
[This is another great guest post from Scout Prime from First Draft. Accountability is sorely lacking for the entire Bush Administration -- most of all, perhaps, for Donald Rumsfeld. Thanks so much to Scout for shedding some light on his role in this. -- CHS]
Don Rumsfeld has flown under the Katrina Blame Radar and not rightly so. I always imagined that if he would have been truly called to account for his inaction he’d probably say something to the effect that he was too busy fighting wars to be engaged in responding to a storm. A Washington Post article today gives some insight into Rumsfeld’s perceived priorities which would likely support my imagined scenario.
Through a FOIA request The Post obtained a previously deleted transcript from a 2005 Senate hearing on a tanker lease scandal which included this….
The topic was the largest defense procurement scandal in recent decades, and the two investigators for the Pentagon’s inspector general in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s office on April 1, 2005, asked the secretary to raise his hand and swear to tell the truth.
Rumsfeld agreed but complained. "I find it strange," he said to the investigators, on the grounds that as a government official "the laws apply to me" anyway.
It was a bumpy start to an odd interview, as Rumsfeld cited poor memory, loose office procedures, and a general distraction with "the wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan to explain why he was unsure how his department came to nearly squander $30 billion leasing several hundred new tanker aircraft that its own experts had decided were not needed.
SNIP
But the scandal never tarnished Rumsfeld, and in the previously undisclosed interview, conducted with principal Deputy General Counsel Daniel J. Dell’Orto at his side, the defense secretary makes clear that he does wars, not defense procurement. As a result, he could not recollect details of what subordinates told him about the tanker lease or what he said to them.(emphasis mine)
Yes, he does wars. That is about how I would have imagined Rumsfeld to have explained his disengagement regarding Katrina which was on a par with guitar playing Bush, fly fishing Cheney and shoe shopping Condi. Here again it never tarnished Rumsfeld as it should have.
Under the National Response Plan as head of the Department of Defense, Rumsfeld’s role in disaster response would have begun accordingly….
Initial requests for assistance are made to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, Executive Secretariat. If approved by the Secretary of Defense, DOD designates a supported combatant commander for the response. The supported combatant commander determines the appropriate level of command and control for each response and usually directs a senior military officer to deploy to the incident site.
In the crucial days of Katrina however Rumsfeld was not engaged in disaster response. Where was Rumsfeld? On Monday August 29 he was in St. Louis speaking to a group of conservationists. There was no mention of Katrina though ironically he closed his speech with……..
With new partnerships, the Department of Defense is seeking to fulfill a mission that is as old as the military. In the spirit of Theodore Roosevelt, and on the order of our Commander and Chief, George W. Bush, the United States Armed Forces can and will continue to work to protect America — both our lands, as well as our fellow citizens.
He then went on to Fort Irwin California to speak to the troops. (See above photo for Rumsfeld’s look of concern and care. Classy. – CHS)
On Tuesday August 30 Rumsfeld was in San Diego with Bush. There is no evidence he jammed with the guitar playing Bush though.
So who was minding the shop? According to Sen. Lieberman’s press release of Feb. 9 entitled “MILITARY ROLE IN KATRINA RESPONSE SEEMED COBBLED TOGETHER”………
On Tuesday of Katrina’s week one, the military recognized that the rescue of the Gulf Coast was uncertain and foundering under the administration of the Department of Homeland Security. We are especially indebted to Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England, who, because he was watching Katrina’s impact on television, concluded that troops and equipment needed to be deployed immediately without the normal paperwork. (emphasis mine)
So as a result of watching TV the Deputy Secretary of Defense kicked-started the military response. This is allowed under the National Response Plan. (errr the Deputy part not the TV part) But the military response was slowed. In fact recently Michael Brown had this to say of the military’s response…
Brown said he also should have "gone public" when his agency didn’t get the response he needed from the Defense Department and military for help. His biggest mistake was not leveling with the American public like he should have, he said.
The House committee which investigated Katrina had subpoenaed Rumsfeld’s communications last December. In the end they never received them.
When it came to documentation of how Secretaries Michael Chertoff and Donald Rumsfeld responded to Katrina, however, congressional investigators got a different answer from the administration. The House committee established to investigate Katrina was “informed that neither Secretary Chertoff nor Secretary Rumsfeld use e-mail,”
[Snip]
The Democrats’ report added that despite investigators’ requests for other documentation, “We received no other records we requested, such as phone logs, e-mail records of assistants, or other internal communications that would show how Secretary Chertoff and Secretary Rumsfeld received information, communicated with other government officials, or gave orders.”
Donald Rumsfeld will never be officially held to account for his role in the Katrina debacle. He may be one who walks between the raindrops, a not so special a feat in today’s Washington, though Rumsfeld executes it better than anyone. However his name and portrait ought rightly be added to the Katrina Hall of Shame in our public mind.
UPDATE: Here’s some updated library information from Scout Prime. I appended some inaccurate information to a prior post that I had received from another blogger — and I wanted to be certain that we corrected it for everyone. — CHS
One very important thing you can do is go to this levees.org link to send an e-letter to your reps on the need for better levees. To donate to Levees.org
Another good group you can donate to is the Urban Conservancy which supports local businesses, neighborhoods and planning efforts. The Children’s Defense Fund (Donate Here) and the Children’s Health Fund (Donate Here) are doing great work with kids. There are an alarming number of kids with mental health issues.
These would be great ones to donate For those wanting to keep the music alive in NOLA is the New Orleans Musician’s Clinic. They are innovative in that they are addressing the health care needs of musicians and their families Donations can be made here
To donate to the NOLA Library go to this link .
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FitZ!
Christy, sent you an email earlier, not sure right address.
Is FDL available in IV form? sheesh.
Syriana is out today on DVD.
Frontline is must watching tonight on PBS.
Suskind is on the Sit Room.
BuzZz the popular culture…if we can get the sheeple to watch/hear, we can make them stakeholders…and voters.
Scout Prime!!!
and Rumsfeld doesn’t do Afghanistan or Iraq too well either …
ck!!!
*ilson46201 at 4…and that too
Hi you, Scout, how’s yer maw an’ them?!
Welcome back!
While watching Fog of War the other day, I was reminded of how much Rumsfeld looks like McNamara (sp?) and how the newspapers described McNamara and Rumsfeld almost identically – arrogant, hardheaded. And yet, I wish Rumsfeld had just a squoshe of McNamara’s integrity. He tried to tell them…
Thanks, Scout. So many crimes, so little time being done by any of the perpetrators. Will be doing my part to win in November.
*ilson, Rummy’s like the rest of the Cheneybush crime syndicate – generally incompetent. Is there anything he does do well, besides rambling obfuscations?
Leslie, he’s pretty good at snapping the noses off reporters, but other than that … eh, not so much.
hi lotus
mommybrain…I was making that same comparison in my mind as I watched Fog of War
Thank you Christy for never dropping the ball. I must say that reading FDL makes me so angry I can barely stand it but I am ever grateful for the information. Rummy should be hamstrung by his gonads alas, he has none. It still amazes me that the troops act so glad to see that murderer who puts them in harms way as pawns. We are active duty military and my hubby leaves for Iraq in 22 days. We, like ALL of our active duty friends HATE this criminal administration and the treason they commit daily. Long Live FDL!
HopeSpringsATurtle (great name, btw) — absolute best of luck to your husband!
I don’t mean to steer things too far away from NOLA, but do you have any sense of how much of the whole forces may be agreeing with your immediate circle by now? Is the Army newspaper (sorry, forget its name) or any similar sources you may have showing ferment?
HopeSpringsATurtle – First of all, let me say how much your name makes me smile. What a mental image!
Please give our best to your husband. I’ll keep him in my thoughts until you say he’s home. He’s a real patriot.
HopeSprings, I love your username! I will be hoping for your husband’s safe return. Thanks for chiming in.
Are you there, shoephone? In case you missed it, I apologize to you and all righteous Mickies for having slipped y’all to Ron Suskind. Seriously, one should be more careful with one’s speech.
(Someday, perhaps when we meet at a future ykos or fdl convention and you find out my real name, you will wonder where my head was.)
Noron is such a tool…someones been eating her republiwheaties.
“Cut and run” or “stay the course” was the graphic just displayed. Talk about framing. Does anyone else expect MSNBC to become as blantantly right wing as Fox under that idiot Pig vomit–excuse me, Abrams–didn’t I hear his dad was a supporter of the Libby fund? Anyone think his first job is to bring KO in line? How long do you think Countdown will last?
BREAKING NEWS
missing Rummy Katrina e-mail found:
somebody here with us in dago city told me to turn on the tv and watch what’s going on in nolaland. I’m too busy trying to find some drums so I can play with the big guy when he gets that cool guitar after his dipshit speech on the carrier (that’s right – another dipshit speech on another carrier by chimpy boy. sheeesh!)
I’m not gonna turn on the tv. what I know and don’t know are at least two different things. who cares about nola, anyway? if I turn the tv on, I’ll be shown the same pictures of the same dark-skinned welfare queens screaming their heads off over and over and over. send ‘em some vases from the baghdad museum for all I care. Besides, you go to a hurricane with the levees you have, not the levees you wish you had. and besides again, I’ve gotta go to that shop where we make All the bulletproof vests. what jerks! they want us to let them hire a couple dozen more people so they can go to three shifts. I say ten people is more than enough. The dukester agrees. I think I just saw him getting a brown paper bag from the owner………
…the defense secretary makes clear that he does wars, not defense procurement.
That about nails why we are so f*cked. It’s not just him, it’s all of ‘em:
We do politics, not government.
Ed*ard Teller…LOL
mommybrain 20 –
Nail, meet hammer.
OT: “Why Neil Young is Wrong: http://progressive.org/mag_smith0706″
Since FDL did earlier posts helping the Dixie Chicks I figured you might be interested in helping out a lot of lesser-knowns.
Like Neil, I too wondered (with Michael Franti and Steve Earle as notable exceptions) where all the angry rockers have been hiding. Now I know.
mommybrain at 20…I’ve always thought Bush is all about campaigning and Zero interest/cability for governance
Leslie in CA – Wham.
Scout: Yes, we only hear about his political advisor; we never hear about his policy advisors.
Hey all — and apologies for the OT Scout — just spoke with Jane a few minutes ago and got some good news. They are moving Jane’s mom out of the ICU and into a regular room. She’s stabilized a bit for the moment, and Jane sounded very much relieved. They are still cautious, but it’s the first good news they’ve gotten in days. Thought I would pass it along to everyone. Jane says hello, and that she’ll stop in and say hi to everyone when she can — she needs a FDL fix, too. :)
CHS that is good news. Glad to hear it.
I sent you an email
Dan Abrams’ pa is Floyd, attorney to The Queen of All Iraq, Scooter’s aspen-connected Judy….
Best to our Jane and her ma!
That’s good news, Redd!
Christy:
Got here just in time to hear the good news about Jane’s Mom. I know it’s probably the last thing on her mind, but hope Jane is taking care of herself too.
Keep up with the white light to Jane and her Mom!
Hang in there, Jane. Love and light to you all.
{{Hi Teddy}}
OT– Susskind just said on wolf that the US deliberately bombed Al-Jazeera hq. Well, what does that say about us???
CIA says they knew nothing about it acc to Ensore– it sounds as though the military did it all by themselves…….
sh*t.
Yer doin a heck of a job, Scoutie.
Great news on the Jane’s mom front – hang in there, ladies!
Christy, nice kludge for the guest authorship problem *g*.
Christy, thanks for the update! Hang in there, Jane – we’re all pulling for your mom and you.
hey there Kenosha Kid!
op99 — if I could just figure out how to fix the damn software, I could do authorship at the top. But I’m terrified I’ll screw up the whole blog if I try. *g* So that was the best solution that I could come up with for now. ;-)
“Noron is such a tool%u2026someones been eating her republiwheaties.”
She also used a long ago debunked republic talking point.
Paraphrasing…
Noron: 80% 0f Iraq is secure. Why can’t we secure the remaining 20%?
Barry McCaffrey: If never been convinced that 80% of Iraq is secure, at all.
80% of Iraq in uninhabited.
Ot Don’t forget tonight on PBS – Dick Cheney’s dark side.
Oh that is good news indeed, Christy and thank you for passing it on! More healing thoughts her way!
Scout– what a great post!!!!!!! Rumsfeld is indeed responsible for his filthy part. I hear the National Guard is there now to help with the crime wave y’all are experiencing. What a continuing tragedy.
Great news about Mom!
angie…I don’t line in Louisiana. People often think I do. but I don’t.
But yes they called up the Guard. I think all in all it was a good thing to do. They probaly never should have left
Ahh that should have been Live… as in don’t live in LA at #45
Hey Scout — I completely forgot to do an update on the LA library information from the other day. If you have the info handy and can post it, I’ll append it to this post and the other one as well on the monetary donation needs. Thanks! (Man, my brain is like a sieve these days…)
CHS..I’ll get it and mail it ok
MB, what Rummy does best is bureaucratic infighting. He might be the best of our times. Just ask Colin Powell, who prolly has a hard time getting thru airport security because of all the metal still in his back.
When the history of this cabal is written, Rummy and his protege Cheney will be at the epicenter of the evil.
Yay, a Jane update! Please send her all our best.
And while I’m here, thanks for the great news about Jane’s mom! I’m sure she’s proud of and greatful for her daughters.
Seems to me that the Congressional investigation necessary for the possible impeachment of Donald Rumsfeld needs to start getting underway… Firing is way too good for that guy.
There’s something I’d like to highlight from Judge Walton’s June 2nd Order in the Libby case, which – at least as I read it – pertains directly to Karl Rove and certain documents related to him which may be discoverable. As emptywheel, Jeralyn and Christy and Jane are aware, the Libby defense has been agitating for documents related to Rove to be turned over to them, in spite of the ongoing government investigation. And this despite the fact that Special Counsel Fitzgerald has made it clear that the government does not plan on calling Rove as a witness in the Libby trial. [The defense may or may not call Rove as a witness.]
Judge Walton held off on ruling specifically regarding Rove, until his June 2nd Order, which actually cut off at the knees many of the avenues for such Rove-related discovery. However, there is at least one possible avenue of discovery still available to Libby, as Walton ruled here in his June 2nd order (pdf Page 6 of 8):
“Thus, of these seven categories of documents, the only documents that would be material to the preparation of the defense are those which tend to show that the defendant’s conversations with government officials did or did not occur as alleged in the indictment.” – Judge Walton, 6/2/06
To which sentence there is this Footnote #4 appended:
“The government contends that production of documents of this nature may implicate grand jury secrecy rules. Gov’t’s Opp’n at 26. This Court is not in the position at this point to determine what documents, if any, are not subject to production pursuant to Fed. Crim. R. 6(e). If the government determines that there exist documents that are covered by Rule 6(e), it is welcome to seek a protective order from this Court pursuant to Rule 16(d).” [Bolding added.]
When I read this footnote, I read this as Judge Walton telling the government that should such a category of discoverable documents exist relating to Karl Rove (or others) which the government needs to keep from the defense at this time, the government should seek a protective order from the Court to do so, and to thereby deal with that contentious issue of discovery.
[Rule 6(e) has to do with permissible and impermissible recording and disclosing of the proceedings of a grand jury; and Rule 16(d) with regulating discovery (allowing, in particular, the submission of an ex parte statement to a judge which, if relief is granted, permits the judge to restrict or delay (or deny) the turnover to and inspection by the defense of specified items of discovery such as those covered by Rule 6(e).]
So I assume, with regard to Karl Rove, that any discoverable documents pursuant to Walton’s June 2nd order are either now quietly being handed over to the defense, or that the government is quietly seeking a protective order from Judge Walton to allow it to delay turning over any such discoverable grand jury-related documents until a later date.
Thanks so much Christy for the update about Jane’s Mom.
It’s just “easy does it,” here at the lake, one
minute,hourday at a time.Back to Rumsfeld — this “doesn’t do emails” is going to be every BushCo felons’ primary defense when dems get subpoena power this fall. Recall the discussions of Scooter’s unreadable handwriting. Odds are that there simply isn’t a record of any of the big guys ever being informed of anything — and after that Katrina videoconference tape finally got released, these guys are staying far away from any camera that’s taping a meeting.
That horrendous talking point about “only four Iraqi provinces” are in bad shape.
Ever see Al Anbar province, it is about half of Iraq.
-GSD
Rummy’s the one who writes standing up at a podium, right? Does he write with quill and ink, too? Not surprised he doesn’t “do” email.
Thanks for the good news on Jane’s mother. Hearts’ ease to their whole family.
So glad to hear the news, thanks, Christy.
My sister’s husband is in Iraq. She refers to rumsfailed as “The Donald.”
one of those pesky four ‘untamed’ provinces just happens to be BAGHDAD, the capital city with 6 million people …
So happy to have some hopeful news from Jane, Christy. Thanks. Let’s hope it’s all better days from here.
OT but very funny:
I was driving with my kids this afternoon. My daughter has a favorite song she likes to sing, to the tune of “When Johnny Comes Marching Home.” A sample lyric is
The ants go marching two by two hurrah hurrah
The ants go marching two by two hurrah hurrah
The ants go marching two by two
The little one stopped to tie his shoe…
It was all well and good until I heard
The ants go marching four by four
The little one stopped to see a whore
It took me a few seconds to process. “See a what?” I asked.
“A whore. What’s a whore?”
“Um…it’s a disreputable woman. Where did you get that?”
“I thought it was a pig.”
“No, honey. That’s a boar.” I was crying with suppressed laughter.
So she sang it with the new word and we laughed long and loud. She may or may not ask me what ‘disreputable’ means. I’ll be ready.
GSD @ 3:05 pm (#55) – Well, that’s a bit like saying Montana is one quarter of the West. Anbar is sparsely populated, and largely desert.
OTOH, one of the provinces that are in bad shape is Baghdad. That is important no matter how you look at it – one quarter of the population, national capitol, principle economic center, etc. It’s not safe for any foreigners once they leave the Green Zone. As *islon46201 keeps reminding us, they typically only have electricity a few hours a day.
Lotus, MommyB, Leslie in CA,
14, 15, 16 respectively
Thank you for your kind thoughts they are appreiciated. My guy is a USAF physician and will be flying on CCAT missions (critical care air transport) in Iraq. Our friends are mostly military physicians who share our political views. My take on the attitudes toward the ‘war’ by other military personnel is mostly determined by military job. In the hospital among staff I would say the split is about 50/50. Outside the hospital its’ about 65/35 split pro war. The Air force is slightly more progressive than the Army. We are stationed at an Army hospital that houses the Burn and Prostetics unit for all returning soldiers and the daily influx of horrifically injured soldiers has taken its toll on the staff. We have been here two years and I have seen a general shift away from support of the war.
“The Stars and Stripes” is the military rag that ’serves’ military personnel and is about as honest as nazi propaganda and as equivocal. I recommend the HBO doc “Bagdad ER” if you want a insider’s view. We have friends who appear that film and I think you get a sense of how people on the ground feel, the attitudes they bring home and how it affects the communities we live in. We both went to help NOLA after Kat and Rita and federal gov’t support for both the hurricanes and the war effort show a blatant disregard for all persons affected by these disasters. Support being defined as a ‘plan’ and actual material needs being met. If I can offer any information about what’s going on here I would be happy to assist, do not hestitate to ask and again, thank you all for your kindness and SUPPORT. BTW we just got our new assignment:Biloxi,Miss…the hits just keep on comin’…
DOH! Sorry bout that, Scout!
It’s OK angie it seems to happen quite often
I want to apologize for my unthinking use of the expression “cut off at the knees” above in #52, especially in a thread discussing Rumsfeld’s abuse of our military…
And I send my very best wishes across the miles to Jane’s mother and her whole family as they will her back to health.
HopeSAT, I can only speak for myself, but I’d welcome an opportunity to learn from a different perspective/give you an opportunity to vent and get some additional support, maybe deep in the night when your friends are asleep, while he’s gone. I’ve seen you on the last few threads but not much before. Were you a reader?
Scout -
You’re doing such great work. Hey, when we hugged in the flesh last year I shoulda asked for your autograph. LOL. Love ya!
jftb…thank you. Will I see you this year? Hope so
Scout -
No, I’m not going to Chicago. But I will go to another blogger’s conference at some point, for sure. Maybe even next years YKos. I’ll be in touch and hopefully we’ll have a reunion.
Keep up the great work. I’m so proud of you. Hugs.
jftb…Oh darn. We’ll miss ya
HopeSpringsATurtle – thanks so much for those insights. I do not get HBO but will see the documentary if it’s made available for rental.
In your opinion, is the ongoing support for the war (the 65/35 split) due more to misinformation, or their own need to believe in what they are doing, or just general conservatism? Or is it too hard to tell? Thanks for anything you can tell us; we want to know what’s really going on, and for all our troops to come home safely.
Janes’s mom!
Awesome post, Scout! My blood is still boiling!
EPU’d from the last thread, but on topic for this one (unless I screwed up again…). I’m new to this and somehow posted to the wrong thread. Aarrgghh!
Dexter says:
June 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Remember when Rumsfled said he’s “not in the intellegence business” either? WTF?
“When he was confronted the other day in Atlanta by CIA veteran Ray McGovern, Rumsfeld claimed he hadn’t lied about Iraqi WMD. He hadn’t lied, because he had been fooled by bad intelligence from the CIA. He hadn’t lied, because, Rumsfeld said, “I’m not in the intelligence business.” Which, of course, is itself a lie if there ever was one.”
http://www.pastpeak.com/archiv…..and_th.htm
This is funny! Thanks, PJ!
160 P J Evans says:
June 20th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
Dexter says:
June 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Of course he’s not in the intelligence business! You have to have intelligence to be in it.
[/snark]
Of course Rumsfeld and Chertoff don’t do email. So many are the reasons.
Rumsfeld doesn’t have anything to do with wartime intelligence.
Rumsfeld doesn’t have anything to do with wartime procurement.
Rumsfeld does have things to do with “combatant commanders” and serves as their “intermediary” with the WH.
Interesting. So none of the “combatant commanders” are involved with passing along intelligence and procurement needs and info either.
It can’t really get any sadder. Just more and more evil.
HopeSprings,
Thank God you have some friends who share your views. I’m thinking the military would be a pretty lonely place if you had no likeminded souls around.
The hospital I used to work at had 3 of its docs go off overseas. One’s back in the ER, one is back at his practice, and one is gone for the duration, I guess. At any rate he’s closed his practice here. We are not a big place, and we really missed our docs.
So if 80 percent of Iraq is secure, why doesn’t Dumbsfeld redeploy our troops from those areas into the areas that are still not secure? Because, as the administration wants so much to avoid acknowledging, the Iraqis are not even capable of defending a “secured” area?
HopeSAT, that’s fascinating that as many as 35% of the military may now be in the anti-war camp. Getting toward Vietnam-ish in that quotient too.
Headed to what’s left of Keesler, are you? Well, it used to be lovely along there. I haven’t seen it since Katrina but don’t suppose many scraps of that beauty are left. Maybe a live oak or two.
You may not have time to notice stuff like that once you get there. You-all are doing terrific work in awful circumstances, and we salute you. Please do share your load with us as often as you need to. It’ll help us feel that we’re doing some direct good for our military.
That goes to anyone else in uniform who’s here but not speaking yet. We’re here for you all, no matter how you feel about “Washington.”
80% of Iraq is UNINHABITED.
The rest (the part where the people live) – out of control.
They parse words so cleverly – this bunch.
They think we’re all too dumbed-down and pacified to take to the streets with pitchforks. They may be right.
And Welcome, Hope Springs a Turtle.
Glad you’re here. Big (manly) hugs to you and your family.
Glad to hear Jane’s mom is improving, and hoping to hear more news like that.
Christy, I am still interested in hearing what you have to say about “Sealed v. Sealed.” If you have already posted about it, a link would do. Thanks for all you do to keep us informed.
pow wow –
I think you have that right. Also, there had been earlier arguments regarding Rove’s actual GJ testimony and Walton at the time agreed that the pending GJ investigation issues mitigated in favor of keeping that testimony secret from Libby’s counsel at that point, but indicated then that he would be revisiting the issue.
lotus 78, well said.
‘Hey Dickie, you’re so fine, you’re so fine you blow up mines – hey DICKIE! Hey DICKIE!’
DarkBlack – ANOTHER WINNER!!!
Thank you, Leslie.
Teddy @ 29,
Really?
And, Feingold! Hope it’s all right to link to this—a take action kind of thing:
http://www.progressivepatriots…..ition/iraq
neurophius at 82 — I’ve talked about the possibilities a few times. The bottom line is that the DC circuit deals with a LOT more classified matters than the average Federal circuit, due to its proximity to federal agencies that deal in that sort of thing (so they have jurisdiction, etc.). It could be a civil matter that has settled but is maintaining sealed settlement information; it could be a criminal matter in any number of cases; etc. It is an unusual styling of the case, but considering the number of challenges that have been going on of late to various and sundry policies of the Bush Administration, including the NSA matters, CIFA and others, I can think of a large number of scenarios that could fit something like that. I know a case number has floated around but, in all honesty, I haven’t been able to independently verify anything on that — and, as has been my policy all along, I can neither confirm nor deny any accuracy on that.
All this to say, it’s useless to try and say what it could be from my vantage point, because it really is only speculation. None of my usual sources have any information on this, and I’m frankly hoping that Murray is digging into this. (Murray, if you happen to be reading…*g*)
Do I think it is a sealed pardon to an indictment that was already handed down by the grand jury? Honestly, I think that is very unlikely, because I doubt that all of the grand jurors involved would be able to keep altogether quiet if that happened and they were told of it. It’s difficult enough to maintain grand jury secrecy when they are just doing their duty day in and day out, but being thwarted in a manner that is weasely — well, that’s a horse of a different color, and one that I sincerely doubt all of the jurors would be able to hold in forever. The same with the attorneys and the investigators on the case.
So, I’m cautious, not speculating beyond what I’ve said here, and just waiting to see like everyone else. And, as always, if we get any information on the case, we will certainly pass it along to you guys immediately.
rawstory
Republican Senators (except Chafee) vote against investigation into awards and handling of military contracts and procurements for Aghanistand and Iraq wars.
Guess no one cares about the missing 9 bill here, the faulty body armor there, the humvee misrpes, the extra billions missing from there, two hundred thousand missing assault weapons, etc.
More important things to worry about. After all, Karl Rove has a memo they have to read.
And oh yeah, the Pentagon is busy busy busy busy with pro-war talking point prep. Waaaaaay to busy to do efficient war intell and efficient war procurement.
Priorities.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0620.html
How pathetic does it have to get?
great news about Jane’s mom, thanks Christy !
HSAT – Welcome to da Lake – looking forward to your adding to the fab discourse – although I see upthread you already have
Scout – welcome back – am in one of those scandal fatigue phases which makes me appreciate your tenacity and truth all the more
Mary,
saw that vote tally too – can Rockefeller still use pain meds as an excuse ?!?!?
Thanks, Christy.
And Murray Waas, if you are listening, we need your help on this!
And why are we developing new landmines?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0619.html
This is horrible.
Deep breaths….
Coffee and cheap wine, Mary, jes’ a leetle.
Hang in here, darlin’.
cbl…thank you. I think Katrina and what is happening in NOLA and the Gulf Coast are very important in so many ways. It continues to demonstrate the neglect and inefectiveness of government. And I think it is just Wrong. It should matter to Americans for that reason and as I don’t believe we are any better prepared for another catastrophic disaster next time it could be anyone of us.
Margot– already blew my obligatory gasket over that today. I am furious.
Just in with wolfie on CNN: military probe find 2 US soldiers killed by Iraqi officers… not the ones found today…
tit for tat.
No Truman- like Commission for us, we don’t need to account for any steenkin’ tax dollars.
“When the government’s boot is on your throat,
whether it is a LEFT boot or
a RIGHT boot -
is of no consequence.” Gary Lloyd
WAKE UP AMERICA! The criminals divide and conquer – while good Americans argue with each other over the latest Corporate owned media Fascist statements!!!
HAD ENOUGH?
angie: did you really mean to say “2 US soldiers killed by Iraqi officers”? Do you mean officers in the Iraqi security forces, or do you mean insurgents?
lotus, did you see this?:
Mary @ 90
Combine that with the outrage yesterday at the reports of Katrina relief dollars spent at Hooters, casinos, and other questionable activities, and it gets even more pathetic.
Worry about poor folks cheatin’ the guvmint? Damn straight – hang ‘em high from the tree in front of the courthouse!
Worry about military contractors padding the expense accounts and skimming from the taxpayers? Naah, that’s just the cost of doing business.
November can’t come soon enough.
Iraqi government soldiers killed 2 American troops in June 2004, not “anti-Iraqi insurgents”.
the new slogan? As they stand up, we get shot down…
I saw wolf report that 2 soldiers were killed by Iraqi troops– he said previously it was thought it was by other means. I really think it said Iraqi officers, could have been troops. But it had nothing to do with the 2 that were MIA and found dead. Nothing on the website.
Hardball Screen Graphic:
Cut n Run ? or Stay the Course ?
*ilson, that is shocking. And angie, I did not mean to question your accuracy, just wanted to be sure that was what you meant, as I had not heard that news.
What are we fighting for?
cbl….cut n run…right out of Repub talking points. Good one Nora
I think this blogger’s view would fit well here. Except, check his bio.
http://tinyurl.com/nvhzo
Oh, and if he and Suskind and MSNBC are accurate, I wonder if John Yoo knows any good defense lawyers.
neurophius– I would never take it that way; my brain is mostly scrambling anyhoo. ;)
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson just said “cut and run” and Noron repeated it. Where in the hell did that phrase come from? (Noron just repeated it again). I understand the “run” part, but what is “cut” supposed to insinuate? In any event, it is a Republican talking point, and the media has no business using it.
neurophius, I would love to see the media dispense with Republican talking points. I would probably faint from the shock, but it would be worth it.
Peterr – I’m feeling fatalistic about November.
Fatalistic in general.
Sad for too many people, angry over too many actions and inactions.
Noron just quoted something Cheney said on Fox Radio. I suppose listening to Fox is one way for a reporter to do her job…
posted on the wrong thread:
angie says
June 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
btw, the deaths of the soldiers happened in 2004 — new update. they are reassuring us that it has no bearing on the Iraqi forces today.
I hate that I cannot believe anything I hear.
Christy, please look for another email from me. Sorry, but I believe I made an error. Brain not working well today. Needed more sleep.
Ghostman,
If you are in the house,
I let you an answer to your question about suing Rove civilly, down at the bottom of the last thread.
Now, military expert Ken Mehlman says “cut and run”…I guess everyone got their talking points today.
after Kerry’s explanation on Imus this am
Noron: “Here to hash it out for all of you,
Ken Mehlman, Chairman.
unfriggin’ believable
MSRNC
Whoa, posted on the wrong thread and met with true ugliness. I have to thank you Christy for being here, as always.
Not a pretty thing, that.
Mehlman makes me want to puke. I shouldn’t be eating dinner right now. He compares the situation in Iraq today to the middle of World War II in terms of whether the U.S. should withdraw. Now he’s milking the two U.S. slain soldiers for emotional effect. Howard Dean just told him off–good for him.
Thanky, punaise 100 — no, I ain’t seed it, but I’m a-nippin’ rat ovah thar.
Noron and Mehlman both just said “cut and run” again. I thought about proposing to make this a drinking game, but if we had, I’d be passed out on the floor by now.
I’m saving myself for the Frontline Drinking Game involving the Dark Leader’s Dark Side.
neuro,
I’m afraid we’d be in the ER w/ alcohol poisoning before the hour is up
Suzanne…..that could be deadly
I’ve always preferred the “cut and walk away fast” option …
Bill Frist: “Cut and run.”
Noron: “Cut and run.”
lotus 100
don’t get too big for your britches, now, you hear? remember us little people….:~)
What about the “cut and then quickly pretend you’re on your cellphone” option?
Mary #111:
IMO, the greatest unreported story of the last week or so is that, despite the tsunami of propaganda via the M$M, the Bush bounce is no more than five points in any reputable poll. That’s one person in 20 who feels a little better now.
Sterling Newberry did an analysis at BOPnews (sorry, I don’t have a link handy) of Bush’s JARs, showing how each spike is followed by a decline beyond baseline. IIRC, the graph looks like a Christmas tree on its side. I bet after all the sound and fury, he’ll retest his all-time lows.
Meanwhile, I can’t help getting the sense that the weakness behind the mini-spike is that people are beginning to see the spin for what it is. There are enough narratives out there now – 9/11, Libby, Iraq, Katrina, jobs, inflation – that people are beginning to tie them together. What the talking heads are saying is diverging from everyday reality.
These guys were very clever about separating the war from most Americans needing to sacrifice – dumping that burden almost exclusively on military families – but the load’s starting to spread.
You’d never know it from the Cable Guys/Gals, but we’re the mainstream now!
Geez. Now “Democrats” (Bob Schrum) are saying “cut and run”–letting the Repugs define the terms of the debate.
Hey al-S @ 107
I think CR is one of the good guys
Check out what he says about Mr. X and The Long Telegram
This might be the money quote
He wasn’t pro-communism (I don’t think) but was pro-rationality, something this administration lacks in bunches
neuro,109:”Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson just said “cut and run” and Noron repeated it. Where in the hell did that phrase come from? (Noron just repeated it again). I understand the “run” part, but what is “cut” supposed to insinuate?”
In the phrase “cut and run,” the “cut” means cutting your losses and “run” obviously means quitting.
No doubt about it, “cut and run,” has strong negative connotations, including cowardice. That is why the Pubs love to use it in referring to any criticism. It is so much easier to imply that your opponents are losers and cowards than to deal with criticism honestly and objectively.
To adamantly oppose an orderly withdrawal and to “stay the course” in the face of insurmountable obstacles is often the strategy of a commander who puts a higher value on personal reputation than the general welfare. It can also come from an obsession with hollow or phyrric victory, in which one wins the battle but loses the war in the process. In the case of Iraq even if we “win” the cost will be felt by the country and the region for decades to come.
Republicans refuse to see this because they cannot admit being wrong. Its as simple as that. The Iraq war is no longer about ideology, democracy, or even oil — it is about the need to dominate. Therein lies the greatest peril to our nation since its founding.
“HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH KARL ROVE” ?!?!
Oh, y’all — c’mon — somebody — hol’ me up!
“Rumored to be” or elsewise, hit’s jes’ mor’n I kin deal wif . . .
From PRI’s Marketplace: today is “Pee on Earth” Day! Skip the toilet, recycle that nitrogen!
Geez, who knew? I do that every chance I get . . .
Oh, one more thing, back on topic. I find it hard to believe that the M$M will ignore all the editorial possibilities of “Katrina: One Year Later” a few, short weeks before the elections.
So, BushCo, how’s that cleanup an’ rebuildin’ goin’? Is Trent Lott back on the porch where he belongs?
And where’s Haley Barbour? He still runnin’ fo’ preznit?
lotus, what???
Leslie, lotus cain’t come to th’ foam — she bizzy bein’ sick. Go look fer y’seff.
al-Scooter…I’m sure they will all flock to the Gulf Coast during the anniversary week. It will be a good reminder to people.
orangejumpsuit 4:49 says:
“In the phrase “cut and run,” the “cut” means cutting your losses and “run” obviously means quitting.”
Thanks for pointing that out. I guess I should have been able to figure it out for myself. I wonder if the phrase has some historical context–a particular military retreat that was held to be cowardly? In any event, I am sick of hearing it and outraged that media people like Noron let it roll off their tongues so readily.
Now, we are hearing from Kate O’Bierne’s teeth. If she says “cut and run,” I’m going to send $10 to Ned Lamont.
Thas over the top of foamy, lotus. jest plain sick- making.
al-S 135: Remember, one year after the tsunami, when all the “missing” were declared dead? There are still a lot of “missing” from Katrina, so I think this one-year mark may be a sad one for many families. While it’s ripe for media focus, let’s hope the networks aren’t otherwise engaged in the Gulf this year at Labor Day….
John in Sac #131:
I’ve followed CR for a couple of years now. He definitely wears a white hat. I just wanted to point out that sane people of all persuasions are starting to assimilate and process some backstory, and that might not be good news for “history’s actors”.
And George Kennan provided the intellectual framework for the foreign policy that won the Cold War. He was a patriotic American, no doubt.
John Kerry’s new phrase is “lie and die.” Think we can teach Noron that one?
ck
From PRI’s Marketplace: today is “Pee on Earth” Day! Skip the toilet, recycle that nitrogen!
Geez, who knew? I do that every chance I get . .
not to be pissy, but shouldn’t that be “Gee, whiz”?
When the Republicans say “don’t cut and run,” the Democrats should say “this from the same folks who told us to hold on to our Enron stock.”
or
“That ‘cut and run’ business is the Republican smear talking point. Democrats want to start cleaning up the Bush Administration’s mess in Iraq before one more soldier dies. Republicans are more concerned with saving face than saving lives.”
OMG, should I just swear off Raw Story? That is raw, people. The article about the vote AGAINST an investigation of war PROFITEERING – I’m just aghast. There are fucking truckloads of evidence that the American public is being FLEECED like there is NO tomorrow and these wealthy, no sweat, full-of-themselves, criminal blowhards flaunt it in our faces. Where is the fucking outrage??????????? How low can these fops sink, taking everyone with them?
There are still 168 people missing from Louisiana.
And they found another body just the other day in NOLA. Person was in their home under some furniture
Rove is having an affair with Johnson? Does Jimmy/Jeff know?
LindaR
I really like your talking point No. 2. Now if we could just get the Democratic talking heads on TV to start using it…consistently…repeat as needed…
MommyB and Leslie (67 &72)
New to the Blogosphere been reading a few weeks, watched the YKOS feed and started to ‘talk’ a few days ago. I’ll try to address your questions to the best of my ability. There are things I can’t say because of security issues and other concerns but insofar as the troops what I think is most of them have a job to do and are try to grin and bear it. We know some Officers that are very gung-ho theo-cons and a number that just keep their mouths shut because of ‘career concerns’. The 65% pro-war military members range from neo-cons, mili-cons, to the lemming-like delusional creatures that inhabit the red states. Among our friends is where I find the most diversity and range of interesting opinions. So much of their time is taken up by work that they know very little about the politics of this debacle. The doctors who have to put these casualties back together have ethical rather than politcal concerns about the war. This seems to me to be an “easy in” for opening dialogue among military personnel about the POLITICS of the war. We KNOW that people vote their personal interests and we know that Americans can be very compassionate and helpful when touched by disaster, why not use that as a springboard to mobilizing a genuine movement to the left in the military? I think the progressive left has traditionally used disgruntled service members as a ’symbol for the cause’ rather than as people with many of the same concerns we all have. There is tendency on the left to tiptoe around them like they may bolt at anytime. Troop support is DEFINITELY worlds away from what it was in Vietnam, but we still have miles to travel toward recognizing that these military people ARE us. And they’re scared and disheartened and worried about their future, their families futures and the countries future. By their nature and yes, training, they CAN be a powerful voice in the rootz effort that has begun to gain steam. I recommend EVERYONE take a look at IAVA PAC (WWW.IAVAPAC.ORG). Sorry, I don’t know how to make links yet. Paul Rieckhoff spoke at YKOS and is the best represtenative we, the military, could hope for. If you didn’t hear him please listen to the panel at YKOS. We Progressives talk about trying to “reach people” the military is a block of voters that I believe can be reached, but Paul said it best in his talk at YKOS, “Frankly neither ’side’ has addressed our concerns…we ARE a huge, swing vote.” The GOP is asleep at the wheel thinking that soldiers will simply ‘go along’. The truth is soldiers want to be led, given a job they believe in and the means to do that job. Let’s find a way to lead them right where they already want to go. Big thanks to Scout for his great piece.
‘Come on, America…We wouldn’t want me to lose face, would we?’
;>)
Per C&L, Kerry on Imus this morning:
Kerry: No, what it does is provide the only opportunity for success. Stay the course is not a plan. And what this administration wants is to have a fake debate, as usual. There, there, you hear the drumbeat on every television show from every commentator, cut and run, cut and run, cut and run, cut and run. That’s their phrase.
They’ve found their three words, they love to do that, and they’re gonna try to make the elections in November a choice between “cut and run” or “stay the course.” That’s not the choice. My plan is not “cut and run.” Their plan is “lie and die.”
LindaR, “Republicans are more concerned with saving face than saving lives.” Perfect – applies to Katrina as well as Iraq.
lotus 133 . . . words fail me. That is truly beyond comprehension.
Oh, yea, almost forgot
Sending healing light to Jane’s Mom
darkblack, at long last, have you no respect for the orifice of the president?
HopeSpringsATurtle
I’m mostly a lurker here, but would like to say that I really value your contributions today and truly hope they continue. The comments on this site are what hook you.
HSAT,
here’s your link – they used to be called Op Truth
http://www.iava.org/
Suzanne 152, that’s great!
darkblack 151 — yikes!
HopeSpringsATurtle — love yer moniker.
HopeSpringsATurtle, thanks for your valuable insights, and I’m on that bandwagon that loves your handle.
GOP leaders: No immigration bill this year
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..mmigration
Gonna be some wingnuts mighty po’d at their party, huh?
LindaR,
# 152 but isn’t it even better now that Mehlman has “hashed it all out for you”
HopeSprings
Creating a link
cbl — argh.
punaise @ 155:
Dear Leaderer’s appearance on Face The Nation couldn’t be put off any longer.
:-)
LindaR at 5:18:
Those were Kerry’s words, not mine. I think they should be repeated every time a pundit says cut and run.
darkblack
I wish Bush would just get out of my face.
darkblack 151, wow. Really, really good, that one.
HopeSAT, thanks again for your insights. I agree that the ethical concerns about Iraq seem like a natural opening to further discussion. As for people on the left tiptoeing around the troops, I think that’s probably true as well, for a variety of reasons. But I think it’s becoming less so, at least to some extent, as we see the Fighting Dems, and bloggers who have personal connections to the military, like Markos at Daily Kos and Christy right here at Firedoglake, who begin to demonstrate that “lefty” concerns are not necessarily that different from those of military personnel.
We want real security for our country; we want foreign policy and military decisions to be based on facts and good intelligence, not blind ideology; we want good health care; we want our kids to get good educations; we want hard-working people to be treated with some respect by their government, not like they’re dirt under the boots of the ruling elite.
I think we can find a lot of common ground, and I hope you’ll be part of the conversation as we keep talking about how to reach out to a bunch of people who might be ready to vote for a change, including military folk.
HopeSpringsATurtle – love yer moniker.
best handle ever?
I need to go back through this thread and catch up on your insights – thanks for sharing all this.
Lawrence O’Donnell on KO just completed:
Libby defense fundraiser isn’t about the money. “It’s about the Republican establishment wrapping its arms around Libby to lay the groundwork for a pardon.”
“People around the case, particularly thoise who assumed that Rove wouldn’t be charged, have been talking about (the possibility of a pardon) for several weeks.”
O’Donnell’s take is that the WH views a trial as much more damaging than flak over the pardon, so it’s the way for them to go. Note: that’s O’Donnell’s assessment, not from the WH.
reminds me of the metal-coil company whose products come with a lifetime guarantee:
Hope’s Eternal Springs
You guys are gonna make me cry, thanks so much for the encouragement. Glad I found this world you’ve so lovingly created.
I’m sending a bright, white, healing light to Jane’s mom. ZAP
In the Construction industry, when things don’t seem to go very well, we try to get out from under as soon as possible. If workers started dying, we’d be stupid and jobless if we didn’t cut n’ run.
OK, the dizziness is passing. Lord, wotta vile image!
We really need to take Hope 150’s advice, for the sakes of all concerned. How best to pull it off? Hope? Strategists among us? Vets? Who’s got ideas?
HopeSpringsATurtle at #150:
I hope you keep writing, you give everyone important insight. The question really is who is going to lead the Democrats? “Lie and Die” is a good beginning for a better narrative.
Who is going to beat Rush Limbaugh and speak directly to the soldiers? How do we solve this when the MSM continues to show only Republican ‘talking points’?
I hope journalists and politicians read the comments on this site.
Hi, kalina — welcome back!
As Josh Marshall says, Bush’s plan for Iraq is to leave it in the lap of whoever comes next. He has no plan other than to “stay the course” so fixing his mess can be someone else’s problem.
I think, in addition to the good points made above, that Democrats should be hammering this point as well. The buck stops anywhere but with Bush – the modus operandi for his entire time in offce.
Does anyone have the contact information for NBC executives? I am so disgusted at the way MSNBC has adopted the Republican talking point “cut and run” as a substitute for “withdrawal” or “redeployment.”
From an IAVA email newsletter:
IAVA Helps Get Lifesaving Bandages to Troops in Iraq
Three weeks ago, an email came into the general mailbox here at IAVA headquarters from an Army Lieutenant in Iraq whose unit was experiencing a shortage of bandages called “QuikClot,” that have been crucial in preventing wounded Troops from bleeding to death on the battlefield.
A nine-month old Army order specified that all Soldiers were to be issued the bandages, but apparently someone didn’t get the memo, and Troops were dying because of this latest example of military supply problems. …
IAVA staff … contacted Dorine Kenney, a Gold Star Mother whose son Jacob was killed in Iraq in 2003. Dorine now runs the Jacob’s Light Foundation, which sends supplies and care packages to Troops in Iraq. Within days, Dorine’s group had mailed 200 packets of QuikClot to the Lieutenant in Iraq. …
The latest news is that more than 100,000 QuikClot bandages have been ordered by the Army, and Senator Charles Schumer is sponsoring an amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill providing $20 million for more of these critical bandages. …
Neurophius, bro’ -
I think this was in a batch of YKos pics that op99 sent me…
http://www.bgladd.com/FDL/Sari_and_Neurophius.jpg
neurophius @ 166:
I cannot countenance such negative expressions regarding the ‘physiognominious’ nature of the profiled subject.
;>)
Leslie In CA @ 167:
My aloof facade crumbles at your compliment’s touch
:-)
Can Chimpy pardon Libby for anything he has ever done or only for specific charges. Can’t Fitz than just charge him with any of the other crimes not charged? Does Bush really want to give a presidential pardon for the underlying crimes? Outing an undercover CIA agent, disclosing secret or confidential information. Isn’t that kinda hard to write on a piece of paper for all eternity? Kinda hard to keep trotting out that whole meme about rethugs being trustworthy on the issue of security wouldn’t it?
BobbyG
Thanks a bunch for posting the picture. I’m glad you caught me when I was wearing my formal attire. That was at the Plame breakfast. I hope mommybrain sees it.
From Salon.com:
Is the NSA spying on U.S. Internet traffic?
Salon exclusive: Two former AT&T employees say the telecom giant has maintained a secret, highly secure room in St. Louis since 2002. Intelligence experts say it bears the earmarks of a National Security Agency operation.
http://www.salon.com/news/feat…..1/att_nsa/
June 21, 2006 | In a pivotal network operations center in metropolitan St. Louis, AT&T has maintained a secret, highly secured room since 2002 where government work is being conducted, according to two former AT&T workers once employed at the center.
In interviews with Salon, the former AT&T workers said that only government officials or AT&T employees with top-secret security clearance are admitted to the room, located inside AT&T’s facility in Bridgeton. The room’s tight security includes a biometric “mantrap” or highly sophisticated double door, secured with retinal and fingerprint scanners. The former workers say company supervisors told them that employees working inside the room were “monitoring network traffic” and that the room was being used by “a government agency.”
The details provided by the two former workers about the Bridgeton room bear the distinctive earmarks of an operation run by the National Security Agency, according to two intelligence experts with extensive knowledge of the NSA and its operations. In addition to the room’s high-tech security, those intelligence experts told Salon, the exhaustive vetting process AT&T workers were put through before being granted top-secret security clearance points to the NSA, an agency known as much for its intense secrecy as its technological sophistication.
“It was very hush-hush,” said one of the former AT&T workers. “We were told there was going to be some government personnel working in that room. We were told, ‘Do not try to speak to them. Do not hamper their work. Do not impede anything that they’re doing.’”…
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Try to imagine my surprise.
New thread :)
I said “the Plame breakfast.” I meant “the FDL breakfast.” Don’t know how I could make that mistake.
hi lotus:
we should all call the Hardball execs and ask why ‘cut and run’ is the oficial description of the war dialogue..
neurophius:
You wanted NBC/MSNBC contact info – I remembered that openlettertochrismatthews (remember them?) always had that stuff – scroll down the lefthand column and you’ll find a bunch of executives’ contact info there – MSNBC/NBC.
http://www.openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/
via Atrios & *ilson
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-150373
Let’s run with this — Bush says as long as he occupies the White House, there will be no end to the dying in Iraq.
2500 American Dead is just a number to the Bush Administration.
5000 American Dead will just be another number, three years from now.
thanx everhopeful at #187. I just sent them a complaint about the ‘cut and run’ BS…
“There will be no early withdrawal as long as we run the Congress and occupy the White House. – Bush’s extraordinarily blustery red-faced speech last night.”
EARLY withdrawal? I thought we Accomplished the Mission more than three years ago…
everhopeful, thanks for the info. I’m going to do what Kalina77 suggested.
Contact Info: Hardball & MSRNC
from MSRNC site:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/
Kerri Forrest, Senior Producer, Hardball
202-824-6767
Steve Capus, Pres. NBC News
212-664-3228
steve.capus@nbc.com
Rick Kaplan, Pres. MSNBC (recently Fired)
Tel. 201-583-5050
Fax 201-583-5179
rick.kaplan@msnbc.com
Bill Wolff, VP Program.
201-583-5008
bill.wolff@msnbc.com
Jeremy Gaines, VP Comm.
Tel. 201-583-5000
Fax 201-583-5977
jeremy.gaines@msnbc.com
John Boxley
Programming Producer
Tel. 818-840-4763
Fax 818-840-4275
john.boxley@nbcuni.com
Open Letter to Tweety site
openlettertochrismatthews.blogspot.com/
I just don’t think we’re going to get far with GE-owned MSNBC.
Maybe I’m wrong — it’s happened before — but I don’t have much hope. And here, Jeff Immelt (GE CEO) was supposed to be so brilliant. Gads.
Wonder how much GE is in the hole over all that Iraqi power-plant construction they couldn’t do after all. . . . Probably not one red cent.
The jerk sitting in for Scarborough just asked why people who are critical of torture by American forces are not speaking out against what was done to the two American soldiers in Iraq.
An Orwellian Republican lie.
All of the comments I have seen in the blogosphere on this subject, including my own and Christy’s moving piece this morning, have expressed sorrow for the fate of the Americans. I see no reason why we should be silenced from also decrying the U.S. pro-torture policies that have undoubtedly affected our opponents’ approaches to that issue. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Addington and Yoo have a lot to answer for regarding this incident.
Oh, and I forgot. Abu Gonzalez.
al-Scooter 129 – not to be picky or anything but it’s Stirling Newberry. Must protect my Geek God.
Johninsac – You are such a dear to provide that link link to HopeSAT.
Cut and run, says Max Cleland, should be replaced with correct and recover, the proper military term. Bonus: it implies mistakes have been made.
MB, Stirling, it is. Apologies.
“…the defense secretary makes clear that he does wars, not defense procurement.”
Well, you see, body armor for our troops fighting over in Iraq and Afghanistan is kind of like “several hundred new tanker aircraft.” Both are Department of Defense procurement items.
And Rumsfeld doesn’t do “defense procurement,” which not only explains his being out of the loop over the tanker aircraft, but apparently being out of the loop regarding getting adequate armor protection to our troops.
Yeah, right.
Rumsfeld is a control-freak, micro-manager. And just as his lame excuse over the tanker aircraft scandal sounds hollow, his lame excuses for betraying our troops over body armor procurement is just as hollow. What a creep.
Almost 10 months after Katrina, and the levees of New Orleans and south Louisiana have been repaired only to their original, pre-K elevations. Have we learned nothing from this episode? I’m living and blogging in New Orleans, and while the President is so very worried about maintaining a strong presence in a foreign nation, US citizens remain ignored and in peril. We are not okay.
Peace,
Tim