
This post is appearing later than I intended because Blogger (where I draft it) was down for a while this afternoon, and U.S. Open Golf preempted Meet the Press so I had to wait for the 7 p.m. replay on MSGOP. And I hit the Refresh button halfway through the final draft. Don't do that. My apologies.
It's Father's Day every Sunday -- the patriarchy is alive and indisputably in control of the Sunday Head Shows. Every host and every guest was male, and all were whiter than the drivellings of Tony Snow, except for Iraq Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, who appeared on Late Edition. (Wan Juilliams and Mara Liasson were generously allowed to sit next to Brit Hume and Bill Kristol on the Fox News Sunday panel.) "Happy Father's Day"s were exchanged all around.
Meet the Press The star of this Sunday's Heads was U.S. Representative John Murtha (D-PA), whom the Meet the Press website describes as "the 37-year veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps who has become the Democrat's [sic] leading critic of the Iraq war." Tim Russert lobbed a fistful of clips and quotes from Karl Rove and Joe Klein toward the stalwart Murtha, who ably returned Tim's fire (often so rapidly it was impossible to summarize).
Murtha characterized the Bush Administration's stay the course rhetoric as "stay and pay." In response to Rove's "cut'n'run" smear, Murtha said Rove was sitting in an air conditioned office, on his "big fat ... backside," making a political statement. Rove' statement is not a plan. "What is their plan? They have no plan." There comes a time when you have to change direction, and realize that you can't resolve a situation militarily. The Vice President and President of Iraq and 80 percent of Iraqis want us out of the country. It's time to redeploy out of Iraq; only the Iraqis can solve their own problems. We can redeploy to Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain. Zarkawi was taken out in a mission launched outside Iraq, based on Iraqi intelligence. Every single measurement of progress in Iraq is either below prewar levels or is going backward.
Murtha agrees with John Kerry that voting for the war was wrong. He also pointed out that if his position could be characterized as cut'n'run, two-thirds of the American people can also be characterized as cut'n'run.
Russert asked Murtha whether he was premature in announcing his intention to run for the post of House Majority Leader following the 2006 elections. It wasn't premature, you have to announce early to get your foot in the door. Murtha also acknowledged he is more conservative than most Dems on many issues.
Russert also exclusively welcomed the "top executives from three of the nation's big oil companies." They're hard to tell apart, except that one's bald and one has a name that rhymes with a female body part. But since they're all talking from the same page, it didn't much matter.
The oil execs. stated: Demand has outstripped supply; we're investing in more capital than ever before; crude prices are up, that translates into high profits; retail gasoline is struggling to make a profit; crude prices are paying for all our capital investments; over the long-term we haven't been that profitable; we're investing 15 billion in capital investigating; if we lower the prices, demand goes up, we run the risk of running out of supply; in Europe gas is 5 to 7 dollars a gallon; the U.S. uses 25 percent of the world's oil supply; what we pay Chief Executives isn't going to solve the problem; we're investing in bio diesel; the message of energy security; coal gasification; there's plenty of oil out there; we're more dependent on foreign oil; open up access to more oil in gas in the U.S. (outer continental shelf); we need to develop all sources of energy, including nuclear; second-generation ethanol.
Uh, what about Iraq? Did I fall asleep during that discussion? (Or was that just Tim?)
Fox News Sunday Mike Wallace's ungrateful son debriefed Fox News Sunday's erstwhile host, White House spokesman Tony Snow. Snow had no new news on the two American soldiers reportedly abducted in Iraq. What do you say to those holding the soldiers, asked Wallace. "Give 'em back," smirked Tony in a self-satisfied, half-querying tone that suggested he was delivering a clever answer to a riddle. Wallace told Snow he was hearing news about the discovery of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (!) , but Snow knew nothing about the subject.
After Snow avoided making news on Iraq and North Korea, Wallace was reduced to insider flattery. It seems to Wallace that Snow's only flaw as Bush spokesman is that he's "too interesting" and "too provocative." Snow feigned humility and enthused about the "fun" and "camaraderie" among Bush's toadies. Snow further claimed that Bush "likes to hear people who disagree" and that debate behind the scenes at 1600 Penn. Ave. is "pretty vigorous." Wallace dutifully kept a straight face.
Wallace also hosted John Podesta of the Center for American Progress and Simon Rosenberg of the New Democratic Network on the division among Dems re: Iraq. Rosenberg agrees with Senator Clinton and Bush on the evils of timetables, while Podesta says we must tell the Iraqis they must provide for their own security and must redeploy our forces elsewhere in the Global War on Terror.
In the roundtable, Brit Hume engaged in his usual sneering. (Hune seemed extra cranky today, for some reason.) We're fighting al-Qaeda in Iraq, said Brit for the edification of cut-'n'-run Dems. Juan Williams surprisingly stood up to Hume, noting that the vast majority of combatants in Iraq aren't foreign fighters and most of the violence is sectarian. Williams also stated that the House of Representatives' resolution on Iraq was typical Republican b.s., framed in terms of whether you love the troops or hate the troops.
Bill Kristol, the second embarrasing offspring on the program, demanded that Bush pardon Scooter Libby, saying once again that the Plame investigation is a "disgrace." According to Kristol, Ashcroft was wrong to recuse himself and name a special prosecutor, and the CIA was "out to get" someone in the White House.
Face the Nation In his second of three Sunday appearances, Tony Snow tried to buffalo Bob Schieffer about the situation in Iraq. Snow recounted how impressed Bush was with the leadership skills of Iraq Prime Minister Malaki. (That's hardly encouraging.) On his trip to a Baghdad helipad, Snow learned that Iraqis "to a person, Sunni, Shia and Kurd, say 'don't leave.'" (And you thought CNN's viewer polls were unscientific.) And Bush's low poll numbers are simply a natural reaction to war. (Yes, an unpopular war.)
Snow wouldn't confirm or deny the Time Magazine report of planned al-Qaeda attack on New York subways in 2003. He likewise refused to comment on Karl Rove's "cut and run" comments, stating that his job was to speak for the President and not to speak for those who spoke for the President.
Schieffer also interviewed Joe Biden (D-DE) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Iraq. Biden said not once, but three times, that his error was not his vote for the war against Iraq, but his assumption that Bush would know how to prosecute the war. "No one contemplated how incompetent this administration would be." This idiotic defense should asphyxiate Biden's presidential aspirations once and for all.
Lindsy Graham pessimistically stated he was "resolved to see it [the war] through." What other strategy is there besides standing by the moderates in Iraq, he asked, adding "There's no viable alternative to Bush's plan [sic]." Graham also drawled that "Ah'm willing to stay there as long as it takes" and "my Democratic friends cain't see success when it's right in front of them."
Sadly, Bob didn't close the program with a poem about Dad, as he did for Mom on Mother's Day. Rather, he chose to warn Dad to stay on good terms with us kids, since we're the ones who are going to put him in the nursing home.
Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer (Second Hour) Wolf welcomed Iraq Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari and, on behalf of his viewers, demanded assurances from him that national reconciliation in Iraq doesn't equal amnesty for Iraqis who killed or attacked American troops. Zebari seemed opposed to amnesty for those who killed Iraqis or committed atrocities against Iraqis (who Wolf's viewers don't seem to care about) or coalition forces, but would only state that amnesty will be defined by very clear rules.
Zebari is also timelinephobic.
Wolf's other guests in hour two were Bush I Secretary of State Larry Eagleburger and Carter National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski, who said, in regards to Iraq and North Korea, pretty much what you'd expect them to.
81 percent of respondents to Wolf's poll question think the United States should close Gitmo. Wolf, as ever, assured his viewers that the poll, like a Bush Administration appointee on global warming or women's health issues, isn't scientific.
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Welcome back, Roger!
Russert has delusions of grandeur.
Unfortunately, he also has delusions of competence.
Murtha rocked!
Interesting how his poll numbers on who the Iraqis trusted for security (Coalition only 1%) compared to Snow’s impression of Bushs’ popularity among all Iraqis. What a disparity.
Anything wrong with saying that someone is a Democrat. I know that story that Democrat Party should not be used, and instead one should say Democratic Party. But when referring to members of the party is it really wrong to say the Democrats or a Democrat? I think that is silly.
…isn’t scientific.
So shouldn’t Republicans agree with it, then?
A link to the atrocity that occured on Reliable Sources.
Which one, you ask? There were so many:
1. JOHN FUND: Appointing special prosecutors is almost always a mistake and in this case we now know there was no underlying crime and we knew did pretty early because Valerie Plame was not covered by the Agents’ Identity Act.
Oh really? How do you figure that? Has anybody else heard this bit of news?
2. KURTZ: Gloria Borger, are journalists suckers for this kind of secret trip to Baghdad stuff? Bush was there in less than six hours but got an avalanche of mostly positive coverage.
GLORIA BORGER, “U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT”: I think we are suckers. Particularly if you are the one that gets on go on the pool, Howie, and gets to travel with the president on the secret trip to Baghdad. We do like these secret trips.
Believe it or not, we kind of like to be surprised but if you’re a bureau chief in Washington you may be asking gee why didn’t we have more information and when you ask that question the answer you will always get from the White House is because this has to be shrouded in secrecy because this is a matter of presidential security. So we can’t tell you more about this in advance. So you know you’re being used but in a way you kind of like it because it’s good pictures.
KURTZ: We enjoy it.
This will send Bob Somersby to his grave so he can start spinning in it.
3. JOHN KING: But it is a very difficult situation. It is not the way it’s supposed to work. The White House is supposed to call five bureau chiefs and say we have a secret trip to Baghdad and we need you to pick a pool correspondent. We need to work on this.
But the White House didn’t do it that way. So I’m in the position of knowing we need to cover the president when he goes to Baghdad. So you raise objects to the White House and tell them this is not the way it’s is supposed to work and then you alert your boss who handles it and my boss handled it perfectly in this case, I think, and after the fact you go back to the White House and say we went through this once, we told you not to do this, we need to work on a better way to trust each other, but at the same time when they’re sending the president of the United States to Baghdad we damn well better cover him.
KURTZ: So in this fashion the White House essentially gets to pick the reporters that it wants to go on the trip.
To be perfectly fair, we just heard about this from the media themselves. We did actually hear about this.
Finally…
I’m afraid to read any further. Somebody else…
i recall c.s. lewis’ queen jaden boasting that she would fight to the last drop of her troops’ blood, the inference being that war was great fun, as long as she didn’t face the danger herself.
karl rove’s plan for iraq: stay in iraq and fight to the last drop of blood, the last soldier, the last of our sons and daughters. as long as none of their kids are dying over there. isn’t it time for jenna and not-jenna to put on a uniform?
chickens, it should be “…who has become the Democrats’…”
Sometimes it’s a tough chase on the words when you have to pick yourself up off the floor with laughter, rage, anything but respect; and I say that with one large deletion from the list of yappers, and that’s Murtha. He sliced and diced up Tim quite nicely thank you very much. Thanks for the roundup Roger, always a good read.
dopey-o 7
jenna and not-jenna - teehee!
dopey-o #7: isn’t it time for jenna and not-jenna to put on a uniform?
I think they’d be better at taking off a uniform.
Rove apparently wants to make Iraq a wedge issue.
“A majority of those polled, 53 percent, said the United States should set a timetable from withdrawing from Iraq; 41 percent were opposed.”
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI.....cnn_latest
BRING.IT.ON
I’m a big fan of Mr. Murtha but his demeanor on MTP today was horrifying. Someone needs to ask him to please complete one sentence or thought before he transitions to the next, or the next, or the next…
He tends to do the same kind of rapid fire interview but today for some reason he was in hyperdrive. Impossible to summarize is right. I had to put it on Mute a couple times just to see if the caption text caught what he was saying.
nightly blogwhoring to follow:
kids, net neutrality is the issue of the week, call your senators tomorrow, tell them to vote yes on s.2917, a bipartisan bill by dorgan and snowe to preserve net neutrality!
and, go read skippy’s deconstruction of the weekly standard’s misuse of facts which tries to prove that blogtopia (yes, we coined that phrase!) is losing readers (they fail to take growing blogs like fdl into consideration!)
Congressman Murtha on MTP was an absolute powerhouse. He speaks with such authenticity and authority because you know he’s speaking for the troops and the military that the BushCo political leadership callously uses for their own corrupt self-interest.
2500 American fathers [and not-American of those attempting to earn citizenship] had no reason to celebrate Father’s Day today. And how many children had no dad to call or hug today because he’s on the ground in Iraq…or under it after an undercover after dark flight back home in a box.
Murtha will prevail…truth and honor have more power than evil and corruption.
**** Be sure to watch PBS Frontline Tues, the 20th.
Hope everyone missed Tweety’s piece of shit program, featuring Kelly O’Donnell, Joe Klein, Elizabeth Bumiller, and Sully the Pooh. Wish I could say I did.
OT: Has anyone else seen Lucky Louie (starring Louis C.K.) on HBO? It’s like the Honeymooners loaded with profanity, sex, and seriously funny gags. LOL funny. The woman who plays Louie’s wife is especially brilliant.
The 1.5 hr movie on video.google.com “Mission Accomplished” needs to be watched by all “stay-the-course” types. A British journalist goes around Iraq talking to local people, about 7 months after “Mission Accomplished”. Gives you a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach how much the Iraqi people hate us for the occupation. And it is much much worse now!
Joseph Nobles,
“I’m afraid to read any further. Somebody else.”
JOHN FUND, OPINIONJOURNAL.COM: Well, when the president goes on Baghdad it’s news and it’s a good photo-op. So obviously they are going to get favorable coverage. But I just don’t think the media is excessively negative on Iraq. We have found computer files in Zarqawi’s computer which shows he was very pessimistic about the insurgency and said time was on the Americans’ side. That got very little coverage even though my intelligence sources say it’s been completely authenticated.
Carl Betz!
My favorite moment on Meet the Press today was the oil exec saying (re. ethanol) “There’s only so much corn.” Classic!
By contrast, I saw Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” today. Do see this important film.
http://www.slcblues.blogspot.com
I’m watching the CNN Presents, Dead Wrong: Inside an Intelligence Meltdown. It seems like a brief for impeachment of Bush, Cheney and the routing of their entire administration.
I don’t understand this country. Sure, we rave on and state our opposition here on the blogs, but how can there be so many Americans willing to close their eyes to this?
I was very impressed with Murtha. If only other Dems like Kerry, Hillary, Pelosi could have the passion that Murtha exhibited.
Your comments on the Fox News show were dead on, except that Britt Hume and Juan Williams almost always get in an argument which ends up with Hume giving Williams a look which normally lions give to their prey. And Hume is always cranky. I too could not control my laughter when Tony Snow talked about the camaraderie. Maybe that is because Rove has purged all dissent in the WH.
LindaR,
“I’m watching the CNN Presents, Dead Wrong: Inside an Intelligence Meltdown. It seems like a brief for impeachment of Bush, Cheney and the routing of their entire administration.
I don’t understand this country. Sure, we rave on and state our opposition here on the blogs, but how can there be so many Americans willing to close their eyes to this?”
CNN has been playing this over and over and over and over. Good on them.
The tide is slowly changing and Rove will be carried out to sea on this.
Cozumel — I thought I had seen ads for the show before. I just never saw it myself. I heard Al Gore on the radio today talking about people going from denial to despair and how dangerous that is. I haven’t been in denial (that I know of!), but I do tend toward despair. I think fondly of moving to Canada, and I remember the line in A Man For All Seasons where someone is getting out of England for his “health” and More says “This isn’t Spain!”, referring to the Inquisition.
I lose hope, I despair, I believe it’s too late and this is Spain.
But that might be because I live in John Doolittle’s district, ha! Wouldn’t you feel hopeless if all your neighbors voted for a guy like that in such numbers?
Sorry all! I’m usually a lot more cheerful!!
hey skippy!
Anything wrong with saying that someone is a Democrat. I know that story that Democrat Party should not be used, and instead one should say Democratic Party. But when referring to members of the party is it really wrong to say the Democrats or a Democrat? I think that is silly.
Democrat is a noun.
Democratic is an adjective.
Democratically is an adverb.
Democrat used as an adjective is an insult by a bastard Republican.
I’m just sayin…
crude prices are up, that translates into high profits
Funny, in most industries, when the price of raw materials goes up, profits go down.
LindaR @ 24
Take heart. You could live in Pombo’s district…
I don’t understand this country. Sure, we rave on and state our opposition here on the blogs, but how can there be so many Americans willing to close their eyes to this?
The Democratic Party has no leaders — zero!! Howard Dean is helping, but he is not taken seriously as a policy person by the mainstream press.
I read a few months ago a cynical summary of the Dem’s so-called “political strategy”, and why it has failed: “Do nothing, and wait around every four years for a charismatic leader to show up.” Well, we got lucky when that happened in 1992 with Clinton, and remember he was also aided by the Ross Perot effect. Besides 1992, do you call that a strategy?
Since about the time of Dukakus, I’ve no longer register as a Democrat, and instead am “Declined to State” or “Independent”. (Although I always vote Dems, and contribute $$). I’ve had it with this furshliginer party. Go Ned Lamont. Everyone else can get lost. I like Gary Hart, but he’s basically retired. That’s it — everyone else seems like a career politician with apparently no real convictions. You call that leadership? Hell, no.
PS - I personally blame Dukakus for tainting the word “liberal”. I could not believe he let himself get battered and diminished with that word. I was waiting for him to say “Hell, yes, I’m a liberal, like FDR and Social Security, JFK and civil rights enforcement, Lyndon Johnson and improving living standards for all citizens,” etc.
Many years ago, when Rush Limbaugh was beginning to make a name for himself, I reasoned that people were hungry for someone to express strongly held opinions, no matter what those opinions were. GOP has exploited that void. Dems are losers, who have let this country wither while they had 40-49% of the power. What a collection of ineffectual losers.
I’ve I’m wrong, please prove me wrong.
LindaR,
“Dead Wrong” has been shown for quite some time on CNN, months or more. I’ve probably seen it about six times and counting, so far ; )
I think fondly of moving to Cozumel, Mexico. Someday.
Hugh Beaumont! (The Beav’s dad)
Kids, do you want a late nite post on top of this one in about an hour, or do you want to wait for tomorrow night? Would hints about the topic help?
Is there any ‘trailer trash pie’ left? I am really hungry right about now.
-GSD
Dead Wrong is certainly worth watching … I was struck by CNN’s decision to put it back in heavy rotation and also to run their piece on “Hired Guns” several times this weekend.
ot but fyi to any southern fdl folks, a new blog has grown out of the Ykos southern progressive panel - http://southerndemocrats.us/20.....works.aspx
looks like a good place for folks to hook up and to mention the states project?
finally, Roger - I always mean to thank you for these Sun night enlightenments. Sun am is the only time I get to catch up sleep and being in the central time zone, I tend to forget to open my eyes until the worst of the sunday shows have gone by … but I know I can rely on your posts to fill in all the best bits. Thank you!
Boy, I hope Senator Schumer was watching.
Hope you like tapioca, Chuck.
GSD - please don’t start the late night munchies talk again … I could not get to sleep last night after all the talk of brownies and rhubarb !
SteveAudio 8:52 p.m.
You are correct. I think one reason people like Bob Dole like to say “Democrat Party” (remember when he talked about “Democrat wars” in his hilarious vice-presidential debate against Mondale in 1976?) is that they can’t stand calling it a “democratic” party.
hi, steveaudio!
yes, kids, it is hugh beaumont, but i wonder why parachutec didn’t use robert young, father knows best.
ps. i have met and worked with shelly fabres of the donna reed show. nicest person in show biz, no exaggeration.
bekkieann @20, that oil exec is right. There is only so much corn.
We could plant the whole US, including your and my backyard, with corn and it still would not be enough for “energy independence”. For one, the energy returned / energy invested ratio of corn is horrible - some even claim it takes more energy to create a gallon of corn ethanol than that gallon contains. Fertilizers are made from fossil fuels. Ethanol cannot be piped (it’s corrosive) so it has to be driven around in trucks, burning more energy.
Know why GM is so heavily advertizing their “go yellow” thing? Making some cheap changes in their engine they can say it’s a flex-fuel vehicle. This gives them a ‘discount’ in the CAFE requirements for their fleet, so they can claim to conform even when their mileage didn’t change. Whee.
Otherwise, if an oil company exec shakes your hand, be sure to count your fingers afterwards.
And I agree about “An Inconvenient Truth”. Go see it, if you haven’t. I pretty much knew the facts but it was still a good swift kick in my fat ass to do something. First thing, I bought carbon offsets from TerraPass.com to offset spewing 15000 lb / year of carbon in the air with my stupid commute. Next, looking to kill that commute by finding a job close to home.
TRex, I’m lucky if I get to post in one thread in a day! So, I’ll leave it up to others. That said, if you’re writing it, I will definitely read it whenever it’s posted! :)
TRex, I’m sitting patiently by the screen waitiing for you. But if you have something else to do tonight, (sniff) I’ll understand.
Okay, well then, I’m off to bed. See you kids tomorrow.
Does it have to do with Brownies and creeeeeeeeam?
This may already have been said; I haven’t read all the comments.
Al Gore is on Larry King now on CNN. It is a rerun, but I haven’t seen it and so it’s new to me. Gore is brilliant. Yes he is…
Oh, NOW you answer me.
Okay, well, I’ve got a couple of things to do before bed, then I’ll check back and see what the thread seems to be doing.
Back on topic:
Pushback on “staying the course”: Whenever they say it, the question needs to be asked “To what end?” Put them on the spot and make them give a real answer. The only ones benefiting from this travesty are the no-bid contractors– and they’re raking in the taxpayers’ money! That point needs to repeated over and over.
Missing US troops and Iraqi hearts and minds;
From Yahoo:
“A Youssifiyah resident, who claimed his house was searched by U.S. soldiers Sunday afternoon, also said the Americans used translators to offer $100,000 for information leading to those who took the soldiers.
He said he would not cooperate because he was angry with the Americans.
“I will not do it even if they pay $1 million,” the resident said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he feared retribution. “They deserve all that they are facing … We are living a hard life because of them.”
-GSD
aReader 28:
Geeze, such cynicism! The Democrats have been guilty of primarily NOT being the ruthlesws lying hypocritical bastards that the right are.
Alright, y’all. I’ve got to go to bed. It’s late. If I put up the post, then I will need to hang out and moderate and my eyelids are slamming shut already.
See you guys tomorrow.
‘Night, TRex. Dream of rain…
SteveAudio
In my cynical moments, I believe every Dem has a built-in computer, the size of 5 Googles, editing everything they say. Words are measured, the attitude is “mustn’t say anything controversial, or I won’t get the results I want in November”. In certain studies of psychology, this is termed “magical thinking” (”if I just wear my lucky hat, the Dodgers will win — I just know it!!”)
Yes, I am feeling very cynical today. I’m feeling no one is speaking for me. For instance, after last year’s election, I wanted John Kerry to say “all right, I received almost half of the votes of the US citizens, so I am going to be watching Bush every day, and if he continues to damage this country, then you can bet I will make my voice heard.” I don’t see that happening.
Of course there are exceptions, but I have high standards, and want much, much more from the Demorcratic Party.
Evening. GSD, 46: I hadn’t heard that. This story just gets worse and worse. And….sort of “inside” this tragedy is the realization that the bad guys have learned, and perfected some battle maneuver tactics. Things that are even taught at West Point.
From what I understand, a group of bad guys set up diversionary fire and drew some soldiers away. This of course, split the US forces. Others, lying in wait, jumped the remaining soldiers.
This is a WHOLE new ballgame from setting up IEDs somewhere, waiting for the US convoy, then triggering the detonation. Very, very bad development.
Ghostman
aReader at 28… you are dead on (unfortunately)… As horrific as this Administration is - and with the future of real democracy truly up in the air, the Democratic party hardly deserves the time of day. They have shown zero leadership, zero initiative and proven themselves spineless (to say nothing of hapless in terms of message management).
Example: When John Edwards was named kerry’s running mate, every Republican talking head was on cable within 30 minutes with the same line: most liberal voting record in the Senate.
When NSA wiretapping was revealed and the Democrats had a chance to finally seize the high ground on a topic, they all go bumbling around with 10 different hard to understand, rambling comments. Only Feingold had a decent sound bite, which they all should have used… “it’s not KING George”. Drive home one simple point, that the president does not have imperial powers. Period. Forget the nuance. The public has.
25 years in the tv business for me and I’ve never seen such “professionals” be so out of touch with media reality. Can someone in the Democratic Party grow a spine, quickly??
OK, enough of my rant. Perhaps its time to cut down on the sweets (no brownies here, but did have a decadent caramel apple earlier)
fightgirl
I’ve been chomping Trader Joe’s chocolate morsels out of the bag — yum!
aReader… maybe we should send some chocolate and caramel over to Pelosi and Reid’s offices to get them off their butts… on second thought, maybe we should just go and take over…
Oilfieldguy says:
June 17th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
Nixon was so nice and honest and cuddly compared to these bastards.
Agreed.
I miss that dude….
patience says:
June 17th, 2006 at 12:05 am
When Bill Moyer is not able to work for a corporate news service, even PBS the supposed public one, it tells you all you need to know about the meaning of the word “journalist”. If there was any integrity at all in the news business broadcasters on every network in every media would have stopped work until Moyer’s position was restored.
Yeah….that would have been nice. Sigh….
Late night post, please! Something for us westcoasters to do before bedtime.
The Democratic Party has been busy losing it’s mo-jo for the past 30 years; they wouldn’t recognise a compelling narrative if it slapped them up side the head like an 8 pound perch.
What’s replaced the Democratic Party is a bunch of freelance incumbents, who are as comfortable running against the party as running for it.
It’s not that they don’t want to be a majority party — but that institutionally they have forgotten how.
Of course, it’s those dirty hippy bloggers that are the real threat — if candidates start listening to us, the Democratic Consultants might lose their cocktail weenies.
aReader: I like Gary Hart too. Everytime I see him on the telly I am so impressed. Disturbing that the smart ones seem to be burdened by such poor judgment, eh?
On this Democratic Party name thing I think we should go back to just refering to it as ‘The Democracy’. That is what we want it to be.
Re Cornerstone13
“I’m a big fan of Mr. Murtha but his demeanor on MTP today was horrifying. Someone needs to ask him to please complete one sentence or thought before he transitions to the next, or the next, or the next%u2026″
Murtha’s unmitigated passion is part of his attraction. What you find “horrifying” is exactly how his message needs to be said. Do you want his style or Joe Biden’s?
Was he polite?
Was he passionate?
Was he right?
Stop expecting that the message must be framed in tones comfortable to you.
We all go to our hell if our message isn’t heard.
Lobstergirl @59 … Gary Hart has been right on about terrorism for years… as for his “poor judgment”, I’m not sure how much poorer it is than other lecherous folks like Newt Gingrich (who hit on me at a party with his wife 10 yards away. I’m still trying to erase the memory and it was years ago)… somehow, the Dems get caught, and the Republican attack machine manages to make their acts of “poor judgment” front page news all the time…
fightgirl, et al:
Re: The Democraptacular Party
“We have met the enemy… and he is us”
http://www.igopogo.com/we_have_met.htm
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Gary E @ 61
Right! What would I like to hear? A kneepad-wearing pres hopeful who loves to hear himself speak? Prolly not. Give us plain-spoken, courageous, honest and civil who actually wants to LEAD his party someplace. And BTW, for all his conservative bent, I’d take Murtha over Hoyer by a wide margin.
Of course, it’s those dirty hippy bloggers that are the real threat %u2014 if candidates start listening to us, the Democratic Consultants might lose their cocktail weenies.
dingding! we have a winner, folks.
i blame the consultant class for a lot of the democratic party’s problems. almost as much as i blame the dem leadership for continuing to pay for them, and their awful, loss inducing “advice.”
just saw Ava on CNN - had a chance to meet her at Ykos and introduce her around the media room - what a great young woman! and she handled a rather hostile interview with aplomb!
For folks who don’t know Ava’s work, go to:
http://www.peacetakescourage.c.....ations.htm
she’s a source of hope!
chicagodyke@65… you are right about the consultants! If I see Donna Brazile on one more show, I don’t know what I’ll do. Who does she have pictures of, because she certainly hasn’t made her mark with winning campaign advice!
and Siun@66… Ava has done some amazing things. Glad you are drawing even more attention to her.
Siun — Ava was great. Carol Lin is a total airhead, in my opinion. I don’t mean that as a slur, but as a diagnosis.
TRex 31 - watcha got in store for us in Late Nite?
chicago dyke @ 65
Everytime I see one of those middling putzes on the teevee, I want to throw things. Bob Shrum is a brain-donor!
As in anything, we always get in trouble by being unable to get to the root cause of the issue. Whether it be in a job, a relationship, or a political stance, don’t you think we always cut to the easy catch phrase supporting our current opinion?
Opinions are something always waiting to be replaced.
TRex 48
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See you guys tomorrow.
Awright then, this is our de facto stand-in Late Nite thread…
All I watched on the tee vee today was France v. Korea in the World Cup (a disppointing come-from-ahead tie for les Bleus). Don’t think I’ve ever watched a Sunday morning talking head show, ever.
hey Siun!
Punaise!!!!
I’m still rooting for Korea from last World Cup but missed today’s game.
Did catch the end of the Miami/Dallas bball game - good stuff!
Punaise — This is Late Night, if I understood TRex correctly. It’s late and for some reason he thinks he’s allowed to sleep. Time to post the kitty pictures. As for names, I’d suggest Wilson, but I assume as a responsible pet owner you’re going to neuter the little guy, and Joe is emphatically all male. Yum. Anyway, my two (Titania and Oberon, a/k/a Tanya and Obie) say hi.
siun, fightgirl, and LindaR, I watched the interview with Ava and marveled at how Carol Lin managed to be hostile, condescending, and dumber than a pile of rocks all at the same time. If her IQ were 10 points lower, she’d have leaves. Ava was great, though.
It is now time to take a hint from TRex and go to bed. G’night, all.
Anyone want to play “name the kitten”?
Our new kitten, 8 week old male orange tabby:
photo 1
phot 2
photo 3
photo 4
My first choice, Fitz the Cat, didn’t pass muster around the household (thanks for the encouragement anyway, siun). Possible candidates so far:
Polo
Louie (Louie Cat Oars? i.e. Louis XIV)
Calvin
Lazlo
Zephyr
Colbert
Beppe
MArley
Hugo
Rex
Thibault / T-Bo
Rosco
etc….
BarbaraB - I posted kitty pix but they’re awaiting moderation. O, powers that be….
Ava was great. Carol Lin makes Rita Cosby look like Einstein.
punaise- the “powers that be” have been having a really BAD DAY. Especially Jane. Don’t press it- that’s my considered advice.
VG - it was merely a gentle invocation, but thanks for the heads-up. Been away most of the day; should I be combing through past threads?
punaise- Jane’s mother is in hospital, and it is not looking good. RH is stretched to her limits.
good evening folks. I have a ‘for information only’ question I would like to throw out. I’m not sure if there is a topic to be off of, but if so, pls excuse me. Does anyone out there remember back in the sixties when French riot police lined up and marched against protestors?…I seem to remember that they marched in formation swinging their capes..kids were falling everywhere. Am I remembering this correctly? or was it a dream??? I also have a vague picture of red…was it the capes? the blood? strange thing to remember…anyone remember this?
Thanks Siun for the Ava link.
Yup, it is late night.
What about real dad stories rather than teevee craptactular ones?
Mine’s at my place. It’s about a snot-nosed border straddlin’ kid* who comes to see the light.
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northern,, not southern, border (and I was legal).
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I’m still loving Fitz the Cat … good name and good omen.
Our three are Bobbie, Max and my beloved idjit Kapow who is right now trying to find a way into my suitcase for my trip to DC tomorrow!
all rescues and all male and all really irritated that we added a pup to the household - a clear lack of class on our part!
VG - saw about Jane’s mum last night; let’s hope/pray for the best.
I was appealing to a presumed guest moderator (like you, n’est-ce pas?). Anyway, no biggie on my end for the comment awiting moderation.
Maybe Brit Hume is cranky every Fathers Day….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hume
Punaise, I am not moderating. But if you had too many links, that may have been the cause of the problem.
I’ll check back for the kitty pix tomorrow. At least your boy will eventually get a real name. I once rescued an adolescent grey and white male from the street in Washington D.C. I had no intention of keeping him — I already had a cat — but I figured I could find him a home. I refused to give him a name, because then I’d keep him, but I had to have something to call him, so I called him “the grey cat.” By the time it had become clear to both of us that I was, in fact, keeping him, it was too late to change his name. He answered to Grey Cat. It was a little embarrassing whenever I took him to a new vet — the receptionists would invariably give me one of those “couldn’t you think of a better name than that” looks — but Grey Cat didn’t mind. He lived to be 20, and he was one of the best. cats. ever.
“They’re hard to tell apart, except that one’s bald and one has a name that rhymes with a female body part.”
Mulva?
(With thanks to Jerry Seinfeld.)
siun - well, then, Fitz the Cat will be his FDL handle.
your poor pup won’t know what hit him. either that, or utter disdain from the cats. low critter on the totem pole, no?
VG - 4 pix
Teddy–
Funny thing is, I remember when Hume the Younger was a local ABC affiliate guy at KOMO.
There was nothing in his demeanor to indicate that his heart is actually harder than a cast-iron frying pan back then.
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BarbaraB - great story
KOMO in Seattle (sorry - siun may remember too).
Talk Wilde - interesting question. I well remember the French student uprising but not capes … will have to do some poking about
brain failing me RossK … refresh?
Punaise - the cat/pup thing is pretty funny since pup is rather big … half pit, half hound - ferocious bark, very soft heart and he really does not understand why cats will not play with him! after they hiss, swipe, and stalk away, he flops to the floor completely dejected and makes this supersad little sounds.
of course, that means I must give him a treat to make up for the other kids being mean!
Newt Gingrich, channeling TeddySanFran, via TPM:
Punaise — And it’s even true. Just don’t wait too long, or you could wind up with Orange Cat. You’d have to call him O.C. to avoid the shame. Of course, you could also call him Red. That is, technically, his color, and I bet Christy wouldn’t mind. Just please don’t name him Morris or Garfield. We expect better than that from Punaise the Magnificent. And now it really is bedtime. Sweet dreams, y’all.
‘night, BarbaraB…
Enter the “What Does ‘GOP’ Stand For?” Contest.
The contest is simple. Tell us what you think the three-letter acronym “GOP” now stands for. With the one-time budget balancers now the budget busters and the isolationists now nation builders, what does GOP mean? Has the “Grand Old Party” become “God’s Own Party?” Greed Over Patriotism? Gauging Oil Prices? Gays On Pitchforks? Got Only Probation? Guilty On Plame?
First prize for the most creative, original, irreverent or entertaining GOP definition is an iPod Shuffle. Second place earns you a $50 Amazon gift certificate. And the third place finisher will receive a Perrspectives “Conservative Threat Level” t-shirt.
siun, I love Ava’s work. What heart and determination she has!
I showed one of her animations (WWJD?) to an online group that has some conservatives in it. Oh boy…not welcomed.
while poking about for answers to Wilde’s question, I found the following odd tidbits:
first a series of test questions on the sixties which made me laugh a lot:http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/history/reiff/cluster/website/1960SectionQuestions.htm
second a good wiki piece on the May 68 revolt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968 complete a great film list (maybe capes in those?) with a selection of slogans of which my favorite two are:
Pas de repltrage, la structure est pourrie.
No replastering, the structure is rotten.
Nous ne voulons pas d’un monde o la certitude de ne pas mourir de faim s’change contre le risque de mourir d’ennui.
We want nothing of a world in which the certainty of not dying from hunger comes in exchange for the risk of dying from boredom.
but no capes …
time for sleep here … bon soir!
RickD
“They’re hard to tell apart, except that one’s bald and one has a name that rhymes with a female body part.”
Phillip Ian Tubbs?
Miss Ingrib?
Margot - nodding … Ava does stir things up!
and her story on CNN included a lot of her what would jesus do animation - with pics not often seen on US tv.
ok … to sleep now.
g’nite all!
Talk Wide - maybe you’re thinking of the shields and batons wielded by the CRS (national police). Capes doesn’t/don’t ring a bell.