
I wrote a comment the other day in response to some questions about Arianna. It completely baffled Byron York and the wingnuts, which I found both telling and amusing. This was what I said:
[Arianna and I] have the opposite response to celebrities – I don’t enjoy being around them, I don’t cultivate them as friends and I go out of my way to never mention them but I understand why she does. She’s managed to use her celebrity contacts to create a very successful site that has become important in the political discourse. When Fitzgerald was trying to keep Judy Miller in the clink he cited Prof. Geoffrey Stone of the ACLU writing on the Huffington Post. I don’t know that a lot of people remember that but it was rather landmark. Do people go to the HuffPo because Geoffrey Stone is there? No, they draw big traffic because John Cusack and Alec Baldwin and Harry Shearer are there. But Arianna uses that to provide a platform for important thinkers like Geoffrey Stone who in turn have the opportunity to have greater influence and a bigger audience than they otherwise would.
We do something a bit similar. Atrios says Plame is like porn and it is. We get our big traffic from it, that’s what people love to read about. We use that big traffic to do our series on racism and war profiteering and labor that otherwise probably wouldn’t get much traffic at all. I don’t care if those posts get 10 comments, we’ll keep doing them and they can (and have) begun to impact the consciousness of the blogosphere. I think that’s the responsible thing to do.
I think there’s value in what Arianna does, and it’s not just celebrity chasing. When you talk with her it just isn’t something she mentions, she’s much more preoccupied with stopping the war any way she can. I’ve never had a conversation with her about movie stars, I’ve had plenty about how to influence politicians to get us out of Iraq. She’s a very savvy marketer in being able to use her gifts to leverage political influence and I respect her tremendously.
Now to be fair to Atrios I think he said that about the Plame case when it was a piece of unsubstantiated speculation (something along the lines of "Hadley has flipped," but don’t quote me) but my larger point remains. People love this story. I love this story. I would love to do nothing but sit around all day, read through documents and piece things together like a giant puzzle. I think our enthusiasm for the story is genuine and infectious and that’s been one of the reasons for the popularity of the site.
But the notion that someone would build a site that people wanted to visit seems utterly alien to York:
Related to my piece today about the Plameologists and their fixation on the CIA leak case, I just saw a brief posting by firedoglake founder Jane Hamsher that sheds some light on that site’s emphasis on the Plame matter. Defending Arianna Huffington against accusations that she places too much emphasis on celebrities, Hamsher writes that the Huffington Post and firedoglake use similar strategies to attract readers.
It’s a "fixation" we use to "attract readers." Yes, it’s called capitalism. Free enterprise. The opposite of wingnut welfare. It’s what happens when you create a good product and people show up so advertisers want to pay you so you can keep the lights on. But Byron isn’t the only one at the NRO unfamiliar with the concept.
Says Rich Lowrey, hat in hand:
Because—let me be frank here—we lose money. NRO is a loss leader. And here’s what’s unfortunate—the print magazine is a loss leader too. We are surrounded by loss leaders. If we ever have ideas to further our mission, they are guaranteed to be loss leaders. If your business needs advice on how to develop a loss leader, come to us. We have it down. I assure you we can help you start to lose money almost immediately. It’s our specialty. We have been doing it for 50 years and hope to keep doing it for many more.
That last bit isn’t quite right. We’d prefer not to lose money. But there is something to the opinion journalism business that makes it inherently unprofitable.
Remember that the next time they want to lecture you on their "fiscal conservatism." They’re privileged, white upper middle-class twits who want the right to shovel shit nobody wants to read and then be paid for it quite handsomely. They’re unwilling to compete in the free market. Always asking for a handout, expecting someone to take care of them.
The NRO quite proudly represents the party with their hands on the purse strings. No wonder the country is swimming in red ink.
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Murtha!
Friday catblogging!
http://atrios.blogspot.com/
Pach! Rootz!
Fitz! And can I just say, great post!? I love the respect for others that is demonstrated time after time on this site. It is so not one-size-fits-all.
“NRO: Keeping the socialism in National Socialism since 1956.”
Rats, my turn to be immoderate.
OT – murtha on cnn now
Jane,
Your description of what Arianna is doing at the post and the way you leverage the Plame scandal to get exposure for other, less sexy, but extremely important issues is so breathtakingly smart, I’m just glad I’m on your side.
…Harry…
…enjoyed this posting, what you do is incredibly important…in the end it changes stuff for all of us…thank you Jane
plame may be the porn… and i confess that’s what brought me here. but what i stay for is the roots.
Jane,
“a somewaht popular blogger” would say you’re his Peggy Noonan
this is intellectual welfare, when all this cretin has to do is check your posts for his insta-columns
Byron uses a ‘girl’ for training wheels
Wingnut welfare. God bless you, Jane.
They turn everything on its fucking head. It used to be a point of pride for the networks’ news departments to be loss leaders–an imprimatur of journalistic integrity. Now it’s all about the Benjamins for TV and print, while the echo chamber persists only because of the money that keeps getting shovelled in.
Wow, Jane, you tied that purse up from a totally unexpected direction and nailed a really interesting point I’d never considered. Succinct and on point and happily a propos of nothing in particular.
mommybrain
left you a gossipy snippet downstairs
Jane,
Don’t let the bastards grind you down! You speak the truth–and you speak it very, very well.
Love,
bicmon
All these posts from visitors to YKOS – not participants, tourists – make it so clear they really have no idea yet what’s happened. Shhhh! Let’s not tell them. The one who I thought got it most right was the reporter from the LV Sun who wrote about YKos (he said Stirling Newberry is our guru, though. I love him but don’t think of him that way…yet).
When I was volunteering with a river preservation group, Friends of the River, many years ago, our most purist members ragged on us about using our celebrity contacts to raise money and awareness in Los Angeles. “But it’s antithetical to what we believe!” they whined. But when they had the chance to have a fundraiser with no celebs, they also raised no money. When in Rome, kiddos…
al-Scooter – do it moderately
(Hi BYork!)
Great post! But why did you head it off, so to speak, with a picture of Neil Bush in Camo?
Personally I would not describe the Plame story as “like porn” because that can sound disrespectful to Joe Wilson’s wife. But I do see Jane’s larger point:
“We use that big traffic to do our series on racism and war profiteering and labor that otherwise probably wouldn’t get much traffic at all. I don’t care if those posts get 10 comments, we’ll keep doing them and they can (and have) begun to imact the consciousness of the blogosphere. I think that’s the responsible thing to do.”
I agree with that argument.
p.s. i just gotta say it… both jane and arianna are brillliant, and i’m so glad they are on our side.
jane (and christy and pach), many many thanks for all you do. i don’t say it enough, but i think it every day.
That is the deciderer in his disguise the other nite as he entered the green zone.
NRO is a loss leader. And here’s what’s unfortunate — the print magazine is a loss leader too. We are surrounded by loss leaders.
It makes me think of them as the Losst Boys of NeverneverlandReviewOnline.
Another great post, Jane, on one of my favorite topics: FDL!!
My love letter to FDL:
Dear Jane, Christy, Pach and all the guests (including TRex, Jordan, Taylor, MattO and on and on and on)
I know that there have been a number of posts/comments over the past months about why this is such a great place at which to hang out. The XX to XY posting balance is certainly way up there. Also, the recent addition of Pach on the roots work is just so present and exciting that its like watching change happen in real time.
But another key factor here is the seriousness of the posts — both in topic and in depth. Many high-traffic sites do not have many in-depth posts in a week, let alone every day. By your amazing output and broad range of topics, yYou feed my need for analysis and information like no other space.
This spurns readers to post serious comments. Then, it brings in readers not only to the front paged materials but deeper into the comments to see what else people are saying. Once there, people discover the amazingly wide range of voices and experiences and skills and humor and interests. So develops a worthwhile community. It is like the best coffee house I ever visited: with fabulous conversation amongst great interesting people hanging out for a long time or ducking in and out for a quick cup of enlightenment.
Long may this site run so that I have a blog place to get my brain triple shot latte.
Love,
Immanentize
Sooooo…..
Who actually pays for the wingnut drivel at NRO?
re the photo – looks like chimpy thought they said sneer sacker instead of seersucker.
Lowery:
“But there is something to the opinion journalism business that makes it inherently unprofitable.” Yeah, the WRONG-HEADED opinion journalism business, shit-for-brains!
Why do these guys make it so easy to mock them? Do they love the torment? Jane?
Uh, yeah. I come to Firedoglake for the articles…
Yeah, that’s it.
The articles…
And, Jane, with all due respect, Arianna allows me to link to my political imagery -because- it is not spam but visual commentary. My individually linked pages are intended to encourage thinking through imagery.
Anyway, I do agree with your analysis. Firedoglake and Huffpo leave indelible marks of different shapes. This is where I come for critical analysis.
immanentize 25 — thanks. That was lovely.
Jane you are great, and FDL is such a gift.
Hey Byron as I told you gloating is very ugly. Now hurry get to that fax machine Babs may have next weeks plans coming thru as you’re reading….LOL
Jane,
“If we ever have ideas to further our mission, they are guaranteed to be loss leaders.”
The epitaph for Georgie-Boy – The Loss Leader!
I second that, Mad Dogs!
I’m gonna tear a page from the wingnut book and climb all over Immanentize’s love letter as if it were my own
it’s effing perfect imm
what imm said Jane !
Do ya wonder what they use as a defintion in NROland of “loss leader?”
When he goes on to say:
Pricey advertisers don’t naturally flock to small-circulation magazines . . . as the follow up to the “loss leader” self-description, I have to wonder. Not that I question their ability to lead to lossnessland, but more from that retail/free enterprise aspect.
Jane and Arianna have the “loss leader” concept nailed with Plame and celebs – loss leader = something that is widely sought, provided at a cost/form etc. that makes it very appealing to get you in the door. Then you shop through the rest while you’re there.
OTOH, with war is peace approach to neoconservatism — I guess they ARE a loss leader. ;-)
bicmon @ 1:30 pm (#16) – Or, as they used to say in Rome rectumi non carborundum ;-)
CNN – more “progress” in Iraq. Another soldier killed and 2 unaccounted for.
This is a very interesting phenomenon that college courses could be (and should be) built around. Why is it the entire right wing media empire is built on subsidized outlets? I’d add the Washington Times and the garbage scows full of bulk book purchases to Jane’s examples. It’s outright communism if you ask me.
Liberals may not be able to come to agreement on much without having public fights, but at least we seem to understand the concept of free market capitalism. Liberal ideals have nothing to do with money, so if there is money it’s a happy coincidence. The conservative-cum-republican ideology seems focused on the grubbiest chasing of personal wealth. It’s like a group of Star Trek’s Ferengi—money above everything, including family. The wealthy liberals and progressives tend to be self-made, whereas the wealthy republicans tend to be trust fund heirs or crony capitalists. Or outright crooks.
Does Lowrey even know what a “loss leader” is? At your commercial bank and on the financial pages, it means that you’re selling something below price for the sake of attracting more customers for other kinds of business.
But NR and NRO aren’t doing that. No, NR and NRO just looks like a plain ol’ “dogs“–businesses losing money every which way.
I can see why torture-is-no-biggie Byron York wouldn’t be fussy for attracting mainstream readers in any kind of appreciable volume, though.
For those of you who aren’t Digby regulars, tristero IMO hit this one over the scoreboard and into the parking lot.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
Hopefully that broken windshield belongs to Unka Karl.
We use that big traffic to do our series on racism and war profiteering and labor that otherwise probably wouldn,t get much traffic at all.
They got loss-leaders, you got win-followers.
about the founding and funding of NRO: the Buckleys started National Review during the Cold War with money from their Latin American petroleum holdings (Pantepec Oil, etc.)
Have we all seen the latest fecal droppings from the Turdblossom?
They want to marginalize the net roots in a bad way.
“The Internet for the Left of the Democratic Party has served as a way to mobilize hate and anger — hate and anger, first and foremost, at this President and Conservatives, but then also at people within their own party whom they consider to be less than completely loyal to this very narrow, very out-of-the-mainstream, very far Left-wing ideology that they tend to represent.”
-GSD
cbl – responded, too, downstairs. Lost where I saw your comment about meeting meeting the towering FDLers – honestly, the most amazing thing is you know them already, ain’t no big diff in person.
FDL – the ladies, pach, Trex, Matt O. (kisses, honey), Taylor, digby et al; and the flip, our community – what would I do without y’all? Oh, that’s right, get some work done. Imm, you say for me, too.
OT Just catching up on old threads, the ic terrorists forced me to go get napkins Cujo. Between the ics and the ists, we won’t be a free country until we find some acceptable prefixes!
Ditto to Imman’s letter. I just loved Lowery’s piece too, especially where he Maothed world movement imagery and said that it was ok for people to enjoy the fruits of the labors of others for free. Amazing that they don’t bury The Econmist.
Do they keep track at NRO of which wackjob there is the leading loss leader from month to month or week to week? Do the losingest loss leaders get bonuses?
I’m really a lot happier here in the reality-based world…….
You get readers in part because the prose is a joy to read. I only look at Time or Newsweek when I’m waiting in a doctor’s office and–gad–what an awful stylebook they write out of. I almost think it’s generated by computer. When I happen across The Economist, on the other hand, it is at least pleasurable to read, even if I disagree with a large swath of their politics.
As far as the Plame Affair, it is interesting to read mainly because it is such an intricate mystery with all the legal manoeurvering and such. I long ago digested the ramifications of the broader tale, which in essence does not differ much from any other high crime and misdemeanor committed by this Administration. But writing on the meaning of “sealed v. sealed”, or the spread pattern of birdshot for that matter, gives a welcome pause from what are perhaps weightier issues. It is not that racism or war profiteering or labor cannot be interesting. It is more that I think we are all overburdened by each outrage du jour that occasional relief by some levity or some unravelling of a mystery is welcome. Of course, the more humiliating to the Bushites, the more salacious, the more petard-hoisting the better. What happened to those hookers anyway?
The other reason I like this site is because of the comments: The proper balance between snark and earnestness, and not troll-infested.
GSD#44….Yep I saw them, they are stank aren’t they?…imagine Rover upset by anger and hate? LMAO
GSD – that was my thought, too, when I saw his quote this morning. He’s going to fight hard; we should, too.
Jane, it’s your passion that brings me here — i love it when you skip the pc bullshit & go straight for the jugular
I was a little iffy on the HuffPost, but after reading this I agree – more power to Arianna. It’s like James Brown said in the case of hot pants: A woman’s got to use what’s she’s got/ to get just what she wants. There should be no disgrace in leveraging Hollywood to affect politics. The Republicans just act like there is because its one of the Left’s real assets, and they don’t want us to use it. But the Right feels no shame tapping its industry friends in Colorado Springs and Houston.
Jane,
Just sent you an email regarding LJ and a comment I posted in defense to all the incoming wus complaints/attacks he is taking.
Am I sick…a patriot…or both?
I come for the Fitz porn, I stay for the Fitz footnotes.
My complaint with HuffPo – and I probably didn’t express it adequately in my original comment – isn’t even so much the celebrity snogging as the lack of Quality Control there.
I mean, Exhibit A: Sheldon Drobny – tax accountant by day, Fitzgerald expert never.
immanentize at 1:34 pm – I’m not a very active participant, but I come here daily for all the reasons you’ve enunciated. Well said!
Or, as George Bush would say, “Touche!”
Where does the arrogance of radical right wing reporters come from? It can’t be because of their investigative reporting. It can’t be do to their penetrating insights. It cannot have anything to do with fulfilling their responsibility to the American people. It can’t be because they are trusted figures of the Murrow and Kronkite mold. So what exactly feeds their arrogance when writing and the smirks on their faces when they are on television.
It comes from, regardless of any other consideration, the feeling that they are on the winning side. Backed up throughout the mainstream media they sell the RNC talking points and government propaganda, knowing that any criticism of their manipulations will either not appear in the media or appear once and then disappear. They feel invincible with the major publishers, television and radio broadcasters, and big business on their side. They care not about principles, integrity, honor, the Constitution or the rules of law. All that they care about is being on the winning side. They are perfect candidates for fascist propaganda. After all, isn’t everything about them?
IIRC Jane’s original comment was buried in the netherland of a Late Nite post. It is interesting that a conservative commentator is that avid a reader of Firedoglake. Who knows maybe he will learn something lurking about. I usually do.
The National Review used to be a great magazine. While I didn’t always agree with the content or the people who wrote for it, the magazine was always thought provoking, intelligent, and clear in devotion to the conservative principals it espoused. It also had a depth of thought and research that was admirable.
Unfortunately, it is a sad shadow of what it once was. And now it is just another neo-con mouthpiece for the Bush Administration. I’m not sure when the decline happened. Maybe during the 90’s when it jumped onto the Troopergate/Whitewater/Lewinsky bandwagon. Certainly hiring Jonah Goldberg, Lucianne Goldberg’s son was a low point. Jonah, who often posts opines against books, articles, and speeches that he hasn’t even read. Maybe it’s the deadly combination of York and Lowry, two kool-aid drinking shills for the Bush administration. York and Lowry, who spent most of the 2000 primaries smearing McCain, an actual fiscal conservative. It’s sad, really. I would guess that William F. Buckley left out of sheer embarrassment.
Mary @ 1:41 pm (#36) – I thought that one important part of being a “loss leader” was that it made other parts of the enterprise more profitable. In NRO’s case, I’m wondering how the term applies …
Jane:
Keep on writing smart, to-the point posts. I enjoy every one of them. You’re a role model for what people who are concerned about this country should be doing.
This is the best way to change the political landscape!
I work in the film business and I cringe every time Arianna drops names or talks about her clothes. Your point is very well made of why she does it and how that helps to reach the mass audience. It’s also reflected in the comments of the readers which I find absolutely hilarious.
However, the best reader comments are on FDL and at the end, this site is about substance.
FDL rocks; it keeps me sane and informed! I have a lot of respect for what Arianna has done with her talent and her contacts.
CNN just had wolfie having to fact check yet again because he was being mono-rethug-brained and disputatious wrt to Bill Clinton’s poll numbers. Yep, they were at or above 50% even with the impeachment caca. He fact checked Begala, and then said– Paul’s always right.
Then he showed Bolten playing the bass at the the ro-de-o with his sunglasses on! Are HIS sunglasses ok, preznit? They were singing a Bonnie Raitt song– wonder what Bonnie thinks about that??? Oh, and wolfie had to tell the audience (as he smiled indulgently), that Johnny rides a Harley.
blech
Good point, Hugh — they are reading VERY carefully, aren’t they?
Wow, great post.
Came for the Plame, stayed for the great site and community.
You caught me! I’m only here for the porn *g*
Cujo359 59 – how about “loss loser”?
W, the Loss Leaderer
Lobstergirl 52
I come for the Fitz porn, I stay for the Fitz footnotes.
footnote fetish?
OT (somewhat): Fresh
pornPlameology at Needlenose … did Rove throw another Novak under the bus?anon @ 1:57 pm (#58) – One thing’s for sure, none of these new conservatives remind me of Buckley or Safire, or even George Will. They seem to be completely unfamiliar with how the world really works for people who aren’t rich, and have little use for logic or research.
I like FDL quite alot, but I would say it is quite chatty in the comments and bordering on cliquey.
Kos has its heavy hitters but I don’t sense the cliquishness that seems to be developing here.
TO also has some very good writing in the comments, but again a bit cliquey.
Having said that the headline posts are usually top quality and very thought provoking here on FDL. I am a big fan of Jane and Red’s heads.. i mean the gray matter therein.
My goodness. Pass around the Kleenex!
You honor us with your presence, your engagement, and even your passionate disagreement.
This is the funniest comment thread ever.
Cujo157 – I don’t go there enough to know, but from the links here and elsewhere, I have a feeling that they may own stock in Paul Mitchell on the side.
c @ #55, I think the reason right wing journalists have their arrogance is that they truly believe they are defending Western Civilization from Barbarians. They believe they are maintaining a tradition going back to the Athenian city state. They think Liberals are heathens, and that their values are responsible for our problems. They think they are modern Platos and Aristotles, like their hero Leo Strauss.
twolf1 @ 2:00 pm (#65) how about “loss loser”?
:) Appropos on so many levels …
Iran meets with China and Russia in bid to join SCO.
Not so much isolation going on with Iran and the next two largest world powers.
Heckuva job.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/n…..33,00.html
-GSD
Valid comparisons between FDL and Huffington Post can be drawn. For me, here is the difference: I think Huffington is a good site, but I forget to go there unless somebody on FDL posts a link or mentions a story. So I signed up to get an e-mail from Huffington every day as a reminder to check it out. In the case of FDL, I don’t need any reminder to come here.
Re Arainna… it is an unfortunate fact of life in america that celebrity gets attention. ICK. At least Arianna is usually saying the right things these days… and…she gets them heard… we can cut her some slack on her love affair with the trappings of fame.
I prefer the Jane Hamsher approach… she write with a knife!
Not to the point really, but I thought you could use it…. a rendition of Hail to the Chief: http://video.google.com/videop…..5801760929
NRO admits it’s a loss leader — we’ve always known it: who in her right mind can stomach bill buckley’s self-infatuated drivel?
but nyt & wapo get subventions that take the form of articles & columns prewritten by governmental flunkeys & appearing under the names of the papers’ reporters & columnists — bill keller, during the run-up to the invasion of iraq, had a column that was written by the white house — tom friedman had one as well — one reason why tom seems to be critical of bush these days is that he’s no longer getting a free feed — judith miller’s the outstanding example: although nyt had to defray part of her travel expenses — at wapo we see the subvention showing up through the writings of the public editor & through some reporters who couldn’t pay their way online
Punaise @66:
footnote fetish?
If the shoe Fitz…..
no, I’m not going to finish with the Johnny Cochran thing….
I agree with the takes about QC issues on HuffPo. Trollfestation galore. Seems like a lot of paid trolls, too, whom I call prolls. Interesting to me is the dreadful quality of postings by right wingers and corporate hos like Michael Smerconish, Joe Klein, and Mike McCurry, who are quickly cut to ribbons, then they whine and whine about how meanly they have been treated by the bloggers. My, but they hate dissent from their underwhelming attempts at cleverness and insightful commentary.
So the NRO loses money but somehow Lowry et al. get paid. Wonder if the GOP is subsidizing them in exchange for their carrying the water for the partisan hacks? BTW – when I read Byron York’s post on this matter, I had a Ronald Reagan reaction “there he goes again”. Let me say this as simply and plainly as possible: York is a serial liar when it comes to PlameGate. But then he is a serial liar when it comes to most topics as that is the primary requirement for writing to the heavily subsidized (by the GOP) NRO.
Terrific post Swopa at 2:02, thanks.
Now I feel even better about forking over $50 to FDL yesterday.
As an ex-public radio executive, may I indulge in a brief pledge break and remind FDL’s reading audience that it’s an amazing thing when even 10% of consumers using a resource like this ever contribute, even where the non-contributors consider themselves raving enthusiasts?
If you’re using but not contributing, why not mosey your mouse upward and rightwards to the appropriate links?
Ok, so you concede that there are worthy topics–”racism,” “labor”–that the free market won’t sustain. Therefore you need to lure people in with profit-makers like Plame porn and celebrities. But you think that when National Review skips the cheap sensationalism (by and large) and accepts losses which are picked up by wealthy donors who believe in the core ideals, that’s a bad thing in principle.
Have you thought through the larger implications of your point? What does the quality of, say, the evening news, or USA Today, tell you about what free market forces do to media? And before you scream about rich Republicans, do you think there aren’t privleged white rich kids working at (truly noble) foundations funded by people like George Soros? And what about The Nation, Mother Jones, the Atlantic? I’m fairly sure they all lose money. Aren’t they all disgusting perversions of the market, mainly staffed by pampered white kids? Should we excoriate them? (Or just the places you don’t agree with.) You’re making an argument I don’t think you really believe purely out of malice.
McKinney will NOT be indicted…just in from the Wolfster on CNN
jurismark @82 – have you seen the articles about paid trolls at cybersoc or peterrost? some troll commenters are paid by the word! Just like VNR’s. New opportunities abound in the loss-leader job market.
gc wall 55, Right! The Big Rubber Finger Wavers, I call them. “We’re Number One!” Yee haw.
OK, what else they got? Ideas? Noop.
CNN – grand jury declines to indict cynthia mckinney
Over the many months I’ve made recurring paeans to FDL, Redd and Jane, and the community, so I won’t get too gushy right now. I might get all verklempt.
It does bring to mind a broader question: in my consciousness the center/left blogosphere came into being* largely as a way of countering the Bush-Shit that we suffered under since 2000. What will become of us when they’re gone?
….pause….
as if we’ll ever be able to say “Mission Accomplished” and rest on any laurels. When Dems re-take control we’ll still be here to hold them accountable. And continue the pushback on wingnuttia and the media.
*not trying to launch a historical debate
Jane – I hope you don’t mind but I paid a tribute to your economic insights over at Angrybear. We economists stand humbled by your ability to explain the economics of the NRO so clearly!
Ditto…Swopa great post at Needlenose…..I think your speculation may be right on…
Per everyone else, and as usual, well said immanentize.
Bill:
you think that when National Review skips the cheap sensationalism
Does York really, truly, actually skip when he does his Plame pieces?
Interesting visual.
mommybrain@ #87, Indeed I have. It must account for why there is a hard core of them at HuffPo and elsewhere that seems to work in shifts, and pass the baton to each other at regular intervals. Same takes, same mentality, and one would have to be paid to repeat the same drivel for months on end.
So, I wonder whether this McKinney non-indictment will trigger another round of high-level discussion at chez Aravosis?
more Friday cat-blogging!
punaise, laughing so hard at Loss Leaderer.
Visual images hit me: W in lederhose, singing Strauss lieder….
DefJef at 2:03 pm – the cliquishness that seems to be developing here.
Not to be overly critical or defensive, but as I already mentioned upthread a bit, I don’t comment here a lot. But never have I been made to feel like an outsider when jumping into the conversation, (provided I have something useful to add, of course), which tells you not only something about why I post so infrequently, but also why I find the FDL community so attractive.
Bill Berry #85
Was there a point in that sticky thicket of rant?
margot – Loss Leaderer, Hosin’ us since day one.
It’s a “fixation” we use to “attract readers.” Yes, it’s called capitalism. Free enterprise.
Poor Byron’s been shilling for corporate socialism and daddy-state conservatism for so long he actually didn’t recognize your free-enterprise activities even after they bit him on the ass.
Classic.
.
Something’s going on… wolfie and Jamie McIntyre will not leave the thing alone about the 2 missing troops and 1 dead in Iraq…
Nobody ever tells us anything usually; just Stephanopolous and his silent death scroll on Sundays… Is it okay to talk about death and MIA now that the House has expressed its undying support for the war/occupation/disaster?
And everybody’s at a picnic.
Margot – SNORT! Leaderhosen?
angie 104 – I am, I said.
BillR@85 – guess you don’t read here much, or you’d know one of our chief complaints is what market forces have done to media. Oh, and you forgot Harpers, a non-profit. They’ve skipped loss-leader entirely!
Can you imagine Lowry and Byron the dork going out Fridays after work for their 2 for 1 frozen raspberry Margarittas at TGIF’S and giggling over their weeks worth of steno work from Babs Comstock.
Hee, Mary and now for a giant admission– I love Neil Diamond’s old stuff.
I also want to thank you for your insightful posts wrt Gitmo yesterday.
Bill Berry @86:
Ok, so you concede that there are worthy topics–”racism,” “labor”–that the free market won’t sustain. Therefore you need to lure people in with profit-makers like Plame porn and celebrities. But you think that when National Review skips the cheap sensationalism (by and large) and accepts losses which are picked up by wealthy donors who believe in the core ideals, that’s a bad thing in principle.
Have you thought through the larger implications of your point? What does the quality of, say, the evening news, or USA Today, tell you about what free market forces do to media?
But there’s a big difference between Plame “porn”, which in actuality is not some glossy, frivolous story but of course has to do with many very serious issues about truthtelling, warmaking, legalities, executive power, espionage, the separation of powers, etc. etc. etc., and some dipshit story on the evening news like “Doctors say chocolate improves your sex life!” In no way, shape or form can the CIA leak case be described as cheap sensationalism.
But you do make a worthy point about all the other publications that lose money. I don’t know much about the economics of magazine publishing, but certainly the New Republic could never survive without being bankrolled by Marty Peretz, (Mr. Anne Singer of Singer sewing machine fortune), nor Atlantic and National Journal without being bankrolled by David Bradley.
Mary, yes, leaderhosen, lol.
Punaise, ribs can’t take this. So glad I quit smoking, now I don’t wheeze when I read comments and laugh here.
It’s a joy, I tell ya.
Punaise 97 – Friday cat-blogging
Here’s my guys:
here
and
here
Bill Berry #85:
Each of the moderators here has a track record of success in the private sector.
I’m not intimately familiar with the bios of everyone at NRO, but even WFB himself never actually had to work a day in his life to support himself. There’s nothing quite like being lectured about free markets and the glories of making money by a bunch of quasi-intellectual moochers who couldn’t make it, you’ll excuse the expression, off the Dole.
Troll-la-la-la-la…
angie @ 2:26 pm (#105) – In the Rolling Stone interview, Murtha said that U.S. service people are now being killed at the rate of four per day. The only other metric I’ve had is The NewsHour’s “honor roll”, when they display portraits of the servicemembers who’ve been killed recently. They seem to be getting longer recently.
The four per day figure is staggering, though, and Murtha says it’s been increasing since the end of combat operations. If things continue this way, we’ll pass three thousand before November arrives. I wonder if Tony Snow’s trying to come up with a better phrase than “it’s only a number” when we hit that one. He’d better have.
We’ve been getting a Leader-Hosing since Chimpy stole his first election
punaise, I’ll see you a Caesar and raise you a Kong (my dear quat, as represented on a dear friend’s blog).
I feel like I’m watching a western and the bad guy dressed in black has just arrived and the town folk are wondering where the marshall is.
Bill Berry, porn is so alluring, because it uses the the primary symbols of reproduction. All humans are interested in reproduction. Jane in my opinion was being magnanimous and humble in referring to Plame as “porn.” Plame is a real battle with enormous consequences. Again what Jane, Christy, emptywheel, Waas, Jeff, PollyUSA,….. and others have done is to translate the battle into terms that the rest of us can understand. For example you cannot understand the Battle of Gettysburg without understanding the political context, the first Day at Culp’s Hill, the second day in the Wheatfield, the Triangle, Devil’s Den, and Little Roundtop; and the third day, Pickett’s Charge. That’s just an inaccurate extremely high altitude view of a few of the high points of the greatest battle in U.S. history that left 50,000 U.S. dead on both sides.
FDL’ers trust Jane, Christy and the others posters they select to tell the story of Plame in real time much as Matthew Brady captured the Civil War. I’m not sure if History will accord Plame as much attention as Gettysburg, but the WH used Plame to destabilize the entire Middle East, so it might. That’s what makes fdl, Kos, tnh, needlenose, HuffPo, …. such valuable realestate. We know time spent here is better spent than in the competing news organization. Nothing is stopping the traditional media from doing their job. Markets, however, reward “first movers.” Once people find something they like, they tend to stick with it. As the Plame story reaches a climax, and then begins to wind down there will be other stories to take its place. People will still come back to fdl, ….not for the “porn,” but because we trust the analysis.
twolf1 – way too cute, those symmetrical kitties
Veuillez ne pas alimenter les trolls
al-Scooter, that’s an interesting point. Although it would be hard to establish that the NRO guys *couldn’t* make it off the dole, as opposed to just not having actually done so. In fact, I think it’s the case that a lot of journalists–especially opinion journalists–could make *more* money doing other things, but sacrifice pay for interesting and fulfilling work. (It’s true however that some of these guys, like Lowry I assume, have made great $$ off their work. But then doesn’t that undermine your theory that they are free-market failures?)
Bill @ 85,
We don’t begrudge NRO its financial support. I think the point is that (unlike Mother Jones) NRO’s base ironically consists of putative free-marketeers.
Progressives like diversity of viewpoints. In fact, we think it’s essential to a healthy democracy, and should not have to depend on the vagaries of funding from wealthy individuals. It wasn’t us who killed the Fairness Doctrine…
ralphbon – Catskills
twolf1
Your cat links don’t work for me (I’d like to see them)…maybe it’s just my lousy wireless broadband…
I’m still not sure if, when NR skips sensationalism, it looks more like this:
http://www.parenthesis.co.uk/i…..ipping.gif
or this:
http://www.iskip.com/kimcorbin.jpg
I’m also very disappointed to find out about the Plameporn. The things I don’t know about porn must be even a thicker file than I thought – is there ALWAYS someone who looks like Karl Rove?
Margot 111 – we aim to fleas
*ilson,
What was you just sayin’? Couldn’t understand it. I had a mouthfull of pizza.
BillBerry#123….two words fer yer;
Maureen Dowd!
Here’s where I am confused, though: if the progressive blogosphere is the “next big thing,” how come so few of the writers and analysts assigned by TradMed get it? Except for thinking they’re gonna get run down as we try to take their seats on the bus, and fundamentally misunderstanding the market economics of free-standing, advertiser- and donor-supported, unsubsidized blogs, there’s really been very thought out there yet about WHAT THIS IS.
Except, of course, for Rove’s “anger and hate,” and that’s silly projection that anyone covering YK knows won’t fly.
For people who are very good, generally, at labelling and categorizing, they seem unable to put blogs in a box.
Mary, stop watching Karl Does Kansas.
Gotta run to see my boy perform in the year-end show, but before I go I thought I’d share one of my Friday afternoon stops on the internets:
http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/
(sorry, Jane, for being so OT)
i wish they had one of these for every city.
ask Punaise about the French — I ain’t no Babelfish !
*ilson is asking to please refrain for feeding certain critters.
It’s amazing what Jane and Christy have built here.
For people who are very good, generally, at labelling and categorizing, they seem unable to put blogs in a box.
. I think that that maybe a little generalised.And I say that because Blogs can be so different. Some are owner operated, one way streets. All out put, no input.Some have comments, some don’t. Some blogs, like this one, have multiple posters with tremendous feed back. This is why, I think, They can’t pigeon hole the blogosphere. It’s like trying to pigeon hole an entire city full of people. There are just too many of us .( which is awesome if you think about it).
Bill #121:
Only way to find out if they’d make it in the private sector is to get them day jobs and see how they do. I own my own company, but I’m afraid I don’t have an opening for Jonah just now. If yours does, it’s OK – you saw him first.
Thanks fer the transleration.like I said yestiday, Fresh outta troll kibble.
btw, the puppies here are now all Democrats — they’ve opened their eyes !
Rob@ #136, I concur. I’ve followed this site for a couple months, and am impressed with the high quality of material and analysis of issues important to me. The legal analysis has been especially valuable with respect to the Plame matter. I’ve only recently begun to make comments here, having done much more at HuffPo in the past. Call it my flight to quality.
neurophius 124:
try these:
http://www.wolfblog.net/images/IMG_2241.jpg
http://www.wolfblog.net/images/IMG_2227.jpg
Bill Berry @ 2:14 pm (#85) – Let me summarize John Casper’s point above. Jane’s reference to porn is an analogy, as in “Plame is to FDL as missing white girl porn is to CNN”. That doesn’t mean it’s equivalent to porn, other than in its function of drawing people here to see other things. So now re-examine your argument and I think you’ll see it falls apart.
Oh, and OkieByAccident makes a great point, too. Jane’s pointing out to all those “free market” advocates at NRO that she’s managed to be successful in the free market, while they’re being subsidized. Next time we talk about the death of the equal time requirement in broadcasting, keep that in mind.
Mary 125, omg, still laughing. Definitely the second, imo!
Mary 126, Yes, and he’s usually wearing only black socks.
GSD at 43
Was reading that comment from Rove and thought his emphasis on the word ‘progressive’ was a taunt.
Made me think he covets the ‘branding’ and is threatening to turn the term against the ‘netroots’. The whole thrust of his speech was ‘the netroots are undermining the democrats, smart Dems should stay away.’
al-Scooter @138, I”m sure that Jonah, Byron, and Rich could get jobs as assistant managers at SmarmCo at their Van Nuys outlet.
*ilson,
Your French is excellent. Even if I don’t follow it.
I thought Bill Berry had a really good strawman in #122 moving from the supposition that conservative commentators could make more money elsewhere (no evidence given) to the assumption that they have and then declaring this undermined the opposing argument. Of course, it is precisely their notoriety which places them in a position to demand big bucks. If they were unknown, it is doubtful that they could make it on the quality of their ideas. No, being a shill is not enough. For them, you must be a well known shill to get by in life.
Sorry punaise, I’ll try to stop.
IMO, blogs are just part of the natural segmentation of the News/Media market.
Markets naturally tend to segment. Ford built the Model T, one size fits all. Almost a century later, the vehicle market continues to segment. Lawyers, used to be just lawyers, now we have all different kinds of specialization within the law. Bill Gates stole an operating system with a gui interface from Xerox and sold it as Windows for PC’s. Now, a lot of non-PC’s need gui operating systems that Windows cannot really handle.
Sophist,
Divide and conquer.
One of the great things about FDL is that Jane, Christy, and all of the other posters actually interact with the commenters, respond to the commenters. Not always the case, at other places.
Although, I have to say, I come here primarily for the cat pictures and the recipes.
Jane’s reference to porn is an analogy, as in “Plame is to FDL as missing white girl porn is to CNN”. That doesn’t mean it’s equivalent to porn…
The proof — no one responded to my mention of a Plame post up above by saying, “Got anything harder?”
twolf1 @ 2:33 pm (#111) – Are they litter mates? Their markings look so much alike.
Jane, you rock absolutely. I think the dweebs and incontinents so cosily situated in their comfortable “think tanks” and “journals of opinion” have lost hold of the fact that words have meanings and consequences associated with them. That ideas have real-world correlatives.
I’m sure Byron York could define capitalism if you asked him to. But you demonstrate with such gorgeous clarity that he wouldn’t know the thing itself if it waltzed up and ran its fingers through his hair. Like all his tribe, he’s apparently never, personally, had to deal with it, and seems to lack the ability to connect the idea with the reality, even when it’s right in front of him. (He had the chance to grapple with this at YKos. Shame it didn’t take.)
Fantastic post, among many others.
Cujo359 151, Yes they are litter mates. they were born across the street as alley cats but now live the life of luxury ;)
twolf1 140
Thanks for the links. Nice-looking cats. I’ll have to show them to my wife, she has one black-and-white but loves every one she sees.
Not sure how my posts are usually taken, I have a tendency toward tinfoil, but I’m grateful for the commentary and perspectives.
An observation only has ‘meaning’ (in the math geek sense) when it is shared between perspectives.
I’m neither a seasoned political commentator, nor legal eagle. I spend most of my days managing web-servers and firewalls, but I have a great appreciation for the seasoned and varied interpretations to be found here.
I’m pretty sure it was the Plame case that caught my attention amongst other antiwar readings and led me here.
jurismark #145:
I thought the Van Nuys SmarmCo was torn down for a 60-screen theater complex. But then, I don’t get out the Valley as often as I used to.
twolf1, thanks for the Tuxedo fix. I lost my tuxedo cat while I was at Kos. She was the best.cat.ever.
#85 ‘If you’re using but not contributing, why not mosey your mouse upward and rightwards to the appropriate links?’
Thanks for reminding us, temporarily anonymous. I just put something in the jar.
I try to give regularly to good causes, concentrating on the neediest cases. Jane, Christie & Pachacutec don’t seem needy, do they? They seem powerful. But, hey, they gotta go to the supermarket just like us. Like he said, ‘mosey your mouse upward and rightwards’.
Here’s where I am confused, though: if the progressive blogosphere is the “next big thing,” how come so few of the writers and analysts assigned by TradMed get it?
Insularity.
Any business has norms of behavior, both professional and cultural. The TradMed has heard complaints of liberal bias for so long, they don’t even realize they’ve become mouthpieces for right wing propaganda.
The other factor at work — much of the lefty blogosphere doesn’t know what it’s about. While most of us are pissed off about the atrocities of the right wingers and their TradMed stenographers, channeling that energy into constructive outcomes is still an elusive goal.
One example is the latest Ann Coulter outrage.
The blogosphere is making a big mistake, focusing our invective on Ann Coulter. She thrives on it. She’s living proof of the old adage, “there is no such thing as bad publicity.”
The right wing co opted the TradMed by browbeating it into submission. The AC corollary for us: we need to excoriate the producers and hosts that book Ann Coulter. When Matt Lauer fears for ass being reamed out because he accepted an AC interview, then we will make headway. Make the media feel pain for giving Ann Coulter air time — then they will stop booking her.
Anyway — it’s like Kos said; this is a nascent movement, and we are still finding our way.
The roots project is a good long term goal; the rubber stamp republicans was effective political theater. The Alito blog swarm served notice that we have power, and that we can affect the process.
This is not the beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning; we are a movement that is just being born . . .
mommybrain – sorry for your loss. losing a pet can be like losing a family member. We grabbed the two guys in the pictures a few months after our 16 year old cat passed away.
twolf1, love your kitties!
Is this old “news”? I hadn’t heard about it. From Kurtz’s column -
the Van Nuys SmarmCo- hmm is that near the intersection of Van Nuys and Sepulveda?
Cujo359, I understood Jane’s point. I’m just wondering what’s so awful about someone who doesn’t feel the need do the sensational stuff in the name of attracting readers, and then hoping to force the substantive spinach down their gullets. If you want to argue the conservative-free-marketeer hypocrisy case, fine. But Jane’s point seemed a fair bit broader.
And Hugh 147 I’m talking about journalists generally, not just conservatives. I’m not going to spend an hour digging up numbers, I would confidently bet that if you looked at the educational backgrounds of journalists at the better outlets in America, you’d find that they were earning less then their equivalents in other professions. Journalists are generally well-educated. Well-educated people tend to make money. But journalists generally don’t make a lot of money.
al-Scooter @158, When I last checked, it was on Sepulveda, near the intersection with Sherman Way. That should tell you something.
while we’re on the topic of cats:
http://www.horsesass.org/index.php?p=601
http://upper-left.blogspot.com…..5072125042
For these guys, the primary attribute of capitalism is the trust fund, either their own or those of their patrons.
Mommybrain- you mean while you were at YKos I assume? Oh, I am so sorry. Those critters can break our hearts. Punaise had to deal with this back in Dec.
Oh yes, when making an argument requiring numbers, one certainly wouldn’t want to have to spend an hour digging them up, would one?
okay, I’m done. Kibbles back in the box.
okay, I’m done. Kibbles back in the box.
Lmao.
Okay, seriously,- as former and sometimes Valley Girl, what is SmarmCo? Obviously I’ve been away too long.
We follow the Plame investigation because it has all the elements of a great opera with half the racket.
V G,
I thinks it’s main competitor is Snarkco.
Bill Berry,
“Cujo359, I understood Jane’s point. I’m just wondering what’s so awful about someone who doesn’t feel the need do the sensational stuff in the name of attracting readers, and then hoping to force the substantive spinach down their gullets.”
The “sensational stuff” (Plame), as you put it is inseparable with the Iraq invasion and the bogus case made for it (sixteen words in the SOTU). Yep, that’s pretty sensational, no?
Hey! I thought you were going to the littlebrain’s show! What are you still doing hanging around fdl? Thinking about all the brains this week, hope you’re doing okay….
au contraire, Thesaurus Rex, it has the drama elements of a grand opera but is entirely all racket and disharmony ! We are still awaiting to find exactly who has been singing too…
twolf1- oh! I had always assumed the “cat killer” thing came from some kind of approved research enterprise, for which there are very strict ethical guidelines. Not that could do that kind of research. But, assuming this is true, the guy really does sound sick.
Bill Berry @ 3:09 pm (#164) – No, it really is that simple. Plame != sensationalism. The FDL women have done terrific analysis of this story. That’s what drew people here and continues to. Why we stick around is all the other stuff. That’s not “sensationalism”. If NRO doesn’t have a main theme that brings people in, that doesn’t mean they don’t resort to sensationalism, either. So either way, your point is sophistry, and nothing more.
VG and jurismark:
FYI, you might enjoy this Valley blog by Kevin Roderick, a former LAT journalist and SFV native:
http://www.americassuburb.com/
I follow his companion blog, L.A.Observed continuously. He’s a good guy.
ditto to so many of these comments~I came for the pictures (and irony) and stayed for the writing and analysis. And may I add, the delightful lack of EGO.
The fact that these folks use capitalism as their battle cry does not mean they understand it, want it, or support it. They want control and they beleive that they deserve it. They think they’ve “earned” the outrageous wages.(I swear every time I heard someone in a corporation say that I want to vomit into their throats and wake them up to reality.)
I think you are on to an important point that repubs have been trying to hide-we are not a capitalistic society-we just say we are……
There are certain stories I call “audition stories”, stories that are so exciting that they bring in new readers. After the story has died down the readership spike will go down, but if the news organization has done its job, the over all level will remained raised.
Mainstream newsmedia has flunked a whole series of audition stories, the Clinton Presidency, impeachment, 2000 election, 9/11, Iraq war, etc. The Plame story is in a catagory all of its own, because of their complicity they can’t cover this the way it should be covered. The Plame case was made possible by crony journalism. For lefty blogosphere the Plame case has been an “audition story” and clearly for many readers several blogs have passed audition and will have readers long after this story.
Bill:
what’s so awful about someone who doesn’t feel the need do the sensational stuff in the name of attracting readers,
a) what is the proof, other than Lowery’s “we [loss]lead a world movement” that they do not engage in the “sensational stuff” particularly when, uh — the same “sensational stuff” Jane writes about, York writes about, and
and then hoping to force the substantive spinach down their gullets.
b) what is there to prove NRO actually has any spinach (unless Tribbles and Spinach are in the same family?) and what is there to even begin to prove that ANYTHING at FDL gets “forced” down anyone’s gullet????? and ?
As to:
If you want to argue the conservative-free-marketeer hypocrisy case
Personally, I think you are going wayyyyyy far on the limb to frame it as a hypocrisy case. Lowery seemed for too clueless for mere insincerity to be at play and I thought Jane was offering a trail of breadcrumbs. As someone who is appropriately using a free market related model to make information available in a high traffic setting.
fwiw
Busted- that’s exactly why I was wondering if it was near the intersection of Van Nuys and Sepulveda.
VG, twolf1, thanks. Gotta have a strong heart to love all the pets. We lost three this year – dog, cat, rat – but loved the hell out of ‘em while we had the chance.
Lobstergirl, I hadn’t heard that the Fristfils had such lovely extracurricular activites.
mommybrain – …and you, no doubt, gave them a good, easy life. Our pets own our homes, they just let us live with them.
Wingnut welfare has been around for a long, long time. To me, it’s recognizable at least as far back as the ’30’s when Westbrook Pegler was Roy Howard’s pet poodle spouting anti-New Deal nastiness. I’m sure Hearst had his toadies as well, but was more of a DIY sort. The expansion of the media has made more opportunities for wingnut welfare as there are more outlets and they all must be filled with corportatist, neofascist tripe peddled by the cynical and amoral that populate our airwaves and press. Crap like NRO will never die, no matter how unpopular, as there will always be a right-wing sugar daddy that needs to pimp his line to the public, and more than enough whores to write it for him.
Valley Girl
Are Van Nuys and Sepulveda parallel?
Dogs have owners — cats have staff …
al-Scooter- well, I can’t exactly say I “love” the Valley, but my mother still lives there (house 3 mi. from the epicenter of the NR 1994 quake), and that’s were I grew up.
Woof.
As long as we’re gettin’ all syrupy and sentimental here, don’t forget when Jane STARTED this blog. While the rest of us were still licking our wounds and crying in our beer over the 2004 election shellacking, Jane was out there getting this thing off the ground (not that anyone noticed until months later). It’s not just what she, Christy, Pach et al do every day, it’s Jane’s long term vision for our cause and her genius in getting it accomplished. Brava, Jane.
Are Van Nuys and Sepulveda parallel?
in some evil universe somewhere…
Neurophius, last time I checked a map, yes.
Valley Girl
ROFL
Yeah, I really feel like I am eating my spinach when have to read Matt’s war-profiteering essays, or Trex’s “lost” wankette notebooks, or Digby’s celebrations of the FDL community. And let’s not forget the tedium of the Joke Line Late-Nite series! How I dreaded that punishment every night for a week….
Frightened in their bootsies, peeing down their legs. Terribly afraid the scary big-girl bloggers are on to something they don’t understand and their masters might not fund.
Bill Berry –
I’m just wondering what’s so awful about someone who doesn’t feel the need do the sensational stuff in the name of attracting readers
There is nothing wrong with that — but you are not describing NRO.
The right wing media is loaded with dittohead porn, of the terrorist loving left wing liberal traitors variety. There was a comment a few days ago about a Byron York article — the basic text was okay, but it looked like an editor had gone through and sprinkled it with lefty bashing invective.
In fact, the MSM has become so sensitized to “liberal bias” criticisms, they have inculcated with right wing sensibilities and don’t even notice the right wing bias woven into their narratives.
As for journalist pay scale, it’s all a function of supply and demand. Lots of folks want to be in the business, so employers can pick and choose who they hire for pittance wages. And once hired, journalists learn quickly that they need to toe the corporate political line, or be shown the door. Those who get on board the right wing talking head merry-go-round move up the cocktail weenie pay scale; those who don’t are cut loose.
One of the primary functions of the blogosphere is to push back and restore “fair and balanced” reporting to newsrooms that have tilted heavily to the right.
What a great post!
punaise 194 – hey, where is EPU these days?
Vg…163
Van Nuys and Sepulveda Blvd. Man that was a long time ago for me. Like in “Surf City, Here We Come”. We were the ‘terror of Colorado Boulevard’. Good memos. Though.
Final note: Plame wouldn’t actually, IMO, but the “sensational” story without the outside and extra analysis that FDL, EW, Swopa, etc. have brought to it. MSM knows all about sensational stories that it can hype with no effort and Plame is a passing thing with them, no again off again, with appearances by…
The nitty gritty detail that is never in the sensationalized 2 minute segment on CNN, or that is not spelled out in The NOte’s references to the GJ meeting, etc. – those are why they get an audience. If NRO did a bit more on explaining operations and context, and less on mouthing talking points, they could have a “sensationalized” (in the sense of well and thoroughly explained and discussed) story any time they want.
But expositive writing and Rovian talking points don’t mesh well. As long as they stick to being administration mouthpieces, they have the drawback that the thirtysecond soundbite approach requires an abandonment of discorse and a definite video/audio bias in its presentation. IOW, they are an unnecessary counterweight when there are such other outlets and their existence becomes primarily a function of being able to be presented on the other media, particularly TV, as an additional talking head to re-mouth the talking points.
That’s how they derive value in a Rovian approach. From that analysis – they are loss leaders. Not for their print punditry, but for the creationism aspect of their print work giving the televised outlets an additional source of framers for the talking points.
I do really think that this overanlyzes though. THe bigger question remains – were you talking rope skipping or “to their loo” skipping?
I was attracted to FDL because of the great writing by Jane and Christy. And, I stayed because of the very high level of commentary among commenters here (not that I’m doing so well myself today, but it is Friday) and the general friendliness and willingness to educate each other and learn from same, AND Jane and Christy’s willingness to draw a firm line about what constitutes acceptable commentary. The latter is very important to me.
Brilliant, as always, Jane. The GOBS & GOGS – good ole boys and good ole girls – are driven mad by smart, fearless women they can’t control nor dare ignore. They think we’re all whores & bitches. Especially beautiful dames.
You and Reddhead (and Arianna) are the real deal and grow increasingly influenial and enrich the netroots beyond the GOBS/GOGS wildest dreams.
I’ve been a fan of Arianna’s intellect and wit since slogging my way through grad school and stumbling across her biography on Picasso. Then as now, in my view, no other biographer has even come close to her (then faintly praised) classic contribution to the History of Art and ole PP in particular.
The Friends of the Stowitts Museum & Library hosted Marcos & Jerome during their Spring CTG tour and hope to snag Glenn Greenwald in the happy event he makes a California coast book tour.
I’m just shamelessly sayin’ you dynamic Ladies of the Lake would be treated like rock stars if the Friends could somehow lure one or both of you to our beautiful Monterey Peninsula. Your work speaks for itself and need not be in book form.
and the history of art. And yeah, she possessed considerable wit and style way back then.
RIP Cesar and Lola, our best (and only) cats ever
“gutter cat”
Lola
Cesar ….
punaise #194:
Are you sayin’ Van Nuys is evil? Or would that be Sherman Oaks?
One of the primary functions of the blogosphere is to push back and restore “fair and balanced” reporting to newsrooms that have tilted heavily to the right.
precisely so
Joke Line is on CNN talking about the good things that are happening in Iraq.
Joke Line says bush has had a “jaunty week.”
I always thought it was known as marketing
I am not sure that I see the analogy between FDL:Plame; HuffPo:Celebrity.
If Huffpo’s cult of celebrity simply related to their bloggers, I might believe it, but it seems like half of the ALLEGED news stories are celebrity related too, and I don’t see how the marketing idea relates to the carrying of celebrity wire (or other sourced) stories.
But that’s me.
I plead ignorance. Who is Joke Line?
I guess mocking a blind guy is “jaunty.”
There have been recent EPU sightings, IIRC.
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al-Scooter 206
Are you sayin’ Van Nuys is evil? Or would that be Sherman Oaks?
just the ravings of a NoCal homey…
rememembr this one?:
alligator lizards?
Mary Ann:
Joe Klein, phony media “liberal”
leslie at 200, we have seen EPU from time to time recently, and have benefited from the Universe’s wisdom on legal and political matters.
If you include TRex, fdl has its own verb, adjective, and universe. I defy other blogs to beat that.
mommybrain at 87, some troll commenters are paid by the word!
Well that explains our Constant commenter then. Once it was my turn to dive into the deep right, so I went over to his/her site. Words by the thousands. I read them all, trying to understand what was the story.
I had been thinkin’ meth addict, and that’s still possible. But paid by the word?
When I did music gigs I used to ask to be paid ‘by the note’ :)
Joe Klein
Jane,
Errrmm, don’t have time to digest whassup. But please don’t feel the need to cater to the corporate sycophantic “media”. I could go on and on about how they’ve been co-opted and whored themselves out. … Another time
Keep doing what you’re doing
And Mommybrain, you’ve got mail
L8r
The Onion takes a swipe at YKos. linked from Dkos.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49403
EPU, wow – merely invoking your name causes you to appear. Who knew?
punaise 213, I always loved the alligator lizards, despite (or perhaps because of) the fact that they made no sense.
Onion: other than the 30 minute book publication ala Glenn, that list was LAME.
Challenge: come up with better entries than the Onion did. Any takers?
Hi Lucie!!! Are ya’ behavin’?
lobstergirl at 109 nor Atlantic and National Journal without being bankrolled by David Bradley
I know David, he is losing buckets of money to be socially conscious. A true labor of love.
Challenge: come up with better entries than the Onion did. Any takers?
egregious: You may be looking for joke entries, but here’s a serious one:
“Brilliant analysis by People for the American Way director Ralph Neas on how if we don’t stop the next radical right bush appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court, the country is going to be seriously screwed for the next 30 to 40 years.”
Lieberman’s 1988 Bear ad updated LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..&eurl=
TRex- would you post a kitty pix again? I saw one a long time ago (I think I did), but didn’t save it. Now I save all the kitty pix.
Law of the Jungle:
Kill or be killed, eat or be eaten..
Law of Politics:
Define or be defined.
York seems to be having some problem with politico’s stock-in-trade. Rover has it down pat.
Hey all, give a shout to Lucie! Alter ego of a dogged commenter here. Woof.
punaise #212:
They don’t really fly…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N…..tor_Lizard
And with that, I’m driving across So Cal thru getaway-night traffic to serve coffee and donuts to a hunderd or so people who’re even more ancient than I. Happy Friday, ‘pups!
thanks Al, you’d better scoot
OT Anybody following Josh Marshall’s posts about Lieberman’s disastrous new attack ad against Ned Lamont? http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Looks like Holy Joe is self-destructing out in public where everyone can see. I’m linking to the main page because there are several posts and you really should scroll down and read them all.
OT: Mark Crispin’s open letter to Salon. Ouch!
One word: meritocracy.
–Dan
Jane, I just read your post but haven’t read through comments, so forgive me if the point was already made.
I lurked here for a long time, as have many, picking up what I could about the CIA leak case. It wasn’t until the series on racism, though, that I felt compelled to un-lurk and actually submit comments of my own. You are exactly right – you draw lots of people here to FDL, and shedding light on other vital issues is the responsible thing to do. FDL does it their way, HuffPo does it their way, but they’re both working to impact the consiousness of the blogosphere.
Jurismark, welcome! Do comment more often! I agree with your assertion that far right authors and bloggers think they are doing something NOBLE and true. Hence the frequent use of Latin, if not Greek, phrases.
LOL. Kos put up an artist’s conception of the upcoming Lieberman / Lamont debate:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..184313/163
c’est vrai, egregious !
LindyH– OH!!! Thank you for posting that link to the Crispin article. I read the first bit, and scanned the rest, but I am going to give it a close read. I just wanted to respond before I got EPU’d. This is such an important issue! I was surprised/ shocked? that after all of the excitement among commenters about the RS piece, that so many said “Oh well, that’s that” after the Farhad Manjoo piece appeared a Salon. It looks like Mark Crispin Miller shreds Manjoo!
Ummm…loss leader…that implies that the organization has other profitable products that make up the difference. Stores use loss leaders to get you in the door so you’ll buy it and hopefully other more profitable products. It implies a deliberate marketing plan to price a product below cost to attract business.
Money losing businesses are not loss leaders.
NumberFour- delurk more often!
non blogging life called
and I missed FDL cat blogging ?!?!? rats !
*ilson, you have pit puppies now ?
Ralphbon, punaise and twolf – loved all the kitties – we have a sink kitty too (miguelito)
Money losing businesses are not loss leaders.
usually they are simply called bankrupt … sorta like the policies NRO advocates
Into EPU territory.
I wrote a comment the other day in response to some questions about Arianna. It completely baffled Byron York and the wingnuts
Jane, with all due respect for your wordsmithing, it isn’t actually very difficult to baffle Byron York and the wingnuts, is it? ;)
6 pitpups … want one? free!
Me, I read FDL for the articles. Pictures are so declasse.
;>)
‘Oh, we’re the boys in the chorus,
We hope you like our show,
We know you’re rooting for us,
But now we’ve got to gooooooooo….’
Sophist at 155, Not sure how my posts are usually taken, I have a tendency toward tinfoil.
No problemo. We have your full range, from everything is mostly fine to OMG the government lied about the war to 9/11=inside job to waiting on the porch for the soylent green truck (still laughing about that, cbl).
When I see it is a post from you, I relax in the way that you would in a soccer game when the ball goes toward a team member you know will handle it capably and intelligently.
Hope to hear from you often.
my take on the Joe/bear ad, from earlier today:
Clueless Joe is just having a Bad Dream
sans clue very much, Joe
darkblack never disappoints
LindyH @ 4:03 pm (#231) Mark Crispin Miller sounds more like a crackpot every time I read him.
*ilson, how’s the Chinese spam situation?
%u6211%u73B0%u5728%u770B%u89C1%u4E86%u4EFB%u4F55%u5927%u7EA6%u4E8C%u4E2A%u5C0F%u65F6
Gonna get EPU’d but …
New Froomkin. Give him some love.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00879.html
I guess WordPress doesn’t handle simplified Chinese too well — what I said was : I haven’t seen any for about 2 hours now …
OT – http://tinyurl.com/mnmdh
The “artifacts” case. Can someone explain to me why the headline for this case is not: FBI Muzzles Witnesses and Drops Theft Case to Cover Up Rumsfeld’s Stolen 9/11 Souvenirs.
One of the companies (KEI) handling 9/11 disaster relief supplies loads them up from the NY based warehouse and takes them to a different state to sell. Two whistleblowers come forward (losing their jobs, getting death threats, etc.)to the FBI and are told that, due to the pending investigation and case, they can’t say anything.
Meanwhile, as a part of the investigation, it is discovered that:
a) KEI had fraud activities not involving those thefts, and
b) 16 government employees, including a top FBI executive and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, had [stolen 9/11] artifacts from New York or the Pentagon.
OK – first I just don’t undestand the reasoning that somehow, DOJ “couldn’t” prosecute KEI for loading up a semi of relief supplies and reselling them in another state bc the same investigation also revealed that some Govt employees took “artifacts” from the 9/11 sites. Some FEMA guy says: “It would be a conflict.” HUH?
You would almost think, although his name is buried waaaaaaay down in the story, that DOJ dumped the investigation just to make sure that it wasn’t mentioned in a courtroom that the Sec. of Defense had pilfered for his deskset from the 9/11 site.
Ok, so the KEI charges for their theft are dropped, the whistleblowers are left for a long time muzzled and only the thought that the theft is being pursued makes them feel a little better. A “justice is served” blanket to hug. Now that someone swiped their blanket?
Christopherson and L’Allier were left disillusioned.
“I wouldn’t open my mouth again for all the tea in China,” L’Allier said. Added Christopherson, a 34-year-old father of two: “It’s not worth blowing the whistle unless you don’t have anything to lose.”
But surely the govt employees involved got a smack, right? The government also didn’t prosecute any of its employees for taking souvenirs, claiming it lacked a policy prohibiting such thefts
Apparently, despite a lot of rules and laws and policies on the books, THEFT, and THEFT FROM A CRIME SCENE – not really covered? Something to think about. I’m sure it had nothing to do with one of the ‘thefters’ being the Sec. of Def.
“It’s a sad indictment of our justice system that they would let people go in order to cover up misconduct by federal employees, especially in a prestigious agency like the FBI,” said Jane Turner, the lead FBI agent. She too became a whistleblower alleging the bureau tried to fire her for bringing the stolen artifacts to light. Turner retired in 2003.
I bet she was given a very nice retirement party too.
See – here’s a Story NRO could take and run with. I can picture it now:
Bold Move by Daring Sec. of Defense Throws Lifeline to Embattled Disaster Relief Firm
or maybe
Sec of Defense Prevents Sabotage of American Way of Life by Fired Employees
or maybe just a
Dammit – Whoever Prints These Stories About Rumsfeld Needs to Rot in a Prison in Poland
Unfortuatel for NRO, if they followed their own policies, their whole site could just say:
CLASSIFIED: TOP SECRET STATE SECRETS and they could all go home.
We wouldn’t find out how the fund drive went, but then again, think what it might do to national security if that kind of information were to get out.
Cujo- are you objecting to Miller, or to the general idea that if the election wasn’t stolen, there certainly was a serious attempt to do so? This really is a serious issue. Go delve into BradBlog, please.
Test – the italics heard EPU was here.
Valley Girl @236 He certainly did. It’s worth reading.
punaise,
alligator lizards – probably a bazillion cavorting in dried oak leaf piles in Tilden Park
they actualy creep me out almost as much as snakes, but we’ve had a pair: trolley and sheilia return for their 3rd summer w/ us – and besides that – anything that eats insects in Texas is AOK, so I give em cantaloupe and run.
http://www.wildherps.com/species/E.coerulea.html
OT: On MSRNC Collette Cassidy just said that the House stripped William Jefferson of his chairmanship. Wasn’t it the House Democrats that stripped him? They made it sound like he was disciplined by the whole house. Fuckers.
Oscan, Etruscan, Venetic, Umbrian
Mary at 201 Plame…The nitty gritty detail that is never in the sensationalized 2 minute segment on CNN…”
You want detail, I nominate eRiposte for Pulitzer Prize. Seriously.
by a vote of the Democratic caucus, Jefferson’s Democratic seat on the Appropriations Committee was unseated. This had to be officially and formally ratified by a vote of the entire House…
new thread
Cujo, have you been conditioned to sneer at any theory about what’s going on? Talking about it…brainstorming, if you will, looking for evidence and discussing it is crucial for us right now.
Yes, this is why I’ll keep coming here. Came here for Plameology 101, stayed for the electives, the professors, and the local bars (Harry Hutton, Darkblack’s art, the Pinky Santorum post, and other hilarity).
egregious – promise me the detail doesn’t include Rove’s black socks. Margot scared me.
From Froomkin – where DO they get the WH staff? I thought it would be hard to top the “President’s Hands” collection. Then Froomkin fills us in even more on the comicbookwriter Zinmeister and he handed us someone (for Swopa) harder.
OTOH – he shows that he knows his sex – or, at least someone’s. “It’s something — it’s intense; it’s fire. It drives people to insanity. . . . People fall in love with prostitutes. People kill prostitutes. All kinds of things happen in the heat of sexual passion
Is he clueing us in on an episode from his past? “People”? If NRO is concerned that Jane is a porn purveyor, Zinmeister does give them some advice:
so my point is because it’s fire it needs to be governed and treated with respect and treated carefully.”
Got that? ;-)
I just know Froomkin dropped all the Zen in as a nod to the NRO/FDL square off. *g*
Valley Girl @ 4:28 pm (#254) – I have little doubt, politics being what they are, that there were efforts to suppress the vote. What I doubt, and no one’s been able to erase those doubts, is that this vote suppression adds up to a loss for Kerry in Ohio. It might, if you make a bunch of assumptions and maybe ignore a countervailing (sp?) fact or two. That was Manjoo’s basic point.
As for Miller, I have a problem with anyone whose basic message is “If you don’t agree with me, you’re with the XXXXX’s”. In Miller’s case, XXXXX’s is Republicans, their enablers, and the people who don’t care about or are actively engaged in vote fraud. He quite clearly said this of Salon in that letter, and Kennedy implied it in his response to Salon, as well. To me, that’s the position of a crank, and when I hear such things I generally stop taking the person who says them seriously.
LindyH @ 4:40 pm – Cujo, have you been conditioned to sneer at any theory about what’s going on?
I’m happy to entertain ideas, but, as James Oberg once observed “Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out”. There’s not enough evidence that the outcome of the election was materially changed, only that there appear to have been efforts at voter suppression, combined with what I’ve come to regard as the usual levels of incompetence and error.
Bill Berry, Rich Lowry is NOT a journalist. Journalists investigate and report. At least some of them do.
It’s not Plameporn – but NRO could always dig into the Fornigate scandal.
TPM’s Muckraker has a good update
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000932.php
but it’s a big enough story to share.
Cujo- brief reply for now. I don’t think it can ever be “proved” whether the numbers were such that the election had been stolen, or not. I am much more concerned with the details as to the ways that vote manipulation/ suppression goes on, and ways to stop this. As I said in my original comment, I haven’t had time to read Miller’s response, and it is quite long, or any of the other later comments at Salon, yet. The first blog I ever read regularly, very regularly, was BradBlog. Brad is not a crank. A lot of what was cited in the Kennedy article was first reported at BB, from news articles. As to how the various efforts devolve into actual numbers (did Kerry actually win?) there has been a lot of debate about that. It’s too late to turn back the clock on that one anyway. Whatever you might think of MCM (I don’t have an opinion on him as a “personality” myself) please don’t throw out the “baby with the bathwater” so to speak. I am not interested in turning back the clock- pretty useless to try- but I do feel that the whole issue of fair elections is incredibly important, and I am not so trusting to believe that as things are, we can count on fair elections. That is very worrisome.
cbl 256
punaise,
alligator lizards …
well then I’ve seen plenty of ‘em – just never heard the alligator part.
Mary 264, pinky swear no socks.
Cujo, I couldn’t disagree more. Ohio election politics were warped in 2004, further warped in referenda questions in 2005 [on voting integrity issues] vastly different from the usually precise Columbus Dispatch polls. Issues that were projected to win by 2:1 LOST by 2:1. And in 2006 we have Blackwell as Sec of State supervising his OWN election for governor. Fair I’m sure.
I am from Ohio and keep in touch w lots of people there. Kerry was way ahead in the polls, returns were coming in consistent with this, and then suddenly in the middle of the night, there were new returns that were statistically impossible but yet said Bush won. Don’t believe me? Check out people who have analyzed statistics at the precinct level. Every anomaly, and there were MANY, strangely favored the Republicans.
I know lifelong Republicans who NEVER voted for a Democrat, who voted for Kerry in ‘04. This should have been a major victory for the Democrats, except for having a corrupt Republican Secretary of State. Well, you know, the party that did PHONE JAMMING in New Hampshire? Um hmm.
I come here to keep up on fashion in the Senate.
It’s exactly the same with elections, Republicans are unwilling to compete in the “free market” of a fair election because they know they will lose. Hence the massive voter suppression.
Re: posts upthread about “loss leaders.”
Some wonder what the eventual profitable business is for which the NRO and Washingtom TImes, et al are the loss leaaders. The answer is simple. The really profitable business they suck in clients for, as does any loss leader, is robbing the treasury and the American public blind.
There’s literally billions to be made there.
Amazing nerve to attack using the Plame case for attention. At least the Plame case involves real crimes, which hurt real people. L’affaire Lewinsky was just a distraction, and the MSM followed every bit of salacious red meat thrown their way! Keep the heat up, FDL.
It’s a “fixation” we use to “attract readers.” Yes, it’s called capitalism. Free enterprise. The opposite of wingnut welfare. It’s what happens when you create a good product and people show up so advertisers want to pay you so you can keep the lights on…
You’ve touched on a sore point to Bu$hCo: capitalism isn’t corporatism.
They can not compete in a free market, which is why they constantly try to rig the system to their advantage.
Very excellent post, Jane.
Oklahoma kiddo – actually, Sepulveda/Van Nuys (San Fernando valley) and Colorado Blvd, (San Gabriel valley)where the little old lady from pasadena burnt rubber are in two different universes in an LA kind of way. The Anaheim Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle, Book Review and Timing Association are closer to San Berdoo, just a few miles past Pasadena.
Ms. Huffington has an amazing past. I’m a California native so I lived her earlier political life in real-time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_Huffington
I had not heard about David Huffington’s sexuality. He was a libertarian loon of a Congressman, to the point of refusing to do constituent service like getting someone’s Social Security check out of limboland. (This is a major function of your local Congressman.)
Very true Jane.
People want real news about real stories that really matter. That’s why blogs are winning. The corporate owned media refuse to cover news and given their choices in the political leadership that they back, and the way they operate their “businesses” it’s no wonder. Most people also seem to want politics to be about real things that matter to them too, which is why its a surprise to every one but Chris Matthews that 76% of the country would like to elect Congress people this November that will get us out of Iraq this year.
The corporate media is in the “lash out” phase against bloggers. Expect all kinds of personal attacks, malicious slander, reflexive insults as the media attempts to throw stones and chomskyize the millions of readers that are abadoning them. Bad news for the coporate media, the more they alienate their own consumer base the more they cost themselves money, the more they set the stage for their own demise. You’d think ABC would learn something from the abject failures of the RIAA and the MPAA, but no. Or maybe that the RIAA or the MPAA would have learned some lessons from the nascent software industry of the eighties, but sadly no.
Rove having noticed the trend in coporate angst toward blogs, is trying to piggy back on it to make it his current sales product. It’s a stupid product, much as getting republicans to support the war this past week was a stupid product, but its the one Rover thinks he can sell. Poor Rover so old and tired. Note to Karl Rove: Take a vacation from politics old boy before your failures catch up with you, your desperation is making you stupid.
The corporate lash out against blogs only shows how incompetent and unworthy those organization really are. As people consume less of the corporate news product their ad revenue goes down and they lose money. Eventually this bleeding will force them to either start reporting real news or get out of the news business entirely.
Of course there’s the 3rd option, which Norquist’s people are working hard to get going, and thats to legislate the internet out of existence, ala the Verizon written legislation that just sailed through the house.
When Bill Moyer is not able to work for a corporate news service, even PBS the supposed public one, it tells you all you need to know about the meaning of the word “journalist”. If there was any integrity at all in the news business broadcasters on every network in every media would have stopped work until Moyer’s position was restored. Further people like Coulter, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Heraldo, would not be permitted to represent themselves as anything other than professional entertainers. When the media frames entertainer Jay Leno as the filter for what’s appropriate on TV, we can tell that we have lost all sense of proportion. When journalism meant something, would we have turned to Jack Paar to unmask McCarthy?- No! We at least appeared to have a Ed Murrow for that.
Comedians now do a more accurate job of TV news reporting than the “news media” does. Blogging sites are picking up what used to be the newspaper audience. The responsiveness of bloggers to commenters and the cooperation that ensues adds a dimensions print media can never match.
NRO, The Weekly Standard, and their ilk are the dinosaurs and in this new environment that’s based on an actual free marketplace of idea, and they can’t compete. The internet version of these propaganda rags ala pajamas media are sinking like stones, showing the world that the whole their model of persuasion is completely inneffective without the total control of a captive audience.
The more they howl, the more room they give you to take their market.
Jane, You and Christy help keep it real for all of us because you are ‘True to America’. Byron wouldn’t know a disingenuous fuckover if he rolled over and it smiled in his face.
I rarely write love letters, but there is no better time or place than here and now.
FDL is the indispensable go-to site because of the passion, the crisp writing, the dogged digging, and lots and lots of smarts and sass.
I love it when Jane swears like a sailor, just so those punk wingnuts, thieves and cowards make no mistake about having been whupped like the family mule.
These are not times for phony politeness. There are scads of heinous criminals who must be dragged to the dock, vermin incalculably more foul than the wharf rats that scurry through the shadows down here by the river of ancient kings.
For a person like Jane to have turned herself into one of the fiercest investigative editors going in America today is also a tribute to this medium, but it’s mostly a tribute to her impressive intellect, wicked wit and determined drive.
Of course, none of the above is meant to diminish my great respect for our indefatigable redd-headed legal eagle and friend to all fine feathered friends, whose own writing style has now matured into the category of the sublime. (kudos, too, to all their pals who have seen it righteous and proper to guest-blog here.)
I love you guys, and wouldn’t know what to do without ya. I do admit that I lurk from afar without generally adding my own noise to the mix – although I consider it to be reading and learning, rather than lurking – but your site is the first thing I look at when I log on. ’tis a far, far better pick-me-up than coffee (for me anyway, since I’m into the green-tea jag over here in Asia).
Keep up all your fine and tireless work, and yes, as much on the Plame-leak story and its many strands as you can possibly follow. It’s been said that Murray Waas owns the story, but you are surely co-owners. And you throw open a big window onto so much that has gone wrong in America, and by implication, the world.
From a grateful and admiring old-media journalist, ensconced on distant shores.
Wow! wicked right cross from Jane! – TKO
Terrific tonic for the troops from Jane Hamsher – cometh the hour…cometh the women. Your obviously with the rooters or your with the terrorist’s.
Great Post. The failure of these pundits to understand this concept explains why NRO is always having to beg for money and do some kind of crappy cruise junket that very few attend. But, you’re right; the nation’s red ink is the far greater issue.
Okay . . . party pooper. I’m writing this in response to the gushing adulation posts from previous commenters here.
I love FDL and other progressive blogs as much as the next liberal, but can we please quit with all the gratuitous praise and self-congratulatory pretensions?
We are the infantry in a war of ideas, and making Jane, Kos, CHS, Atrios, or anyone a cult of personality diverts attention away from the substance of the issues while opening up the authors behind the words to ad hominem attacks.
Kudos to those bloggers who are in the fight for getting the truth out and making our country better, but lets keep focused on topic so that we force real debate on the issues instead of the personalities.
All that said, thanks Jane. Byron York and the NRO don’t have a leg to stand on. If these rightwingers really read the Bible they would know that the truth can set you free.
And thanks for helping me to accept the reason why HuffPo links to news about Paris Hilton or Tom Cruise (it brings in people who otherwise might not read the substantive stuff on Arianna’s site).
Now maybe you can explain to me why Danielle Crittenden writes for HuffPo, and then I won’t have any hangups with Arianna’s site.