should be on committee dems who seem uncommitted. But since it is now 6 pm EST, I don’t know. I remeber from past important votes, the reps offices stay open until later in the evening. The key thing I got from him was about keeping the committee yea votes to no more than 12. But for certain, after tomorrow’s vote comes down we all need to flood the offices of any senators, Dem or gooper, who we might be able to pull to our side. IIRC, M. Daum said the omnibus appropriations bill needs 60 votes on the floor for passage. (I’ll check further on this to make sure it’s correct.) That leaves us some leeway, providing all Dems stick together.
On topic – the one thing that still apalls me from the Frontline piece is the assertion that Tenet had such a fragile ego, he was willing to go against his priciples as an intelligence guy in order to get more power, plus his friendship with Bush, blah blah blah. I just find it hard to swallow that he was adamantly against going into Iraq after 9/11, and then changed horses just to feed his desire for power. Especially when it meant joining forces with Cheney and Rumsfeld, who he despised.
As usual, I apologize for all the mixed mataphors. I really need to work on that…
I did not ignore you, Larry. Thank you for speaking the truth.
Old Sow,65
For those who, like myself, missed Dark Side last night, it will be available online tomorrow (Thursday) at 5 PM, EST.
Announcement here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
Luckily, I just installed my new DSL service just two days ago! Otherwise, forget it.
Larry –
Was Porter Goss appointed DCI for any reason other than turning the Agency into a Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld Rubber Stamp?
Oh, that sounded very egotistical; a lot of my friends and family did not ignore you either! I am just glad you never give up. ;)
How can Colin Powell and George Tenet stay silent about what they know? After what was done to them it is difficult to imagine that at some point they will not write the tell-all book……but I’m sure they’ll hold off at least until after Bush is out of office.
Speaking of Bush, does this documentary also not confirm that it was Darth Cheney and Rumsfeld, and their henchmen who concocted this tragedy, and that jr. is just along for the ride. Tell me these s.o.b.’s are not evil.
I don’t personally believe in hell, but I have never wished more that I be totally wrong about something, for if there is one I have confidence that these assholes are going to burn for all eternity.
John Kerry is speaking in the Senate right now on CSPAN-2 on the Iraq resolution.
Larry Johnson = are you still here ?!?!
This story is beginning to take shape (finally), but I still don’t really understand Powell’s role: facilitator, incompetent boob, henpecked?
Someone above asserted that Rice was placed as NSA advisor because she was weak. What about Powell?
I’m going to try to record the Frontline and drop off some copies as gifts for Evan Bayh’s local office and also my Congresslady Carson who a couple of weeks ago electrified the Democratic State Convention by saying: “putting the blame on Cheney for outting Plame”
I just wish one of these dems would mention Frontline on the floor tonite…
Yeah, the whole “Powell was a team player” thing never washed with me. He destroyed his reputation at the UN, and they put him there precisely because he was the only one with a reputation.
A big hello to Larry Johnson. I’m an admirer.
BobbyG says:
June 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pm
The other shoe is finally going to drop? (Iv’e been expecting this for several years: there hasn’t been any activity to speak of between Devore and Parkfield for at least that long.)
And more on topic: I’d like to suggest Rumsfeld and Cheney, in front of live TV cameras, with FastPenta (if we can get it) or some other restraint-removing drugs. And Mary and others asking pointy questions!
Hi, Larry. Glad you delurked.
Larry et al.,
The Frontline piece depressed me so much. In matters of the personal (bad) taste or sexual indiscretion of Democrats, the media is all over the story. When it is about the life and death of our citizens and those of other countries, hardly a peep. When the future respect for our nation is on the line, the media wants to talk abourt how often Hillary gets laid and spreads the “cut and run” mind-numbing meme as if it were Aristotle making an argument about state craft.
Why is the CIA, Larry, so willing to let the country slide into chaos and failure under these clown’s guidance?
PS I am so impressed — The troll hunters are awsome and fast. Thanks, you umpa-lumpas of FDL!
but I still don’t really understand Powell’s
how ’bout Death’s Cuckhold ?
Rice may be weak, but she tutored W in statecraft while he was governor. Probably, she was brought on board because the neo-cons knew she would embrace the “honest broker” NSA role, and she could communicate with W.
Part of the challenging part of this equation, in my view, had to be getting through to the petulant, vacationing towel-snapper they had at the helm. Having to feed his ego about being in charge must have occupied a great deal of the neocon deliberations and planning.
Larry 78 – The repetition cycle on facts seems to be much slower than on talking points.
We can only hope for a snowball effect – with speed picking up.
Somebody be messing with my mind here.I won’t go into details but I know dang well what it was.
Cheney’s antipathy towards the CIA takes many forms. Has anyone else considered that Cheney was going for a twofer when he directed Scooter Libby to “out” Valerie Plame Wilson? That it was a deliberate and premeditated move? I’ve never seen anyone broach the subject, but it seems quite conceivable to me that Cheney didn’t give a damn what harm the outing would cause this country. His raw hatred over the CIA’s perceived past errors and his obsession with bringing the agency down were all that mattered. To hell with national security. If he could destroy one of its more effective operations and make it appear even more pathetic, so much the better.
Does anyone know if/when the Frontline piece is going to be repeated?
Nice summary. I’m sending my friends info for the Frontline repeat and the how to see it online.
How can anyone watch that show and say with a straight face that Bushco didn’t trump up excuses to drag us into a foolish war?
The only thing I found hard to believe is that Bush supposedly said “is that all you got?” before Tenet’s slam dunk assurance. Sounds like a cover up because it implies Bush isn’t an IQ 65 idiot.
OT: Finally got C-span in realplayer to load but it constantly times out. Darn. Missed Feingold. Kerry was on NPR doing the circumlocution thing. He’s doing it on the Senate floor too.
TddySF – Condi wouldn’t know statecraft if it appeared before her in a mushroom cloud -
please note the clumsy, hamfisted, AND thready clogging that’s been going on out of Bagdad – forget my hatred of all things WH for a moment – she would have to improve a 1000% to be called amateurish in her efforts
maybe what you were sayng was she was in TX to give the idiot a basic primer on foreign relations – but due to her background, if anyone is still stuck in a cold war mindset, it is Condi
Why we’re in Iraq, part 986:
You have soiled yourself, you do not understand the war. The purpose of war is to change the middle east so they don’t fly more planes into our buildings. Please wipe the off your pants and start telling the truth.
I have always liked frontline up until now.
Jerry Farish
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..ndex5.html
Larry Johnson, God bless you.
The first and easiest thing we do (I’ve been doing it today) is spread that Frontline link throughout our address books — and talk, talk, talk about it with everybody you run into who’s short of comatose.
Mary’s 3-pronged idea of supporting Frontline/promulgating the tape is excellent.
Feingold and Durbin are the two best speakers we have — BOY, did they slam it home!
well, there you go, Warner yields to Lieberman.
Larry Johnson #78:
Hope you don’t feel quite as lonely now as you must’ve then!
Bobby G #64:
Thanks for the heads-up. My wife and I have had an actively-managed disaster plan even before Northridge (literally comes with the territory here), but you’d better believe we saw the travesty of NOLA. Just hope things hold off until there’s a new administration that takes FEMA seriously.
I wish the WH would respond to the Frontline episode and its accusations. The issues need to be on somebody’s agenda.
Sisyphus #112 – If we had REAL journalists they’d be asked the question.
About two years ago my local NPR station got an interview with Powell (I believe he was in London at the time for some tete-a-tete with Brit. foreign sec.) and I actually got through on the phone to ask a question. The screener said to me “Please remember to be very respectful of the secretary, no hostility, etc.) He ended up not taking any questions from listeners after all. Other than being disappointed, it was clear the admonition from the screener was an acknowledgement that people were really angry with Powell, and he knew it.
He has a helluva lot to answer for, IMHO.
Sisyphus at 112 –
In light of your suggestion — which all agree with — I feel you chose your name wisely.
cbl — we’re on the same page, I forgot the snarktag on my “statecraft.”
You are absolutely right, having a Sovietologist heading up our foreign policy apparatus (at either NSC or State) is absolutely wrong. But it got the neo-cons what they wanted, so it can’t have been a mistake on their part. And she packed little Governor-W’s head full during her many Schultz-sponsored visits to Austin as he prepared for the Presidency, right?
Good ole Holy Joe : he is opposing both major Democratic proposals to end the Occupation of Iraq …
Here’s the Frontline home link
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
The Cheney piece has a link for local listings that should help with replay times.
It will be online tomorrow (Thur) at 5:00
DVD order info too.
The link to Scripps for BobbyG’s #64:
http://scrippsnews.ucsd.edu/ar…..le_num=736
They’re actually talking about the southern end, from San Bernardino south into Baja. (It’s much more active that Devore to Parkfield.)
Taylor @114 – Exactly!
Ass-holey Joe is so finished. 50%disapproval rating among Democrats (Rasmussen)
shoephone – Lieberman is going too far, even for him.
Hey firepups,
I’ve got a phone call with the future Senator Webb tomorrow. Any requests?
He is already anti-Iraq war and likely equally horrified at the prospect of truly breaking our military if we would hit Iran.
Re net neutrality, bloggers are the ones that got him into the race.
Other?
God Bless Joe Lieberman,
If he didn’t exist, where would Karl Rove be what with Zell retiring and all….
(For the touchy here, that was snark)
Seriously, though, Joe is a gift that keeps giving…
to Ned Lamont!
Kick Joe to the curb in Iraq– any curb. He’s out of the party. It is highly unusual that a rethug would yield to a dem– much less the chairman of the ASC.
throwing up now.
*ilson,
really, how much is Lieberman paying his
handlersconsultants??Wo. Some serious star power on this thread.
PJ #119:
“It could be tomorrow or it could be 10 years or more from now,” said Fialko.
Gotta love the specificity. Still better than Bush’s for Iraq, though.
Larry Johnson says: “Thanks to Frontline the facts of the story are now out and the truth is harsh.”
June 21st, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Larry – what comments would you like to append to what Frontline mentioned last evening?
cbl 126 — MAGNITUDES more than they’re worth.
Delurking for the first time.
I have notified via email everyone I know the link to view last nights Frontline program. Definately must see TV. This outlaw group has got to go!
OT – contacted my senators regarding net neutrality today. Unfortunately, Kat Killer is my senator and I never did get an answer in his office. So I faxed instead. Alexander’s office would be more than happy to send me his stance on the issue, via snail mail. WTF?
Welcome, angrycyclone!
Fristy jes’ wanna make you angrier . . .
Taylor – Leiberman should have to spend “extra” time in temple this weekend. And by the time Yom Kipper rolls around this October, he’ll have so much to atone for, he ain’t never gettin’ OUT of temple.
Lotus: hat tip
angryc, welcome to the jungle! Keep on with postin’, hear?
Sho’ thang, OS.
Welcome, angrycyclone! Good for you for passing the FRONTLINE program link around.
As for net neutrality, it’s so critically important. Well done.
Frontline for many years has been a large
point of light in the dim and often simply
dark American television experience. I believe
Jessica Savitch{sp?}was involved with Frontline
at it’s start.
The bane of single party control in any
government whether it be communist,fascist
or democratic is over reach and weak internal
mechanisms for self correction or reality
checks.
The current state of affairs the United
States Federal government is at points to this
weakness. A GOP Congress has for several years
not performed meaningful checks and balances
against a GOP Executive branch.
Vice President Cheney has flourished within
this weak or pliant congressional state of
being. Post 9/11 the Bush WH was able to beat
it’s drum loudly and compel policy and action
to follow. With books such as R.Suskind’s or
television programs such as Frontline it will
be possible to better assemble a clear overview
of this Bush WH,the role of a Vice President, Defense Secretary D.Rumsfeld and many others.
Congress is part of this story as is the
first tier of American press and news media.
It likely is too late to turn back much of
what Cheney and Rumsfeld have in motion before
the start of 2009 given the lethargic American
political process but nevertheless in time
the story will be there and time is these guys
“long war”. McNamara found that out.
As for the presidency of G.W.Bush it will
be his failure to indeed preside that allowed
people like D.Cheney and D.Rumsfeld to gather
power and influence without any curbing.
G.W.Bush’s greatest failure revolves around
his unsparked lack of curiosity or disinterest
of intellect. The weakness of his ethics and
moral compass on such matters as torture and
the secret prisons or openendedness of same.
Why such a man would want to become the
President of the United States is the deeper
question. He is no Lincoln,FDR or Eisenhower.
oops. That Yom “Kippur”.
I should know better.
Alveenu-malkay-nu…
angrycyclone @ 3:49 pm (#131) – No idea WTF. It’s like that with my two Senators, also. Cantwell’s staff seem happy to talk to you, Murray’s don’t have the time.
Warner gives up time for his never-ending Occupation to Santorum and Lieberman.
Santorum and Lieberman
Just seeing those two names side by side says it all, no?
I wonder what Boxer thinks of Lieberman now?
egregious
- Webb – how about the ‘occupation’ meme ?
im #142:
I wonder what Boxer thinks of Lieberman now?
Aw, it’s just a big high school debate club, and they get to wear seesucker on Fridays, too.
Lieberman actually conflated 9/11 and Iraq. It defies all comment.
al-Scooter
I know it was just a typo, but “seesucker.”
As in, “Seesucker? I have a country in the middle east for you…”
Perfect. worthy indeed of punaise the great.
Let’s be clear about the actual timeline of events.
January 28, 2003: President gives his State of the Union Address which includes the “sixteen words” about Iraq seeking uranium from Africa.
February 05, 2003: Secretary of State gives his presentation to the UN. Powell does not claim that Iraq is seeking uranium. However, he makes other claims about Iraq’s capabilities. An oldy but goody from his presentation is the following assurance:
(BTW, Let’s not fall for the phony revisionist history by Powell that he “sat by” while others in the Bush administration made a bogus case for war. Powell was front and center in that effort.}
March 20, 2003: The United States launches its invasion of Iraq.
May 1, 2003: President Bush lands on USS Abraham Lincoln and gives a speech under a “Mission Accomplished” banner.
May 6, 2003: A Nicolas Kristof New York Times column claims that an anonymous former US ambassador had traveled to Niger for the CIA and debunked the claims that Iraq was seeking uranium there prior to the president’s 2003 State of the Union address.
July 6, 2003: Joe Wilson co-authors a piece in the New York Times that states he went to Niger for the CIA. The CIA sent him to respond to the Vice-President’s questions about documents suggesting Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. Wilson titled his newpaper piece: What I Didn’t Find In Africa.
Just let’s be clear, Joe Wilson did not challenge the president’s sixteen words until well after the Iraq War was underway. Wilson is a hero but it is not true that “…as we prepared to send our troops to die, Wilson walked into the fire.”
omigod: Santorum is flogging the Saddam had WMDs dead horse still … I thought Santorums idea of a WMD was a crossbow and Greek fire!
Get back Joe IS a Republican talking point.
Should we bet whether he says, “Cut and run?”
Thanks for the welcome everyone. Redd, you’re right. The waters fine. I get so frustrated with Alexander because he never will let you know where he stands. And heaven knows, Kat Killer is just a puppet. Never could understand how he made Majority Leader after so little time in office.
btw: Larry Johnson, you’re my hero. Maybe now the sheeple will listen.
Santypants is lying his face off yet again– is he wearing diapers???
While Santorum is woofin’ (tryin’ to), you may enjoy reading about him’s twubbles rather more:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11378.xml
(then to PA, then to June 21, 2006)
*ilson,
that’s not Santorum, that’s Senator Notgonnaworkhereanymore
*ilson46201 @44
Cheney delenda est !
Cheney de melba toast
cMike @147 – I knew we were at war, but Wilson went to Niger the year before the war started, don’t forget. That was accepting an assignment that could have been very dangerous given the crew involved, at least that’s my assessment. That’s my point.
OT: If you followed Leslie in CA’s link to the Sun-Times from earlier, you might be amused to know why the reporter says it’s no secret that Jesse Jackson Jr. and the Shaw brothers have a serious feud.
It dates at least, if not before, to the congressional election of, I believe, 2002, when the Shaw brothers recruited a senior citizen named Jesse L. Jackson to run opposite Junior in the primary. Such a spluttering has seldom been heard in the land, ladies and gentlemen—not that it wasn’t perfectly understandable, mind. Tragic fate intervened, in the form of a death in the older Mr. Jackson’s family which caused him to withdraw, before it got to the pistols at dawn stage toward which it was rapidly headed.
It really pays to drop in on Chicago politics every now and then.
Prior thread, Christy, thanks again for the update on Jane’s Mom.
Larry Johnson,
I am grateful to finally have an opportunity to thank you “in person” (sort of) for the courageous way you stood up and told the truth, about Valerie Plame, about the misuse of intelligence and so much more. Though no longer employed by the government, you are still clearly serving your country.
And thank you for the less public, yet vital work you did for your country and all of us whilst still in government employ.
I’m proud to be on the same thread with you.
TedSanFran
Towel Snapper – thats a good one!
Condi was called in pre-2000 to tutor the towel-snapper.
I read it in “Bush’s Brain” or in Kevin Phillips’ “American Dynasty”. Do you recall finding this tidbit in either of these books?
One does imagine the brain drain of having to stroke the ego of the towel snapping decider.
Ah yes, nice to hear the originality of the war debate especially when the Democrats are up against the “Parrot Party”. Rove says “cut and run” and every Republican dutifully repeats the “cut and run” inanity over and over again until they get a cracker from Flaccid Ass Karl and a pat on the head from Chimpy.
-GSD
SherAn 104,
Yes, it’s been discussed that outing Valerie Wilson paid multiple dividends. If you want establish “democracy” at the point of a gun throughout the Middle East, and Iran is next on the menu, and the CIA is successfully working to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons in Iran . . . well, that could throw a monkey wrench right into your “we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud” lie like you pulled with Iraq.
But, of course, that was just a remarkably convenient coincidence for Cheneyco.
What’s the over/under on how long it will take to debunk Santorum’s wmd “proof?”
egregious says:
June 21st, 2006 at 3:48 pm
Well said.
looseheadprop says
June 21st, 2006 at 4:06 pm
Larry Johnson, what lhp said at 4:06.
Boxer nails the administration wrt to Wilson and Plame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yay!
Gotta go now but so happy I finally jumped in. I will try to post whenever I can.
Yeah, I’m an official firepup!
OT, I think we help Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, everytime we call Iraq a “war.”
It’s an “occupation.”
Way OT, but then I’m always far behind because of time zone differences. But a quick note on the napping. When my daughter refused napping,I told her that she must be growing up. So we had the ritual of an older kid, “Quiet time” – bathroom, a drink, put what she wanted to play with on the bed, and then she could play quietly on her bed. At first, she often fell asleep anyway. But later, she would entertain herself there for 1 to 2 hours (though sometimes singing not so quietly).
Beware though. Six years later, my son spent his quiet time at the window, longing to be outside with the napless one and shouting at passing cars. Didn’t work so well with him.
Prostratedragon: that’s a tried-and-true political trick — finding a person with identical (or similar) name to dilute the vote of the ‘real’ candidate. We had two Bill Smiths on the ballot here on purpose recently…
Sure are, angrycyclone!
I’m also sure that the Republicans did themselves no favors with PBS, and got some good critics as a result.
Presumably the purpose of the second Bill Smith was not precisely the same as that of the first one;)
im #146:
Just my type-o.
Sheldon Whitehouse is polling within 3% points of Linc Chaffee. 43% to 40%.
Thems rotten apples for an incumbent.
-GSD
OT – But I think Lieberman is sealing his fate here in CT. The headline from the Hartford Courant:
Oh man, in a way the Democratic party set him up to fail. :)
OT – but just to get a slight reprieve from the darkness, go over to David Neiwert’s Orcinus. (Clink on link in blogroll), You’ll be glad you did.
Oh, Jeebus! They really are like Darth Vader, Sauron, and Lord Voldemort all rolled into one. Yikes! Hopefully this kind of stuff just keeps coming quickly to the forfront till the tipping point is reached and even the 30% will finally wake up and grab the torches and pitchforks! A little OT… check out Ava’s new animation at http://www.peacetakescourage.com – and I also noticed she has a blog. I encourage everyone to give her some props in the comments section. Let’s let this incredibly talented and passionate young woman know how much we support her!
interesting that Boxer is going with Levin, not Kerry on resolutions …
Byrd up and flying!
“Just let’s be clear, Joe Wilson did not challenge the president’s sixteen words until well after the Iraq War was underway.”
No CMike.
Joe Wilson did not begin to challenge the president’s sixteen words,” in the traditional media “until well after the Iraq War was underway.”
Wilson tried to work behind the scenes before the SOTU.
*ilson– I thought she was the co-sponsor of the Kerry and Feingold amendment and will support the Levin amendment too.
Byrd talks about a continued occupation– yesssssss.
i was scraping plaster in another room, listening to the Frontline piece. as the narrator reeled off cheney’s actions following 9/11, i thought “they’re all but saying that cheney is the real president.”
from last thread: yes, cheney headed up W’s vp-selection committee for the 2000 election. the best spot for the fox’s guard duty is sitting right on top of the henhouse.
does anyone else think that the GOP strategy for 2000 was to put an unelectable cheney in the number 2 spot, and look for a useful idiot? the sort of idiot most americans would like to have a beer with?
and another stupid question: considering that the PNAC agenda was ready to go in 2000, what would cheney and rummy have done in the event of a gore victory? i think it unlikely that they would have just sat on their hands for 4 years.
But, But, But, But, But,911,911,BEEP,911.
Oh HEHlo, Karl. You were saying?
Just playin, I was wondering what Karl’s response to this is going to be.
Byrd, “another amendment”???
Jon Stewart was referring to “President Vice President Cheney” at least 3 years ago.
Think Progress is quick: Santorum: We Found the WMD.
I’ll go see how the “good” news is going over in freeperville.
Oh, busted, we knowed yo’ voice right off.
#177: That is garbage, as far as I can see from reading the memo at Kos. Did you read the memo, which included a threat of lawsuits if press reported what Kos clearly implies are lies? I don’t know about Kos, but Digby protege Hamsher and Democratic consulants? Very doubtful.
oh, BustedKnuckles – now you behave!
linky, linkym who’s got a linky
can anyone come up with a link showing how they voted to go to Iraq ?
mine was lost in one of our many viral purges
What’s the over/under on how long it will take to debunk Santorum’s wmd “proof?”
******************
4:39 PDT on the Wolfman and Smilin’ Jack Show. That didn’t take long.
CNN’s Ensor just reported that Duelfer says the WMD were pre-Gulf War weapons that have lost their effectiveness.
JWR,
Iraq’s WMD were very dangerous, but now defunct, like the WMD in Texas (Barbara Bush’s uterus).
Byrd: return the power to declare war to the Congress!!!!!!!!
dopey-o,
They would do what they actually did in the event of a Gore victory.
It was never a Bush administration!
It has always been the Cheney administration!
Name one single policy/decision/action of real importance that they’ve allowed the Boy-King to make on his own!
The Cheney administration allows the
dummy“Decider” to move his lips in front of the cameras, but all matters of any import are “owned” by Darth and his minions from the Dark Side that he has selected and placed throughout the government.2002 Iraq War vote http://usliberals.about.com/od…..ayVote.htm
a brilliant Billmon graphic on puppetry http://billmon.org/archives/002475.html
Byrd’s amendment is brilliant and can restore our Constitution and make these yahoos work for us!
*ilson – thanks so much !
angie, that man defines STEMWINDER.
Actual freeper quote wrt Santorum’s revelation:
“The reason any WMD’s in Iraq would be kept secret would be to keep Al Queda from digging around looking for it before we could find it.”
My brain hurts.
Mad Dogs,
I don’t think joonyah really wanted to be POTUS (at least not as much as baseball commissioner, and if Bud Selig can do it, how hard can it be?)
He got manipulated into it to outdo the old man at biggus dickus. Then all they had to do was get joonyah to ask chainy to find him a veep. And where does chainy look, but in the mirror (cracked and covered with cobwebs, but still a mirror).
lotus– yes ma’am, he surely does.
JWR,
given that unscom and img had detailed documentation on MOUNTAINS of conventional explosives, including specialized high explosives that have nuclear applications, which we let god knows who cart off as fast as they could load their toyota pickups, my head wants to explode…
new thread — new book
In February of 2003, before the invasion, Joseph Wilson went on NOW with Bill Moyers. The whole interview is well worth reading – he hits Richard Perle and the 1990s Likud-authored “Clean Break” document, the fact that we’d taken our eye off Al Qaeda where it belonged, and lots of good details on just how disastrous our adventure in Iraq was likely to be. A few very brief excerpts:
So he didn’t come right out and call Bush a liar, but he did try, diplomatically, as it were, to throw some cold water on the reasons being given for the war before it began.
knuckledragger – I would offer a coherent response, but my head already did explode.
knuckledragger,
Yup, Darth ran (and continues to run) the show! Junior is just the
puppetfront man.A no-talent, room-temperature IQ, not-so-reformed drunk and never-grew-up frat-boy whose child-like imagination has him starring in a 1950’s cowboy movie as the tough-talkin’, hard-drinkin’, never-miss, always gets the girl, Ringo!
And Darth, like the stealthy great white shark beneath-the-surface that he is, just keeps on maulin’ the Congress, the Courts, the Constitution, and the Country ’cause that’s all that sharks do!
Terrific post!
Just catching up after a busy day offline – but skimming through the comments it occurred to me that Frontline might well be persuaded to release the film for theater distribution.
Here on the Monterey peninsula, despite a fancy new movie multiplex, we belatedly (but better late than never) can see “An Inconvienent Truth” on screen at the small, independent Osio Theater…and we hear it is selling out each screening, late morning to late night.
Our area is rich in undergraduate and graduate schools including the USA Defense Language Institute and Navy Postgraduate School – both campuses are in Monterey, as well as the private Monterey Institute of International Studies who boast an impressive number of students from Asia, the Middle East and Europe.
Think I will contact Frontline somehow and encourage them to release the film in theatres, for whatever it may be worth. What say you fellow Firepups – think its worth a little effort?
OT – lotus dear – tucked in an extra copy of DDD and USPS promisesd arrival by Saturday.
Anne Holliday,
WRT to getting this into theaters, please do go for it! And I suppose having it shown to all young’uns in school as part of a Civic’s class is asking too much?
And I’d also like to say how lovely your Monterey peninsula is! Would love to live there myself! Got any spare room *g*?
Frontline’s report on Cheney is the tip of his dark side.
And Wilkerson is so proud of the fact that he took out of his desk drawer every day his resignation, which he had “typed himself,” in protest of the Cabal’s policies. But then he put the resignation back in the drawer and repeated the act every day. How courageous and patriotic. Much like his former boss and the other “team players” who were protecting their positions while their silence enabled the neocons’ take-over of their country.
Hey, Anne H, hon! Ooo, I know just who’s first and second on the list for that extra copy, but will hafta toss a coin for the order (my bro or my best reporter pal?). You’re too gracious!
Now run on upstairs and see who’s coming to see us in July!
Don’t know what exhibition lead times would be like, but a lot of the bigger college towns will be having summer festivals soon where it might be easy to get a good audience. Perhaps even better would be a college town tour in late August or early September…
George Tenet’s Tee-Shirt:
I sold my integrity and my soul, and all I got was the Medal of Freedom.
…PlanoTex : the towel snapping??? Was from an article in Vanity Fair some time before Bush won – rather stole – the election and it was a profile on his mummy, Barbra…she is the queen of towel snappers and used the towel frequently on the kids at the beach and pool in between using the stick which apparantly was used plenty on her by her mummy…if you REALLY want to know who Bush the Chimp is…read this article on his mum…everything is right there…
GSD says:
June 21st, 2006 at 4:27 pm
Sheldon Whitehouse is polling within 3% points of Linc Chaffee. 43% to 40%.
Thems rotten apples for an incumbent.
-GSD
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Kiss of death is more like it. Anything under 50% means you should start putting the finishing touches on your resume.
Anne nails another one! (GEE, you do that a lot.)
Some pix of our fearless leader, Georgie porgieto:
http://articles.news.aol.com/n…..1409990022
John Casper (@ 180) I enjoy hagiography as much as the next guy but in what way did Joe Wilson “challenge” the president’s sixteen words “before the SOTU” or before the March 20, 2003 United States invasion.
In early 2002 he performed a mission for the CIA and reported that it was unlikely, if not impossible, for the Iraqis to acquire quantities of yellowcake from Niger. Taylor Marsh @147 says that trip to Niger was what she was referring to when she says “Wilson walked into the fire.” I think going to a third world country to gather information without compensation is a patriotic thing to do but not really heroic. As far as I know that was the end of the matter for Wilson until after the 2003 State of the Union address.
Without Wilson’s involvement the CIA, in October 2002, successfully prevailed upon the White House to remove a uranium claim from a presidential speech. What did Wilson do to “challenge” the president’s claim behind the scenes between January 28 and March 20 of 2003?
After the president made the uranium claim in the 2003 SOTU Wilson said he wondered if the reference to Africa was a reference to Niger?
I know in the run up to the war Wilson argued against the soundness of the neo con assumptions that were leading to war. Leslie in CA @211 provides an illustrative link.
However, what made Wilson a singular figure was his claim in the May 2003 Kristof article that the administration had, to borrow a phrase, “cooked the intelligence.” At that point Wilson was courageously and uniquely taking on the administration. At the end of May the BBC made the claim that the Blair administration had “sexed up” their intelligence. That report was based on the claims of the ill-fated David Kelly.
Did anyone read Marc Ash’s post at Truthout? Very interesting explanation for Jason Leopold’s piece “sealed vs sealed”. They are not backing down over at truthout on the Rove indictment. Their sources still insist it is true, that Rove was read the indictment and has agreed to squeal about Cheney to Fitz in exchange for keeping the indictment sealed.
#123…
When you speak to Mr. Webb, see if he saw
the Dark Side and maybe he can incorporate it
into some of his releases or promote it for others
to watch…worth a shot!!
It still amazes me that men insist on dick-swinging pissing contests when the fate of the WORLD hangs in the balance. We all have ego’s but at some point you have to get off it when its a matter of life and death. Sheesh.
motherlowman at 198:
“They would do what they actually did in the event of a Gore victory.”
well of course! (slaps forehead)….
suppose scalia and thomas were sick the day the supremes gave the election to W? with cheney and rummy sitting on the sidelines, how would they get their war on? another round of impeachment? impeach gore, then impeach leiberman, then president hastert steps up to the plate?
would another country’s intel service (cough… italy ….cough) gin up some proof? could a friendly mideastern nation, say a small democracy, could they manipulate iraq into attacking them, then bring america into the fight? just how can you start a war when you don’t have the presidency?
And who paid for the Mission Accomplished banner, and how did it get on the ship? A mis-appropriation of funds? Government money or campaign money?
I feel very strongly that there is a nexus between PNAC and AQ and that it will eventually come out in the open. It is a marriage of convenience and the objective is maximum war profiteering and looting of the treasury. I’m just sayin’…………
…well… this is the end, my only friend, the end…
seriously, you all gone to bed or jes takin’ the night off?… Guess I’ll go read my Genghis Khan book in between wacking mosquitos with a swatter…hotter’n Hades here…
Bush is not stupid, he graduated from Yale & Harvard, plus he has God giving him direction, how could he be wrong with God backing him?
Cheney is good for business, the cold war lasted about 40 years, how long will the war on terror last??
When will the USA good guys (backed by innocent civilians) kill the last terrorist???
Cheney’s view of the presidency is clearly that it is a spokesman’s office, to be manipulated by the real power behind and unseen…. Cheney in this case. It started when he appointed himself v.p. As for losing Bin Laden… these guys need Bin Laden. They needed him for 9/11, they need him now. Cheney’s view, and Rumsfeld’s, is that a democracy is a naive illusion, since it would be run by emotion-driven, ignorant, soft citizens who could care less about the long range big picture–that the US needs to control the planet to maintain it’s incredible standard of living. They tell us this is there view whenever we ask. That’s what Rummy’s solution to all questions amounts to–there will always be disagreement and argument (i.e., democracy), therefore it’s all irrelevant, just white noise to be manipulated or otherwise played. And yes, thank gawd we still have PBS, although I thought the Dark Side puts too much emphasis on Tenent’s weakness.
Re: Cheney was down on the CIA because they missed the collapse of the Soviet Union —
I always thought it was the other way around, that it was the hardliners in the Ford and later in the Reagan admistrations got it wrong.
What way was it, or do we know for sure? Was the CIA pressured back in those days too?
The question is: who’s behind Cheney?
Why is it poor old Tenent?, he sold out. or is he in on it?
The CIA director job is short term so a person with integrity wouldn’t have allowed bad old VP guy & scooter to visit and review/check the NIE before it was finished/final.
Tenent had no options or power, a person of integrity would have resigned and not for personal reasons.
I had a lot of respect for Mr. Powell but a good soldier (or Sec. Of State) keeps marching instead of resigning. When Mr. Powell did not resign he lost all my respect, he is no better than the rest of them.
I spent 20 plus years in the corporate world, integrity held me back, so I have walked the talk. I heard the subtle and not so subtle from the higher ups in every company I worked for.
Good question…. who is behind Cheney? Any connection to who is behind Kerry? with the videos of a young guy in Vietnam and gets to talk to the political leaders with his vast experience.