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		<title>By: tech98</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/18/bursting-the-bubble-of-american-military-empire/#comment-150261</link>
		<dc:creator>tech98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Kipling right? Ahh. The white man’s burden.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kipling paid a heavy personal price for his bombastic jingoism. He pulled strings to land his reluctant 15-year-old son a position in the Irish Guards when WW1 broke out. His son was killed after a couple of weeks in the trenches. Kipling’s writings took a bitter turn and lost their blind glorification of militarism and conquest.&lt;br /&gt;
As Kipling went, so did Britain. It took being bled white and financially ruined by WW1 to cure Britain of most of its jingoism and imperial arrogance. WW2 took care of the rest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder what level of suffering it will take to cure the warmongering coward chickenhawks of America of their diseased illusions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kipling right? Ahh. The white man’s burden.</i></p>
<p>Kipling paid a heavy personal price for his bombastic jingoism. He pulled strings to land his reluctant 15-year-old son a position in the Irish Guards when WW1 broke out. His son was killed after a couple of weeks in the trenches. Kipling’s writings took a bitter turn and lost their blind glorification of militarism and conquest.<br />
As Kipling went, so did Britain. It took being bled white and financially ruined by WW1 to cure Britain of most of its jingoism and imperial arrogance. WW2 took care of the rest.</p>
<p>I wonder what level of suffering it will take to cure the warmongering coward chickenhawks of America of their diseased illusions.</p>
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		<title>By: schwa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/18/bursting-the-bubble-of-american-military-empire/#comment-150022</link>
		<dc:creator>schwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just read ‘The White Man’s Burden’ for the 1st time last night. One might call its sentiments preachy &amp; paternalistic (at best) although other epithets apply . Yet I was struck by ‘The Ballad of East and West’ (whose most-quoted line was used to reinforce social separation) - the poem actually illustrates how 2 men of warring races met &amp; learned respectful co-existence.&lt;br /&gt;
I’ve long wanted to look up ‘racism’ in the OED to find the year its current meaning entered the language. I’ve always assumed it post-dates ‘imperialism’, &amp; that the meaning of imperialism changed as racism was ‘discovered’ as a social concept (not that it didn’t already exist as a practice).&lt;br /&gt;
iow, pre-WWI imperialism was a high-minded social duty (profitable, too!) &amp; racism, like the neutron, was not known to exist despite being pervasivly present.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[above social theory may be discredited, out of fashion or just plain wrong]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Force Ratios:&lt;br /&gt;
Japan:&lt;br /&gt;
~200,000 Allied troops, ~70 million Japanese. 1 occupier per 350 occupied. &lt;a href=&quot;http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/occupation-japan.html&quot;&gt;http://history.acusd.edu/gen/W.....japan.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Iraq:&lt;br /&gt;
~150,000 troops, ~25 million Iraqis. 1 occupier per 167 occupied.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;iirc, a force of about 10% of the population is required to defeat an insurgency, that number would include allies, national armed forces, police &amp; the security arm. ymmv.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;best regards,&lt;br /&gt;
that upside-down lower-case e.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read ‘The White Man’s Burden’ for the 1st time last night. One might call its sentiments preachy &amp; paternalistic (at best) although other epithets apply . Yet I was struck by ‘The Ballad of East and West’ (whose most-quoted line was used to reinforce social separation) &#8211; the poem actually illustrates how 2 men of warring races met &amp; learned respectful co-existence.<br />
I’ve long wanted to look up ‘racism’ in the OED to find the year its current meaning entered the language. I’ve always assumed it post-dates ‘imperialism’, &amp; that the meaning of imperialism changed as racism was ‘discovered’ as a social concept (not that it didn’t already exist as a practice).<br />
iow, pre-WWI imperialism was a high-minded social duty (profitable, too!) &amp; racism, like the neutron, was not known to exist despite being pervasivly present.</p>
<p>[above social theory may be discredited, out of fashion or just plain wrong]</p>
<p>Force Ratios:<br />
Japan:<br />
~200,000 Allied troops, ~70 million Japanese. 1 occupier per 350 occupied. <a href="http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2timeline/occupation-japan.html">http://history.acusd.edu/gen/W&#8230;..japan.html</a></p>
<p>Iraq:<br />
~150,000 troops, ~25 million Iraqis. 1 occupier per 167 occupied.</p>
<p>iirc, a force of about 10% of the population is required to defeat an insurgency, that number would include allies, national armed forces, police &amp; the security arm. ymmv.</p>
<p>best regards,<br />
that upside-down lower-case e.</p>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By the way, I want to get it right, so if you have links, please share them!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I want to get it right, so if you have links, please share them!</p>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/18/bursting-the-bubble-of-american-military-empire/#comment-149563</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;schwa:  Well, if in his day his “better man than I am, Gugda Din” was seen as progressive, it was still racist.  Noble savage type “liberal” ideologies are still racist.  He is after all the one who coined the term “white man’s burden”  See the embedded Wikipedia link.  The whole imperalistic endeaver was rationalized and given a “moral” patina by racist ideology.  I can’t really see how that’s disputable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for the force ratios, I’ll have to go  back through my old bookmarks for the source reseach I filed away somewhere.  This is a tough week for me to do that as I work full time and am very busy, but I’ll get to it as soon as I can.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comments and questions!  Hope you’ll stick around.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>schwa:  Well, if in his day his “better man than I am, Gugda Din” was seen as progressive, it was still racist.  Noble savage type “liberal” ideologies are still racist.  He is after all the one who coined the term “white man’s burden”  See the embedded Wikipedia link.  The whole imperalistic endeaver was rationalized and given a “moral” patina by racist ideology.  I can’t really see how that’s disputable.</p>
<p>As for the force ratios, I’ll have to go  back through my old bookmarks for the source reseach I filed away somewhere.  This is a tough week for me to do that as I work full time and am very busy, but I’ll get to it as soon as I can.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments and questions!  Hope you’ll stick around.</p>
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		<title>By: schwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>schwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Pach, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m still confused about your comparison of force-levels. The ratio of occupiers to occupied in 2005 Iraq (not counting Iraqi government forces) is roughly twice that of 1946 Japan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll agree that reconstruction in Japan was more successful than it will be in Iraq. It’s a safe bet that any funds-corruption that occurred in Japan was an insignificant fraction compared to Iraq. I’m certain that President Truman would never have prevented investigations of corruption w/ some cheesy signing statement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I disagree w/ your statement “The mythology of the British Empire, the subject of Rudyard Kipling’s poem “Gunga Din”, was founded on racist fantasies of a white man’s burden.” While Kipling was an avid imperialist, lots of his work paid tribute to non-white people &amp; socially disadvantaged Europeans. Today, one might call him an apologist for racism - but 100 years ago, he was an irrepressible (and highly-respected) social conscious. Kinda like some bloggers!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pach, </p>
<p>I’m still confused about your comparison of force-levels. The ratio of occupiers to occupied in 2005 Iraq (not counting Iraqi government forces) is roughly twice that of 1946 Japan.</p>
<p>I’ll agree that reconstruction in Japan was more successful than it will be in Iraq. It’s a safe bet that any funds-corruption that occurred in Japan was an insignificant fraction compared to Iraq. I’m certain that President Truman would never have prevented investigations of corruption w/ some cheesy signing statement.</p>
<p>But I disagree w/ your statement “The mythology of the British Empire, the subject of Rudyard Kipling’s poem “Gunga Din”, was founded on racist fantasies of a white man’s burden.” While Kipling was an avid imperialist, lots of his work paid tribute to non-white people &amp; socially disadvantaged Europeans. Today, one might call him an apologist for racism &#8211; but 100 years ago, he was an irrepressible (and highly-respected) social conscious. Kinda like some bloggers!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phillip Allen:  I agree.  The insurgents in Iraq are not terrorists, and I regret any confusion I may have created.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip Allen:  I agree.  The insurgents in Iraq are not terrorists, and I regret any confusion I may have created.</p>
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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Schwa:  the relevant ratios are in comparison to our footprint in Iraq.  Sorry for the confusion I may have created.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Construction funds to Iraq have lined U. S. companies but not resulted in actual reconstuction.  There are also billions missing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schwa:  the relevant ratios are in comparison to our footprint in Iraq.  Sorry for the confusion I may have created.</p>
<p>Construction funds to Iraq have lined U. S. companies but not resulted in actual reconstuction.  There are also billions missing.</p>
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		<title>By: schwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>schwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Pach,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think your article contains some errors of fact wrt the US occupation of Japan:&lt;br /&gt;
“We had a huge ratio of conquering forces on the ground relative to total population size” - The US &amp; British Commonwealth forces that occupied the Japanese home islands amounted to less than 200,000 troops, a tiny %age of Japan’s population. [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Commonwealth_Occupation_Force]&lt;br /&gt;
“conditions made it possible to enact the visionary, Democrat-designed Marshall Plan for rebuilding and recovery” - Japan received no aid from the European Recovery Act (Marshall Plan). Rather, it got GARIOA (Government Appropriations for Relief in Occupied Areas) funds, &amp; ‘repaid’ ~25% of those funds. Total US reconstruction monies for Iraq are currently roughly double the amounts (in 2005 dollars) granted to Japan from 1945-52.[www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33331.pdf]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pach,</p>
<p>I think your article contains some errors of fact wrt the US occupation of Japan:<br />
“We had a huge ratio of conquering forces on the ground relative to total population size” &#8211; The US &amp; British Commonwealth forces that occupied the Japanese home islands amounted to less than 200,000 troops, a tiny %age of Japan’s population. [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Commonwealth_Occupation_Force]<br />
“conditions made it possible to enact the visionary, Democrat-designed Marshall Plan for rebuilding and recovery” &#8211; Japan received no aid from the European Recovery Act (Marshall Plan). Rather, it got GARIOA (Government Appropriations for Relief in Occupied Areas) funds, &amp; ‘repaid’ ~25% of those funds. Total US reconstruction monies for Iraq are currently roughly double the amounts (in 2005 dollars) granted to Japan from 1945-52.[www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33331.pdf]</p>
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		<title>By: ironranger</title>
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		<dc:creator>ironranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Has anybody noticed how all things war related has upsurged on cable tv in just the last few years? I’m not happy that our subscription includes the military channel…if only we could pick just the channels we want. I haven’t watched the history channel or discovery..well, I just don’t remember the last time. For instance, today on hist chan is “Military Monday”. When I look at the schedules, I see war (past &amp; present) including (I passed) “Hitler’s Women”. If it is not war, there is a lovely lineup of prison theme specials &amp; every murder investigation or mystery in american history. I’d call it terrorist tv.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody noticed how all things war related has upsurged on cable tv in just the last few years? I’m not happy that our subscription includes the military channel…if only we could pick just the channels we want. I haven’t watched the history channel or discovery..well, I just don’t remember the last time. For instance, today on hist chan is “Military Monday”. When I look at the schedules, I see war (past &amp; present) including (I passed) “Hitler’s Women”. If it is not war, there is a lovely lineup of prison theme specials &amp; every murder investigation or mystery in american history. I’d call it terrorist tv.</p>
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