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		<title>By: oshkosk</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151961</link>
		<dc:creator>oshkosk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Citizenspook has, I’m sorry to say, rather eloquently, slammed Christy on her comments here&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yesterday, Christy Harden Smith responded to a comment by one of her readers familiar with this blog as follows;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“You don’t talk about proceedings while they are ongoing before the grand jury. In the presser after the Libby indictment, the new G/J had not yet been sworn in and informed about the investigation. They have now, and we just have to sit back and let the process take its normal course. There will be no comment from Fitz, I would bet, unless and until there are more proceedings or he folds up shop. Not while the grand jury proceeds with an investigation anyway. “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This comment contains two misleading statements:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1: A direct false assertion that no new grand jury had been impaneled.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. A blatant false implication based on the false assertion: since no new grand jury had been impaneled Samborn and Fitzgerald had a small window of opportunity to legally comment that the investigation would continue and that once a new grand jury had been impaneled they would not be able to say “the investigation will continue”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Both the assertion and the implication are patently false.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The false assertion is that the new grand jury had not been sworn in. FDL knows that’s a false assertion because FDL reported back on October 29, 2005 — in response to a New York Times article — that the new Grand Jury had already been impaneled. Here’s what Jane Hamsher wrote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hamsher: Looks like everyone’s struggling to keep up with Patrick Fitzgerald. NYT:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With the term of his grand jury at an end, Mr. Fitzgerald said he could present any new evidence to an already impaneled grand jury if needed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hamsher: Already impaneled? That’s new.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://citizenspook.blogspot.com&quot;&gt;http://citizenspook.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cross posted at DU in CS thread&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizenspook has, I’m sorry to say, rather eloquently, slammed Christy on her comments here</p>
<p>Yesterday, Christy Harden Smith responded to a comment by one of her readers familiar with this blog as follows;</p>
<p>“You don’t talk about proceedings while they are ongoing before the grand jury. In the presser after the Libby indictment, the new G/J had not yet been sworn in and informed about the investigation. They have now, and we just have to sit back and let the process take its normal course. There will be no comment from Fitz, I would bet, unless and until there are more proceedings or he folds up shop. Not while the grand jury proceeds with an investigation anyway. “</p>
<p>This comment contains two misleading statements:</p>
<p>1: A direct false assertion that no new grand jury had been impaneled.</p>
<p>2. A blatant false implication based on the false assertion: since no new grand jury had been impaneled Samborn and Fitzgerald had a small window of opportunity to legally comment that the investigation would continue and that once a new grand jury had been impaneled they would not be able to say “the investigation will continue”.</p>
<p>Both the assertion and the implication are patently false.</p>
<p>The false assertion is that the new grand jury had not been sworn in. FDL knows that’s a false assertion because FDL reported back on October 29, 2005 — in response to a New York Times article — that the new Grand Jury had already been impaneled. Here’s what Jane Hamsher wrote:</p>
<p>Hamsher: Looks like everyone’s struggling to keep up with Patrick Fitzgerald. NYT:</p>
<p>With the term of his grand jury at an end, Mr. Fitzgerald said he could present any new evidence to an already impaneled grand jury if needed.</p>
<p>Hamsher: Already impaneled? That’s new.</p>
<p><a href="http://citizenspook.blogspot.com">http://citizenspook.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>cross posted at DU in CS thread</p>
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		<title>By: molly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151932</link>
		<dc:creator>molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To Fitz. watchers. waynemadsenreport is saying a grand jury wasn’t needed for Rove and all. There was enough evidence without it.Gives the address to write Fitz with a “What’s up?” Says jury is mostly black, in D.C. Whew! Might be some justice here, if we don’t give up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Fitz. watchers. waynemadsenreport is saying a grand jury wasn’t needed for Rove and all. There was enough evidence without it.Gives the address to write Fitz with a “What’s up?” Says jury is mostly black, in D.C. Whew! Might be some justice here, if we don’t give up.</p>
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		<title>By: molly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151482</link>
		<dc:creator>molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So citizenspook is all tinfoily? Bet you think we have fair elections too. Why would any sane person not think that these criminals would call off an investigation. Nixon would have finished out his term if he could have gotten away with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So citizenspook is all tinfoily? Bet you think we have fair elections too. Why would any sane person not think that these criminals would call off an investigation. Nixon would have finished out his term if he could have gotten away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151469</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fwiw, I would like to say about Carville and Matalin, love goes where it will.  You can be horrified, but don’t demonize someone for who they fall in love with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Carville starts acting with the Republicans in an egregiously awful way, then pulverize him.  Until then, let people love each other in freedom–isn’t that one of our progressive goals?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fwiw, I would like to say about Carville and Matalin, love goes where it will.  You can be horrified, but don’t demonize someone for who they fall in love with.</p>
<p>If Carville starts acting with the Republicans in an egregiously awful way, then pulverize him.  Until then, let people love each other in freedom–isn’t that one of our progressive goals?</p>
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		<title>By: Stogie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151419</link>
		<dc:creator>Stogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fitz sold out. Rove should have, by all rights gone down (FIVE trips to the grand jury and that scurrilous tub of goo skates? Please.)  and added to the list of “official” evildoers. Now, all there is is some guy named “Scooter” who claims a faulty memory. It’s total bullshit, but won’t register with the common, ignoramus who voted for the boy chimp, and won’t register with a lot of the rest who are more concerned with gas prices and their jobs. “Scooter” will be pardoned, things will move on, and the whole thing will be fodder for the History Channel in a couple of years. And I had such faith in Fitz.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fitz sold out. Rove should have, by all rights gone down (FIVE trips to the grand jury and that scurrilous tub of goo skates? Please.)  and added to the list of “official” evildoers. Now, all there is is some guy named “Scooter” who claims a faulty memory. It’s total bullshit, but won’t register with the common, ignoramus who voted for the boy chimp, and won’t register with a lot of the rest who are more concerned with gas prices and their jobs. “Scooter” will be pardoned, things will move on, and the whole thing will be fodder for the History Channel in a couple of years. And I had such faith in Fitz.</p>
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		<title>By: badick</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151357</link>
		<dc:creator>badick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christi,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But he is a coward as he has demonstrated so many times before by his unwillingness to accept responsibility for anything…..He’ll take the cowards way out!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christi,</p>
<p>But he is a coward as he has demonstrated so many times before by his unwillingness to accept responsibility for anything…..He’ll take the cowards way out!</p>
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		<title>By: RAR-Hawk</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151216</link>
		<dc:creator>RAR-Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can Chimpy pardon him for anything he has ever done or only for specific charges. Can’t Fitz than just charge him with any of the other crimes not charged? Does Bush really want to give a presidential pardon for the underlying crimes? Outing an undercover CIA agent, disclosing secret or confidential information. Isn’t that kinda hard to write on a piece of paper for all eternity? Kinda hard to keep trotting out that whole meme about rethugs being trustworthy on the issue of security wouldn’t it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can Chimpy pardon him for anything he has ever done or only for specific charges. Can’t Fitz than just charge him with any of the other crimes not charged? Does Bush really want to give a presidential pardon for the underlying crimes? Outing an undercover CIA agent, disclosing secret or confidential information. Isn’t that kinda hard to write on a piece of paper for all eternity? Kinda hard to keep trotting out that whole meme about rethugs being trustworthy on the issue of security wouldn’t it?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151188</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please explain how it is possible to pardon someone preemptively. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the theorey that he is being given a message that he will be pardonned if he doesn’t drag too many others down with him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But how can you stop a trial or drop charges with a pardon.  How would Bush have the authority to do that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain how it is possible to pardon someone preemptively. </p>
<p>I like the theorey that he is being given a message that he will be pardonned if he doesn’t drag too many others down with him.</p>
<p>But how can you stop a trial or drop charges with a pardon.  How would Bush have the authority to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessean</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151166</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This “pardon” business is a message to Scooter: Keep Quiet~don’t make waves~don’t tell ‘em anything about Rove or Dick or W. We’ll take care of you. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sort of the antithesis of the horse head in the bed scenario, if you get my meaning. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DiGenova is passing along the message for the WH~but the interesting thing about it is, I always thought that Judy Miller’s note in her “stenographer’s” notebook that said “Victoria” was a reference to a source named Victoria Toensing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think about it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This “pardon” business is a message to Scooter: Keep Quiet~don’t make waves~don’t tell ‘em anything about Rove or Dick or W. We’ll take care of you. </p>
<p>Sort of the antithesis of the horse head in the bed scenario, if you get my meaning. </p>
<p>DiGenova is passing along the message for the WH~but the interesting thing about it is, I always thought that Judy Miller’s note in her “stenographer’s” notebook that said “Victoria” was a reference to a source named Victoria Toensing.</p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/20/popping-the-trial-balloon/#comment-151161</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Asking Toensing and Digenova about the Libby case is like asking Trump about casinos, it is worth finding any other opinion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking Toensing and Digenova about the Libby case is like asking Trump about casinos, it is worth finding any other opinion.</p>
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