
Jamison Foser of Media Matters continues his excellent series on media issues, and today’s post is another winner. I wanted to highlight a bit at the end because it goes directly to Eric Boehlert’s book Lapdogs that we’ll be discussing for tomorrow’s FDL Book Salon. As Jamison writes:
Many journalists are open to criticism of their work. They want to do their jobs as well as they can, and, though they may not always agree with the criticisms they receive, they respect and appreciate the process; they recognize that they aren’t perfect.
Others … others respond less favorably.
Former Washington Post ombudsman Michael Getler, who now holds that position for the Public Broadcasting System, recently criticized Boehlert’s Lapdogs, arguing that the book doesn’t prove "that the press rolled over for Bush" because that "would mean knowing what was inside the heads of producers and editors at the time their news decisions were made." In response, Boehlert wrote: "I don’t buy it. Journalists should be judged on the work they produce, not what’s inside their heads while they’re producing it." We at Media Matters agree completely. We can’t know precisely what reporters are thinking and feeling while working on a story, even if we wanted to. Instead, while the Right launches allegations of "bias," we focus on content, not intent. Boehlert may not know why "the press rolled over for Bush" — but it’s clear after reading his book that they did….
ABC’s Jake Tapper, whose false statements downplaying the White House’s now-broken pledge to fire anyone involved in outing Valerie Plame we have repeatedly had to correct, lashed out at us this week. Again. Tapper has now accused us of "dishonesty" and "partisan martyrdom," which he says is an effort to fill our "professional coffers." He has said we are "clearly all-too-eager to engage in standards more fit to last-minute political attack ads than to fair and objective journalism." He has called us "partisan hacks" who "find conservative media bias in every reporter’s ampersand." But while Tapper stoops to name-calling, Media Matters has stuck to the facts. Contrary to his suggestion that we allege "conservative media bias," we have done nothing of the kind. We’ve said he got something wrong, and we’ve provided facts to support that position. Like we said: We focus on content, not intent. But some reporters — and Tapper seems to be one of them — just can’t stand to be told they are wrong. They lash out, they call names, and they claim we are doing something we aren’t.
That’s fine. We aren’t going away, and neither should you.
I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: progressives don’t want the media to be Pravda, parroting only one side of the issue. They sinply want more truth, and far less truthiness and faux balance. Most journalists with whom I have spoken want this as well.
Boehlert’s book provides a great stepping off point for discussion about these issues, and I hope that everyone will step in tomorrow and join in the book chat. In the meantime, take a read of Jamison’s entire article — I’m interested in thoughts on it, and on the greater question of how best to go forward from where we are at the moment.
Blogs are a great starting point for discussions — but the vast majority of Americans don’t read them (yet). There are so many other ways to start the conversations that need to be had — letters to the editor, calls to local talk radio, discussions at the coffee shop down the street, and on and on. The Republican noise machine has been working all those angles for years — it’s about time we all stepped up and did the same. Jamison makes that point in his article, and I wanted to take some time this morning to tap into the amazing collective wisdom of our readership and beyond, and brainstorm on ways to be more effective at using these outlets.
What have you been doing lately in your community that has been effective? (Obviously BobbyG’s letter to the editor from yesterday is a great example of what you can do as an individual.) We do a lot of issue discussion, but I’d like to take a little time to talk strategy — what is working, what is not, what should we try next. So what do you think?
(PS — Thanks, Taylor, from me and Jane.) [And me! -- Pach]
UPDATE: Gang — Jane’s mom has had to go back in the hospital. We’re going to need some patience over the next few days, since Jane will be travelling to see her and deal with things. And if you could see your way to some thoughts, prayers or whatever it is that you do in this situation, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks.




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Pach’s arroz con pollo recipe!
Off the MSM!
I admit I love chihuahuas. My family had them long before all this Paris Hilton, Legally Blond nonsense.
OT…
Here is a link to a section of Courant’s blog talking trash about Ned Lamont. It has some comments from Right wing attack dogs spewing GOP talking points. It might be nice for Courant readers to get the other side of the story…
http://blogs.courant.com/news_…..amont.html
I posted myself, but the comments I submitted were probably deemed to… volatile. :)
Cheers,
Xero
I thought this was the cutest photo, Pach — even though chihuahuas have never been a fave of mine. (A great aunt had one when I was a kid that hated me and all other living creatures…)
Almost everyone in my circle does not want to hear or talk about politics. They all say that it is all bad news and it’s too depressing and that nothing will change. And at the moment, that is true. I haven’t had any good news to tell them to convice them things are changing.
That hasn’t stopped me from being optimistic or from continuing to inform myself as to what is going on politically. No one needs to tell me that without people understanding what’s going on, we can’t change what’s happening. I get that. But I can’t help but see their point of view and wish I sometimes lived in their la la land world and whistle a happy tune.
does that Chihuahua have a Green Card ?
“Journalists” aren’t the only ones who lash out in the face of being called on bullshit. Some bloggers have been guilty of the same thing *cough*aravosis*cough*. Others let their horde of devotees smack down the “trolls” for them. I’m not accusing FDL of anything, but looking down on the traditional media for something that happens regularly in the blogosphere is unnecessary I think.
Christy,
OT but might you (or perhaps Marcie) be planning a new thread soon on current status of CIA-leak investigation vis a vis Luskin notification from Fitz via fax/letter/phonecall/carrier-pigeon/smoke-signals/ whatever, Sealed v. Sealed, etc., etc.? Looseheadprop’s and others’ analysis and questions have been thought-provoking and would love to see what everyone else thinks might be going on….just askin’….
Can hardly wait for the 1st Annual FDL Bakeoff!
scory (from previous thread): actually I was thinking about Mark and Orlando’s on Wed.
Christy, in line with McGee’s 11, I sure wish they’d crank out last Monday’s transcript so you-all could have at it. Isn’t it getting overdue-ish?
McGee at 11 — I’ve been trying to chase down some details, but the process has been a bit hampered by the fact that I’ve just been so damned exhausted coming off YKos and Take Back America. Will try to get some extra sleep this weekend and get my brain back on track — and do something a bit more comprohensive when I can chase down the details I’ve been working on. (Sorry, this sounds odd and cryptic, but this isn’t some weird, tinfoil thing, I promise — but I try to deal in facts and not a lot of speculation over and above what I can tie in to factual stuff, and that takes time to nail down sometimes…)
D.Mason at 10 — that’s a good point as well. We try to foster a conversational environment here for just that reason — the debate on all sides of things keeps the facts honest, I think. (One of the reasons I’ve jumped into the fray in the past to stop the whole “quick to call troll” bit we sometimes get…it’s tough to balance protection of a great discussion environment against a need for open debate, and sometimes it’s a fine line.) Anyway, all this to say, that I agree with you that debate serves a VERY useful purpose, and should be encouraged and not suppressed. (Nastiness, otoh, will not be tolerated, especially if its directed at our commenters, just in case anyone is wondering…)
I don’t see it as “looking down on traditional media”,I think it’s more about holding their feet to the fire to do their damned jobs.Instead of singing the praises of this administration.There’s little if any in depth reporting(and a three part series on Brittney doesn’t count)anymore,and god forbid someone ask follow up questions of any depth.
Blogs wouldn’t be nearly as needed or wanted if the media would just remember what journalism REALLY is.The people on the TeeVee now aren’t journalists by a long shot,they’re news readers and pundits.Bought and paid for by sponsors and parent companies.
It seems like many well known “news”reporters have this”I got mine,screw it”attitude that doesn’t help matters much either.
“We focus on content not intent” is powerful and simple.
Choosing to focus on content does not mean intent doesn’t exist, however to the extent one focuses on pointing out intent, you are participating in the same dance. It reminds me of a favorite wingnut rebuttal directed at this kind of criticism – ‘you become what you despise.’
Focusing on content is like putting on a new record and forcing others to learn a new step.
I believe the correct terminology to use here is that this was EPU’d from a previous thread?
Thank you Christy, you can call me Andy of the red face now.
More on topic, I think the most exciting part of Foser’s post today was the call to action… I agree with him – until we ride the media with the same ruthlessness as the right, we won’t get the same response.
Muzzy 17 – what a crisp, clean bullseye. Well done.
Pach, I was telling a friend who also attended YKo about the roots project and she said it sounded a lot like what they were developing at the Civic Space Session in Druple. Is this a separate project from Roots Project or is it coorinated effort?
Christy, have a funny story about my daughter caring for a fiends chihuahuas while on vacation. He was a fiesty little dog and had a labile personality. She was trying to get him inside the house so that she could leave and he was snapping and barking. Smart kid put on the oven mits on to pick up the dog, Just as she was walking in from the back yard, my friend walks in seeing her dog being carried around with oven mits. I guess watching Animal Planet pays off.
OfT: Luskin’s “Accountability” Moment
by emptywheel
“Luskin and Rove are walking on eggshells, that is clear. Neither has uttered one complaint about being put through the ringer by Patrick Fitzgerald.
Mr. Luskin does not gnash his teeth at Mr. Fitzgerald.
“It’s not winning the lottery,” he said of the Rove case. “It’s just avoiding something that would be a truly horrendous injustice for your client. You feel lucky to be part of a process that works fairly and intelligently.”
(emphasis mine)
Nor has the normally boisterous Rove bragged of exoneration.
But that doesn’t mean Karl is quietly accepting his role of chief snitch. Nope. He’s going to lash out, but he’s going to lash out at a target that can’t put him in jeopardy, at least not legal jeopardy. He’s going to lash … at blogs….”
The Aztecs had only one domestic meat animal- the dog. I suspect, but don’t know, that it was the chihuahua. Any favorite Chihuahua recipes out there?
While reporters and editors often merit the proverbial “dope slap” for some of their boneheaded repetition of talking points, others do indeed nail things on the head. Letters to the editor on both occasions are definitely merited.
Sticks and carrots, sticks and carrots . . .
Andy @ 19: I just clicked on to your blog. where’s your photo? I’m wild for men in kilts.
New poll out from CNN- Clusterfuck at 37% JAR. Here’s the history:
CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. June 14-15, 2006. N=1,017 adults nationwide. MoE 3.
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“Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?”
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Approve Disapprove Unsure
% % %
6/14-15/06
37 53 10
5/16-17/06
36 57 7
5/5-7/06
34 58 8
4/21-23/06 32 60 8
and just so you don’t think I’m a complete degenerate, I also love Scottish history.
Peterr, LTE’s can indeed be effective with some media outlets… anyone have ideas about how to hold an organization like AP’s feet to the fire when reporters like John Solomon invent stories to discredit Sen. Harry Reid and are then rewarded for doing so?
I wrote to AP twice and never heard back. How do we make a giant like that hear our voices and not ignore us?
Foser’s stuff is outstanding – that series started with a bang (to be heard round the world eventually) – relentlessly focused like a laser in ripping the media ho’ apologists a new corn chute with every gem of a sentence. (to mix a few similes and metaphors)
That relentlessness hasn’t flagged a bit in subsequent installments. And it’s THE essential quality we need by the bucketful right now.
lotus – I’m a blind squirrel
I would also add that repeatedly pointing out the contrast between content and intent as it occurs within the ongoing dialogue is more powerful than sticking to content alone.
Everyone is capable of recognizing content. Where awareness needs to be expanded is when the debate drifts from content and gets selectively shelved or ignored. Bring the contrast into full view. Point it out repeatedly when it occurs.
rwcole: I suspect chihuahuas taste like scrawny chickens so you could try Pachacutec’s Abuelita’s “Arroz con Chihuahua” recipe …
it’s not just the msm that rolled over & put its paws up so that bush could tickle its tummy — americans were overwhelmingly excited about going into iraq as long as other folks’ kids were going to do the fighting — the only reason why so many americans have since changed their minds about iraq is because team bush lost the war — it’s not because bush has been treating the iraqi people as enemies when their only crime was to be living where there’s oil — proof that bush has always had it backwards is that the iraqi government will pardon those who’ve killed our troops but won’t pardon those who’ve killed iraqis: the iraqis know they’re dealing with an invader
americans are never going to accept responsibility for having been front runners: that’s why rove can keep setting foreign policy so as to appeal to the lowest common denominator & it’s why the democrats in congress are helpless — but as long as domestic politics drives foreign policy even as it undermines our global strategy, america will keep sliding downhill
Lina — next week yes, this week, no. Wednesday’s booked for the theater. Sorry.
Christy — my partner does work for a nameless, multinational PR firm. He comes home absolutely unable to watch or engage in conversation about anything reported in the American MSM because, as he says, he can see the fingerprints of the PR firms in most “news” stories reported.
One of my best friends is an engineer for one of the major broadcast networks. She’s unbelievably sensitive when I’ve questioned the media’s independence — but will freely acknowledge that she took a job with a major network over an independent or public network because they paid that much better.
It’s a whole lot easier to “report” when you’re being spoon fed by sources. Given that producers and editors are constantly asked to reduce their budgets, it’s not suprising to me that the first cuts are those pesky reporters — they’re hard to manage, can’t predict their output, and can cause problems for management and sponsors with their reporting.
For every Murray Waas, Seymour Hirsch, and Laura Rosen, we have ten Adam Nagourneys, Elisabeth Bumillers and Jim Van der Heis. (And yes, I’m picking on both the Times and the Post here).
Now, why the press has put their collective spines and (excuse the sexist language) balls in escrow isn’t hard to figure out. What’s much more difficult is finding a way to make them take ‘em back.
For lina at #24: Full dress kilt outfit from YK
Blind squirrel, Muzzy? As if. You sure got a helluva line on some righteous acorns, so please keep ‘em coming.
Scory at 32 — now THAT is a topic I’d love to explore more in depth — the PR imprint. It’s not my specialty area, clearly, but something that I find fascinating, just as a topic of interest. Any information that you — or others — want to pass along, I’m all ears.
From Pelosi’s website- the national dem platform for 2006:
A NEW DIRECTION FOR AMERICA
Democrats offer a New Direction, putting the common good of all Americans first for a change and will:
Make Health Care More Affordable: Fix the prescription drug program by putting people ahead of drug companies and HMO’s, eliminating wasteful subsidies, negotiating lower drug prices and ensuring the program works for all seniors; invest in stem cell and other medical research.
Lower Gas Prices and Achieve Energy Independence: Crack down on price gouging; eliminate billions in subsidies for oil and gas companies and use the savings to provide consumer relief and develop American alternatives, including biofuels; promote energy efficient technology.
Help Working Families: Raise the minimum wage; repeal tax giveaways that encourage companies to move jobs overseas.
Cut College Costs: Make college tuition deductible from taxes; expand Pell grants and slash student loan costs.
Ensure Dignified Retirement: Prevent the privatization of Social Security; expand savings incentives; and ensure pension fairness.
Require Fiscal Responsibility: Restore the budget discipline of the 1990s that helped eliminate deficits and spur record economic growth.
Pach #5
Do you have a recipe for that???
Cathy #8
Lots of my church folk are dragging too until I tell them to stop reading the traditional media and start getting their news online. When I start telling them what I am learning and what I am DOING, they start getting excited and energetic themselves (average age of the congregation, 70). What the blogs and our online communities are doing is about hard information and hope.
That’s why we are here. As long gone Universalist preacher John Murray said
That’s what we are preaching here.
scory: I’ll be there on the 28th.
Andy: Wow! (Alas, you’re too young for me. Sigh.)
There are several choices with dealing with the Traditional Media.
1. Ignore it – let it go down what every path and hope eventually it becomes irrevalant.
2. Start our own – well that takes in the who, what and whos money.
3. Challange the media on all fronts – I am back to watching TeeVee again for short segments (my kids just do not like the swearing) but I am starting with my local stations news broadcasting. I have the complaint email address already bookmarked and call them on the carpet for spin BUT I also tell them when they DO do something right.
Lotus – not acorns, I found some Stumptown ‘hairbender’ beans for my French press this morning ;)
I am amazed that Jake Tapper doesn’t recognize one of the most common and egregious rhetorical fallacies– the ad hominem attack. (Sometimes I think prominent journalists really don’t seem very well-educated or capable of real thought or analysis either.) Jamison has it exactly– that the reason journalists immediately resort to personal accusations of “lying” and “partisanship” (as if, you know, they’re of equal weight) is because they can’t or won’t address the actual facts.
Some journalists have gotten so far away from the respect for facts and evidence. But then, they wouldn’t be lapdogs for Bush if they cared about evidence. Because “personality” is all to them, they avoid evidence. (Not that I have the slightest clue why the MSM is in the minority of Americans in thinking that Bush has a good personality even. I swear, to a certain type of person, Bush must really be charming… but he’s never charmed most Americans, I think– look at the election votes.)
The dem plan doesn’t mention specifically rolling back any tax cuts. Doesn’t mention Iraq.
It’s not bad as a national model- it’s about as far as they can go and have something that nearly every dem running can support.
It will be interesting to see how many campaigns end up discussing Iraq and the tax cuts.
Tapper is a real big boy now — saw him in the Rose Garden at the White House at the presser, talking to the Preznit his own bad self !
The root problem with corporate media is that–as the “fourth estate”–it has been co-opted and is now as much a self-interested player as the other three over which it is supposed to provide oversight. It’s not just that former political operatives like the despicable Tim Russert pose as pundit/journalists, but that “reporters” are hired for qualities that have nothing to do with journalistic skill or integrity. This is especially true of television, which of course generates so much of the conventional wisdom dominated by the Republican noise machine. How else can we account for beaming nincompoops like Matt Lauer, Nora O’Donnell, and the very-dim-but-possessing-great-skin-and hair Soledad O’Brien? They are uniformly shallow, complacent, and overly compensated. It’s why they have become lapdogs instead of watchdogs.
That’s awful, of course–and very, very dangerous too, as we have seen in the Bush era especially. But the citizen journalists of the netroots are also a natural consequence of such a development and why, as Jamison Foser and Peter Daou consistently point out, the first line of attack is on the corporate media, which has fed the degradation of reliable information and intelligent public discourse.
Net neutrality may therefore be the single sleeper issue that determines what happens over the next few years. Karl Rove this week set out to encourage the “fever swamp” narrative of the progessive blogosphere, knowing that it is the primary source of credible and effective opposition in a world where just about everything else has been bought and paid for. Think of how much easier it will be to sell off this supposedly worthless swampland by convincing everyone that it has no value unless properly “developed” by the sort of interests that ultimately only serve themselves.
The best part about lapdogs is when they feel threatened how they yip and yip and yip and sometimes bite you on the ankle.
When they do that to their master, sometimes they end up at the pound…
Blogs wouldn’t be nearly as needed or wanted if the media would just remember what journalism REALLY is.The people on the TeeVee now aren’t journalists by a long shot,they’re news readers and pundits.Bought and paid for by sponsors and parent companies.
I think the silencing of all liberal commentary from the airwaves and national news publications would go down in business history as one of the biggest marketing disasters of all times were it not for the tragic consequences.
crosseyed 15 – I can’t altogether agree. A truly informative/critical media could have resonated with masses of Americans just as strongly as Rove’s “shiny new war from Toys R Us” bullshit. But as it was, with the state of the media, this fiasco was launched without even the slightest debate. Foser’s right – the media is the ONLY issue. Sure blindness and jingoism are in every heart – but whether they are deliberately celebrated and stroked and nurtured or not, and by whom, and for what purposes, is the real issue.
The News Media has to figure out what to do about “news” that is manufactured- by the White House.
Send the pres somewhere to give a speech- the same old piece of shit speech- is it news?
Print a report that is nothing but self serving bullshit supporting the White House position. Is it news?
Get the White House staff out talking on TEEVEE- is it news?
etc. etc.
Well I guess this shit is news- of a certain kind- and it will probably always be reported- but the report should be about “why is the White House doing this- what are they trying to accomplish- and is it true?
Those that work in the TeeVee industry, the person behind the camera or the Engineer… they call the performing person “The Talent”.
It is “The Talent” wants this or requires that. Currently we have TeeVee personalities who are doing “news” interviews who came from the entertainment industry vs journalism. Not that they could not provide real news but what we have is tabloid 24/7. It seems I get more news from the teasers that are put out than the real thing.
MSM largely = straight “entertainment” and “infotainment” anymore.
$$$
Looking for a way to get involved? Try voting integrity issues. Call to find out about being a poll watcher. Read Bradblog. Join the League of Women Voters. On voting day make sure the *infrared ports* are covered over on voting machines, so votes can’t be changed remotely.
On topic about journalism, see yesterday’s hot debate between Mark Crispin Miller and Salon. His point: we might be too afraid to consider that elections are truly stolen, but let’s be brave and examine the facts.
Wow, that is some dashing and debonair kiltishness!
People are bored with “news” shows. I haven’t watched a real news show for years. You can get the “news” by reading the front page of USA Today. That’s about all there is.
What people WANT is illuminating commentary that shares their own preconcieved ideas- and that’s available in abundance.
I am reading an interesting book on politics that concentrates on the effect of the media in the political process. The conclusion so far seems to be:
Media stories don’t succeed in convincing people what to think- but they are VERY good at directing people at what to think ABOUT.
They are not good at getting candidates elected- but they are very good at getting candidates dismissed from consideration.
The universe for discussion begins and ends with what is being broadcast.
egregious, that MK Miller piece was a stunner. Absolute required reading.
Remember-
Before anyone tunes to Fox News- they know exactly what to expect.
It’s not as if dems show up there accidently and get brainwashed.
Fox viewers are already brainwashed before they ever turn on the set.
USA Today actually does a very good job of capturing “The News”. You don’t even need to read the stories- the headlines give you everything you need to know.
The Media can say whatever “they” want- as both slimy Colter and Noam Chomsky have publically stated – “they own it”.
That is why RoveCongress is attacking the net – because WE THE PEOPLE are fighting back against the machine and starting to make difference.
Perhaps something like Al Gore’s Current TV Station would change format a bit to accommodate more real news? Perhaps a significant case could also be made for the Corporate Owned Press?
Chip away, just as the corrupt Rethugs have. We must prevail if we are to get our Country back. Too many Americans have their head in the sand – let’s help educate them with facts – and train them – and us – on how to counter spin.
Rover is on a hard crusade against the left-blogoshpere.
He said the Republicans use the blogs to get thier message across and to organize.
The lefts uses blogs to stir up hate and anger against Bush and the conservatives.
Funny, remember back in 1994 how the year of the “angry white male” was heralded. They were “mad as hell and weren’t going to take it anymore”. That was considered to be a unifying theme. They were “righteously angry” and were going to let people know how they felt.
Now, simply being “angry” is used to immediately cease arguments because “those people are just Bush haters.”
Funny, but hating Clinton was a badge of honor for most of the hard right. Now anger is bad. Nothing like changing the rules of the game whenever it suits your team.
Check out the post by Dave Sirota talking about debating John Stossel.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..8460/15485
-GSD
Speaking of news…
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) – A series of explosions struck commercial areas in Baghdad within hours Saturday, killing at least 17 people and dealing a blow to a huge government operation to secure the capital.
The blasts — seven within five hours — brought the death toll around Iraq to at least 23 people. The bombings also wounded at least 72. A day earlier, a suspected shoe bomber blew himself up inside one of Baghdad’s most prominent Shiite mosques, killing 13 people.
The U.S. military said a soldier was killed Friday and two others were missing after an attack on a checkpoint near Youssifiyah, 12 miles south of Baghdad. The area is known as the “Triangle of Death” because of frequent ambushes and attacks against U.S. soldiers and Iraqi troops…
Current photo from the capital of Bushistan:
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2…..x7Q–
Turning yet another corner.
Any predictions on when we’l the next “just a number” 3,000?
http://www.bgladd.com/Just_a_Number.jpg
“The lefts uses blogs to stir up hate and anger against Bush and the conservatives.”
Yes, and the process via which this is done comprises the thorough analytical airing of facts and logic.
Does anyone else think that if Jack Murtha or Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton had said that “US troop deaths were just a number” that the rightwing battalions of whiny ass mofos would have been up in arms?
-GSD
You know what really surprised me? During Katrina, I was so adamant to find out everything I could, I actually turned to Fox sometimes when the other channels seemed to be taking little breathers.
Imagine my surprise that they did some good work in NOLA — and my jaw absolutely dropped every time Shep[sp?] Smith tore BushCo a new one with the best of ‘em. The guy was so vocally LIVID up on that interstate among those in extremis, I expected him to get the hook any minute.
I haven’t been back since, and judging by the reports I get here, they’ve fully resumed their bad old ways — but last September, I’ll admit, they did a credible job.
Whenever I hear Buchanan or others speak about “cut and run” with respect Iraq, I wish the opposition was would respond with reply that included “know when to fold ‘em.”
GSD says:
June 17th, 2006 at 9:28 am
Does anyone else think that if Jack Murtha or Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton had said that “US troop deaths were just a number” that the rightwing battalions of whiny ass mofos would have been up in arms?
-GSD
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I suspect that that one is going to come back and bite them in the ass.
GSD @ 59:
Rove can be weirdly honest when he’s lying. He usually takes accurate descriptions of his side and the other side, and then he just flips them. Working backwards, you can conclude that the left uses the blogs to get their message out and organize, and the right uses them to spew hate and anger.
DISCLAIMER: This trick doesn’t always work. Counterexample: I don’t really believe that Bush is a lesbian.
GSD – I absolutely despise John Stoessel. He’s typical of the new right – pompous, smug, dismissive, priggish, and totally full of crap. The MSM figures if they put a guy with good hair on (and tell him not to yell at us) we’ll buy in.
But my biggest dissapointment has become NPR. I don’t listen at all anymore, at least not to Morning Edition or ATC. They’ve been so cowed by CPB with that phony balanced-reporting protocol, making sure there’s always a wingnut response at the ready. (sometimes Mara Liasson and Juan Williams stand -in for Rich Lowery and the like). And yet, they keep pulling in the dollars. They’re just not getting my dollars anymore. I only support the small independent stations like KBCS, which has slots of great news and public interest programming from the BBC, PRI, Jim Hightower, environmental shows, etc. And they still play eclectic music throughout the day! I really can’t deal with all-talk-all-the-time.
I’m doing voter registration later today at the Dog Show! Does this mean I’m going to miss out on the baking recipes? (: (
Frank @ 67
What are you trying to say? Bush doesn’t like women?
Ohhhhhhhh.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I don’t think they are even trying to be clever anymore.
shoephone at 67 — move down one thread, and find the conversation, the intros and some amazing recipes as well. :) And the thread will be up all day, so you can always come back and see what’s been posted when you get home. Good on you for doing the voter registration!
Re: “US troop deaths were just a number”
To be fair, Tony Snow never used the word “JUST”
“Tony Snow on U.S. Death #2500 in Iraq: “It’s a Number”
http://editorandpublisher.com/…..&imw=Y
OT: There are vague rumblings about the far right calling for a Constitutional Convention in order to ban gay marriage. I don’t think it’s going to happen, but if it does, it’ll certainly be interesting. My understanding is that you can’t put that genie back in the bottle. Once the Convention assembles, you can propose all sorts of fun Amendments. The Choice Amendment, the Equal Rights for Women Amendment, and the Hamilton-Schwarzenegger Amendment would all be in my top five.
Lina @ 39 – see you there, barring work disasters.
Christy @ 35 – Yes, the PR imprint on the news is a very interesting topic, and given that, in Washington, PR and political advocacy are one and the same, is likely the source of the American MSM’s failure to report. Remember, Karl Rove made his money through political direct mail. That’s PR. Ditto many of the political consultants on the other side of the aisle.
Tracing the fingerprints of PR on news is hard work. What’s needed to do it is:
A group of people with a lot of time and patience, and some serious connections in both news rooms and PR firms;
The ability to track back, from the published story, the development of the story through the reporting and editorial process, and then
The ability to trace the development of the PR placement, through the agency to the client.
None of these things are show stoppers. But it’s getting them all lined up. Perhaps the FDL community can help here. :)
Me, I’m a bureaucrat who was once-upon-a-time a scientist in training. But I know a few people in Washington. I’ll check around. :)
A Constitutional Convention will destroy the Constitution — that’s its purpose.
NO ONE should EVER support a Constitutional Convention. Do you really think the leaders we have today could come close to matching the wisdom and restraint of the founding fathers?
RWCOLE at at 8:57 am @36
Thanks for posting that info on Pelosi’s list of Democratic positions. It’s unbelievable that they could just ignore Iraq! I just emailed my Congresscritter telling him it’s not acceptable to ignore Iraq.
How do these idiots expect to lead the country when they won’t even take a stand on the greatest foreign policy disaster and waste of human life and national treasure!
Anyway, I will often call or write the Ombudsman of the news sources that I consume. I’m sure it doesn’t do any good, but I figure its better than sending corrections directly to the editorial staff who will delete the email or voicemail and carry (water for Bushco) on.
ck says
June 17th, 2006 at 9:48 am
A Constitutional Convention will destroy the Constitution %u2014 that’s its purpose.
NO ONE should EVER support a Constitutional Convention. Do you really think the leaders we have today could come close to matching the wisdom and restraint of the founding fathers?
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No, but the leaders we have today have been wiping their asses with the Constitution since December of 2000.
Christy – thank you. I’ll go check the recipes! Maybe I’ll finally learn how to make a good pie crust.
I looked at the voter regist. choices for which event to sign up for and when I saw the dog show was listed… well, I don’t think I need to explain. If I see any lapdogs there, I’ll give ‘em an earful.
GSD @ 62:
The 101st Fighting Keyboarders would have actually had to put their Twinkies down to type with both hands on that one!
Let’s just look at the balance sheet, shall we?
CLINTON: Guilty of: blowjob. Remedy: impeached.
BUSH: corruption, war based on lies, incompetence, loss of a major city, illegal wiretapping, largest deficit in history, election fraud, loss of international standing and goodwill, ignored international treaties and habeus corpus, holds American citizens without charge or representation, torture, “extradition,” rising crime and abortion rates…et cetera
Remedy: “the fever swamp,” not much else.
That seems fair.
EPU’d:
DRST–glad to see more Ohio folks getting involved. I think it would be helpful to focus on getting a Democratic Secretary of State this year, that’s who will be in charge of counting the votes for President in ‘08.
Contact: Jennifer Brunner’s campaign and get involved!
So, apparently Jack Burkman, right wing PR man for Tony Perkins AFC was bagged trying to pick up a few lesbians at a pride parade or something to that effect.
He was also recently shilling for Ary-Ann Coulter on MSGOP.
I hate to link to, gulp, Wonkette.
http://www.wonkette.com/politi…..181266.php
-GSD
I was just thinking about the media and politics.
The average congressional seat costs about 1 million bucks to contest. There’s a lot of seats- so it’s a lot of bucks.
Within that average, however- have got to be some $100,000 seats- seats in podunk Mo. or somewhere that cost almost NOTHING to contest. Wonder if dems are thinking about recruiting red necks that are 10 times better than the gooper rednecks-and sending em out to do battle with $200 grand in their pockets.
Why should goopers get all the cheap seats?
Shoot, no linky.
Jennifer Brunner for Sec. State in Ohio.
The bonus quote.
The gay girl propositioned by Republican Conservative Jack Burkman was asked by the right-wing penis wrangler: “Do you make exceptions for for men?”
Her reply: “I was like, not for Republicans.”
Whooo…ahh.
-GSD
In their hearts, I really believe Bush, Cheney, Rove and co are fascists. The Constitution and the freedoms we have are a barrier to their rule. I think that’s what Bush saw when he looked into Putin’s eyes. I’m sure Bush looks at what Putin is doing in Russia and envies him.
Cozumel 70 -
To be fair? No, to be “accurate” in interpretation of his intent. The header on my graphic cites what he said – “It’s a number.” Yeah, the “just” part thereafter is MY take. He was clearly blowing off the question, inferring that “2,500″ had no import.
In a technical sense, our Jones for attaching special import to even number milepost values IS in fact irrational. Number bases, after all, are arbitrary, and the base ten system is mostly a function of our having 2 hand with 5 fingers each. We could compute equally well with base 2 (computers), 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,…”n.”
But, Snow was clearly deflecting the question pertaining to the large and growing magnitude of troop deaths.
“…so, Mr. Snow, would you care to comment on the 2,619 U.S. troop deaths in Iraq?…”
They don’t want to comment on the continuing bloodbat, period. I am calling bullshit, and will continue to do so.
Again, IF journalists, pundits, and media companies want to talk about the “business” of news in the “market”, THEN they must accept being evaluated on the basis of their PRODUCT and not their own PROCESS.
EITHER they produce a quality news product which stands up to use, scrutiny, and objective review, OR they produce junk and try to use marketing and excuses to divert us from seeking a quality product.
If I buy a DVD player which fails to play DVD’s, I don’t care why this problem occurred for the manufacturer; I don’t care what the ‘culture’ of the manufacturer’s board is; I don’t care about any excuses the manufacturer may provide. I just want a damn quality product that isn’t a bunch of unreliable crap.
So if THEY want to use the “marketplace” metaphor for news, I say WE embrace it.
BobbyG @ 84
Like I said, it’s going to bite them in the ass. 2,500 may be “just a number” to them, but you can bet that #2,500 has a face, a name, and a grieving family back home. An intrepid reporter (if there are any left) may be setting up the interview with the widow as we speak.
82: Rove is a fascist? Hell no. DRAFT DODGING Rove is a coward. A yellow coward. Pure and simple. Draft dodging Rove is gutless, and spineless. More American boys died overnight, while draft dodging Rove continues to sit on his fat yellow ass.
You hear me draft dodger Karl? Don’t like what I’m calling you, draft dodger Karl? Does it upset your yellow spine, draft dodger Karl?
Then here. Take a kleenex. Dry your eyes, draft dodger Karl. If I really upset you…then just call your momma.
Ghostman
Good Morning Firedogs
Christy, thanks so much for the recipe swap – am so sorry I missed it live but grateful to have the recipes (saved the thread in favorites)
am probably being pollyanna, but I’m still heartened by Rove singling out the blogs the other day -
maybe he caught the YKos buzz and found us a new and convienent candidate for distraction du jour, but again, I’m thinking as a so called polling/numbers savant, he saw 1000 people and extrapolated from there how many of us there are out here (did he verify it with Hayden ?) and he saw this entity as something to attack immediately. better yet, if I’m right, we were perceived as ‘non-aligned’ which would make us even less vulnerable to his attack bs
I could be full of it, but the idea of giving that souldess bastard some serious agita makes me happy
John Casper # 21 – I hope you are right and Karl continues to lash out at the netroots. Just sayin – Bring it on Reptilian Rove!
The netroots do not fear you one whit
You pathetic little shit
We the People are so on to you
A force so true
You haven’t a clue
Fitz gave you a taste of your own doo doo
We the People will prove thy Waterloo.
cbl @ 89
I like the idea of putting draft-dodger in front of all of their names. Rove, Bush, Cheney. Tar them all.
Follow-up on my 85 -
On numeric irrationality. I was once instructed by one of my exec superiors at the bank where I worked to CHANGE an actual accurate calculated value that just happened to have come out at some big round value, e.g., $2,000,000.00, to something like “$2,000,437.29″ becuase it would “look” more accurate to the OCC examiners.
Ghostman @ 87
“just call your momma”
oh ghostie, my my my
OT: I continue to be puzzled by Luskin’s failure to release Fitz’s letter to Rove. Obviously, there’s something there Luskin doesn’t want us to see. I can’t believe that Fitz is settling for Rove’s cooperation against Libby. Libby is already wrapped up with a bow. Is there any chance that Sealed v Sealed is really US v Cheney, and Fitz has secured Rove’s testimony against the Shooter?
BobbyG,
“To be fair? No, to be “accurate” in interpretation of his intent.”
Interpreting ones intent is one thing but an embellished and slanted quote is another. How can we possibly hold MSM’s feet to the fire when “our side” is just as guilty? I cringed when I heard Brian Unger say “just a number” on Countdown last night. I want facts and accuracy from the media, sans spin.
Christy,
Barbara O’Brien over at Glenn Greenwald’s place points to a very interesting piece by Robert Parry at Consortium News that really deserves to be broadcast far and wide.
Would some of my FDL elders like to explain to me why the Dems ‘plan’ does not mention Iraq ?
is it b/c it’s such a tragic, overwhelming mess it doesn’t lend itself to sound-bite ready talking points ?
Speaking on behalf of mothers and suicidal people everywhere, for the love of God leave Rove’s mother out of this.
Hello all: The original posting asked us to cite instances of our involvement in the community to get the word out/take action by way of letters to the editor, and the like. I thought I would share a letter I emailed to my congressman yesterday, after I learned of his vote with the Republicans on the Iraq resolution. I welcome your comments. I think it’s important to put the heat on these folks and give them heartburn where appropriate.
Subject: Your Vote on Iraq Resolution
To: Rick.Larsen@mail.house.gov
Dear Congressman Larsen:
I am writing to express my extreme disappointment
about your vote on the Iraq resolution today. It is
very troubling to me that you would abandon your party
and vote for a politically-inspired Republican sham
resolution.
I know that your Republican opponent has a military
background and is a diehard supporter of George W.
Bush and the entire Republican strategy. No doubt
you are concerned that he will attack you on this
issue if you vote with your party. Still, it is
important in my view that my Democratic congressman
supports the well-reasoned and appropriate position on
this matter that has been championed by leading
Democrats like Jack Murtha.
Surely you can see that this resolution was put forth
in a most cynical fashion by the Republican right to
divide the Democratic party and attempt to establish a
campaign strategy for the November election. Your
vote to support and enable the Republian strategy is
unconscionable for a true Democrat, and politically
craven and naive, in that you have given the
Republicans the basis for driving a wedge into the
Democratic party. They will use the votes of people
like you to attack other Democrats around the country
who had the courage to stand with Congressman Murtha.
I note that even Norm Dicks, who has always been a big
booster of the military, voted with his party on this
matter. I am sure as a member of Congress you are
astute enough to see that strategic trap; and as such,
you bear increased responsibility, in my eyes, for
falling for it as you did.
You have shown regrettable weakness and stunning
willingness to abandon your party on this vital
matter, involving incalculable loss of American blood
and treasure, not to mention the devastation of a
nation that we attacked as a matter of choice and not
necessity.
It is especially disheartening that you would cast
such a vote, in light of what I am sure would be the
position of your Democratic predecessors in your
office. Lloyd Meeds and Al Swift would have supported
Jack Murtha and the Democratic position on this
resolution. I knew them both personally while they
were in Congress, and regularly campaigned for them,
and of this I have no doubt at all.
I would appreciate a response from you in which you
explain your vote. Perhaps you can convince me that
you are right, and I am wrong. Or, maybe it doesn’t
matter to you at all. I wrote you previously about the
NSA wiretapping of American citizens, but was not
favored with a response by either you or your staff.
Very truly yours,
The rise of the mercenary industrial complex.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06…..r=homepage
-GSD
Frank #91 – love it and perhaps we should spell it out rather than use DD lest the ignorant wingnuts cause undue swarming MyDD.
margaret, I’m with you about the intimidation factor. I’ve seen some comments blasted, and have not really been able to figure out why.
GSD # 100
And what was it the Traditional Media pulled out of obsurity was Markos comment on mercenaries.
The issue is another “Healthy Skys” or “Kill every tree” program is to rename everything. When you are hired to act like a military force and kill by a foreign goverment or private corporation THAT is a Mercenary.
It is NOT that a private contractor was shooting civilians from a van, it was Mercenaries paid by OUR dollars to kill inocent Iraqi’s.
The biggest winners in the Iraq War is the Mercenary R US corporations.
I’m getting that “about to be EPU’d feeling,” but here goes:
1. In response to Christy’s query “what have you been doing lately?” – I wrote this letter to the editors of the Anchorage Daily News:
“I was surprised to see an article about Ann Coulter’s most recent book below the fold on page A1 of Tuesday’s Anchorage Daily News. She’s hardly a credible author. Time and again she has insulted veterans. She was fired from employment at MSNBC for saying to a paraplegic veteran, according to Coulter, “people like you caused us to lose that war.” She has recently insulted Max Cleland and John Murtha, and has accused John Kerry of inflicting his own wounds in Vietnam.
“The book which your article promotes through such prominent placement is now being investigated for plagiarism. She is being investigated for felony fraud in Florida in a separate case. These facts could have been researched before you printed the Associated Press article so prominently.
“Where have your editorial standards gone? I could imagine the Voice of the Times promoting this slut, but the Daily News? Good grief.”
2. Jamison Foser’s article is GREAT! I was cleaning out a pile of books yesterday, and there was Brock’s _Blinded by the Right_. It may be time to re-read it.
3. Is this recipe thing becoming a regular early Saturday morning FDL ritual? By the time I get up here in Alaska, it is over, and I’ve got a few choice recipes to share.
recently on CSpan2’s BookTV I watched a fascinating discussion of obituary writers — including the writeup of Jeffrey Dahmer’s mother who raised a homicidal homosexual cannibal son. Maybe Mother Rove was prescient about her offspring?
The Pettiness of King George.
Bush denies disaster relief to Iowa tornado counties.
It couldn’t be to deny Governor Tom Vilsack(D) money to help the needy in his state of Iowa.
http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..=Printable
-GSD
Jurismark, glad to see you are writing your Congressman. I have heard that individual letters, faxes, and phone calls sometimes get thru the radar and get to your rep.
However it is most likely that his staff will read and respond to your letter. I have three items of feedback for you, overall I think it is a well-reasoned and effective letter.
(1) It’s too long, I think the staff will glance at it to summarize whether you are pro or con.
(2) It feels a little personal attack-ish. Talk about ideas and that you have common ground wanting this country to be run right, rather than saying he’s a coward not to vote like his predecessors. Yes I know you didn’t use the word coward.
(3) The lack of response to your previous letter is a problem. They should at least acknowledge your contribution, if you are a constituent. You might followup with a phone call in a few weeks if they don’t respond again. If the staff feel the letter is too hot they might put you in a category where they don’t respond.
Disclaimer–I could be totally wrong about all of the above points, and am just a political amateur. Just my thoughts for your consideration.
ET I think Christy said the recipe thread will be open all day.
motherlowman, happy birthday.
Progressives want more truth and less truthiness, this is true. But we also want more substance and less “what color sweater did Al Gore wear yesterday” fluff and “how often do Hillary and Bill fuck” luridness.
Put another way: tell us why we workers are doing so much worse today than we were a generation ago. Tell us why terrorists are flying planes into our buildings, who they are, who sponsors them, etc. (It amazes me that five years after 9/11, most Americans have no idea what Wahabbism is. Our ignorance is what fuels misadventures like Iraq and prevents us from responding effectively to 9/11.) Tell us why drugs and health care cost so damn much and who is losing out. In short, enough with politics-as-a-ballgame reporting, and more with information that actually informs. PLEASE. To quote Jon Stewart, “You are hurting America. Stop it.”
Gang — Jane’s mom has had to go back in the hospital. We’re going to need some patience over the next few days, since Jane will be travelling to see her and deal with things. And if you could see your way to some thoughts, prayers or whatever it is that you do in this situation, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
By the way. Bush/Rove have lost a talking point recently.
Iraq can’t be “abandoned and turned over to Abu Musab Al Zarqawi.”
As a matter of fact, what better time to leave. The insurgency is on the run, they are running out of funds, they have alientated their allies and they know they are done with.
Use those Al Qaeda/CIA talking points memos against Bush and Rove.
How about the fact that Al Qaeda and the Neo-Cons both want a war with Iran?
-GSD
God, why won’t these Democrat PR companies drop Bob Shrumster and his loser ilk and hire the FDL back-bench.
They’d save money and win more.
Coz’ 95 -
Point taken, but I do not speak for the MSM. My take on “It’s a number” was my own. And I stand by my interpretation of Snow’s motive in deflecting the question. That fact that stuff morphs through iterative/recursive MSM recountings (e.g., Brian Unger) is their problem.
What egregious said at 98.
Please.
All good thoughts to Jane and her mom, Christy. Please let us know how/if we can help them and you more directly.
I’ve been trying to get people I know who are active online, but in other types of communities, such as livejournal, engaged. Basically, I’m asking people who don’t normally comment about politics to do a simple post about Net Neutrality, as it seems to be an obvious fit.
As of yet, no takers, but I’ll keep on trying.
I’m also wondering whether it’s worth it to try and get sites such as Television Without Pity on board. Entertainment-related sites that aren’t corporately controlled, I’d imagine, could be hard-hit by the loss of net neutrality.
What other issues would be a natural fit within other online communities?
My healing thoughts to Jane & Mom.
Christy, beyond praying for Jane’s mother, how can we be helpful?
Showing patience for getting blog problems fixed…making extra donations to cover her travel costs…watching comments to keep the thread civilized…being kind to guest bloggers, since we may have more guests if Jane is away.
Other ideas people?
egregious, I appreciate the feedback. I wanted the letter to be tough and uncompromising, because we’re dealing with issues of life and death here, both of our troops, and Iraqis, not to mention the political life of the Democratic Party. So, my calculation on this was to be firm and as tough as I hoped he would be. And I wanted to show that he’s way out of step with what’s expected.
As to the length, yes, I probably could have cut it back a bit. Blame the lawyer in me. ha ha
I also have done congressional staff work, and have a sense of how they choose what to deal with. They are most concerned with negativity from the hard core base. That’s what I tried to show that I was part of.
I sent the below in an email to Jane, Christy and Pach minutes before Christy posted this entry. It’s my suggestion on the media.
“After participating in your Republican rubber stamp campaign by sending several stamps, and in the Crashing the Gate effort by donating a couple of books, I was both thrilled and surprised that the campaigns had an effect on the political process far exceeding expectations. It was brilliant political theatre.
Jamison Foser’s Media Matter four part series notes that many right wing diatribes get publicity because right wing politicians carry their books around prominantly, and talk about the ideas in them in the media. Peter Daou and Digby have also had brilliant commentary on the MSM, and how their storylines help Republicans. They, too, note the seminal role played by the media in keeping Republicans in power, and blighting any real debate of issues by featuring right wing books and their authors, while ignoring progressive books and their authors, and in advancing their storylines almost exclusively.
My suggestion is to use your book campaign idea to attack the media problem. Like with Crashing the Gate, we could send a copy of Lapdogs to every Democrat in the House and the Senate, with a note asking them to read it and to carry it with them openly. They would be asked to display it at media appearances, and to comment on it whenever possible. If just a few of them do it, Lapdogs will get more of the publicity it deserves, and the media could be (perhaps………sigh) affected. We could follow up with a campaign where we could have Lapdogs handed personally to various journalists, with a personal note to them either praising their work, or pointing to their inadequacies.
In six months or so, we could do it again with Eric Alterman’s book, What Liberal Media? just to emphasize the point.
We could also put together a master media link site, and gather the excellent blog entry links that discuss the media into one place. The media site would also have contact information for all media sources, serving as a one stop action center regarding the media for the progressive community. Several media articles could be featured daily, with the contact information of the offending journalist and/or publication handy. It would also have a listing of media blogs. While this is quite similar to Media Matters, it is a bit different because it would also gather the other progressive media critics together by links, including FAIR, Alterman, Daou, Digby, Eat the Press, and the Daily Howler, along with relevant independent blogger entries, and focusing on the best offerings of all of these.
I’d be happy to attempt to jumpstart the first campaign by agreeing to donate 30 copies of Lapdogs. Moreover, I’ll attempt to lasso one of my sons (both of whom are whizzes with computers) to assist in setting up a media website (although I can’t promise to get their help), and would agree to help monthly to defray the cost.
I confess to being a lurker (posted only twice) on your site, having been drawn there by the Plame series, which contains the best legal writing on the case I have yet read. In truth, I have been energized out of my lethargic despondency by your grassroots efforts, and hope to be part of inspiring more folks to action.
In any event, thanks for giving hope and truth in a time of despair and propoganda.”
Anyone with me?
Gotta bolt.
If anyone hasn’t seen this Colbert interview with Congressman Westmoreland from Goergia, it is brutally funny.
How could people this obviously stupid get elected?
http://movies.crooksandliars.c…..reland.mov
-GSD
I am right with you TiredTexan #119.
Started reading 50 simple things you can do to fight the right that was part of our Ykos packet. I am going to take items out of the book and use it at our DFA meetups. Then I am going to get copies of the book and send it to our local Air America Hosts and urge them to use it.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..nworld-hed
If each and everyone one of us did one thing a day, think of what we can do.
GSD,
from what I’ve observed, Rep. Westmoreland may be one of the brighter Republicans in Cobb County.
Funny thing about lapdogs… the canine variety… despite their “nouveau fashion accessory” image, people have kept them around for as long as we can track back. By the point in prehistory when DNA can identify Dog as separate from Wolf, our human ancestors were already cherishing undersized neonatal specimens that certainly never earned their keep as hunting partners. Many of today’s most refined designer breeds (maltese, toy ’spaniels’, pekinese, Italian greyhounds, shi tzus, chihuahuas) can be identified in mosaics, ceramics, and textiles going back for centuries. The earliest surviving “Beware of the Dog” plaque (from Pompeii) wasn’t to warn off intruders — it was to remind friendly visitors not to let the family’s lapdog out of the villa and into the dangers of the public thoroughfare. Obviously lapdogs offer people something more than the occasional meat meal. What exactly they offered tended to revolve around the dual roles of personal alarm and private comforter. A lapdog can’t protect a human physically, but they can raise an alarm that will alert every other human within earshot if their human is threatened. And they offer a lot of small personal amenities, from vermin killing to serving as extremity-warmers and arthritic-joint comforters. The argument could be made that today’s media “lapdogs” have actually failed to fulfill their self-assigned duties. They may still be a psychological comfort to those parts of their audience that don’t want to be challenged, but they haven’t done much to warn that audience about the intruders who’ve been stealing our treasury, destroying our homeland, and raping the Constitution in the name of security. If certain members of the press choose to be lapdogs, shouldn’t they at least have enough self-respect to do a REAL lapdog’s job?
“When we will reach 3,000″
Well we’re losing about two and a half per day- so about 200 days from now.
cbl:
Would some of my FDL elders like to explain to me why the Dems ‘plan’ does not mention Iraq ?
is it b/c it’s such a tragic, overwhelming mess it doesn’t lend itself to sound-bite ready talking points ?
To be charitable, I would guess three reasons:
1. The plan is meant to be a consensus base that all Dem candidates can agree on, and they don’t have a consensus on Iraq.
2. It’s meant to address the “positive agenda” aspect, and while those of us here might consider bringing the troops home part of a positive agenda, it would likely be perceived as an attack point instead.
3. While the majority of the country thinks the war was a mistake, that doesn’t mean a majority in every district does. I have little doubt that most candidates will be talking about Iraq in a way that works in their state or district.
Fundamentally, the Republicans can be largely unified on Iraq because they’re willing to lie about it. The fact that we’re not, on this as on many other issues, will always be a handicap. But I think it’s worth it.
(Oh, and your point about a sound bite is also well-taken. That’s another thing that’s easier to do if you’re willing to flat-out lie.)
New thread up top, gang. Howie is talking about NYBri’s candidacy for the State Senate in NY. :)
Thanks for the update Christy
Thoughts and prayers for Jane’s Mom and her whole family.
cbl–Iraq
Well there’s the perfectly safe stuff to say about Iraq, It was a big mistake, it has been mishandled, thousands of lives and billions of dollars have gone down the tubes- etc. I’m surprised that dems didn’t include some of that.
Of course if they start talking about Iraq- the Rove question will be: “Are ya gonna cut and run?” and they don’t have an answer to that question.
If they come out as a national party in favor of immediate withdrawal- they will undercut their own candidates in many congressional districts. Many will run on “give em a deadline”- but many are in districts where that’s too radical.
Of course there’s always the question of what’s really the best thing to do- but that’s pretty much and academic question since no one is going to do the best thing for the next two and a half years anyway.
By the way- what is the best thing to do?
My gut tells me that we’re making things worse by our presence and the sooner we get out- the sooner the Iraqis and the middle east community can put out the fire- but I couldn’t really argue that point convincingly- and neither can the dems.
A variation on immanentize’s pecan pesto:
shiso/watercress/pecan pesto
2 cups shiso leaves
1 cup watercress leaves
1 or 2 garlic cloves
2/3 cup pecans
1/4 cup pecan or walnut oil
1/2 cup olive oil
salt to taste
(I’ve done this recipe with pistaccio nuts and sesame oil instead of the pecan stuff)
My variation on Bobby Flay’s Tequila-soaked salmon recipe:
1 Copper River Sockeye fillet
2/3 cup salt
1 cup honey
1 &1/2 cups fine tequila (agave)
1 can smoked chipotles
black pepper to taste
Mix the salt, honey and tequila until the salt is dissolved and a mixture created. Blend or chop the smoked chipotles. Spread 1/2 of these on the bottom of a glass bread loaf dish or 8″ x 12″ glass baking dish. Lay the fillet on the paste. Spread the other half of the paste on top of the fillet. Pour the tequila mixture over it. Place a ceramic or stone weight on top of the fillet to assure it gets permeated with the mixture. Refrigerate for 36 to 48 hours.
Take the salmon out of the refridge and rinse the fillet in running ice cold water until all the goop is removed. Pat dry and slice paper thin.
Serve with whatever salsa you like (goes best with Flay’s black bean & mango salsa) on 1/2 of a deep fried taco, with my cilantro/avocado guacamole.
Good vibes to Jane’s mom.
What has made an enormous difference in how news is reported is apparent, if one will only look. Consolidation of media has given fewer people more clout (note, for example, what a 17% stake in Knight-Ridder accomplished–it busted up what was one of the better investigative reporting teams in print publishing by forcing the company’s sale). The right-wing megaphone is powerful–look at the recent study on how often right/center/left think tanks are cited in the news.
And reporting is burdened by those forces. How many times does a story not get followed up, or a follow-up question not get asked, because the reporter either gets censored, because someone’s been upset by a story, or self-censors because he or she knows it will upset someone–particularly a source of revenue, such as an advertiser.
That’s always been with us, to a degree; it’s just worse now than it was in the past, precisely because of the vertical integration Robert Parry describes here:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/061606.html
And, it’s what bloggers are upset about. Most people blogging about politics depend upon MSM reporting. They don’t like it, but they don’t have much choice–they don’t have the resources–either in terms of money or sources–in many cases, to do reporting themselves, although there are notable exceptions.
Progressive bloggers are exceptionally sensitive to reporting that smells bad, and they aren’t afraid to say so, and this is what has gotten a lot of names in the news upset. Leaving a lie, for example, to stand as counterpoint to the truth without noting it as such seems to be the sin most commonly complained about, and yet even the likes of Jim Lehrer won’t admit that reporting should point out the obvious lie, if the object of reporting is to fully inform the public.
That’s how far the non-commercial public model has drifted from its original charter, precisely because of the intrusion of commercial interests and the dependency of that model on government funding which has been subject to Congressional whim.
Parry’s complaint is worth reading, because he does get to the crux of the biscuit. You can’t report the news without money.
I think most bloggers, even if they don’t understand the details of it, still intuitively understand the problem. They want the news providers to change their ways, but also know they won’t. That’s frustrating. They know the news is incomplete and full of shadings meant to avoid conflict–particularly with this administration. They know it, because they can figure it out from what is reported.
Maybe what I’m getting at here is that bloggers may simply be wasting their time in trying to get commercial news to do the right thing. I’m not saying that they should simply give up on taking news outlets or individual reporters to task for sloppy or disingenuous work. That ought to go on, as usual. Places like MediaMatters.org are essential to the process.
But, what they should be doing, if not on a day-to-day basis, then week-to-week and month-to-month, is developing ideas amongst themselves and the people they know in their communities about how to create effective competition for the news sources which now dominate, and how to fund that competing news source.
In a way, what’s happening now in the blogosphere is addressing the symptoms, along with some efforts to promote better candidates. But, if the problem is systemic, all that is just treading water. At the heart of it all is a badly-informed public and a news media that intends to keep them uninformed. Fix that, and a lot of the other systemic problems go away.
GSD #120 – Appreciate the link – and your plaintive question: “How could people this obviously studid get elected?”
I grew up in the south – it seems so long ago.
Allow me to suggest the invincibly ignorant Dixiecrats embrace of Rethuglican Congressman Westmoreland’s last name most likely benefited him…confusing him with U.S. Army General Westmoreland.
Sigh.
Skipping through the comments and recipes to post first, cuz I’m outa time already and the thread is long gone anyway.
One of the things that struck me about YKos is that, in effect, it was a conference for and about writers. Each blogger’s style is different. Some write like novelists, some like journalists but all are effective communicators or people wouldn’t read them.
So we already have a big leg up on the competition, who, from the few comment threads I’ve been able to stomach at some of the better known sites, are mostly incoherent when challenged to think. We can think and write at the same time.
I read Robert Parry’s plea for funding at Consortiumnews.com. He’s absolutely right. We need to build the infrastructure NOW – think tanks, media resource centers, etc. – or it will be too late for ‘08. I urge y’allo to go read his post and do what you can. He’s one of the few reporters around long enough to have a Bush Dynasty institutional memory.
I wear my Firedoglake button everywhere now, hoping some fellow FDLer will notice.
I’m a middle-aged mom, soapmaker and aspiring writer. I’ve been around the liberal side of politics all my life (Thanks, mom and dad, for teaching me so well). My dad was press secretary to one of the great California Govs., Pat Brown. He was editor of the National Journal many years ago, when we lived in DC. He told me just before he died that he was glad he didn’t have to live through the Bush years and that Condi was in way over her head and she was gonna do something stupid and to watch my back. He also told me he stole $2 million in “meat substitute” from the LA Times and buried it under an overpass in a town near SF and that I should go dig it up, drive it to Arizona and throw it over the fence of his former boss, who would know what to do with it, so I didn’t pay enough attention to him then. I thought he was channeling Carl Hiassen.
In my town of 35,000, nestled in the foothills of the San Gabriel Valley (Dreier is my rep), we few (we thought) stalwart Dems started a Dem club in our mostly Republican town. within a year we had almost 200 members, as they came pouring out of the closet to proclaim the need to turn things around.
Our town has a history of non-partisan citizen activism. A few years ago we put together a coalition to pass a tax measure so we could buy property in the foothills that was slated for development. It passed overwhelmingly – 75% – and was the talk of the state. During this whole push there was not much talk about political parties though when it comes to state and national politics, we’re overwhelmly red.
I’m greatly encouraged that probably 25% of our new club members are former (soft)Republicans
who pay attention to the world and are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.
I’m writing my first novel, which takes place in West Virginia (I was thrilled when I found out ReddHedd was from WVA) and involves mountain top removal mining. My husband and I met white water rafting (he’s the best guide ever) and had a rafting honeymoon. In three years, our permit for rafting the Colorado
through the Grand Canyon will come up.
Now, here’s a recipe guaranteed to clog your arteries:
Preheat overn to 375
Nan’s Mexican Pepper Casserole
Custard:
beat together
4 large eggs
1.5 cups sour cream
Peppers:
6 med. green & red bell peppers
1.5 cups thinly sliced onion
2 TBS. each olive oil, butter
3 med. cloves crushed garlic
1 tsp. each salt, cumin, coriander
.5 tsp dry mustard
.25 tsp each black and red pepper
2 TBS. flour
.5 lb. med sharp cheddar (Cojack is nice)shredded or thinly sliced
Slice peppers into thin strips. Heat butter and olive oil together in heavy skillet. Saute onions, garlic with salt and all spices.
When onions are translucent, add peppers. Saute over low heat about 10 mins. Sprinkle in flour and mix well, saute until there is no extra liquid.
Butter a deep casserole. Spread half the saute topped with half the cheese. Repeat layers. Pour custard over all and sprinkle wit paprika. Cover with foil, bake 40-45 minutes, uncover for the last 15 minutes.
Sometimes its hard to start these conversations with strangers and during casual encounters without coming across as a nut. I’ll talk to people that I meet and they come up with a meme that comes straight out of right wing talk radio. It’s all I can do not to take them by the lapels and shout right into their faces “Wake up and look around, you fucking idiot!
Just making sure everyone knows there is a new thread. Egregious thought there might be a hitch in the giddy-up.
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hecky durn! I was going to do one of my razzle-dazzle HTML show-off NEW THREAD comments but Redd has it covered … oh well
Democracy Now with Amy Goodman on LinkTV is my major news source. Real reporting with context, full length interviews, I’m so glad I get this station. Unforunately I don’t think enough people are turned on enough to watch this broadcast. Mass media has no class. I find those stations rather disgusting with there host in a bitching contest with their guests.