
The two soldiers who were taken from the traffic checkpoint last week were found today. I should say, with as much anguish as I can put into my typing, their bodies were found, and according to the WaPo:
Maj. Gen. Abdul Aziz Muhammed-Jassim, head of operations at Iraqi Ministry of Defense said the soldiers had been "barbarically" killed and that there were traces of torture on their bodies. He offered no further details.
The families and friends of these soldiers, as well as the other soldiers in their company, will have a long road in dealing with the aftermath of this. It is impossible to say anything in the face of something like this other than to hope that there is some way for the families to find some way to channel this grief and pain and anger into something that gives them some measure of peace over time. But it will be a long road. (The NYTimes also has more on the story.)
Frankly, I just feel altogether hollow today, because a dear friend of mine e-mailed yesterday to let me know that her husband is on his way to Iraq in a few short weeks. And I am terrified for them, and for her, and especially for their children. Every time I pick up a newspaper or read something online, and read about how things are going in Iraq or Afghanistan (and now Korea), I worry about family and friends who are serving there -- or who have served there and are likely to be going back again at some point in the near future. And about extended family of friends from college who may still be living there, because they have been too poor or too committed to their own nation's rebuilding to leave.
And I just want to weep.
There is no excuse for torture -- no matter which side is doing it, including our own side -- and to have to endure the knowledge that your child may have been tortured before facing a horrible death...well, I cannot even allow myself to think about that this morning. My god, those poor parents, I just want to wrap my arms around them somehow to give them some form of comfort, but I know that will be impossible for them for a long, long time.
The people who perpetrated this torture against our soldiers should be caught and held to account -- as should those people in our own military and government who have pushed the policies of state-sanctioned torture forward as legitimate means of government policy. We cannot on the one hand scream about someone else's actions, while condoning actions of our own citizens which do not comport with the same standards. It's called hypocrisy, and we are putting our own soldiers in greater danger for torture when they are captured -- which is why, up until the Bush Administration, we actually tried to follow the law under the Geneva Convention.
That George Bush and his malignant band of cronies cannot understand something so simple as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." is appalling. Perhaps they could understand "An eye for an eye?" Of course, again, it gets visted on other people's children, so perhaps it doesn't have quite the same level of urgency for the policies to be followed to the letter. Or maybe shortcutting the law has become so common for the Bush Administration that they just don't care about the long-term consequences of their actions any longer -- and it truly is all about short-term CYA and political gains and justifying the ends by any means necessary.
And this whirlwind that we have sown...well the reaping of it continues to be done on the backs of an awful lot of grunts on the ground and innocent civilians who keep getting caught in the crossfire. And we will continue to reap it for generations to come.
Iraq is a mess. And our soldiers deserve better than to be left hanging out there because the President and his Secretary of Defense decided to do a little experiment about war on the cheap, never mind that the policy was fatally flawed to start with because it was built on lies.
You think Scooter Libby and Karl Rove and Dick Cheney and the WHIG were so obsessed with the Wilsons because they were bored that month? Please, it was all about CYA so no one would find out they were liars. And it's continued forward as a diversion for them so that a complicit press -- other than Murray Waas and Barton Gellman and Walter Pincus and a other journalists who have done the digging on this, even though it ends up on page A17 -- wouldn't look at the real story.
Why did they lie our way into a war being fought by other people's children?
The fact that American soldiers have been moved around the board like sacrificial pawns since this war began is unconscionable. And appalling.
Private 1st Class John Hart whispered into the phone so he wouldn't be overheard. It was just a matter of time, he said, before his buddies and he bumped down some back road in Iraq right into an ambush. They were so exposed, the somber young soldier told his dad, back home in Bedford, Mass. They were riding around in unarmored Humvees with canvas tops and gaping openings on the sides where doors should be. That seemed pretty stupid now that people were shooting at them and lobbing rockets. John, a 20-year-old gunner whose job it was to keep his head up and return fire, felt hung out in the breeze.As John's father, Brian Hart, remembers the conversation, he listened with growing alarm, then stepped into his home office so his wife, Alma, wouldn't hear. It was October 11, 2003.
The Harts couldn't have been prouder of their only son for answering the president's call to fight the war against terror in Iraq. That very day, the Harts had accepted a contract to sell their clapboard house in historic Bedford, in part because they felt out of step with anti-war sentiments in town. Seven months earlier, on the eve of war, the congregation of First Parish Unitarian Church had unfurled a big blue banner emblazoned: "Speak Out For Peace." The Harts were offended. The banner loomed over the town common, hallowed ground where Bedford minutemen had gathered before the first battles of the Revolutionary War in nearby Lexington and Concord. The normally soft-spoken Brian Hart told town selectmen that if the banner didn't come down, he'd sue the town. The day the war began, the Unitarians rolled up their peace banner voluntarily. Still, the skirmish left the Harts feeling so out of sorts with Bedford, their home of 14 years, that they planned to move away.
Now, talking on the phone with his young warrior, Brian tried to understand what he was hearing. Don't believe spinmeisters on TV, Brian recalls his son saying; the Iraqi insurgency is real and building. John and his buddies in Charlie Company of the 508th Infantry Regiment of the 173rd Airborne Brigade were patrolling ever longer distances in thin-skinned Humvees suited for hauling cargo, not for carrying soldiers under fire.
This was not the first time John had confided that the U.S. military was failing to provide him with essential equipment. In previous calls home, Brian recalls, John recounted a bewildering array of shortages and snafus. Before landing in Iraq that scorching July, John told his father, he'd been issued a winter-weight camouflage suit, body armor with protective plates too small to shield his broad chest, and a broken rifle. An expert marksman and former co-captain of the Bedford High School shooting team, John had been told to conserve scarce bullets by not taking practice shots to sight his weapon, he said. Summertime water rations were so inadequate that guys were passing out in the Iraqi heat....
Read this entire article. Every word of it. This is what I have been hearing from retired military, folks who have recently come back from Iraq, diplomatic types, intel folks...you name it. Over and over again. Still.
I am so angry this morning, I could scream. I do not care what political party you are in, I do not care what you think of dissent during a time of conflict...if you do not get angry reading this article then you do not in all honesty support the troops. What you support is propping up an Administration that is more interested in selling itself through false public relations campaigns, and the hell with the effects of its actual policies on the men and women in uniform who are risking their lives -- every freaking day -- because they are bound to follow the orders in their chain of command by their code of military conduct.
And those orders are given by a President and a Secretary of Defense who are more interested in covering their own asses than taking care of their men. I have had it with people who cannot see it straight out: you give the orders, you take responsibility for the consequences of those orders. It's about goddamned time this President stood up and took responsibility for something...anything.
And if he won't, then it is up to us to hold him accountable. Yes, I have damn well had enough.
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Christy…my heart is with you and all those families who are suffering because of our leaders’ craven lies.
Rest in peace.
that is a really hard arcticle to read. thanks for giving the truth a voice.
You have to wonder what happened to this generation, the baby boomer generation that I am part of. For all of human history the evolutionary safeguard against moments like this was human shame. When a human does things so terrible against the community there is a sense of shame that, if the transgression is large enough, becomes a collective shame. Of course there are always free riders who do not have a developed sense of shame, and I think you have to include Bush and the Bush clan in this group - evolutionary anomolies who have had shame bred out of them in the cause of individual ambition. But shame should still descend on the larger community for what we have done in Iraq, what we have done to our own children. I read somebody like Beinart and he says he was wrong, and yet he feels no shame for the consequences of his actions. Instead he collects on a six figure publishing contract and declares himself the conscience of the Democratic party. What happened to us to create this community without shame I feel myself a part of?
What are we going to do about it?
…and I am not being snarkey
L
Faster, Fitz! Faster …
Larry at 5 — I’ve been thinking about that for the last hour. You are going to have to let me get past the shaking with anger stage first. If anyone has any good ideas, please put them in the thread — in the meantime, I’m going to try to ingest more coffee and get back to a more rational thought process place.
I am angry and in terrible sorrow as are so many of us. I am a mother of young people and aunt to many more.
The carnage from this illegal, immoral war on Iraq just hit a bit closer to home. My niece’s grade school and high school (and Sr. prom date)friend is over there in the same unit as the kidnapped and now dead soldiers. His best buddy was Spc. David J. Babineau - initially killed in that incident and he was close with Menchaca and Tucker. He has been calling my niece every week and when this happened he said he didn’t think he could call her anymore because he didn’t know what the future would bring.
He said early last week he had his first day off (!!!) since January 1st. He went to the green zone and swam and relaxed in one of Saddam’s old palaces. Said he didn’t wear shoes for three days.
My niece is so very upset and says - he’s so young (they are 22) and he doesn’t know how to deal with all the death and destruction.
God Damn the (s)elected criminals who took our country and our brave soldiers into this living hell. I can never forgive anyone who ever voted for them
Christy, Beautifully spoken. It’s a sad day. How many more?
You are so absolutely right that I find it hard to breathe hearing about this. I can hear the spinning now: “see how horrible the turrasts are,” “how can they be so uncivilized except that they are not really human….” This will probably cause the wingnuts to call for more extreme treatment of the prisoners that we have. The death of Zarqawi certainly was a ‘tipping point.’
It is certainly hard to keep up hope with so many terrible things being done or abetted or caused by the current ‘leadership’ of this country. I come to this site for the righteous anger and desire for change advocated here. I only hope that you will be able to keep it up.
Yes.
I’m furious too. Your writings have focused the anger for me now and when I am confronted by a “Support the Troops” type I can now ask them, “Do you support the troops or the President? Choose! You can’t support both!”
hizzhoner
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I knew a young man killed in Iraq a few months ago, and he was given the silver medal posthumously. But his grandmother, my friend, told me that he had died all alone with a piece of shrapnel in his neck and bleeding to death. He died because he was all alone and with no buddy near to stop the bleeding. Yet he was given the silver medal. He died a victim not a “hero” in the technical sense. They are all sitting ducks over there. The administration uses these young people propagandisticly for their own purposes. Where is God?
Damn.
As a military mom, this report adds to the anguish I feel daily over the war in Iraq. My thoughts & prayers go to the families and friends of these young men.
Also, I’m just so deeply angry with the prideful & incompetent Bush Administration as well as their enablers who have brought us to this point. Americans who wish to support the troops need to work to get them the hell out of Iraq!
Republicans: We’re Always Willing to Sacrifice Your Children to Save Our Pride.
Last night, I sat down with the Post magazine and read the article from beginning to end, and by the time I was through was just sick and sad and angry.
We sent children off to fight a war and treated their safety as an afterthought. How little respect do you have to have for these people who volunteered to put themselves in harm’s way to not give them the tools they needed to protect themselves? Many of these were kids who were inspired by the events of 9/11 to want to defend their country’s honor, to safeguard the homeland, and this is what they got in return? Death in the desert, bleeding to death for lack of a $20 tourniquet? Dead from a bullet that went right through the vehicle and into the neck of a kid whose life’s dream was to be a soldier? A kid who just the week before he died told his father that he and his buddies were sitting ducks, who were sent out in vehicles that had no armor to go after insurgents firing rockets. It was madness, and it was unconscionable.
Not enough food, not enough water. Body armor redesigned and less protective, to save money. Money, for crying out loud.
I don’t just fault people like Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, I also fault the military for going along on this trip down the rabbit hole.
There will be - if there is any justice in this world - a special place in hell for those who failed our men and women in uniform. And I, for one, hope that hell begins during their lifetime.
from Atrios:
And now this, via a dkos diary, quoting a Yemeni paper.
Dr. Najib Ghanem, the chairman of the Health Committee in the Parliament said the corpse of Salahu al-Din was handed over to Yemen but was missing major bodily organs such as the heart, the kidneys, livers and the blood vessels.
This makes it difficult to know the main cause of death. He called for the participation of international autopsy experts in trying to identify the cause of death.
heres something we can do…
lets begin some sort of master type compilation of every one of these Iraq war/occupation enabling lying s.o.b. traitors… their bios…background…their contact info….employment….etc…
Perhaps someday they can be held accountable for their complicity
A couple of years ago I had a conversation with a woman whose father was a German soldier buried alive in a trench by advancing Russians at the end of WWII. She was 5 years old. In the course of an extraordinary wine-fueled confession, she revealed her shame at her lingering anti-semitism, and her abiding shame at what her country did in her name before she entered kindergarten. The scars were deep and raw and close to the surface almost 60 years later. My friends, we are even now acquiring similar wounds to our psyches, even those of us who fight and rail against the atrocities committed in our names. My heart goes out to our servicemen and women who are at the vanguard of our national shame, through no fault of their own. I wish I believed in hell, as an eternity there would be the only fitting punishment for George Bush and his cabal.
Peace and love to these poor soldiers’ families.
Christy,
The sad thing, no
one of many sad things
Is that this delays exit. We cannit let this method, kidnap and torure, appear to work or else it will just encourage more of the same.
God, it makes me sick to my stomach to say this, but incidents like this MUST be met with declarations of stoic resolve.
America as a nation was making moves in the direction of withdrawal. In the face of atrocity, it would seem that momentum must be checked, at least for a while. It’s almost as if the insurgents don’t want us to leave?
Maybe they don’t, because our presence there is fueling their movement and spreading it worldwide. I finally got to read yesterday’s Wall street Journal and there was an editorial about the Islamofacist’s take over of Mogadishu and impending destabilazation of Kenya and Ethiopia. The article is by Peter Pham. I don’t have a link.
BY their childish, thoughtless, reckless determination to instigate a needless war, the Bush Mafia Family has opened a Pandora’s Box; destabilizing regions, undoing every bit of progress so painstakingly made in the middle east, screwing up the world’s supply of oil–I’m waiting for a world wide recession to come from that–and setting back human rights and civil rights by a couple centuries.
It’s not just the US. The whole world is having the clock turned back –decades if not centuries worth–away from progress on human rights, away from spreading democracy and civil rights, away from lifting the poor out of “give a man a fish” and into “teach a man to fish” foreign aid.
I don not want to see the rise of the Warlord culture as a world wide phenominom. The last time that happened? the Dark Ages?
not so good.
To break ranks at this critical time is to be objectively counter-revolutionary. Those torture marks were probably self -inflicted. As for the bad intelligence that bastard Krondstadt out at Langley must be surrounded! Shoot them like partridges!
Thank you for sharing your anger. I think a lot of us are angry too.
This is why Hillary will never get the nomination. People who are in power should be doing everything they can to stop this evil evil war.
I am so angry too. It is so bad. How could this have happened?
This is why it is even more disguisting that Cambell Brown was asking last week if Bush got his “mojo back”
The headline to the story says it all: Fatal Inaction . . . emphasis added below.
Gives “don’t ask, don’t tell” a whole new meaning . . .
So if they won’t ask the followup questions, I guess we’ll have to.
Re ecoast 17 -
Just to make it clear my post 17, the bodies of the suicide victims at Gitmo were returned to their native countries and in at least one case, some body parts and vital organs were missing.
We must work to elect Democrats who will hold hearings. We must work for impeachment, as well. Excuse me for posting the following again, I have already at several other blogs but I think it bears repeating.
I followed a link from AMERICAblog and read this:
President Bush spoke similarly at a Republican fund-raiser here Monday night, asserting: “An early withdrawal would embolden the terrorists. An early withdrawal would embolden Al Qaeda and bin Laden. There will be no early withdrawal so long as we run the Congress and occupy the White House.”
‘As long as we run the Congress and occupy the White House’
Is this what now passes for democracy in this country? Do we even realize how far we have fallen when the president considers himself and his cronies to be an occupying force?
Christy
Forgive me, I neglected to tell you hao moving your post was.
I was too busy crying.
Barbarism like that make me………
I have no words
And if he won’t, then it is up to us to hold him accountable.
I couldn’t agree more.
We know it can and must be done.
Christy, your sorrow and frustration and eloquence are like a burnished brass bell this morning, tolling the atrocity that has become this administration’s CYA leadership. Has been all along…
Mary Matalin, shame on you for shilling for these bastards. Can you look your daughters in the eye this morning?
John Kerry said this morning on the Imus show that for the Republicans it’s “Lie and die.” And Imus said oh, but isn’t it going better over there? What, he got a kissy note from Darth Chee-knee yesterday? No, it’s a damn sight not going better.
The administration lies; our sons and daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, friends are the ones that die or come home horribly maimed or face death every hour under circumstances of criminal negligence to properly outfit and armor and protect our troops. Not the Paris Hiltons or Jenna or not-Jenna. No, it’s the kid who spent weekends in the bunkhouse talking about fishing with my son who’s on his way to Iraq, leaving his new wife…how will he come home? In a box? Whole? Sound of mind and spirit?
While the prez fiddles around in Vienna, America burns. Hizzoner’s got it right…who do you support, the troops or the incompetent President?
ecoast
Why would the US want to eviscerate the body? Was there a post mortum exam?
I think this may turn out to be an act of tactlessness that has a simple explanation.
Sounds like an autopsy was peformed.
Christy, thank you for this writing, and for the image and word that head it — though the candle and the word “requiem,” beautiful and calming as they are, cannot counteract, much less neutralize, the power and fury of your words.
As gruesome as this morning’s confirmation is, even worse is the sense that Menchaca and Tucker will be only the first two of many to suffer this fate. Those opposing our forces in Iraq always stay a step ahead of the Americans in evil imagination, despite Cheney/Rumsfeld/Addington/Yoo and various driven-mad soldiers’ best attempts to keep up. This is just their latest point-made, and it’s sure to be repeated.
How must all our officers and enlistees in Iraq be taking this morning’s news? My God.
How much longer before some of them mutiny?
I just read this on America Blog.
Last night, at a GOP fundraiser, Bush linked Iraq and Al-Qaeda — and he said we’ll stay in Iraq as long as the GOP runs the country:
An early withdrawal would embolden the terrorists. An early withdrawal would embolden Al Qaeda and bin Laden. There will be no early withdrawal so long as we run the Congress and occupy the White House.
He’s going to keep the troops in Iraq to make a political point. That’s sick.
I am sickened and horrified that our own party wont act. why have they refused to call for a withdrawal.
When will the country figure out that weve been had?
I only got half way through the WAPO article yesterday and had to put it down. I know John Gibbons and a more thoughtful, gentle, committed minister would be hard to find. I know he must have been a caring soul trying to help the Harts deal with the unbearable.
What will it take for the meme to sink in?
W. and his minions have committed HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.
It can be proven many times over. We cannot let these people lead our country further into the hell we are witnessing. We have to stop them and it can’t wait until 2008.
What will it take?
I was against this war from the start, or before the start. I went to marches in Washington DC and Boston, hoping to show the numbers who opposed this. After the war started, I held my breathe hoping they were right. Maybe it will be so fast and easy. I was hoping I was wrong in thinking it would end with guerilla warfare.
So how come I knew it would be a disaster, and I was right? I don’t have any insider information. I don’t get reports from the CIA. I don’t have a great knowledge of Iraq history.
This administration had to have known this would be a disaster.
Call your Senators and demand that they call for an end to this madness.
Christy at 7, Larry at 5,
What to do? One notion:
An important difference between this era and the 60’s is that in the 60’s those who wanted us out of a senseless war (a minority then, unlike now) staged regular peace marches in DC, NY, and other cities. This was an organized, labor-intensive effort (e.g. the National Mobilization to End the War in Vietnam) helped by the existence of a nascent “counter-culture” movement. There is little or no public protest (which leads to press and public debate) these days. Perhaps a blogosphere that can put together a Yearly Kos can spearhead some initial demonstrations, or a national day of protest. And one of our rallying cries should be “Bring our troops home.”
for days CNN had been hyping the two missing soldiers story — this morning their response to the gruesome news is strangely restrained …
OT re Iraq, but on topic of accountability:
The Safavian verdict is in: guilty on four of five counts of obstruction of justice and perjury.
Safavian, to refresh some memories, was the government’s chief procurement officer.
Procurement problems? Hmmmm, maybe I’m not OT after all . . .
Fuck me. I’m scanning today’s Boston Globe, and this is sitting there like an IED…
“As a senior at Springfield High School of Science and Technology in 1998, David J. Babineau wrote to his classmates he wanted to be a five-star general. Before the summer was out, he had joined the Army. And by December, he was assigned to Fort Campbell, Ky., home of the famed 101st Airborne Division.
On Friday, Specialist Babineau was killed in an ambush at a traffic checkpoint south of Baghdad . The 25-year-old Springfield native was with the two US soldiers who were apparently kidnapped by insurgents.”
http://www.boston.com/news/loc.....pecialist/
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To say this hits close to home…it IS fucking home. I’m just dumbstruck…speechless.
I can only repeat what Christy just posted. I’m livid, sorrowful…
Downtown, there’s a Memorial to the Spfld. kids who we lost in Vietnam. There’s 50 names inscribed on 3 pieces of granite.
Somebody took the effort to put info online. All kinds of info. Dates of service. DOB/DOD. Official docs of how they died…just about everything.
http://www.springfield50.org/
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AND NOW WE’RE DOING IT AGAIN!
I just can’t believe it.
A small postscript, Christy, I think it’s “sown” rather than “sewn” to reap the whirlwind. Such a moving piece you’ve written this morning.
What can we do? First, send the link for this posting “Requiem” to everyone you know, even those who never read blogs. In a small way, we can spread this candle of honor and condolence for all that the families of our troops have sacrificed.
Second, I read in passing a reference on H-Post yesterday about an upcoming movie in which John Cusack has to tell his daughter her mother was killed in Iraq. Don’t even know the title, but we need to watch for it and make it a major box office success…this is what will help build the reality momentum.
Building the buzz, evangelizing, being the tipping point…every little action is part of the larger goal. Badly paraphrasing an old proverb…we can move a mountain by carrying away small stones.
Prarie Sunshine your 28
RE:John Kerry
I say Too little…too late
Fuck him and his constant equivicating
We need leaders with 24/7 balls
Ned Lamont fits that profile.
The world is currently set up to accept this situation as it is. Our government elected by the majority of its citizens has said that this is the course we want to take. All members of congress who condone these actions have been elected by us. The majority elected them for their stance on these issues.
Other countries who do not like what is going on, are not speaking up to stop it either. No country has done anything to stop this administration from doing as it pleases.
There simply are not enough people who care.
There are not enough people who care.
NBC )(Mike B.) just reported 8,000 troops had been looking for these guys since they disappeared.
This is helpful how?
2 more.
It’s a number. Merely so. Right, Mr. Snow?
http://www.bgladd.com/Just_a_Number.jpg
Where have all the soldiers gone…….?
gone to graveyards every one……..
When will they ever learn?
Hold this administration’s feet to the fire…hammer hammer hammer away. Everyone of us can make a difference……..NO FEAR!
Thanks Redd, but I just could not finish reading the article you cite. It was too painful. I have a family member that did one tour in Iraq during the time of the initial invasion. (He came back OK.) However, there is talk of “recycling” him in there again. So beyond my sense of anger and frustration, I also have a lurking sense of fear.
But I agree with Larry at 5…what do we do? I’ve written letters and e-mails to the point where my elected representatives no longer respond (and they used to respond regularly). Protests are counter-productive. The Dems are just as tone-deaf on this as the Rethugs are. There is no one in congress (with the possible exception of Feingold) that represents my views. And to paraphrase Bill Clinton, I’m not looking for them to be more liberal — I want them to be more relevant and responsive. I don’t think that there’s anything we can do that will overcome what they refuse to do.
Christy,
Thank you for this post. I am so distressed I can barely breath. My heart bleeds for these 2 young men and their families, and for the young men and women who were charged with finding them. I cannot imagine the pressure they must have been under.
My heart goes out to the families and it is my fervent hope that they find peace, some day.
I have a 16 year old son and I cannot well…. you know
Peace
Lhd,
While I understand your premise, I must humbly disagree. I cannot see where leaving our troops in the middle of a civil war, to be nothing more than cannon fodder can possibly benefit anyone. This current administration has proven its inability to competently execute a war.
For all those who feel we must - Stay the Course - I would remind them that the Recruiting Offices are open and they & their children are welcome to sign up & go to Iraq, so that those who have borne the burden so far can come home, having completed their mission - WMDs gone - never having existed - Saddam removed from power; Democratic Elections held; Government established; Constitution in place. What is the current mission? Bring brotherly love to warring factions? Good Luck.
What “sense of shame” are you talking about, Wilbur?
Dubbya has none.
I have no words…When I heard the news this morn. in the car I had to pull over. Very moving post Christy…at this point, if I am numb, what could those families feel, and to know those horrid details.
There is an evil horrible picture that is out there, that I hope people are responding to …..As these KIDS and I mean KIDS are tortured and killed, Karl Rove is out there talking up the war to his so-called supporters for only POLTICAL REASONS…for the one reason….they want to retain power, the costs are many…but NONE as sobering, as sad, and heinous as the torture and deaths of our fellow citizens of this country and of the world.
Karl Rove, his hideous minions and HIS supporters have the blood of these brave KIDs on thir hands……add these two heroes to the 2500 plus already killed , the thousands of out mamed and wounded for life fellow Americans and the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who have been murdered.
As I said how can any of his really be expressed in words!
Kate, the mom from Chicago–
I had no direct connection to Babbineau as you, other than hometown. So sorry for your loss.
I just called Sen. Martinez and told his receptionist the following: “The blood of those two soldiers is on his hands. He needs to support Kerry and Feingold NOW in their call for setting a date to get out of Iraq. Someday, somewhere, somehow, the Senators and Representatives will be held to account for their support of this corrupt, incompetent administration that started this war based on lies.”
The best thing all of us can do in the face of all this grief and anger about this sickening war is to continue with our political work to change the leadership in this country. Or if we aren’t doing anything yet, BEGIN. It is LITERALLY up to us.
I read this yesterday on WaPo and cried most of the way thru it. Today, those 2 soldiers were just boys for craps sake. My heart aches for all the families who are going thru unimaginable heartache because of this inept, stupid administration. May they rest in peace. And my sincere condolences to their families.
And you know that Bush is breathing a sigh of relief that these to brave men did not turn up in some grotesque video, alive and showing signs of torture. I really hate Bush. Fuck him
Percy, a big difference between Vietnam and Iraq in relation to demonstrations is that in Vietnam we had the draft and more people were affected by that war personally. Sadly, now only those of us with consciences are speaking out while those who do not have a personal stake over there and are morally indifferent remain silent. In other words, we are smaller. But I agree with you, we still need to do something.
sonate at 45 “Protests are counter-productive.”
I’d urge you not to underestimate the power of public speech and resolve. Protests brought us the civil rights movement, and over a period of years (too many), a change in national perspective on Vietnam.
Protests affect public opinion. Public opinion affects politicians, because they need votes of that same public to stay in office.
About the Safarian verdict…according to Isikoff this morn. on the Maddow show…the Justice dept was waiting for this verdict to issue indictments for Ney and possibly DeLay…so maybe that will help to temper the ReTHUGS and their pitbull queen Rover!
cathy at 42:
It’s more than not enough people who care. It’s that people have been fed a steady stream of propaganda and can’t discern up from down.
I’m reading a book about Saladin and the third crusade. It’s amazing how little has changed in the last 800 years.
It’s not a war, it’s an occupation.
Support the troops, impeach Bush.
lina-
We have been fed the same steady stream of propaganda, but we cared enough to explore past that and see what is true and what isn’t. Not enough people care to do that. Not enough people care.
and Saladin was from Tikrit too — but he was also a Kurd …
I don’t understand this post. We have an account of someone who is SO offended by a simple banner put up by Unitarians about the utterly criminal inavsion of Iraq, they decided to MOVE OUT OF TOWN.
And we are supposed to feel sorry for these sociopaths?
Face it fellow Americans. With the possible exception of a few right-wing hawks in USA, everyone else on planet earth thinks what were are doing to the Iraqis is a CRIME. Not a mistake, a CRIME! WE are the bad guys. I am so ashamed of what USA is doing–supposedly in MY name–that there are days when I feel sick.
And no, I have no idea how to stop it.
56naschkatze - You are right. The absence of a draft removes the personal danger of war from those families whose sons and daughters have not elected to volunteer (we’ll leave Nt’l Guard out of it.) And this is perhaps part of the explanation for so little public protest to date. But the anti-war sentiment is there, and I think by now it is large enough that it could and should be harnessed.
Today i am going to call as many members of congress as I possibly can This HAS to stop NOW. Can we start a phone campaign? Now is the time!
Percy at 57
On protests…
“I’d urge you not to underestimate the power of public speech and resolve.
Although I respectfully disagree, I hope that you’re right and I’m wrong, because nothing I do (voting, e-mailing, letter-writing, phone calls) has made the slightest difference since this spoiled brat was appointed by the Supreme Court.
Call your Senators.
One thing Democrats could do is talk as loud as they can about what the troops need, and it would be better to provide that information directly from those in uniform. Democratic congresspeople need to say, “If we’re staying for the foreseeable future, this administration and this military need to explain why they still have not provided our troops with the equipment and supplies they need to do their jobs as safely as possible.”
I’d like to see some public airing of the statistics on deaths and injuries that could have been prevented with proper equipment. It’s awfully hard to claim ownership of “keeping Americans safe” if you have not ensured that the Americans sent to fight for that cause are being properly protected themselves.
I’m sick to death of being labeled anti-American or weak on defense when those in charge care more about their political power than they do about the men and women actually fighting this war.
When you fight a war, or are maintaining an occupation in which the lives of our troops are still in danger on a daily basis, it is imperative that the useless items that are included in the military’s budget get axed, pronto.
When you commit to maintaining a presence in a hostile region, you not only have to properly equip those in the theater of operations, you also have to make sure the originating infrastructure is maintained.
There needs to be an immediate end to “emergency” appropriations bills, and an all-encompassing budget needs to be put together.
I was asked to do a new version of “Little Boxes” by Malvina Reynolds for a main title to a well-known series. Although I didn’t record the whole thing, I was moved to rewrite the last two verses. I would like to think she approves:
Little boxes on the hillside
little boxes have no name
and they’re all made out of ticky-tacky
and they all look just the same
And the people in the houses
all went to university
where they got schooled in little boxes
and they came out all the same
And there’s doctors and there’s lawyers
and business executives
and they’re all made out of ticky-tacky
and they all look just the same
Other people aren’t doctors
they’re not lawyers or executives
so they get put in little boxes
and treated all the same
And their children join the army
and get shipped off to the eternal war
when they die they’re put in little boxes
so they come home all the same
It doesn’t come close to articulating my rage and helplessness, and I don’t pretend it’s as articulate as half the stuff I read here every day, but it’s what I have.
Tommy Yum @69,
Thank you :(
Thank you for the candle, Christy.
We light candles for many reasons not the least of which is to mark a loss. I keep Yahrtzeit candles at home. One is lit for my father on the anniversary of his death — in keeping with his tradition. But there have been other times, the loss of a friend, a dear pet, someone significant when lighting a candle was a needed action. I will light one tonight when I get home.
They stay lit for 24 hours or more and are a constant reminder to focus and remember, and reflect.
We light candles to help us find our way out of the darkness. Surely this is a time of darkness. Our collective candles can and must shine a bright light for truth, justice, compassion, and love. If we can’t find our way to pool our collective light here, in this FDL community and then take it out and spread it, we are lost.
I choose to believe that there are many many of us who possess that light and are willing to step up and act, in some way, any way to chase that darkness away.
I have to wonder if anyone in the Bush administration, or the immediate families of the administration, feel compelled to read articles like this. It would have such a satisfying effect to know that just someone in that group was feeling the weight of where they have put so many soldiers and their families. Do you think Bush or Cheney have nightmares? Do you think Laura is consumed with the knowledge of how much pain and fear her husband has single-handedly inflicted on this country? Do you think Babs and HW ever discuss the families that have been so ravaged by their son? Do you think that there are any human feelings amongst any of them?
Franco says:
June 20th, 2006 at 7:09 am
About the Safarian verdict%u2026according to Isikoff this morn. on the Maddow show%u2026the Justice dept was waiting for this verdict to issue indictments for Ney and possibly DeLay%u2026so maybe that will help to temper the ReTHUGS and their pitbull queen Rover!
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I suspect it’ll be a while. It’s going to take some time for Safavian to hammer out his deal. Any word on the minimum/maximum sentences?
Christy–that was a beautiful piece. My heart goes out to these families. I recently lost a sister (car accident) and it is so hard to find peace when a life isn’t finished. I struggle with this everyday but some of these soldiers were half my sister’s age and thankfully, she didn’t suffer. For these guys to have been tortured…
I am also angry at these Democrats who continue to support the war and who continue to refuse to consider a timetable for troop withdrawal. Who do they think they are pleasing? A majority of Americans don’t want this war. The soldiers and generals over there don’t want this war.
I know we have to figure out a way to transform this anger and sadness into action but these Bush people are like the Boogeyman. Nothing defeats them. But don’t worry, I’ll never stop trying…
Tommy Yum @ 69. That is one of my all-time favorite songs. In the ’60’s my brother had a folk music record and music book — Ticky Tacky was in it and we wore a groove in the record. Then he played it over and over on the piano. And then the clarinet.
Thanks.
the people who are buying into the propaganda are gullible. They trust their good Christian president to keep them safe from all the scary people “over there” (outremer - for *ilson).
As long as he keeps up this tit for tat war mantra, they’ll believe it, and he’ll get away with it.
And since no one with a brain in his/her head can get elected in this environment, I see no end in sight.
techno
The family had a son who was putting his life on the line to on behalf of his country and in defense of the admirable concept of freedom. The administration lied, and these poor kids are dying. But for the parents, particularly early in the war, that banner said “We don’t support what your brave son has volunteered to do on behalf of his nation.” While agreeing entirely with the politics of the Unitarians and their banner, I understand the anger of the parents. One of the mistakes we protesters made in the Vietnam era was to lump the poor grunts in the trenches with the politicians who put them there.
As Christy’s fine post illustrates - these kids deserve every bit of support and respect we can give them. They are among the many victims of this pointless war. But do not blame them, nor their parents, for being proud of their service and sacrifice.
IMPEACH both! & Fire rummy in utter disgrace.
Jail?!
LETTERS to editor & Congress & & &
Rinse & repeat . . .
*And don’t forget to thank those who are doing a good job(!)
BOYCOTT the news orgs that blindly follow the repug talking points, and LET THEM KNOW.
Let their ADVERTISERS know.
*
CONFRONT people who blindly accept the bushco line of @*%&, hopefully with civil discourse. But DON’T BACK DOWN! There ARE quiet, respectful ways to do this, and I think they often accomplish more than loud demos.
We recently were on an elderhostel. Everyone was, naturally, trying to put their political feelings aside for the sake of group harmony.
But one fellow, just full-to-bursting with his own self-importance, said once to often how stupid & idiotic liberals were about [ ], yahda yahda yahda.
I couldn’t stand it any more, so I called him on it.
He got louder.
I didn’t raise my voice at all (I think my dear hubby will back me up on this *g*), but I also did NOT back off one millimeter.
Considering the venue, and the feelings of the rest of the group (overwhelming majority of whom agreed with me, as far as we could tell, but who had remained virtually silent - again, group harmony concerns), I’d tried to choose a time when we were sorta off to the side by ourselves.
I tried to reason with bozo. He shouted back re: I didn’t understand anything. Rather than shout back at him, I eventually told him as firmly as I could that we were going to have to “agree to disagree.”
He didn’t “get it”, & got even louder. So I repeated, more firmly, still in a low voice. His poor wife DID understand, so the duet soon became a trio with, “Honey?, HONEY?! Let it go.”
Later, bozo’s wife sneaked up to me very quietly and told me she agreed with me(!). She, and some others actually thanked me for standing up to him the way I did.
Next time, maybe I’ll get a punch in the nose. But I cannot remain silent anymore. I just CAN’T!
Wonderful post Christy, said she, moist-eyed.
Gonna have a hard time getting anything done today.
Oh. Lil’ bright spot. Our sweet bluebird family fledged successfully ;->
I’ve been lighting candles for days. For my wife’s grandfather, for her family, for Jane and her mom …
Thanks, Christy for lighting one for the nation.
to = too, darn it. I HATE that!
Christy #7:
It’s early here on the west coast, and I need to get to the office. Couple ill-formed thoughts before the thread goes away.
Most importantly, keep on with keepin’ on. Per *ilson, et al upthread, the way to get the troops home is to remove the GOP’s control of the federal government. Taking back Congress is a major step in that direction. What we do here needs to be weighed in light of that goal.
FDL has become prime “real estate” in the blogosphere. Posts and posters matter. So who can and should say what needs to be said to help move this narrative along? (In the short term, do you know any retired JAG officers who’d be willing to blog on the importance of Geveva Conventions and hang around through the comments?)
You’ve demonstrated netroots success already - the rubber stamp meme’s out there. And it was a low-risk, low-investment kind of activity. What else can you do around this issue?
Are there some opportunities for synergy with other blogger friends? Sometimes complicated messages can be delivered by breaking them down into smaller ones for several messengers to carry.
I think if there were some magic way of bringing the troops home and freeing the Iraqis to heal themselves, we’d have found it by now. And done it. But if anybody has that way in hand, let’s roll!
Re: Savavian
Someone (@ilson?) commented here that Safavian decided that juist plain stupid was safer than being obviously corrupt. I guess not.
“Willful blindness” will bite you in the ass every time.
Carry this link to “Requiem” with you to the other blogs you visit. Spread the candlelight.
Tonight I will light two candles in my window. For each of these two brave soldiers…and for hope and commitment to work for change. Please join me.
And to the poster who’s mad at Kerry, I can’t agree. I believe in redemption and the power of change. Personal change…and change in government.
The thought that comes to mind is: Where is all the money going for? The cost per month has been escalating since this started. They are not replacing equipment, troop levels are about the same. No major operations, and no rebuilding, yet the costs keep going up. Where is it going???
I and my wife come from Families that have had extensive military service. All as enlisted men and women. In my family my dad was in the Air force at the end of Korea. My next younger brother was 10 years in the Air Force; my younger sister married somebody from our town who enlisted in the Navy, My youngest Brother served in the Marines for 8yrs. My Wife’s youngest brother (My youngest brothers best friend) served 8 yrs got out was a Riverside, CA Sheriffs deputy for 6 yrs went back in the reserves and went to Iraq at the beginning, got shot through the shoulder in August of 2003 and is now doing Ok, but he was changed I hope one day works through his problems and returns to the person he was. My wife’s older brother served 8trs in the Army and 4 yrs in the reserves, her younger sister served 4 years in the Marines, and the youngest sister was Married to two Marines and who served more than 8 yrs and her Father is a retired Master Chief who retired after twenty years, He served 3 tours in Vietnam on a Destroyer and absolutely will not talk about those years. My wife who was born in Oakland, Ca. while he was serving there, while a child moved a dozen times. I didn’t go into the Military. I destroyed my knee when I was 18 playing basketball, and I received a college scholarship for my academics. I was the first in my family to attend college. It was not that we were that patriotic, we were just that poor. My wife also has two half brothers who are both in the army; the both re-upped and were sent back to Iraq for their 2nd and 3rd tours over there. We worry about them all the time.
It saddens me to think that these men and women are over there to be cannon fodder. That Rumsfield still has a job baffles me. Maybe these clue less men who govern our country don’t care, but the long term legacy of this will resonate through our social fabric for the next forty years long after these bastards are dead and gone. We must take back our country starting with the elections this fall. After we get our people out of there, please, don’t let us forget them. Whe must make sure that veterans needs are fully funded and that we don’t forget them and throw them away as this administration is so intent on doing.
When we have representation again, please, we must keep after them to hold the people responsible for this accountable. How ever long it takes, how ever hard it is, we can not let these people who profited, these greedy fucking bastards who enabled, encouraged, and participated in this looting of AMERICA and the loss of so many innocent lives (U.S., coalition, and Iraqi)
We deserve better, The Iraqi’s deserve better, and for damn sure our Service men and women deserve better. I thought of myself as a republican through much of the 80’s and early 90’s. But after the first gulf war and how veterens where treated and the rise of the corporations and the republican rise to power I realized that this was not the things that I could stand for. I regestered as a Democrat and participated in my first Iowa Caucus. I love this site and enjoy the people who blog here. Lets all work to make sure these bastards get what they deserve.
I feel sick.
One of the most moving posts I have read in a long time…there were times when I had to walk away from reading it; and if I was moved to that extent, I can only imagine the anguish of these families. My heart and prayers go out to these fathers and mothers who are dealing with this kind of loss
Isakson on the senate floor saying the insurgency in Iraq is being led by AQ–
claims we defeated the Taliban and won in Afghanistan and are winning in Iraq. If we set deadlines, then all those who died in Iraq will have died in vain.
This is what we are up against. The Senators are on the floor right now in full battle dress, defending this debacle and crime.
Kyl– we can’t withdraw, we must win.
Oh, and by the way, if these soldiers’ body armor , boots, or weapons are missing, the Pentagon will surely deduct the retail amount from their death benefit checks.
Re Anne’s 68:
All the budgetary reform in the world — were it forthcoming, and we know it ain’t — couldn’t recover the billions squandered by “inattentive” Rumsfeld’s DoD.
Lucre that should have been encasing our soldiers and Marines in greater safety — in AFGHANISTAN, NEVER IRAQ, I should stress — has stacked up instead in Lockheed’s and Halliburton’s and Blackwater’s and Rendon/Lincoln’s and God-only-knows-who-else’s coffers, becoming filthier by the second.
Their bottom line, and ours, makes the same point:
Worst. President. Ever.
Bush is (in)famous for saying he doesn’t read polls, and he saying that he listens to his military commanders on the ground. Perhaps that’s where we need to focus some attention.
We’ve talked about this before - that uniformed officers cannot go public without jeopardizing their career by violating the chain of command - but what I’m suggesting is to encourage these officers to speak up LOUDLY and directly within the chain of command about the mismanagement of the conflict from DC, the lack of a discernable picture of what “victory” looks like, which results in an inability to craft a plan to achieve that “victory.”
Good generals listen to their colonels and majors; good officers listen to their sergeants. Perhaps by encouraging these officers (commissioned and non-commissioned alike) to speak up, we might help shift the balance of power at the Pentagon toward a more thoughtful approach to conducting
a waran occupation.These are the folks who talk to Murtha, and we need more of them to do more talking. These people need to be heard, before they are dead or retired.
I have been reading Kevin. Phillips new book “Theocracy”. I am beginning to think that because we must have the oil that we will stay in Iraq. Its just common sense and the Democrats are no different than the Repugs.
Its just about the money. Both parties know this is true. Everything else is window dressing.