
(Huge thank you to Ian for guest posting this. It’s cross-posted from The Agonist for our readers. Fascinating stuff and sure to start some debate here – and well worth the discussion, not just for the Republi-con side of things, but also for consideration on the Democratic side of the aisle as well. And I couldn’t resist on the title, Ian — it was just too perfect with the picture. — CHS)
TheoCons, NeoCons, CorporateCons, RichCons, LibertarianCons, PaleoCons and MilitaryCons
As with all big tent parties the Republicans are filled with factions who disagree about a great deal. Today I’m going to take a quick whirl through the 7 main factions.
The first are the TheoCons. The so-called Religious Right. People often think that clout and power in a movement is about money. It isn’t, it’s about votes. And the TheoCons deliver votes. The problem in modern campaigning is finding people who can reliably deliver votes – the religious right, in any riding can often say "I can delivery X thousand votes." That’s worth a lot – it may only be a few percentage points, but it’s a few percentage points they can give you, or can deny – thousands of votes you don’t have to try and reach through expensive saturation advertising or time consuming canvassing to identify your voters. Almost no other group can quantify the number of people they can get to vote in the way the religious right can, and that is the source of their power.
For the religious right the primary issue is the judiciary. They want, they need, to change its makeup. It’s not an accident that Harriet Myers was the bridge too far for them for Bush – they were willing to eat a lot, but what they weren’t willing to take a flyer on was the possibility that she might turn out not to vote their way on key issues like abortion.
The religious right is vulnerable to a concerted attack on them through the IRS and if Democrats get into power that’s what they should consider doing (the counterargument is that it could hurt black churches). Tax exempt status is on the line for religious organizations which influence politics (as various attacks on liberal ministers have shown) and the religious right is much more vulnerable to this than the religious left.
The NeoCons are a philosophical movement. They are not a voting block and they cannot deliver any significant number of votes. They have power because their members are influential intellectuals, are long time senior political figures and because of their Israeli ties (yes, the Israeli lobby is, ummm, rather powerful in Washington, shall we say.)
Ex-liberals who found that Democrats weren’t interested in changing the world one violent conquest at a time, NeoCons have a touchingly idealistic view of how war can spread democracy and how democratic nations will be happy to sell the US oil cheap (and more importantly, become consumer societies that buy US goods and services and thus aren’t nothing but a giant sucking sound of oil wealth gushing into the hands of a few rich men while devastating the US’s current account balance.)
It’s one of those solutions that actually would solve a lot of things. Assuming, of course, that the US had the ability to force democracy and consumer culture down the throat of a few oil producing nations.
Which it doesn’t. I’d be rich if I could turn straw into gold too.
The Neocons, like the libertarians, provide intellectual cover for the rest of the movement. It is premature to say their day is over, however when members as prominent as Francis Fukayama (the idiot who wrote "The End of History") are trying to disassociate themselves it’s fair to say they are moving into winter.
CorporateCons are the corporate interests who buy representatives and bills. They give millions and they get billions in return. The best way, bar none, in the US, to get rich, is to get a bill passed. The ROI (return on investment) is often thousands to one. It is no accident that the Telecom companies are trying to pass a bill gutting network neutrality and giving them monopoly profits. It was no accident that the Bankruptcy bill, sponsored by a Senator whom credit card company MBNA had kindly helped out of his multi-hundred thousand dollar debt, passed and made sure that normal people would find it harder to use bankruptcy to clear debt, while corporations and the rich would find it easier.
Nor was it an accident that copyright extension was passed just before Mickey Mouse would have gone into the public domain.
Corporations used to hedge their bets by giving equally to both Republicans and Democrats, but under Tom DeLay and the K-Street project they generally moved to supporting the Republicans much more than the Democrats, in some cases cutting Dems off entirely. Now that it appears that Dems may recapture the legislative bodies they are trying to hedge their bets again, and some Democratic leaders are shaking the trees again.
Their money is poisoned fruit that comes only with heavy strings attached. It limits the ability to pass good legislation, or to campaign for popular things (like universal healthcare, for example.) As such, smart Democrats will refuse it, even as Dean has relied heavily on small donors and reduced the influence of the large ones.
But money is hard to turn down, so we’ll see if the CorporateCons decide that being CorporateLibs is more conducive to their bottom lines. Although it sure is hard to give up all those tax cuts… (and that’s the bottom line. Democrats and Republicans both do favours for corporations, but there are places Democrats as a party have been unwilling to go which Republicans go to with glee.)
There is some overlap between RichCons and CorporateCons, especially as executive, CEO and Board Member salaries have soared to multiples of hundreds of times those of ordinary workers. They share a desire to see low taxes, low capital gains taxes in particular. But the particular obsession of the oldtime RichCons is the estate tax.
The multimillion-dollar lobbying effort to repeal the federal estate tax has been aggressively led by 18 super-wealthy families, according to a report released today by Public Citizen and United for a Fair Economy at a press conference in Washington, D.C. The report details for the first time the vast money, influence and deceptive marketing techniques behind the rhetoric in the campaign to repeal the tax.
It reveals how 18 families worth a total of $185.5 billion have financed and coordinated a 10-year effort to repeal the estate tax, a move that would collectively net them a windfall of $71.6 billion.
The report profiles the families and their businesses, which include the families behind Wal-Mart, Gallo wine, Campbell’s soup, and Mars Inc., maker of M&Ms. Collectively, the list includes the first- and third-largest privately held companies in the United States, the richest family in Alabama and the world’s largest retailer.
The US has the most income inequality of any industrial nation in the world and the rich want to keep it that way. There’s a reason why estate tax repeal is revisited time and time again.
In general, in addition to estate tax repeal, the rich lobby for flat tax income tax systems (which would leave the US with a regressive tax system when all taxes are considered), for capital gains and dividend income to be taxed at a lower rate than earned income (because they don’t work, or if they do their salaries are much lower than the money they earn through stocks, options and bonds) and for lax money controls (so they can move their money to foreign domiciles where it is taxed even less, while still living in the US to enjoy the high lifestyle.)
As with CorporateCons the rich at one time used to divide their money between Republicans and Democrats. And there are plenty of rich who support Democrats, however the Rich who support Republicans, like Mellon-Scaife are much more dedicated and are willing to pump in a great deal of money, not so much as election donations (Democrats generally do better on that from the rich) but in building infrastructure like think tanks and so on. The majority of the Republican infrastructure which progressives bewail was built by the rich.
They think long term, they invest long term, and they are now trying to get even more return on the many billions of dollars they’ve used to create the modern Republican movement.
LibertarianCons are the ideological blade of Republicanism. (The Neocons were the sharp edge.) They reassure Americans that Republicans don’t want to tax you, don’t want to tell you who you can sleep with, don’t want to control you. Or, at least, that Republicans are a lot less likely to do so than those nasty mommy state Democrats with their black helicopters and intentions to have the UN take over the US.
In numbers they aren’t significant, maybe a couple percent. They can’t directly deliver votes. But in terms of ideology and of propaganda the importance of Libertarians can’t be overstated.
Especially since, for a long time, Libertarians could be counted on to swallow hard when things like the Patriot Act came up and say things like "well, Democrats are even worse." However, the CATO institute, the flagship libertarian think tank has lately gone of reservation and even been kicked out of Grover Norquist’s weekly meetings (the meetings which pretty much run the conservative movement.)
Libertarians have lost it (mostly over the budget.) As such their willingness to carry rhetorical and ideological water for the Republicans is very much in question right now. And that’s very bad for the Republicans because Libertarians provide, along with neocons, the idealistic glow to Republicans that the rich and corporate interests simply can’t, since they’re just in it because they want more money.
PaleoCons are the group that fascinates me most. They’ve been immensely conflicted ever since the buildup to the Iraq war, when figures like Pat Buchannan went off the reservation. Paleocons are nativists (with a tendency to racism), they believe in protectionism, they hate foreign wars and they believe in strong immigration control. They are strongly pro-working class.
Bush has done almost nothing the Paleocons approve of. They despise his war, they hate the idea of a guest worker program and they loathed CAFTA. They did carry some water for him at times, but overall they’re off the reservation.
Paleocon ideals have a great deal of appeal in the US – isolationism is a strong streak in the US, the Paleocon idealization of the working and middle class is real and they were on the right side of the war right from the beginning. Protectionism is already looking very politically attractive and it will look even more attractive to workers like those at Delphi who are facing 50% wage cuts.
The most likely 2008 scenario which does not involve a Democratic presidency involves a Republican maverick running strongly against Bush. A paleocon candidate, or a Republican running with paleocon support and ideology, will be an ideal position – able to speak against the war, calling for protectionism and talking sincerely about wanting to help the middle and lower class.
The paleocons, as populists, are best positioned to gut Democrats in many of their non-minority constituencies. They should be watched very very carefully, and Democrats should stop letting them flank them on issues like the war and the economy.
MilitaryCons were created during the massive military cuts of the early nineties. As the Soviet Union collapsed the military and defense industry lost about 30% of their jobs. It was devastating and they blamed Bill Clinton (though George Bush Sr. was equally responsible, he started it, he wasn’t around for most of it.) Already Republican leaning this pushed them heavily into the Republican camp.
This camp made Clinton’s life hell on earth. They were relentless in their attacks and their disrespect. As with the modern progressive blogosphere these activists could be, and were, unleashed in huge letter writing, fax and call in campaigns on people who displeased them. They could make any journalist or politician who crossed them absolutely miserable for a period of time.
The Iraq war and Bush and the Republican’s constant disrespect on important issues like VA hospitals and equipment such as body armor, along with their complete incompetence, has weakened the attachment. The senior military command is no longer even remotely Republican in sentiment and the rest of the officer corp and enlisted men and trending away. They are still Republican on the numbers, but the strength of the attachment is way down, and it appears to be trending towards nominal.
This is a wing of the Republican party which can potentially be split off from it, and that’s what the fighting Dems is all about. Even if they can’t be brought into the Democratic coalition, moving them back to neutrality, or near neutrality, takes away much of the Republican ability to use the military to imply that only Republicans are patriotic. Likewise the lessening fervor removes a great deal of fear from Congresscritters.
Concluding Remarks The core of the Republican movement are the Theocons (they can’t go to the Democrats), the RichCons (Democrats aren’t going to repeal the estate tax) and NeoCons (Democrats loathe them.) Attached but unhappy and willing to play the other side are Libertarians and CorporateCons. Trying to become the lead horse in the trace are the Paleocons, who think their day has come. And possible to split off are the MilitaryCons (and arguably the Libertarians, though their intellectual dishonesty is so great I doubt it. They’ll return to the fold, but they might be neutralized for an election or two by disgust.)
And now for a question – what do readers think the factions of the Democratic party are? I confess they are not as clear to me as the Republican factions, though there are some obvious candidates….
(Dick Cheney, with more hair on the left, and Donald Rumsfeld, on the right, above.)
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Q: Do you think that you underestimated the insurgency’s strength?
Cheney: I think so, umm I guess, the uh, if I look back on it now. I don’t think anybody anticipated the level of violence that we’ve encountered….
He blamed Saddam’s harsh regime for his miscalculation, but when no WMD’s were found, many used that as a reason for invading Iraq. And then we have this:
In 1992 Dick Cheney said this after the first Gulf War:
“And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth?” Cheney said then in response to a question.
“And the answer is not very damned many. So I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we’d achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.”
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..html#a8777
“Riding”? Canadians have “ridings.” Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Sometimes the Canadian comes through Lambert.
Ian,
Welcome to our place!
Actually, sometimes Canadians have a clearer perspective on America than “we” do. Except for the Canadian wingers, of course.
Lambert at 2 — Don’t hate Ian because he’s Canadian, eh?
Great post, Ian — thanks so much for cross-posting for us. Thought you’d get a kick out of the picture. *g*
Great piece Ian!
Me, I call the paleos, ‘Neandercons’.
Unfortunately, you missed the ‘NewbieCons’ which, apparently are being recruited by stuff like this.
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In thinking about your original post on The Agonist, and commenting there, I still think there is a large population in republican land that are the Conned-Cons. Lots of folk who thought they were buying something other than what they got.
People in general do not like to be conned by anyone. The Conned-Cons are the group we have the best chance of swaying. We hear stories daily of those who are “seeing the error of their ways.”
And….. why is it that the young Richard B. looks so much like the younger Johnny Dean (sans glasses of course)?
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RossK, are you talking about Rumsfeld?
English – English dictionary:
Ridings are districts.
(Whenever the “English as the national language” discussion comes up, I just have to ask “Which English language?”)
Leslie at 11 — I think he’s talking about Cheney. It’s tough to recognize him with that half a head of hair. *g*
Christy,
OMG! I didn’t recognize Darth! It must have been before he put his mask and cloak on.
Definitely Dick.
Maybe he was thinking of making a move on Mo while little John was cooling his heels in the slammer?
(speaking purely speculatively, of course).
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RevDeb at 14 — hehehe I knew you guys would get a kick out of the picture. *g*
It’s tough to recognize him with that half a head of hair. *g*
… or without that trademark snarl… or that xtra 100 lbs…
:-)
…or a shotgun…
(oh, oops, did I type that out loud…)
Talk about “Con artists!” Those two get the prize.
And where’s the man from Searle’s Metamucil anyhow?
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How could anyone miss those “I’m so paranoid” eyes? LOL!
Aren’t they rich?
look how they squeal
Idealogical blades
for tax repeal
Send in the cons
there have to be cons
Where are the cons?
Get worried, they’re here
See Dead-eye Dick
with Rum by his side
squeezing his trigger again
and looking snide
Send in the cons
there have to be cons
Where are the cons
who con us with fear?
Iraq’s no mess
they’re in the last throes
freedom is still on the march
the story goes
Send in the cons
the corporate cons
behaving like dons
they con us with fear
2008
looks might wierd
Bush’s boy Leiberman now
cries in his beer,
“I’m not a con.
Not really a con
I can’t be a con
til early next year”
i have become quite aware of ttwo big factions in the dem party. there are the CON-versationalist, who like to talk about every thing but do little in action. then there are the CON-tortionist trying to keep the big dem machine politics in gear but the wheels seem to be falling off. then there are the communities like FDL or KOS or josh marshalls readers, who, in my opinion, are what will drive the party back from the brink
Rummy and Cheney,
Kinda like Hope and Crosby, only not funny, and killing troops instead of making them laugh.
What I find interesting is the overlap between the various species of the genus “Cons”. For instance, there is a significant TheoCon presence in the military. The recent flap at the Air Force Academy over improper religious activities by senior AFA leaders led a prominent AF Chaplain to resign in protest last June. The PBS NewsHour had a report on this, with a transcript here: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb…..02-22.html
Gotta run – the four year old calls – but I’ll be in and out to catch more of this later!
Annakin Cheney… whoa!
Peterr–
Keep that 4 year old away from the NSA Gamesite for Kids!
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Song contest about the Republican party!!
Great post, Ian.
shoe #22:
Genius, I tell you, genius!
shoephone 22
Standing O. well done :-)
If you look closely you can see Deadeye Dick Cheney had a nascent little sneer. Nothing of the gigantic sneer he has now, but it is just ever so perceptable.
35 Years later you can see just how big and how cynical Dick became.
-GSD
The Achille’s heel of the Democrats is indecision. Democrats are willing to listen to diverse opinions, which has been spun into a weakness. Rather than using that as an asset, the Demos have digressed to pre-feminist macho-female submissive role. Rather than advocating the issues of its constituents, the demos attempt to mollify the undecided, then the wavering, then the weak repugs, then whoever will give money. Where is the soul of the Democratic Party? The DLC (Democrats Lacking Courage) has preached such a strategy, “pretend you are Republicans and you might get elected.”
I say this as a 4-term Democratic legislator, not as an outsider.
People don’t vote Democrat because of the issues, but because Democrats no longer have soul … and courage.
Jim Lendall
Candidate for Governor of Arkansas
Green Party of Arkansas
jimlendall2006.com
How would you classify the middle manager at a large corporation who is for the Republicans because they are “good for business”. He receives only an indirect benefit, but supports the Corporatecon agenda nonetheless as he apes the behavior of his bosses and wants to be a “team player”.
Similarly, the small business owner likes the Repubs because he sees taxes (and to some extent regulation) as the Great Satan. He fails, though, to see that the Repubs support of a Fortune 500 agenda is what allows Walmart, etc. to squash him like a bug.
Do these both fall into the CorporateCon camp? Or are these very real types belong to separate tribes of their own?
GSD–
Is that the twinkle of an October Surprise I see in his eyes?
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You left one small but very potent element off the list in your very cogent post — the Criminalcons. President Eisenhower let the Criminalcons become a power in the Republican Party when he allowed Richard Nixon to stay on as his VP after the Checkers speech. Nixon’s dirty tricksters — Haldeman, Chotiner, Segretti — are the ancestors of Atwater and then Rove.
Eisenhower was personally fairly decent but he happily let Joe McCarthy and Dick Nixon bash the Democrats while remaining “above it all.” But in the end Eisenhower was above nothing. He may not have thought highly of his seedy allies but he let them build a permanent base in the Republican Party. Eisenhower might have thought he was using McCarthy and Nixon but in the end they used him and Eisenhower mortgaged his own character, and that of his Party for decades to come.
There is no way that the Democrats can convert CriminalCons to decent tactics (in their small numbers, votes are not really an issue). The only thing Democrats can do is to remind the public that Republicans — men like Lodge, Taft, Coolidge — may have protected the few against the many, may have taken money from corporations that mistreated workers — but they were, essentially, men of probity. I’m not sure the old Republicans would have let the current crop into their country clubs. If there are any Republicans with a shred of decency left — say, Lincoln Chafee — they now dance to the CriminalCon tune on nearly all crucial votes, nice as they might be in private.
By allowing in the CriminalCons, Eisenhower not only compromised his party, he damaged the national character when CriminalCons became the dominant force under Nixon and then under GW Bush.
Robust amens to those praising Ian and shoephone!!!
Pity ’tis, I actually remember having trouble telling John Dean apart from that WY congresscritter who always muttered under his breath . . .
Great post Ian, thanks.
The near sneer gave him away for me, but my how he has perfected it in the past 30 years.
RevDeb @9 – I hope you are right! Anecdotally, it seems so.
I hear lots of conservative Republians who are horrified by the current state of affairs.
If we garner support from the conned cons and if we can mobilize the somnambulant electorate, we may have a serious shot at gaining a majority in the house and senate.
I also half heard something on Air America today about corporations investing more heavily in the Democrats for midterms.
OT, but great news – Bobby Kennedy has announced that he’s working with attorneys to bring suit against the persons and corporations responsible for the 2004 Ohio election theft.
Keep on truckin’
One element I find missing (except through association with the LibertarianCons) are your classic old-school fiscal conservatives. Has fiscal conservatism fallen so far off the radar that nobody in the Republican Party can be said to be giving it any more than lip service?
If so I’d think these are people the Democrats could be wooing. Nobody who has ever balanced a checkbook or paid off a credit card can look at this Administration and believe it is even remotely competent…
One thing to note is that none of the Republican factions are quite demographic groups, although Thecons (Theos are a psychographic group – they believe the same things although they have similiar demographics as well) and MilitaryCons come close, and Paleocons try.
What these are are power factions mostly within the party, not demographic groups that vote for the party.
The counterexample on the Democratic side would be blacks, who are both a reliable demographic voting group and a power block within the party (Pelosi’s difficulties in dealing with the Congressional Black Caucus illustrate this, and those problems aren’t just about Jefferson.)
I would suggest a second Democratic group are the technocrats (Brad DeLong and Krugman are examples of these.)
There are also at least a couple ideological groups, and they are currently fighting it out very quietly (watch Rahm maneuvering, watch Pelosi and Murtha (who although conservative is a Pelosi loyalist) counter-moving.
I’m just a slut for Sondheim tunes…
Good post Ian,
Of course, I do not belong to an organized party, I’m a democrat. As far as your question goes, “what are the factions of the democratic party?” That is a tough one. If there is a “condition” that might mean three votes, the democrats drag it into the big tent. Not that that is a bad thing. Democrats are for people, Republicans are for things…property and wealth and such. I don’t think their is enough ink in the innernets to type out all the democrat factions.
lotus–
Really?
Back then I always thought Mr. Dean had better shoes.
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FOUL!
That picture was grossly altered, probably by some agenda-crazed Photoshop privateer hell bent on pictorially exploiting some indistinct bit of comedic ‘value’… And you know that, Christy Hardin Smith!
Here, the original, before those scurrilious besmirchments were performed upon these two upstanding public servants.
;>)
Christy at 13, I’ve had my senior moment of the day . . . I misread Johnny Dean as James Dean!
Yeah, the Cheney sneer is already there, and the smug self-satisfaction is there in spades. And Rummy looks like . . . I don’t know what. Almost innocent, from that angle.
I can’t remember when/where I first saw this photo, but I remember finding it really disturbing. It’s something about the way Cheney is looking at Rummy. Viewed through the lens of history, it’s just too portentous.
susan 37
It would seem to me that we need to keep reminding them that they HAVE BEEN CONNED! That is a message that the dems could get behind.
RFK jr. announced on his AAR show over the weekend that he and Mike Papantonio’s law firm are filing suits against Diebold. They have inside whistleblowers with good info. that they can’t make public until the suits are filed or else they wouldn’t have the standing to sue.
They are seeking triple damages over the $350 mil in contracts that the feds awarded Diebold et all through HAVA. That is a VERY expensive hit them in the gut lawsuit. They said it would be forthcoming in the next few weeks.
Darkblack:
KOBRBMAO!
:-)
Great post!
Regarding your closing question about factions in the Democratic Party, I think one is the MeTooCons represented by Senators Joe “I want to be President Security and Faith” Biden, Hillary “I want to be President?” Clinton and Joe “Some of my best friends are neocons” Lieberman.
The soon to be extinct, “Union-lib” suffering from lack of ideas and methods to mobilize the Labor movement in the U.S. (once you get some leaders in this movement, this would really help the Dems.)
The “Inability to Simplify my Message-lib”, huge numbers of these in leadership positions in the DNC right now.
Really, it all comes down to leadership. When the Democrats are able to identify a candidate with genuine charisma and leadership skills, the GOP is sunk.
My goal is to keep plugging away at the local level, educate people as I go. 2006 is important, 2008 is important, but I won’t be satisfied until we pull the curtains back from this shadow government shit.
I refuse to endorse or vote for any Dem that is not willing to fully investigate and air out, Iran-Contra, Iraq, Halliburton, Cheney’s Energy Council, Hurricane Katrina contracts, you get the point. This presidency is the result of 40 years of sweeping shit under the rug!
Hi Ian. That’s a good taxonomy of Republican politics, I think. Of course, I’m sure that many Republicans fit into two or more camps, but those do seem to be the reining idealogies.
The Democratic Party is actually a coalition of many interests that don’t always get along. I think you can roughly break them down into these categories:
civil rights activists – in the narrow sense of minority and women’s rights. They don’t seem to have a place in the Republican party, except in even more narrow circumstances like Christians in China and white men here. You could count most abortion rights advocates in this group, I think.
unions – need I explain? They really only have one party at this point, too.
environmentalists – sometimes at odds with the unions, sometimes with “liberals”. Sometimes, Republicans seem to court this constituency, but they’re not very good at it.
liberals – in favor of fairer economic policies and some intervention in “natural” economic patterns like increasing poverty, lack of opportunity in some places or populations, etc. Republicans only seem to be liberal when it comes to helping all those poor millionaires.
social libertarians – people who think the government has no business telling us what to do with our bodies or put in them. There are quite a few people who vote Republican who feel this way, too, but we really don’t get a good hearing in either party. The Democrats are just slightly less crappy on this issue than Republicans, IMHO.
Of course, most of us have combined interests. I’d have to characterize myself as a liberal and “social libertarian” first, and have at least some sympathies or common goals with folks in the other categories. I’m not too fond of unions, but I recognize their potential value to working people. I think some environmentalists really do need to get a life. Still, I like being paid well and working in a safe place, and I like having an atmosphere that is breathable, and figure most other folks do, too.
Picking nits…double negative second paragraph of The Neocons:
US goods and services and thus aren’t nothing
wish I could stay engaged, but I have another engagement%u2014dinner.
A great post.
I think there’s room in that cesspool (the right-wing equiv of the feverswamp?) for the MediaCons.
Is Viveca Novak doing pennance for her role in letting the worst American traitor since Benedict Arnold skate away from justice?
-GSD
I didn’t think in possible to make Darth Cheney look like Dana Carvey’s church lady.
That is sweet ! Thank you Joe and Rose Kennedy.
Darkblack! oh hilarious, is that poor John Cleese ? It’s just not fair.
Look what else The Decider has blowing against his sails as he looks to slip into port.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/…..rvey_x.htm
-GSD
Ah, so good that we have darkblack to keep good order of our memories.
susan and RevDeb, seen any linkies on RFK’s lawsuit?
Wyo Nate #48:
The decline of traditional labor has been a big negative in some states, but it’s being offset elsewhere by SEIU’s efforts in service industries. This group is perhaps a replacement for the so-called Reagan Democrats who’ve either become paleocons or died off.
con-con, can you do the con-con
Ian – I think the Dems always take the black vote for granted. Even if they still come through at election time, it isn’t because of party loyalty but because, like a lot of us, they don’t feel they have anywhere else to go except (D). I get the feeling the Black Caucus doesn’t have all that much power within the party because, they too, are often at odds with one another. The Jefferson situation may be an exception. Privately, a lot of BC members wanted Jefferson out, although as a group they hung together to defend him. Which I guess, is more than we can say for the rest of the Dems in Congress. But they often seem hamstrung in trying to define who they are without Kwesi Mfume. Your thoughts?
Cujo359 @ 49 – Nice job!
I keep thinking about the tables being turned on fiscal conservatives who have voted for republicans for years and now have to change their thinking… I think there’s plenty of room for them on the dem side now.
See, now Chuckie Schumer is going to read this and determine all he has to do is not a damn thing except appoint milquetoast toadies who don’t get excited about anything, because no one needs to get excited about democrats. The republicans, in their pwerful factions have left out one important group–someone who knows how to govern.
Hey Dark Black,
Contact me at gsiggob at verizon dot net.
I have some pictures for you.
Love the work as always. Now I am going to shut my fractious piehole.
-GSD
Darkblack — stand-in’s for Monty Python???
Newest recruits: illegal aliens. nice.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061806Z.shtml
Rockwell: I understand that the military is recruiting youth from the Philippines, from Mexico, people of color in the Third World. Was your son living in Mexico when he was contacted?
Suarez: Yes. When he came to San Diego he had a green card.
Rockwell: Where do recruiters contact young people?
Suarez: On the border there are lots of recruiting offices. Last year, around October, this one recruiter crossed the border into Mexico and recruited young boys from a school in Mexico.
Rockwell: He went into a Mexican school to get sign-ups for the U.S. military?
Suarez: Yes.
Rockwell: What kind of promises did he make?
Suarez: According to what I heard, the recruiters say, “You can go to the U.S.A. and enter high school and enter a military program in high school.” They say to the kids, “I can help you with the papers.”
Rockwell: What do you think about recruiting kids from Mexico for U.S. wars?
Suarez: If they can use Hispanic people, Anglo-Americans don’t have to be used. They want to use Hispanic boys in the war.
Rockwell: You mean they are trying to substitute Hispanic kids so that Anglo-Americans do not have to risk their lives?
Suarez: Exactly. They offer education and a formal offer of citizenship. That’s not all. Here in the U.S. they recruit kids in the barrios. They contact them when they are 14, 15 years old. And they say to our kids, “It’s not a problem you do not have papers. You can enter the program and we will help you with the papers and immigration. You just need to do well in school and our program.”
lotus:
This is all I have but I don’t have time to look right now. If you have AAR premium you can download the podcast from Saturday’s show.
really going now, sister-in-law pulling me out the door.
Ol NORON is giddy over Kerry changing his mind about his date for withdrawl…..When is kerry going to STFU….now Miss Piggy Rover will start to repeat He wanted a June date before the July date
Darkblack – Wonderful! I have got to print that out. For some reason it reminds me of that old (Hitchcock?) movie, The Lady Vanishes with Margaret Rutherford.
BTW, I notice the Texas Lady (from last thread) vanished pretty quickly.
Al,
I appreciate the SEIU’s efforts and come from a family of railroaders, all union. One of the biggest problems, IMO, is the global nature of these corporations.
I don’t think U.S. citizens are going to be swept up by a global movement for unionization. I think the “Living Wage” proponents are a crucial part of the future of the labor movement and need to be introduced and fought for by unions in municipalities across the U.S.
Get some living wage laws enacted in cities, its easier than unionizing Walmart. People would begin to realize the benefits of unions and how it directly affects their take home pay, easier to drive membership. Something like that…
Who is the senator who got his debt paid off for by the bank?
Hello FDLers, from Oxford, England, where I’m leading a student trip. I don’t write much; — have nothing as astute as 99% of you to say on current affairs, but I did want to tell you and the glorious Jane and Christy (and Pach and others) how much I miss being able to follow the news via FDL. I feel isolated, only being able to get to it every few days.
One telling episode occurred today. While touring Warwick Castle, I heard a guide tell a group accompanying a group of school children down in the dungeon, while pointing to a device of torture: “This was for torturing people. Torture is illegal nowadays, and no one does it anymore. Well, not one, that is, except the Americans at Guantanamo Bay.”
This wasn’t an official Warwick Castle guide. It was a young English teacher speaking to his English children. But it does give you an idea of how our reputation, if being ignored by the American public, is spreading in other parts of the world.
Albatross @38.
You nailed it. With the exception of Libertarians, fiscal conservatives have no power in the Republican party. And the Libertarians have been kicked off the island over their refusal to shut up about the issue. (CATO has been constantly slamming Republicans over it.)
Something Kevin Phillips said is perhaps an answer to your question. He said that his generation and ideology of Republicans, while they may help the Democrats and vote for the Republicans, will never be able to bring themselves to become Democrats.
Younger fiscal conservatives like myself (an ex Canadaian-conservative) and Hale Steward/Bonddad (an ex-Repubican) have already made the jump. However we tend to fall more into the technocrat camp than a seperate fiscal conservative camp, at least for now.
Maybe OT, but has anyone been watching Hardball? OMG! Noron the Moron is hosting and if anyone ever had any doubt that she was a card-carrying rightwinger, ALL doubt will be removed by watching her in this blatant display!
Howard Dean was on and he was wonderful – Noron was sneering, combative and rude to him. Plus, she was obviously not listening to a word he was saying – not a word! Good thing it didn’t matter to Howard – haha! I love his new meme – repugs talk tough but aren’t smart – dems are tough and smart!
Anyway, then she had George Allen on and I thought she was gonna bend down and lick his somethingerother – I swear! Nothing but sweetie sweet softball – like teatime – “Oh George, what do you think we should do about North Korea?”
Now she’s got on a guy from the NY Daily News and Tony Blankley from the Mooney Times – all three of them trying their best to completely eviscerate democrats and doing nothing else – talk about your slanted coverage! I thought I was watching Fox!
At one point Noron said something like “a funding bill is coming up in the Senate and there’s ALL THESE DEMOCRATS (said in the most sneering way) proposing ALL THESE AMENDMENTS!” (God forbid anyone not rubber stamp republican legislation!)
End of rant….
Dr. Bong @ 47:
Indeed
;>)
susan @ 55:
‘T’was but a scratch’…. :)
lotus @ 57:
The flaming dog doo bag of revisionism must be ruthlessly stamped out, no matter how small the doorstep. :)
musicsleuth @ 63:
It’s a fair cop, but society’s to blame
;>)
Wyo Nate at 48: I would work like hell for any candidate whose platform was “I’m for repealing everything that’s been done for the past five years and getting it right.”
lotus @ 57,
there is a link over at Kos
Darkblack! That picture is clASSified! LOL
Very nice post – CATO did rediscover some small part of its soul. Too late to get it out of purgatory.
Viveca Novak for FactCheck
That strikes me as hilarious. Will her first fact check be A’s Huffpo post?
I don’t know the breakdown of the Democrats, but I think it would be worthwhile to publish one if for no other reason than identifying strengths & weaknesses going into the coming elections.
Hey Ian,
Have you read this study?
It’s pretty dry – as most research papers are – but it got Byron York all bent a few years ago … so maybe it touched a sensitive nerve ;)
Of course a few conservative academics read the paper and wrote another one refuting it, but then the authors wrote a classic rebuttal
Does anyone know which senator Ian Welsh was referring to when he said:
It was no accident that the Bankruptcy bill, sponsored by a Senator whom credit card company MBNA had kindly helped out of his multi-hundred thousand dollar debt, passed and made sure that normal people would find it harder to use bankruptcy to clear debt, while corporations and the rich would find it easier.
I don’t think anyone could have anticipated senior Bush officials writing so effective a Democratic campaign ad:
I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile.
Condoleezza Rice, May 16, 2002
I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.
George W. Bush, September 1, 2005
I don’t think anybody anticipated the level of violence we encountered.
Dick Cheney, June 19, 2006
Cathy -
Has to be Biden…
RalphBon at 79 — that’s priceless. I’m using that one. :)
Ralphbon,
Those first three words over and over again explain ChimpCo perfectly.
“I don’t think…”.
Douchebag of the Day Nominee:
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) on the death of Zarqawi: “There probably are not 72 virgins in the hell he’s at. And if there are, they probably all look like [White House correspondent] Helen Thomas.”
-GSD
I think that study nails it!
Cons want and describe everything in stark black and white terms. With us or against us. My latest failed attempt at discourse with my theocon cousin: “you are either saved or lost.” GAG. End of discussion.
Liberals understand nuance, understand shades of grey, realize that there are many overlapping factors and issues. Unfortunately, when it comes to TV-based talking points for the masses, we fail miserably trying to explain it.
ralphbon,
You’d have to run those quotes with that song “Anticipation” like the old Heinz ketchup commercials from the 70’s.
ralphbon – makes you wonder who Anybody is and why he hasn’t been fired, doesn’t it?
Marg 3:03 :(
Ian – what about the Iran-Con(tras)?
And the PeliCons, writing the briefs? ;)
If we win the war on terror(izing Dems), does Rove have back up job prospects?
Too many things to think about.
“The most likely 2008 scenario which does not involve a Democratic presidency involves a Republican maverick running strongly against Bush.”
Hmmm…is Amendment 22 going to be repealed?
…or is this “the Other Bush”?
;)
ralphbon @ 3:16 pm (#80) – Like I wrote in a previous thread, to this administration “anybody” means “anybody we felt like listening to”.
Hi John at 83. Yup, I’ve read it. ;)
James Moran is the person whom MBNA rescued:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..1-2002Jul6
Nearly $700,000 in debt and juggling two dozen credit cards, U.S. Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) had begun to slip behind on his payments. One bank had already rejected his application for a loan.
“I didn’t see any way out,” Moran said in an interview.
MBNA Corp., a credit card lender with critical legislation pending on Capitol Hill, came to his rescue.
On Jan. 30, 1998, MBNA gave its delinquent borrower Moran a $447,500 home refinancing package that consolidated much of his debt at a lower interest rate. It was the largest mortgage package MBNA reported giving to a single borrower that year, an analysis of Federal Reserve records shows.
So I was wrong, it wasn’t a Senator it was a house member sponsor:
http://www.armedliberal.com/archives/000015.html
From today’s NY Times
The bill, which has been vigorously opposed by consumer-rights groups, had long been the top legislative priority of credit card companies and some banks, which insist that many debtors abuse the bankruptcy laws to escape debts they should be able to pay. The companies sharply stepped up campaign contributions to members of Congress in recent years as they promoted the legislation.
Among the biggest beneficiaries would be the MBNA Corporation of Delaware, which describes itself as the world’s biggest independent credit card company. Ranked by employee donations, MBNA was the largest corporate contributor to President Bush’s 2000 campaign.
The company has also recently acknowledged that it gave a $447,000 debt-consolidation loan on what critics viewed as highly favorable terms to a crucial House supporter of the bill only four days before he signed on as a lead sponsor of the legislation in 1998. Both MBNA and the lawmaker, Representative James P. Moran Jr., Democrat of Virginia, have denied that there was anything improper about the loan.
(july 26, 2002)
Now Biden, on the other hand, has his son being paid $100,000 a year by MBNA and MBNA is his largest donor:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pol…..cycle=2004
Biden was one of the Democrats who spiked efforts to stop the Bankruptcy bill
“The PeliCons, writing the briefs”
KILLAH, Mary!
Wyo Nate #71:
I was thinking more in terms of voting blocs, but you make much sense. I haven’t thought through this area of social policy very well, but even I can see that there’s a big mismatch between the social safety net (or what remains of it) and the needs of a globalized economy needing a flexible workforce.
Like a lot of other important things, this one’s at best on hold until 1/20/09 at the earliest.
And I have some railroaders on my father’s side. Railfanning’s a major hobby of mine. (Yeah, another foamer.)
weeder and RevDeb, thanks!
Cons never stop pushing what seem to be initially unpopular ideas. The difference between con and progressive ideas is that progressive ones will actual benefit the populace that votes for them, where as Con ideas always hurt the masses that vote for them.
Theocons- can be split by providing a social justice platform. There is serious suppression of social justice issues in many Theocon home districts. If for example the Alabama tax issue had been pushed again after electorial defeat it would be gaining more supporters. Do not attack churches unless there is obvious widespread corruption that is hurting the lay people. Swaggart and company are good examples of when to intervene.
Neocons- Neocons do not have an real intellectual credentials, what they have is the massive support of AIPAC and similar lobbying organizations. Without AIPAC and friends the neocons would crumble and blow away in the wind. No one would really care about AIPAC if they were just smarter about dealing with their obvious mistakes. Once the war turned bad, it was obvious there needed to be another plan and an acknowledgement of error. In fact before the war it was obvious more planning was needed. This still has not been done, and ironically forces this organization to send good dollars after bad in a hopeless attempt to avoid reality.
CorpCon/RichCon – are the real problem. Everyone likes people to succeed, everyone likes to see people get rich. What pisses most people off are the irresponsible rich. Those who amass a fortune and then use it to prevent others from doing the same.
Walmart is a typical example of this. You have a billion dollar organization whose employment policies grind their workers in to poverty, whosesales structure decimates small town infrastructure, and who then use that monopoly position to create price controlled conditions that effectively precent local small business from every recovering. This is Robberbaron behavior and it hurts many many people even those they employee. Does Walmart need to conduct business in this fasion? No way. Can it change? Surely, but this is the problem with large bad corporations they can not be changed without government intervention or a paradigm shift that kills off their income stream.
Having easy access to legislators just compounds the problem. Individual RichCons, just attempt to emulate the AIPAC model but do it less successfully in hopes of controlling enough of the agenda to get their pet views executed as policy. The most dangerous part of Corporate Con/Rich Con is their willingness to slip into facist ideology and to utilize facists technique to facilate the “reality distortions” necessary to execute their poorly though out objectives. The facist nature of many of these organization limits the number of minds at the top that can effectively share thoughts, which inevitably limits the organizational ability to make good decisions and react effectovely to real world complexity.
Facism inevitably collapses under its own wait after dramatic short term gains, because it fails to scale. The initial gains are then bled away and the whole movement gains a stigma that cannot be erased. Facism is an exepnsive and dnagerous delusion that is ultimately self defeating.
The alternate to facism is progressivism, which scales with the number of minds that focus on the problems that progressivism tries to address. This network effect has been harnessed quite well in the blogsphere.
The other cons are just failed ideological window dressing used by the Corporate/Rich cons in previous attempts to gain power. These are not real idealogical movements because when push comes to shove the will bend over to the whims of their backers. The true-believers in these movements if honest must acknowledge the utter failures of their policy recomendations, but never do. Very often we find that “intellectuals ” in these window dressing ideologies operate on a pay to play basis for their advocacy as clearly demonstrated by recent scandals of this nature.
Based on what I just wrote at 88, I guess the Dems are the AdLibs. Never on the same page.
GSD #87:
As we discussed last week, he and Mrs. King need to take an unescorted stroll through non-Green Zone Baghdad some lovely summer evening – soon.
whoops. I’m probably wrong about Biden. mea culpa.
I found this little gem of a quote posted over at TPM.
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) on the death of Zarqawi: “There probably are not 72 virgins in the hell he’s at. And if there are, they probably all look like [White House correspondent] Helen Thomas.
Ian Welsh, thank you for a very valuable post. Obviously all of us share Christy’s gratitude to you during Jane’s Mom’s time in the hospital.
In my opinion it’s a really terrific, highly detailed, overview of the GOP “value matrix” as it appeals to voters.
I am not as pessimistic as you about significant portions of at least some of those groups migrating to the Democrats. In each of those groups I suspect, we would find that large portions of their ancestors did not vote “Republican.” In my opinion, this would be especially true of the Theocons. A lot of religious conservatives are elderly, very concerned about their Social Security, inflation and gas prices.
With respect to Military Cons, I think the Dems can gain much by using the language of the “Powell Doctrine” and the “Hunt Report” to criticize the Iraq occupation. That’s a language that will resonate with a lot of veterans.
I really hope you continue with what you have created here as I think it can generate more posts. In my opinion each of the subgroups you identified, might be another whole post about its peculiar dynamics.
Another option is creating a matrix with your categories as the columns. The rows could be things such as Health Care, Social Security, Immigration, Inflation, …. the more traditional ways that pols try and guage the electorate. A matrix also reveals the “value matrix,” that is pretty fashionable in marketing circles as a way of understanding how consumers make a choice.
This is my way of saying I think this is a hugely successful post imo in helping us craft a language with which to describe the challenges coming in November and beyond.
Also I know I appreciate your willingness to make comments in the thread as well. IMO they really help make your fine post even more accessible.
dogeatdogi @ 3:37 pm (#101) – That’s all right. I’m sure Rep. King has 72 Ann Coulters waiting for him.
Regarding what Dems might do to attract some of these voters, I think this post from Josh Marshall, which features comments from some of his readers on the situation in Iraq, is pretty interesting.
Some short snippets:
I think if the Dems just keep saying, over and over, “Republicans want us there forever, that’s why we have no timetables, that’s why THEY ARE building permanent bases, etc.,” this would be a useful evolution of the basic description of the situation. . . .
The 2006 Congressional election should not, and cannot be about the Democrats plan, or lack thereof, for Iraq. Instead, they should be about accountability for the actual actions of the current President and the current Congress.
Those are three different people, btw. Check it out; it might make some good discussion/brainstorming fodder over here.
What I like about Ian’s taxinomy is that it gets at not just issues, but people’s “default settings” or political values – where does person X start from, when they think about politics?
It’s a lot easier to identify issues and interests, but I think we can put together some Democratic factions based on the values from which they operate. In no particular order, here’s a couple I can see:
1) Peace & Justice libs – folks working for civil rights at home, human rights abroad, and peace for all.
2) old labor libs – union folks as well as anti-monopolists, consumer advocates, etc..
3) science & techie libs – Here’s where I include the folks who want to appropriately harness the power of government to shape the world, coming at these things from the standpoint of science and numbers – think NASA and Apollo, public health advocates and researchers, Internet geeks, etc., as well as environmentalists, Forest Service types, and National Parks lovers.
That’s a few that come to mind quickly, amid the offline distractions . . .
Cujo359@103
LOL !!!! Thanks for the laugh
Cujo 103 — now that’s the kind of Ann Coulter humor I’m on board for!
Ian and patience 93 together point up the dangerousness of RichCons and PaleoCons. What amazes me is the number of people I’ve run across who qualify as both.
You’d almost expect these two to be somewhat mutually-exclusive categories, but in my experience (limited, but still some), not so much. And boy, is that combo a disgustment.
They’re as disturbing to me as wealthy African-Americans must be to them — though their big Gooper contributions make them much more problematic for us than our counterpart is for them.
Re MBNA . . .
Will Bunch would give Biden as the answer. In addition to the OpenSecrets info above, Will adds this:
http://www.attytood.com/archives/001551.html
Of course, I should have started my post with “I don’t think anybody,” not “anyone.” There’s no such thing as too much previewing.
I know I should learn to just keep my big mouth shut. But hey, if you’re gonna set me up like this, I’m gonna take the bait. All of the con artists mentioned in your post go together under the rubric of Fascism, at least as that brand of government is characterized by Laurence Britt (and presented at http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm). In fact, the essential difference between Fascism and other isms (including liberalism) is that fascism tends to emphasize the CorporateCons and the TheoCons (something you would never see in communism, or, for that matter in a pluralistic society like we always thought this one was). Britt points out that the government, in favoring corporations, and in essentially welding corporate and government into a seamless fabric, consolidates power in the hands of a VERY few people. It enriches the government and corporations alike. And the preachy theocrats use religion as a form of social control, while ignoring its fundamental tenets in their own lives and dealings. Sound familiar? Privileging the military, obsessing over national security (even inventing situations to engender fear–a favorite trick of Hitler’s, by the way: consider the Reichstag Fire and its aftermath, in which habeas corpus was suspended, all communications were considered open to government scrutiny, and physical searches no longer needed court orders), and disdaining human rights. Fraudulent elections was another favorite technique of fascist thugs. Cronyism, corruption, scapegoating intellectuals and liberals, institutional or de facto control of the media (listening FOX?). Rampant sexism, homophobia. You name it. The Bush regime has it all! I refuse, hereafter, to call them anything but what they very clearly are–fascists.
Ditto the Cujo Coulter kudos.
#101 re: the Steve King remark about Helen Thomas.
I don’t think that’s funny. Thomas is about as close as a mortal can come to being an angel.
For NeoCons, would it be more precise to say they have “Likud” ties rather than “Israeli” ties?
I’ve been swamped with crazy life stuff for a couple of days and upon return, I can see that I am completely lost. Missed the recipe discussion, but it looks like lots of good meals ahead. And most, importantly, it saddens me to learn of Jane’s mom and her return to the hospital. My sincerest best wishes are with her.
Ian, this is a thought provoking thread. Thank you for your insight.
Also, Rep. King is an uncouth ass.
Ralphbon, you hit the nail on the head.
Peterr -
Glad you did some sniffing around. Biden was my first impulse but then upon reflection I didn’t think he was actually a co-sponsor of the bill.
It sure smells like him, though.
PeterB @ 114 – I did consider that. But I’m not sure that some of the things they wanted (like an invasion of Iraq) wouldn’t have been supported by other factions in Israel.
I certainly could be wrong, I am far from an expert on internal Israeli politics.
PeterB @114- I would say “yes”.
Jenny, see my post # 93 on Biden and Moran and MBNA.
Juan Cole would amen PeterB’s 114, fer sher.
Darkblack: That picture is priceless. My best laugh of the day.
How could one not praise this post. The classification does for rightwing politics what Linnaeus did for taxonomy in general. http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/linnaeus.html (to give the Swede his due).
Might I suggest another species to the genus?
How about the
Realcons?
These critters get divided into three subspecies:
The ex-cons (Charles Colson and his ilk), the nowcons (Dukester, etc.) and the preocons, those soon to molt into nowcons> Abramoff, Libby, Lay, etc., etc., and more etc.
As was said above, there’s some overlap… but blame that on indiscriminate breeding.
A good old fashioned hell would do it more like this –
on the death of Zarqawi: “There probably are not 72 virgins in the hell he’s at. And if there are, they probably all look like Rep. Steve King (R-IA)
A big part of the coalescence of the various groups that make up the Republican Party is that they make sense as a coalition because they are in power. The Democrats, being out of power, don’t have such discernable pockets of power. Back when the Democrats were in power, the majority coalition was made up of Southern rascists, Coastal University Liberal types, and mid-country union folk. An odd coalition to be sure, but no more odd than libertarians teaming up with people who want to tell me who I can sleep with, or trusting a couple of mega-rich oil men to tell the truth about unions or energy policy. Is the current coalition sustainable? NO! It ain’t possible! Here’s why:
1. They can’t keep promising stuff to the fundies that is unconstitutional. It might work for a while, but it isn’t a viable long-term strategy.
2. It is almost impossible for the party in power to actually be fiscally conservative. Whining about all the money the government spends works fine when you’re in the minority. When you’re actually the guy who has to come and shut down the school, it doesn’t work so well.
3. The “create patriotism through belligerence” strategy is also a long-term loser. Everything looks great at the victory party on the deck of the aircraft carrier, but the reality of trying to occupy a foreign land is quite a bit different from the fantasy of shock-and-awe-and-the-
whole-world-will-kiss-our-feet.
4. People might be stupid, but eventually they will realize that there is a legitimate purpose for government. Choosing candidates who look down on the job you are asking them to do is not going to work forever.
5. On the other hand, they will always have Diebold.
peace,
jim
I guess by some reports, we’ll soon have an expanded group not so DesIrving PardoCons.
Really excellent post. Thank you!
How about “Husbandcon”?
Check out the lede at the Raw Story…. Carville and his neoconwhig wife are hosting a give-some-legal-tender-to-scooter dinner party. $500 a plate, or $5000 if you’re a sponsor.
Party on!
Apparently, the brain donors in the Senate need to wrangle up just one more vote to pass the anti-flag-burning Constitutional amendment.
So… Net Neutrality is a “solution in search of a problem” but Bill of Rights has to be modified for the epidemic of flag burning?
Harry Reid thinks this amendment is a good idea. WTF is wrong with these people?
So who do the Malkins,Limbaughs and Hannitys fit in with?Or are they their own special group,the Punditcons?
OT: From billmon….In the aftermath of the three suicides at the notorious Guantanamo prison facility in Cuba last Saturday, reporters with the Los Angeles Times and the Miami Herald were ordered by the office of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to leave the island today . . . The Pentagon spokesman told E&P that Rumsfeld’s…..
When do we get to vote Bush off the island? Ian, thanks for making it clear what we’re dealing with–the seven faces of eve.
Also, I noticed this morning, while sitting in my car on the commercial line of the drive thru at the bank, the Diebold name on the little tray thingy. Imagine my surprise, especially when I was given a receipt….funny–it didn’t seem to be very difficult to spit out that receipt.
Ian,
Welcome to Firedoglake ! Thanks for helping us out. And THANK YOU for the fantastic and illuminating post.
I could actually feel some puzzle pieces snap together as I was reading
now to the comments
Mary @ 4:07 pm (#122) – I’m not sure which vision of hell is worse, but I’m glad I’m not being forced to choose…
An Angry Old Broad
So who do the Malkins,Limbaughs and Hannitys fit in with?Or are they their own special group,the Punditcons?
the Frothicons, the Spittlecons
Ian: This is an interesting lineup of the usual suspects. But.
Not to make too big a point of it, but you forgot to include another big gorilla in the lineup: the MediaCons. You know them, the corporate media that can always be counted on to spin the news in whichever direction benefits the rightwing slant: The Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Washington Times, Fox News, National Review, and so on. And of course at the individual level, the arch MediaCons like Limgaugh, Faloofa O’Reilly, Malkin, Coulter, Will, the whole lineup of firebreathing and shit-spewing conservative media stars.
Collectively and individually these folks swing as much weight and votes as any of the other cons. The worst of it however, is that they do this in the guise of objectivity and “fair-and-balanced” reporting. The MediaCon deserves as much blame as any of the other Cons for the desperate situation in Iraq, turning the scientific debate on global warming into a hate campaign, and playing lapdog to the president while he trashes the constitution.
All these organizations and personalities give lie to the myth of a dominant “liberal” media.
EPU zone approaching, but onward we go . . .
The religious right is vulnerable to a concerted attack on them through the IRS . . .
At best, the IRS could reach out and touch TheoCon leaders like Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson. It would do nothing to deal with the millions of folks who support them, and would only add a martyr’s complex to go with the messianic complex they’ve already got. These frontline ordinary TheoCons are the TheoCons we need to reach, and the IRS doesn’t speak their language.
On the other hand, Progressive Christians do.
Example: When the prophet Ezekiel compared Jerusalem to Sodom and Gomorrah, calling them the “sister cities” of Jerusalem, it wasn’t because there was unbridled homosexuality running loose in the Holy City. “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom,” says Ezekiel to the religious leaders of his day. “She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and propserous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.” (16:49)
It’s hard to justify the TheoCons’ interest in sex based on the paucity of scriptural attention given to it. Jesus in particular had much more to say about money than sex (none of which goes down very well with RichCons or CorporateCons, by the way). Progressive Christians can make this argument; the IRS can’t.
I am getting a bee in my bonnet about legislation dealing with the
abolitionpermanenttemporary bypassing of Congress in a “terrorist” emergency.There WAS relevant legislation passed, that made page A927 of the Post, but hasn’t been discussed very much. I remember thinking, well, I suppose they have to have a plan in place. Walking that back along my naive-line that puts it maybe end 2002/early 2003?
We have a parallel government set up in case of “terrorist” attack. The line of succession for president was recently changed to promote Department of Homeland Security much higher on the list.
Am hoping fellow commenters can provide information about this New plan for a New government in the New all terrorist all the time future.
The Long War…that’s THEIR term. I don’t have to make this s*** up.
And btw, this is why it matters whether you do or don’t think rogue elements of our own government are capable of creating a terrorist incident. Anthrax and beyond.
new thread
orangejumpsuit – I classify mediaCons under the larger CorporateCon area. They’re a problem, but I would deal with them by radically breaking up the media conglomerates (and possibly by reinstating the fairness doctrine.)
I’m just curious as to why you’ve posted a photo of Christopher Lloyd as Cousin Itt standing next to Miami Heat coach Pat Riley.
There were a couple of interesting posts of a similar nature here and here.
Comedy gold.
but alas, our ‘representatives’ in congress fail to investigate these outrages of grand scale, but thrive on banning things that hurts no one
i have no worries about ‘my’ representative, tho, she’s a bona-fied DLCicon
Whoops, here.
It looked good in the preview.
Real live traitors.
two distinct factions that are certainly subgroups of all possible inclusions are the “pharmacons”
there is a huge percentage of people in this country that take drugs that would affect their decision making process. Some take them to alter conditions that make life difficult to impossible for them. There are some that take only alcohol, but they are also part of the force.
since antidepressants make someone not care, and also remove sex from their lives, this has a profound effect on huge percentages of each of these groups, with a different effect. This would be a great place for Dr. Rost to weight in on. But a Neo and Theo that can’t have sex, and is not happy about it is quite different than one that can.
pharmacon may be another option?
One thing I would add is that each of these various Con factions depends to a varying degree upon a peonage base which blindly follows the directives of and/or sucks up to the leaders of the movements, very often contrary to their own best interests:
The TheoCon peons largely consist of evangelical Christian zealots that have been brainwashed into supporting a brand of Christianity that is often directly contradictory with the actual teachings of Jesus Christ, and even then they fail to recognize that they are just pawns of the other Con factions who pander to them during election time, but afterwards always stop just short of actually legislating the strict morality that they demand.
The NeoCon peons are the the television, radio, and internet pundits who maintain their livelihood from promoting the Neocon cause, but aren’t in any position of power to actually benefit from it or affect it otherwise.
The CorporatCon peons are the middle managers and employees of CorporateCon overlords who are frightened and/or deluded into supporting the Corporatecon agenda because they’ve been told their jobs depend on it, or at least it will help advance their careers.
The RichCon peons are the people who either believe that if they suck up to rich people they might get some table scraps, or that have been deluded into believing that taxes and the government is the only thing that is keeping them from getting rich too. Probably a lot of them are also CorporateCon peons.
LibertarianCon peons are 2nd Amendment gun nuts, militiamen, and white supremacist whack jobs.
MilitaryCon peons are of course the chickenhawks.
PaleoCon peons are the immigration nuts like the Minutemen. Overlap a lot with the LibertarianCon peons.
Ian —
If you’re still here, how many of the categories does our good Mr. Harper trying to align himself with? I figure at least 4, maybe 5. Clearly, he is now trying very hard to be all things to all Cons.
As an aside, would you agree that the Calgary school is actually more of an ideological fusion of the LiberCons and the garden variety Neocons?
(apologies for goofing around earlier, couldn’t resist because of the image Christy put up….)
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Egregious @ 4:37pm, I was just thinking of that the other day. Thanks for bringing it to all our attention again.
Ooh, this is my all-time favorite pics of the boys. My mama told me way back then, never trust a man with a part to straight or a crooked smile.
#111 fascist- nothing new about this con.
Something about believing the ball has been reinvented because it’s been redesigned to move faster.
Israel?
This post is troubling for me? Use the IRS to target Tax exempt status? Black churches being hurt how? Israeli ties do what?
“The religious right is vulnerable to a concerted attack on them through the IRS and if Democrats get into power that’s what they should consider doing (the counterargument is that it could hurt black churches). Tax exempt status is on the line for religious organizations which influence politics (as various attacks on liberal ministers have shown) and the religious right is much more vulnerable to this than the religious left.”
“The NeoCons are a philosophical movement. They are not a voting block and they cannot deliver any significant number of votes. They have power because their members are influential intellectuals, are long time senior political figures and because of their Israeli ties (yes, the Israeli lobby is, ummm, rather powerful in Washington, shall we say.)”
Oilfieldguy >”…Democrats are for people, Republicans are for things…”
Goes along with “Had Enough ?”
I`m EPU`d & I don`t care…{
Parser ate the last of that one…
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” – Sinclair Lewis
Ian – after reading your piece here, I find it hard to believe you are a rightwinger or republican. Why? Because you consider both sides of the issue and look at your side in a critical manner. You do not throw molotov cocktails at the other side – you acknowledge the other side and sometimes you acknowledged that the other side may be right. I like that.
In fact, this is the very reason why our country and our politics is so fucked up now – opinions and stances are too black and white. Both sides attack the other side (myself included, I must admit). We cannot search for common ground, although the Rove/Norquist/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld leadership does not really seem to be interested in finding common ground or concensus.
And that, I believe, is the poison in today’s politics – the old “you MUST agree with me or be totally wrong” attitude. And when this attitude is held by the political party that is in power – total, absolute, unchecked power in this case – it is a recipe for disaster.
And we are seeing disasters springing up all around us – Iraq, NOLA, budget deficits, foreign trade deficits, criminal behavior, etc.
77 Redshift says:
June 19th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
Wyo Nate at 48: I would work like hell for any candidate whose platform was “I’m for repealing everything that’s been done for the past five years and getting it right.”
I LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would also work like hell for that or those candidate(s)!
My wallet AND credit cards would be wide open, too!
Hear that, Howard Dean?????
With all due respect, I think you are wrong about the MilitaryCons. They are still strongly in the Republican camp. Read the freepers: many, many of them are active duty and retired military who love the war and see it as their chance to save the world from terrorism if the liberal media would just shut up and let them. Many sort of miss the Cold War and its (to them) moral clarity, they see Iraq as Vietnam II, and they are not going to let the left deprive them of their victory this time around. Do not fall too readily for the dkos sentiment that the military is just ripe for pickings for the Democrats: just visit with real live servicemen, not just left blogger pinups, and you’ll see they are largely for the war and deeply resent those who oppose it.
“This post is troubling for me? Use the IRS to target Tax exempt status? Black churches being hurt how? Israeli ties do what?”
Black churches often talk about politics, as do right wing churches, that puts their tax exempt status at risk. The IRS has already gone after some liberal churches where ministers talked politics before the election. Turnaround is fair play and liberals have to stop being wimps about things like this or allowing Republican hypocrisy on such issues. Want to put churches in play, fine, let’s put churches in play.
There is no question that prominent Neocons have strong Israeli ties. I have no time for the types who try and pretend they don’t exist, or that mentioning them is somehow anti-semitic, a card the Neocons have played often.
The strength of the Israeli lobby in Washington is unquestioned. It is probably the single most powerful lobby in the United States.
93 Ian Welsh says:
June 19th, 2006 at 3:27 pm
Hi John at 83. Yup, I’ve read it. ;)
James Moran is the person whom MBNA rescued:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..1-2002Jul6
Nearly $700,000 in debt and juggling two dozen credit cards, U.S. Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) had begun to slip behind on his payments. One bank had already rejected his application for a loan.
“I didn’t see any way out,” Moran said in an interview.
MBNA Corp., a credit card lender with critical legislation pending on Capitol Hill, came to his rescue.
On Jan. 30, 1998, MBNA gave its delinquent borrower Moran a $447,500 home refinancing package that consolidated much of his debt at a lower interest rate. It was the largest mortgage package MBNA reported giving to a single borrower that year, an analysis of Federal Reserve records shows.
Ian – fair is fair. I believe that many/most of us here at FDL are in favor of some major house cleaning of our own Dem house. If you spend much time reading some of our lib/progressive blogs, you know that we have MUCH frustration with our own Dem leaders. What’s right is right and what’s fair is fair. And what you have referenced in this post is ample evidence of two Dem shitbags that need to be kicked out of Congress. We cannot criticize the right if we cannot keep the left clean. Hypocracy is NOT a Dem plank.
Waitingforlefty – you may be right. The question is whether or not a “stab in the back” storyline will take hold. There’s a damn good chance it will, and it MUST be fought at all costs. It is not healthy for a democrtic country to have the military identify strongly with any political faction the way that the military did (does?) with the Republicans.
However I do believe the senior officer corp is off the reservation. The question is whether that can be driven down through the junion officer corp and into the enlisted men.
Did anyone answer the question: What kind of Dems…? I stopped reading posts and started thinking, ‘Powerless’ is the BIG group of Dems, the ones that feel it “…doesn’t make a difference if I vote, cause its’ FIXED”…I’m a ‘true believer’ that is stupified by the Right’s ability to hyno-notize the masses. In order to reach the disempowered we need to talk to them and while I apprieciate the level of intellect and passion represented by FDL and others I’m terribly afraid we are preaching to the converted and engaging in a kind of mental masterbation. Rove triumphed because he tapped into the theocons FEELINGS and CONVINCED them they had POWER. If we don’t find a ‘marketing strategy’ that does the same were frankly, fucked. Rootz is great but we need to reach the masses that we know are out there and if we as Progressives don’t start dominating the conversation and leading the conversation in a pro-active way rather than a constant defensive stance we are gonna lose again. The “American Public” thinks the Dems are pussies (cause they are) and WE need to change that dialogue.
#155 “Black churches often talk about politics.” There are a plethora of non profits that cross political lines in this country, Quakers for example. As well there are many powerful lobbies… anti-Semitic, I wouldn’t know but there are also all types of Israelis. I remain unsettled by your comments as well as your post, as you say I have no time. I do appreciate the update although the blanket statements are to me hit and run.
you forgot RepubliCons
Something about that 70’s look…these two
young “GOPers” sure seem destined for greatness
and sure enough…30 years later it’s the top
of the heap for them.
It surely would have been an even greater pix
in time if George the Younger was in it. That
would have been great for putting in word balloons on several topics.
We do know that these two young chargers
out of the post-Nixon era had a desire to
serve their country and by God they have.
Dick,the Energy and Security Vice-Roy of the
Bush the Second WH has done an outstanding job
in both areas for the backers and backslappers
he runs with.
Don,that adroit and consumate Washington guy has become the Field Marshall of GWOT and
the skinny war concept so well practiced in
Iraq. He sure does have the Pentagon running
smooth. Reportedly the Boeing Tanker Lease was
not something he was very aware of. With the
war of terror to ride herd on and whacking
Iraq on the cheap he couldn’t be bothered with
some bloated and graft laden airplane deal.
It is a great photo of two guys whom destiny
would bring to positions of major influence in
the early 21st century.
Too bad for the United States. And for all
Americans who will have to clean up after these
two and the guy who supposedly being the
DECIDER put them on his payroll float into the
pages of post power American History.
Thanks for this post and so many interesting comments. The largest party consists of those who don’t vote, like me in ‘04. Up until ‘04 I always voted dem-dumb. I will vote to throw out every single repug possible in ‘06. The next candidate for dog catcher or president (same thing) that has a true spine for the people and constitution, will capture enough of the silent anger and fear from enough of every single stereotype mentioned in this thread. Including the silent majority. I hope Dems will quit trying to find some “CON” love or “Con” converts.
I want our party back!! or another party….
Am I a Democrat or a tossed Green?
Equal Public Campaign Finance
Energy-Education-Health
End OccupationS and fifty percent of Mil. Ind. Complex. at least. NOW!
Rip the hinges off the doors of secret goverment.
Women rights and human rights.
Skype the bureaucracy.
Fiber optic net, in every home with electricity.
Social Security Emergency Revival.
Twelve dollar minimum wage.
Open borders with strictly enforced work permits.
Workers bill of rights…..all workers
Budget and deficit responsibility.
ENVIRONMENTAL considerations go into everything.
oh burn flags, if you must, not the constitution.
Marry who you love and share recipes with everyone.
What Nate said !!!! Thank you Nate!
Wyo Nate at 48: I would work like hell for any candidate whose platform was “I’m for repealing everything that’s been done for the past five years and getting it right.”
Great taxonomy.
The only thing I would point out is that after a lot of sighing, kicking, and complaining the paleocons did in the end vote for George W Bush and the neocon agenda in 2004. So that tells me something about their committement to their own ideology, and their willingness to be manipulated/used.
Cranky