Comments on: Send In the Cons… http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/ Firedoglake weblog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:57:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Cranky Observer http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150338 Cranky Observer Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:19:49 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150338 <p>Great taxonomy.</p> <p>The only thing I would point out is that after a lot of sighing, kicking, and complaining the paleocons did in the end vote for George W Bush and the neocon agenda in 2004. So that tells me something about their committement to their own ideology, and their willingness to be manipulated/used.</p> <p>Cranky</p> Great taxonomy.

The only thing I would point out is that after a lot of sighing, kicking, and complaining the paleocons did in the end vote for George W Bush and the neocon agenda in 2004. So that tells me something about their committement to their own ideology, and their willingness to be manipulated/used.

Cranky

]]> By: Eureka Springs, AR http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150269 Eureka Springs, AR Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:37:27 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150269 <p>Thanks for this post and so many interesting comments. The largest party consists of those who don’t vote, like me in ‘04. Up until ‘04 I always voted dem-dumb. I will vote to throw out every single repug possible in ‘06. The next candidate for dog catcher or president (same thing) that has a true spine for the people and constitution, will capture enough of the silent anger and fear from enough of every single stereotype mentioned in this thread. Including the silent majority. I hope Dems will quit trying to find some “CON” love or “Con” converts.<br /> I want our party back!! or another party….</p> <p>Am I a Democrat or a tossed Green?</p> <p>Equal Public Campaign Finance<br /> Energy-Education-Health<br /> End OccupationS and fifty percent of Mil. Ind. Complex. at least. NOW!<br /> Rip the hinges off the doors of secret goverment.<br /> Women rights and human rights.<br /> Skype the bureaucracy.<br /> Fiber optic net, in every home with electricity.<br /> Social Security Emergency Revival.<br /> Twelve dollar minimum wage.<br /> Open borders with strictly enforced work permits.<br /> Workers bill of rights…..all workers<br /> Budget and deficit responsibility.<br /> ENVIRONMENTAL considerations go into everything.<br /> oh burn flags, if you must, not the constitution.<br /> Marry who you love and share recipes with everyone.<br /> What Nate said !!!! Thank you Nate!<br /> Wyo Nate at 48: I would work like hell for any candidate whose platform was “I’m for repealing everything that’s been done for the past five years and getting it right.”</p> Thanks for this post and so many interesting comments. The largest party consists of those who don’t vote, like me in ‘04. Up until ‘04 I always voted dem-dumb. I will vote to throw out every single repug possible in ‘06. The next candidate for dog catcher or president (same thing) that has a true spine for the people and constitution, will capture enough of the silent anger and fear from enough of every single stereotype mentioned in this thread. Including the silent majority. I hope Dems will quit trying to find some “CON” love or “Con” converts.
I want our party back!! or another party….

Am I a Democrat or a tossed Green?

Equal Public Campaign Finance
Energy-Education-Health
End OccupationS and fifty percent of Mil. Ind. Complex. at least. NOW!
Rip the hinges off the doors of secret goverment.
Women rights and human rights.
Skype the bureaucracy.
Fiber optic net, in every home with electricity.
Social Security Emergency Revival.
Twelve dollar minimum wage.
Open borders with strictly enforced work permits.
Workers bill of rights…..all workers
Budget and deficit responsibility.
ENVIRONMENTAL considerations go into everything.
oh burn flags, if you must, not the constitution.
Marry who you love and share recipes with everyone.
What Nate said !!!! Thank you Nate!
Wyo Nate at 48: I would work like hell for any candidate whose platform was “I’m for repealing everything that’s been done for the past five years and getting it right.”

]]> By: shootthatarrow http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150268 shootthatarrow Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:20:39 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150268 <p>Something about that 70’s look…these two<br /> young “GOPers” sure seem destined for greatness<br /> and sure enough…30 years later it’s the top<br /> of the heap for them.<br /> It surely would have been an even greater pix<br /> in time if George the Younger was in it. That<br /> would have been great for putting in word balloons on several topics.<br /> We do know that these two young chargers<br /> out of the post-Nixon era had a desire to<br /> serve their country and by God they have.<br /> Dick,the Energy and Security Vice-Roy of the<br /> Bush the Second WH has done an outstanding job<br /> in both areas for the backers and backslappers<br /> he runs with.<br /> Don,that adroit and consumate Washington guy has become the Field Marshall of GWOT and<br /> the skinny war concept so well practiced in<br /> Iraq. He sure does have the Pentagon running<br /> smooth. Reportedly the Boeing Tanker Lease was<br /> not something he was very aware of. With the<br /> war of terror to ride herd on and whacking<br /> Iraq on the cheap he couldn’t be bothered with<br /> some bloated and graft laden airplane deal.<br /> It is a great photo of two guys whom destiny<br /> would bring to positions of major influence in<br /> the early 21st century.<br /> Too bad for the United States. And for all<br /> Americans who will have to clean up after these<br /> two and the guy who supposedly being the<br /> DECIDER put them on his payroll float into the<br /> pages of post power American History.</p> Something about that 70’s look…these two
young “GOPers” sure seem destined for greatness
and sure enough…30 years later it’s the top
of the heap for them.
It surely would have been an even greater pix
in time if George the Younger was in it. That
would have been great for putting in word balloons on several topics.
We do know that these two young chargers
out of the post-Nixon era had a desire to
serve their country and by God they have.
Dick,the Energy and Security Vice-Roy of the
Bush the Second WH has done an outstanding job
in both areas for the backers and backslappers
he runs with.
Don,that adroit and consumate Washington guy has become the Field Marshall of GWOT and
the skinny war concept so well practiced in
Iraq. He sure does have the Pentagon running
smooth. Reportedly the Boeing Tanker Lease was
not something he was very aware of. With the
war of terror to ride herd on and whacking
Iraq on the cheap he couldn’t be bothered with
some bloated and graft laden airplane deal.
It is a great photo of two guys whom destiny
would bring to positions of major influence in
the early 21st century.
Too bad for the United States. And for all
Americans who will have to clean up after these
two and the guy who supposedly being the
DECIDER put them on his payroll float into the
pages of post power American History.

]]> By: timbob http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150117 timbob Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:46:07 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150117 <p>you forgot RepubliCons</p> you forgot RepubliCons

]]> By: ppp http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150055 ppp Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:15:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-150055 <p>#155 “Black churches often talk about politics.” There are a plethora of non profits that cross political lines in this country, Quakers for example. As well there are many powerful lobbies… anti-Semitic, I wouldn’t know but there are also all types of Israelis. I remain unsettled by your comments as well as your post, as you say I have no time. I do appreciate the update although the blanket statements are to me hit and run.</p> #155 “Black churches often talk about politics.” There are a plethora of non profits that cross political lines in this country, Quakers for example. As well there are many powerful lobbies… anti-Semitic, I wouldn’t know but there are also all types of Israelis. I remain unsettled by your comments as well as your post, as you say I have no time. I do appreciate the update although the blanket statements are to me hit and run.

]]> By: HopeSpringsATurtle http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149988 HopeSpringsATurtle Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:36:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149988 <p>Did anyone answer the question: What kind of Dems…? I stopped reading posts and started thinking, ‘Powerless’ is the BIG group of Dems, the ones that feel it “…doesn’t make a difference if I vote, cause its’ FIXED”…I’m a ‘true believer’ that is stupified by the Right’s ability to hyno-notize the masses. In order to reach the disempowered we need to talk to them and while I apprieciate the level of intellect and passion represented by FDL and others I’m terribly afraid we are preaching to the converted and engaging in a kind of mental masterbation. Rove triumphed because he tapped into the theocons FEELINGS and CONVINCED them they had POWER. If we don’t find a ‘marketing strategy’ that does the same were frankly, fucked. Rootz is great but we need to reach the masses that we know are out there and if we as Progressives don’t start dominating the conversation and leading the conversation in a pro-active way rather than a constant defensive stance we are gonna lose again. The “American Public” thinks the Dems are pussies (cause they are) and WE need to change that dialogue.</p> Did anyone answer the question: What kind of Dems…? I stopped reading posts and started thinking, ‘Powerless’ is the BIG group of Dems, the ones that feel it “…doesn’t make a difference if I vote, cause its’ FIXED”…I’m a ‘true believer’ that is stupified by the Right’s ability to hyno-notize the masses. In order to reach the disempowered we need to talk to them and while I apprieciate the level of intellect and passion represented by FDL and others I’m terribly afraid we are preaching to the converted and engaging in a kind of mental masterbation. Rove triumphed because he tapped into the theocons FEELINGS and CONVINCED them they had POWER. If we don’t find a ‘marketing strategy’ that does the same were frankly, fucked. Rootz is great but we need to reach the masses that we know are out there and if we as Progressives don’t start dominating the conversation and leading the conversation in a pro-active way rather than a constant defensive stance we are gonna lose again. The “American Public” thinks the Dems are pussies (cause they are) and WE need to change that dialogue.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149977 Ian Welsh Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:32:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149977 <p>Waitingforlefty - you may be right. The question is whether or not a “stab in the back” storyline will take hold. There’s a damn good chance it will, and it MUST be fought at all costs. It is not healthy for a democrtic country to have the military identify strongly with any political faction the way that the military did (does?) with the Republicans.</p> <p>However I do believe the senior officer corp is off the reservation. The question is whether that can be driven down through the junion officer corp and into the enlisted men.</p> Waitingforlefty – you may be right. The question is whether or not a “stab in the back” storyline will take hold. There’s a damn good chance it will, and it MUST be fought at all costs. It is not healthy for a democrtic country to have the military identify strongly with any political faction the way that the military did (does?) with the Republicans.

However I do believe the senior officer corp is off the reservation. The question is whether that can be driven down through the junion officer corp and into the enlisted men.

]]> By: clueless http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149974 clueless Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:32:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149974 <p><i>93 Ian Welsh says: </i></p> <p>June 19th, 2006 at 3:27 pm </p> <p>Hi John at 83. Yup, I’ve read it. ;) </p> <p>James Moran is the person whom MBNA rescued:</p> <p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A33671-2002Jul6">http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....1-2002Jul6</a></p> <p>Nearly $700,000 in debt and juggling two dozen credit cards, U.S. Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) had begun to slip behind on his payments. One bank had already rejected his application for a loan.</p> <p>“I didn’t see any way out,” Moran said in an interview. </p> <p>MBNA Corp., a credit card lender with critical legislation pending on Capitol Hill, came to his rescue.</p> <p>On Jan. 30, 1998, MBNA gave its delinquent borrower Moran a $447,500 home refinancing package that consolidated much of his debt at a lower interest rate. It was the largest mortgage package MBNA reported giving to a single borrower that year, an analysis of Federal Reserve records shows. </p> <p>Ian - fair is fair. I believe that many/most of us here at FDL are in favor of some major house cleaning of our own Dem house. If you spend much time reading some of our lib/progressive blogs, you know that we have MUCH frustration with our own Dem leaders. What’s right is right and what’s fair is fair. And what you have referenced in this post is ample evidence of two Dem shitbags that need to be kicked out of Congress. We cannot criticize the right if we cannot keep the left clean. Hypocracy is NOT a Dem plank.</p> 93 Ian Welsh says:

June 19th, 2006 at 3:27 pm

Hi John at 83. Yup, I’ve read it. ;)

James Moran is the person whom MBNA rescued:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..1-2002Jul6

Nearly $700,000 in debt and juggling two dozen credit cards, U.S. Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) had begun to slip behind on his payments. One bank had already rejected his application for a loan.

“I didn’t see any way out,” Moran said in an interview.

MBNA Corp., a credit card lender with critical legislation pending on Capitol Hill, came to his rescue.

On Jan. 30, 1998, MBNA gave its delinquent borrower Moran a $447,500 home refinancing package that consolidated much of his debt at a lower interest rate. It was the largest mortgage package MBNA reported giving to a single borrower that year, an analysis of Federal Reserve records shows.

Ian – fair is fair. I believe that many/most of us here at FDL are in favor of some major house cleaning of our own Dem house. If you spend much time reading some of our lib/progressive blogs, you know that we have MUCH frustration with our own Dem leaders. What’s right is right and what’s fair is fair. And what you have referenced in this post is ample evidence of two Dem shitbags that need to be kicked out of Congress. We cannot criticize the right if we cannot keep the left clean. Hypocracy is NOT a Dem plank.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149970 Ian Welsh Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:31:04 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149970 <p>“This post is troubling for me? Use the IRS to target Tax exempt status? Black churches being hurt how? Israeli ties do what?”</p> <p>Black churches often talk about politics, as do right wing churches, that puts their tax exempt status at risk. The IRS has already gone after some liberal churches where ministers talked politics before the election. Turnaround is fair play and liberals have to stop being wimps about things like this or allowing Republican hypocrisy on such issues. Want to put churches in play, fine, let’s put churches in play.</p> <p>There is no question that prominent Neocons have strong Israeli ties. I have no time for the types who try and pretend they don’t exist, or that mentioning them is somehow anti-semitic, a card the Neocons have played often.</p> <p>The strength of the Israeli lobby in Washington is unquestioned. It is probably the single most powerful lobby in the United States.</p> “This post is troubling for me? Use the IRS to target Tax exempt status? Black churches being hurt how? Israeli ties do what?”

Black churches often talk about politics, as do right wing churches, that puts their tax exempt status at risk. The IRS has already gone after some liberal churches where ministers talked politics before the election. Turnaround is fair play and liberals have to stop being wimps about things like this or allowing Republican hypocrisy on such issues. Want to put churches in play, fine, let’s put churches in play.

There is no question that prominent Neocons have strong Israeli ties. I have no time for the types who try and pretend they don’t exist, or that mentioning them is somehow anti-semitic, a card the Neocons have played often.

The strength of the Israeli lobby in Washington is unquestioned. It is probably the single most powerful lobby in the United States.

]]> By: WaitingforLefty http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149950 WaitingforLefty Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:25:19 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/19/send-in-the-cons/#comment-149950 <p>With all due respect, I think you are wrong about the MilitaryCons. They are still strongly in the Republican camp. Read the freepers: many, many of them are active duty and retired military who love the war and see it as their chance to save the world from terrorism if the liberal media would just shut up and let them. Many sort of miss the Cold War and its (to them) moral clarity, they see Iraq as Vietnam II, and they are not going to let the left deprive them of their victory this time around. Do not fall too readily for the dkos sentiment that the military is just ripe for pickings for the Democrats: just visit with real live servicemen, not just left blogger pinups, and you’ll see they are largely for the war and deeply resent those who oppose it.</p> With all due respect, I think you are wrong about the MilitaryCons. They are still strongly in the Republican camp. Read the freepers: many, many of them are active duty and retired military who love the war and see it as their chance to save the world from terrorism if the liberal media would just shut up and let them. Many sort of miss the Cold War and its (to them) moral clarity, they see Iraq as Vietnam II, and they are not going to let the left deprive them of their victory this time around. Do not fall too readily for the dkos sentiment that the military is just ripe for pickings for the Democrats: just visit with real live servicemen, not just left blogger pinups, and you’ll see they are largely for the war and deeply resent those who oppose it.

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