
So Chuck Schumer, head of the Democratic Incumbent Senatorial Campaign Committee sees no problem in supporting a Holy Joe "Cut-and-Run 2006" independent candidacy over dedicated Democrat Ned Lamont. According to Hotline:
At a briefing for the Washington, D.C. political press corps today, DSCC chair Chuck Schumer was in a mood to marvel and brag. Last night, with the victory of Jim Webb, Democrats finally found their eighth competitive Senate contest. (Chuck always wanted eight; Dems need to win at least six and keep hold of the roughly four Dem-held seats that are vulnerable.)
Pointing to the victories of Webb, a Reagan Democrat with a flair for non-traditional Democratic positions, and Jon Tester, who spent half as much as his primary challenger in Montana, Schumer said that party activists had turned to pragmatism and were less inclined to hold candidates to litmus tests.
Schumer said the Dem primary voters want winners and are focused one electability. He couldn’t resist adding even "in 2008," which pricked the ears of reporters who thought he was sending a message about the relative electability of Hillary Clinton. (He wasn’t, apparently.)
Schumer said that the DSCC "fully supports" Sen. Joe Lieberman in his primary bid, and he refused to rule out continuing that support if Lieberman were to run as an independent.
There were degrees of independence, Schumer said. "You can run as an independent, you can run as an independent Democrat who pledges to vote for Harry Reid as Majority Leader."
Now we’ll skip over the irony of Chuck Schumer boasting about the Tester win. (I myself am rather happy that the Mavericks are doing well against the Heat , but I’m also aware that I had about as much to do with that as Schumer had to do with Tester’s victory.) No, we’ll go straight to the main course — this is all about incumbency protection. The preservation of entrenched power and maintaining the status quo. The big, fat bird that most Democrats flipped the netroots during the Alito confirmation? Multiply it times ten, they’re flipping it to every registered Democrat in the nation now. It’s All About Them.
If you find this to be Not Okay, you can do several things:
- Go to Ned Lamont’s site and sign a petition to call for Joe to commit to support the Democratic candidate in November. Nobody else is obviously going to do it.
- Call your Democratic Senator and tell them that as a Democratic constituent you expect them to support the, you know, Democrat. (It may seem a bit remedial but many seem to be having trouble grasping this.)
- Go to the
DSCCISCC blog (called, ironically "From the Roots" — oh lordy) and let them know how you feel (short, painless registration process is worth the trouble) - Volunteer to phone bank for Ned Lamont if you live in Connecticut by contacting one of the district offices. As Colin McEnroe noted this morning, this could be make-or-break for the campaign as we get down to the wire.
If you do stop by the DSCC and send Chuck some love, you might want to point him to the DSCC mission statement from their own web site, which says:
The sole mission of the DSCC is to elect more Democrats to the Senate.
This is on their — wait for it — fundraising page (see screen cap above). Don’t they think it’s a wee bit dishonest to tell people they are raising money expressly for this purpose, and then use it to DEFEAT a Democrat? I think they’ve got some truth in advertising issues here, myself.



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Fitz!
A zero comment? Rootz! Fitz! We the People!
fair and open primaries, i say. let the people have their say. is that so hard, washingcrats?
Colbert!
Chuck Schumer, while not a very nice person, isn’t usually this stupid. Use the DSCC web page to remind the Senators that what goes around, comes around. If Lamont wins the primary and Lieberman runs as an independent, those Dem Senators who support Joe will face blogosphere backed independents in THEIR next general election campaign.
That’ll shut ‘em up fast.
Y’all can slap me for being OT here, but I read this in the T-P today, and it was priceless, FDL’ers will apreciate James Gill’s wonderful gift of industrial-strength snark. I hope the link works ok: http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/gill/ind…..321610.xml if not, go to NOLA decimal Com and pull James Gill out of their pages. You’ll be glad you did, I promise. It’s about the 3 suicides at Guano.
regarding the think progress report;
we need to formulate the proper responses and get these to the democrats so they are properly prepared
1)for instance when a pundit mentions 9/11 the democrat needs to say;
this president cut and ran from the agencies that delivered the attack on September 11th, they failed this country and they initiated an unprovoked attack on a country all of their military strategists advised against
this administration needs to pay attention to the generals and strategists and stop letting draft dodgers overrule the finest military advise on the planet
2)when the pundit tries to call democrats sheepish the democrat needs to respond;
anyone who supports the policies of cutting and running from the fight against terrorism, diverting the vital funds our boys and girls needed for success in Afghanistan so they could initiate an unprovoked attack on a country that posed no threat needs to just shut up because they look pretty darned foolish
etc
we need to write a formula for the democrats to draw off of…hopefully they will embellish they have, but they surely need direction in how to respond and take away the “tools” that don’t exist
This is nuts. Schumer has lost his mind if he thinks Dems will stand for him or the DSCC supporting anyone but the winner of the primary. Independent means independent of the party. DSCC money is ONLY for Democratic candidates.
Mighta been covered in the last thread, but if not:
New Digby post on Lieberman:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..7155195451
I got a contribution solicitation emailed from the DSCC and wrote back that they’d not get a cent from me until they pledged that they would support the winners of the Democratic primaries, and in particular the winner of the Connecticut Demo primary.
Ah, my first EPU. Wasn’t as great as I thought it would be.
–snip–
On Lieberman %u2014 Jane, ask Colin to help you find a profile of Lieberman’s vote on Bork that was in Northeast Magazine (where Colin has his column). That’s all you need to know. It started as a “day in the life of a senator” blah, blah, blah, and turned into an amazing look inside a man who is desperate to be courted. He was never going to vote for Bork all along, but he played the rest of the Senate like a fiddle while each side treated him like royalty, courting him and his precious vote.
Then, when it was payoff time, he intentionally waited until the thing was decided to vote so he wouldn’t be seen as the key vote up or down. He was pushing himself as the one who could decide it during the courting, but then weaseled out of taking any kind of stand. Sound like the cloture vote, anyone??
OT, but too pitiful not to mention %u2014 last story on NBC Williams news tonight was a frisky W teasing the press corps this AM. Made fun of a guy “wearin’ shades” when there was no sun out this morning. Turns out the reporter from the LA Times (sorry, missed the name) is LEGALLY BLIND.
Just kill me now and get this over with.
So the DSCC has joined the Republican Party and decided that they no longer support Democracy in America.
And…just imagine Joe being the independent swing vote in a 51-49 Senate. The stroking he will get from both sides, nearly continuously will….well, I’ll leave it to Punaise to finish the visual…
could someone tell me what an epu is please
been around long enough to know, but I don’t
kirby 11 — thanks will do, sounds very telling.
The good news in all of this is that when Ned Lamont is in the Senate next year, it will be an indisputable victory for the netroots. And maybe some of those incumbent Dems will roll over for us as easily as they do for the Republicans when they realize that their jobs depend on it.
TheOtherWA >”…Schumer has lost his mind…Independent means independent of the party. DSCC money is ONLY for Democratic candidates.”
I really never thought he had much of one
Might there be a law suit to file if they try to spend funds collected for one purpose for someone/something not of the party ?
Something about collecting money under false pretenses maybe ?
Man this could make La Brea (tar pits) look like an ice rink
“There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things.” – Niccol Machiavelli (The Prince, 1532)
OT – Congress voted themselves another pay raise. Guess they weren’t paying attention when the Pennsylvania state legislature voted themselves a pay raise in 2004 (later repealed) and 12 incumbents in Republican primaries were toppled this year.
OT: just arrived in my Inbox:
Truthout will issue a statement on the Rove story today at 5:00 p.m. Pacific. The post will appear on our blog at:
http://forum.truthout.org/blog
I just called Barbara Boxer’s office. They said they can’t discuss anything involving politics on the phone since it’s her official office. They referred me to barbaraboxer.com. That site has no email. WTF!? How amy I supposed to call and let her know I expect her to support Lamont (or at least not to throw any weight behind Lieberman) ?
me to me — EPUd is for our very own Evil Parallel Universe who always seemed to post great things just as a new thread started.
You know who would be great for your strategies? The D caucus that is named for being under a certain age — with Kendall Meek, Debbie Wasserman Schmidt, etc. — the ones who first jumped on our rubber stamp message.
There are just enough of them that haven’t sold out and can create an echo chamber if Pelosi will let them during the debate.
Just put up a comment on the most recent DSCC state roundup post. There’s a strong troll warning on their comment page, so it will be interesting to see if they do a Washington Post with it (I was polite, but very clear).
sorry.. I mean to say:
I just called Barbara Boxer’s office – 415-403-0100. They said they can’t discuss anything involving politics on the phone since it’s her official office. They referred me to barbaraboxer.com. That site has no phone number to call. WTF!? How amy I supposed to call and let her know I expect her to support Lamont (or at least not to throw any weight behind Lieberman) ?
This from Digby (#9) was priceless:
“Here’s the plan. First, the Democratic terrorists are going to kick Lieberman’s ass. After that, they are going to kick the Republican party’s ass. And finally they will kick bin Laden’s ass. We didn’t create this hard core political environment, the Republicans did, with the help of self-serving Dems like Lieberman. Now somebody has to clean up all these messes. The crazed Democratic terrorists who are willing to cast aside all morality by ruthlessly supporting a primary challenger (who is not a travelling Deadhead, but rather a middle of the road self made millionaire) seem to be the only ones who are willing to do it.”
me to me: the term supposedly means “Evil Parallel Universe” and means your comment at the end of a previous thread was never seen because a new thread was started while you were posting.
It has to be one of the most obscure net-isms ever coined.
Tim, 23
I’m guessing it’s because they don’t want your comments…or anyone eles’s that doesn’t protect the incumbent racket
OT.
Looks like the Countdown to the “takedown” of Olbermann has begun.
Eggboy Drudge is running this:
“NBC EXECUTIVES MEET OVER MORE OLBERMANN EMAILS SET FOR PUBLICATION, SAY SOURCES… DEVELOPING…”
-GSD
me to me @ 7,
Prof. George Lakoff on framing
ratbahstad, that was a non-statement statement, now wasn’t it? Looks like Jason won’t be revealing his souces. Sham-a-rama.
There were degrees of independence, Schumer said.
just like there are varying degrees of being pregnant or dead.
i’ve e-mailed chuck many times — he ignores me because he has a higher calling than representing his constitiuents — hillary feigns interest
the two party system is reaching the stage where it no longer gives americans much choice — the differences on domestic matters are grist for the incumbency mill because the two parties have the same foreign policy, excepting mavericks like russ feingold
within the two party system it’s impossible to get americans to face reality as america slides downhill — immediately after 9/11 bush was very popular, which only shows that americans are easy to fool, as they sit in their dens & watch other folks’ kids suffer through a misbegotten war that’s going awry
the american legal system isn’t equipped to handle the war crimes that team bush commits — the world’s only chance for justice is if international courts take action
I’m sure that some of the more committed political junkies here (and I mean that in the nicest possible way!) know the answer to this: When was the last time a Senator or Congressman was defeated in a primary election? I’ve never heard of it, it has to be almost unheard of.
“Ah, my first EPU. Wasn’t as great as I thought it would be.”
Hahaha, funny t-shirt slogan.
Re: Olbermann — his e-mails said Rita Cosby was dumb — hardly a firing offense, since she is on the way out anyway.
Back to CT: Dodd will be fascinating to watch. He has always been the good party man, gave Joey’s nominating speech, etc. BUT, he has 08 fever. This will be a fascinating calculation to watch — does he support Joey for old times’ sake to support the incumbent racket, or does he do a full-on for Ned wanting all of us to support his maverick run, as well???
I just watched Matthews interview the Webb guy (Saunders) and the Allen guy. It should be a lesson for all Dem. candidates going forward: keep the subject on Iraq. When they try to change the conversation to immigration, get it back to Iraq.
Hang this war around their necks and keep it there!
There absolutely CANNOT be a Dem nominee for 2008 who voted yes on the IWR.
RB #19:
Essentially, continued until next Monday. No outing of sources. Jason Leopold’s wonderful. Trust us.
the point is that here, at firedoglake, and other blogs, we are better informed, better prepared, more well versed then our political representatives
I people like jane and marcus and christy have the ear of our represntatives and they would sure be able to use the advise and the pros
with the rare exception of people like feingold, democrats do talk like losers
they need our help, especially when we get a heads up on what the repukelicans are going to try to get away with
Tim Wayne @ 4:56
I emailed info@pacforachange.com that if Boxer is supporting Lieberman if he runs as an Independent, then I want a refund of the money I donated to the PAC because I will not lend any support to an organization that opposes democracy in America.
OT: our pal Taylor Marsh gets a mention in Pater Daou’s The ‘Bush Recovery’ Narrative: How Dems Might Squander Their ‘06 Opportunity
(this one’s not behind the salon.com wall.)
Daou link
RE: Truthout. I honestly didn’t expect anything more, just thought I’d give a heads up. LAME!
Re: Olbermann. MSNBC will lose my viewership completely if they get rid of him. There is absolutely nothing else of value on that network, period.
What’s our old pal Howard Dean have to say about all this? Has he gone on the record over who the DNC will support after the primary in Connecticut?
I know, I know, I could go google around. I just wanted to comment and this is the first thing I thought of. :)
If I find the answer before anyone else does I’ll come back and post it!
perhaps my eyeore-ish comment deserves to remain in EPU status, but anyway, here tis:
On the one hand, I yearn to be optimistic and excited about this news regarding the polling numbers on Lamont. But in a Diebold world, I don’t know if elections will ever matter again in this country. I spoke to a colleague today in political science who said she’s ready to bet a month’s salary that, no matter what happens with roots campaigns, Republicans will remain in control after Nov elections because we no longer have real elections.
Depressing stuff, but I think it needs to be acknowledged.
Schumer “swiftboated” Paul Hackett when Brown changed his mind in Ohio. Schumer said Webb was a “fighter” and happy to have him. He beat the endorsed candidate. Tester is fine in Montana. He beat the endorsed candidate. But if Lamont wins in Ct. he will still back the loser of the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY as an Independent? Do Democratic contributers go along with that? Christ! I thought this administration had a lock on croynism! Lamont should tell Schumer to kiss his ass. I have. And include Rahm Emmanuel. For sure they won’t get ANY of my meager money.
RB #41:
There doesn’t seem to be much of value on any network, save the Comedy Channel. Also, KO’s been gaining ratings while O’Liely’s been dropping. KO’s show has a more desirable demographic, too – one which I’m sadly no longer in.
They’d be stupid to do anything foolish, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t. That network’s the spawn of Jack Welch and Bill Gates…yikes!
Schumer is obviously scared shitless that Lieberman will jump to indie- win- and caucus with the goopers. That could happen- in fact if Lamont wins the primary- or gets close enough to scare the bejesus out of Ol Joe- it becomes arguably the most likely outcome.
Schumer stepped on his dick bigtime with his comment. Better to be looking for another state to take Connecticut’s place.
There isn’t much out there. Arizona and Virginia are nominally in play- but they are LONG SHOTS at best.
In cruising around the electoral map- there’s one that does look interesting. Olympia Snow is not breaking 50% in the polls. Goopers, of course, see her as a RINO- it’s a blue state and dems may be in a mood to take it over. If I were Chuck- I’d spend some time talking to candidates in Maine.
Always good to have a back up plan. And for God’s sake- forget even THINKING about supporting an indie vs. an elected dem. Total stupidity.
I don’t know why Democrat Schumer would support Lieberman (over Democrat Lamont) as an independent should Lieberman decide his best chances of winning are as an independent. That’s not usually the way things get done. But it’s likely that “politics” (as in IOU’s, common agendas, written or unwritten chits, money, power, pressure, payback or perhaps even political blackmail) is the undergirding. A check into the comparable voting patterns, outside interests and influences, coincident lobbyist connections of Lieberman and Schumer, over the years, might shed a bit of sunshine on Shumer’s, no-matter-what, motives for supporting Lieberman.
GladlyTCEBear at 31, interesting, I get the opposite effect – Schumer’s operation feigning interest, Hilary’s could give 2 shits what I have to say. BTW, love your handle.
nellieh #44:
Your AIPAC at work. Just ask Juan Cole.
Tim Wayne 23
Thanks for posting Boxer’s phone number. I just called and spoke with an aide there (he sounded young). I started out by saying I had attended Boxer’s speech at Yearly Kos, I thought it was a great speech and I appreciated her support for bloggers. Then I said I thought she is making a big mistake for supporting Lieberman in the Connecticut primary when Lieberman is indicating he may bolt the Democratic Party. He told me he would pass the message on.
Oscarsmom 24
Ooh, that Dibgy, what a man! sigh.
Doesn’t a sweet rant like that just get the Democratic juices flowing!
Hey Chuck? Meet Wonkette. She has a particular fetish. You are about to become familiar with it. It will be inflicted by Democrats. Just thought you should know..
Well, if Lieberman runs as an (I) he wins. It won’t even be close.
If you’re expecting to near majority status, and with a miracle might get a tie 49 (D), 49 (R), with Senator Joe Lieberman (I) and Senator Bernie Sanders (I), Lieberman’s vote could very well choose the Majority Leader (well, it would tie the vote and Cheney would decide), which is a fucking enormous difference in the balance of power.
A vote for a Republican Majority Leader probably won’t ruin Senator Joe Lieberman (I)’s chances of reelection in 2012, but might net him a cabinet post in the McCain administration.
[EPU’d] has to be one of the most obscure net-isms ever coined.
NOT according to our DC lawyer looseheadprop, who says she hears it from Fed judges and attorneys she’d least expect . . .
EMAIL DSCC, info@dscc.org, tell them they will not see another dime out of you and to take your name off their lists, until they say they will back the winner of the Primary in CT.
Tim Wane: Here is all the US Senators contact sites:
http://www.senate.gov/general/…..p;Sort=ASC
Howard Dean and the DNC cannot make any comments on Primary candidates.
kirby 13
just imagine Joe being the independent swing vote in a 51-49 Senate. The stroking he will get from both sides, nearly continuously will… well, I’ll leave it to Punaise to finish the visual
don’t think I’m up to that task – sounds like a mission for the esteemed darkblack…
BTW, saw this down in EPUpia:
Ron Thompson 176
Kirby at 165,
Lieberman wasnit in the Senate when Bork was nominated. The Bork nomination was in 1987. Lieberman was first elected to the Senate in 1988, and took office in 1989.
OT but just give me a minute and then we can get back to shining the light on Loserman.
Does anybody know a really good Web site on net neutrality? I am trying to explain it to my wife (who is very smart) but not doing a very good job. We are getting ready to contact our senators. I know I could Google it, but I also know the bad guys are putting out a lot of misinformation. Any help would be appreciated.
it’s no mystery why chuck would support joe — they belong to the mossad party
hillary belongs as well but russ feingold doesn’t — ideology matters more than ethnicity
It is about time for the DSCC to hit me up for money again. I will gladly tell them that I will wait and see if they truly back Democrats or if they are going to just play the “good old boys club” and back only their buddies/incumbents before they get another dime out of me.
Man, I enjoyed telling the DLC fundraiser who phoned me exactly why I was going to make my donations directly, through netroots, instead of continuing to enable their Dem consultants. Yes, Holy Joe’s name came up.
I only wish I had remembered to quote Harry Reid: “It’s important for people to understand that actions have consequences.”
al-Scooter, totally agree. My tv viewing is Comedy Central, random news (c-span, msnbc, cnn), and sports. All occasionally, and by that I mean maybe the tv gets turned on 3 times/week. Rarely, I’ll watch a good movie on IFC, AMC or TCM. That medium has mostly lost me.
Wish we could get the zombies away from Faux News.
OK, here’s a snippet from the James Gill column in the Times-Picayune that I linked to in #6 above. I’m serious, the whole thing is this good and better:
” Guantanamo Bay commander Rear Admiral Harry Harris also pooh-poohs any notion that the suicides were ‘an act of desperation.’ But he doesn’t call them a PR stunt. He sees them as ‘an act of asymmetric warfare against us.’
War doesn’t get any more asymmetric than this. We’re out to kill the enemy and the enemy is out to kill himself. “
Back to me now … can someone point me to a handy place to go to learn how to do block quotes without screwing up the comments?
Neuro 57: this was linked here over the weekend and is the most straightforward thing I’ve read on Net Neutrality. Emailed it all around.
“.The implications of permanently losing network neutrality could not be
more serious. The legislation, backed by companies such as AT&T, Verizon and
Comcast, would allow the firms to create different tiers of online service.
They would be able to sell access to the express lane to deep-pocketed
corporations and relegate everyone else to the digital equivalent of a
winding dirt road. Worse still, these gatekeepers would determine who gets
premium treatment and who doesn’t.
Their idea is to stand between the content provider and the consumer,
demanding a toll to guarantee quality delivery. It’s what Timothy Wu, an
Internet policy expert at Columbia University, calls “the Tony Soprano
business model”: By extorting protection money from every Web site – from
the smallest blogger to Google – network owners would earn huge profits.
Meanwhile, they could slow or even block the Web sites and services of their
competitors or those who refuse to pay up. They’d like Congress to “trust
them” to behave.
Without net neutrality, the Internet would start to look like cable TV. A
handful of massive companies would control access and distribution of
content, deciding what you get to see and how much it costs. Major
industries such as health care, finance, retailing and gambling would face
huge tariffs for fast, secure Internet use – all subject to discriminatory
and exclusive deal-making with telephone and cable giants.
We would lose the opportunity to vastly expand access and distribution of
independent news and community information through broadband television.
More than 60 percent of Web content is created by regular people, not
corporations. How will this innovation and production thrive if creators
must seek permission from a cartel of network owners?
The smell of windfall profits is in the air in Washington. The phone
companies are pulling out all the stops to legislate themselves monopoly
power. They’re spending tens of millions of dollars on inside-the-Beltway
print, radio and TV ads; high-priced lobbyists; coin-operated think tanks;
and fake grassroots operations with such Orwellian names as Hands Off the
Internet and NetCompetition.org.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..chive/2006
/06/09/EDGDOILMAH1.DTL
Call your Senators today!
Can’t find the results of the Maine primary. It was too close to call yesterday. Two interesting candidates:
Jean Hay Bright- journalist and organic farmer
Eric Mehment- lawyer and political activist.
Both are VERY left from their campaign statements. Mehment looks buttoned down- Bright looks like- well- an organic farmer. Apparently their primary race went down to the short strokes.
Bright has written a couple of books- one an expose of sorts on Snow.
Anyone,
what is T Rex’s site called ?
I don’t know why Democrat Schumer would support an ‘independent’ Lieberman candidacy over Democrat Lamont. Perhaps a check of the voting patterns of Lieberman and Schumer over the years might shed a bit of sunshine on the motivations of the Schumer no-matter-what support of Lieberman. It might be safe to say that “politics” is the undergirding for the Schumer-Lieberman love feast, (”politics”: as in common agendas, money, power, payback, written and unwritten chits, coincident lobbyist connections, parallel outside interests and influences, pressure, and even political blackmail). There might be something sinister at play here in this Schumer-Lieberman bond that seems to transcend party loyalty and constituent faithfulness.
FDL needs to be discovered by some hip media planners (any among our lurkers?). Note the traffic levels, note the commitment and passion and average discretionary income and how little TV we watch because we’re…here.
Then drop some coin on our proprietresses and stand back as your client’s click-thru becomes a tidal wave. You’ll be glad you did!
My interview with the reporter from the Chicago Tribune was in the Sunday Edition from Yearlykos. It can be found here -
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..nworld-hed
Another endangered Republican.
The latest Rasmussen Reports poll of the race for U.S. Senate in Rhode Island shows Sen Lincoln Chafee (R-RI) “still neck-and-neck with” Sheldon Whitehouse (D), besting him 44% to 42%.
-GSD
airportcat @ 62
Three links to html tutorials
Or quicker
without the spaces
GSD, shhhh! You might make Bill Voinovich cry again.
GSD–True- But Chaffee’s seat is already in the count of six. If Connecticut goes indie- then dems need ANOTHER seat BESIDES the BIG SIX.
I still can’t find anything on the final count for the Maine primary. Maybe they’re still counting?
Al Scoots,
I just was tooling around and saw a link where Rich Lowry outed the fact tht NRO and the National Review are both money losers….But still get lots of wingnut welfare from the power pimps in the Neo-Big Daddy Government movement.
-GSD
Here’s a good one, that’s on a pretty non-technical level:
http://www.slate.com/id/2140850/
In summary, I think if you want the Internet to end up being like TV, killing off net neutrality is a good way to do that. It will be cheaper, but it won’t be worth very much, either.
If you want a more technical explanation, I can provide one or link you to one, but I suspect you’re coming at it from a consumer’s point of view.
FWIW, I tried to register at the ISCC website and was e-mailed a username and password combo that does not work. Are they tracking where their traffic is coming from, and maybe they don’t want us there?
TRex:
http://incomprehensibledemoral…..gspot.com/
neurophius says: “Does anybody know a really good Web site on net neutrality?”
June 14th, 2006 at 5:25 pm
Please start with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Neutrality
Katymine, good job on the interview, excellent points. How much did you say total that that bit was exerpted from?
The linky works, but not the demo
Click the link
OT (but I have been all day, so far OT that I ain’t even been online, so?)
Spent much of the day in my opthalmologist’s and dentist’s waiting rooms with HWAPA prominently displayed in my lap. Sold 10-15 copies for Glenn to the eyes- and teeth-challenged of Volusia County, FL (and sundry receptionists and other support staff), I bet.
Just amazing to find this much immediate interest, exasperation, and anti-Bush concord among that disparity of people. Dem dere goopers (including hangers-on such as Lieberman) are SO in-for-it this fall.
Lak the man sed, It’s important for people to understand that actions have consequences.
GSD 69
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what’s that Chafeeng sensation around his neck?
Punaise @56
Thanks for the correction — of course, it was Thomas.
Bonzarella @43
In CT, we have those quaint machines in which you pull the lever and get a little metal X painted in red revealed for your selection. Hard to fix during the voting process — the tally numbers on the back would have to be reported incorrectly, and they are impounded.
Also, don’t forget that while we have a R governor, the legislature and all other statewide elected offices are Ds — and in the privacy of the booth, I wouldn’t be surprised if every single one of the high-profile Ds in this state vote Ned because everyone is so sick of Joe, his high maintenance and his complete lack of a sense of party unity.
But you know, if he goes along, then he won’t get all that face time on talking head shows!
neurophius @ 5:25 pm (#57) – My previous comment (at 5:40 pm #74) was in response to you. Oops.
AirportCat– more snark from Mike Farrell wrt the suiciders here; thanks for the link to the T-P!
>>>>>>>>
Of course, the doubters, the cringers, the left-wing, pinko, peacenik
dupes, they fall for it. They say these suicidists are depressed from
not having their good old American day in court. Picky, picky, picky!
You know how long it takes to get to court these days? Besides, how do
we defend ourselves against asymmetry if people go quibble about
lawyers and fair trials and all like that? You squirm about a pretend
drowning or two, you piss and moan about a little torture. What do
you expect? This is war, buddy, and if you fool me once, you know,
then you, uh, then you’ve fooled me. But you can’t… but… I don’t… if…
you know… you’re not gonna get away with it the next time. You got me?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..eThey.html
RWC,
Well, the Tennessee race is tightening up.
I really wouldn’t hold out any hope for Maine. Mount Olympia is one of the highest rated Senators in the nation…
-GSD
hmmm…inadvertent double post
GSD–Yeah- I know- but the polling I just looked at showed her at only 48% against a generic dem. Might have been a bad poll- but in general- an incumbent who’s running below 50% at this point is in a bit of trouble.
Pun,
Here is Linc’s link:
http://politicalwire.com/archi…..ss_up.html
-GSD
GSD #73:
I saw that, too. I can only imagine the delta in cost structures between the nominally-capatalistic moochers at NRO and the progressive mods here who’re beating the daylights outta Buckley’s Bozos at their own (nominal) game.
BTW, if some of us placed an ad on their site, would we have some clout re: their editorial stance? Heh-heh-heh…!
john in sacto, thanks much, I got it and will study. ‘preciate the help.
RE: Net neutrality, Craig Newmark’s explanation at CNN is good, but I hate to send them traffic because they still have that shitheel McCurry’s “opposing view” gibberish up as well. Maybe Craig has his posted elsewhere? I’ll look, see if I can find it.
rwc — Wow, Olympia Snowe in trouble too? That’s a surprise, I have to admit.
If Democrats can make the connection that there “nice” Republican Senator will go in the tank for Bush in his endless wars, propganda and corporate giveaways to the aristocrats…it might work.
Olympia is a nice lady, but, she’s in the tank for the R party. End of story.
-GSD
GSD- The Tennessee race is in the big six too- probably the toughest of the six.
Pennsylvania (looking really good)
Montana (looking surprisingly good)
Ohio (finally looking good again)
Missouri (too close to call)
Rhode Island (ditto)
Tennessee (finally starting to show some hope)
just posted this diary on the DSCC website….
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This is an outrage.
Not one DIME should be given by any Democrat until Charles Schumer resigns as chair of the DSCC, and his replacement states unequivocally that the DSCC will enthusiastically support whichever Democrat wins the Connecticut primary.
Its bad enough that the DSCC is interfering in the primary process in Connecticut, its even worse that it is supporting Joe Lieberman despite the fact that he refuses say he will support the choice of Connecticut Democrats for their Senate candidate.
Schumer is exactly what is wrong with the Democratic Party today…. most of our “leaders” ar more concerned with maintaining their own power and perquisites, than with serving the American people.
I will be writing to Howard Dean, asking him to publicly repudiate Schumer, and tell Schumer that the DNC will ONLY be providing support to Democratic House candidates unless Schumer resigns, and a real Democrat takes his place.
(and you people have the gaul to name your website “From the Roots”!)
Kirby 81: thanks for the info on CT voting machines. Anyone know of a site that breaks down what kind of machines are in each state? Sho would be interesting to look at that data alongside primaries. . .
FWIW, I’ve never figured myself for a conspiracy theorist, but since 00 and 04, I’m so full of distrust and suspicion (and of course, that time-honored emotion of melancholy) that I believe these elections are completely up for grabs.
And someone said (and later it was echoed) that we are in the midst of a perfect storm (of netroots/grassroots coming together). That is a beautiful sentiment. Let’s keep clinging to it.
AirportCat @ 5:31 pm (#62) – I can go through the tutorial again, but the quick way to learn about this and other HTML tricks is to use your browser’s “view source” feature. Right click on the page in question, then pick the menu item that’s closest in meaning to “view source”. That will show you the HTML that was used to create that page. Search for the text that has an interesting feature, say block quoting, and look at the tags around it. Now I’ll go find that damn tutorial I wrote and save it to a file this time.
haven’t read all the comments, but schumer shouldn’t be too quick to take credit for jim webb either. in the wapoo article i read last night, they gave big props to bloggers who very determinedly leaned on webb to join the campaign.
“His decision sparked a brief but fierce fight within Virginia’s Democratic Party. For three months, party traditionalists who backed Miller clashed with young and passionately antiwar bloggers, who had helped to persuade Webb to jump into the Senate race.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..338_2.html
lotus- well “in trouble” is probably an exaggeration- but it looks as if taking her seat is not impossible.
op99 #78
The interview was around 30 minutes around lunch time on Thursday. It was very accurate & concise. The interesting thing is that the reporter asked me to talk “off the record” but I also gave him the “Mother’s eye…” and told him I would hunt him down if he trashed me….. He wanted to know my opinion on the “traditional media”…. I was brutally honest. Some are lazy, poor research, make shit up, told him I had no idea what the truth was anymore.
RWCole,
Let’s hope for the VA race now that Webb is in. It’ll be nice to see Curious George with his tit in a wringer.
-GSD
nellieh at 44: Schumer said Webb was a “fighter” and happy to have him. He beat the endorsed candidate.
This is incorrect. The DSCC endorsed Webb in the primary, so he was the endorsed candidate. The fact that he also had the majority of netroots backing doesn’t make it any less wrong.
rwcole #93
AZ Kyl vs Pederson is even polling now!
Bonzarella @95 –
I am convinced that the electoral votes in FL 00 and OH 04 were stolen by Bush. With the electoral college, that’s the beauty — you only need to corrupt one, maybe two key states.
Now THERE’S a movement I could get behind — get rid of the electoral college so the majority vote getter wins — so that dark blue states like NY can finally have the impact of its numbers, and the candidates are forced to strategize a true national campaign rather than living in PA, OH, FL
Re the Tennessee race:
If you haven’t seen Bob Corker’s daughter’s facebook photos (see the link here), hang on for a little fun:
http://www.wonkette.com/politi…..180720.php
and yeah, i know it be dangerous to link to a wonkette site from FDL this week, but I swear I got the initial from huffpo! Dig a little further on the wonkette site, and you’ll see Frist’s son wearing confederate pants (for a KA “Old South” party no doubt) and an oh-so-elegant beer can belt. good times.
lotus 91
rwc – Wow, Olympia Snowe in trouble too? That’s a surprise, I have to admit.
Snowe melting?
global warning … to all repubs.
amen, Kirby @103.
electoral college needs to go!
And boldly, I suggest we mount an anti-electoral college campaign by paraphrasing Colbert from last night (I can see the posters now):
THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE: WTF Would Jesus Do?
Fascinating, katymine 99. You’ve been there before, eh? (learned how to keep reporters in line, that is — well done)
What do you all think about the possibility that Joe will bail out of the primary if it looks like he’s going to lose so he doesn’t have to take the loss?
Fits with his “Gang of 14″ crap, and positions him perfectly “Politics are too partisan today — we need to focus on what’s best for America, so I have decided to become and independent so I am not beholden to any party….” — and as Jane noted, positions him as the Unity 08 presidential candidate — how deep are the connections between them and Joey already?
Did anyone at yealyKos meet John Laesch? !!
He’s not running against Joe the idiot, but he is running against DENNIS HASTERT the fat pig.
This young man strikes me as just what the Dems need, Smart, articulate, and fresh. I’m really hoping the netroots is going to give this guy some LOVE (money)!!
http://www.john06.com/ Just go there
Long but pretty interesting piece from the Bangor Maine Newspaper:
Dems’ race for U.S. Senate nominee too close to call
Wednesday, June 14, 2006 – Bangor Daily News
paul lukasiak at 94 says:
I will be writing to Howard Dean, asking him to publicly repudiate Schumer, and tell Schumer that the DNC will ONLY be providing support to Democratic House candidates unless Schumer resigns, and a real Democrat takes his place.
Equals cutting off your nose to spite your face. Otherwise I applaud the post.
Dems’ race for U.S. Senate nominee too close to call
Wednesday, June 14, 2006 – Bangor Daily News
Cujo359 – A few of your HTML tutorials can be found here and here.
bkny – Schumer only endorsed Webb the day before the primary, so he can’t take any credit. There’s no way the endorsement had any effect, he just tried to jump on the bandwagon.
However, the support between the two candidates is a lot more complicated than what the Post article describes.
I fully expect Schumer to issue a statement sometime in the immediate future “clarifying” his remarks about Lieberman.
As far as I can tell, the man isn’t an idiot. He’s probably already working on a strategy to back away from his words without admitting he was wrong.
Tomorrow the 90-day waiting period on my becoming an official Democrat is over and I’ll have full party rights; see my blog to find out why: http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..snafu.html
I don’t want to be pissed off about being a Democrat so soon. I’m hoping Chucky gets his act together before Joe bolts.
dogeatdog1 @ 109:
why haven’t i heard of this guy before? impressive list of endorsements. thanks for the link.
And hey, he’s currently working as a carpenter. . .
(Vote for John Laesch, Veteran & Carpenter: WTF Would Jesus Do?)
lotus #107
Mother of 3, foster mother of 6, Nana x 2…
The reporter was about the age of my oldest….
“Mother’s eye” does Not always work but when it does…. it can be very effective!
Cujo359 @96, that “View Source” tip is a keeper, thanks.
angie@84, the Mike Farrell piece was great, thanks for the link.
katymine @102, good job on the interview, congrats, and a question … I lived in AZ (Tucson) briefly and I recall J. Fife Whiteguy (Symington?) was gov and like the 3rd in a row to be indicted? is that right? Seems like AZ had a string of governors getting in trouble anyway. I’m rambling now, but I was there long enough to develop a healthy dislike for Kyl.
Re 2 of the 6 swing Senate races: I feel a lot better about Claire McCaskill in MO than I do about Harold Ford in TN, both in terms of November chances and fidelity-if-elected. Ford is CNBC’s favorite corporate-friendly Dem congresscritter … quite possibly more trouble than he’ll be worth in times to come.
I strongly suggest an e-mail and letter writing campaign to the DSCC – for whatever it is worth. I just sent an e-mail asking for confirmation as to their position. I further stated that I was trying to divvy up my donation priorities for the run-up to the mid-term and that my decision regarding donations to the DSCC would be based in large part upon their position on this issue.
So, is Schumer and his cronies ready to raise funds for declared Republican candidates as well? Why the hell not?!?
Bergs at 55: Howard Dean and the DNC cannot make any comments on Primary candidates.
I don’t know, he said he thought the DSCC’s support of Webb was inappropriate. (I don’t have a link handy; I’ll try to find one if I get a chance.) Anyway, that’s not a comment on primary candidates, that’s a comment on Democratic Party processes, which isn’t out of line.
Bonzarella at 106, I’d love to see the electoral college gone too, but you need 38 states to ratify it, and there are too many little states to get to that number. The small state would not dilute the undue influence their electoral votes give them. So I fear such a campaign is doomed from the get-go.
Wankette on Scarborough now.
Wankette alert on CNN right now
lordy– ana m. cox on scarborough. yeesh. I rarely watch him– is this normal?
Sorry I mean on MSNBC Scarborough
Ah yezindeedy, katymine, that it CAN.
As promised …
You can block big quotes off with the BLOCKQUOTE HTML tag. That’s done by typing this in the message area:
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lotus- Maybe so- but dems need BOTH to retake the senate. If they win one and lose the other- it’s gooper senate.
Well the Incumbent Protection Racket has been running for a very long time. And they don’t like any challenges. Glad there at least some challenges at the margins now. But let us not delude ourselves, even with a Tester or Lamont win, the Incumbent Protection Team still will be in charge with a few insurgents in their ranks.
Better than nothing of course!
Airport Cat 75, same exact problem.
Byyye Joeee. I heard it’s not “if” but “when.” Two weeks perhaps? They are putting feelers out as well, maybe.
It’s all so craven, the national party really has to ditch Lieberman if they want to maintain any appearance of integrity. I am also wondering what the backlash here in CT will be about Joe flying solo.
Hellloooo Ned!
Equals cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I disagree. The DNC will have finite funds to spread around, and it makes perfect sense to concentrate those funds on one House of Congress.
to me, sending a message to asshats like Schumer is just as important as taking back the Senate, if not moreso. We are not cattle, and will not accept being treated like cattle. The whole point of the “netroots” thing is, IMHO, to put politicians in place who support progressive policies that serve the interests of the nation — not taking action against the DSCC would accepting the system we are trying to change.
Its not worth it.
wankette just said “cocky” twice, and i feel like i should take a shower
dogeatdogi @109.
Laesch really needs some netroots love! He is challenging the Repub Speaker of the House. What more high profile do you need to get if the big dude can be taken out.
He posts regularly on dKos and I believe is a Fighting Dem.
I know, rwc — helluva note, ain’t it.
Any dark horses anywhere?
I can’t remember where I read it, but apparently there are a greater-than-usual percentage of registered Independent voters in Connecticut, so the conventional wisdom (and let’s hope that we are currently changing the meaning of that word – “conventional” that is) is that running as an Independent won’t hurt Lieberman.
Chuckie is in desperate need of a tutorial on Lieberman, as well as a refresher on the importance of electing Democrats who are actually committed to Democratic principles; perhaps he is not familiar with the “sole purpose” of the DSCC.
I’m just so sick of incumbents who have forgotten that what they have been elected to do has to do with the collective “us,” and is not all about them. That’s what pisses me off about Lieberman. He’s not wetting his pants because he might not get a chance to represent the voters of Connecticut – if that’s what this was about, he’d be out there vowing to support Ned if Ned wins in August. People who actually want what’s best for the voters support the candidate the voters choose. But Lieberman – he’s feeling like a river of shit is about to flow out of his ass because he can’t stand the possibility of losing. Period.
Of course, if Joe goes Indy, he’ll get the Schumers and the Boxers to pull a reverse Hackett with a twist: excoriating Democrats for forcing Joe out of the party. And when they do that, there will be an army of Republicans – and the media stenographers – behind them with clubs, chomping at the bit to inflict their own beating on Democrats, using words like “disarray” and “infighting.”
It may not play in Hartford or Stamford, but it’ll play big-time in the rest of the country – the Rovian GOP machine will make sure of that.
And it pisses me off.
op00 @ 122: you’re prolly right . . .if it didn’t crank up after 2000, it ain’t gonna crank.
Bob, maybe we should run a contest. How will Joe explain his sudden jump given all his testifying about what a dedicated Dem he is that’s on the record. I think maybe Joe and his minions will say a small number of “weirdos” have terrorized him out of the party.
paul lukasiak @133
“The whole point of the “netroots” thing is, IMHO, to put politicians in place who support progressive policies that serve the interests of the nation”
Excellent point. Should not lose sight of the basics.
bonz 138, still sucks though, lol.
lotus
Well you’ve got Arizona and Virginia- and I just mentioned Maine (although that’s a VERY dark dark horse). After that- not much- maybe Nevada?
Those in LV are hopelessly left wing…
Remind me, please — who’ve we got running in AZ, ME, and NV?
Wankette: When Bush gets cocky, that’s when he gets in trouble.
(What exactly does that mean?)
Wankette on YKos: the netroots wants to build a machine, but they are left wing–Hillary would have been booed had she been there.
It isn’t clear why she is on the program.
that was ms. wankette who said that @ 143.
i’m so glad wankette is speaking for the “aims of netroots” right now.
bleeccch. she ain’t walked a mile in my clamdiggers, that’s fer sure.
Heard my first lamont radio add today. It basically dared Leiberman to stay in the primary (as opposed to switching to an Indy line). Lamont came off as confident, baiting a faidy cat Joe.
Jane wrote
So I followed the link and tried to register. I immediately received an email stating
But have yet to receive my username and password. Makes ya wonder if they are looking at the “referrer” value (site that sent you there) or something. It’s now been over 15 minutes.
RRhodes said Snowe wasn’t going to run after talking with her. Then said she was going to run. Snowe won’t meet with veterans for peace activists, neither will Collins. Mainers are very devoted to military. The Bangor News, although republican owned, prints the news. Collins was making a speech about ethics in govt at a seminary. She was asked why won’t you debate us on the Iraq war. Collins went to the paper saying these people were just looking for publicity. Bangor News wrote up the visit. The reason dems. have a chance to beat these senators is we have more fair local MSM and the election isn’t rigged. I think both of ‘em are in trouble. It’s the frugal thing as well as war.
Ana Marie? After the age of 12? It ain’t cute.
“Hopelessly” left wing, eh? Weeeeeee’ll see, angie.
mui, I can’t imagine how he’d be able to spin it, except maybe by saying that local Democrats have been unfairly influenced by lefty extremists from nationwide groups, and while their support is somewhat effective, it doesn’t represent the true will of the moderate voters in Connecticut, who will see the wisdom and long-term benefits of keeping me, Joe Lieberman, in the Senate until the end of time.
Some shit like that…it actually made my stomach hurt to have to type it.
paul lukasiak 133, I don’t think Dean is in a position to start a pissing contest with the DSCC. He’s has enough on his plate trying to fund party infrastructure building as opposed to throwing all the money into campaigns. There are already too many disaffected establishment Dems for him to pick this fight. IMHO.
hopelessly left-wing. Is that a put-down? Her wording is a little off, it seems. Maybe it’s just me.
I fly just fine with both of my left wings, lotus!
HA!
May I request another Trex post on Ana? Please? Perhaps a regular feature?
OK, reading all this thread and particularly Mui’s “not a question of whether but when” Joe bolts, perhaps Shumer will try to recover by saying (when Joe goes) that he was just trying to show the depth of party support for a previous vp candidate and valued incumbant so that Joe would not go independent.
I know, it is counter-intuitive and stupid, but that is what I predict Shumer will do because that is what he is.
Katymine, Chandler AZ looked familiar so I looked up my old pal Paul and he used to live there on W. Boston Way North. He’s since moved to Las Vegas after AT&T laid him off. How weird is that?
I’ve said it before: the blogroots need a scalp to gain cred. Let’s start with Joementum. It’s all or nothing; we can’t score a technical victory with this one or the meme of us backing losers will prevail.
Schumer put his fucking foot in it with this. What the fuck? He should have kicked Lieberman’s ass for even suggesting switching party affiliation. Jesus.
We got a lot of work to do.
Bonzarella, ab initio
Quiet now but looking to crash the gate!! He really Is quite impressive.
Yes!! fighting dem and is post regular at DKos!!
Can we get him some $$$ from ACTBLUE?
Heh. (Nope, mui, it’s not just you — Ms. AMC is about 5 years behind-times, is all.)
(153) Bob, I think you’re right. But if he’s suggesting that ChimpCo should be adopted by “moderates,” than it may not play too well. Ah well, tommorrow is another day. Maybe some pictures with a map of South Dakota plastered across his face will work.
I sure hope my ears were on right for that… I swear I heard it. The transcript will tell.
Wankette: When Bush gets cocky, that’s when he gets in trouble.
Is she talking about anal sex again?
great letter paul l. 94! I’ll send a similar one if I can get a log-in that works. “From the Roots” – NOT!
Am all for getting rid of the electoral college.
wtf – wankette on the teevee screen! ack. someone should remind her that her drunken self is even less appealing when she’s constantly nodding off onscreen…
Howie Klein has a great Schumer take-down…
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..erman.html
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brownandserve–go back to the page, enter your username in the second set of boxes on the right, and click “send password”. You’ll get a real password this time….
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paul lukasiak 133, I don’t think Dean is in a position to start a pissing contest with the DSCC. He’s has enough on his plate trying to fund party infrastructure building as opposed to throwing all the money into campaigns. There are already too many disaffected establishment Dems for him to pick this fight. IMHO.
this is a better argument, but as chair of the DNC, Howard Dean has an obligation to the Party, not to incumbents. And I’m not suggesting that Dean redirect money from building state parties, just that when it comes to supporting individual candidates, the DNC concentrate exclusively on the House.
Jay Leno will have Ann Coulter and George Carlin on tonight – I might tune in just to see if Jay lets George have at the evil one…BWAHAHAHAHA
Holy Joe’s new campaign commercial
click
brownandserve @149, check your ’spam’ folder for the username and password combo e-mail which, if it’s like mine, will not work anyway and I should’ve just left the effing thing in the spam folder …
Tommy Yum, it may be a done deal: that solo flight.
BTW I heard his camp looks really sour these days. (& are not behaving well.)
Just to make Tommy Yoo smile:
Tell you what I’ll do (what will you do?)
I’d like to go there now with you
You can miss out school (won’t that be cool)
Why go to learn the words of fools?
What will we do there?
We’ll get high
What will we touch there?
We’ll touch the sky
But why the tears then?
I’ll tell you why
It’s all too beautiful
It’s all too beautiful
It’s all too beautiful
It’s all too beautiful
What’s in the Joe ad, John in S? (I don’t want to add to his page-views.)
Tommy Yoo = Tommy Yum
Total brain dissolve, sorry
Thanks for the password help. I finally got in.
Anne:
I “left” the “conventional” Dem. Party in 97 when I moved. The point of being and “Independent” is by placing the word “Thinker” after it. If I was faced with Lamont, (D) v. Liebermann (I), my vote would clearly go to the progressive.
Let’s make DINO’s extinct once more!
Ned’s radio ad gets in a subtle dig at Mr. Been-There-Three-Terms-So-I’m-an-Institution Lieberman:
“So I have a challenge for our junior senator.”
(emphasis added)
It’s a joke lotus, click it
Anne @ 6:09
I can’t remember where I read it, but apparently there are a greater-than-usual percentage of registered Independent voters in Connecticut, so the conventional wisdom (and let’s hope that we are currently changing the meaning of that word – “conventional” that is) is that running as an Independent won’t hurt Lieberman.
What is the nature of those independents? Are they former Democrats who couldn’t stand Lieberman? Are they essentially more progressive than the Democratics? It seems like he would only attract those Independents who are essentially moderate Republicans or conservative Democrats.
Evening.
1. Any feedback yet from voters in NY on Schumer’s various statements? It may be too early…but just curious.
2. Is Lamont pushing the debate challenge? I now doubt if Lieberman would accept….but a candidate can never go wrong challenging an opponent to a debate…it’s very American!
3. Maybe Lamont can get the teachers union to help stuff envelopes, make phone calls, etc. Now…if he could only pick up an endorsement from one of the heavy-lifting unions….longshoremen, electrical workers, boilermakers…to name a few. Still, the teachers union is a good feather in the cap.
Ghostman
AZ Senate
Jon Kyl (R) vs Jim Pederson (D) ex-Dem Party Chair
AZ Congress
JD Hayworth (R) vs Harry Mitchell (D) – State Senator, ASU Professor, Mayor of Tempe.
Governor
Janet Napolitano (D) first AZ Governor not to be investigated, charged with a crime or impeached in decades. She was our State Attorney General prior to her current term. She has a rating around 65%, very high with Republican women. The worst they can say about her is that she is a 50 yr old single woman who wears sensible shoes!
Oh well, in THAT case, John in S . . .
Meanwhile, in WaPo, another li’l yoke:
Michael J. Gerson, one of President Bush’s most trusted advisers and author of nearly all of his most famous public words during the past seven years, plans to step down in the next couple weeks in a decision that colleagues believe will leave a huge hole in the White House at a critical period. …
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01893.html
Does anybody know what the DNC’s position on Leiberman as an independent is? Any chance they’ll endorse Kinky Friedman for governor of Texas?
Oh wait, he’s not an incumbent politician…
Never mind.
regarding the electoral college. I know the complaints about and arguments aginst, but I kind of like it for its smoothing out quality. Of course it is State-biased rather than individula voter biased (see 2000) but there are some arguments for it….
Whatthere are no arguments for is the two-senators per state structure. This basically allows about 10% of the nations population to have a cloture proof effect on Senate debate and actions. It is really destroying many things but particularly the rights of workers and women in this country because it skews everything to male dominated rural sensibilities against the vast majority of the populace. It is one of the reasons that people think our political system is unrepresentative — because, it is!
Am thinking more about this idea, to produce a weekly list of progressive talking points and send them out to OUR media people, including those brave souls that still work for the corporate media. This would include specific questions for the President and individual Senators and Congresspeople.
What about it? Who is willing to assemble a list of questions? We could do it collectively on Sat/Sun as part of our weekend extravaganza. Volunteers?
another great line from Ned’s radio ad….
imman, thanks for saying I am everything but you are the one who served the grand duke of the klan his papers…my hero.
If you liked Lamont’s radio spot, check out my video version of it; I worked 4 hours on it today, dammit, and I want people to see it!
(heh-heh…I’m in too good a mood tonight to act pissed off)
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..dness.html
Anybody heard from california_reality_check?
I miss him, and a little worried. The last we heard from him was that emotional post about child abuse, where he said–for the first time ever–that he was a victim. I barely caught it and checked with him, yes it was the first time he had admitted it.
But then the long silence…a little worried.
Well here is something really interesting regarding this:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou…..s_kos.html
So there could be some legal problems with what Schumer is saying.
paul lukasiak 188
yeah, but can Ned balance a dog biscuit on his nose like Joe can, waiting patiently for his master to say “OK”?
egregious re imman: “… you are the one who served the grand duke of the klan his papers …”
Whoa, imman! Obviously this is a story deserving a retelling. Please!
Chuck Schumer’ statement is certainly astounding in its dictatorial ignorance, but he’s been signalling this for a while now – recall Pachacutec’s post in which Chuck uttered the howler, “We’d, you know, almost always vote for the Democrat.” Well, almost.
Schumer’s stumping big time for Bob Casey here in PA – recall, Casey half-assedly endorsed Alito after pressure from state Republicans (why is anyone’s guess; check out details here). So if Chuck loses Joe, he may have a new bottom-smoocher in Casey.
If Chuck in any way sees the writing on the wall, perhaps New Yorkers should remind him that while Democratic voters always vote for the Democrat (for we Keystone staters, even for the likes of Casey, sigh), we’re getting bracingly better at weeding out the dead wood.
speaking of very long-time-no-hear, any news from karen allen?
Pacifica – like I said, it’s “conventional” wisdom, which, given how things are changing, may be complete and utter crap; if I knew more (or anything, really) about the dynamics of Connecticut voters, I might be able to answer your questions.
In my mind, if you’re leaving the Democratic party, you aren’t doing it because you have Democratic support, so if Lieberman bolts, he would have to believe he could win with votes from independents as well as Republicans.
I would like someone to ask Joe how he can be so committed to staying in Iraq, but would not only consider cutting and running from his own freakin’ party, but would not even have the decency and respect for the party to voice his support for Ned if Ned were to win.
What Joe Lieberman is doing right now is emblematic of exactly why he should go down to defeat.
And where’s huckermill? Somebody else I was wondering about the other day, too — but now I can’t think who that was.
Some fine snark on this subject from one of my favorite unsung bloggers, Sister Nancy Beth Eczema (a parodist a la Jesus’ General):
Hey Firepups,
Punaise -
thanks for the T Rex 411 waaay up thread
was asking b/c I found his Wankette piece over at Raw Story (below the fold under ‘blogs & media’) and didn’t know if he knew that yet (I’m almost 2 threads behind!) let’s see if I can catch up before the next thread
What is the nature of those independents? Are they former Democrats who couldn’t stand Lieberman? Are they essentially more progressive than the Democratics? It seems like he would only attract those Independents who are essentially moderate Republicans or conservative Democrats.
Maybe this will help. The latest poll breakdown by affliation:
It looks to me like the Indies are dead split between Repub sentiments on Joe and Dem sentiments.
sharon:
re: your quite-correct claim on the cut and run 2006 campaign thread that you scooped both me and christy on luskin’s tap-dancing:
yes, you did, and i certainly quoted, credited, and attributed you. it was never my intent to do otherwise.
i had errands to run after writing that, otherwise i would have written
this post sooner in the day, giving you unqualified credit for being the first in blogtopia (and yes, i coined that phrase!) for finding the apparent shuffling of meaning by luskin.
i only claimed to scoop christy because, of course, there’s no way in hell i ever could; i was hoping the irony and my charm would make it apparent that i was joking. i keep forgetting that both irony and charm don’t travel well in cyberspace.
for the record, sharonw is the queen of scoops on luskin’s disingenuous use of the english language.
egregious at 187 – have been mulling over something along the lines of what you suggested, but it hasn’t taken any form yet; still a bunch of ideas chasing themselves around my head.
I think it’s worth brainstorming over, though.
Lotus, I would be happy to tell the tale, but it is so OT and not in my current memory mood place right now that I wouldn’t do it justice. Primarily it is the tale of how a young legal intern (wearing a dark blue sunoco jacket and jeans) gave Bill Wilkerson, then-Grand Wizard of the Imperial Knights, a subpoena during a Klan march/rally. Roanoake Alabama.
No hero there, just proof that fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
cbl 200 – I’m sure TRex will appreciate the heads-up.
Ripley at 194
If Chuck in any way sees the writing on the wall, perhaps New Yorkers should remind him that while Democratic voters always vote for the Democrat (for we Keystone staters, even for the likes of Casey, sigh), we,re getting bracingly better at weeding out the dead wood.
Don’t I wish, but he’s got immunity until the 2010 campaign.
CT Bob @190 Nice Work! now go have a beer, you earned it!
Excellent, imm — oh for a cam on THAT face.
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If Schumer backs Lieberman as an Independent, he is in effect taking a huge personal risk if Lieberman loses. His political judgement will be revealed as worth squat. Schumer would have to be pretty dumb not to know this. He has to calculate the risk/reward ratio of backing a turncoat Lieberman versus a declared Democrat whose polls are pointing to possible monumental upset. Schumer’s optimal strategy if Lieberman turns Independent is probably to stay neutral.
Schumer also has to remember he is from a very anti-Bush, anti-Iraq-war state, and the next time he runs, he may see some rough backlash from too much Lieberman-love. Certainly he won’t get a cent from this New Yorker.
I signed the petition and will call tomorrow and tell senator landrieu that i will be dipped before I’ll come off a cent to the national dems if they support joe.
Schumer’s building votes for a majority leader campaign; who’s the suck-up – Joe or Ned?
‘nuf said
Here’s what I just sent the DSCC:
Dear DSCC,
In the last few months I have received several telephone calls from DSCC
representatives asking for contributions. I know why they call me — I am a
lifelong Democrat and I’ve contributed many times in the past. But these days I
just tell them that I am not satisfied that the party organization is representing the
positions of the majority of Democrats, and I will give directly to candidates that I
believe are doing so. In other words, I am bnot giving a penny to DSCC until I see major change in the direction of the party. Like firmly against the war and firmly against the Bush/Cheney maladministration and all it stands for. That “lesser of two evils” thing is not going to work any more. They are both the same evil as far as I and millions of other Democrats are concerned.
Now I read that Sen. Schumer refuses to rule out supporting Sen. Lieberman if he should run as an independent in Connecticut against Ned Lamont. In other words, the chair of the DSCC sees no problem, in principle, in supporting a non-Democrat against a Democrat.
What? There is something wrong here. And you’re not getting a penny from me until you guarantee that you will support only real Democrats.
Lieberman can act like a spoiled self-righteous brat because people like Schumer are enabling him. According to Schumer’s reasoning, it there was an individual who won the nomination to be the Democratic candidate for President but someone else came along who ran as an Independent who was preferred by the Democratic power brokers then they would support the Independent presidential candidate over the Democratic presidential candidate…this is the logical extension of Schumer’s reasoning to justify an unjustifiable position.
Btw, for a little fun at Lieberman’s expense go to:
http://assimilatedpress.blogsp…..edgie.html
Assimilated Press
http://assimilatedpress.blogspot.com/
CT Bob @190: Good Job!
Thad Beier at 32,
In addition to several incumbent vs. incumbent races created by redistricting in 2002 (John Dingell vs. Lynn Rivers, maybe one in the 1st PA, not sure about Bob Barr in Georgia) there were at least two Southern primaries in 2002 in which Black incumbents were defeated by other Blacks, Cynthia McKinney by Denise Majette in Georgia, and Earl Hilliard by Artur Davis in Alabama.
The last senator I can think of who lost a primary was Alan Dixon, who lost to Carol Moseley-Braun in Illinois in 1992.
The right-wing takeover of the Republican party was fueled by primaries. Max Rafferty beat the Republican Senate whip, Thomas Kuchel, in California in 1968; Jeff Bell beat Sen. Clifford Case in New Jersey in 1978, and Al D’Amato beat Jacob Javits in New York in 1980. And James Buckley, running on the Conservative Party line, beat Sen. Charles Goodell in 1970.
Lotus.
Just to clarify, I am a NY lawyer not a DC lawyer.
Egregiuos
from a couple threads ago: Yeah i have been tested for Malleria, HIV, Tuberculosis, spider bites, you name it. Finally they decided to call it “fevers of unknown origin”, The fever itself is not exciting, but sometimes the secondary infection that gets your weaken system after the fact can be a doozy. I almost bought the farm in 2000 from a secondary pneumonia.
Not his time though, I did 4 solid hours in the law library today and have been up for over 12 hours w/o incident. I think it’s all over.
dogeatdog109
A bunch of us met Leasch at the Fighting Dems happy hour. We talked with him for a while and he seemed surprised that we knew as much as we did, ie that Denny seems benign but is as dirty a fighter as they come or else he wouldn’t be in the position he is.
I hope that Leasch hs the leather balls to take on Denny, he seems too nice, but what do I know.
op99 (#206):
2010… groan. I wondered. Seems a long way off; might we assume Schumer will still be the camera- and glory-hogging conventionalist that he is now, and the grass/netroots will be so good at scaring the bejesus out of such hacks that he’ll be forced to make a run as an independent? Here’s hoping for poetic justice in 2010 (oh, also hoping we avoid a second civil war between then and now).
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neurophius @ 5:25 pm (#57), check out http://www.savetheinternet.com. One stop shopping.
Good Job , CTBob
Blinking, *ilson?
My, my.;]
End the damn war.
i only claimed to scoop christy because, of course, there’s no way in hell i ever could; i was hoping the irony and my charm would make it apparent that i was joking. i keep forgetting that both irony and charm don’t travel well in cyberspace.
for the record, sharonw is the queen of scoops on luskin’s disingenuous use of the english language.
LOL! Oh, Skippy, I was just playing along with ya. I wasn’t offended in the least. I thought I threw in enough winkies and smilies to get that across.
Heck, it was nice that someone even noticed lil ol’ me.
There now, we’ve both bent over backwards enough with mea culpas to create a Dem team pretzel. Gosh, aren’t progressives just the nicest people ever? :)
Jane sez:
“This is on their %u2014 wait for it %u2014 fundraising page (see screen cap above). Don’t they think it’s a wee bit dishonest to tell people they are raising money expressly for this purpose, and then use it to DEFEAT a Democrat? I think they’ve got some truth in advertising issues here, myself.”
Okay, you really want to rock their world? Here’s what you do:
Call a right-wing talk show… AS a winger Republican. Be “outraged” about how the “Democrat Party” is raising money on the advertised premise that it is to ELECT Democrats; when in reality, the money will likely be used to DEFEAT Democrats. Exactly what the donors are not endorsing with their contributions.
Then sit back while the host dittos you to death and bemoans the “corrupt Democrats”.
And watch as, by the end of the week, it’s a Foz News talking point. As Arlo once said, paraphrasing, three times and they’ll think it’s a movement…
Bonzerella @ 95
And don’t forget 2002. That’s the one that was so obviously rigged.
There were swings of as much as 13% between the Saturday before the election and the results on Tuesday.
The polls on Saturday, showed Cleland (GA) and the nice widow from MO – - I’m sorry I’m drawing a blank on her name, but her dead husband beat then-Sen. John Ashcroft – - something like 5-7% ahead, but on Tuesday the results had them 6-7% behind.
It didn’t get any attention, but the Governor’s and Senate races in Texas were much less tight than the polls had indicated, and we ended up with the execrable John (I look Senatorial from a fast horse) Cornyn,
He probably would have won, anyway, but Ron Kirk was a strong candidate for the Dems and he just got killed by the dull-witted Cornyn.
I remain convinced that those elections were rigged.
Carnahan.
That’s the name of the MO widow who lost to, whom, Kit Bond?
lhp you might have what the author of seabiscuit had. A friend of mine here had it, needed antibiotics over a looong period of time but finally conquered it. Keep us posted.
Well, I give some money, not a lot, but this year, partly because I was so mad at DiFi and Barbara, I thought about the whole thing and split my political money between Firedog Lake and Coleen Rowley, who is in Minnesota, and not even in my district, but I think that woman has a set of brass balls….er….well, you know what I mean.
Schummer and Reid screwed up in Ohio…Now they are screwing up in Connecticut..The dems are dumb to have these yahoos in leadership positions in the party.
I quit giving money to the Dem party apparatus immediately after the Alito Cave-in. I also quit giving money to NARAL, Emily’s List, and Planned Parenthood – each of the national offices continued to support Dems and Rethugs (Chafee and Snowe) after they voted FOR Alito. Since then, the Dems have just piled more shit on the pile. Money well saved.
I ONLY give money to ActBlue, MoveOn, and the like, and give money to individual candidates. I suggest you all do the same. I also suggest those of you who believe that you should reward bad behavior by giving money (to the DSCC, DCCC, etc) demand a refund if Joe gets support as an Indie. Hell, they shouldn’t be giving him ANY support until the primary sorts things out, and then ONLY give support to the rightfully elected State Representative. THAT is the job of the DSCC, etc. It is NOT to choose candidates FOR Dems to vote for, but is only to support the candidates that state Dems voted for in a primary. End of story.
…Mavericks are doing well against the Heat…
Good metaphor for what’s going on with the DSCC…
Re Chuck and Lieberman (and Boxer)
Oh God!The Dems are doing the same thing as the Rethugs.If you do not like the laws just arbitrarily change them.You have to be from
Brooklyn to understand why Schumer and Boxer support Holy Joe. The war is about OIL-acronym- (oil,Israel and land bases) Georgie is for the war and oil.Holy Joe is for Israel. Therefore Holy Joe supports Georgie and B’klyns
Barbara and Chuckie support Holy Joe.Valid syllogism? Joe did not do much for us in Fla. in 2000 , did he?
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Pleased to find this post. As I blogged recently here in Connecticut, I say let’s go to http://www.dscc.org and their blog http://www.fromtheroots.org and request they add Ned Lamont to their Connecticut page. Dodd? Dodd does not run for another two years (or 4). The page makes Lieberman look like the nominee, which he is not!
Flood the
DISCC with messages… GIVE NED LAMONT THE VISIBILITY AND FUNDING OPPORTUNITY HE IS FAIRLY DUE!Most importantly, and I wrote this on their solicitation and returned it to their true address, not the reply envelope address: NONE OF MY MONEY FOR THE DSCC WHILE DEM INCUMBENTS ARE PREFERENCED OVER CHALLENGERS!