Steve Benen of the Carpetbagger Report has an interesting piece in the latest issue of The Washington Monthly, noting that three of the top potential Republican candidates are admitted adulterers.
Until relatively recently, a self-confessed adulterer had never sought the presidency. Certainly, other candidates have been dogged by sex scandals. In the 1828 presidential election, John Quincy Adams questioned whether Andrew Jackson’s wife was legitimately divorced from her first husband before she married Old Hickory. Grover Cleveland, who was single, fathered a child out of wedlock, a fact that sparked national headlines during the 1884 election (though he managed to win anyway). There have been presidential candidates who had affairs that the press decided not to write about, like Wendell Wilkie, FDR, and John F. Kennedy. And there have been candidates whose infidelities have been uncovered during the course of a campaign: Gary Hart’s indiscretions ultimately derailed his 1988 bid, and in 1992, during the course of his campaign, Bill Clinton was forced to make the euphemistic admission that he "caused pain" in his marriage.
But it wasn’t until 2000 that McCain, possibly emboldened by Clinton’s survival of his scandals, became the first confessed adulterer to have the nerve to run. Now, just a few years after infidelity was considered a dealbreaker for a presidential candidate, the party that presents itself as the arbiter of virtue may field an unprecedented two-timing trifecta. McCain was still married and living with his wife in 1979 while, according to The New York Times’ Nicholas Kristof, "aggressively courting a 25-year-old woman who was as beautiful as she was rich." McCain divorced his wife, who had raised their three children while he was imprisoned in Vietnam, then launched his political career with his new wife’s family money. In 2000, McCain managed to deflect media questioning about his first marriage with a deft admission of responsibility for its failure.
It’s possible that the age of the offense and McCain’s charmed relationship with the press will pull him through again, but Giuliani and Gingrich may face a more difficult challenge. Both conducted well-documented affairs in the last decade–while still in public office. Giuliani informed his second wife, Donna Hanover, of his intention to seek a separation in a 2000 press conference. The announcement was precipitated by a tabloid frenzy after Giuliani marched with his then-mistress, Judith Nathan, in New York’s St. Patrick’s Day parade, an acknowledgement of infidelity so audacious that Daily News columnist Jim Dwyer compared it with "groping in the window at Macy’s." In the acrid divorce proceedings that followed, Hanover accused Giuliani of serial adultery, alleging that Nathan was just the latest in a string of mistresses, following an affair the mayor had had with his former communications director.
But the most notorious of them all is undoubtedly Gingrich, who ran for Congress in 1978 on the slogan, "Let Our Family Represent Your Family." (He was reportedly cheating on his first wife at the time). In 1995, an alleged mistress from that period, Anne Manning, told Vanity Fair’s Gail Sheehy: "We had oral sex. He prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, ‘I never slept with her.’" Gingrich obtained his first divorce in 1981, after forcing his wife, who had helped put him through graduate school, to haggle over the terms while in the hospital, as she recovered from uterine cancer surgery. In 1999, he was disgraced again, having been caught in an affair with a 33-year-old congressional aide while spearheading the impeachment proceedings against President Clinton
Benen wonders, in light of the recent page one above the fold NT Times’ dishy speculation about the Clintons’ sex lives, whether the press will follow up when the Republican primaries begin in earnest. I frankly doubt it. The CW seems to be that Clinton rules only apply to Democrats. Republicans are allowed to hypocrites because, well… just because. But there is one little fly in the ointment for the GOP, whether Modo and Lil’ Russ apply certain standards to their moral behavior or not:
But if GOP operatives dangle the infidelity bait, and the press fails to bite, its importance to Christian conservatives won’t be so easy to ignore. Since the press awoke to the phenomenon of evangelicals in 2000 and so-called "values voters" in 2004, reporters have become fond of gaming out every possible permutation of evangelicals’ political concerns. Evangelicals’ attitudes towards the marital problems of McCain, Giuliani and Gingrich might actually deserve such an inquiry. In 2000, for example, James Dobson issued a personal press release specifically to "clarify his lack of support for Senator McCain." "The Senator is being touted by the media as a man of principle, yet he was involved with other women while married to his first wife," Dobson said.
These remarks received little attention in 2000, possibly because reporters hadn’t yet grasped the extent of Dobson’s influence, but Carrie Gordon Earll, a spokesperson for Dobson’s Focus on the Family, recently made it clear that the adultery issue hasn’t lost any of its toxicity among evangelicals. "If you have a politician, an elected official, and they can’t be trusted in their own marriage, how can I trust them with the budget? How can I trust them with national security?" she asked me. Although Earll was reluctant to discuss specific politicians, she noted that a candidate who "had an affair and then moved on and restored that marriage" might find forgiveness with Christian conservatives, but someone "who had an affair and then left his wife" would not.
Now, I find that interesting, don’t you? There is only one politician among all the adulterous sinners of ’08 who could possibly meet Dobson’s criteria for forgiveness: Bill Clinton. I think we can all feel fairly confident that the religious right will not embrace a Hillary candidacy anyway. But I happen to think that McCain is the most formidable challenge to the Democrats in 2008. He’s the guy Junior pretended to be — and the maverick-who-has-always-been-his-own-man the Republicans would love to be able to throw up there as big Daddy who’s gonna fix everything. If he can get past James Dobson he’s going to be tough to beat, I think.
How can the religious right come to terms with this? (I ask that only rhetorically. We know that they are hypocrites coming and going.) But this could be a successful wedge issue that forces the religious right to either cop to their true permissiveness on an issue they use as a cudgel to beat liberals over the head, namely the sanctity of marriage. Or it will expose them as the rigid, unrealistic tight-asses they really are, and perhaps brand the GOP further as the party of … unrealistic tight-asses. It’s worth thinking about a little bit.
Benen’s article also mentions that if the press decides to run its usual double standard that bloggers are prepared to take up the slack. I think I can speak for everyone here tonight when I say, "damn right." I have never been as appalled in my life as when the Republicans and the DC media establishment freakshow decidedduring the lewinsky scandal to hold a national hen party on what constituted a proper marriage. It was the most unctuous, hypocritical, sanctimonious display of phony piety I have ever had the misfortune to witness. These high powered celebrities all wringing their delicate hands over sexual indiscretions as if all of them hadn’t been witness to or participants in countless examples of marital foibles and error. Yet, they all pretended to be pure as novitiates, delicate and easily startled by the notion that marriage, particularly long term modern marriage, is a little bit more complicated than a romance novel plot line.
Indeed, if I didn’t know better, I would have assumed that the Republican party, the religious right and the DC press corps were conspiring to destroy the institution of marriage within their lifetimes. Gay people wanting to participate isn’t the problem; they are buying into the great old creaky thing, strengthening it for all. What threatens it is this idea that strangers can intrude on this most deep, complex and intimate of relationships and shine a harsh spotlight on all the things we do to keep it going over years of compromise, adjustment, excitmement, boredom and love — and then cast judgment on our choices. If you want to destroy marriage, force everyone to submit to James Dobson, Chris Matthews and Cokie Roberts sitting at the end of their beds running a scorecard on whether their union is acceptable.
I’m against delving into people’s private lives. In fact, it makes me sick. But, when we start to see this happen (and I think the New York Times and the Washington Post have made it quite clear that they are going to fall right back into Clinton rules the minute they get the chance) we are going to have to fight back. If they are going to use it against Democrats, the adulterous sinners of the GOP are going to get a taste of this medicine and see how much they like it. The three amigos seem ripe for the picking to me.



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Rootz! Welcome, Digby! Always a pleasure.
Hi Digby and thanks for this post. It is time to point out their sham morality and if we have to delve into their gutter, so be it!
Oh, and Fitz!
Gay marriage is ruining the sanctity of marriage, not something as petty as adultery. [/sarcasm]
For all the preaching about moral standards it’s a pretty hypocritical run. Personally, I couldn’t care less. However, if your party wants to call out politicians on this junk, then you should be ready for it to be called out on yourself.
Earll’s comment is interesting, showing hints of an actual sincere interpretation of the concept of forgiveness. I wonder how much that figures into the much-noted tendency of the religious right to accept tearful confessions from leaders for acts they righteously condemn in others, and how much is due to obedience to authority figures, which I had always tended to assume was the main cause.
Your usual, sir. Great writing, better thinking. Thanks for dropping by.
Previous post LindaR: That ‘cut and run’ business is the Republican smear talking point. Democrats want to start cleaning up the Bush Administration’s mess in Iraq before one more soldier dies. Republicans are more concerned with saving face than saving lives.
Ding ding ding: I think we have a winner.
I think the key is pinning the adultery tale on the Newt. If he makes it to a primary season and get’s that pin stuck in him, he’ll make sure that Guiliani and McCain get pricked.
If they all have to then blow the right to get their votes, that middle ground will get pretty wide.
repug marital motto:
switch ’til you both FITZ!
(all due apologies proffered…)
take no prigsoners, Digby
add George and Condi to the list
They’ll all just get re-birthed and saved once again by the blood of the lamb. It’s only Democratic heathens who will burn in hell forever.
You could drive a truck through those fundamentalist loopholes. But if all three of the GOP candidates are notorious skirt chasers, it could hurt them with the married women the GOP is trying to court. A bunch of white men probably don’t care if they have uncontrollable zipper issues, but I’m going to imagine this is not something that will sit well with wingnut women. If Dems make the kind of GOTV effort with women that they should, it could be a nice wedge and maybe mean some significant pickups.
I know I know, big “if.”
Great post, Digby. Thanks much.
Three adulterers and a kitty-killer. Can’t wait for the primary debates.
McCain will never be the nominee unless he fakes some “born again” awakening. He’s just not right-wing enough. He’s also too old, and–even worse–he LOOKS too old. He had his chance to change the world in 2004, when Kerry asked him to be his running mate. I think he’s going to go down in history as one of the country’s most tragic could’ve-beens. Instead, we got eight years of George W Bush.
Oh, goodie; I love dish. What a horrible, horrible person I am.
canucklehead 7
I think the key is pinning the adultery tale on the Newt…. he’ll make sure that Guiliani and McCain get pricked.
they’re pricks, alright
Mary says
June 20th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
add George and Condi to the list
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We’ve gone from Madsen to “The Globe”. I’m starting to wonder if there may be something there. When’s the last time we’ve even SEEN Laura?
Great post. The cat and I are smiling smugly. Heh.
When Adultery is given the same respect as marriage, Right Wing Xtain Ministers will have to acknowledge their mistresses — and maybe even marry them.
Same reason Lil’ Ricky gets the vapors thinking about man-on-dog marriage. I mean, what would happen if the love that dare not bark it’s name were legalized? Lil’ Ricky might have to marry his Schnauser . . .
And we musn’t forget the tsking moral media meglomaniacal Long Island Loofah phone sex enthusiast hisself. Particularly disturbing was when he was foisting his jolly hobby upon a paid underling while in Italy waiting for an audience with the Pope, bragging about banging all of the hot italian chicks, while his pregnant wife sat at home. Who is looking out for you?
Republicans across the country have been falling over themselves trying to pass constitutional amendments to “save” and “preserve” marriage by prohibiting couples of the same sex to engage in it. How can they possibly nominate one of these clowns who have in fact damaged and destroyed actual, specific marriages (those involving themselves) through adultery and divorce?
How can they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings and still nominate a candidate who has clearly violated the one against adultery?
It will be interesting to see how much stock these “values” voters actually place in their professed values.
OT, egregious at 6: I missed out on the earlier discussion, so this may have already been covered, but responding to “cut and run” or “the Dems have no plan” is a trap, to let them pick apart our proposals instead of defending their incompetence. They’ve been in charge through all of this, ask what their plan is. They don’t have one, just slogans.
Or as I put it this afternoon on Kos –
The Republicans say little more than “stay the course — anyone who doesn’t agree is a coward.” We should say little more than “we need to change course — anyone who doesn’t agree is an idiot.”
Zipper issues!! I like that one.
Michael Berg (Nick bergs dad) is running for congress. I read an interview with him on American prospect. He talks about, as a candidate, he had to sign a pledge saying he would not end the war.
Hu? Anyone know if the dems are really doing this?
http://www.prospect.org/web/pa…..leId=11672
ofg, well said: disturbingly and well done. Holy cr@p!
I can’t wait to hear Ol’ Straight Talk Express talk circles around himself on this one.
Hello, Jane! This is one “white man” who frowns on pelt collectors, especially if they are married. Digby is right, if his wife puts up with it, then it’s there business. The hypocracy is where I have the problem, and I hope we do fill the void if their are dual standards.
Repugs are the ones who hate privacy. So let’s drag this ugliness out into the light of day!
Rats. I forgot that WordPress does not like copy-and-paste punctuation.
Redshift and egregious–I just finished reading the earlier thread on cut and run, stay and pay, lie and die. Why not just accuse the Republicans, a la Rove, of the very same thing: cut and run. On Iraq: Cut the facts and run from the truth; On economy: cut taxes and run from the workers of America. And on and on for every issue.
tonightly blog whoring:
skippy sez goodbye to dan rather:
what’s the frequency, skippy?
Did you get that email Jane? I’m still not sure how all of this “innernex” stuff works. Are you part of my googlegroup?
oilfieldguy 24 — nothing against white men, I kind of like them myself. I just imagine that when it comes to truly taking umbrage, GOP men are going to be somewhat less sincere than GOP women — who are likely to be INCREDIBLY sincere about their dislike of cheatin’ men. The way Giulliani handled his divorce? I just don’t think it’s going to play well with the wingnut belles.
oilfieldguy 29 — I just sent you an email on that group.
Hey, Digby. So nice to have you here.
Hi Jane. I hope your mom continues to show improvement and that you are holding up OK.
ofg: you just lost me: ‘pelt’ is obscene in my book, even on roving medications for pain and muscle weakness. Just ain’t done.
god bless, jane. meanwhile digby, boy oh boy, you sure pour a mean shot. thanks for being at the helm.
or behind the bar, as it were……
Sorry to offend you marily. I find it offensive too, the objectifying of women and the reduction of them to “notches on the bedpost.”
Jane: I appreciate the modifier–”GOP” white men.
Responded to the email–I’m in LaFayette, LA. Should be back in OKC friday.
The Republicans best hope is a non-starter. Mitt Romney, who never had a mistress that is known, is the go to guy. But, he’ll lose because winger-Christians think Mormons are a cult and they will not vote for him.
Too bad.
By the way. $100.00 to the first Democrat to use the picture of Giuliani in drag in a campaign spot.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/f…../75055550/
-GSD
I must be more careful in my word choice. I am indelicate and ungentle.
GSD:
Well, which is it: Is Giuliani a male heterosexual womanizer, or a drag queen?
Must bite tongue
Great post, Digby, and thank you.
I hope our team is clean on this if we plan to use it against these nasty men trying to tell others how to live their lives and who to love therein.
Makes one long for that too-long kiss at the 2000 convention between Tipper and Al, doesn’t it?
#40.
Apparently both.
-GSD
How about a music break? Go and give this song a listen and then wonder what might have happened if we owned the radio and TV stations….
Maggie Terrie and Suzzy Roche.
http://www.kurtzman.com/I Gave My Love a Kerry.mp3
I could be wrong, but I’m actually more worried about Romney……
Question: Is America vulnerable to a religiously inspired extremist demagogue?
Just ponder for a moment the success of Karl Rove in creating a cult of personality around dubya. Now think of what he could do with someone who could actually string two coherent sentences together, add in a history that hints at moderation and Hollywood style good looks, and I believe you have Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. The only thing that prevents him being annointed the next great leader by the rethuglican neocons is his Mormon background. They are still not quite certain that the Bible belters will accept his “crazy religion” but I’m convinced they don’t want McCain bad enough that they’ll turn to the best alternative, and that has to be Romney.
Why do I think he is particularly dangerous. It is not just because of his religious beliefs. I don’t know how devout a Mormon he is but if you’ve ever read any of the Book of Mormon you really have to wonder what he would be willing to do……… It has more to do with my general mistrust of the republican movement toward a theocracy, something that I have a sneaking suspicion that Romney would be willing to support even if he doesn’t believe in it, which he might. I really have nothing to base this attitude about Romney on. He may be a wonderful guy who really has the best interest of America in mind. Nah!
The ability of the rethuglicans to enforce party discipline and unify behind their “conservative” message will be a threat in 2008 no matter who the candidate is, but the one that scares me the most is Romney. I honestly don’t think our democratic system can survive another 4-8 years of republican rule without permanent damage to the separation of powers, not to mention how entrenched the conservatives will be in the judiciary. Somehow Romney makes me think of a TV character on a USA program called The Dead Zone. The lead character who can see the future, is trying to prevent a charismatic congressman from becoming president because he has a vision that the election of this congressman will bring on Armegeddon. I’m not saying that’s what the election of Romney would do but with the way things are going for the US and the world in general, well it just makes me wonder………
Puuuuuust Try this: http://www.kurtzman.com/I Gave My Love a Kerry.mp3
Oh, also, we need to get this thought out there:
McCain is too old to run for President.
Over and over. I’ve seen it a coupla times just today in blogtopia: it’s good, true, and needs saying.
Over and over.
McCain’s too old to run for President.
Teddy,
My take on this is they won’t be able to use the “family values” as a blunt instrument, which is code for…well you know. It will be a “let he who cast the first stone” campaign
Jane 30: true, and so many don’t get that. And it’s on the table now.
And don’t forget those who marry and have NO children — (example, the Doles). Isn’t this why gays can’t get married? I have heard people bring this up and the fundies always say it is “beside the point.” Huh? It is EXACTLY the point. If marriage is totally for procreation, then put out those kids. And when you want no more, or can’t have them — time for divorce. That’s what THEY say, not me.
MAKE them answer, too. God! I wish they could get people on TV who would ask these questions and MAKE the liars answer before they could yap on further. Anyone for a really rich person creating a new CNN?
ot sort of & fyi…cspan2 ykos blogger ethics panel on now.
badick 10:15 p.m.
If Romney is so scary, why did Massachusetts–the state that brings us Senators Kennedy and Kerry–elect him governor? I’m not arguing with you, just puzzled.
My main problem with Romney is that susceptibility to brainwashing runs in his family…
Christy happens to be the only woman on this panel. She is absolutely radiant, even on the tele.
You know, I just thought of someone really rich who I THINK is a Democrat — Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks. (He is worth over a billion dollars.) I heard he is going to give Dan Rather a radio or TV job — I don’t know how though. Plus, he is going to do a “tell the truth” gig about investors who cheat.
Does anyone know about this guy? If so, and if what I suspect is not true, don’t tell me. LOL
Lots of fun WaPoO Chats tomorrow:
11am eastern: Charles Babington (Politics)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01577.html
11 am eastern PBS Frontline “Dark Side” producer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01204.html
Noon eastern Larry Roberts, deputy managing editor, Investigations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00656.html
Froomkin at 1pm eastern!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00936.html
Questions may be submitted in advance (and in my experience, early submissions are likely to be selected!)
I may be missing something here, but I just don’t buy the idea of a Republican Theocracy. The only God the corporatist that are financing the whole thing is wealth and power. They merely use religion to get votes like we use a station wagon to get groceries. They don’t care about abortion. If forced abortions are needed by juvenile sex slaves and sweatshop workers in Saipan–then they are in favor of them. Maximize profits and let the good times roll. I may be blind, but I see religion as a tool, not the goal.
Oilfieldguy 10:26 p.m.
That is a good insight. How can we get the genuinely religious people, whom people like Rove, Abramaff and Reed exploit for votes, see that they are being duped? Or would it make any difference to them?
“to” see that they are being duped
The Three Amigos just happen to be one of my favorite comedy movies of all time. Now as I look at my DVD case with the very same picture, all I will be able to think of is, McCain, Gingrich and Giuliani. Thanks for that lasting visual.
neurophius
I’ve given alot of thought to that and the short answer is we can’t. It is up to the church to cast out it’s own demons. While we can and should expose these trampy little Jesus pimps, we have to be careful, lest we be cast as Godless Liberals…oh, wait, too late Ann Coulter already has. But you see what I mean. This is not a fruitful pond for dems to fish…the best we can hope for is for the fundies to get disgusted with the Republicans and not vote. I seriously doubt we’ll make any significant inroads into the church very soon. Our best pond is the half of America who don’t vote. These people, IMHO are struggling day-by-day, politics are a low priority when you are barely getting by. This is our market.
Nuero & OFG, yep. Gotta wedge and demoralize ‘em. Unfortunate, but that’s politics circa 2006.
So let’s suppose that the “values” Republican voters rebel against the rampant adultery among their party’s presidential candidates. Whom are they going to turn to? Who really measures up to their standards?
They make me so sick I have to go to bed.
Let me qualify that. Assume also that the Protestant fundamentalists among them also are too uncomfortable with Romney’s Mormonism to support him.
neuro 62. the important part is to keep them fighting amongst themselves. as long as they don’t coalesce, a plurality won’t emerge.
I just saw myself in the YKos audience on CSPAN-2. What a thrill.
Christy’s on at YKos now.
I think anyway.
Seems like breaking up your opponents coalitions is every bit as important as building your own.
Cool. Were you that person with the hair?
It would be either a Republican, or a vote-splitting protest vote to a third candidate or stay home. I believe the Republicans have sufficiently poisoned the well for dems to benefit from “white churches.” We are the party of homos, darkies, welfare and women libbers. There are no “real Honest to goodness Americans” in the Democratic party.
Before you get riled at me Digby, this is merely my belief of the whispering campaign conducted amongst “respectable folks.” I don’t know if anyone agrees with this or not.
Red hair and beard…but I don’t know if it is “the” hair…I thought that belonged to Byron York.
Remember, the Republicans and the ‘Moral Majority’ brought the first divorcee, Ronald Reagan, to the White House!
neurophius 10:43 – In my state Gov. Mike Huckabee sqeeky clean I think, or Asa Hutchison. Rep. candidate for Gov. ‘06 my worst kind of fear.
I think our 2008 Democratic contenders must be urged by their supporters to go after their potential GOP opponents — all of them. It would be so refreshing to see a Democratic presidential primary and caucus season dominated by attacks on Republicans! They present such a wide panoply of Bush-enablers, crazy religionists, and kitty-killers, we could fill all of 2008 just mocking them, while we took time out to examine our possible nominees.
Is it too much to hope that our contest might be hard-fought but civil, amongst ourselves?
Listening to Phoenix Air America while driving up to Yearlykos, the usual wingnut calls in and is raving (the kind of person that makes you yell at your radio) and says “I will never vote for THAT maggot McCain again!”
The guy ranted and raved about McCain kissing up to the Theocrats and BushCo. McCain is killing his base in Arizona…. when THEY can see through the myth of McCain Maverick then there is hope.
Now if we can get a some Democrats see it too!
I really like that phrase…. Maggot McCain…
Hope, yes, it’s disgusting, and shocking and horrible. And we need to change that. Our Congress should not be a hotbed of unacceptable behavior. We get to vote, and they need to be out: now.
Wow!
Harold Meyerson rips Rape Gurney Joe a new one in tomorrow’s Washington Post!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01439.html
neurophius #40:
Well, which is it: Is Giuliani a male heterosexual womanizer, or a drag queen?
An executive transvestite, perhaps? *g*
(Any Eddie Izzard fans in the house?)
TeddySanFran 10:55 p.m.
That Harold Meyerson column you linked is powerful. He really shows Lieberman to be an anachronism.
“By most indications, his primary opponent, businessman Ned Lamont, is mounting a strong challenge.” Go Ned.
“Any Eddie Izzard fans in the house?”
You lost me on that one, Redshift. What am I missing out on?
Neuro Re: The hair.
I’m not watching. Was just being silly.
G’nite all.
by the way, i blogwhored here because i left a real comment on the cross-post over at digby’s.
hi jane!
neurophius 79: Eddie Izzard, in his “Dress to Kill” show, says that he is an “executive transvestite,” and explains how transvestites are different from drag queens, because (in proper British parlance) they “fancy girls.” Consequently, making an obscure play on the fact that Giuliani was a mayor, and therefore an executive, I was suggesting that if he was an executive transvestite, rather than a drag queen, it would fit with his being a male heterosexual womanizer.
(I think “Dress to Kill” is my favorite, but all of Eddie Izzard’s comedy shows are hilarious, BTW.)
Jane,
I hope your mom continues to improve. Our prayers continue to be with her and your family.
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” should be our mantra
It has very deep resonance within the community of worship we desire to awaken (as well as with those outside it)
“…Democrats are for people, Republicans are for things…” – Oilfieldguy
Now that one or two judges, esp in Mich, look like they may be willing to give plaintiffs a chance to get past the state secrets barrier —
DOJ wants to consolidate all the pending suits involving the illegal felonious unconstitutional unwarranted eavesdropping into one, copacetic proceeding in DC.
WIth luck (of a sorts) the appellate panel will include the newly minted DC Cir Judge Kavanaugh.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..hdA–
Redshift @ 78
Something about poking a badger with a spoon… Lieberman a badger?
OT — I just read the hilarious Cat Killer thread and believe me, as someone who works with surgeons (including cardiothoracic types) in the operating room, I appreciated every nuance.
What I wanted to mention is that I receive Cat Killer’s newsletter on a regular basis just for entertainment value, and to track the radicals. I wrote to him months ago about his consistent misrepresentations about how the Senate Rules could be changed with 51 votes, when in fact a rules change requires a 2/3 vote. It’s dishonest. So what does he do? No reply. No, no. He adds me to his email list. :)
Here is what he had to say about them big bad gay dudes that wanna get hitched:
“As you know, the institution of marriage is under attack in America. The majority of Americans believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. And they believe no individual — no group — has the authority to say otherwise. But a small minority of activist judges disagree.
Nationwide, 13 states that have passed constitutional amendments to protect marriage. Yet, in nine of those states, un-elected activist judges have callously overturned those laws. [Note: amendments aren’t laws, but whatever.]
A recent case in Nebraska comes to mind. After voters overwhelmingly passed a constitutional amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman, an unelected federal judge stepped in to strike it down. As if to say to the PEOPLE: “I know what’s best for America, not you.”
When the whims of a few activist judges are free to override the commonsense of the American people, we need to act. When Americans are told that their voices and votes no longer matter, we need to act. When the America’s values are under attack, we need to act! And we WILL.
Tomorrow, Wednesday, June 7, I will take a bill to the floor of the Senate that will — once-and-for-all — define marriage as the sacred union between a man and a woman.
Howard Dean has called this constitutional amendment “morally wrong,” “shameful,” and “reprehensible.” Such absurd name-calling shows just how out of touch the Democrat party is with mainstream Americans. Make no mistake, protecting the institution of marriage is not bigotry — it is necessary to prevent activist judges from imposing Howard Dean’s liberal ideological agenda on American society.
If you think that Howard Dean’s comments are themselves shameful and reprehensible, if you think that America knows the meaning of marriage more than judges in Massachusetts, I urge you to sign my online petition by clicking here.
And if you would like to hear more about the assault on marriage and the need for this constitutional amendment, I encourage you to click hear to listen to my recent podcast on the issue.
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Amendment defeated. Whoops!
newtonusr 11:30 p.m.
http://badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Not quite sure how to broach this coherently. What’s the subtext – liberals are immoral and thus incapable of fidelity?
Monogamy works for us, and I certainly wouldn’t cede any ground to fundies on our claim to this “family value”. OTOH, stuff happens in other marriages/couples, for lots of reasons, and that’s their business. (That said, I have a particularly low tolerance for the philandering “cut and run” trophy-wife fellows).
I guess the tipping point is the hypocrisy of the sanctimonious prigs so well skewered by Digby in this post. If they’re going to wear moral values on their sleeves, then they better walk the walk.
An action transvestite?
Oh, and better badgers:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.co…..rphone.php
Maggie 88
One might think that Frist the Catkiller would have nightmares about the helpless kitties that he carved up with a scalpal without benefit of anesthesia. Perhaps even, as someone suggested here, experience in his mind a Kafka-esque metamorphisis, waking up to find himself a cat strapped to the operating table. But no–his bad dreams are populated by LIBERAL ACTIVIST JUDGES who want to DESTROY MARRIAGE.
Also note the reference to the “Democrat party”–I guess he never did learn his parts of speech in school.
neurophius @ 89
Just what I needed tonight… An acid flashback! And it’s a beaut…
motherlowman @ 91
Stolen from Olberman. Nice.
punaise 90
You have provided the perfect retort to the “cut and run” Republicans.
Sen. McCain: “Blah Blah Blah…Democrats…cut and run…blah blah blah..”
Democrat: “Oh, I see, Senator…”cut and run”…you mean, like you did from your first marriage?”
Probably should have gone with the Eddie Izzard Stonehenge ref.
http://www.auntiemomo.com/cake…..ption.html
neuro – that would leave a mark, eh?
motherlowman
Thank you for expanding my badger horizons.
Oooops! Stonehenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..chives/447
I’m going to have to spend some time studying this Eddie Izzard phenomenon, which I had never been exposed to before this thread.
speaking of prigs, check out the trend in these Joementum numbers, via Kos:
still, WTF are 40% of liberals thinking?
punaise >”…still, WTF are 40% of liberals thinking?”
They aren`t
Plain & simple
“…It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins…” – Benjamin Franklin
punaise @ 101
Like to see some age and religious demo data before I weigh in on that one.
BTW, what exactly is a “liberal” in Conn. – I’m in California, so I don’t have a read… yet!
The wingnuts won’t accept Giuliani because of his positions on choice and gay rights. His disgraceful treatment of his wife is just more negative icing on the cake. (And yes, I do think it was disgraceful, not because he committed adultery — I’m not the enforcer of someone else’s bargain — but because it was public and callous.)
Philandering is a more powerful weapon against Republican candidates who are otherwise “right” on the fundies’ issues. There, I think Jane is correct, as usual; it’s the married women who will join their single sisters on our side of the gender gap. You can forget most of the fundie men. If they can forgive Falafel Bill and Oxycontin Rush, they are beyond shame. Still, Dobson might just tell his people to stay home.
I think it’s too early to tell how Romney’s LDS status will play, but Hatch sure sank like a stone when he stuck his toe in last time. George Allen still has ambitions, though, and if he survives Webb, he could be a threat. He’s photogenic, extremely conservative, and stupid, so he’s got a real shot. Huckabee, not so much, I’d think. He wants to make everyone diet and exercise. That might get him the Jennie Craig vote, but every overweight American will think he’s meddlin’.
On the Democratic side, I think glass houses matter less because we aren’t hypocrites about sex. Clinton stayed popular all through the Monica mess, after all, and Corzine is Governor of New Jersey. But I’ll bet everyone’s opposition research teams are grinding away as we speak to find out if there’s any dirt on the ten candidates we know about so far. They have all been in politics long enough now that I would think we’d have heard, but who knows? In my younger days, I’d have offered to find out personally, but I’m too old and too tired now. Someone else will have to volunteer to give his or her all for the Party. :>)
punaise,
of the 40% of CT liberals still supporting Lieberman, the breakdown might run along the lines:
25% appreciate Lieberman’s strong support of Israel
25% appreciate his stand on porn, violence, etc.
25% have jobs in the financial services industry which Lieberman has helped grow stronger
25% haven’t caught up with the issues yet
BarbaraB @ 104
I have my doubts that Dobson will keep’em home. He’s not like some of his Wingnut brethren, in that he doesn’t (or can’t afford to ) think long-term. But I’ve misjudged the RelRight before!
newtonusr 103 – wouldn’t know, I’m CA too
ET – seems plausible
Gosh, I hate that I missed this thread. Agonized late night phone call from a friend. Had to talk him down off the ledge over some girl. WHY, oh, why do people insist on dating each other?
People should never do anything together. Ever.
Nothing can change for Repubs the horror of Iraq and their support of the non-plan. According to a master astrologer (one of the best) she sees major change from the upcoming election and has gone farther than she ever has in saying she feels the war mongers will all be thrown out. Americans can’t stomach much more of it.
And another note on astrological matters: The Saturn influence on Bush’s ascendant and the planets in his first house is leaving. He will be feeling much freer after July 5th and this nice feeling will continue til September when transiting Saturn will conjunct his natal Venus for a few months into 2007. Stuff won’t be so nice for him during that time. So be pepared for a cocky George Bush, comin’ up…
BarbaraB, good insights.
random thought: “Corzine” – sounds like a prescription drug
no need to take one for the team, please!
TRex – the rhetorical ledge, one presumes/hopes.
did you just invent solitudinalism?
spiderpaws
…she feels the war mongers will all be thrown out. Americans can’t stomach much more of it.
can’t happen a moment too soon.
Punaise 110 — I think you can buy Corzine over the counter. Very good for insect bites and poison ivy. As for your other point, even if I had the energy to do the research myself, these days all I would be able to report back would be the varying degrees of politeness with which they turned me down. By the way, did you settle on a name for the orange boy?
no name yet. working title is Fitz the Cat.
Way past bedtime for me. I’m still on Pacific time, which is odd since I never seemed to adjust to it in Las Vegas. Anyway, g’night, all. I’m very glad Jane’s mother is better.
…and Massachusetts countryside people HATE Romney…I have tons of rels in the Berkshires and have to listen to their whining about him weekly.
My favorite astrologer predicts major rebirth across the US for November.
TRex @ 108
Seriously, I’ve got friends who can’t be outside of a r’ship for more than about 15 minutes!
or
Newt Gingrich here-
’cause some of us can’t cook or clean or blow ourselves!
…Punaise: how about Ritz (as in cracker) instead of Fritz…
spiderpaws @ 116
Still can’t figure how the hell he won up there, city or country folk.
punaise @114:
Best punaise of the week! Spilled beer all over my basil plants, which I’m trimming before I go on a big fishing expedition the rest of the week.
One of the questions is always ‘how can the republicans vote for this creep?’ The answer is: Their smoke and mirrors work great! Much better than democrat or liberal sets.
If I were a big liberal publisher on a vendetta to smear republicans, my first target would be those grocery store rags – Those catch a lot of eyes with a ‘Gengrich Sex Scandal’ on the front of it.
But smearing alone won’t win. Think about your perfect liberal candidate, dead-on on all of your important issues. Suddenly, some social scandal comes up – drugs, adultery, jaywalking, assault..whatever! Are you thrown off from voting for them because of a personal vice?
(Some of these may be more heinous to you than the next guy. Just bear with me!)
I think that someone like Gengrich resonates so well because of his immigration stance, not his relationship with his wife. Guilianni resonates so well with the base because he is seen as a capable leader after a major disaster, not because his relationship with his wife.
Tom Daschle may of had a great relationship, but he’s not in office any more is he? Theresa Heinz is a supportive wife, but where is John Kerry?
spiderpaws:
Fitz, not Fritz. (is that out of bounds?)
Ritz ain’t bad.
Check out the Washington Post about Ron Suskind’s new book.
There’s a whole lot of “jaw-dropping” stuff there, but the money quote in my book is Bush’s actual response to the CIA official who flew to Crawford on Aug 6, 2001 to underscore the importance of the Bin Laden report: “Okay, you’ve covered your ass, now.”
Well, Punaise, you know that would be a popular choice here, but your family might not be as enamoured of the divine Patrick as we are. One suggestion, which you already know if you’ve had other cats: Pick a name that’s no more than two syllables and reasonably percussive. You’ll be yelling at him a lot, and it’s very hard to yell “Purrceval” or “Sweetums” or some such and expect the cat to take you seriously. And with all respect to *ilson, don’t name a pet anything whose first syllable is “No.” I once had friends who thought it was cute to name their Old English Sheepdog puppy “No Face” until they took him to obedience class and discovered that every time they said “no,” the dog said “Yep, that’s me.” Not that cats pay much attention to commands, but you can hope. And now, good night, sweet prince.
punaise
Is Fitz an “interesting cat”?
cancer cures,
I agree. Incompetence works for Bush, but he’s over. Incompetence, greed and corruption works for the GOP congress, and that is the front burner. 2008 is back burner. Without big Dem gains in 2006, the speculation above by one of the most prescient writers on the internet – Digby – is beyond moot. But there are gems to be gotten from this. Jokes work better than whining. If we sift through the stuff above, there are a lot of great digs at these peoples’ religious hypocracy, which is always good campaign fodder against the goopers.
I’m going to take two Corzine and sleep on it.
Good night, all.
neuro –
“cool cat”
…a nice basic friendly tabby kitten from the shelter. seems happy, has a good cat-sonality.
BarbaraB – we’re all about the two syllables. ‘night.
neuro – call us in the morning
BarbaraB – Rev. Gov. Huckabee will out charm and straight talk Allen any day of the week. His outside of the beltway status alone, will be a huge advantage. He is running a surplus, will get tax cuts with a surplus, revamped education, has an ideal religious status for fundies.
All of this and more with Dem controlled legislature. I only wonder about his strong leader (mean streak) perception on television. I wouldn’t brush him off so quickly. Look up Huck posts on dkos. Wonder who currently has the most money in rep. pres. hopefuls?
Ed*ard Teller,
Word.
Remember, kids…Always keep your ass covered
;>)
punaise – I like Rosco. His photo also looks like a Rusty or Risky or Pink Nose or Blueiza (3).
db – heh. heh, heh.
Cop Hurt Own.
ES, AR – that last one’s right out of the Blueiza!
His eyes in the photo caught my southern iz. How about Bluett a tasty blue mushroom. lol
that’s what threw me: his eyes are decidedly gray (blue, gray, southern?)
eye’s going to call it a night
Oh, well the photo in your comment link looked blue. My last cats names were JC and Ms. Penny. JC was almost a Rosco. Current kitty Jessie Yazzo. Bluiza sounded southern to me. Fitz would be fun to yell around the house and in the neighbors yard.
ok g’nite.
Dear Digby; The religious right is already “dealing with” a McCain candidacy.
See: Recent photos of McCain, with, figuratively speaking, Falwell-jizz dripping of his chin, as he mended fences at Liberty University’s commencement.
EPU’d or not, here’s a letter I just sent to Bill Keller, Executive Editor of the NY Times –
Dear Mr. Keller,
After the New York Times’ front-page coverage of the sex lives of the Clintons, I’m sure you are planning to do parallel pieces on the Republican Presidential hopefuls. Aren’t you? After all, what is good for Chevron is also good for Exxon…or something like that.
Sincerely,
radlib1
P.S. There’s already a piece about sex-crazed, adulterous Republicans (i.e., McCain, Giuliani, and Gingrich) by Steve Benen in the latest issue of The Washington Monthly. I suggest you check it out, maybe have your investigative reporters do a little more digging, and voila — you have a “fit-to-print,” front-page series on adulterous Republicans running for President (and supporting the “Nine Commandments” at the same time).
But I happen to think that McCain is the most formidable challenge to the Democrats in 2008. He’s the guy Junior pretended to be %u2014 and the maverick-who-has-always-been-his-own-man the Republicans would love to be able to throw up there as big Daddy who’s gonna fix everything.
I think they’re gonna want Allen–the affable empty suit with the power in the veep slot has worked out awfully well. They’ve survived disastrous policy failures through this model. Give them one more term, and they should be able to lock up the judiciary, and stem progress for a generation.
The question is that model is who the veep would be. McCain might make that deal–accept the second slot in return for real power–for instance.
OT News – Part of the ongoing ‘last throes’
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13451449/
Morning Lake dwellers!
So very nice to see Jane’s name and hear her comments again. You and your Mom and the rest of the family are in my thoughts….
I loved this post — just wanted to add a comment not addressed above — The Role of Catholics.
Last election (you might recall) the Catholic hierarchy, who were in the midst of the priest sex scandal, for the first time in my memory started coming out against politicians based on Catholic principals. Of course, they were dissing Kerry because, as a Catholic himself, he supported the right of women to choose. There ensued a big kerfluffle about communion. Since then, Bishops in various parts of the country have been putting their moralistic toes of pundocracy into the electoral politics waters. With the new Pope since the last election, who seems to be even more of a prude and more of a scold than John Paul II (OT — Why didn’t this Pope decide on the name “George Ringo?”) I do not see this trend abating.
So, the questions are: will the Catholic priests and Bishops continue to comment on sin and politics in the adultery context? Will they only criticize Catholic politicians (I believe Gingrich is Catholic?) Will the Catholic women who currently make up the vast majority of practicing Catholics as Jane suggests — be forgiving or just plain pissed?
I do have some hope that, in practice, the Catholic scolds will be far less hypocritical than the evangelical scolds.
McCain would only win the White House because all your Liberals friends would vote for him.
Liberals are stunningly unaware of his Flip-Flopping record and far-right wing votes. If he wins the presidency, it won’t be Dobson that put him there, it will be ignorant Liberals.
McCain is no “Maverick”. He’s a textbook Passive/Aggressive Personality Disorder Flip Flopper. Spend just ten minutes researching his image vs. his actual records and it’s clear as day.
As if there wee any questions about the ability of “christians” to be utterly hypocritical on the issue of mean spirited adultery, a current case study presents itself in the Florida Governor’s race:
http://www.gainesville.com/app…../1078/news
George Tenet has taken a double whammy yesterday in Wapo.
In Barton Gelman’s review of Suskind’s book:
Suskind’s portrait of Tenet, respectful but far from adulatory, depicts a man compromised by “insecurity and gratitude” to a president who chose not to fire him after 9/11. “At that point, George Tenet would do anything his President asked,” Suskind writes.
In Paul Farhi’s preview of PBS special “Dark Side”:
The most seriously co-opted of all is former CIA director George Tenet, who initially thought that the evidence of Iraq’s weapon’s program was murky or nonexistent, but he nevertheless wound up as Mr. Slam Dunk, going along with the program. “Dark Side” suggests that Tenet might have stopped Cheney and Rumsfeld if only he had stood up to them and used his “personal relationship” with the president and cashed in a few chits earned by the CIA’s success in Afghanistan.
From the evidence here, in fact, it appears Tenet willingly sold his soul. The best quote comes from former Iraq weapons inspector David Kay, who says, “George Tenet wanted to be a player. And he understood that if you didn’t give the policymakers what they wanted, you weren’t a player. . . . He traded integrity for access. And that’s a bad bargain anytime in life. It’s a particularly bad bargain if you’re running an intelligence agency.”
Sam Loomis 146 – I hope many people’s eyes were opened when McCain gave the commencement speech at Falwell’s Liberty University after previously calling Falwell one of the “agents of intolerance.”
OT – Manybe this is funny, or just gross. I haven’t decided yet. Anyway, now you can combine cleaning your cat’s litter-box and brewing a pot of java into one simple task:
http://www.sallys-place.com/be….._luwak.htm
Maybe Frist was just trying to brew a better pot of coffee when he was ‘working with’ those cats.
Lets get the reporters it does not have to be sex, drugs, crime it could be anything if they want to open a can of worms on Hillary without mentioning Newt then maybe they can be the story.
Shell @ 54:
YES. I saw Mark Cuban interviewed on Colbert some months back. Neat guy! I think he’s also an inventor of things. I remember a bidet-type thing for your toilet. Anyway, I thought he was pretty wonderful!
And Digby, “damn right,” indeed. I’m going to point this hypocrisy out again and again to my dear Mum, who is feeling pretty awful about pulling the lever for Bush. I can get us at least one vote.
George Allen on the Imus show this morning being typically hate-full. The will of the people, not appointed for life judges, demands that we have the anti-gay marriage amendment, says he. Add Allen to the divorced hall of shame hypocrites pushing this as family values.
If the will of the people matters so much to Mr. Allen, perhaps he should follow the will of the people and get us out of Iraq.
The Rude Pundit reports:
Then, quite interestingly, Reagan continued, “The men and women who patrol our streets here at home also face great dangers every day. But the greatest danger of all would be to yank those police officers off the streets and to leave our neighborhoods and families at the mercy of criminals. If we’re to be secure in our homes and in the world, we must stand together against those who threaten us. This is a time for unity, not partisan politics.”
Of course, Weinberger eventually got McFarlane on his side, and Reagan pulled the U.S. troops out of Lebanon at the end of that same month. Man, what a punk ass bitch Reagan was.
The script never changes for Republicans. Without fear and projected machismo, they have nothing. By instilling fear and spouting bravado, they can go on getting Americans killed for as long as they want.
Good morning Lake dwellers….OT…did you all see Larry Johnsons smackdown of Republican Operative and Rove/Comstock official fax receiver Howard Kurtz?
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..tz_an.html
Good morning, all!
Ooops, I see that while we’ve been otherwise engaged, emptywheel has kept after her “Anatomy of a White House Smear” series, and has now reached Part 3.5.
Maybe the Times will also deign to cover Bush’s on the job extracurriculars.
Nearing EPU territory, probably, but a couple things…
Time and again, the GOP seizes high moral ground, and the Dems let them, putting us always in a position of playing defense. Marital fidelity is not the only moral tenet the GOP routinely violates. Their economic policies in general are unfair to families and place undue stress on marriages.
That said, no point in getting all worked up over adulterous GOP candidates unless and until we know that the field of Dems is squeaky clean, otherwise Campaign 2008 will be a high-profile version of The Jerry Springer Show,a nd we will be treated to it for an entire year.
OT – I loved the suggestion made last night: “The Republicans would rather save face than save lives.” So true.
Would like any Republican who uses the phrase “history of cutting and running” to have to detail that history. I suspect it would be a version of that simpleton Congressman who couldn’t recite all 10 commandments.
Jerry, yes, as somebody said earlier, if the Globe is willing to go with it, that one’s inching a little closer to plausibility.
(operative phrase: a little)
Oh hi, Anne. You’re off to another strong start this morning. I think, for best results, Dems should pair the “Save lives or save faces?” formula with your “HERE’s what we’ll CUT/HERE’s what we’ll RUN” from last night: what a boffo two-fer!
new thread — continuing battle
I don’t believe for one minute that Stevens cares one whit about consumers, and hope that Inouye can prevail. I fully expect a bill to be voted out of committee, and given that I don’t think enough Senators know enough about the issue to vote with intelligence, the bill that gets to the floor better be a good one.
OT – lhp: I saw that article in my local paper this morning; nothing like a little privacy violation to get the blood boiling. What really pissed me off was the government making use of these services, no doubt so they can claim that the government isn’t violating your Fourth Amendment rights – well, no, because they’re letting someone else do that for them.
We can’t take another 2 years of unchecked power.
Kinda OT from a previous thread:
President Bush the first issued pardons pre emptively during Iran Contra.
I have wondered aloud about some of the Citizen Spook theories b/c if the WH issued a preemptive pardon of specific charges that Fitz intended to bring against Rove and then spent 2-4 weeks holding their breath to see if he would ammneded and seek new charges, his recent letter to Luskin saying he “did not anticipate seeking charges” [other than those pardoned?] would make perfect sense.
But that is just wild speculation.
Loved the Frontline last night. Hoping for a Jane or Christy post on it.
If so, then Repub congressmen and Senators should have their offices barraged with phone calls asking about their pasts.
“Have you ever engaged in: adultery, oral sex, masturbation, etc?”"
See how they like it.
Gee….regarding marriages, it seems that McCain and Kerry both use ketchup.
Ketchup- the Election Condiment
Loved the Frontline last night. Hoping for a Jane or Christy post on it.
Yepper, lhp, betcha there’s FDL unanimity on that one!
Did somebody say that the online version won’t be available until 5PM E today? I was fighting off sleep and eventually lost the battle last night. (Talk about the mind being willing but the flesh weak . . . )
Which one of the hypocrite SOB’s will be the first to send an apology to Bill Clinton?
For the young people out there considering careers, remember: in politics it’s better to be a judgmental, hypocritical a-hole than it is to be a nice, perceptive, forgiving person.
It isn’t adultery if you pay for it, right?
Right?
“we are going to have to fight back. If they are going to use it against Democrats, the adulterous sinners of the GOP are going to get a taste of this medicine and see how much they like it.”
How exactly are you going to do that? By blogging about it? The corporate media control the airwaves and they are NOT going to be talking about McCain’s infedelity. They would rip out the jugular of any democrat caught cheating because that goes along with there meme of “liberal permissiveness”, but they won’t touch a conservative Republican doing the same thing. Especially McCain. McCain has the “JFK” rule in place with the media — don’t ask, don’t tell. There’s just no point whining about this. Until the democrats buy up enough radio and TV stations to be able to control debate in this country they’re going to be shut out.
Perhaps this could be an issue on Air America, but don’t expect the NY Times or Wash Post or ABC news to pay any attention to it, which means it won’t be accepted into the mainstream debate.
Frankly there doesn’t seem much point in getting caught up in the culture wars like this. The rules are all totally slanted against democrats. The only chance is to relentlessly change the debate to things that matter and refuse to engage on pointless social issues.
They’re going to push those themes regardless because they’re all a bunch of corproate whores, but the response can be “this is a deliberate distraction from what really matters” — and then talk about Iraq. Agressively talk about Iraq. The Republicans stick relentlessly to their talking points regardless of the facts or how it looks or what anybody says, why not Democrats? Ask how many more dead and how many more billions we want to spend and keep repeating the same thing over and over again whether the media like it or not. Message discipline.
Then the Republicans can pontificate about “values” endlessly while the wagging heads nod sagely, but they’re going to do that anyway. Why not get a bit of a cold wind in that punctures their balloon and says “this is all B.S. and a distraction, and you people out there watching know it. We can’t afford to become obsessed with this drivel when there are real problems to solve.” And then remind them of Iraq.
In spite of my personal belief that a person’s sex life is their own private business, and that I believe that adultery is a total non-issue (for me personally)…Democrats have exactly one option on this issue. Attack, attack, attack. This is the only viable option Dems have on any issue. Republicans need to be driven out of office, all over the country, no matter who they are, what they stand for, etc. Let the goopers call Dems hypocrites. Let them call them whatever they want. If the Dems keep attacking, they will influence enough socially conservative “values voters” to disrupt the repug campaigns.
And disrupting gooper election wins is all that matters this year.
I wonder why Ronald Reagan is overlooked when listing errant husbands – he was married to Jane Wyman – but after Nancy got pregnant, he married her – and their first child was born ‘early’.
Word!
Right-wingers don’t care about hypocrisy. As a Kos diarist recently noted, for rightwingers, the question is not “what” but “who.”
So if a right-winger commits adultery and repents (the “who”), it’s okay. If a liberal or Democrat (or anyone not on their “side” or in their “tribe) commits adultery, it doesn’t matter. No repentance allowed. They’re damned for life.
As a former evangelical, I am unimpressed with Dobson’s comments about how adultery is still poisen with evangelicals. Not true. As long as the right-wing guy says that after cheating on his wife, he came to know Jesus (or got to know Jesus all over again, this time “for real” ), he’ll be okay with the evangelicals. In fact, he’ll be welcomed with open arms. Evangelicals LOVE former sinners, the bigger the sins, the better. It’s called living vicariously.
Once someone truly accepts Jesus Christ as their Personal Saviour and Lord, they become “a new person in Christ.” Whatever happened in the past, no longer matters. It’s Ollie-Ollie-In-Free.
I’m telling you, it’s a helluva racket.
But alas, this kind of resurrection is only available for conservative males. If a liberal tried it, his sincerity would be doubted. Just wouln’t pass the smell test. And girl-candidates can’t try it no matter what.
Like I said at the top, for conservatives, it’s not about “what.” It’s about “who.” If you’re on their side, you can do no wrong. If you’re their enemy, you can do no right. Look how the righties treat Jimmy Carter, if you don’t believe me.
It’s the whole evangelical/right-wing “Judgement for Thee, but not for Me” thing. There’s always lots of Judgement for gays—since apparently no evangelicals are gay. But there’s not so much talk about divorce as a threat to The Family because…..well, a whole lot of evangelicals get divorced.
The whole Left Behind series is about evangelicals being magically lifted off the earth during the Rapture, while all the heretics, Jews, Muslims and Liberals have to stay behind to be tortured and tormented. The evangelicals have even designed a video game, ready to for shipping by next Christmas, whereby young conservative believers can blow away the heretics.
Judgment for Thee, but not for Me.
Also, judgment for Democrats, but not for Republicans.
Who, not what.
And it’s okay if you’re a Republican. (IOIYAR)
Charming people, aren’t they?
I lived in Newt’s district the first time he ran. His opponent was a neighbor,Dem, Virginia Shappard. He attacked her on the grounds that if she was elected and in Washington , she would neglect her children and family in Griffin Ga. It was ok for him to serve papers to his wife as she lay in Clayton General hospital, but a woman should not leave her family to respresent her district or be accused of being a neglectful wife and mother. Oh yes I remember the scumbag well.
Let me get this straight. Gringich was not lying when he said “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Manning,” but Bill Clinton was lying when he said “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky”?
Pot, meet kettle….
The Neo groupies learned from 8 years of Bill’s spin team, so now it is their turn to pad pockets on the top of their pyramid. I cannot wait for the Bush team books & speech schedule when it’s the good guys turn to run the show.
Bill signed NAFTA into law creating 1000’s of good jobs, gave China most favored trade status creating 1000’s of good jobs, made sure the SEC backed off checking on companies, reduced company holdings to back up pensions. All these actions worked well until the nasty other guys got power…..I mean their turn.
Lets remember how NOW came to a young female interns defense, I heard she was a stocker & liar, even new definitions by the good guy spin team could not make the blue dress go away.
Lets don’t forget Bill O’s phone sex false charges until the tapes were played for his payoff consideration and the poor Oxy-C guy down in Florida for his terrible back pain.
How many data points are needed to be sure you have a trend?
Just a small comment about Georgie boy and Cinda Sleezey I was in the Restaurant and Club business for years, during which you get to be a pretty good judge of the sexual attractions of people. I, now, have seen a number of the joined at the hip pair, and some of the pictures are very revealing. Look at the eyes very closely; they tell tales. I am convinced and have been for quite some time that they are involved in a very heated relationship. Look at the eyes, very revealing!