
I was genuinely quite pleased with Byron York’s response to the Plame Panel (which can be seen here on CSPAN). I’d just have to wonder if he was actually there if I hadn’t seen him myself. The first two paragraphs he seems obsessed with my day job — never mentioned during the panel at all — and then asserts that with my history I would of course only be consumed with the villains of the CIA leak case. My speech included the exactly one (count ‘em one) sentence about the BushCo. villains of the story; the rest of it was devoted to introducing the heroes, my primary objective. I hope when everyone from the panel kept calling on poor Byron we weren’t waking him up but I think it may be so.
If he was sleeping it was probably for the best, because everything that was said was a complete challenge to everything he wanted to write. As Emptywheel notes:
Byron didn’t tell his readers that I told him at least half of the people on the panel, and probably more, had admitted we thought Rove was cooperating (as in big-C, anything you say to Karl Rove can and will be held against you in a court of law). Or that we Plame bloggers, Christy, Jane, and I, were all pretty realistic about the possibility that Karl wouldn’t get indicted. For that matter, Byron didn’t mention that Murray suggested this whole thing may fizzle. You see, I think Byron would have a hard time admitting to his readers that the Plame panel had anticipated that something like what has happened might occur. Because, you see, it might suggest that the rest of our speculations may come to pass, too. That Karl Rove may flip, that the Conservative project may have started eating its own, that Karl can’t even live up to their standards of loyalty, much less ours. Byron was very tenuous about the larger meaning of cooperation, as he has been in his reporting on Luskin’s statement. Perhaps it suggests possibilities he’d rather not think about?
"Lather, rinse, repeat" is more appropriate to the handling of hair care products than the practice of journalism, but often there’s little else you can do with GOP taking points. And I certainly understand how Byron could get confused.
I was happy with one aspect of York’s piece. He seemed to take no objection to my claim that Joe Wilson is a hero, unlike Wankette. I expected this to be the predictable response from the NRO. Maybe nobody wants to be the next Ana Marie Cox? Because I can assure you, that’s what would have happened. Anyone who wants to publicly question that fact had better have more war bona fides than just a full head of hair or the wilingness to suck on a vodka bottle for fun and profit, or we’ll have us a field day.
Nice piece, Byron. Next time, feel free to join us.
(BTW if anyone has files of the Plame Panel that can be loaded on YouTube I would love to have them.)
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come on, zero….
Fitz & Roots!
A respectful suggestion to WFB: Lose Byron, not money!
Jane –
Thanks for another brilliant post!
[My favorite Plame daydream is that Karl is wearing a wire.]
Jane –
I wanted to say I really enjoyed meeting you and Christie at YearlyKos.
I also wanted to point out that the absolutely most odious outrageously offensive and inaccurate Yearlykos article has just been published. It’s the New Republic, of course:
http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mh…..izza062606
jane
For the awful YK New Republic article, we’re already talking about it at Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..173347/995
Note TeacherKen’s comment on the terrible Lizza coverage of the Education Panel.
OT– Neil Abercrombie shows up with his hands tied with ropes! The Dems have their hands tied by the thugs. This is the amnesty resolution.
‘Photo by Snorfbat’- Great Name!
I’m sorry,I haven’y read this post yet,I will though.I’m here to comment on the strangness of this world.Today My Republican Represenitive stands up and says”how can we discuss gay marrage and flag buning in this House right now?And what does that say to the guy about to drive over a land mine?”(paraphrase)He’s right.Where are the Dems?(crickets chirping)((exept for Murta))
You were awesome Jane. I’m still trying to locate a closeup of you.
An off topic startling moment:
When I saw the panel on c-span and could finally see what everyone looked like, I was surprised that Murray Waas was so young. With that name, I assumed he was in his 60’s. LOL
but Jane, he has to dwell on our “obsession” with the villains in order to fire up his readers.
truth, justice, reality….all so over-rated.
(actually I’m kind of surprised he didn’t gloat more about the Rove situation.)
York the Dork. Funny (and weird) how he conflates the phony mystery of VInce Foster’s suicide with the decidedly UN-mysterious outing of a covert CIA officer by the White House.
Kind of like how, even today, Republicans are still connecting Sadaam Hussein with 9-11.
Ah, me. Is it cocktail hour yet?
Hey look! Froma wrote me back:
Thanks for your input. You are correct that most bloggers would probably agree with Lamont’s Afghanistan position. I tried to limit my discussion to the ultra-left blogs.
Froma Harrop
Oscarsmom wrote:
Dear Ms Harrop,
I must disagree with your characterization of the blogosphere as “ultra-left” and “pacifist.” Most bloggers would agree completely with Lamont’s positions as you described them vis-a-vis Afghanistan, etc..
The blogosphere encompasses many different viewpoints, and generally could be described as further to the left than most politicians. But its primary value is in adherence to the facts and accountability. Please keep this in mind.
Thanks, Oscarsmom
A slight tangent here. Did anyone hear Rich Lowry just now, spouting lies on NPR about how the liberal blogosphere was deluded by hatred of Rove into the belief that he would be indicted? Nice platform he has there.
DMM #13–this is indeed a disturbing universe!
Who is your rep, pray?
Has PJF best bud Andrew McCarthy opined on NRO about the Rove thing? Enquiring minds want to know what his addled little brain thinks about it.
Hey, no one sane can really blame us for wanting Karl Rove to go to prison. I’ll own up to that any day.
I found the link to this exclusive on Raw Story: http://realnews.org/rn/content…..tants.html
oscarmom,
Rep.Wayne Gilchrist
I can’t view videos with my connection and this computer. Does anyone have links to the transcripts? I’d so love to have them. All I’ve seen is some great quotes.
TIA
Rule #1 of photos: Identify everybody.
oscarmom,
‘moderate’Republican-and Vietnam vet.I’ve been known to fill his mailbox from time to time,and he always answers,more than I can say for some Dems.And it just kills me to say that.
Rootz!Now I feel better.
Jane,
This too, perfect.
spegettihappens,
I’m betting the hottie is Jane!
DMM – which state?
Come on,we know the players.Don’t know the two on the outside,but left to right,Wilson,Froomkin,Jane.Am I right?
Lobstergirl,
Why down on ANdy Mccarthy’s brain?
Andy has never been a fan of mine, but he is a good lawyer and has a fine mind, and a pleasent writing style.
How he chooses to employ those gifts…, OK, I can find fault with that.But why do you think his brain is addled? Other than his politics.
Jane,
EPU’d from last thread:
Wrt Marshall Whittman – Thanks for another fine post! The question it brings to my mind is:
Just who was the DLC individual that hired this
molequislingperson?‘Cause there’s gotta be a DLC decision-maker somewhere who’s culpable! Or conspirin’ with the RNC!
Maryland
Larry Johnson on the left and Murray Waas on the right.
Hey, no one sane can really blame us for wanting Karl Rove to go to prison.
I want him to be stripped, dipped in honey and staked to a fire ant mound on the north bank of the Rio Grande. In August.
Kuckledragger at 33
that is SOO intemperate. Probably why I am smiling
I think the day the wingnuts start writing good things about us we’re in deep trouble. I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever seen them say anything truthful – it’s the lies and outright distortions the wingnuts require – both the writers and the readers.
I think I’d be kind freaked out if they had gotten it right – or told the truth – like the rapture is coming or something.
Loosehead,
Nothing succeeds like excess!
Pontificator 7 — you mean Ryan Lizza gave off hand-jobbing Chuck Schumer to bash Christy for enjoying her food at a Media Matters dinner? (Yes, the Joe Lieberman Weekly left that out, it’s an organization we work closely with ALL THE TIME. Quite pulicly and unappologetically so. In fact we’ve even fundraised for them in the past.)
Never saw him mixing with the plebes. Small wonder that like Nagourney and MoDo, his article is All About Him and the Beautiful People (such as they were).
Uh, Byron. I’m thinking if a Dem were president and a White House “official” leaked the name of a covert CIA agent (twice) to reporters, indictment or not, he’d be outta there. Whudaya think?
BLITZER: He hasn’t even been charged with anything yet.
PELOSI: No, no, no, no. You’re talking about a — the court of law. I’m talking about a higher ethical standard.
And that’s — there are two different things. We — I believe that members of Congress should be held to a higher standard and a higher ethical standard. And I apply that to all members of our caucus, respecting the magnificent diversity of our caucus.
But, yes, we are high — having a higher standard now. And any member of Congress who has $90,000 in his freezer can be sure that he’s going to hear from me that he or she should step aside.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..om.03.html
BTW,I mean hottie in the most respectful possable way!
Ahh, Valley Girl,
Nice to see you,;) ;). It’s all good.
Gotta go,see you all later.
Rootz!!!
“GOP taking points”
I love it. I don’t know if it is intentional or not, but I love it. I can just see them, cooking up taking points in the GOP crack kitchen: “Take that, and that and take that, too”
BTW, this from JeannieZ a few threads back is AWESOME!!:
“Love the GET REAL thing! Of course, you need to make it into an acronym:
Responsible
Ethical
Accountable
Leadership”
“I’m gonna wash that Hair right out of the man . . .”
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Next up: “You’ve got to be carefully taught”
Don’t mind me – just singing in the shower ;)
I reckon this is the first time in a long time that the Byroscope adopted a wait and see attitude… I think he is scared that his outing at YKos has revealed the truth about his disinformation campaign that is embroidered out of whole cloth by a machine named Rover, et al.
Countess Babula shoulda delivered the piecegoods a wee bit earlier.
York’s column does nothing to discredit those who hope to see justice done in the CIA leak case. He says nothing to refute the left blogosphere’s central assumption: that a group of high-ranking Bush administration officials, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, conspired to discredit and punish Joseph Wilson for telling the truth about the administration’s factual claims associated with its justification to invade Iraq. They did so in part by committing an act of treason, making public the identity of a CIA agent, Valerie Plame, Wilson’s wife.
Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s apparent decision not to pursue an indictment against Karl Rove at this time does not negate the fact that Rove actively participated in the war on the Wilsons. let alone the fact that the war occurred. It in no way diminishes the roles of Cheney, Scooter Libby, or other members of the administration in the war on the Wilsons.
The best York can do is to try to analogize the CIA leak case with the death of Clinton aide Vince Foster, which was investigated to death and found to be a suicide in no way the fault of the Clinton administration. What an absurd comparison. I wonder if York feels his trip to Yearly Kos was worthwhile.
I think maybe I figured out what the wingers who write about YKos are trying to do. They are trying to emulate the fabulous snark of the progressive blogosphere.
Not succeeding very well, mind you, but I think this explains the rather odd tone all these writeups take: they are trying to snark.
i want george w bush to go to prison — recently a judge ruled that bush can hold foreigners without charging them — but the judge is too dimwitted to see that by his own logic a foreign court can let george w bush be held &, as a bonus, can let him be charged with war crimes
Jane -
I am with John Forde at #11. I think you should start selling autographed 8×10 glossy headshots of yourself for say, $100? With all of the proceeds going to the Lamont Campaign.
I’d buy one.
Very nice rebuttal Jane. I think you could have hit him back a little bit harder, but what the hell.
Oh my, that Jane Hamsher photo idea is rather scary. What was Markos saying this past weekend about the cult of personality? Now, a Matt O. action figure, that I could go for….
Peterr 44
“I’m gonna wash that Hair right out of the man…”
heh. South Pacific / Pout Specific
Blather, rinse, reap it.
LHP @29 –
He probably is a good lawyer. I’m not crazy about his writing style although it’s not horrible. I just don’t know how else other than addled to describe someone who writes a column (at a very hysterical pitch) moaning that the media tried to hide the fact that all those dudes arrested in Canada for terrorist plotting were Islamic. First of all, the media I read and watched didn’t try to hide that fact. Apparently only the media he read and watched hid it. Second, it seemed kind of obvious that they were Islamic – unless it’s racist or religionist to assume someone is Islamic just from their name and the fact that they’re being arrested for terrorism (which I grant you, probably it is). I actually want to like McCarthy, I just can’t stand the shrill, deafening rightwing scream WE MUST NEVER FORGET THEY’RE ISLAMIC!! ISLAM WANTS TO KILL US!!! Everything boils down to the clash of civilizations for these people. I mean, I guess that’s their big beef. Unless I’m missing something.
Lobstergirl,
I wasn’t trying to scare you away? It was a genuine question.
FYI: entertaining and well-written article on YKos from our very own Stranger:
http://www.thestranger.com/sea…..?oid=37524
“The Riviera Hotel is a strange place to hold a blogger convention. Located in a low-rent section of the Las Vegas Strip, its aging rooms and tarnished casino speak less of the promise of new media than of the inevitability of decay. Those who organized the event, dubbed YearlyKos after one of the country’s most influential online liberal communities, Daily Kos, didn’t mean to imply anything in their choice of venue. They were simply after cheap lodging and a central location for the first in-gathering of this country’s growing corps of left-leaning bloggers. . . “
I’d go for a Joe Wilson action figure.
I just can’t stand the shrill, deafening rightwing scream WE MUST NEVER FORGET THEY’RE ISLAMIC!! ISLAM WANTS TO KILL US!!! Everything boils down to the clash of civilizations for these people.
_____
Yep. Lotta wingnuts deliberately stoking that fire.
LHP – just trying to figure out what I wanted to say. Maybe I’d agree with him on some other issues, although signs point to no….
Acting as if Lizza is relevant to anything is like acting as if the Knicks don’t suck.
Lobstergirl @ 3:45 pm (#53) – I certainly had no trouble picking up on the Islamic angle in that story. I think maybe Byron just needs to get his hearing aid batteries replaced.
If a “clash of civilizations” can be defined by the nutcases in both civilizations, then we have one. Personally, I wish they’d pick a nice patch of desert somewhere and just kill each other, and leave the rest of us out of it.
I had someone make a similar comment to me the other day.
My response: “You mean ALL of the three billion individuals who practice Islam want us dead. Well, if that’s the case then game over. They got us on sheer numbers.”
blogosphere trading cards
(ooh, you got Pach’s rookie year card? I’ll trade you for a comments-era Billmon!)
LOL more from the Stranger article:
“A conservative infiltrator, who came to YearlyKos expecting to blog about a “freak show,” found himself having to report instead that “people here are largely, disappointingly, golf-shirted, short-haired, and white-bread,” and that “grooming and hygiene are up to Western business standards.” “
And,
“When Maureen Dowd wrote a slightly unflattering column about Moulitsas during the conference, he described her to me, in front of other reporters, as “an insecure, catty bitch.”"
WE MUST NEVER FORGET THEY’RE ISLAMIC!! ISLAM WANTS TO KILL US!!!
They are essentially swiftboating the, oh let’s say, 2.95 billion believers in Islam who don’t want us dead.
I liked those wildlife photographs of the punaise in his natural habitat. ;)
Oh Cujo359 @ 60
I’m seeing pay per view w/ simultaneous webcasts
ARMAGET*IT*ON
JIHADISTS VERSUS YEE-HAWDISTS
have your people blackberry my people
Believe me, I’m just kidding when I say this:
Perhaps Sports Illustrated should do a swimsuit issue featuring Beauties of the Blog? LOL
This thread has led directly (though not exclusively) to the following OT barbaric yawp:
ConSARN Firedoglake!
Do you people have any idea how many months behind I am on my New Yorkers and my Atlantics?!
Aw gawd — we don’t even want to think about my house.
And. It’s. ALL. Your. Fault.
Phoomph!
/barbaric yawp
Sometimes I should just keep my keyboard shut. ; )
Note to B. York, check is in the mail. Scaife
lotus 68, I feel your pain. I add Harper’s to that list. The New Yorker? I usually start at the back, and lately I’ve been getting as far as the cartoon caption contest (for which, by the way, one of my clients had a winning entry!)
Lobstergirl,
Don’t forget, he works for an oragnization that pays him to take that tone. After the Lynne Stewart verdict he wrote this otherwise lovely piece that captured the Lynne I remembered and yet at several spots, and totally out of place in this otherwise nostalgic soft focus essay, where these jabs at the “looney left”.
I read it and thought, he wrote this beautiful piece, took to his editor who rejected it as not fitting their “style”, added what he needed to to get it published and probably called it a compromise in his mind.
I don’t know that’s what happend, I’m just speculating. He signed on with an organization that requires a steep slant to it’s product. THAT decision, maybe I can quarrel with. But being true to his obligation to his employer. I have less quarrel with.
Also, the focus on ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, coming so shrilly from him is understandable. He was part of a group of people who risked their careers and futures trying to speak truth to power and convince Washington and a few juries, that they were not wingnut consiracy theorists making up plots full of camel jockeys.
They were afraid no one would believe them. Some, I think, are still afraid that with the passage of time and folks like Joementumn calling everyone and everything a terrorist, that the American people and the American Government will take it’s eye off the ball.
I agree with him, and our boy Fitz, that there are Islamofacsists out there who are perverting a beautiful religion and culture and who believe that they are waging Holy War against the West and all our decadent ways.
If he sounds shrill, perhaps it is because he, who is privy to a lot of information that will never make its way into the public realm, knows just how much he should be afraid.
Andy worked on the Al Quaeda investigation. Of the material produced by that investigation, I would wager that only a very small fraction resulted in indictment and trial. Think of all the things that prey on his mind with respect to this subject, and he is not legally allowed to warn you. Remember that pesky Grand Jury secrecy?
cbl @ 3:56 pm (#66) – LOL. If only my people had a blackberry, we could accomplish so much.
The White House Press Corps is showing signs of life. They’re still a little miffed about being lied to about Rove’s involvement in blowing Plame’s cover, and the Rove’s-been-cleared theme is allowing them to ask–again–why they were lied to.
Did somebody say something not very nice about Christy? I wanna know what, and I wanna know who, because Mr. ReddHedd and I are ready to be Formidable Opponents!
Lawd, punaise, I (used to) start at the front, and the cartoon contest might as well be at the far reaches of the farthest galaxy, for all I know.
Really miss those cartoons too. ‘Specially the Booths.
Jane 37 — What’s amazing is that Ryan admits its an “off the record” dinner, and then talks about Christy at the dinner. I guess it’s time to convene a blogger ethics panel.
Teddy 75, that’s tellin’ ‘em!
punaise #71–I LOVE the cartoon caption contest! It’s the best change they’ve ever made. I always start at the back now too. Which cartoon did your friend write??
One of my favorites was, “Finally, a faith-based initiative I can support!”
Lobstergirl 18 — I’d like to hear from PJF’s BFF Andy McCarthy on the subject, too.
The Plame leak is to nutty progressive Democrats what the Vince Foster suicide was to nutty right-wing Republicans?
If that’s the case, then what I’d really like to see if Byron York’s article on his friends who obssessed over Vince Foster — an article showing why they’re nutty.
Has York ever written such an article?
I’m using my FDL tile as a coaster right this very moment.
Net Neutrality is dead if we don’t act NOW
Oscarmom 79 – it was the one where there was a job interview in the foreground, and in the background several disgruntled empluyees were chasing after each other with weapons and such. the punchline was “So. How soon can you start?”
(PS – Hi John, I’ve been making great progress on your project….)
Methinks we rocked Byron’s world. He’s writes about us every fucking day. Note to Byron – your hair is not all that.
Jane at 37 — I hate to tell Ryan Lizza, but if he thinks some well executed carpaccio is going to make me giddy and compromised, then he doesn’t know me and my foodie ways very well. It might make me want to get to know the chef better, however, but the hosts? They have to earn the praise from far more than just good menu selection. (And for the record, the carbonara needed work…) For someone invited to an off-the-record dinner designed to open conversation between parties that are often at odds with themselves, Lizza appears to have just closed those doors right up again by being unable to comprehend the meaning of “off the record.” Silly boy.
“…is Byron York’s article” not “…if Byron York’s article…”
“he seems obsessed with my day job”
didn’t catch it til the 2nd read – damn you are smooth girl
Someone thinks like we do:
Jim Dean, bro of the DNC chair and head of Democracy for America, is hopping mad at the DSCC and Chuck Schumer.
We reported yesterday that Schumer pointedly declined to rule out supporting Lieberman even if Lieberman’s allies were to mount an independent bid on his behalf. . .
That really oinked off Jim Dean, who wrote this morning that
“Joe hasn’t confirmed that he’s planning to run as an Independent. But his campaign seems to be laying the groundwork, courting important Beltway insiders from both sides of the aisle. . . . The DSCC’s mission is to elect Democrats to the Senate. Yet in this case, they would prefer to back an incumbent who leaves the party instead of a principled progressive who’s proud to be a Democrat.”
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou…..c_ove.html
In their heirarchy of who’s kewl it’s pretty clear that “hollywood producer” trumps “diminutive New York Times columnist,” “journalist with great hair,” and “ass-fucking bloggeress.”
Too bad for them we got dibs on the kewl ladies.
Lmao,Teddy.
Teddy 75:
How utterly condescending. Well, if he wants to go, we’ll go.
Christy 86 — Remember when I was walking shoeless through the Ventian? I told you that one was going to be trouble.
Sigh. Lizza is gonna get beat up by a girl.
Can I just say how glad I am not to have been invited to that shit? It pays to stay lower on the radar. Instead, I got to hang out with readers.
Pach, Thanks for the nice spew moment. Good one.
He’s just pissed because Christy didn’t know who he was. After dinner I said “who was at your table?” And she said “oh, some guy named Ron.”
Jane at 93 — Yep. I wonder if he’d like everyone to know how he was fawning over Mark Warner after his interview…because that wasn’t exactly off the record.
Christy, Did he ask where the ketchup was?
Busted — I actually felt kind of sorry for him and spent time talking to him because no one else was. That’s what I get for being nice…
http://fora.tv/ has the plame leak investigation panel discussion, they don’t have a way to link internally and there is a free registration but it seems to be complete.
I thought Swank Trattoria was a stripper over at the Crazy Horse Too.
OT? I’m pasting on dinosaur dialup–have a great weekend all.
No better time and place for the Dems to start the Get Real message%u2014America must Get Real again%u2014than this stunt in the house. In the spirit of Captain Kirk, it’s time to game the Kobyashi Maru [sp?]. Yes or no vote? Hell, no%u2014denounce the stunt loudly over and over in clear Get Real terms.
And Dems, stop letting yourselves be rolled over, unite and vote present. Show this political theatre for the stunt that it is.
This is a desperate Republican stunt to take Iraq out of the election equation.
Shouldn’t her name be Anal Marie Cox?
Or is it Anal Marie Cocks?
I think I like no. 1.
Thank you. Participate at will. Tip your waitresses. Good night.
I can tell you, without details, that Lizza was Catty Chatty Kathy with some other folks who, er, spent a lot of time in the press room, warning them by email not to talk openly around us bloggers, because we would write about everything, even if it’s just casual chat. And look what he does!
At next year’s YK, I say people should bring actual cocktail weenies and pass them out to the press. :)
Jnae @ 97 – that is pretty damn funny.
“Jnae” = Jane. But then you knew that.
Pach 94 — Lizza’s already been beaten up by a girl. Whether that has any relationship to the pigtail dunking Christy got I couldn’t say.
Of course, what would I know. I was “just glad to be out of the house learning a few things.” *snerk* That’s just pitiful.
LOL Jane. First link not working, though.
Murray Waas is just too adorable.
Well, Christy, you did ride in on the turnip truck taxi.
Slothrop #102
LOL!
Bustednuckles, sorely EPU’d but if you still need the Clueless link it is http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
having been to a few high-priced fundraising soirees myself: cocktail weenies are definitely declasse…even my little innercity supermarket sells several brands of those things…
Christy -
You haven’t sent Mr. Reddhedd to Niger lately have you?
without cholera and yellow-fever shots, Mr. Reddhedd can’t even get a visa to enter Niger …
Pach at 113 — Oh sure, you had to bring THAT up. lol Just don’t tell anyone that they picked me up at Bumpkin Holler…oooooops. (I mean, jeebus, Lizza clearly has no children if he thinks you just sit at home and have brain stagnation. Or, if he does have children and thinks this way, someone ought to tell his wife…)
Pach 111 — works for me.
Jane Hamsher @ 4:40 pm (#109) – the “beaten up” link is 404.
shooogarp at 117 — well, no, I haven’t sent Mr. ReddHedd on an all expenses paid junket to malaria central to look into the fascinating topic of why Dick Cheney and his pals are weaselly liars…but hey, we can’t all get the good assignments, now can we? (And can I say that the “wife sent him on a junket/boondoggle” idiocy is still a wingnut talking point is beyond me…like it’s some swanky, ClubMed outpost for wayward public servants or something…morons.)
Thanks egregious, I got what I was looking for from punaise,.
Jane: I get a WordPress error in the space that should be the post when I click that link:
Error 404 – Not Found
Sorry for the inconvenience but I could not locate that page:
We have recently moved to a new service and software. If you are coming from a link from another site then the autodetect may not have been able to pick that up and find the page. Please use the search feature provided in the top right corner to try and locate the page you are looking for.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 4:48 pm (#122) – Of all the places I would have loved to be sent while I worked for the government, Niger never made the list. Can’t explain why. It seems to have just about everything.
York is an asshat. IMHO, the less attention paid to him, the better.
Speaking of Cheney, don’t forget about the upcoming Frontline on Cheney, the Dark Side:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/
If you haven’t had dinner, watch the trailer.
William Malo @ 125 – too much caffeine, not enough fun…
Ryan Lizza is a little bitch.
He hasn’t left a notebook around for me to publish, has he?
York is a DORK…anyone who would gloat over a Rover non indictment has NO FRIGGIN LIFE!
btw everyone, I just finished completing a Zogby survey online. They do them every once in a while and are always looking for new people to make up a full sampling. If you are interested in doing political surveys — and really, having more progressives fill them out would be fabulous — then click through here and sign up:
http://interactive.zogby.com/p…../index.cfm
I started doing them a while back when someone did a Kos diary about it, and I get periodically asked to do another, mainly because I think they need the WV sample. The fun part is the “how is George Bush doing as President?” — guess what I said? *g*
It’s pretty clear that Byron’s been mainlining the mousse!
okay – I guess the goon was 86′d. (yipee!)
Christy now inhabits #125, and that’s as it should be.
I AM A SUPERCILIOUS TROLL
Dang,Fresh out of troll kibbles.
WIlliam Malo-
A man with way too much time on his hands. It’s just so sad to see that.
Isn’t the Luskin letter an alleged letter? Is Karl Rove really off the hook or will we find out in 5 months that they lied again? Hasn’t Luskin lied before?
I lost my name when I became a material communications object for the pleasure of Maxwell Smart. The upshot is, I get to engage in illegal electronic surveillance.
letter/fax/phonecall/ponyexpress/carrierpigeon/twotincanswithstring?
Anyone starting to feel the ground shake?
The fun part is the “how is George Bush doing as President?”
Do any of the possible answers contain four letter words?
ccmask @ 5:02 pm (#139) – So far, Luskin hasn’t produced the letter that I know of. I suspect there really is one, because Luskin appears to be too young to want his law career to end. I think the good question is, what’s on that letter that we haven’t been told about?
I can hear a loud rumble coming from the southwest of here.
I used to have a lil’ red heeler that used to really hate strangers. Man I miss that dog.
Redshift, i saw your note that never got the picture with Paul Daou – i just resent it. Does your email include name @ aya dot school.edu?
Dear Mr. Malo — if you’d like to have a conversation about a topic, please do so. But so long as you continue to simply lob softballs into the air and expect us to marvel at your brilliance…well, it’s a dud. And you are boring me. So run along and play elsewhere unless you plan on contributing something beyond calling attention to yourself. Have a pleasant evening. — CHS
ah, for the days of Remington. The gunmaker.
Jane and Christy – My apologies. I do have a bad habit of egging people on.
I got sent to the principal’s office a lot.
ccmask @ 5:12 pm (#151) – Sometimes, a typewriter will do. No one uses them for typing anymore.
ccmask #152 -
whew! I thought you meant Steele.
Christy, I did that Zogby today too. Noted that Gore made the list of “which Dem would you vote for if the primary were today?”
I also jotted down this Q and possible As:
Most important characteristic of Dem nominee:
Says what believes?
Agrees w/ me on issues?
Has right experience?
Cares about people?
Can beat the Repug?
Will change country’s direction?
Shares my values?
I paused for a long time between “beat the gooper” and “change country’s direction” – then decided that whoever convinces voters s/he can do the latter WILL do the former . . .
P.S. Don’t TELL me you left your sunbonnet at home!
Has everyone had a chance to apologize to Karl?
I loved Remington Steele. They were funny together.
odd … I’ve never seen Ann Coulter wearing sunglasses but whatever turns ya on …
Pach 124 — that’s weird, it works for me.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..trategery/
Can you click through on this?
New poll out from Fox shows GW Clusterfuck at 40% approval. That’s a big chunk more than other polls, but it does appear that he’s getting at least a small bump. No telling how long it will last.
It means that demand is outstripping supply, the mark of a successful product.
Thus, arrangements must be made to accomodate the increased demand.
One would think that this concept would be one that even the tinkertoy conservatives of NRO could grasp, let alone the La-Z-Boy Liberals and towering ivory knob polishers of the New Republic.
Get Real
I thought the only shades of Ann Coulter were pale white skin and black cocktail dressess.
Jane – dunno about others. I still get “Error 404″, etc.
I get the 404 error when I click that link, Jane. (Safari on OSX 10.4.6)
Shoephone @ 138 or so — I became a material communications object for the pleasure of Maxwell Smart…
Whoa, too much information!
Jane @ 156 — I get the same 404 error as Pach.
TRex 129 — Hmmmm.
I was thinking of a contest — something along the lines of “name Nora O’Donnell.” The trouble with Ryan Lizza is then you’d have to explain who he IS and I don’t think people should be rewarded for bad behavior by having their profile raised.
Besides, Jim VandeHei is already the Pool Boy. What job is left for the vain fop?
rwcole: the Sainted Billmon has a good short post about polling figures http://billmon.org/archives/002472.html
Same error, same setup as Jacqrat; Safari, Mozilla, FFox, etc. Same in XP.
Wanna borrow a hammer Jane?
I have to cross link one more time to the TBogg post on NRO. I never paid any attention to Nat. Rev. or the Corner and mostly still don’t, except for the links and posts you guys have put here. Not to mock fundraising, but, well, —- the “we’re about ideas, not profits” thing; reminds me of hanging out while the guys were all shooting baskets growing up – all the “I wasn’t trying to make that one”s that I heard. http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2006…..inger.html
TBogg links the pep talk and it was eerie and a little sad. They are surrounded by loss (think soft Celtic ballads in the backgroundBecause—let me be frank here—we lose money. NRO is a loss leader. And here’s what’s unfortunate—the print magazine is a loss leader too. We are surrounded by loss leaders.
As a matter of fact, if you need a leader at loss-ing, they’re the go to guys. They have a track record that establishes – they are ALL loss-ers, ALL the time and they can rub the loss-ing off on others too. As a matter of fact, they have run through the loss-ing ideas so fast and furious, they aren’t even sure that they will ever have any further ideas on how to further the loss-ness of their mission . . . If we ever have ideas to further our mission, they are guaranteed to be loss leaders. If your business needs advice on how to develop a loss leader, come to us. We have it down. I assure you we can help you start to lose money almost immediately. It’s our specialty I remember learning a poem that started with “If” but the resemblance ends with the f.
Even the loss-ness monster has a raison d’etre (or at least a few spare grapes of wrath). You can, apparently, win the war on terror, convert family and marriage from fantasy to reality by believing in it –but only on the NRO (kind of like Tinkerbell, with Lowry as a notquitesogreen Peter Pan) and ALSO convert civilization and freedom from, well, from something that involves constitutional regard, evidence not based on torture, national sovereignty, trials, warrants for searches, due process, risk reward structures that support truth and competence, and respectful non-intervention with people’s personal decisions, to – - – -something that proudly gives forth Hadji Girl, the Video and Ann Coulter’s call show the ragheads whose boss and a drop in median income, rise in poverty levels and national debt that would knock your socks off, if you could still afford socks.
If all that were not enough, you can screw around with timewasters and repeal the 16th amendment (I think those last two were meant to be two different items, but I’m a little uncertain).
We exist to advance a worldview Congrats. Say hi to Mao and Stalin.
As WFB said long ago, NR exists to make a point, not a profit. I think that was back before WFB decided that Stepfordlike devotion to GWB was both pointless and unprofitable. The money quote, or I guess actually the loss-leader, was this: You are getting the fruits of a lot of labor and expense . . . for free. There’s nothing wrong with that.
ROFL.
If we want to win in ’six’ and ‘eight’, the Democrats need to “swiftboat” the Republicans. Now. Turn the tables. Give the opposition some of their own bitter medicine. Out-Rove, Rove. It CAN be done.
Jane, I’m also getting the 404. On PC w/IE.
I get 404.
How about this link instead?
http://firedoglake.blogspot.co…..egery.html
Swopa – what can I say? It was the Swinging Sixties. Everybody was experimenting.
If Jane had a hammer, she’d hammer every morning … tralalala
Jane Hamsher @ 5:19 pm (#156) – That link doesn’t work for me, either.
When I did a search of the site using “Ryan Lizza” (sans quotes) as the search string, I didn’t find an article that was even remotely close to that title.
PERSISTENT TROLL
Jane at 163 — Wasn’t the foppish alter-ego of the Scarlet Pimpernel named Percy Blakeney? (or something like that, I may have misspelled…) Perhaps Sir Percy the Fop needs a revival. But you are correct that I did call the poor boy “Ron,” after having sat with him through the entire dinner…which I think says something about his impression on people. Not someone who has really earned a raise in profile, I’d say.
Shrum the bum was just on countdown and FOR ONCE sounded reasonable….He said Hillary should call out Rover for his calling Mertha and Kerry cowards…….Take your wheaties today Bob….he also said Dems who voted for the war should just say THEY WERE WRONG and swallow thier pride…Hmmmm
Mary, please say what you’re drinking and where I can get some.
looseheadprop, you still on? I wanted to talk w you about differential diagnosis/malaria.
Fdl folk, help me contact her?
With all due respect to our gay brethren — if Santorum is so dedicated to “family values,” why is he wearing the gayest outfit ever seen on the floor of the U.S. Senate?
Ron Zuber’s link works.
Wilson- Yes the margin of error is about three points on most of the national polls. The Fox poll is up 5 points from the previous. The Survey USA poll is up three or four- the Gallup is also up three or four- the CBS poll is down one (I am doing those from memory and may have bungled one or more). Bottom line is- he’s getting a bump and is probably in the high thirties now if you average all the recent polls out.
Rob Zuber @ 5:25 pm (#170) – That article didn’t turn up on the firedoglake.com site. Maybe it’s not there?
Rob Zuber’s link works for me.
The bump won’t last….We need to stay on Rover and keep calling that troll out for his crap!!
The article in question shows up on the archive site.
With all due respect to our gay brethren %u2014 if Santorum is so dedicated to “family values,” why is he wearing the gayest outfit ever seen on the floor of the U.S. Senate?
RC-That outfit is beyond gay. It is its own perversion unto itself.
rcauthon at 178 — #1, no self-respecting gay man would ever wear that suit with that tie and #2 it’s seersucker season and Santorum is trying to signal to all his peeps in the South that he is “one of them” (Of course, living in PA, that’s a bit iffy, but there you go…oh, wait, he lives in Virginia now…)
Franco – from Shrum’s mouth to Maria Cantwell’s ears. Except that she’s already made her deal with the devil.
Darn it, I was trying to put the quotes in bold and I just *lossed* some key strokes. *g*
This Because%u2014let me be frank here%u2014we lose money. NRO is a loss leader. And here’s what’s unfortunate%u2014the print magazine is a loss leader too. We are surrounded by loss leaders. was the begin/end quote.
And here’s the appeal, if you don’t want to go to TBogg, but you’d still like to be appealed to(as a preoposition if not a proposition).
http://article.nationalreview……RmOTQzNzc=
I don’t know about repealing the 16th amendment, but I think that at FDL you may just have a shot at Christy’s chess pie recipe.
Lotus – coffee and cheap wine, there’s a reason they’ve been around so long. ;-)
shoephone @ 5:32 pm (#188) – Speaking of our esteemed Senator, have you heard of a woman who is running against her in the primary? I believe her name is Tran Hong. She works for a NW Justice Center, or some such. Kinda curious what her political and speaking skills might be.
rcauthen – was that outfit for real or photoshopped? Was there a giant bunny anywhere nearby?
rcauthen @ 5:28 pm (#179) – Maybe one of his kids gave him that tie for his birthday.
cujo359, I haven’t heard of Tran Hong yet, but I did see that Repub guy’s commercial. Funny, even with the sound off I could tell it was a repub commercial right off.
Honey, that’s not gay, that’s. . .
MAYDAY!
MAYDAY!
MAYDAY!
What? The pastel’s didn’t work for you either?
RC – my eyes hurt.
Pankest tie in the whole whirled.
Well, won’t show the spot when he spews his Pepto over the next polls . . .
RickieBoi does look stunning …
Hmm. Sam Seder is doing a book signing in Los Angeles tonight. Can’t find the location though. Anyone know a link for his tour schedule? Thanks.
Is THAT what Seersucker is? Always wondered.
Is THAT what Seersucker is?
Oh, the jokes just want to write themselves.
RW, that suit is sucking something. We’re just not sure what.
Cujo 359 – Her name is Hong Tran. I don’t know much about her except she’s a Cambodian emigre who has been active in community social justice issues. Apparently she spoke (so did Mark Wilson, the other challenger) at the WA State Dems convention two weeks ago, and was not very impressive. She has guts though: she openly criticized Cantwell during her speech. Problem was she criticized Maria’s environmental record. As we all know, while our Senator may be a dismal failure on her Iraq War vote, she has been exemplary on the environment. Maria going toe-to-toe with Ted Stevens over ANWR is something Hong Tran should have been aware of. It wasn’t exactly a secret. I’m afraid this election offers two choices: Vote for Cantwell or leave it blank. We don’t have a Ned Lamont here.
Maybe Sam is keeping the location quiet for some reason. He’s not mentioning it on his show right now (I’m streaming), but he must know people listen to him all over the country at different times…
It is a blow – Rove not being indicted. I suppose I get it, and I still think Fitz has been a model good guy for us to emulate, and thank. And the notion expressed widely, that not indicted means innocent is really just spin. One would have to be nearly brain dead to believe such a thing, or just looking for a reason to believe it. And the success of yearlyKos and the Plame Panel in specific is really encouraging.
But the truth is that the Blogsphere is trying to fight an incredible level of voter apathy and antipathy. The elections of 2000 and 2004 were won by Karl Rove’s being able to mobilize his triumvirate of the Religious Right, the traditional Conservatives, and the non-urban, quaisi-racist people horrified by the pop culture on their television sets. Those groups are still there, still the targets of campaigns like the one mounted in the last several days – post-Zarqawi, post-Rove.
For Bush’s first term, it felt like the labors of Sisyphus. It’s not like that now, but it’s uphill for sure, and Rove’s staying in place makes it steeper. There’s a danger of falling into the John Kerry haze of “the truth will make us free.” We all know the truth – Plamegate, Nigergate, unwarranted Domestic Spying, Signing Agreements, Gitmo, Torture – but we haven’t yet captured the spirit of America, and specifically haven’t captured the spirit of the American Youth. Their voting remains in the domain of American Idol.
It is a blow – Rove not being indicted.
that outfit looks more cocksucker than seersucker…
Egregious,
Just got home.
What is Differential diagnosis malaria?
*ilson 204 — yer a poet.
TRex @200 – LMAO!
Shoephone,
That’s the way I see it also. Depressing as hell.
Bustednuckles @ 5:39 pm (#194) – Every election it seems like the Republican Senate candidates get worse. The last one lost me completely when he aired the commercial implying that Patty Murray was sympathetic to bin Laden.
Seers don’t suck!
it’s good this site has enough gay commenters that can make the obvious (but politically-incorrect) cracks you str8 boiz can’t say anymore…
Hey guys metioning sucking and Santorum in the same sentence is just making me ill…..LOL
I love chess pie. I myself make the finest chocolate pecan pie evah.
Also, a great apple custard pecan pie. You see the pattern? Perhaps some Saturday morning we could have a recipe swap so I could do something new at home (this is my semi-bribery bid for Redd’s recipe).
PS Mary — great posts all day, thanks.
shoephone @ 5:45 pm (#203) – Too bad. I’m really in an “anybody but Cantwell” mood right now, but it keeps looking like it’s going to be Cantwell anyway.
Polls for Bush
Gallup up 2, CBS down 2, NBC/WSJ up 1, Fox up 5, Rasmussen – no bump.
Note the outlier.
Cujo359,
And Patty Murray is actually a decent rep. Cantwell, not so much.
At MSNBC.com now:
House Democrats vote to strip Rep. Jefferson of committee post
Imm! Apple custard pecan pie?! Would you have us faint dead away? That’s gotta be your first swap, okay?
Well the Dems did good by stripping Jefferson …Good on them.
That piece about Christy is a prime example of my other biggest gripe on writers and journalists – they’re friggin’ lazy.
Cannot believe the clinically predictable, formulaic crap they get paid to publish. In this case, just pull out the Acme Reporters Kit and grab the amusingly insightfulul module, and presto – aren’t you clever? Never mind this so called reportage contains the contradictory “former prosecutor” and “first taste of the establishment”, don’t interrupt, he’s on a droll
Apparently, I read way too much Tom Wolf and Russell Baker b/c now I expect these self appointed social chroniclers to at least be original, and if not, employ just a little effort so I don’t see the Acme Snark Generator coming three paragraphs away ?!?! Hey! If some Central Texas housewife can easily parody your shit, it’s time to get some new shit , maybe you and the other kewl kids could swap modules on-line and my eyes would quit glazing when reading your incredibly witty treatises
ok, for some reason it wont let me preview – please dear god, no double posts
I vote for a Sunday morning recipe swap.
Maybe we should do it by catagory?
One week pies, anothe r week cakes (I have a nice walnut sour cream cake)
the next week ethic food from our heritiage?
and so on
Lol, Fox up 5,
Oreilly must have voted twice.
Lotus, It is a VERY valuable recipe….
:~) Always happy to share.
Jefferson has not even been charged with a crime. I could agree with this action had he been indicted, but all we have to go on is the word of the FBI. Richard Jewel, anyone?
Another OT? from dinosaur dialup, so I can’t read comments. Hope this isn’t redundant.
Further on the Rethugs stunt Iraq vote:
And once Dems vote present, they should challenge the Rethugs whether they are present and ready to perform their consitutional oversight duties.
Bustednuckles @ 5:49 pm (#218) – Murray’s voting record is pretty good, but her staff seem to have more trouble communicating with the public. Cantwell could have run as a Republican twenty years ago in this state.
immanentize at 213 — you are on for this Saturday morning. We’ll do the first pie swap. *g* Along with some cultural discussion and other political thoughts, of course, to keep it on topic. Ahem.
Hey, Ho, Gotta go.
Have a pleasant evening y’all,
Cujo359 – I plan on doing a write-in vote for the primary. I’m going to write-in the name of a woman in my League unit. She’s 76 years old, loves the ballet (just like me!), works really hard for the League, and gives wonderful dinner parties.
Clearly, she shares my values.
Recipe swap the winnah by acclamation! Which weekend morning makes me no nevermind.
(And yes, imm, I smell its value all the way over to here.)
Ethnic food from my heritage: Guinness Stout.
I’ll save my recipe for Saturday.
Prairie Sunshine @ 5:53 pm (#227) – If you aren’t using the “refresh comments” button, you might want to try it. It will save a lot of bandwidth. I’m on broadband, but I’m using a fairly old computer (twin 750MHz P3s, if that’s any indication). It doesn’t take long at all to download a page, but as long as it is now, it can take thirty seconds to render (IOW, draw the page on the screen).
You might also want to see if your modem has compression enabled. With big text files like this web page, that makes a big difference.
Apple custard pecan pie — whoa.
All I have to offer is bannana bread, but I’m in.
Maria Cantwell comes from a very very political Indianapolis Democratic family — great progressive politics — I used to have a desk next to her father. She got elected to the House of Representatives but lost after only one term — I’m afraid that scarred her and she is now way too cautious…
OT…interesting story about a marine
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061506P.shtml
I await the pie recipes! I’m a lousy baker myself, not enough patience, don’t like to follow the rules, etc. Very good cook, though. Used to be a caterer.
shoephone @ 5:56 pm (#231) – I may do a protest vote, too. Just wish there was someone I really wanted to vote for who was running.
Cujo: “twin 750MHz P3s” you have a double-header that old? an ancient server perhaps?
Holy shit — there’s a Republican congressman from NC (Rep. Howard Coble) yelling at the rest of the GOP about their “cut and run” bullshit. Has he spoken out on the war previously? I don’t remember him doing so — anyone know?
This is great, Christy! Mrs. Imm and Imm junior are headed to Texas to visit my wife’s parents/family for a week. I have abig writing project to work on. I have requested more pecans from the motherland (her grandparents’ trees in Brenham, TX). So swapping recipes will keep my family in my mind and baking will keep me busy….
*ilson46201 @ 5:58 pm (#236) – I guess if I could have a sitdown with her, I’d have to ask “Look you don’t need to work. If you’re going to get defeated, wouldn’t you rather it was for what you did right?”
Doubtful that would work, of course.
Yeah, shoephone, that’s the rub with baking: yer prolly in trouble if you freestyle the recipe.
Immanentize — would you like the chocolate chess pie or the orange chess pie recipe — or both?
Redd, if I had to choose, I will go with the more traditional orange one. But I am sufficiently forward to ask for both!
How should we do this, just get ready to post on Saturday? Mid-morning? Lunchtime?
shoephone
I used to cater too! During law school.
Anyway, bking does not really require recipres just some basic rules,
For cakes and muffins ususally 1t of baking soad per cup of flour and you will need an acid like buttermilk or sourcream or fruit juice.
this ratio works for pancakes too
For pie crust just rememebr half as much shortning/butter as fluor, half as much ice water as shortning plus use lots of flour in the roll out.
And so forth
Anybody like raisin pie? Or rollie pollies?
*ilson46201 @ 6:01 pm (#240) – Believe it or not, it’s a workstation. Still does many things acceptably fast, like recompile a Linux kernel or Firefox, but it’s slow at rendering pages, because it only uses one CPU for that. Actually, I like that it only uses one CPU, because the other CPU can deal with all the other stuff that’s going on, like my typing, moving the mouse, etc. In some ways, it’s much smoother than a single 1.2GHz CPU, or whatever the practical equivalent would be.
I’ve had two workstations since then. They both burned out (one burned out multiple times), but this one just keeps on going.
What are rollie pollies, OK kiddo?
Just in: Bill Gates announces he’s retiring from being the main software guru at MS. Guess he’s going to make the Gates Foundation his main gig. Not a bad move IMHO (although investors drove MS stock down after the announcement).
I just want somebody to bake the pie FOR me. Maybe I’ll pay the shipping.
Just heard that my dear DiFi was the only Dem who voted with all the R’s on the judiciary committee to vote to move the the flag protection amendment to the full Senate. Nice goin’, DiFi.
What the hell is up with all the “patriotic” bullshit going on this week? I mean, Rove’s off the hook, right? Or was this all planned to counter some other really bad news we don’t know about yet?
At risk of being EPU’d
This is pretty good from dkos
Of course, if I keep eating pie, I’ll never lose the ten pounds I gained sitting on my ass in front of the computer since last summer.
Decisions, decisions.
Okay, how about the chocolate and the orange chess pies, both?
Boy, JWR, that one was really gratuitous.
looseheadprop –
great rules! I wanted to get back to you on the conspiracy, unindicted co-conspirator Rove thing. Your point was a good one and I had to pause and think about it. Actually, Fitz could be ready to indict on all types of conspiracies, including a superceding indictment against Libby upping the ante. It is a common US Attorney technique, but it is generally used when you want to flip one guy (Libby) by upping the stakes significantly to get him to rat out a bigger fish. But I don’t know who here is a real potential bigger fish. I know there is a lot of Cheney hope, but I don’t share it. Card has been awfully quiet lately…. And what is Hadley up to? Addington?
If Hayden really is the Negroponte answer to Cheney’s run-amukedness, then perhaps. Perhaps.
DiFi = gatuitous = persona non grata.
homo stupidus? I’ve met a few airhead twinks …
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6:02 pm (#241) – Just saw a Republican Congressman on The NewsHour having his hands tied together to protest the lack of a debate on Iraq. I don’t think his name was Coble, though.
I think the Republicans are aware that people watch C-SPAN, whaddyathink?
[moderator: that was Democrat Neil Abercrombie - a good progressive]
Well, JWR, July 14th IS flag day. *g*
immanentize at 244 — I thought I’d do this as the first thread on Saturday morning. And we’ll just post stuff in the comments. Does that work for everyone? I’ll do some sort of pithy intro that’s on point…or something like that, depending on how much coffee I’ve had by that point. (And, just FYI, Rep. Steve Chabot just said that “Saddam’s sons are no doubt roasting in hell” on the floor of the House. While possibly true, I ask myself whether this is the best we can do in political discourse in our nation?)
not gatuitous. gRatuitous.
I’m having a headache now. That Wm Malo guy put a dent in my mood.
Christy — great for me!
AND, it has the advantage of being a potential fundraising tool —
The FDL cookbook! Food for a Revolution.
Oh boy — Saddy pies!
immanentize @262 – I love it.
lotus at 6:12 pm – Sorry about that. Got a little overwrought is all.
NOOOO, JWR — her’s, not yours!
And why I put that apostrophe in hers, we don’t know.
“The FDL cookbook! Food for a Revolution.”
That’s a thought, and here’s another ; )
Whoops, link…
http://www.sportspublishingllc.com/book.cfm?id=726
imminentize
I don’t see him superceding at all,, GREYMAIL
being what it is.
I could have seen a Rove indictment. I could have seen a conspiracy case with Rove as an unidicted co-conspirator. When I was having a day of irrational exhuberance, i might have even fantasized about a conspiracy case including Cheney as the mmastermind.
What I have never been able to figure out was how to neutralize the Greymail.
The thing I like about the “sealed pardon” theory is that it both accounts for all th eknown facts AND the rumors, but I can also figure out mechanically/legally how it would play out and what that would look like to the public.
I gotta admit, I was a little hesitatant to click on the link to Byron York’s piece – expecting the worst, of course. But, at the risk of being flamed, I didn’t think it was that bad…
I mean, it was just silly – he talks about emptywheel hurrying to go and write about their conversation (because that’s what bloggers do) and what did he do? Hurry to write about their conversation. Plus, he got in all of our talking points about this gang of crooks – like treason, humiliated and discredited shill, desperate, subverting the constitution, images of life in prison, on and on…sure, he got the crux of it wrong, but that’s what those wingnuts do.
What a putz! If I didn’t know better, I’d think he learned something from the Plame panel…
lotus at 6:23 pm
..her’s, not yours.
Thanks, Lotus. I assumed that was what you meant, but I always try really hard to stay on everyone’s good side, just in case ;-)
FWIW: Larry King on CNN is doing a good show on Gays and The Church…
Christy – re: pie – you mean we gotta CHOOSE!
Both please.
hey
where’d everybody go?
Who you missing, lhp?
a confession: I have never been able to make a decent pie crust — I have tried and tried … but light, sweet bread is my specialty!
Good lord, J.D. Hayworth just threw out every platitude ever written about war. What an unoriginal moron.
all the sudden. commenting has slowed to an (almost) stop.
I thought maybe there was a new thread, but did not find one
I think everybody nipped off to rifle through their recipe boxes . . .
JD Hayworth has a pea brain…Sorry for insulting the pea.
*ilson — I’ve given up on making my own pie crust after finding the refrigerator ones are good enough for me. I know that’s shameful to say, but my time is limited and good pie crust takes a careful hand that I just don’t have at the moment with a 3 year old in the kitchen. But the Pillsbury crusts in the refrigerator section are pretty damn good — and work just fine for us.
perhaps everyone went off for a bite…
mmm…baking…
I was thinking that maybe Jane, Christy, and emptywheel should have a retreat and come up with a strategy for the blogosphere for the next 5 months. Then I read Katleens Reardon’s piece, Countering Terms of Ensmearment, in the Huffington Post, and thought it would be really good to have her come too!
lhp, I think you might have malaria.
The repeating fevers of 2-3 days plus delirium.
Where have you traveled?
“I think everybody nipped off to rifle through their recipe boxes . . .”
looking for the Second Amendment?
lhp, the thread crawled to a stop so we could ask you if you have had a comprehensive physical examination including the possibility of malaria.
GAH, that’s another thing FDL has messed up for me! That pie I took to the shrimp-feast last week had the saddest crust I’ve turned out in years — just ’cause I couldn’t tear myself away from whatever we were woofin’ about that afternoon!
‘Chiffon wrinkles too easily’
;>)
Lotus…
Rollie pollies? This is what barefoot kids in overalls used to eat for dessert. Me included. A recipe handed me from my Grandma. It starts with left-over, made from scratch biscuit dough, with yes, dare I say it, a hint of lard and actual butter. A tiny bit of yeast, dried or otherwise, and a bit of baking soda (for the salt effect). Roll the dough in ovals or whatever, and stuff with what’s left of the days canning of preserves, jellies, jams or fruit. Egg wash. Roll ‘em and fork around the edges, and bake until golden. Powdered sugar, and whipped cream on top if you have it, and serve hot. Watch the kids smile. This is French pastry, Oklahoma style.
Cozumel:
Carl Yazstremski!
Carl Yazstremski!
Carl Yazstremski!
The man they called “Yaz”
imman, let me get this straight. You personally served the head of the Klan AND you can cook? Sigh…
Would any of you good bakers have a quick thought about:
why recipies that worked fairly well in coastal (but drier) Santa Monica make dense bricks in San Francisco?
I’m an enthusiastic baking ignoramus….. any answers will be gratefully consumed.
Lordy, OK kiddo, and not just the kids smiling!
Yes, I’ll swap ya something good for that one.
OK, I am willing to devastate the real southern dwellers out there if you are very nice to me — I will share my recipe for (wait for it)
Tomato Pie! The real deal!
immanentize,
The only time I’ve ever been to Fenway (once), Yaz was playing. Red Sox – Angels, 1970 ; )
Kirk, there’s a famous guy whose name I’m blanking — Mc[Something] — who writes about the science of cooking — just what you’re talking about: humidity, altitude — how the molecules do their thing in this dish and that.
I bet somebody here knows who I’m talking about . . .
kirk murphy — could it be an altitude issue? Baking is all about physics, and altitude (or humidity) can play a huge role in the recipe. Both require adjustment. Just a theory, but that could be it.
Lawdy, just let me live to see Saddy mawnin’.
Kirk – did you change anything else? Like maybe a different brand of flour?
egrigioys,
I have been tested for malaria nad everything else under the sun.
I have traveled in ht eUS, the carribean,Bermuda and Europe Not malaria zones.
Anyway, iwas tested for it, twice, at different labs
kirk, in my current life, I’m a pastry chef. If you give me some specifics, I can help.
NEW THREAD
hi lhp & egregious -
i had the same thought when lhp described the pattern called (i think) unknown febrile episodes…
i didn’t speak up ’cause i was fearful of intruding….
and hope i’m not now -
but thanks to egregious for pointing out the apparent dx!
By the way, I am with Christy on the home made pie crust issue. I would love to make them from scratch, but the quality is uncertain and the time it takes is just too great with the nugget running around my legs pitching a fit to go out and play.
dengue fever is getting popular again — been tested for that?
Harold McGee, great guy and important book on the science of cooking.
meta,
Then you MUST participate on Saturday. Please help me find a way to make a good crust reliably.
The hidden (and revealed) talents on this site are awe-inspiring.
YES, meta! Thanks!
Boy, I bet those righty blogs don’t have resident pastry chefs, huh?
I can make pretty good pastry (old recipe with egg and vinegar) but I don’t generally make desserts that involve more than one mixing bowl. I don’t have a lot of principles, but that’s one of them.
OK
I’m a lawyer not a med.
What is a febrile episode?
And is it as bad as it sounds?
Christy @ 259, The whole Ohio GOP bunch is weak, weak, weak. They think if they stand up on the House floor and cheer loud enough, that’ll work as well as good governance. I’m sad to say we are not alone.
Ever notice how often the Republicans are quoting FDR? They have no use for him–at least not the ones I know– but pull him out of a dusty drawer to make a cheap debate point, and move on.
Maybe I’m just too cynical but, given his audience, I read York’s mention of all the Plame panel’s talking points as just another form of wingnut button pushing. Reminders to the base, in a way, but cloaked in the garb of high-brow journalism.
Even still, it was nothing compared to Rich Lowry’s commentary today on NPR, with his conflation of Hillary’s Whitewater situation with that of Rove.
And one more point on DiFi. I don’t think her vote was gratuitous at all. She really believes in that stuff.
I’d love to. After a fantastic and rewarding career in another field, I am following another form of excitement in the world of gorgeous objects of desire. I don’t eat them, just make them!
I work on Saturday but will check in.
*ilson46201 @ 6:56 pm (#308) – dengue fever is getting popular again
Dengue fever never really went out of style …
immanentize says:
Tomato Pie! The real deal!
Imman, ever hear of onion pie?
You caramelize the onions in butter, introduce them to a pie shell, add some cream (and ham, if you like that sort of thing) and throw the lot in the oven.
It can make you cry it’s so good.
Thanks everyone for weighing in on the pie crust issue. Piecrusts have always been a problem for me. I’ve had better luck giving my cats baths. Glad to know the prefab route is a viable one.
Ooo, moi — I’ve come by a Junior League of Jackson, MS, cookbook with Eudora Welty’s recipe for onion pie what she got from Katherine Anne Porter (who brought it back from France). Miss Eudora’s sounds very like yours.
wow – thanks for so many ideas…
I’m not thinking altitude is much different – Santa Monica was around 100 ft above sea level, and here in SF I’m about 60 feet.
The humidity is higher here and the ambient temperature is lower: 50’s/60’s vs 70’s/80’s.
Water in both areas was hard – sf from the granite catherdral of Hetch Hetchy in the Sierras; Santa Monica from artesian wells (before the MTBE came). I don’t have my prinouts on the precise water comp on hand.
I’ve used King Arthur Flour (where I could find it) and organic wheat flour from the co-ops’. The local co-ops’ buy their flour from the same supplier as my much loved Santa Monica Co-opportunity, so that may not be a variable. I used to use regular old bread machine in a bottle mix – bad foodie:) – but since I started making bricks I’ve been varying the yeasty beasties without much success.
I will go find the Harold Mc Gee book – thanks!
What exactly IS dengue fever?
thanks to all of you who are helping raise my bricks!
i posted specifics (above – awaiting leavening) – but want to post thanks before the epu sucks you all awayyyyy…
lotus at 318 — you MUST share that one on Saturday. :)
Onion pie , yes yes yes.
How about my saited Irsih grandma’s Shepards Pie??
First you need anice plump shepard…..
looseheadprop @ 72
Bless you for spelling it out. Andy McCarthy and Patrick Fitzgerald were in the front of the frontlines, and if they seem shrill ever, because of their up-close view of what the jihadists are about, they felt this way before the horrors of 9/11. They saw their beliefs play out in horrific fashion, when the rest of us were surprised. I’ve found the Foundation for Defense of Democracies to have a thought-provoking web site, and features more articles by him that provide a better idea of his way of looking at things.
I still have real heartburn about his proposition that Dana Priest should be indicted for her writing exposing the secret prisons. Unless I’m completely simple-minded (possible), any unlawful act can be classified and therefore no whistle ever blowable. I tried to understand his point of view, and re-read the article, but IMHO he’s all wet on this one. But I got his explanation about how we blew it with the Iraq constitution. (Find that on the FDD site.) Mr. McCarthy is one voice I’m willing to read and continue reading as I try to discern the truth among a constellation of points-of-view.
lotus,
It’s a family recipe, don’t know where it originated, but I forgot to add the integral part : the kicker is you have to add a generous amount of nutmeg.
I very definatley part company with Mister McCarthy on the propriety of indicting Dana Priest.
Illegal classification is the problem, not ms. Priest.
Now please don’t dismiss me as a TROLL. I really, really just want to discern the truth, and I earnestly poll from different sources and voices so that I’m confident that I have not joined a herd for the relief of agreement and fellowship. I’m ok with a burr under my saddle if at the end of the day, I am closer to seeing things the way they really are.
I depart company from Mr. McCarthy on Ms. Priest so much that I wanted to write him a shrill letter in ALL CAPS. But I have a 3 year old, and 50 hr/week job, and I am lazy :-)
Joy b
Not just McCArthy and Fitz. Dave Kelley (immediate past US Attorney SDNY) came up with the idea for creating a counter terrorism unit at hte USAO SDNY and sold tha t idea to MAry Jo White. He and Fitz co-founded that unit.
Michael Garcia (current USA SDNY) was also in that unit.
lotus, that sounds delish. I love baked onions in milk.
I have a Republican Women’s Cookbook of Meats from 1969, with a recipe from Pat Nixon on the first page. Mainly I use it for finding new BBQ recipes, there are tons.
my comment 327 about not wanting to be marked as a TROLL was not in response to anyone’s response, btw, but just an anticipatory thing. Some things popped up before I clicked submit. Ok, back to lurking…
RE: bricks –
Aha! King Arthur flour is low a low gluten flour – bread machine flour has higher gluten flour.
dibs on little Ricky’s Senate outfit. SFPride’s in less than two weeks and I haven’t a thing to wear.
Seriously, who gets up in the morning and sez, “Oh I’ll wear this to work!” and isn’t a practicing fellationist?
hi lhp –
anyway, as a proud and out nerd, i’ll confess a secret of medical nerds: we spend a lot of effort learning fancy words for simple stuff*.
fevers are really common, so we get to learn the big scary word for that right away:
febrile
docs like to find patterns (did you know abnormal heart beats can be classified as either “regularly irregular” or “irregularly irregular”? just reading that hurts…)
“episode” is the fancy doc word for “occasional event” (as contrasted with a constant event – like, say, constant fevers…er…febrile episodes.)
so
“febrile episode” is simply fancy med jargon for “fever event”.
Sorry to have given you cause for concern!
The classificiation of fevers by cause “etiology” includes a category known as FUO’s.
The FUO’s arent from Area 59 – FUO is the medical acronyn for: ta-da
“fevers of unknown origin”
This is the fancy medical term for fevers with no diagnosis.
This diagnostic category doesn’t mean anything about prognosis – it’s literally a description of the lack of diagnosis.
Once again, apologies if my loose diagnostic flights of fancy caused you distress…
Kirk
(*then we make little peepholes and sit in comfy chairs watching you all develop back problems in the office chairs we got free from the orthopedist down the hall….so can can come in find out what the words mean. then we tell you we can’t do anything about it, and we go back to reading journals and chuckling at he waiting room from time to time. then we go to lunch.)
Thank you Kirk Murphy
That is my “official” diagnosis from my doctors
Fevers of unknown origin.
When my doctor fisrt told me that, I thought it was a joke. It took several times before he could convice me he wasn’t deadpanning and pulling my leg.
OK – i confess – you know the stuff about watching the patients wait in the chairs we got free from the orhopedist before you come in to ask what the fancy word mean and we tell you and say we can’t do anything about it?
I lied.
The orthopedists pay us to use the chairs.
I won’t tell you who pays for the medication bottlecaps no one can open, but they sure kept the OCD clinic busy…
kirk, sounds like you’re making bread? There shouldn’t be any significant atmospheric differences between the two locations. It sounds like either your yeast isn’t active, or your proofing environment isn’t right or not enough time is allowed for rising. With bread, it’s mostly weather, time, and ingredients- the protein/gluten content of the flour. Good luck!
Has anyone seen this? Anyone in the know want to comment on presentments versus indictments? And WTF about “no comment” on whether the investigation is ongoing?
hi lhp – when i first heard about it in pathology, i cracked up….
a sense of humor is not always a good thing in a big lecture hall…
Margot…
Baked onions in milk? Sounds intriguing. Is that as good as hot corn bread in ice cold milk? I am wondering if it makes a difference in the type of onions? For me I might think I would prefer Hawaiian, Walla Wallas or Vidallias, as opposed to say, yellow or Spanish onions (onions which I dearly love) in milk.
gman
read it and we have been discussing all day, on and off. You can go back over the threads if you have time.
I had a couple long screeds all full of speculation
thanks again for the warm kitchen here on fdl -
thanks Christy for your knowledge about altitude and the physics of baking
and jlr thanks for knowing so much about the flour and what it could mean…
and meta thanks so much for sharing your skill and art and training
and lotus and meta thanks for turning me on to what looks like a really good book
thanks for help that may have come while i’m typing (i’m slow)
y’all rock!
[between readig fdl and baking - i think i better start learning about treadmills. if i don’t start walking on one while i’m fdl’n i’m gonna become a rolly poly myself…]
Margot,
just onions in the milk or onion and cheese?
Kirk are you baking bread?
I am so hungry now
I was helping my niece write her senior high school history final paper today, and was struck by this commentary on post WWI germany…
As I was reading her essay I came across this chilling sentence and got the willies…
Stretched to the breaking point, militarily, and financially, confidence in its gov’t and place in the world shattered, other world powers turning in coalition against it….
If you are baking bread, don’t time the rise by time. Time the rise by volume.
Back in my stay at home mom days, I used to make bread every other day. Often I would harvest wild yeast from grapes or apples.
Unlike commercial yeast, they sometimes took days to rise properly, espeacailly if it was winter.
I don’t use the wet tea towel. I used platic wrap.
before you put the dough in the bowl to rise, oil the inside of the bowl, put the dough in and then flip the dough over so the top side is sealed with the oil. The put plastic rap over the top of hte bowl and put in a warm place to rise.
If you think your yeast is too volatile and/or you are afraid of mold (in really rainy weather) you can do a very slow controlled rise in the bottom of the refrigerator,(yep the fridge,not warm) but it can take a week.
With a slow rise you may not get the uneven hole formation that you see in breads like Ecco Panne
Oh, the volume:
When it doubles in volume, it is finished rising
King Arthur makes all kinds of flour. Cake flour is the lowest in gluten- bread flour the highest- all purpose is in between (hence the name- get it?). I think that pasta flour is even lower.
Want a good cracked wheat bread recipe?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13…../newsweek/
Link to a story in Newsweek that claims that because of Iraq, Clusterfuck is being run over by most of the world in negotiating nearly everything. Pay attention dems. This is the kind of stuff that can win elections.
lhp -
yes and no – i bake often, but i’m not baking at this moment
lhp @ 341:
Thanks. Went back a few threads and found it. Seems rather worrisome, but who knows at this point.
It’s not the classification even, it’s having secret rendition prisons for torture at all.
LHP,
Whats involved in harvesting yeast from apples or grapes ? I’ve read about harvesting from existing fermentation, but that presumes you had a good batch of yeast to start.
I was curious about this, I’ve made wine a few times, but with commercial yeast, everything else from scratch, and I’ve how do you harvest yeast from scratch ?
lhp and rwcole -
thanks!
lhp – wow! wild yeasts? what a blessing! what fun!
and i’m embarassed to say i’ve been tending to my tender yeasty beasties by the clock, rather than by their biological activity. that whole dough volume thing is very helpful.
perhaps the problem with my dense loaves has been the dense biologist baking them.
rwcole –
i would love a good cracked wheat recipe – and thanks for helping me learn about flour (i’ve been wondering what “all-purpose” meant)
OK Kiddo, it’s just the sweetest best way I’ve ever eaten an onion. I’ve lost the cookbook for it but I’ll find a recipe online. I remember putting halves of onions in a small baking dish, covering with milk, some butter, salt, cover and bake. Vidalia’s my favorite, but the first time I made it it was just a regular old yellow onion. The milk condenses.
mmm… onions!
This is too perfect. Recipe traders. Okay, let’s get it straight – Ana Marie Cox is a moron, has bad taste in short pants, drinks too much, takes it up the ass, and likes to use sperm as face cream. I’m as much of a fan of character assassination as the next guy so keep up the good work.
Actually I thought Byron York’s piece was virtually unreadable. I guess I expect too much thought and fairness and willingness to be sympathetic and dealing with complexities and all that. *Sigh*
I wasn’t in Vegas, but I saw the CSPAN coverage and think that “journalists” like York could have given more attention to Wilson’s actual role and his statments than the well-deserved and obligatory words of praise here and there by other members of the panel.
Some journalism is like looking at the surface of someone’s cracked broken mirror. Sorry I can’t think of a better metaphor.
The dishonest part of York’s piece is that –although Wilson is a bonified hero in my mind– York breezes over the fact that Wilson is one of the “honored guests.” And honored guests on any panel, academic, and otherwise are treated with honor. Instead York and Cox boil it down to simple hero worship and idolatry by the “barbarians.” It shows disrespect for the panel and Wilson. Would the National review show the same disrespect for featured speakers at other conventions? I wonder.
Hell yes Jane! They are dragging Angels body around out there – fuck I hate to see that. Let’s GO!