
The FDL Book Salon is so happy to welcome Peter Daou, who will be leading today’s discussion on the first half of Eric Boehlert’s book Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush. Peter has done the overview for Lapdogs for us today, and I know this is going to be an amazing starting point for discussion for everyone.– CHS
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Lapdogs, Pt. I — From Peter Daou
It is singular how soon we lose the impression of what ceases to be constantly before us - Lord Byron
Notwithstanding the absurdly anachronistic rightwing claim of “liberal” media bias, George W. Bush’s ascent to the highest office in the land and his subsequent 5+ years in office have been marked by uniquely supplicant media coverage. Beginning with the Daily Howler(who deconstructed anti-Gore narratives in 2000) to Media Matters, bloggers and online media watchers have documented the media’s pattern of Bush-propping and Dem-bashing.
This blatant sycophancy reached jaw-dropping heights (or depths) around Bush’s Mission Accomplished photo-op. It was a low point for the American press, with journalists like NBC’s Brian Williams saying, “two immutable truths about the president that the Democrats can’t change: He’s a youthful guy. He looked terrific and full of energy in a flight suit. He is a former pilot, so it’s not a foreign art form to him. Not all presidents could have pulled this scene off today."
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, never one to be outdone in the Bush-fawning department, went further: “He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics…. He’s like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign?
Bush’s approval ratings have plummeted since those heady days. With polls in the basement and reporters forced to abandon their blatant sycophancy in favor of more subtle Bush-propping techniques, it’s easy to forget the level of obsequiousness evidenced by the above quotes. Along comes Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush, Eric Boehlert’s new book, to remind us – in vivid detail – how the press “rolled over” for Bush. Lapdogs is a thorough examination of America’s media problem. Sorting through copious material, Boehlert deals with a number of media transgressions, including The Note’s bootlicking, the media’s shameful role in the Swift Boat sliming of John Kerry, the Downing Street memo blackout, and much more.
The media’s failure to ask tough questions in the run-up to the Iraq invasion provides abundant fodder:
“It’s not fair to suggest the MSM alone convinced Americans to send some sons and daughter to fight. But the press went out of its way to tell a pleasing, administration-friendly tale about the pending war. In truth, Bush never could have ordered the invasion of Iraq — never could have sold the idea at home — if it weren’t for the help he received from the MSM, and particularly the stamp of approval he received from so-called liberal media institutions such as the Washington Post, which in February of 2003 alone, editorialized in favor of war nine times. (Between September 2002 and February 2003, the paper editorialized twenty-six times in favor of the war.) The Post had plenty of company from the liberal East Coast media cabal, with high-profile columnists and editors — the newfound liberal hawks — at the New Yorker, Newsweek, Time, the New York Times, the New Republic and elsewhere all signing on for a war of preemption.
By the time the invasion began, the de facto position among the Beltway chattering class was clearly one that backed Bush and favored war. Years later the New York Times Magazine wrote that most "journalists in Washington found it almost inconceivable, even during the period before a fiercely contested midterm election [in 2002], that the intelligence used to justify the war might simply be invented." Hollywood peace activists could conceive it, but serious Beltway journalists could not? That’s hard to believe. More likely journalists could conceive it but, understanding the MSM unspoken guidelines — both social and political — were too timid to express it at the time of war.” [Note: Boehlert uses the common abbreviation ‘MSM’ to describe the mainstream media -- others have used ‘establishment’, ‘legacy’, ‘corporate’, ‘traditional’ or ‘old’ media
Boehlert describes the timidity of reporters in the months after 9/11 and the media’s muted response as the White House used the attacks to beat the drums of war:
“ABC News's White House correspondent Terry Moran claimed he was offended when he overheard two print reporters talking inside the briefing room in January 2002, as they awaited spokesman Ari Fleischer's arrival to face mounting questions about the administration's role in the burgeoning Enron business scandal. "I heard people saying, 'All right, we're back, to hell with the war [in Afghanistan],’ as if chasing the shadows and ghosts of potential appearances or possible conflicts of interest [regarding Enron] was more important than the war the country had been thrust into," Moran told American Journalism Review. "I was shocked … I’m not sure that lower Manhattan had actually stopped smoldering." Four months after the attacks of 9/11, Moran thought it was still inappropriate for reporters to pose tough questions to the White House.
“That was the prevailing MSM attitude as 2002 unfolded. Then halfway through the year the administration doubled down and secured another round of free passes when it signaled its interest in invading Iraq. Between the War on Terror and the war with Iraq, the Bush White House all but guaranteed itself a timid press corps that emphasized its megaphone function. The MSM coverage of the War on Terror and their reporting during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq were inexorably linked. By the time the invasion was launched in March of 2003, the press was so comfortable having spent the previous year lying down for the White House and its foreboding War on Terror, that it could not muster enough energy to get up off the floor.”
Lapdogs should be required reading for Democratic leaders and strategists who still wonder why their message doesn’t break through the media filter. Speaking of Democrats, I’ll give the last word to Sen. John Kerry – subject of an entire chapter – who has this to say about the book: “From Vietnam, to Watergate and the Iran Contra scandal, a free, independent, and probing press has always served almost as a fourth branch of government holding politicians accountable. Eric Boehlert asks some tough and compelling questions about what really motivates and moves the American press today. Agree, disagree, but don’t ignore – this is a book all voters should read and it will spark some heated discussions in journalism classes everywhere.”
[Per usual, please limit your comments on this thread to the book discussion. Anyone wanting to discuss other topics, feel free to do so on the previous thread which can be found here.]
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- FDL Book Salon Discusses “The Test Of Our Times” With Gov. Tom Ridge
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Dahr Jamail, The Will to Resist: Soldiers Who Refuse to Fight in Iraq and Afghanistan
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As always, please keep comments in this thread to the book discussion topic only. Comments on other issues can be made in the prior thread. Thank you!
Helen Thomas!
and Fitz !
Welcome, Monsieur Dao.
I’ve just finished chapter 1 (the interruption factor in my house is high). At the end of the chapter, Boehlert says the somnolent press awoke temporarily during Katrina. The disconnect between what they experienced on the ground and what they were being fed from the WH was just too great and they were outraged. One would assume that would open their eyes to the rest of the BS they are fed from the same quarter. But, IMHO, one would be wrong. They seem to have gone back to sleep, for the most part. What happened?
Welcome, Peter! Lapdogs is such an important book — and one that has stirred up a lot of controversy with folks in the media — who have all read it, but have been shying away from giving it much coverage. I’m so happy we can give it some play here today: Eric raises a lot of issues which need a much closer examination.
The whole book lays out quite an indictment. It’s blisteringly well researched. And yet, Democratic party leaders never campaign against or point out in coordinated, vociferous fashion the failures of the establishment media? Why?
Peter?
Next: Am I being naive to think that netroots can build a noise machine for the next election with volunteers? The coordinated efforts of the right (VRWC?) to flood the media with their pre-paid message drowns everything else out. Could we do that from home, in our PJ’s?
Hi mommybrain, hard to say why Katrina opened such a brief window, but the interesting effect was to puncture Bush’s “likable” image. I suspected the media’s tone would revert to its typical sycophancy and that they would look for any opportunity to talk about a Bush ‘rebound’ – sure enough, that’s where we are now…
Knock knock? Anyone home?
Hi Christy, hi Pach.
Pach – you’re right that the Dem establishment has yet to internalize the media fight the way the rightwing has. Jamison Foser lays it out here: http://mediamatters.org/items/200606160008
Sorry gang, I’m having a coding issue with the post in the WordPress software and trying to get it fixed. May take me a minute or two.
Peter — Jamison’s whole media series has been exceptional, and it’s such a complimentary piece to Lapdogs.
One thing that stuck with me during the 2004 campaign was the maliciously slanted coverage of the Democractic Convention by the major networks. Matthews would simply cut away in the middle of an interesting speech in order whine about this or that. A question: would it be possible for the party, with Dean at the helm and perhaps the help of Gore and the Moveon crowd, to put serious restrictions on how this central event gets covered? Eg, only so much bloviating, no splicing, and only continuous coverage of any given speech. I’m naive about how all these things work, but I do know that this event belongs to the party and it ought to be able to put limits on how much distortion and manipulation the MSM can pull off.
Pach at 5 — I have been wondering about that question myself. It seems to me there would be more coordination on that message from party leadership — except perhaps the interrelationship among the press and the politicians has become so intertwined that perhaps there is a lack of desire to rock that boat. Or a fear of things getting worse.
I haven’t gotten to Lapdogs yet, but I have to say that when the Downing Street Memo got almost 100% hushed-up over here, I lost my last ounce of faith in our media. Froomkin alone (natch) seemed to have had his hair on fire, but he couldn’t keep it going singlehandedly.
These days, I think there may be the least movement back to some vigilance — far too little far too late, probably, to do any good.
It didn’t take Brian Williams long to wear out his welcome in this house, and The Note is long since off my list too. Don’t know how Katie Couric will affect CBS’s evening news, but for now, that’s the one I watch. Lara Logan is incredible — like Amanpour 15 years ago, only possibly even braver.
All in all, it’s the blogoverse and its attendant writers and books that I believe have the last chance to save us.
mommybrain, what you saw with katrina was reporters on the ground, seeing the dead bodies, seeing the people trapped and true conditions on the ground. Even the Faux talking heads were seeing real life and due to conditions were not being spoon fed the WH talking points until they returned to the “real world”.
There are days I would love to unplug the talking heads ear weanies or find the ability to scream into them. But having them in allows them to be partially deaf without consequences.
Vartan7 – I’m not sure the issue is to address coverage of the convention so much as it is to deal with the larger narratives promoted by the press. Gore and Kerry both suffered the effects of negative storylines peddled by the media: Kerry=elitist flip-flopper, Gore=wooden fabricator.
I grew up a newspaper brat – kinda like a military brat without the support system – moving from city to city, paper to paper. I’ve seen journalism change from a something of a calling to a Profession.
From my dad, there was always a bit of “Well, I’ve done the research and you haven’t, you can’t possibly know all I know and still hold that opionion” when people would question a story or opionion of his. I know there’s information reporters have that we never find out – on background, off-the-record stuff. How much of a part does this play in the reporting we get from the DC in-crowd? Not so much the ego part but off-the-record stuff that informs their POV but doesn’t come out in the stories? (Is this question clear?)In other words, is there something they know that we don’t that makes them so easy on Bush? Or is it that Bush knows something about them ;-)
I’ve been loving Bob Somerby’s pinpricking of Frank Rich, Gore and the 200 election these last few weeks.
mommybrain – one of the things i try to do is to avoid the urge to analyze the cause of the media’s poor behavior and to stay focused on the reporting itself. Misinformation is misinformation; false narratives are false narratives; the effects are bad no matter what the reason.
Hi Peter –
You wrote: the Dem establishment has yet to internalize the media fight the way the right wing has.
I’m not convinced the DC Dems have even externalized an awareness of right wing media bias. It seems they are more afraid of the blogs, because associating with us opens them up to accusations of liberal bias.
What was most disheartening about the Kerry campaign, was that at the beginning he seemed determined to avoid the mistakes Dukakis made, and ended up making the same mistakes all over again.
The 1992 Clinton campaign was very successful in short circuiting the Bush / Media attacks, with their War Room Pre-Buttals; what do you suggest we can do to short circuit the pro-Bush Media Bias?
It is incredibly aggrivating to watch the ongoing media sycophancy and to hear the right wingers posit that we’re Just Not Getting the Good News from Iraq, but the fact of the matter is that we’re not getting enough of the bad news. We don’t see the injured and killed Iraqi civilians, or the bodies stacked like cordwood from sectarian killings, or the scores of orphaned children who will be tomorrow’s terrorists.
Overseas news outlets broadcast these images, but the American people are living largely in blissful ignorance of the daily carnage in Iraq. What can we do as American micro-media outlets to bring more people’s attention to the realities of this war?
It was truly sickening the other day to see all that republican posturing in the House “debate” about Iraq. I also found that my local Rep, an alleged Democrat, was one of the cross-over votes in favor of the republicans’ resolution.
I’m going over to his office on Monday morning.
Peter D @ 7
I think the reason that Katrina opened a window is simply that the administration’s screwups were so transparent and out in the open.
NOAA made announcement after announcement that a huge f-ing storm was coming, a week in advance. The MSM went into 24/7 storm mode – not a bad thing, given the size of the storm and the area threatened. Once it hit, it hit everyone, either directly or by extension. I don’t live on the Gulf Coast, but I’ve got kin who do. I’ve got friends in NOLA whose personal property came through more or less OK but whose city is still staggering. Everybody knows someone hit by Katrina, even if it’s once or twice removed.
Then look at the response. When CNN realized that they had better sources in NOLA than FEMA, they were first surprised, then shocked, and finally angry. Listening to some of the interviews with Brown and Chertoff, more than once I screamed at the TV “Doesn’t the White House get cable TV?”
“You’re doing a heckuva job, Brownie,” was the icing on the cake. It was too much for even the vaunted WH spin machine to handle.
The media discovered, perhaps for the first time since 9-11, that they had “more and better intelligence” than the government, to borrow some language from the GWOT, on a huge domestic catastrophe – not Katrina, but the governmental preparations and followup response to it.
“False narratives” says it all. In Iraq and so many other stories, the WH spinners could play out their preferred versions of events, and if the media wanted to fight that version, they’d have a lot of work to do. With Katrina, the media held better cards than the WH, and everyone knew it.
I haven’t read any of the books we’ve been discussing–can’t afford them– but I’m so glad they’re out there.
During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq I (along with so many others) wrote letters to ABC’s Peter Jennings about the coverage, pointing out the flaws in the information they were getting from the White House, including quotes from Intelligence and Military experts with links and all. I was ignored. The closer we got to “War” the more vociferous I got. Didn’t matter, he never batted an eye while repeating the lies and never acknowledging the information I sent him.
I remember him explaining at one point how “War” gets his blood flowing, how exciting/thrilling it is. Can’t give the exact quote because I was purple and screaming by that time.
My last letter to him was after the war started and went something like “When America and everything it stands for gets flushed down the crapper, you’ll be to blame. I hold you personally responsible for failing to live up to your responsibility to inform the public.”
Then he up and died on me.
well, i haven’t read the book yet, but plan to on my long plane trip to nyc later this week.
afterwards i will go back in time one week and participate in this forum.
The Internet has taken over my free time except for skim reading the Washington Post and watching ABC nightly news. From my prejudiced viewpoint, the lapdog press is still going strong. But, it appears to be directed from top down on the Broadcasters. We are getting dots but corporate media is not connecting them.
I also sense a guerilla movement in the reporting. ABC had a segment on the Marines a week ago. Charlie Gibsons voice over was repeating Pentagon propaganda on the pride of the Marines but the video was of a Bradley Personnel Carrier driving through a Iraqi city flying a black skull and crossbones Pirate Flag. A video that demonstrates there is no Command and Control. In my year in Vietnam this demonstration of lawlessness would never have been allowed.
Am I seeing something that is not there?
Peter,
Point taken. The only way to move forward on this depressing matter, as I think many have said, is to get a critical mass within the party leadership to recognize the seriousness of the problem. No matter how badly punked they are by the MSM, it will always be important to Russert et al. that they get “access” to what Democrats are thinking and doing. The current dynamic is that Democrats want access to the media. That has to be reversed (no small task, of course). The media needs to be made to feel that the Democrats don’t need, or fully respect, their services. That of course is exactly what Rove and Bush have done. But Al Gore has done it too.
Consider the contrast of the media treatment afforded Bush during war, and Clinton. The media questioned every move made in the Balkans, and supported the impeachment of a sitting President during a time of war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Clinton
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS…..chment.01/
Everything Republicans now say can’t be done to a President during a time of war, they did to Clinton.
Why isn’t the media calling bullshit?
Beacuse while the media is generally liberal on a handful of social issues (gun control, abortion – jesus, will we ever get past those two?), they are fiscally conservative.
The opinion leaders (Russert, the anchors, Matthews) used to draw working wages. The salaries they now draw make them strictly investor class.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0930-14.htm
When a person pushes a story so at odds with the known facts, sex or money has to be involved. Considering the folks involved, money is gentler to the imagination.
Michael Getler’s attempted takedown of Lapdogs in WaPo was mentioned in an earlier thread, but I wanted to call people’s attention to an especially sweet rejoinder to Getler, from Steve Rendall of FAIR, in this week’s Counterspin. I’ve transcribed the relevant passage:
Getler’s other big criticism of Lapdogs is that Boehlert didn’t talk enough to journalists. Boehlert wrote in the book that looking at the actual journalism produced during the Bush years makes the conclusion that the press rolled over for Bush, in his words, “inescapable.”
Getler’s contention? It can’t be inescapable because that would mean “knowing what was inside the heads of producers and editors at the time their news decisions were made.”
With all due respect to Michael Getler’s colleagues in the mainstream media, if you want to know if a dog is rolling over, you don’t ask the dog. You check to see if its feet are in the air.
Shep Smith, Anderson Cooper and Joe Scarborough were telling the truth during Katrina– they could not lie about the horrific reality staring them in the face. I watched agape as they one by one expressed outraged truth.
Today while listening to these same networks, I heard over and over that AQ planned to use poison gas in trains 3 years ago… every channel I turned to and at eerily similar times. I hollered out in frustration, and my bud said– “hey, it’s the news they want to talk about”. Are they watching each other’s ratings? Just wtf is going on?
Mr. Daou, thank you and I really liked your piece at C&L on Ann C.
June 8th at the WH briefing, Tony Snow said the media was not reporting enough of the bad news in Iraq. Mr. Harris took my question wrt to this at wapo, I heard no more about it.
Jim S -
I’m seeing some of the same signs, and trying not to get my hopes up.
Yesterday, “CNN Presents” did an hour (!) on the cherrypicking of intelligence in the run up to the war in Iraq (with a side helping of plameology). The report had its problems, but on the whole I thought they did a pretty good job with it. The fact that it appeared at all I took to be a pretty good sign.
You can say the same thing about the WaPo publication of the cable from the US Embassy in Baghdad, about the strains on Iraqis who work at the embassy. I can’t wait to see what they do with this tomorrow to follow up.
Signs of life, signs of life . . . but will they continue?
Hmmm. I see something rather unusual up on Raw Story just now: a Fox anchor asking an FBI guy, “Does the American government fake terrorist documents?”
Even without follow-up, it’s notable that one of Rupert’s minions would plant such a seed . . .
“It is singular how soon we lose the impression of what ceases to be constantly before us.” – Lord Byron
Notwithstanding the absurdly anachronistic rightwing claim of “liberal” media bias, George W. Bush’s ascent to the highest office in the land and his subsequent 5+ years in office have been marked by uniquely supplicant media coverage. Beginning with the Daily Howler (who deconstructed anti-Gore narratives in 2000) to Media Matters, bloggers and online media watchers have documented the media’s pattern of Bush-propping and Dem-bashing.
An equally “absurdly anachronistic” claim may be that there ever has been a mainstream media that has not rolled over for this government’s spin and lies to get us into an ill-advised war. From FAIR:
30-year Anniversary: Tonkin Gulf Lie Launched Vietnam War
Media Beat (7/27/94)
By Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon
…A pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media…leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.
The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an “unprovoked attack” against a U.S. destroyer on “routine patrol” in the Tonkin Gulf on Aug. 2 — and that North Vietnamese PT boats followed up with a “deliberate attack” on a pair of U.S. ships two days later.
The truth was very different.
Rather than being on a routine patrol Aug. 2, the U.S. destroyer Maddox was actually engaged in aggressive intelligence-gathering maneuvers — in sync with coordinated attacks on North Vietnam by the South Vietnamese navy and the Laotian air force.
“The day before, two attacks on North Vietnam…had taken place,” writes scholar Daniel C. Hallin. Those assaults were “part of a campaign of increasing military pressure on the North that the United States had been pursuing since early 1964.”
On the night of Aug. 4, the Pentagon proclaimed that a second attack by North Vietnamese PT boats had occurred earlier that day in the Tonkin Gulf — a report cited by President Johnson as he went on national TV that evening to announce a momentous escalation in the war: air strikes against North Vietnam.
But Johnson ordered U.S. bombers to “retaliate” for a North Vietnamese torpedo attack that never happened.
Prior to the U.S. air strikes, top officials in Washington had reason to doubt that any Aug. 4 attack by North Vietnam had occurred. Cables from the U.S. task force commander in the Tonkin Gulf, Captain John J. Herrick, referred to “freak weather effects,” “almost total darkness” and an “overeager sonarman” who “was hearing ship’s own propeller beat.”
One of the Navy pilots flying overhead that night was squadron commander James Stockdale, who gained fame later as a POW and then Ross Perot’s vice presidential candidate. “I had the best seat in the house to watch that event,” recalled Stockdale a few years ago, “and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets — there were no PT boats there…. There was nothing there but black water and American fire power.”
In 1965, Lyndon Johnson commented: “For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there.”
But Johnson’s deceitful speech of Aug. 4, 1964, won accolades from editorial writers. The president, proclaimed the New York Times, “went to the American people last night with the somber facts.” The Los Angeles Times urged Americans to “face the fact that the Communists, by their attack on American vessels in international waters, have themselves escalated the hostilities.”
An exhaustive new book, The War Within: America’s Battle Over Vietnam, begins with a dramatic account of the Tonkin Gulf incidents. In an interview, author Tom Wells told us that American media “described the air strikes that Johnson launched in response as merely `tit for tat’ — when in reality they reflected plans the administration had already drawn up for gradually increasing its overt military pressure against the North.”
Why such inaccurate news coverage? Wells points to the media’s “almost exclusive reliance on U.S. government officials as sources of information” — as well as “reluctance to question official pronouncements on ‘national security issues.’”
Daniel Hallin’s classic book The “Uncensored War” observes that journalists had “a great deal of information available which contradicted the official account [of Tonkin Gulf events]; it simply wasn’t used. The day before the first incident, Hanoi had protested the attacks on its territory by Laotian aircraft and South Vietnamese gunboats.”
What’s more, “It was generally known…that `covert’ operations against North Vietnam, carried out by South Vietnamese forces with U.S. support and direction, had been going on for some time.”
In the absence of independent journalism, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution — the closest thing there ever was to a declaration of war against North Vietnam — sailed through Congress on Aug. 7. (Two courageous senators, Wayne Morse of Oregon and Ernest Gruening of Alaska, provided the only “no” votes.) The resolution authorized the president “to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression.”
The rest is tragic history.
Nearly three decades later, during the Gulf War, columnist Sydney Schanberg warned journalists not to forget “our unquestioning chorus of agreeability when Lyndon Johnson bamboozled us with his fabrication of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.”
Schanberg blamed not only the press but also “the apparent amnesia of the wider American public.”
And he added: “We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth.”
Living in Canada, with its dull but relatively unslanted press, I become so angered by the contrast with the MSM in the USA. I am curious to know does Soladad O’Brian (sp?)etc write what she reads on the news or is that all written by management?
Do you think it’s possible that internal
forces play a significant role in the media’s treatment of the Bush administration, or are the external pressures (right-wing fringe groups, administration pushback, the drive for profit) more to blame?
By “internal forces”, I mean that there are a couple of mythic self-images that the media collectively like to hold of themselves — Edward R. Murrow, the brave, stirring war correspondent; Woodward/Bernestein, the intrepid, dogged reporters bucking the system and speaking truth to power.
The Iraq war allowed the MSM to play the first character — it was an ego stroke for them to be covering such Serious Matters in a Serious Way. (A cynic might say they wanted war, just like the Bushies did.)
With Katrina, they were given an opportunity to reinvent themselves as the second heroic media figure — calling out the government for its failures and misdeeds.
Agree / disagree?
ck – A few Democrats understand the media problem, but not nearly enough of them. the reason I refer to the ‘Dem establishment’ is to describe an institutional unwillingness on the part of the Democratic Party to attack the media with the same intensity as the Republicans, if at all.
I made some suggestions in a post last week:
What’s the proper course of action in response to this challenge? For the netroots, it’s to keep growing and organizing, to hammer away at those in the media who enable the sliming of 9/11 widows, to respond to such media transgressions with ferocity of wit and will, and to badger elected Democrats and progressive leaders about the media problem.
FWIW, I caught the subject of ‘liberal media bias’ on one of the talkies some months ago, and even Buchanan admitted advancing that point was one of the GREAT Republican coups. He went on to say he thought overall, the media had been pretty fair to Reps.
Wish I had made a tape!
How do we know what the truth is anymore?
With Murdock buying up more and more media outlets around the world. It used to be safe that news from Eruope and other sources were pretty safe and now I just do not know. Since current game right now is “MSU” (making shit up) how do we know?
ok, so i just came back thru time from a week in the future. i read the book and one thing that stood out for me was the detailed debunking of the swift boaters, which, if any of the networks had done as thorough a job on as peter did, we might be blogging about president kerry today.
peter, especially in light of your triangle theory of right-wing memes, do you see any hope for the future for getting truth out to the american public (on any topic) to replace the “truthiness” that is out there now?
or are we doomed to be a small section of the populous who reads blogs and gets upset stomachs?
The media boobs will suffer more blowback this year and even more in 2008, from blogtopia. There’s an inexorable shift to a two-way flow of noise, as Markos said this morning to Howard Kurtz. Modo can no longer carp and poke sticks without getting poked back. She no like that!
This is a very exciting, new state of affairs. Am I overly slap happy?
Hi Peter love your work. Lapdogs underscores the necessity for immediate responses to the “usual suspects’ that are the perpetrators of the so called ‘balanced” meme. I remember being at a Kerry speech here in Ft Lauderdale, I was near the press tent and the whole time I was listening I could see Candy Crowley downing plate after plate of the free press buffet and she didn’t pay attention to the speeches from either the mayor of Miami or the speech of the future congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Shultz(which was one of the best political speeches I have ever heard. When I watched CNN that evening I saw Crowley’s report and it had nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what occurred at that rally. How, can we counter this kind of outrageous behavior. She actually told lies about the event.
Peter, I think Vartan7 @11 has a good point. I don’t see how coverage could get much worse than it is. Bar the doors and have a real convention. Announce the results when it’s over. And don’t tell any reporter what was done behind closed doors :).
From page 17, Paul Krigman is quoted “Let’s be frank: The Bush Administration has made brilliant use of journalistic careerism. Those who wrote puff pieces about Mr. Bush and those around him have been awarded with career-boosting access.”
After the war, media “experts” will be highly qualified for accepting dollars for lapdances.
Mr. Daou, welcome and thanks for this.
One of my pet curiosities re: the cowering traditional media has to do with individual journalists in contrast to media conglomerates and their employees (hard to qualify them as the same thing). Aside from a scant handful of television and print reporters, it seems the majority caved in to Bush administration expectations (or demands, or commands) and attendant corporate mandates as though waiting, even eager, for this to happen. Why?
I realize that there may be no straightforward or even empirically-supportable answer to this, but I respect all opinions here as genuinely enlightening and well beyond the kneejerk ideology we seem to be fighting more and more these days, from the right and from entrenched Dem traditionalism. So, thanks again.
And for the conspiracy minded,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOCKINGBIRD
Just a reminder to everyone to please keep the discussion to Lapdogs and the topics contained therein as much as possible. Any off topic comments will be deleted from this thread. If you have things you’d like to discuss about other issues, please do so in the prior thread. Thanks!
jan – 32
She just reads the teleprompter. No writing stories, unless stated otherwise.
I beg to differ on Canadian Media. I detected a distinct bias, in print and television, favoring the right wing Harper over Martin and the NDP candidate. The coverage was not unlike what I saw in the US 2000 Bush vs. Gore race.
SteveNS – As I mentioned earlier in the thread, it’s difficult to determine the reasons reporters suck up to this White House. Corporate ownership, access, etc. are all part of the problem. The key is to identify and address the behavior rather than try to get at the motives.
There’s a reason for that: once you get into the interpretation game, you end up arguing subjectives and thus weaken your position.
The acquiesence in repetition of talking points, over and over, first and foremost, is what has made me give up.
Mostly unchallenged talking points. When TDS strings together clips of the same words, repeated ad infinitum, from this station, that station, this source, that source — it gives you a headache. Especially the unchallenged reptition of facts known to be incorrect or that are obviously being parsed.
I don’t care if it is laziness, connections, partisanship, or misplaced ethics, it is just such bad journalism. And there are no consequenes. Russert knew Cheney lied about meeting Edwards, and sat quiet. People parrot Rumsfeld’s “they are all the worst of the worst, captured on the battlefield” quotes for GITMO all the time, even when evidence out shows that is pretty much insupportable.
And because they don’t bother for substance in their inteveiws and reports, they have discovereed you don’t have to bother to have substantive guests or sources. Or substantive interviewers.
It’s even more frustrating, I am sure, for the journalists who are out there trying to get important stories put together and out and getting caught in the crossfire of criticism from all everyone, left and right, and who now have the lovely prospects of their sources losing their jobs and possibly facing criminal charges and A.General Gonzales declaring the journalists themselves as enemies to put in jail for daring to write stories that have been classified to cover for illegal, immoral and embarassing admin actions.
Our mistake may be to expect a fair and balanced press. It is no longer their job to inform the public, but rather add to the bottom line. Right now conservatives have the cash to buy distribution of their talking points (pressure on editors, etc.). It’s always about the money.
And I loved Karl’s latest, “The Internet for the Left of the Democratic Party has served as a way to mobilize hate and anger — hate and anger, first and foremost, at this President and Conservatives, but then also at people within their own party whom they consider to be less than completely loyal to this very narrow, very out-of-the-mainstream, very far Left-wing ideology that they tend to represent.”
Up is down. Black is white.
Following up on my answer to mommybrain and SteveNS about the reasons reporters brown-nose so much, what makes Lapdogs such a great book is that Boehlert sticks to the behavior and not the motives. His book is a powerful indictment of the media precisely because he tells you what the media does, not why they do it.
Hmmm. I see something rather unusual up on Raw Story just now: a Fox anchor asking an FBI guy, “Does the American government fake terrorist documents?”
Even without follow-up, it’s notable that one of Rupert’s minions would plant such a seed . . .
Of course “we/they” do, and even though it has been illegal, probably since the Church commission, our intelligence agencies have paid operatives at every major news agency, and some minor ones of critical strategic importance, in this country and around the world.
Peter — I don’t know if you caught a lot of this in terms of discussion from media types at YearlyKos or not, but I got the feeling that there was an enormous amount of animosity at being called on the behavior. Not necessarily because it didn’t apply to some of them in all honesty, but because they were pissed at being publicly called on it. I wondered if you had to deal with some of that with your work with Media Matters now as well? I’m sure Eric’s relationship with some people has become very rocky as a result of this book.
I’m with Katymine. I don’t know what to believe anymore. I find this an infuriating state of affairs.
What ever happened to anti-trust rules? Will a Democratic administration be able to de-ball some of the multi-national news organizations such as Murdoch’s?
Franco – good point about Crowley and here’s a great anecdote about her courtesy of Paul Waldman: http://daoureport.salon.com/sy…..a0012aedcc
And I agree when you say, “Lapdogs underscores the necessity for immediate responses to the “usual suspects” that are the perpetrators of the so called ‘balanced’ meme.
Concur, ebv.
The far left in this country could meet in a phone booth, with room to spare.
Karl is redefining progressives to suit his purpose and keep the librul bogeyman alive.
The fact is, progressive philosophy tracks the Founders more ‘originally’ than the neo-authoritarianism served up by Republicans.
bumblebums in 38 sez:
the media boobs will suffer more blowback this year and even more in 2008, from blogtopia. there’s an inexorable shift to a two-way flow of noise, as markos said this morning to howard kurtz…this is a very exciting, new state of affairs. am i overly slap happy?
no, but you did use the correct term, “blogtopia,” which yes! i coined!
also, in my comment #37, i meant to attribute the swift boat debunking to eric, author of the book, not peter, moderator of this discussion.
ok i’ve got to get back to one week from now in the future. toodles! and sell your mircrosoft stock!
Peter- ck – A few Democrats understand the media problem, but not nearly enough of them. the reason I refer to the ‘Dem establishment’ is to describe an institutional unwillingness on the part of the Democratic Party to attack the media with the same intensity as the Republicans, if at all.
This is a problem, as Barbara O’Brien has suggested in a guest post at Glenn Greenwald’s blog, and points to this post by Robert Parry at Consortium News, who could use some help, btw, if any of you are so able and inclined to offer.
Peter, why have the watchdogs become lapdogs? What is this phenomenon at bottom? I ask on the assumption that knowing the root cause makes the problem easier to address.
Peter Daou: “SteveNS – As I mentioned earlier in the thread, it’s difficult to determine the reasons reporters suck up to this White House. Corporate ownership, access, etc. are all part of the problem. The key is to identify and address the behavior rather than try to get at the motives.
There’s a reason for that: once you get into the interpretation game, you end up arguing subjectives and thus weaken your position.”
Walking our dogs this morning, a friend and I discussed why the Dems don’t return to one of the messages that worked well for Clinton: Are you better off now than you were 8 (substitute 6) years ago?
Peter — Do you think this could sway the journalists?
I’m taking #45 and #48 as replies that answer my own query (clinical curiosity re: lapdog motivation), and yeah, Boehlert does admirably avoid interpretation.
I’m wondering, though, as we’re frequently reminded of neocon dominance of “the message” and their own tendencies to project all sorts of theories (file under “crackpot”) as to Dem/liberal motivations – with seeming effectiveness, sad to say – will pure behavioral observation and reportage of traditional media cowardice sink in, in this age of ad hominem shill? I’m thinking we, the people, may actually be inured at this point, and any approach seems justifiable moving toward change.
All three cable news stations seem to be repeating the same talking points: Bush is having a good week, he’s getting a big bounce in the polls, blah blah blah…
Remember right after the ‘04 election: “Dems in Disarray” is what everyone said for a month.
Who feeds them these lines?
Christy – I didn’t spend much time with the establishment media folks at YKos, but yes, there’s a lot of anger at being called out.
But, hey, that’s not unexpected. Everybody thinks they’re right and that their critics are wrong. ;)
Peter, I see your point about addressing the fact of misinformation, getting it down in black and white (!). I also think that finding some why’s would give us an opening to stick our own lever in there and pry away.
I know a teenager who was hostile and combative with all the other kids in his small school. No one ever asked him why. Turns out his parents had just gotten divorced and his beloved father said he wanted nothing more to do with his children (yes, mom actually told him that, tsk). Once this was revealed and he was able to talk about it, his behavior dramatically changed.
Why’s do matter, sometimes.
The other Dem problem is that the media overly uses those who suit the pattern. When they do have a Murtha or a Feingold on – they eat eveyone’s lunch.
The key is to identify and address the behavior rather than try to get at the motives.
Excellent point, Peter — we blog denizens tend to be analytical types, and the counter attack if often deferred in favor of venting about the latest right wing outrage.
Several years ago, I thought we should be organizing a Virtual-War-Room, to coordinate and develop talking points to counter the right wing lies.
You seem very well attuned to these issues — is this a project you’d be interested in?
One of the weaknesses of the lefty blogosphere is the cacophony of opinions and story lines; in many ways, we are our own worst enemy. Not that we should become like Stepford right wing blogs; but our team could certainly use a fire control resource center website.
Peter thanks…….. WOW! great point by Waldman. I must get that book.
I have yet to hear the words “they lied” in the MSM– misled, mistaken, cherry picked, etc. I have heard, but not the very plain, very real truth.
Similarly, when a pundit or reporter is found out to have lied– silence.
ck: that’s what I was asking about in #6. We need a virtual place to coordinate our message in response to their attacks. LTE’s, op-eds, all appearing simultaneously.
I haven’t read Lapdogs yet–came home from Yearly Kos with five more books to read–but I believe the following is on topic. I have heard, at Yearly Kos and elsewhere, about how the Republicans coordinate their talking points. The RNC, the White House, the Senate and House majority leaders’ offices, the think tanks, the right wing talk radio show hosts, the Official Republican Party Spokespeople like Ann Coulter–all receive their daily marching orders, and reinforce each other’s message. Where are the progressive Democrats’ talking points? How do we get them, so we can use them on letters to the editor, blogs, communications with our members of Congress, water cooler conversations? Do Democrats have such a capabilty?
Christy,
Every element now in power – corporations, media, government – resist accountability, and consider questioning to be disloyal and subversive.
I saw the transformation in my 25 years in the corporate world. In the beginning, if you had your facts together, you could question decisions. I saw a few changed as a result.
At the end, mere questioning, no matter how well documented, and how much in the interests of the company it was, landed you in a shitstorm.
These guys want absolute authority. They are too stupid and unskilled to compete on a level playing field, but the do have the cunning and ruthlessness to prevail, left unchecked.
The Founders knew this when they separated power. The neo-authoritarians know it, and that’s why they’re pissing on the Constitution.
After typing my 3:09 I see that it relates closely to ck’s 3:06. What can we do about this issue?
Peter D. @ 15 — Gore and Kerry both suffered the effects of negative storylines peddled by the media: Kerry=elitist flip-flopper, Gore=wooden fabricator.
One of the reasons the GOP narratives have become so effective is that they’ve been worked on for so long. Just in my conscious lifetime, I can recall “flip-flopper” and “waffler” being used against Jimmy Carter in 1976.
And as the cover of Before the Storm shows, the GOP pol as rugged, straight-talking cowboy dates back at least to Goldwater.
The purpose (as I’m sure Republicans know full well) is to override the issues of the day — and even rational thought, if possible — with the message of “We’re authentic, and the other guys aren’t.”
So although creating the two-way noise machine is essential (and kudos to Peter, Eric Boehlert, and FDL for their roles in that), I think the most important job for Democratic politicians isn’t just to join in the complaining — it’s to understand and express their beliefs in a consistent, thematic way that lets us reclaim our authenticity. That will give the storyline-hungry media a new narrative to buy into.
I’ve taken a couple of stabs at this, but my efforts sadly haven’t caught fire yet.
look at what I said in comment #60, and try telling me there’s not some coordinated effort between fox, msnbc, and cnn.
and all these block outs: Stephen Colbert at the White House Correspondents Dinner, Downing Street Memo, 2004 Election Irregularities.
They’ve also up-played Zarqawi’s death and down-played the 3 Gitmo “suicides”
Do any of you think this is a coordinated conspiracy between the 3 cable news channels?
ck at 64 — that’s one of the areas that I find Media Matters to be invaluable in — they consistently document spin versus fact versus exaggeration. For bloggers, having Media Matters as a resource on the left has made quite a bit of difference. As for coming up with a Democratic equivalent to the Wingnut Wurlitzer, I think everyone’s given that some thought at one point or another, but a solution with a large, entrenched group on the other side is difficult. Perhaps Peter has some better thoughts on that than I do. (Jane, I know, has given this a lot of thought and will likely talk about that coming up at some point when she has an opportunity.)
What StevenNS said sort of echoes my thinking, except my imagination is a bit more detailed. When I think about the lead-up to the war, I think of somebody like Dan Bartlett in a room with a bunch of journalists and he mentions that “if” a war comes they (Bushies) will be arranging to EMBED journalists with the military. And like Homer Simpson with a donut, that was it. It was irresistable. Potentially career-making. A NEW thing. So what if we have to kiss Karl Rove’s ass and Bush’s ring to get a “mmm… embedded…” position? So what if there’s really no reason to have a war? We want to be “mmm… embedded…” – so we have to have a war!
Whoever thought it up is fucking brilliant, and probably should be put in solitary confinement for the rest of his life, if not worse.
BTW – hubby is reading the book now; so far all the exposure I’ve to it is when he’s read to me a few choice bits. We thank Salon (who gave it to us as a premium when we re-upped), and (of course) you, Eric!
My earliese recollection of this behavior was under Carter: the attack of the killer bunny on the golf course. It sounded really stupid and trumped up at the time. Then there was the Muskie moment, and the Dukakis in the tank moment. The adulation for Reagan was absurd. Clearin’ brush, choppin’ wood, my ass.
And we should not forget the role that ‘the Horse’ played in this discourse; Mediawhoresonline was an overwhelming site.
PD@18: . . . one of the things i try to do is to avoid the urge to analyze the cause of the media’s poor behavior and to stay focused on the reporting itself. Misinformation is misinformation; false narratives are false narratives; the effects are bad no matter what the reason.
This is the essential point to return to again and again.
jmorris724 asks, “Do any of you think this is a coordinated conspiracy between the 3 cable news channels?”
Hard to imagine that three furiously-competing corporations would purposely coordinate anything to that degree, jm. More probably, it’s just the nexus of Big Money and Big Power they’re all trying to crowd onto that gives their scripts such an echo-chamber effect.
A bit of good news for those who desire a coordinated push-back –
At the SquareState.net party last night, I heard that a newly formed national group has hired local bloggers in Colorado and Minnesota. These states were chosen because in Colorado, the Dems are coming back; in Minnesota, the right wing is growing like a fungus.
If the best of the best of the national bloggers are interested, this group might be willing to fund the VWR.
We can hope, anyway . . .
Remember the Maine! an accidental explosion in a US ship in Havana got played by the US press into a full war with Spain (US deaths in Iraq just recently supassed the 2446 Americans killed in 1898)
Hey Peter, Christy and all. I’ve had some trouble loading my comment, but I wanted to drop by and tell everyone that if you haven’t bought Eric’s book you simply must.
Eric and I traded emails last week when I did my Michelle Malkin smackdown over her latest round of lies, which included her using the troops to make progressives look bad at Take Back America. I posted on Eric’s book afterwards too, because it’s just so important. He’s got a whole chapter on Malkin and the misinformation slanderers that’s not to be missed.
I want to offer just one little section of it, which is what skippy referenced, too. It deals with what Malkin did to John Kerry, which comes from Lapdogs. It says everything.
I was a member of the MSM for almost 20 years–seven as an investigative reporter and 13 as a managing editor. After leaving the profession, I have been watching from the sidelines for the past 11 years.
For me, the moment of truth came when the MSM jumped on the Dean scream and pounded it to death and sank the candidacy of a perfectly decent man who seemed capable of maturing into a true leader on the national stage. It was pack journalism at its worst and it, with some notable exceptions, continues to this day. Witness the “things have turned in Iraq” reporting of the past week. And as someone who is now teaching journalism, I can tell you that there is little interest at the undergraduate level in learning the tenets of objectivity and investigation. At best, they hope to be the next Katie Couric or Anderson Cooper. To say I despair in a gross understatement….Mr. Daou, where can you find those desperately needed rays of hope?
former MSM journalist, thank you for surfacing here. From your vantage point, what/how/when did the rot set in?
Christy and others raise a point about coordination – does the right do it and should we… jmorris724 suggests that the cable news nets appear to be operating from the same playbook.
One thought that comes to mind is that apart from the actual media manipulation that takes place on the right, there’s often collective behavior that is unconsciouss. It’s the media’s herd instinct: Dems are weak, Republicans are strong, Dems are muddled, Republicans are clear — with so many establishment journalists working within those frames, you tend to end up with one-dimensional coverage.
The mainstream media becoming a captive tool of the right wing in America is possibly the most serious political problem of the last 50 years. Add to that the refined technologies of surveillance and persuasion and we’re facing a situation where elections can no longer be free or fair. The sooner we realize the seriousness of this situation and stop trying to shame people like Chris Matthews or Wolf Blitzer into becoming more honest purveyors of news, the better. It’s just not going to work. This is not a GOP-Democrat issue any longer, it’s one of a free America vs. a totalitarian dystopia.
Not willing to leave anything to chance, the fascistic elements of our ruling class have not only co-opted the sources of information upon which citizens will base their votes, they have also corrupted the voting process itself (Diebold) and what those votes represent (redistricting and other rules-changes). This means that if we keep thinking we’re ever going to have a free and decent America again by electing the right candidates, and put all of our energies into pooling our time and treasure to get these people elected, we’re fucked, and we’re going to stay fucked.
We’re well past the point where working through “the system” is going to prevent our nation from becoming a locked-down state where a tiny percentage of rich, powerful people make decisions for a vast community of poor workers, living just above sustenance-level, earning just enough to keep the consumer engine running to put profits in the pockets of a very few.
We have past the point where a reasoned article in an op-ed column or a powerfully-written blog (I think of Greenwald and this place) will make a real difference beyond the self-focused dreams of increasingly marginalized “liberals”.
We’ve entered a place now where those of us who are willing to fight again for principles our founders won so hard, must again decide if freedom is something worth fighting and dying for. Not around the world in the Middle East, but right here in Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Phoenix, Atlanta, New York, and all the places where Americans still believe in the dreams of Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, and Co.
former MSM at 81 — Not Peter, but I do find rays of hope in the journalists who do their jobs and do them well. We try to highlight those in-depth pieces or articles or television pieces when we spot them, and we try to encourage readers to bring them to our attention when we’ve missed them. I think the continued giving of carrots, along with pointing out the need for sticks can be helpful. But the “pack journalism” mentality that you speak about is so much more prevalent these days, and how to stop the “celebrity” viewpoint of the job versus the professional one, I just don’t know. (I think of it as the Paris Hilton/Britney Spear’s versus the Meryl Streep’s of reporters. *g*)
Peter, in broken triangle you write that ..”Republican persuasion tactics, media story telling & 21st century information flow seem beyond the ken fo most Democratic strategists & leaders.” How can the blogs help?
Christy at 3:16 –
Media Matters does great work in documenting the atrocities –
But what I’m looking for is a website that develops soundbite hand grenades, that gutsy Democrats can use to blow up the right wing lies before the evening news.
Even more important — developing the cred with elected Democrats and their consultants that they would actually use a VWR website.
former MSM journalist – I find hope in the emergence of the netroots as a new power base that can apply pressure when the media strays (and Lapdogs is evidence of how far they’ve strayed).
The first step in any remedy is to make an accurate diagnosis – Media Matters and bloggers have begun to do that. Armed with knowlegdge of the problem, we can begin addressing it.
ck 3:34
” But what I’m looking for is a website that develops soundbite hand grenades, that gutsy Democrats can use to blow up the right wing lies before the evening news.”
I agree. But what does VWR stand for?
Mary 47
“The acquiesence in repetition of talking points, over and over, first and foremost, is what has made me give up.”
Funny (funny-strange/ not ha-ha). That same thing gave me some hope, of sorts, that there was usable info. coming out, in spite of extraordinary efforts by Repubs spinmeisters to be secretive. That very repetition proved to me the media folk were all being fed the same material by someone. The content didn’t tell me the person, but it sure did indicate the bias and hint broadly at the intent.
The sinking feeling came later, when I began to realize no one ‘in power’ in the media seemed to care(?), or to know how to fight against the frighteningly effective use of ’sales-promotion-psychology’ to take power in our gov’t. It felt like “1984″ the novel, but for real.
[Pach: help me out here with terminology; I’m woefully deficient in psych. training, but plenty savvy enuf thru ethology to smell something THAT strong.]
I keep wondering if the limp-wristed Dem. reaction to this power-grab signals a division within their ranks over whether direct confrontation would work better or, since the Repubs own all 3 branches of gov’t now, some Dems are arguing effectively for simply letting them have enough rope to hang themselves.
Repubs like rove have apparently easily seized on the more passive Dems to convince the mainstream media to call them weak & disorganized. Heck, they might just be better poker players, but what happens to the country and the world in the meantime?!
[APOLOGIES: hope this isn’t too disorganized & OT to boot. I’m trying to juggle a rare and special poppa’s-day get-together among very special family. Yes, they know of my “secret life” lurking at FDL. Gotta-go! Thanks guys!]
jan – blogs can help by making the media problem transparent, by exposing the lies and the tricks, by documenting the transgressions, by encouraging readers to contact their reps…
And OT, sorry about misspelling ‘knowledge’ in my last reply :)
The left blogosphere has sometimes succeeded in being collectively on message, such as the Alito nomination (even though we lost) and perhaps net neutrality. How can we build a structure to do this on a more consistent basis?
I saw the weirdest show on the Travel Channel yesterday, just before The Fog of War came on. Christianne Amanpour being interviewed about journalism by Renee Zellweger (sp?). I stopped watching much TV news years ago, but I remember Amanpour as being pretty straight with us.
Some quotes (paraphrases, actually) from the show: The notion of objectivity must be refined in certain cases. You can’t afford to be balanced if the truth falls on one side or the other. You must present the truth.
If we mess with journalism, allow it to be controlled, it’s dangerous for the whole society.
She, as a journalist, feels personally responsible for the world not doing anything about Rwanda. By not paying more attention, by getting sidetracked by the things that were grabbing media attention then (OJ trial, Mandella’s election, Bosnia) they took their eyes off the ball.
She thinks they’re on the road back now from Lapdogism. (Ha)
THe leading cause of death of journalists around the world is assasination. All over the world they are being silenced.
She talks a good game, but is she practicing it?
Lotus @82: Treatment of Dean scream has precedent of coverage of Muskie crying in New Hampshire as something that got beat to death by the press.
Currently: Jameson Foster makes the point that indeed the media is the most important issue, because who controls or skews the media controls everything else.
The key to bringing down opponents on one level may be facts, but on a more base level that separates candidates from possible broader support is the tactic of ridicule.
Think of Dukakis in the tank and Bush with the Katrina guitar. Pretty sure Media Matters has pointed this out already. Snow and Bartlett got reamed for the flak jacket and helmet pics. Surely there are pictures of Bush in Iraq in a flak jacket and helmet.
Who will ask The Lapdogs where those pics are?
Netroots is only as strong as internet neutrality. Lose that, and it’s back to mimeo machines and samizdat. Maybe carrier pigeons. . . Why do I feel I’ve fallen into “Stand on Zanzibar” or “Shockwave Rider,” or maybe even “Bug Jack Barron” – especially the latter? Dystopic SF novels all. I dread opening my daily Media Matters digest.
mommybrain 3:39
I watch CNN a lot, even though it often disappoints me. I have seen very little of Amanpour in recent months, can’t remember the last time. I wonder what happened?
mommybrain at 93 — I think Christiane does a great job on in-depth reporting when she has an opportunity to do so. On shorter pieces that get edited by someone other than her, it can be difficult for her — or any journalist for that matter — to tell an entire story. But I’d put a lot of her longer, investigative pieces up against just about anyone. It may be a bias on my part, because she’s a very gutsy female journalist that I watched a lot as I was coming of age when she first started with CNN, but I especially remember some of her work in Afghanistan, and the women’s issues reporting especially was haunting.
Peter Daou at 3:29 pm —
One thought that comes to mind is that apart from the actual media manipulation that takes place on the right, there’s often collective behavior that is unconsciouss. It’s the media’s herd instinct: Dems are weak, Republicans are strong, Dems are muddled, Republicans are clear — with so many establishment journalists working within those frames, you tend to end up with one-dimensional coverage.
(an EPU’d repost from earlier today)
Last night, a party thrown by the Denver Drinking Liberally folks and the SoapBlox Colorado bloggers got me thinking about the three aspects of Political Narrative — micro, macro, and meta.
All three aspects are at work at the same time — when they line up and pull in the same direction, the effects of each become force multipliers of the others.
Example — on of the most powerful sound bites of the last thirty years was Ronald Reagan’s “Are you better off today than you were four years ago?”
Although Jimmy Carter never used the word “malaise,” it was the perfect summation of the psychological effects of the Carter Administration. When Hollywood tough guy Ronald Reagan asked his question, it captured the national mood — it captured the essence of the subliminal meta narrative.
As a subset of this meta narrative, the image of Carter and the Democrats as weak, vacillating losers was cemented in the public consciousness. It is this meta narrative that is active ingredient in Karl Rove’s Right Wing Kool Aid, and the Beltway Dems failure to understand it and construct a counter narrative antidote is the greatest impediment we face, in turning around the Democrats political fortune.
The reason why the “are you better off?” question was such a potent meta narrative was because the micro and macro narratives lined up with it. Inflation, the loss in Vietnam, and the Iranian Hostage Crisis all fed the storyline.
But failing to understand and counteract the after effects is the greatest failing of the DC Dems.
I’d still find the why question to be worth answering over time.
Lapdogs is a major step in the zero-to-one transition from the mainstream default assumption of “liberal media bias” to documented reality that the bias runs strongly the other way. Nothing much can happen until there’s some consensus around that point.
Intelligent intervention, though, requires some understanding of why the M$M system is doing what it does. We don’t really have the ability, IMO, to be very patient over this situation. And we don’t have the resources to go head-to-head on all media fronts and expect to win.
Some investigation of editorial decision-making still looks to me to be an important next step to get the current landscape altered.
Here’s a place that was mentioned at one of the media panels at YKos.
http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad.com/
aka http://www.frameshopisopen.com
Peter (so sorry for misspelling your name in first comment. I am a Taoist, so it came natural), what do you know about jeffrey feldman?
mommybrain 92, I hardly ever see Amanpour these days, so I’m not really equipped to judge whether she’s playing a good game today. She certainly did in her journo-prime (or had me thoroughly convinced).
As I said upstream, CBS’s Lara Logan is out-Amanpouring prime Amanpour nowadays, while Christiane herself — now with a small child to raise — is understandably less the physical-risk-taker than she was in the early 90’s.
I still give her vast props, though.
Oooo, I do hope former MSM journo is just off typing answers and hasn’t left the building . . .
The truth from Pope Ratzo @ 88:
We’re in a really nasty predicament. No doubt.
Air America and the blogosphere seem like the last hope for America and the civilized world.
Is it really too late to buy our own TV networks and reach into all the regional markets?
Start pumping out culture, intelligence and informed comment?
I know, too late for the 2006 election.
Anyone know Ted Turner?
Pope Ratzo @ 84, I mean.
neurophius at 68, this is all I know of as to Dem. talking points.
http://www.americanprogressact…..p;b=700005
Today it’s all about John Bolton.
al-Scooter @ 98
I’m with you. Countering the myth of leftwing bias means understanding why the myth is there, what sustains it, etc. Simply documenting the lapdoggishness of the media is a fine first step, but to get past it means to understand it.
That means knowing why.
Pack mentality is part of it. “Our competition is covering X, so we’d better cover it too – and harder.” Can you say Monica?
How do you deal with a pack? Cut out the strays and the ill ones . . . work the lead dog in a new direction . . . bring to the fore a bigger dog to challenge the leader . . .
But there are other parts, for which other solutions are required. Documenting the atrocities, as Atrios puts it, may be a necessary condition for dealing with this, but it is hardly sufficient.
Service Desk — I just got a “comments are closed” notice on the previous thread. True?
I have to say, the PDF of the State Department memo that made it into the WaPo today was a great bit — it’s too bad they buried it in a tiny little link in a story that was well off the front page. Thank goodness Laura Rzen spotted it. That’s one of the ways that I think blogs have a way of magnifying the story. The same goes for the reporting that the Boston Globe has been doing on the signing statements issue — it has gotten little to no traction in corporate media, but blogs have been all over it and have been forcing the issue to the fore above the heads of other media. (And may I say, the BG reporter who has been working those stories is doing an awesome job with them — real on the ground, digging in reporting. More please!)
Is he saying what I think he’s saying? Rebolu*ion?
lotus at 107 — comments should not be closed on the prior thread. It may be a glitch — I’ll check. (They are closed out on the Rose Colored Glasses thread, simply because I couldn’t monitor there and here and four other threads at once.)
Do you think the lap dogs will cover Michael Berg’s Fathers’s Day Reflections:
http://www.opednews.com/articl…..eflect.htm
Nah………
Bless your heart and your no-doubt-spinning head, our Christy.
Could someone close the I-tag in the post?
(Am I the first to notice?)
I was lurking yesterday, and by the way lurking makes me feel so cheap and dirty, makes me feel, Republican. I have just finished “The Republican Noise Machine” by David Brock and have started “Lapdogs” by Eric Boehlert. They are great companion pieces. One for the history of this mess and the other for current mess we are in today.
An utterly compliant media is still not enough for this totalitarian junta. I find it extremely disturbing that Bushco is simply shutting down more and more aspects of information concerning the Iraq occupation, as well as its actions in the sham WOT generally (Gitmo, contracting, etc.)
Welcome, azapache, you reader, you.
fairsfair — where is the i tag? It shows up on a MAC differently than a PC. And if you can tell me where things seem to go haywire, I can close the tag.
Azapache…A MUST read…Wolcott’s Attack Poodles…..
Example of the Micro, Macro, and Meta narratives –
Micro Narrative: I can’t find a good job, and can barely pay the rent.
Macro Narrative: the economy sucks for working Americans, with more and more good paying jobs being shipped overseas.
Meta Narrative: politicians don’t give a damn about working Americans; both parties are the same, sucking up to rich folk.
Which leads back to the Micro Narrative: What difference does it make? Why should I vote?
goodie! now I can check back from time to time;->
terrific discussion
Margot 3:58 p.m.
Thanks for the link to the American Progress Action site. I wonder how their talking points are developed, and whether they are coordinated with the DNC and Democratic congressional leaders. I wonder how many people know about them.
I am going to go lurk now and let people who have actually read Lapdogs talk.
JimS at 24-the lapdog press is alive and well, and will be for some time to come. For far too long there was no downside to steno reporting. That’s why this book, and Media Matters, the Downing Street Memo story being revived by a determined internet crew and the blog pushback on traditional media bias is so important. Things will continue this way until it hurts more than it helps the traditional media outlets.
I titled my review on Lapdogs “A Brush with Post Traumatic Press Disorder” because that’s what it felt like to read it all laid out again having lived through the events described.
Taking on the media mononarrative is not going to be easy. But it clearly is an absolute necessity. And, like the progressive political insurgency I think it’s best seeded at the local levels. Our local traditional media are likely to be much more responsive to local pressure points. Which means I have to start subscribing to my local rag again-though I’ll probably use http://www.newsstand.com instead of dealing with the recycling.
And, frankly, I don’t so much care why the bias is playing out the way it is. Whether it’s laziness, or political pressure, or careerism doesn’t change the product, which reeks. One of the strengths of Eric’s writing in Lapdogs is that he simply lays out the facts, the coverage in their own words in sequence. It’s, dare I say, an act of journalism honoring the ethical standards of the profession in the observance instead of the breach.
This is my first time at a Firdog Book Salon, and am very impressed with all the great discussion.
Interesting to note that the MSM has been referring to “missing servicemen” in Iraq all day, and that Huffington Post is referring to them as “kidnapped”.
It is so hard to getthe complete story on television and the newspapers. I read Lapdogs before Yearly Kos, and honestly feel that the book has elped me understand more about what has trandipired in the past, and to understand even more that it is still going on.
I am not seeing any problem myself re: italics on my PC, either in post or comments.
I am curious how a war record like Kerry’s that was demonstrably true and with swift boat critics whose every utterance was found to be false (with documentary evidence from witnesses who were there) became a he and she said issue that could be debated.
The only thing worse is when I hear idiots on “intelligent design” with a theory that the earth is 10,000 to 20,000 years old given the same respect as evolutionary theory. One thinks the Tobacco Institute was just 20 to 30 years too soon with its claim that the dangers of smoking have not been established.
Today such stupid claims would have been given a veneer of respectability.
Petestern — welcome, and yes, the framing issue is a huge part of the problem. ANd the question of how to deal with that is a really difficult one. I’m so grateful to Eric for putting all of this together for all of us in a big, coherent whole. It does bring things into much sharper focus, doesn’t it?
lotus 116
Between working, blogging, reading and sleeping, yeah. I am working on reading (for enterainment) “Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix”.
Peter D. @ 83 — It’s the media’s herd instinct: Dems are weak, Republicans are strong, Dems are muddled, Republicans are clear %u2014 with so many establishment journalists working within those frames, you tend to end up with one-dimensional coverage.
ck @ 98 — It is this meta narrative that is active ingredient in Karl Rove’s Right Wing Kool Aid, and the Beltway Dems failure to understand it and construct a counter narrative antidote is the greatest impediment we face, in turning around the Democrats political fortune.
This is exactly what I was trying to say @ 71. I’m all for tying the stick of humiliation (for being cocktail weenie-addicted lapdogs) to the backs of the top-down media, but let’s attach the carrot of a new narrative to it.
Justintime,
No, it’s not too late for us to buy TV stations, but unless we own the cables and satellites, it won’t do us much good. Do you think it’s coincidental that this “Net Neutrality” issue comes up now? The Internet is one of the last few loopholes left in the realm of mass media. Those who say it’s not important are not realizing that once the Internet becomes completely owned by the same corporate interests that are financing the rise of the Right Wing in America, than the only thing left to us will be passing out mimeographs on street corners.
As an “internet professional” I see every day where communications and surveillance technology is taking us (HAS taken us) and it’s to a place where the will of “the People” just doesn’t matter.
I don’t know what it’s been about the past year that’s radicalized me to the point where I believe general strikes, civil disobedience on a mass scale and demonstrations of a type not seen in this country very often are the only hope for America. I worked so hard, locally here in Chicago, for Gore in 2000 and Kerry and Obama subsequently. I really thought we were just thisclose to winning. Maybe it was seeing the many “squeakers” in which the more progressive, Dem candidates lost to much less appealing conservatives despite exit polls’ results, or the two Supreme Court judges who have recently been seated (and whom tossed out the 4th amendment recently). Maybe it was the way Cindy Sheehan was turned into a symbol of anti-Americanism by the media, or the steady stream of far-Right Republicans and further-Right Democrats that appear Sunday morning after Sunday morning. Or maybe it was just the way the studio audience responded to the use of “Applause” signs when Ann Coulter appeared on Jay Leno’s show, but I no longer have a doubt that come November, the Republicans will still control Congress and that in ‘08 there will be either a horrible Republican or a horrible Hillary in the White House, and it just doesn’t matter who votes for who.
I enjoy Media Matters and other progressive blogs, but I really want to see the blog that starts calling for boycotts, general strikes, mass demonstrations, civil disobedience on a large scale, and explains why they are our only hope.
Peter, thanks for being here.
I firmly believe that part of the problem is that the Democrats have failed to use language in a way that takes advantage of the inherent weakness of our national media. I am absolutely in agreement with anyone who thinks we need to fix the problems with the traditional media. But there will always be areas, some of which are a factor of market forces and technology, which can be exploited by politicians and parties.
My question is: Do you see, on the horizon, anybody in the Democratic establishment with a propensity for crafting messages effectively? Is there anybody with a chance of gaining support in the party?
It doesn’t have to be someone dishonest like Rove. But it seems clear to me that there is nobody on the left who is capable of both crafting effective messages and getting the party to consistently deliver them.
So where the bloody heck are the millionaire Liberals that can fund new Media outlets for the Left? When Knight-Ridder got sold, some of the papers got sold off to Rightwingers. Why was that allowed to happen? How sad is it that Air America Radio is the only accesible-to-the public Media oulet for the Left?
Christy… Thanks for the welcome. Helping us to understand how ideas are framed by politicians as well as the media is what makes Lapdogs one of the most important books to come out in the past several months. I believe it could be read by anyone except a real die hard ditto head. I recommend it to all I know right along with Crashing the Gate.
diogenes @#69
“At the end, mere questioning, no matter how well documented, and how much in the interests of the company it was, landed you in a shitstorm.
These guys want absolute authority. They are too stupid and unskilled to compete on a level playing field, but the do have the cunning and ruthlessness to prevail, left unchecked.”
Yes, this is my experience as well and I almost didn’t make the transition to keep my job. It didn’t do me a bit of good to try to understand why this had happened other than the desire for unchecked authority.
To me it seems a natural form corruption by power to erode freedoms and take control. It has always been so. All we can do is fight back – recognize what is happening, as Boehlert and others have so eloquently, so throughly done and keep pushing the word out there.
So many people just can’t believe this is happening, won’t believe it, won’t believe their own senses. It took me a long time to understand how the war was being foisted upon us. I was suspicious,especially since I’d been through the reluctance of the press and the people to believe the lies of Vietnam, Watergate, pollution, etc. Perhaps it was the numb shock of 9/11, I couldn’t believe in such a huge lie being published on page one and pushed by the “liberal” press.
Deb T
The great ideological glue is the myth of American goodwill.
This country was founded on genocide and built on slavery. We are an evil people and sooner we face that simple fact the better.
We won’t of course. We never will.
Has anyone considered blackmail being at work here? I know the press has become incredibly lazy and fascinated with themselves,but I really sometimes wonder if that rovian machine hasn’t been digging up serious dirt on some people to keep them in line. I know,it’s tin foily of me,but it’s something I’ve wondered about over the last few years.
I remember awhile back Bill Moyers talked about the MSM not liking some story he did about how the auto industry leaving poverty and devastation in it’s wake(when a factory closes in a small town and employed most of the people)by actually going to the place and interviewing people who were out of work,with not alot of hope of finding new jobs unless they left the place they’d lived all their lives.For some reason,that personal take on the story was dismissed and ridiculed as irrelevant.A “puff piece”,or “human interest story”.I guess that goes back to the green tea story,the MSM seems to have developed the same contempt for Americans as the GOP has.
mommybrain @ 3:39 pm (#93) – Can’t speak about her recent work, but I remember Amanpour for her reporting while she was in Bosnia. It was clear she was in the middle of it all, and spoke the truth as she knew it. I can’t imagine she’s cowed by the people who run the news now, but as others have mentioned, she’s not the ultimate authority on which parts of her work appear on the air.
Swopa at 4:11 pm –
Absolutely correct — the media needs to have counter narrative soundbites to push back against the rightwing agitprop.
Unfortunately, a bunch of angry lefty dirty hippy bloggers don’t have the cred to deliver the counter narrative carrots. Those need to be picked up name Democrats, who can deliver the short sharp soundbites to the evening news.
That’s why we need a VWR website, to aggregate the soundbites, talking points, and counter narratives.
There is not doubt the press is afraid…I heard Rich Wolfe say on C-Span, that when he was called by a WH aide to meet at a restaurant to talk, his first thought was and I quote…”Am I in trouble for something I wrote”…I am sure he didn’t realize he was saying this , but WAS HE IN TROUBLE????…this is how they think…what does he care what the WH thinks of his writing?
ck, did you ever translate “VWR” for us? If so, I missed it (and I need it).
An Angry Old Broad says
June 18th, 2006 at 4:18 pm
You’re not the only one who wonders about that.
An Angry Old Broad #136
Does the NSA Spying have anything to do with the Media Rollover?
What do they know about whom?
Who could they ruin?
My real question now is… What can we do… is there a 1, 2, 3 steps to get organized and networked to fight back?
David E @ 134,
No more evil than good, I’d suppose. But you’re right that long before the “War on Terror” we had “Manifest Destiny.” I think it’s the refusal to look at that which shames us (denial) that leads to the unexamined continuation of the behavior. So in your model, you’ve got the media as the enabler/empowerer of our self-justifications and denial, rather than the media as our moral watchdogs. That’s about right, I’d say.
lotus –
VWR = Virtual War Room
clarification…they met at the restaurant so he could ask Wolfe IF he wanted to go with the chimp to Iraq…
I have been following the decline of the MSM since their treatment of Al Gore during the 2000 election and the Florida recount debacle in 2000. I have lost complete faith in the MSM that was so triumphant in outing Nixon. It scares me to think where we would be without the internet for checks and balances.
Tom @ 4:09 pm (#125) – I’ve often thought of this attitude as “intellectual relativism”, as if any idea, no matter how preposterous, is valid if enough people want it to be true. It’s not strictly a right-wing phenomenon, but thanks to their dominance in TV news and elsewhere it may appear that it is.
Thanks, ck.
C.S. 131
It is not liberal millionaires that are at fault here. It is everyone that looked the other way. The take over of the press did not happen overnight, it was a thirty to forty year assault. This would be classic CIA if it had not happened here in the USA.
Lapdogs is a quick read, the message lingers and right now it’s going around our neighborhood.
Boehlert convinced me of the malevolent intelligence behind media distortion of reality.
I had only very strong suspicions before.
And he does it without trying to mind read the media, as Peter D says.
c.s. @ 131
Perhaps because for many of them, their money is more important than their ideas.
No matter how much money you have, the machine Bush is constructing can take it away from you.
A little Justice Department investigation, some photos of a moment you’re not so proud of, a little extra weight for your company snuck into a congressional omni-bill, etc.
Some will choose to keep a low profile.
azapache 148, that’s why I’m disappointed not to have former MSM journo’s response to my question(s) at 82 above . . .
MediaMatter.org has the perfect name for a site. Because media does matter. The media everyone knows where fox stands and even CNN leans to the right. We won’t stand for it any more. We already know liberal news anchor Keith Olbermann is making waves (which is why he keeps getting attacked by right-wingers). Do your part and help make MSNBC a medium for Democrats. Go to my website Click Here to go to visit my website and help make a difference. Because Media Matters!!!
jmorris at 152 — whoa, MSNBC being GE, so you might want to curb your enthusiasm (or hopes) . . .
Peter –
A question about the book as it has been covered in the media.
When Bernard Goldberg released “Bias” in 2002, he was all over the media. Eric releases “Lapdogs”, and doesn’t seem to be getting nearly as much attention (meanwhile, Ann Coulter shows up on Leno….)
Why is the media so masochistic when it comes to right-wing critiques of its work, but shuts out criticism from “the left”?
Tom 125
A coordinated attack effort by both The Swift Boat Vets for Truth and the MSM running concurrently with a defense of the regular, likeable Bush required a strong counter attack that did not come.
Kerry, the ivy league gentleman (MSM said fancy pants speaker of French, who looks French didn’t want to slop his Philly Cheese steak with the wrong kind of fancy cheese he’d ordered on his fancy shirt), let his record and Bush’s stand as they were. Maybe he and his handlers thought that the facts and the truth were on his side. Kerry did not defend himself soon enough or loudly enough and he did not call out (attack) the draft dodging Bush. The right wing noise machine was clamoring for the release of his Military Record. (They speculated that Kerry had shot an unarmed Viet Namese boy in the back, and had not saved any of his fellow soldiers, but had abandoned them; he joined the military and asked to go to Nam in order to pad his resume.)
Kerry’s “records” were not “released” until after the election when it was too late. Then, there was nothing amiss in his military record. Why didn’t Kerry “release” his “Military record” before the election?
azapache at 4:23 pm –
Who said it isn’t the CIA?
Actually, I think the Right Wing Billionaire take over of the media, and the right wing screeching head intimidation of the media, are the result of cross pollination between the CIA covert ops and the right wingers they employed.
But the Bush family and Allen Dulles go all the way back to funding Hitler and the Wehrmacht, and smuggling Gestapo agents out of Europe after the war and installing them in the CIA. You’ll note that the Bushies are the ONLY political dynasty that is third rail untouchable by the MSM. Coincidence? I think not . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOCKINGBIRD
Dover B. @ 130 – I’m not sure the first order of business is to find Dems who can craft better messages. Messages translated through the prism of the current media filter don’t make it to the public in the form they were intended. The overarching challenge is to convince the Dem establishment to heed the work of Media Matters, Eric Boehlert, bloggers, etc.
“I think it’s the refusal to look at that which shames us (denial) that leads to the unexamined continuation of the behavior.”
Simone, we’re like a battered housewife married to a psychopath. “Maybe he’ll change if I just sit here quietly,” we keep sayig to ourselves over and over again.
Well we’ve seen how well that works, haven’t we?
Peter Daou # 157
That is why Lapdogs would be a great next book in our “Educate our Democratic Elected officals” process. After follow up on the Crashing The Gate “did they read it”, move on to Lapdogs.
I am willing to support that effort. Anyone else?
ck (156) sounds like a Kevin Phillips reader. I tried so hard to get through American Dynasty, but I keep getting so furious I’d have to throw the book against the wall! Destroyed it before I could read it (and I’d even PAID for it).
Jesus F. Kee-reyest.
from one enjoying yet another tremendously illuminating Sunday Book Thread -
Trust me, the Founders are with Boehlert – they wouldn’t care WHY they evince bias and spin, ONLY that they correct it and get on with their duties as charged in the Constitution – transparency and accountability to the People period
Peter Daou, longtime admirer of your work, Welcome to Firedoglake, please come back often
Mr. Daou (should have given you proper respect in my first post),
I’m fully on board with what you, Boehlert and Media Matters are doing. I read it every day. But not at the exclusion of crafting effective messages. When the right is coming at us with flip-flop sandals and our candidates come back at them with complex explanations about policy, how can we win?
When “America can do better” is the best we can do, what chance do we have, regardless of the prism? The saying in computing is “garbage in, garbage out.”
KEPT getting so furious, I meant (at 160).
Will Lapdogs be available on Audible soon? If so, NOT abridged I hope.
Mommybrain at 62-with individuals, I agree, sometimes the why helps unlock the change. But we’re talking about institutions more than individuals with this problem, to my mind. Whereas talking to an individual journalist “why” might be useful, dealing with the accrued effects of large numbers of journalists peeing all over our political carpets calls, I think, for more of a carrot and stick approach without regards to why.
Angie at 66. David Sirota referred to John Stossel as “smarmy liar” on Kudlow-or rather confirmed that he’d called him that in his Amazon review.. I nearly swooned when I saw the video on Crooks and Liars. Stossel looked like he’d swallered a bug.
Swopa at 71. Well, at least Goldwater wasn’t afraid to sit a horse.
CK at 87, isn’t that sort of thing what http://rapidresponsenetwork.org/ is trying to develop?
Adie at 90: “I keep wondering if …some Dems are arguing effectively for simply letting them have enough rope to hang themselves.” If they are, I have another use for that rope, and somebody’s going to end up chafed as a result.
Republicans have had 40 years to develop the ability to take every bit of rope and hang Dems with it. Dems laying back is what caused people like my father to wonder if there was anything the bastidges WOULD fight for.
It took a long time.
It was well-planned.
It was subtle until relatively recently.
It was psyops.
It was the ……
(fill in the blank)
It ain’t over.
It will not change.
Until there is a revolution.
Or the collapse of the Empire.
I have an unconfirmed answer to a question I asked days ago about WHO came up with “Together we can do better” – Lakoff. Anyone else heard this?
If Boehlert is ignored by the media, if the media repeats the talking points that Boehlert, Alterman, the Media Matters gang, and in fact, anyone who criticizes either the mainstream press or the administration, are ‘unhinged’ ‘far left liberals,’ the critique is marginalized and dismissed before it is even heard.
While I think part of the media problem is corporate ownership, even more than that is how afraid the media is to examine how journalism has changed in the age of corporatism and to consider openly what is to be gained and lost in blind acquiesence to political and corporate power.
I want to shout a huge THANK YOU to Peter Daou for spending this time with our community today.
Much love to Peter.
Yes Peter A BIG THANKS!!
new thread — and now for something different !
You’ll note that the Bushies are the ONLY political dynasty that is third rail untouchable by the MSM.
Actually, that’s not quite true — the Bushies are untouchable when the right wing narrative is allowed to develop, instead of being nipped in the bud.
The Clinton War Room was famous for shooting down right wing narratives before they were launched — Pre-Buttals, they called them.
That’s why we need a Virtual War Room, to give the Democrats the short sharp soundbites they need to blow up the right wing lies.
Of course, if the Democrats were smart, they’d create real War Rooms that mined the blogs for suitable munitions. In fact, they are probably doing that right now — but the turnaround time is too slow for the right wing lies to be countered before they take root.
Yes, thank you so much, Peter. This discussion has been so great. For those who have not yet read Lapdogs, we’ll be discussing it again next Sunday at 5 pm ET/2 pm PT. Eric Boehlert will be joining us for that discussion, and it should be a great continuation of today’s chat.
Peter, your expertise and understanding of this area is invaluable. Thanks so much for sharing some of it with us today!
I am so discouraged
the whole nation has become southified..
growing up in the south my open mind was all I had and you could dream that other places were better …
but that is not the case today..
I know this is aboutto be EPUd, but the reason Bernie got great press exposure even while he was bashing them mercilessly about the head and shoulders is because his premise fit the mononarrative of liberal press bias.
Eric is pushing back on this and in an unemotional (unlike me, who spends a lot of time FURIOUS about the descent of the press) and more importantly, largely irrefutable manner. Why would they want to give that play?
boadicea at 4:44 pm –
I wasn’t aware of The Rapid Response Network; they are definitely thinking along the same lines — but the trick is to deliver the goods to those who can use them.
In Colorado, ProgressNow.org is doing great — but they have five staffers trying to do the work of fifteen.
http://www.progressnow.org/
Pope Ratzo:
“I really want to see the blog that starts calling for boycotts, general strikes, mass demonstrations, civil disobedience on a large scale, and explains why they are our only hope.”
Stay tuned, Pope.
Thank you, Peter Daou — YOU ROCK!!!
and don’t give up, e — things are bad, but the tide is turning . . .
Look at Murtha today on MTP for an example of how to counter the bs spewed out by the media everyday–unfortunately, since Murtha didn’t play along with Russert’s script, the conversation just kept getting bounced back to Rove’s usual lies and the GOP spin. There’s no room to move any conversation forward or even clearly state that what the GOP says is always a lie.
I think boycotting is the only answer–the media is not willing to change what they’re doing at all (except in extreme cases, like Katrina, which i and millions of others hope doesn’t happen again)–all the “comeback kid” bullshit about Bush is just the latest example.
Dan Froomkin seems to be the only journalist (and he’s only online) at major daily, or major news organization, who solidly questions the Republican’s Party’s credibility. It’s a game to the rest of them, they’re all on “the inside” and want to stay that way. Why not more questions bluntly like, “Why, after the five years of continual repetition of mistakes, mistunderstandings, faulty projections, and lies, should we believe anything anyone in the leadership of the Republican’s Party says?”
paul lukasiak #154
“meanwhile, Ann Coulter shows up on Leno . . .”
Ann Coulter is a function of celebrity in our age. She’s famous because she’s famous. What she writes is crap. Doesn’t matter. It brings notoriety and notoriety brings fame. What she says is outrageous but then it is meant to be. If she were measured or even sane, there would be none of the “come look at the bearded lady” hook that all media is looking for.
The other thing is that she gets on cable and TV because she has been on cable and TV. Her celebrity feeds her celebrity. She gets on for much the same reason Al Franken does. It’s not what they say but how they say it. Coulter may be a nazi but she is even more dedicated to the merchandizing of her celebrity. It’s not like she could make it on either looks or intelligence.
Thank you, Peter, and I’d like to add that visiting the Daou Report is one of my most deeply ingrained habits while I’m reading Salon.
We see that there are certain influential people in media who set these narratives (sometimes just propagating GOP talking points, and sometimes just because they can)–Broder for just one, who gave his official seal of approval to the Clinton sexlife shit.
There’s nothing that can be done to stop their influence, is there? Other journalists get their cues and off they go.
Ann Coulter is the Republican Party.
I fear for Froomkin. He’s a real journalist and therefore dangerous to the status quo.
Thanks to everyone for a great discussion and thanks to FDL for hosting it! Keep up the fight. And let’s keep spreading the word about Lapdogs.
I work for a local O&O.. a few stray thoughts:
Lots of liberal leaning folks work for Fox. They wish to keep their jobs, so perhaps they focus attention on what they think will make the bosses happy.
High ratings make bosses happy.
More than anything Rupert Murdoch likes to win… my guess: he values winning more than he values any particular political ideology.
Other media outlets follow Fox’s lead.
If Rupert could be convinced Fox would increase ratings by increasing solid political coverage (rather than Natalee Holloway), and/or changing their political spin, maybe that would trickle into the newsroom trenches.
Letters to news executives get read and often they influence coverage.
Simple story lines, combined with sex: great combo.. (any Hookergate hookers ready to for a Barbara Walters tell all?)
Current A-list celebrities making suprising scandalous news can help guarantee coverage. Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins don’t cut it… An ideal scenario: Jennifer Aniston and Vince Vaughn break up at an anti-war rally.. Brad Pitt cavorts with Katie Holmes at a Cindy Sheehan Sit-in… you get the idea.
The Dems need a simple unified message that resonates.
How about “Restore Honor”.
Honor is the reward of a virtous life.
boadiciea 165
re: “Adie at 90: ‘I keep wondering if %u2026some Dems are arguing effectively for simply letting them have enough rope to hang themselves.’”
Substitute “essentially” for your interpretation of my incautious wording, “effectively”, & we might be more in agreement than you seem to think.
I don’t particularly want Dems to stoop to some of the despicable tactics used by rove, but I wouldn’t be at all averse to seeing them put up more of a fight. Sooner, rather than later!
they wait any longer and there will be no ‘later’
ck says,
“we need a Virtual War Room, to give the Democrats the short sharp soundbites they need to blow up the right wing lies.”
I agree. How can we create one?
Neurophius; CK; absolutely!
An ammo dump. With the links.
I’ve been using “Tom Tomorrow”’s strip for quotes from the bushmasters, about:
“The Cakewalk”
“The war that would pay for itself”
The plaza to be named after George Bush.
“We know where the WMD’s are”
These are in one of his strips titled:
“In their own words” It’s a comic strip, but they spoke the bullshit. :o)
Also of use, is the passage from DaddyBush’s book, stating the reasons for NOT trying to occupy Iraq. It’s so fucking prescient, it’ll stand up the hair on your head.
You can google President Bush’s reasons for not occupying Iraq, and I think it will come up.
And, there’s always Halliburton Dick’s I-just-got-in-a-shipment-of-fresh-sheep-entrails “last throes” pronouncement about the insurgents.
Made, a year ago, to the week. :o)
These are conversational hand grenades; good for lobbing into the argument with the denial queens.
Adie, my apologies, my frustration wasn’t directed at your comment, which I think was spot on.
My ire relates directly to the resistance that still seems to exist in the Beltway Dems to assume that the Republicans will do the hard work of winning elections for us, if we just don’t interfere.
btw, that should read “…Beltway Dems who assume…”
See, anger and frustration make you stoopid…
Re-read some of Wolfe’s Bonfire of the Vanities (especially some of the set pieces, like the brunch in the Village or the conference call at the bond traders’) and you’ll see what motivates the press: vanity, vanity, vanity, money, “kid in private school,” vanity, careerism, vanity, money, vanity, vanity, vanity.
On the flip side of vanity and careerism–which Wolfe excavates so well–is fear of wimpiness and inability to secure sexual favors.
Must be hard for journalists to be so scared and craven while blustering that they’re Fearless Defenders of the First Amendment. Real cognitive dissonance there.
White House legend Helen Thomas, the longtime United Press International reporter who is now a syndicated columnist for Hearst, takes aim at her colleagues in a new book, saying that when it came to questioning President Bush in the weeks before the Iraq war, they were more lapdogs than watchdogs. …
There’s something here that continues to upset me. Beleive me, I do agree the media did not do its job in the lead up to the war in Iraq. It did not ask the tough questions it should have, and this made Bush’s case easier.
However, there is here an example of the left turning into a liberal version of what it is condemning. It is one thing to call out biased news, and quite another to expect all news to agree with your ideology.
In one quote above, “so-called liberal media institutions such as the Washington Post, which in February of 2003 alone, editorialized in favor of war nine times. (Between September 2002 and February 2003, the paper editorialized twenty-six times in favor of the war.)” can we not see the word EDITORIAL. I disagree with these editorials, but they are EDITORIALS, opinions. If the WaPo were to always editorialize against the right or Bush or whatever, they would not be unbiased, they would be liberal. It is important to separate editorial from news.
Why weaken our argument when we have one without these hypocracies?
Peter,
The CNN report on bad intelligence was first broadcast several weeks ago, maybe a few months even. I think I first saw it late last winter. No effect……
Orwell Rolls in His Grave would make a great companion piece to this book. It’s a documentary that came out two years ago. It explains how the media got into this mess in the first place.
If you want to spread the word about Lapdogs and give it more attention maybe you should list the author as ANN COULTER. Then they’ll be talking about it on the TODAY show, CNN, etc…
Hi Gang
Do you think that if the Dems took control of the Congress changes would be made? Is anyone considering bringing back the Fairness Doctrine? How about re-regulating the television industry? Thanks.
Thanks for, and to, Peter Dauo.
Point to remember: look at what they DO; why is a matter of opinion. The Right always questions motive, associations, etc., never deals with fact. They want to sell people a story, and get them to ignore (any fact that makes it into paragraph 17, page 24, of) the mainstream media.
But the bias of the MSM is too consistent to avoid the conclusion: the media doesn’t exist to report on the corporate and political powers — it’s part of the corporate and political powers.
The Right has public relations firms and think tanks combing the record for talking points, Democratic acts that can be distorted, and, in case of need, making shit up. Then they have a distribution machine to get it out, within the hour.
The Internet can ride herd on all this, perhaps make enough noise to get into the national press for a newscycle, but the system shows no sign of being open to consistent criticism or contrary fact. The media exists to support the system. (The much predicted, and now proclaimed, Bush Bounce, anyone?)
We need a way to reach the people misinformed by local press and rightwing talk radio, and candidates not terrified of running afoul of these potent forces. Murtha looks like showing its possible. We also need to raise consciousness about our compromised elections. Bush can go down to 13% approval, and outrage every informed voter in the country, but he still commands congress, the courts, the executive offices, and the mainstream press. The Strauss people disdain the uninformed mob, and work mightily to keep them un- and mis-informed. This administration hasn’t been elected twice, and still they rule as emperors.
Maybe their hold can be shaken this fall. If not, those calls above for revolution may be the only remedy.
So, we need a message, ways to get it out, and paper ballots.
Mudduck, Queens, NYC
I agree that motive analysis sends us in the wrong direction. Here’s what I know: these journalists referred to here are bullies. I know what to do with bullies from the playground. You stop them and make them back down. Bullies are cowards at heart so you make up your mind to call their bluffs – which is all a coward can do because a cowardly bully has no real courage, just bravado.
So the question for me is this: What is the strongest way to make them back down? We know they are weak because they get pushed around daily and won’t even stand up for themselves. We know they are weak because they love to lick boots, get power hugs and identify with the powerful in a really shameful way. So let’s aim our verbal arrows at their weakness – their shame at being lapdogs. Let’s rub their little doggy noses in their mess.
Just a thought.
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