
[This is another great guest post from Scout Prime from First Draft. Accountability is sorely lacking for the entire Bush Administration -- most of all, perhaps, for Donald Rumsfeld. Thanks so much to Scout for shedding some light on his role in this. -- CHS]
Don Rumsfeld has flown under the Katrina Blame Radar and not rightly so. I always imagined that if he would have been truly called to account for his inaction he’d probably say something to the effect that he was too busy fighting wars to be engaged in responding to a storm. A Washington Post article today gives some insight into Rumsfeld’s perceived priorities which would likely support my imagined scenario.
Through a FOIA request The Post obtained a previously deleted transcript from a 2005 Senate hearing on a tanker lease scandal which included this….
The topic was the largest defense procurement scandal in recent decades, and the two investigators for the Pentagon's inspector general in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's office on April 1, 2005, asked the secretary to raise his hand and swear to tell the truth.Rumsfeld agreed but complained. "I find it strange," he said to the investigators, on the grounds that as a government official "the laws apply to me" anyway.
It was a bumpy start to an odd interview, as Rumsfeld cited poor memory, loose office procedures, and a general distraction with "the wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan to explain why he was unsure how his department came to nearly squander $30 billion leasing several hundred new tanker aircraft that its own experts had decided were not needed.
SNIP
But the scandal never tarnished Rumsfeld, and in the previously undisclosed interview, conducted with principal Deputy General Counsel Daniel J. Dell'Orto at his side, the defense secretary makes clear that he does wars, not defense procurement. As a result, he could not recollect details of what subordinates told him about the tanker lease or what he said to them.(emphasis mine)
Yes, he does wars. That is about how I would have imagined Rumsfeld to have explained his disengagement regarding Katrina which was on a par with guitar playing Bush, fly fishing Cheney and shoe shopping Condi. Here again it never tarnished Rumsfeld as it should have.
Under the National Response Plan as head of the Department of Defense, Rumsfeld’s role in disaster response would have begun accordingly....
Initial requests for assistance are made to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Executive Secretariat. If approved by the Secretary of Defense, DOD designates a supported combatant commander for the response. The supported combatant commander determines the appropriate level of command and control for each response and usually directs a senior military officer to deploy to the incident site.
In the crucial days of Katrina however Rumsfeld was not engaged in disaster response. Where was Rumsfeld? On Monday August 29 he was in St. Louis speaking to a group of conservationists. There was no mention of Katrina though ironically he closed his speech with……..
With new partnerships, the Department of Defense is seeking to fulfill a mission that is as old as the military. In the spirit of Theodore Roosevelt, and on the order of our Commander and Chief, George W. Bush, the United States Armed Forces can and will continue to work to protect America -- both our lands, as well as our fellow citizens.
He then went on to Fort Irwin California to speak to the troops. (See above photo for Rumsfeld's look of concern and care. Classy. -- CHS)
On Tuesday August 30 Rumsfeld was in San Diego with Bush. There is no evidence he jammed with the guitar playing Bush though.
So who was minding the shop? According to Sen. Lieberman’s press release of Feb. 9 entitled “MILITARY ROLE IN KATRINA RESPONSE SEEMED COBBLED TOGETHER”………
On Tuesday of Katrina’s week one, the military recognized that the rescue of the Gulf Coast was uncertain and foundering under the administration of the Department of Homeland Security. We are especially indebted to Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England, who, because he was watching Katrina’s impact on television, concluded that troops and equipment needed to be deployed immediately without the normal paperwork. (emphasis mine)
So as a result of watching TV the Deputy Secretary of Defense kicked-started the military response. This is allowed under the National Response Plan. (errr the Deputy part not the TV part) But the military response was slowed. In fact recently Michael Brown had this to say of the military’s response…
Brown said he also should have "gone public" when his agency didn't get the response he needed from the Defense Department and military for help. His biggest mistake was not leveling with the American public like he should have, he said.
The House committee which investigated Katrina had subpoenaed Rumsfeld’s communications last December. In the end they never received them.
When it came to documentation of how Secretaries Michael Chertoff and Donald Rumsfeld responded to Katrina, however, congressional investigators got a different answer from the administration. The House committee established to investigate Katrina was “informed that neither Secretary Chertoff nor Secretary Rumsfeld use e-mail,”[Snip]
The Democrats’ report added that despite investigators’ requests for other documentation, “We received no other records we requested, such as phone logs, e-mail records of assistants, or other internal communications that would show how Secretary Chertoff and Secretary Rumsfeld received information, communicated with other government officials, or gave orders.”
Donald Rumsfeld will never be officially held to account for his role in the Katrina debacle. He may be one who walks between the raindrops, a not so special a feat in today's Washington, though Rumsfeld executes it better than anyone. However his name and portrait ought rightly be added to the Katrina Hall of Shame in our public mind.
UPDATE: Here's some updated library information from Scout Prime. I appended some inaccurate information to a prior post that I had received from another blogger -- and I wanted to be certain that we corrected it for everyone. -- CHS
One very important thing you can do is go to this levees.org link to send an e-letter to your reps on the need for better levees. To donate to Levees.org
Another good group you can donate to is the Urban Conservancy which supports local businesses, neighborhoods and planning efforts. The Children's Defense Fund (Donate Here) and the Children's Health Fund (Donate Here) are doing great work with kids. There are an alarming number of kids with mental health issues.
These would be great ones to donate For those wanting to keep the music alive in NOLA is the New Orleans Musician's Clinic. They are innovative in that they are addressing the health care needs of musicians and their families Donations can be made here
To donate to the NOLA Library go to this link .
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Christy, sent you an email earlier, not sure right address.
Is FDL available in IV form? sheesh.
Syriana is out today on DVD.
Frontline is must watching tonight on PBS.
Suskind is on the Sit Room.
BuzZz the popular culture…if we can get the sheeple to watch/hear, we can make them stakeholders…and voters.
Scout Prime!!!
and Rumsfeld doesn’t do Afghanistan or Iraq too well either …
ck!!!
*ilson46201 at 4…and that too
Hi you, Scout, how’s yer maw an’ them?!
Welcome back!
While watching Fog of War the other day, I was reminded of how much Rumsfeld looks like McNamara (sp?) and how the newspapers described McNamara and Rumsfeld almost identically - arrogant, hardheaded. And yet, I wish Rumsfeld had just a squoshe of McNamara’s integrity. He tried to tell them…
Thanks, Scout. So many crimes, so little time being done by any of the perpetrators. Will be doing my part to win in November.
*ilson, Rummy’s like the rest of the Cheneybush crime syndicate - generally incompetent. Is there anything he does do well, besides rambling obfuscations?
Leslie, he’s pretty good at snapping the noses off reporters, but other than that … eh, not so much.
hi lotus
mommybrain…I was making that same comparison in my mind as I watched Fog of War
Thank you Christy for never dropping the ball. I must say that reading FDL makes me so angry I can barely stand it but I am ever grateful for the information. Rummy should be hamstrung by his gonads alas, he has none. It still amazes me that the troops act so glad to see that murderer who puts them in harms way as pawns. We are active duty military and my hubby leaves for Iraq in 22 days. We, like ALL of our active duty friends HATE this criminal administration and the treason they commit daily. Long Live FDL!
HopeSpringsATurtle (great name, btw) — absolute best of luck to your husband!
I don’t mean to steer things too far away from NOLA, but do you have any sense of how much of the whole forces may be agreeing with your immediate circle by now? Is the Army newspaper (sorry, forget its name) or any similar sources you may have showing ferment?
HopeSpringsATurtle - First of all, let me say how much your name makes me smile. What a mental image!
Please give our best to your husband. I’ll keep him in my thoughts until you say he’s home. He’s a real patriot.
HopeSprings, I love your username! I will be hoping for your husband’s safe return. Thanks for chiming in.
Are you there, shoephone? In case you missed it, I apologize to you and all righteous Mickies for having slipped y’all to Ron Suskind. Seriously, one should be more careful with one’s speech.
(Someday, perhaps when we meet at a future ykos or fdl convention and you find out my real name, you will wonder where my head was.)
Noron is such a tool…someones been eating her republiwheaties.
“Cut and run” or “stay the course” was the graphic just displayed. Talk about framing. Does anyone else expect MSNBC to become as blantantly right wing as Fox under that idiot Pig vomit–excuse me, Abrams–didn’t I hear his dad was a supporter of the Libby fund? Anyone think his first job is to bring KO in line? How long do you think Countdown will last?
BREAKING NEWS
missing Rummy Katrina e-mail found:
somebody here with us in dago city told me to turn on the tv and watch what’s going on in nolaland. I’m too busy trying to find some drums so I can play with the big guy when he gets that cool guitar after his dipshit speech on the carrier (that’s right - another dipshit speech on another carrier by chimpy boy. sheeesh!)
I’m not gonna turn on the tv. what I know and don’t know are at least two different things. who cares about nola, anyway? if I turn the tv on, I’ll be shown the same pictures of the same dark-skinned welfare queens screaming their heads off over and over and over. send ‘em some vases from the baghdad museum for all I care. Besides, you go to a hurricane with the levees you have, not the levees you wish you had. and besides again, I’ve gotta go to that shop where we make All the bulletproof vests. what jerks! they want us to let them hire a couple dozen more people so they can go to three shifts. I say ten people is more than enough. The dukester agrees. I think I just saw him getting a brown paper bag from the owner………
…the defense secretary makes clear that he does wars, not defense procurement.
That about nails why we are so f*cked. It’s not just him, it’s all of ‘em:
We do politics, not government.
Ed*ard Teller…LOL
mommybrain 20 -
Nail, meet hammer.
OT: “Why Neil Young is Wrong: http://progressive.org/mag_smith0706″
Since FDL did earlier posts helping the Dixie Chicks I figured you might be interested in helping out a lot of lesser-knowns.
Like Neil, I too wondered (with Michael Franti and Steve Earle as notable exceptions) where all the angry rockers have been hiding. Now I know.
mommybrain at 20…I’ve always thought Bush is all about campaigning and Zero interest/cability for governance
Leslie in CA - Wham.
Scout: Yes, we only hear about his political advisor; we never hear about his policy advisors.
Hey all — and apologies for the OT Scout — just spoke with Jane a few minutes ago and got some good news. They are moving Jane’s mom out of the ICU and into a regular room. She’s stabilized a bit for the moment, and Jane sounded very much relieved. They are still cautious, but it’s the first good news they’ve gotten in days. Thought I would pass it along to everyone. Jane says hello, and that she’ll stop in and say hi to everyone when she can — she needs a FDL fix, too. :)
CHS that is good news. Glad to hear it.
I sent you an email
Dan Abrams’ pa is Floyd, attorney to The Queen of All Iraq, Scooter’s aspen-connected Judy….
Best to our Jane and her ma!
That’s good news, Redd!
Christy:
Got here just in time to hear the good news about Jane’s Mom. I know it’s probably the last thing on her mind, but hope Jane is taking care of herself too.
Keep up with the white light to Jane and her Mom!
Hang in there, Jane. Love and light to you all.
{{Hi Teddy}}
OT– Susskind just said on wolf that the US deliberately bombed Al-Jazeera hq. Well, what does that say about us???
CIA says they knew nothing about it acc to Ensore– it sounds as though the military did it all by themselves…….
sh*t.
Yer doin a heck of a job, Scoutie.
Great news on the Jane’s mom front - hang in there, ladies!
Christy, nice kludge for the guest authorship problem *g*.
Christy, thanks for the update! Hang in there, Jane - we’re all pulling for your mom and you.
hey there Kenosha Kid!
op99 — if I could just figure out how to fix the damn software, I could do authorship at the top. But I’m terrified I’ll screw up the whole blog if I try. *g* So that was the best solution that I could come up with for now. ;-)
“Noron is such a tool%u2026someones been eating her republiwheaties.”
She also used a long ago debunked republic talking point.
Paraphrasing…
Noron: 80% 0f Iraq is secure. Why can’t we secure the remaining 20%?
Barry McCaffrey: If never been convinced that 80% of Iraq is secure, at all.
80% of Iraq in uninhabited.
Ot Don’t forget tonight on PBS - Dick Cheney’s dark side.
Oh that is good news indeed, Christy and thank you for passing it on! More healing thoughts her way!
Scout– what a great post!!!!!!! Rumsfeld is indeed responsible for his filthy part. I hear the National Guard is there now to help with the crime wave y’all are experiencing. What a continuing tragedy.
Great news about Mom!
angie…I don’t line in Louisiana. People often think I do. but I don’t.
But yes they called up the Guard. I think all in all it was a good thing to do. They probaly never should have left
Ahh that should have been Live… as in don’t live in LA at #45
Hey Scout — I completely forgot to do an update on the LA library information from the other day. If you have the info handy and can post it, I’ll append it to this post and the other one as well on the monetary donation needs. Thanks! (Man, my brain is like a sieve these days…)
CHS..I’ll get it and mail it ok
MB, what Rummy does best is bureaucratic infighting. He might be the best of our times. Just ask Colin Powell, who prolly has a hard time getting thru airport security because of all the metal still in his back.
When the history of this cabal is written, Rummy and his protege Cheney will be at the epicenter of the evil.
Yay, a Jane update! Please send her all our best.
And while I’m here, thanks for the great news about Jane’s mom! I’m sure she’s proud of and greatful for her daughters.
Seems to me that the Congressional investigation necessary for the possible impeachment of Donald Rumsfeld needs to start getting underway… Firing is way too good for that guy.
There’s something I’d like to highlight from Judge Walton’s June 2nd Order in the Libby case, which - at least as I read it - pertains directly to Karl Rove and certain documents related to him which may be discoverable. As emptywheel, Jeralyn and Christy and Jane are aware, the Libby defense has been agitating for documents related to Rove to be turned over to them, in spite of the ongoing government investigation. And this despite the fact that Special Counsel Fitzgerald has made it clear that the government does not plan on calling Rove as a witness in the Libby trial. [The defense may or may not call Rove as a witness.]
Judge Walton held off on ruling specifically regarding Rove, until his June 2nd Order, which actually cut off at the knees many of the avenues for such Rove-related discovery. However, there is at least one possible avenue of discovery still available to Libby, as Walton ruled here in his June 2nd order (pdf Page 6 of 8):
“Thus, of these seven categories of documents, the only documents that would be material to the preparation of the defense are those which tend to show that the defendant’s conversations with government officials did or did not occur as alleged in the indictment.” - Judge Walton, 6/2/06
To which sentence there is this Footnote #4 appended:
“The government contends that production of documents of this nature may implicate grand jury secrecy rules. Gov’t’s Opp’n at 26. This Court is not in the position at this point to determine what documents, if any, are not subject to production pursuant to Fed. Crim. R. 6(e). If the government determines that there exist documents that are covered by Rule 6(e), it is welcome to seek a protective order from this Court pursuant to Rule 16(d).” [Bolding added.]
When I read this footnote, I read this as Judge Walton telling the government that should such a category of discoverable documents exist relating to Karl Rove (or others) which the government needs to keep from the defense at this time, the government should seek a protective order from the Court to do so, and to thereby deal with that contentious issue of discovery.
[Rule 6(e) has to do with permissible and impermissible recording and disclosing of the proceedings of a grand jury; and Rule 16(d) with regulating discovery (allowing, in particular, the submission of an ex parte statement to a judge which, if relief is granted, permits the judge to restrict or delay (or deny) the turnover to and inspection by the defense of specified items of discovery such as those covered by Rule 6(e).]
So I assume, with regard to Karl Rove, that any discoverable documents pursuant to Walton’s June 2nd order are either now quietly being handed over to the defense, or that the government is quietly seeking a protective order from Judge Walton to allow it to delay turning over any such discoverable grand jury-related documents until a later date.
Thanks so much Christy for the update about Jane’s Mom.
It’s just “easy does it,” here at the lake, one
minute,hourday at a time.Back to Rumsfeld — this “doesn’t do emails” is going to be every BushCo felons’ primary defense when dems get subpoena power this fall. Recall the discussions of Scooter’s unreadable handwriting. Odds are that there simply isn’t a record of any of the big guys ever being informed of anything — and after that Katrina videoconference tape finally got released, these guys are staying far away from any camera that’s taping a meeting.
That horrendous talking point about “only four Iraqi provinces” are in bad shape.
Ever see Al Anbar province, it is about half of Iraq.
-GSD
Rummy’s the one who writes standing up at a podium, right? Does he write with quill and ink, too? Not surprised he doesn’t “do” email.
Thanks for the good news on Jane’s mother. Hearts’ ease to their whole family.
So glad to hear the news, thanks, Christy.
My sister’s husband is in Iraq. She refers to rumsfailed as “The Donald.”
one of those pesky four ‘untamed’ provinces just happens to be BAGHDAD, the capital city with 6 million people …
So happy to have some hopeful news from Jane, Christy. Thanks. Let’s hope it’s all better days from here.
OT but very funny:
I was driving with my kids this afternoon. My daughter has a favorite song she likes to sing, to the tune of “When Johnny Comes Marching Home.” A sample lyric is
The ants go marching two by two hurrah hurrah
The ants go marching two by two hurrah hurrah
The ants go marching two by two
The little one stopped to tie his shoe…
It was all well and good until I heard
The ants go marching four by four
The little one stopped to see a whore
It took me a few seconds to process. “See a what?” I asked.
“A whore. What’s a whore?”
“Um…it’s a disreputable woman. Where did you get that?”
“I thought it was a pig.”
“No, honey. That’s a boar.” I was crying with suppressed laughter.
So she sang it with the new word and we laughed long and loud. She may or may not ask me what ‘disreputable’ means. I’ll be ready.
GSD @ 3:05 pm (#55) - Well, that’s a bit like saying Montana is one quarter of the West. Anbar is sparsely populated, and largely desert.
OTOH, one of the provinces that are in bad shape is Baghdad. That is important no matter how you look at it - one quarter of the population, national capitol, principle economic center, etc. It’s not safe for any foreigners once they leave the Green Zone. As *islon46201 keeps reminding us, they typically only have electricity a few hours a day.
Lotus, MommyB, Leslie in CA,
14, 15, 16 respectively
Thank you for your kind thoughts they are appreiciated. My guy is a USAF physician and will be flying on CCAT missions (critical care air transport) in Iraq. Our friends are mostly military physicians who share our political views. My take on the attitudes toward the ‘war’ by other military personnel is mostly determined by military job. In the hospital among staff I would say the split is about 50/50. Outside the hospital its’ about 65/35 split pro war. The Air force is slightly more progressive than the Army. We are stationed at an Army hospital that houses the Burn and Prostetics unit for all returning soldiers and the daily influx of horrifically injured soldiers has taken its toll on the staff. We have been here two years and I have seen a general shift away from support of the war.
“The Stars and Stripes” is the military rag that ’serves’ military personnel and is about as honest as nazi propaganda and as equivocal. I recommend the HBO doc “Bagdad ER” if you want a insider’s view. We have friends who appear that film and I think you get a sense of how people on the ground feel, the attitudes they bring home and how it affects the communities we live in. We both went to help NOLA after Kat and Rita and federal gov’t support for both the hurricanes and the war effort show a blatant disregard for all persons affected by these disasters. Support being defined as a ‘plan’ and actual material needs being met. If I can offer any information about what’s going on here I would be happy to assist, do not hestitate to ask and again, thank you all for your kindness and SUPPORT. BTW we just got our new assignment:Biloxi,Miss…the hits just keep on comin’…
DOH! Sorry bout that, Scout!
It’s OK angie it seems to happen quite often
I want to apologize for my unthinking use of the expression “cut off at the knees” above in #52, especially in a thread discussing Rumsfeld’s abuse of our military…
And I send my very best wishes across the miles to Jane’s mother and her whole family as they will her back to health.
HopeSAT, I can only speak for myself, but I’d welcome an opportunity to learn from a different perspective/give you an opportunity to vent and get some additional support, maybe deep in the night when your friends are asleep, while he’s gone. I’ve seen you on the last few threads but not much before. Were you a reader?
Scout -
You’re doing such great work. Hey, when we hugged in the flesh last year I shoulda asked for your autograph. LOL. Love ya!
jftb…thank you. Will I see you this year? Hope so
Scout -
No, I’m not going to Chicago. But I will go to another blogger’s conference at some point, for sure. Maybe even next years YKos. I’ll be in touch and hopefully we’ll have a reunion.
Keep up the great work. I’m so proud of you. Hugs.
jftb…Oh darn. We’ll miss ya
HopeSpringsATurtle - thanks so much for those insights. I do not get HBO but will see the documentary if it’s made available for rental.
In your opinion, is the ongoing support for the war (the 65/35 split) due more to misinformation, or their own need to believe in what they are doing, or just general conservatism? Or is it too hard to tell? Thanks for anything you can tell us; we want to know what’s really going on, and for all our troops to come home safely.
Janes’s mom!
Awesome post, Scout! My blood is still boiling!
EPU’d from the last thread, but on topic for this one (unless I screwed up again…). I’m new to this and somehow posted to the wrong thread. Aarrgghh!
Dexter says:
June 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Remember when Rumsfled said he’s “not in the intellegence business” either? WTF?
“When he was confronted the other day in Atlanta by CIA veteran Ray McGovern, Rumsfeld claimed he hadn’t lied about Iraqi WMD. He hadn’t lied, because he had been fooled by bad intelligence from the CIA. He hadn’t lied, because, Rumsfeld said, “I’m not in the intelligence business.” Which, of course, is itself a lie if there ever was one.”
http://www.pastpeak.com/archiv.....and_th.htm
This is funny! Thanks, PJ!
160 P J Evans says:
June 20th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
Dexter says:
June 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Of course he’s not in the intelligence business! You have to have intelligence to be in it.
[/snark]
Of course Rumsfeld and Chertoff don’t do email. So many are the reasons.
Rumsfeld doesn’t have anything to do with wartime intelligence.
Rumsfeld doesn’t have anything to do with wartime procurement.
Rumsfeld does have things to do with “combatant commanders” and serves as their “intermediary” with the WH.
Interesting. So none of the “combatant commanders” are involved with passing along intelligence and procurement needs and info either.
It can’t really get any sadder. Just more and more evil.
HopeSprings,
Thank God you have some friends who share your views. I’m thinking the military would be a pretty lonely place if you had no likeminded souls around.
The hospital I used to work at had 3 of its docs go off overseas. One’s back in the ER, one is back at his practice, and one is gone for the duration, I guess. At any rate he’s closed his practice here. We are not a big place, and we really missed our docs.
So if 80 percent of Iraq is secure, why doesn’t Dumbsfeld redeploy our troops from those areas into the areas that are still not secure? Because, as the administration wants so much to avoid acknowledging, the Iraqis are not even capable of defending a “secured” area?
HopeSAT, that’s fascinating that as many as 35% of the military may now be in the anti-war camp. Getting toward Vietnam-ish in that quotient too.
Headed to what’s left of Keesler, are you? Well, it used to be lovely along there. I haven’t seen it since Katrina but don’t suppose many scraps of that beauty are left. Maybe a live oak or two.
You may not have time to notice stuff like that once you get there. You-all are doing terrific work in awful circumstances, and we salute you. Please do share your load with us as often as you need to. It’ll help us feel that we’re doing some direct good for our military.
That goes to anyone else in uniform who’s here but not speaking yet. We’re here for you all, no matter how you feel about “Washington.”
80% of Iraq is UNINHABITED.
The rest (the part where the people live) - out of control.
They parse words so cleverly - this bunch.
They think we’re all too dumbed-down and pacified to take to the streets with pitchforks. They may be right.
And Welcome, Hope Springs a Turtle.
Glad you’re here. Big (manly) hugs to you and your family.
Glad to hear Jane’s mom is improving, and hoping to hear more news like that.
Christy, I am still interested in hearing what you have to say about “Sealed v. Sealed.” If you have already posted about it, a link would do. Thanks for all you do to keep us informed.
pow wow -
I think you have that right. Also, there had been earlier arguments regarding Rove’s actual GJ testimony and Walton at the time agreed that the pending GJ investigation issues mitigated in favor of keeping that testimony secret from Libby’s counsel at that point, but indicated then that he would be revisiting the issue.
lotus 78, well said.
‘Hey Dickie, you’re so fine, you’re so fine you blow up mines - hey DICKIE! Hey DICKIE!’
DarkBlack - ANOTHER WINNER!!!
Thank you, Leslie.
Teddy @ 29,
Really?
And, Feingold! Hope it’s all right to link to this—a take action kind of thing:
http://www.progressivepatriots.....ition/iraq
neurophius at 82 — I’ve talked about the possibilities a few times. The bottom line is that the DC circuit deals with a LOT more classified matters than the average Federal circuit, due to its proximity to federal agencies that deal in that sort of thing (so they have jurisdiction, etc.). It could be a civil matter that has settled but is maintaining sealed settlement information; it could be a criminal matter in any number of cases; etc. It is an unusual styling of the case, but considering the number of challenges that have been going on of late to various and sundry policies of the Bush Administration, including the NSA matters, CIFA and others, I can think of a large number of scenarios that could fit something like that. I know a case number has floated around but, in all honesty, I haven’t been able to independently verify anything on that — and, as has been my policy all along, I can neither confirm nor deny any accuracy on that.
All this to say, it’s useless to try and say what it could be from my vantage point, because it really is only speculation. None of my usual sources have any information on this, and I’m frankly hoping that Murray is digging into this. (Murray, if you happen to be reading…*g*)
Do I think it is a sealed pardon to an indictment that was already handed down by the grand jury? Honestly, I think that is very unlikely, because I doubt that all of the grand jurors involved would be able to keep altogether quiet if that happened and they were told of it. It’s difficult enough to maintain grand jury secrecy when they are just doing their duty day in and day out, but being thwarted in a manner that is weasely — well, that’s a horse of a different color, and one that I sincerely doubt all of the jurors would be able to hold in forever. The same with the attorneys and the investigators on the case.
So, I’m cautious, not speculating beyond what I’ve said here, and just waiting to see like everyone else. And, as always, if we get any information on the case, we will certainly pass it along to you guys immediately.
rawstory
Republican Senators (except Chafee) vote against investigation into awards and handling of military contracts and procurements for Aghanistand and Iraq wars.
Guess no one cares about the missing 9 bill here, the faulty body armor there, the humvee misrpes, the extra billions missing from there, two hundred thousand missing assault weapons, etc.
More important things to worry about. After all, Karl Rove has a memo they have to read.
And oh yeah, the Pentagon is busy busy busy busy with pro-war talking point prep. Waaaaaay to busy to do efficient war intell and efficient war procurement.
Priorities.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0620.html
How pathetic does it have to get?
great news about Jane’s mom, thanks Christy !
HSAT - Welcome to da Lake - looking forward to your adding to the fab discourse - although I see upthread you already have
Scout - welcome back - am in one of those scandal fatigue phases which makes me appreciate your tenacity and truth all the more
Mary,
saw that vote tally too - can Rockefeller still use pain meds as an excuse ?!?!?
Thanks, Christy.
And Murray Waas, if you are listening, we need your help on this!
And why are we developing new landmines?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0619.html
This is horrible.
Deep breaths….
Coffee and cheap wine, Mary, jes’ a leetle.
Hang in here, darlin’.
cbl…thank you. I think Katrina and what is happening in NOLA and the Gulf Coast are very important in so many ways. It continues to demonstrate the neglect and inefectiveness of government. And I think it is just Wrong. It should matter to Americans for that reason and as I don’t believe we are any better prepared for another catastrophic disaster next time it could be anyone of us.
Margot– already blew my obligatory gasket over that today. I am furious.
Just in with wolfie on CNN: military probe find 2 US soldiers killed by Iraqi officers… not the ones found today…
tit for tat.
No Truman- like Commission for us, we don’t need to account for any steenkin’ tax dollars.
“When the government’s boot is on your throat,
whether it is a LEFT boot or
a RIGHT boot -
is of no consequence.” Gary Lloyd
WAKE UP AMERICA! The criminals divide and conquer - while good Americans argue with each other over the latest Corporate owned media Fascist statements!!!
HAD ENOUGH?
angie: did you really mean to say “2 US soldiers killed by Iraqi officers”? Do you mean officers in the Iraqi security forces, or do you mean insurgents?
lotus, did you see this?:
Mary @ 90
Combine that with the outrage yesterday at the reports of Katrina relief dollars spent at Hooters, casinos, and other questionable activities, and it gets even more pathetic.
Worry about poor folks cheatin’ the guvmint? Damn straight - hang ‘em high from the tree in front of the courthouse!
Worry about military contractors padding the expense accounts and skimming from the taxpayers? Naah, that’s just the cost of doing business.
November can’t come soon enough.
Iraqi government soldiers killed 2 American troops in June 2004, not “anti-Iraqi insurgents”.
the new slogan? As they stand up, we get shot down…
I saw wolf report that 2 soldiers were killed by Iraqi troops– he said previously it was thought it was by other means. I really think it said Iraqi officers, could have been troops. But it had nothing to do with the 2 that were MIA and found dead. Nothing on the website.
Hardball Screen Graphic:
Cut n Run ? or Stay the Course ?
*ilson, that is shocking. And angie, I did not mean to question your accuracy, just wanted to be sure that was what you meant, as I had not heard that news.
What are we fighting for?
cbl….cut n run…right out of Repub talking points. Good one Nora
I think this blogger’s view would fit well here. Except, check his bio.
http://tinyurl.com/nvhzo
Oh, and if he and Suskind and MSNBC are accurate, I wonder if John Yoo knows any good defense lawyers.
neurophius– I would never take it that way; my brain is mostly scrambling anyhoo. ;)
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson just said “cut and run” and Noron repeated it. Where in the hell did that phrase come from? (Noron just repeated it again). I understand the “run” part, but what is “cut” supposed to insinuate? In any event, it is a Republican talking point, and the media has no business using it.
neurophius, I would love to see the media dispense with Republican talking points. I would probably faint from the shock, but it would be worth it.
Peterr - I’m feeling fatalistic about November.
Fatalistic in general.
Sad for too many people, angry over too many actions and inactions.
Noron just quoted something Cheney said on Fox Radio. I suppose listening to Fox is one way for a reporter to do her job…
posted on the wrong thread:
angie says
June 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
btw, the deaths of the soldiers happened in 2004 — new update. they are reassuring us that it has no bearing on the Iraqi forces today.
I hate that I cannot believe anything I hear.
Christy, please look for another email from me. Sorry, but I believe I made an error. Brain not working well today. Needed more sleep.
Ghostman,
If you are in the house,
I let you an answer to your question about suing Rove civilly, down at the bottom of the last thread.