Comments on: Finally, We Get to the Bigger Question… http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:46:48 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Victor Berry http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-152819 Victor Berry Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:04:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-152819 <p>Can any newspaper or news service confirm that the Executive Order dated 25 March 2003 giving Cheney the authority to declassify information was indeed issued on that date? Currently the <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov">www.whitehouse.gov</a> website is lagging about four months behind in the “News Updates.” Is there a chance that the Executive Order in question was back-dated to cover Cheney’s revelation of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent? Websites are perfectly suited to George Orwell’s description of the job Winston Smith held in the Ministry of Truth. Is the book “1984″ no longer considered fiction?</p> Can any newspaper or news service confirm that the Executive Order dated 25 March 2003 giving Cheney the authority to declassify information was indeed issued on that date? Currently the http://www.whitehouse.gov website is lagging about four months behind in the “News Updates.” Is there a chance that the Executive Order in question was back-dated to cover Cheney’s revelation of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent? Websites are perfectly suited to George Orwell’s description of the job Winston Smith held in the Ministry of Truth. Is the book “1984″ no longer considered fiction?

]]> By: Matilda in Oak Park http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-143327 Matilda in Oak Park Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:23:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-143327 <p><a href="mailto:Victoria@176">Victoria@176</a></p> <p>HuffPost has an essay by Sheldon. I don’t buy his argument against Fitz but you can judge for yourself. People like Sheldon forget that the FBI drives a lot of what the US Atty’s office prosecutes. And, for all we know, Fitz’s office is compiling a case against the handling of the state teachers’ pension fund. To insinuate Fitz is a political tool is to display a disturbing lack of judgment about an ethical, non-partisan man.</p> <p>As always, FITZ!</p> Victoria@176

HuffPost has an essay by Sheldon. I don’t buy his argument against Fitz but you can judge for yourself. People like Sheldon forget that the FBI drives a lot of what the US Atty’s office prosecutes. And, for all we know, Fitz’s office is compiling a case against the handling of the state teachers’ pension fund. To insinuate Fitz is a political tool is to display a disturbing lack of judgment about an ethical, non-partisan man.

As always, FITZ!

]]> By: Gridlock http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-143233 Gridlock Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:35:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-143233 <p>What happens when you pull facts out of your arse;</p> <p>GDP per capita of Niger = $900</p> <p>GDP per capita of RI = $38,000</p> <p>So, Niger ranks 217th out of 232 countries, beaten out only by places like East Timor, Afghanistan and the Gaza Strip.</p> What happens when you pull facts out of your arse;

GDP per capita of Niger = $900

GDP per capita of RI = $38,000

So, Niger ranks 217th out of 232 countries, beaten out only by places like East Timor, Afghanistan and the Gaza Strip.

]]> By: Gridlock http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-143232 Gridlock Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:30:15 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-143232 <p>I have always found the junket notion to be deeply offensive, given that Niger is a terribly poor country with zero tourist industry and a GDP slightly below that of Rhode Island.</p> <p>The fact that these scum can spin his trip into a ‘junket’ without a single one of the reporters pointing out the obvious disparity between, say a golfing trip to St Andrews and this trip is perhaps more offensive though.</p> I have always found the junket notion to be deeply offensive, given that Niger is a terribly poor country with zero tourist industry and a GDP slightly below that of Rhode Island.

The fact that these scum can spin his trip into a ‘junket’ without a single one of the reporters pointing out the obvious disparity between, say a golfing trip to St Andrews and this trip is perhaps more offensive though.

]]> By: victoria2dc http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142947 victoria2dc Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:53:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142947 <blockquote><p> Did anyone hear Mike Malloy last night? I was working and listening.<br /> He had Shelly Drobny, the founder of Air America on and hes worked with Fitz in Chicago. He painted quite a different picture than the hero we have all looked to for salvation.<br /> He had nothing nice to say and his take on the Rove thing was that Fitz does what he is asked.<br /> Seder was horrified and tried to paint Fitz in the golden light but was shot down quite convincingly.</p> <p>Did anyone else hear this?</p></blockquote> <p>I was half asleep, but heard it. I don’t know… who is that guy and what is he known for? He’s the founder of Air America (or one of them!!!!). I have seen the results of Fitz… and it appears that he knows what he’s doing. I don’t put too much faith in it.</p> <p>Also, I feel like Rove with be charged - I can’t tell you my SECRET news… but I’m sure of it.</p>

Did anyone hear Mike Malloy last night? I was working and listening.
He had Shelly Drobny, the founder of Air America on and hes worked with Fitz in Chicago. He painted quite a different picture than the hero we have all looked to for salvation.
He had nothing nice to say and his take on the Rove thing was that Fitz does what he is asked.
Seder was horrified and tried to paint Fitz in the golden light but was shot down quite convincingly.

Did anyone else hear this?

I was half asleep, but heard it. I don’t know… who is that guy and what is he known for? He’s the founder of Air America (or one of them!!!!). I have seen the results of Fitz… and it appears that he knows what he’s doing. I don’t put too much faith in it.

Also, I feel like Rove with be charged – I can’t tell you my SECRET news… but I’m sure of it.

]]> By: Matilda in Oak Park http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142738 Matilda in Oak Park Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:34:14 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142738 <p><a href="mailto:motherlowman@173">motherlowman@173</a></p> <p>There are Jesuit-educated people (e.g. Fitz) and there are Jesuit-educated people (e.g. Mugabe). But I don’t doubt for a minute that PJF is an honorable man. The Chicago Tribune a while back did a piece about virtue ethics and Fitzgerald. And, in an age in which people will sell their mother for a promotion, Fitzgerald remains a puzzle. In many ways, he has the weight of the world on his shoulders but he remains steadfast. You have to wonder what the last few days have been like for him. Once we know most of the full story, he’ll be vindicated. Meanwhile I wonder if Comey ever regrets what he got his friend into.</p> motherlowman@173

There are Jesuit-educated people (e.g. Fitz) and there are Jesuit-educated people (e.g. Mugabe). But I don’t doubt for a minute that PJF is an honorable man. The Chicago Tribune a while back did a piece about virtue ethics and Fitzgerald. And, in an age in which people will sell their mother for a promotion, Fitzgerald remains a puzzle. In many ways, he has the weight of the world on his shoulders but he remains steadfast. You have to wonder what the last few days have been like for him. Once we know most of the full story, he’ll be vindicated. Meanwhile I wonder if Comey ever regrets what he got his friend into.

]]> By: x174 http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142533 x174 Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:41:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142533 <p>FWIW, Truthout asserts that the contents of 06 cr 128 is to be unsealed in five (5) weeks.</p> <p>Mark your calendars:the week of July 21st or thereabouts</p> <p>It would be nice if looseheadprop’s take on Fitz were erroneous, but he was appointed by Ashcroft (after he got himself deep in his conflict of interest)</p> FWIW, Truthout asserts that the contents of 06 cr 128 is to be unsealed in five (5) weeks.

Mark your calendars:the week of July 21st or thereabouts

It would be nice if looseheadprop’s take on Fitz were erroneous, but he was appointed by Ashcroft (after he got himself deep in his conflict of interest)

]]> By: motherlowman http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142305 motherlowman Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:56:24 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142305 <p>exitnine,<br /> I agree that this doesn’t make sense. If Fitz were really just a Republican tool, he would have cleared Rove before or at Libby’s indictment (and there may not have been a Libby indictment). I think there is MUCH we don’t know yet about what’s going on. I trust that a Jesuit-educated man who has taken great pains to appear non-partisan and objective at all times is doing exactly what he can within the law. The Jesuit thing may not mean much to many of you, but I’ve worked with many Jesuit-educated people, and I’m married to one, and I have always been impressed with the sense of honor and duty that they have. (I’m talking about Jesuits here, not Father Pervy in the neighborhood parish. There are Catholics and there are Catholics . . .)</p> exitnine,
I agree that this doesn’t make sense. If Fitz were really just a Republican tool, he would have cleared Rove before or at Libby’s indictment (and there may not have been a Libby indictment). I think there is MUCH we don’t know yet about what’s going on. I trust that a Jesuit-educated man who has taken great pains to appear non-partisan and objective at all times is doing exactly what he can within the law. The Jesuit thing may not mean much to many of you, but I’ve worked with many Jesuit-educated people, and I’m married to one, and I have always been impressed with the sense of honor and duty that they have. (I’m talking about Jesuits here, not Father Pervy in the neighborhood parish. There are Catholics and there are Catholics . . .)

]]> By: Rush Limppaw http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142280 Rush Limppaw Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:42:18 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142280 <p>Malloy archive:</p> <p><a href="http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Malloy.html">http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Malloy.html</a></p> Malloy archive:

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Malloy.html

]]> By: Mickey http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142275 Mickey Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:37:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/14/finally-we-get-to-the-bigger-question/#comment-142275 <p>What if there’s an actual person who can testify that Cheney knew that Valerie Plame was an undercover agent before it was leaked? Hope springs eternal…</p> What if there’s an actual person who can testify that Cheney knew that Valerie Plame was an undercover agent before it was leaked? Hope springs eternal…

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