
The LATimes has a follow-up to the Rove/Fitzgerald news of yesterday. And they ask all the right questions this time:
Behind the scenes, however, as Fitzgerald’s investigation has shown, top White House strategists had worked feverishly to discredit Plame’s husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, who had infuriated officials by accusing the White House of twisting intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq.
The accusation was worrisome for Bush aides, who knew that the Iraq war would be a central theme of the president’s reelection campaign in 2004. So Plame’s identity was leaked by anonymous senior officials as part of an effort to claim that Wilson’s CIA-funded trip to the African nation of Niger to investigate whether Iraq had tried to purchase uranium ore there had been a junket arranged by his CIA officer wife.
As Fitzgerald’s investigation has shown, not only was Rove involved in discussing Plame with reporters, but so was Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff, who has been indicted on perjury and obstruction of justice charges in the case….
The hardball proclivities weren’t limited to behind-the-scenes strategists like Libby and Rove. The unfolding case would connect their actions to Cheney.
In pursuing the case against Libby, the special prosecutor released documents showing that the vice president was focused on questioning Wilson’s motivation and credibility from the moment the article was published, just 10 weeks after Bush had landed on the deck of an aircraft carrier under a banner declaring "Mission Accomplished."
Fitzgerald released a copy of Cheney’s handwritten notations atop Wilson’s article: "Have they done this sort of thing before? Send an Amb. to answer a question? Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did his wife send him on a junket?"
Indeed, the notion that Wilson’s trip to Africa was a junket arranged by his wife became a central part of the White House effort to undermine the former envoy, whose lengthy State Department career included postings in Iraq and Africa. The anti-Wilson campaign coincided with White House planning for the 2004 campaign.
Fitzgerald’s investigation also led to revelations that Bush — who for months had promised to root out leakers in his administration and punish whoever disclosed Plame’s identity — had authorized the release of classified information.
Wilson’s contention that so offended the White House — that the administration twisted intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq — has since drawn support from intelligence officials around the globe, including former officers of the CIA. And the Niger uranium case that he described in his controversial article has become exhibit A in the cache of evidence assembled by critics to suggest that the administration cherry-picked intelligence information to justify the case for war. (Emphasis mine)
Well, that pretty much lays out the questions neatly, doesn’t it? More of this, please.
Except that is only part of what needs to be discussed. And that it is getting attention 3 years later? Well, it’s a bit late, but I’ll take it, I suppose.
Frontline has an important piece coming up on the 20th of June at 9:00 pm ET entitled "The Dark Side." I’ll let their description speak for itself:
On September 11, 2001, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney was ordering U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet was meeting with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq. Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and others saw Iraq as an important part of a broader plan to remake the Middle East and project American power worldwide. Meanwhile Tenet, facing division in his own organization, saw non-state actors such as Al Qaeda as the highest priority. FRONTLINE’s investigation of the ensuing conflict includes more than forty interviews, thousands of pages of documentary evidence, and a substantial photographic archive. It is the third documentary about the war on terror from the team that produced Rumsfeld’s War and The Torture Question. (Emphasis mine.)
That says must see teevee if I ever saw some. Pass some popcorn and call up the WHIG, the media have decided to make Cheney the story, and perhaps put Rummy in the passenger seat as the expendable duo. Anything to prop up those sagging ratings and public perceptions prior to the fall elections, I suppose, but it’s an awfully pathetic strategy to argue that the President of the United States has no responsibility for failed policy initiatives because his top lieutenants are implementing them behind his back, isn’t it?
Of course, you can’t have people actually thinking about it in those terms: either the President knew and approved of pushing a war forward based on a false information campaign of cherry picked intelligence to sell a bill of goods the American public, or he didn’t know all the facts because the President of the United States was bypassed by his own crony minions who rushed him into a war that he wanted for reasons that have not been fully explained to the public. You choose. Uh oh, we need a diversion.
Anyone hear a bus rumbling off in the distance? I hear Karl is a good driver…
Related posts:
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- Liz Cheney Warns Against “Walking Away” from Afghanistan, Apparently Forgetting that Dick Cheney Walked Away from Afghanistan
- Has GOP Airlines Flight 188 Finally Reached Eau Claire?
- Cheney’s Lawyer Already Leaked the Content of Cheney’s “Privileged” Interview





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Webb!
Fitz!
Rootz baby rootz!
How do you spell c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y?
Colbert! Stewart!
OT EPU’ed from last thread
Dubya is on proving that he is in a persistent vegetative state. No offense to vegetables.
President on nation’s TV screens is just saying that the terrorists have one advantage in Iraq that they can get on our nation’s TV screens.
Random thoughts:
Economically, everything fine. Keep tax cuts for the rich because they’re working (keeping the rich, well errr, rich. Oh yes, and those Democrats they’ll raise your your your your taxes ’cause that’s what they do.
Bush responds to the people’s needs (because elections give you a feel for that kind of thing) but not to polls that measure those needs.
Our forces are providing stability in Iraq. Who knew?
Bush also had another looked in his eyes and saw his soul moment in Iraq with al-Maliki. Does anyone besides me find this creepy?
Bush wants to strong arm foreign governments to honor their aid pledges of about $10 billion. I’m sure he’ll have a lot of luck encouraging to throw their money down the same rathole we are.
Bottomline new policy: As the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down.
Well, let me say, how proud it makes me as an American that after a mere 3 years, thousands of American deaths, tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, and hundreds of billions of dollars that we don’t have we have a new winning policy in Iraq. And if it doesn’t work, well now we can proudly point to the Iraqis and say it’s their fault.
Nice.
Still, I have yet to find one mention of the possibility that Rove is cooperating with the prosecution in any of the Corporate Media’s coverage of yesterday’s announcement by Luskin.
And I really think it would behoove the forces of goodness and light to repeat ad infinitum that Rove is a stool pigeon. Sowing distrust among the opposition, ya’ know.
George Allen is already running scared. They just put up a five foot by three foot sign near Tysons Corner.
Webb! Virginia will help take back the Senate!
Also I got an email from Sestak saying their latest poll puts him exactly even with incumbent Weldon.
Control of Congress => INVESTIGATIONS
OUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Chimpy getting all mad now about his secret trip and gittin all excited bout leedershipp…LMAO
I wonder if over the course of this investigation you’ve learned anything that you didn’t know what was going on in your administration?
Fabulous question from a member of the press! Who wudda thunk it? Peter someone, don’t know his last name.
I’d love to hear how Cheney received the authority to order the shooting down of commercial aircraft. From my look at the command and control structures of our government, Cheney is outside the chain of command unless and until the President is unavailable for one reason or another.
Here’s a question I hope Frontline digs into:
Given cell phones, Secret Service links, and the whole “football” communications structure, how is it that the President was unavailable? Or did Cheney act “for him” in an unconstitutional manner?
FINALLY!!! Chimpy is done yapping.
My guess is that something will happen in August, when Bush is off at the ranch and the rest of the usual suspects are constructively absent.
And Christy, is that bus anywhere near a cliff?
Did anyone hear Mike Malloy last night? I was working and listening.
He had Shelly Drobny, the founder of Air America on and hes worked with Fitz in Chicago. He painted quite a different picture than the hero we have all looked to for salvation.
He had nothing nice to say and his take on the Rove thing was that Fitz does what he is asked.
Seder was horrified and tried to paint Fitz in the golden light but was shot down quite convincingly.
Did anyone else hear this?
unhinged…. you realize that, right?
St Wendeler
Another Rovian Conspiracy
Yay! My posts are rightfully restored!
The Deciderer is opinionating at his Presser at the moment. I wanna puke.
I predicted yesterday right outa the chute that he would stonewall any Rove questions with the “ongoing trial” red herring. And they gave him a pass on that.
Rove is not out of the woods yet.
Preznit no give Peter turkee!
Sure wish someone would ask the Pretzeldent whether he would prefer to work with Pelosi or Murtha as the next Majority Leader. :P
Thank You ReddHedd!
When you have a minute check out the NY Observer piece linked to in the last thread. There seem to be lots of hints about possible backstory there. Also more direct Quotes from Luskin.
Q: why is Luskin giving quotes ot outlets like Jeralyn and Observer? Why not NYTimes and WaPO? Something is up. These guys don’t do media by accident.
I have never understood how the “junket”/nepotism smear had traction. Wilson was a highly regarded ambassador to Irag, and also to Niger. His wife worked in Irag; she was an expert on WMD proliferation. What more appropriate person to send to niger!!?? The word “junket” on the clipped artical is a marching (smear)order to Libby.
“Look, I unnerschtand, it’s Hard Work…”
heh heh, heh heh…
Some good news in the senate fight.
Dewine in Ohio was show to be ten points ahead in a U of Cinncinnati poll some weeks ago. A more recent poll shows him losing.
Another new poll shows the race in Tennessee to be neck and neck. This is the one the dems need to take back the senate. If Ford can win- everything just might fall into place.
OT still, sorry
No one today at President’s press conference asked, Why are we building permanent bases in Iraq?
Hmmm… I seem to be red-flagged. My posts are hanging in moderation an awful long time. Did I do something to upset the hosts?
Didn’t Gimpy order a LOCAL passenger or cargo plane shot down on 9-11?
Besides the Penn state one I mean.
Lucky in a way things were so FUBAR that day the order wasn’t executed.
And then crashcart went a’hunting, got loaded, shot an old man in the face and the heart and ran away from the breathalyzer but that’s another story.
“I’d love to hear how Cheney received the authority to order the shooting down of commercial aircraft.”
Easy, they were having “War Games” on 9/11… Cheney was in charge…
Google it…
Mega EPU’d from a couple posts ago, but it seems on topic here:
Enjoying reading your stuff from Geneva, ReddHedd. The LA Times stuff is great.
I thought the big intellectual argument that the Chimperor Disgustus made at his presser was this…
“Iraq is not Vietnam because it has a democratically elected goverment.”
This, of course, comes as a surprise to those of us who remember several “Democratically elected South Vietnamese Governments” during that conflict.
Anybody got a link? Is there replay or transcript?
lhp – are you feeling better? I had a weird kind of “mini-flu” last week – body aches, skin sensitivity and fever, but nothing else. Did find myself laughing about the fact that it’s hard to tell the difference between a fever and this new age-related thing where I feel like my thermostat goes into overdrive and I feel like I’m glowing…desperately trying not to be a cliche!
Attaturk,
Just as some of us remember watching the last helicopter lift off the embassy roof.
Snowbird – no I didn’t hear it. To go along with other shitty developments this week, Air America is no longer being broadcast in Mike Malloy’s hometown, Atlanta.
T-
Anotherpawn at 26 — I don’t see anything in moderation from you, so I’m not quite sure what you are talking about as being stuck. And as I just got home (again!) late last night from a very long weekend trip to Vegas and then another side trip to DC, am playing with my daughter, trying to unpack, catch up on blogging and news from everywhere else and working on my next article, a little patience from everyone today would go a long, long way. Thanks.
Snowbird: AAR Premium does that …you can get a ‘one day pass’…checkout the AAR website…
I have to listen to AAR on the net…the station that runs it here is powered by hamsters…
If Cheney was frantically ordering them to shoot down any commercial planes in the air then why were the third and forth planes able to fly around for so long without a single shot being fired? We’re talking about fighter jets waiting on standby here, not alot of turnover time there.
“it is getting attention 3 years later? . . .
either the President knew and approved of pushing a war forward based on a false information campaign of cherry picked intelligence to sell a bill of goods the American public, or he didn’t know all the facts because the President of the United States was bypassed by his own crony minions who rushed him into a war that he wanted for reasons that have not been fully explained to the public. . . .”
Yes, the election of 2004.
But let’s not forget something which may be even bigger to Shrub. His so-called “legacy. This historical judgment hangs by many threads, but I think that if the Wilson/Plame “problem persists, if indeed the case for fabrication of the untruth of WMD’s becomes even more firmly established, the whole legacy falls apart. Sure you might argue doing the “right” thing for the “wrong” reasons is one way history could be written (and will by the usual suspects). But, to me, falsely creating the case for war ranks right up there with Tonkin Gulf and other nefarious acts of politicial leaders.
Its a house of cards for Bush. Wilson must not just be challenged. He must be destroyed.
“Look, I unnerschtand, it’s Hard Work…”
And as we all know, Preznit Clusterfuck doesn’t do hard work — that’s for the hired help.
It’s my understanding that Mr. Drobny is not the most allegedly impartial person that might comment on Patrick Fitzgerald or the job he’s doing.
I’m just saying.
-S
Christy – let me know if I can help.
I think this investigation is over …..
Nice catch, Attaturk. I noticed that too. Just before I pressed both sides of my head as hard as I could, screamed at the top of my lungs, and switched off the TV.
is christy suggesting karl’s bus is headed in cheney’s direction? well, that would make sense. he has his 100 mil blood money (and god only knows what else we don’t know about). perhaps he’s outlasted his usefulness. the corporate gangster sponsors have to focus on the future now in order to sustain the freedom to continue fucking the american people after november 2006.
Patriot says
June 14th, 2006 at 7:59 am
I think this investigation is over …..
______
Notice how The Decider took pains to spin it thus during the Presser. “…it was a thorough investigation…”
“WAS”?
Patriot–The fact that they cannot comment is a sign to me that it is not over. Rove is a stoolie and probably sports the mark of the sqealer on his ass so like all things Bushco, it remains hidden.
lhp –
I think Rove and the White House realize that Bush and Snow still can’t attempt to spin the whole Plame mess (witness this AM’s presser), so it’s been delegated to Luskin. “There’s good blogger work, like calling CBS on the National Guard stuff, and there’s bad blogger stuff, like Truthout.” He’s put it in a “more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger” tone, but it’s spin, pure and simple.
I like the “unindicted co-conspirator” idea, but for that to come out, doesn’t that mean that someone, somewhere, has to be charged with conspiracy? And if so, who?
That’s a big shoe waiting to drop, and if I were Luskin, I’d be careful how much talking I’d be doing to the media. Maybe that answers your question about why he’s just chirping to Jerlyn and the NYO, rather than crowing about it to the NYT and WaPo. “Let’s just let this percolate out there, rather than shout it from the rooftops. Once it’s out there, let Rush and the ‘responsible blogs’ do our spinning for us.”
I’m still with Christy’s comment yesterday: until I hear from Fitz, nothing’s over.
snowbird42, was that on Malloy’s show or Seder’s? You mentioned both, but they aren’t on together.
The jury is still out on PJF. Instead of putting all our hopes on him, we have to concentrate on changes that we can effect like the upcoming elections. And I was EPU’d on the last post: why is no one, including Dem pols, talking about the tailspin the economy is in with the huge fall in the stock market and rise in inflation? I can understand the MSM giving Bush a tremendous pass on this, but where is the Dem party whose “It’s the economy, stupid” brought Clinton in in ‘92?
Transcript from David Schuster with KO fillin:
http://newsbusters.org/node/5873
OK Irving
What does this tell us about how really really tight the noose is around your neck???
Train is pulling out of the station. Oh, and i am leaning just a tech farther toward Karl as unindicted co-conspirator.
Noron is on shilling for her idol…”The president is upbeat and WILL seize the moment”…what a NORON…LOL
Thank you for the info on the next Frontline. I love that show, and ths series in particular has been an eyeopener. The questions about the whereabouts and status of POTUS and his pet goat while Cheney clearly took command is one that will haunt us forever. I hope someone someday writes a great script about some of the possibilities of what happened that day because we will never know the truth.
it was an interesting switcheroo by the Preznit on the question about outting Valerie: instead of “an ongoing investigation”, now it’s “an upcoming serious trial” that’s the reason not to comment…
Christy, Many thanks to you, Jane and EW for the great work you do for all of us. I have a question that has been niggling me since Rove got his get-out-of-jail card: If Rove were to flip and turn “state’s evidence,” that might keep him out of jail, but wouldn’t it simply finish him as a Republican? How could he possibily spin such a thing? Would love your thoughts.
This president has sure seemed completely unfazed that a CIA operative was outed on his watch and by his own administration.
On the other hand, this president sure seems glad that 9/11 happened on his watch too. He’s certainly made hay while the rain poured.
for your viewing pleasure, the upcoming Frontline on PBS about Cheney vs CIA will be broadcast in HDTV … you’ll be able to see every drop of perspiration!
*ilson46201 54 -
Noting more to see here, folks, just move on now…heh heh, heh heh…
Luskin sez yesterday that they wil make no further comment, Boy King follows today.
Noron is on shilling for her idol%u2026″The president is upbeat and WILL seize the moment”%u2026what a NORON%u2026LOL
The So-Called Liberal Media is just dying to have it’s “Beloved President” narrative back, aren’t they? Too bad their stallion is just a broken down jackass.
And I agree with the consensus: no way is this investigation done.
GW Clusterfuck continues his monologue about how swell his tax cuts are making the economy. The financial community has a different take:
All of them should just keep their mouths shut. And Bernanke? ‘Just shut up!’ ”
But they all got rock-star status and just loved it too much to stop, King said.
“Now it’s blowing up in their face because they were shills instead of quietly running policy,” said King, echoing other analysts’ frustrations.
Their comments came as global markets were being knocked around.
“There’s a massive liquidation in just about everything – oil, stocks, gold, copper,” said Peter Beutel, energy analyst at Cameron Hanover.
Oil tumbled here 2 percent to $68.56 a barrel – which is more than triple its price of $19.73 a barrel in January 2002.
“We’re at the foothills of another energy recession,” Beutel said. “Every time we’ve tripled energy prices, we get a major recession.”
Analysts said they are certain Bernanke will hike rates again this summer.
“This mixture of potentially higher interest rates and an economic slowdown could lead to the next recession,” said Herb Kurlan, president of Vtrader Pro.
New government data yesterday said inflation is rising faster than the government predicted, due to broadly rising costs blamed on surging energy.
The Producers Price Index rose 0.3 percent last month, much steeper than forecast.
What’s more, energy costs have drained an extra $203 billion a year out of consumer pockets since 2003 for vehicles and heating homes – or an additional $525 million more each day than they spent three years ago.
Goopers better buckle their seat belts. It may be a rough November ride. Presidents who fuck up a war and fuck up the economy don’t hold congress.
Anne,
Thanks for asking, I’m up and about and gonna hit the law library today. I probably shouldn’t have called it flu, the official diagnosis is “fevers of unkown origin.” I get them from time to time, really high fever and chills, not symptoms (maybe some muscle aches) but really weird dreams that seem more real than the physical world (delrium?) . Then I wake up after a couple days and the physical world seems real again and I am weak as kitten.
that’s the stage I am at today. I would love to take another day or two to recuperate, but need to get some work done. I have two deadlines meet in the law practice and blew a deadline for the DNC over the weekend and must catch up.
Cloning, must have cloning!! now!
It is time to hammer away at Luskins past indiscretions……I hear from friends around the net…they are digging up plenty….
SamuraiSam…very funny!!!!! Jackass indeed.
I don’t think it’s such a ‘flawed policy’ to isolate the preznit from the evil/illegal doings of the underlings; after all, it worked for Reagan and Bush the First. To me it’s tried and tested technique: how to do all sorts of ugliness and stay in power.
Of course for it to work we (the marks) must suspend our requirement that the guy in charge actually be in charge, actually be capable of exerting command and authority within the organization, and hold the responsibility for whatever the org. does. The media helps accomplish this by framing ‘reality’ more as some kind of entertainment, so that we all can more easily find a way to suspend our usual way of thinking about ‘reality’ and accepting the story we’re being told.
I have a hard time believing that this stuff just happens by chance or imcompetence…maybe another cup of coffee will help…
lhp –
I’ve become a Fitz agnostic, or worse — as in,
Fitz & Rove, BFF!!!
Seriously — Fitz may yet produce something of value; but right now, his work product is very close to he labored mightily, and brought forth a mouse territory.
Look — if you were the CIA Director of Whatever, that pushed the DoJ to investigate one of the most damaging betrayals of a covert operation in the history of the USA, how would you feel about now?
Who needs a Saturday Night Massacre, when you can get two and a half years of Kabuki dance, followed by a Monday afternoon “never-mind?”
Something I’ve learned over the last five years — when it comes to the Bush Family, the fix is in; the fix is ALWAYS in . . .
D. Mason
Jets may be fast but they can not arrive somewhere instantaneously. They need to receive orders, get in the air, and be told where to go, get there, and oh yes, they need to be armed. In the confused situation of 9-11 even with a megalomanic Vice President overstepping his constitutional authority, the likelihood of that all happening in a timely and effective fashion was small.
Bobby G
Luskin may have said not comment, but today’s NYObsever article is just full of comments.
Heee’s spinnin.
Gotta ggo. Work calls
looseheadprop…just as people think it is time to give Luskin a taste of his own medicine…Let’s see what the net comes up with nconcerning him.
Didn’t hear the Mike Malloy interview cited above, but I don’t buy it for a minute. For a more neutral take on Fitz’s pre-Plame career, here’s a PBS News Hour transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb…..d_8-8.html
Two snippets:
Kass is no liberal – far from it. He’s just someone who’s seen Fitz in action, up close and personal.
Oh, and Governor Ryan, mentioned at the end of the PBS piece? He was convicted on all counts.
Chicago Rules, people. Chicago Rules.
Their comments came as global markets were being knocked around.
Bush is about to realize the political cost of banking your economic spin on stock market performance. Never bet on short term movements, whether trading or shilling for political policy. Bush, or at least his advisors, should have known better. The stock market is certainly not the only nor the best indicator of our economic health. A good look at rising consumer debt, rising inflation, rising interest rates and flat wage growth should let the Bush administration know the train’s a comin’ and they’re standing on the tracks. Bush should just ask his dad what happens when a President loses the economy…
from the Miami Herald via Rawstory (and buried in the last graf):
Also Tuesday, the military ordered all independent news media off the base by 10 a.m. Wednesday, and had arranged a flight to Miami to expedite their departure.
A two-sentence email to reporters for The Miami Herald and Los Angeles Times, citing a directive from the Office of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, stated: “Media currently on the island will depart on Wednesday, 14 June 2006 at 10:00 a.m. Please be prepared to depart the CBQ [quarters] at 8:00 a.m.”
The correspondents came down to the base on Saturday to cover the aftermath of the suicides, at the invitation of the admiral in charge of the prison. The Pentagon canceled the invitation Tuesday night, despite protests from the newspapers.
Hmmm. Let’s roll over Haditha AND the Gitmo story. Somehow I don’t think it will work. But they’re still trying and spinning and spinning and spinning.
http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/polls06.htm
Link to latest polling results on senate races- just move your cursor to the state you want to see.
It’s getting a little better.
Dems need to take:
Pennsylvania
Montana
Ohio
Missouri
Rhode Island
and Tennessee (or some other state)
and hold their own states- New Jersey, Minnesota, and Maryland are all vulnerable. If they pull this off- it’s bye bye gooper majority leader.
Of course for it to work we (the marks) must suspend our requirement that the guy in charge actually be in charge, actually be capable of exerting command and authority within the organization, and hold the responsibility for whatever the org. does.
Isn’t this essentially the same defense Bernie Ebbers, Ken Lay, Rich Scrushi and other corrupt corporate executives have used, successfully in Scrushi’s case? It’s the “Schulz!” defense: “I know *nussink*!”
Anne – for those Power Surges you are experiencing, I have just the thing:
http://www.stopflash-usa.com/
(It’s not the stopflash that makes you invisible to radar.) This stuff is miraculous. I keep it under my pillow and it stops the Power Surge cold.
I am having the same sinking feeling these days that I had during IranContra season – sinking. Same guys involved, same issues – power over-reach, contempt for the law – but they learned from their past experiences. They’ve planned the coup well. *s*
Christy,
In case you haven’t seen it, Bernard Weiner of The Crisis Papers is linking to your “dodging” post.
http://www.crisispapers.org/es…..-skate.htm
T-
naschkatze and rwcole,
This Administration’s mismanagement of the government and the economy over the last 5 1/2 years may finally unleased forces that can not be controlled or spun. They have been using up all the reserves and resiliency in the economy and the underlying structural problems are beginning to show. I like to think that this began with the energy price spikes caused by Katrina. Given their massive incompetence there, it strikes me as poetic justice that the one aspect of that situation that they had little control over: the damage and down time to the Louisiana energy sector created the inflationary spark that could not be tamped down and that it is this that is sending the markets south and bringing down this shell game of an economic policy that they have been perpetrating on us.
in many other incidents our military jets were able to scramble immediately — this time they sat on the ground because cheney ordered them to do so — the story about his ordering them to attack all commercial flights is a cover-up, since by then cheney knew his 9/11 plan had been carried out
Thinkprogress got a copy of the goopers strategy memo for Iraq…take a gander at the liars memo…
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/14/boehner-memo/
I am having the same sinking feeling these days that I had during IranContra season – sinking.
I agree, and I’ve never held too much hope that the Plame investigation would get beyond Libby. These guys are just too good at covering their tracks and the deck is massively stacked in their favor. The hold so many of the levers of power that it’s awfully difficult to trip one of them up.
However, the potential for political damage is enormous if we could just get more of our visible Dems talking about this case. It’s complicated but the American people aren’t stupid. They understand corruption and they understand the ramifications of burning a CIA asset working in nuclear non-proliferation. If we could just get Biden or Clinton to talk about this instead of how much Biden respects McCain or Clinton is worried about video game violence, we could really turn this into a wedge issue against the Right.
naschkatze @ 50
I’d like to address the whole “PFJ doesn’t matter – winning elections does” thing.
Elections matter, and yet they don’t happen in a vaccuum. They have a context, and the context often drives the electorate. Given the current climate of “don’t trust anyone in the media” and “don’t trust the spinners of either party,” Fitz is as close to an above-the-fray investigator as most of the electorate is going to find acceptable. The more that has come out via his filings, transcripts of motion conferences, and such, the more that ordinary people are seeing about the SOP for the government run by the republican party.
So from the standpoint of winning elections, Fitz matters a lot. Regardless of what happens with his investigation, we need to understand it as much as possible, so as to be able to use it as profitably as possible for the sake of replacing BushCo.
I’m not looking at PFJ as a magic bullet to miraculously cleanse the government of corruption, though I surely hope that some of that comes out of his work. What I’m looking for is a return – a broad return on a thousand different levels – to accountability. To Congress holding the Executive Branch accountable, to voters holding their representatives accountable (Hi Joe!), to the media holding them all accountable, etc.
In Chicago, Michael Bilandik (sp?) was the guy who followed the first Mayor Daley after he died in office. He lost his bid for reelection to a full term because of a damn snowstorm. He didn’t get the streets plowed fast enough, a week before the election, and he lost big.
That’s what context can do for you.
Context matters in winning elections, and Fitz is a huge part of that context.
rove was let off the hook by abu gonzales — it was abu who made rove testify five times because abu wanted to put rove on record in extended detail so as to ensure that rove wouldn’t come up with any bombshells that might hurt bush
abu’s worried: presidential pardons are meaningless nowadays — international law is lengthening its reach & abu doesn’t want his master to go to trial for war crimes
is there a reason my comments are flagged? just asking?
Looseheadprop 32 –
Shelly Drobney wrote an article saying the samething (Fitz is a repub tool, etc) in huffingtonpost couple of days ago. I tried to get the link for you, but i couldn’t find. Looks like Ariana took it down (due to reader complaints???)
RH – Don’t know about Rove driving the bus, but I hear Laura is pretty good with that driving thing.
There’s something about Mike Malloy that’s always seemed a little unhinged to me and that’s why I stopped listening to his show pretty quickly. As much as I’d like to, I don’t quite trust him or his guests to deliver quality information. Can’t quite put my finger on why, but there it is…
gladlythecrosseyedbear,
“by then cheney knew his 9/11 plan had been carried out”
for his martian taskmasters, no doubt, he said, checking to see that his tinfoil hat still fit snugly.
oh mommybrain,
synchroniciblog! quit taking the Rx about a month ago (blood clots!) and have been suffering hideous surges, have been tempted to ask others here about non rx remedies – and there it was. am sure it is TMI for some, but it really burns me I went almost 8 years in without a surge or sweat of any kind
thanks a bunch
Christy,
I’ve given up waiting to post this until I get caught up on comments (prolly won’t happen) – I thought you came up absolutely HUGE yesterday, especially given that you were still on the road and supposed to be dealing with another convention.
FDL and The Next Hurrah were islands of sanity on a day when it was in short supply. Thanks again.
Hugh- According to this article they had the orders, need less than 10 minutes to get in the air and less than 10 minutes to reach their target, and when I said they were on standby that means they were armed. Yes routine procedure is to have 2 fighters constantly on standby near the capitol. Yet the plane that hit the pentagon was flying off course for just under 40 minutes. If they really had orders in hand from cheney to shoot the planes down then alot of people along the way really dropped the ball.
Who is the first Sealed, is what I keep thinking about. What if S. v S. is Wilson &/or Plame versus Cheney?
I am inclined to believe this whole story is over. There’s a slim chance Libby might be convicted, but Bush will pardon him within ten to fifteen minutes, and that will be the end of that. It’s the way Washington works.
The one thing that pulls me back into speculation mode, however, is that copy of the NYTs with Cheney’s hand-written notes all over it. This is a loaded piece of evidence–WHO in the hell saved that piece of paper, and why in the hell did they hand it over to Fitzgerald?
I’d love to hear a lawyer’s take on how damning a piece of evidence like that is, given its content and the crime under investigation–how A to B is it? How spinnable? How irrefutable?
According to one excellent analysis I read yesterday (my apologies to the author for not being able to recall who wrote it) it is not likely that Karl was indicted under sealed vs. sealed. (I know, I should just take Luskin and Corallo’s word for it, right?)
The logic for this conclusion is that Karl would be asked under oath if he is testifying in return for immunity. He must say yes if it is true, but if he does, he admits guilt, and that would look very, very bad for both him and the WH.
Now if this is the case, that doesn’t mean that PJF didn’t prepare charges against him and read them to Luskin. It just means that Fitz didn’t actually ask the jury to vote to indict on those charges.
Yesterday’s author supposed that there was a gentleman’s agreement between attorneys and conjectured that as soon as Fitz was able to confidently assert to Judge Walton that there would be no problems with executive privilege, he faxed Luskin a “clear for now” letter.
Which leaves us with the problem of who the “sealed vs. sealed” indictment in the Libby case (1-o6-CR-128) is for, if not for Karl.
Since Fitz’s Exhibts A-C (from the DOJ website linked here yesterday) contain Libby’s testimony re: John Doe, and the Faux Faux Fitz blog has a May entry entitled “Libby and Cheney in Deep Doe-Doe”, dare we hope “sealed vs. sealed” is for Cheney?
I’m begining to think Fitz sold out the American people. Libby is the sacrificial lamb and the investigation stops there. He gets pardoned. Case closed. Amer. people get screwed again.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0613.html
I’ve never seen, frankly, someone involved in an investigation of this kind given so many chances to continually correct and amend prior testimony. There are many prosecutors who would have indicted Rove on his first statement,” George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley told CBS. “He was given a great deal of deference and quite frankly, assistance, by the prosecutor.”
http://www.editorandpublisher……1002652747
If Sealed v Sealed IS Wilson/Plame v Cheney, that solves the statute of limitations problem, right?
al-Scooter at 88 — awww, thanks. But I couldn’t have done it without the heads up e-mail from Holden. As it was, it was all I could do to get two posts in before having to run (and I mean literally RUN) to my panel yesterday morning. I missed the Hillary Clinton and John Kerry speeches that I had wanted to see so I could report back to you guys on them. SIGH Between all the travel and the exhaustion and the being behind on the news, I’m feeling like I will never get caught back up again. (Not to mention the fact that my beloved child just painted the back of our bathroom door with fuschia fingernail polish…)
D. Mason #87
Which article?
For me, the key phrase was in the Time article:
“…absent any unexpected developments, he does not anticipate seeking any criminal charges against Rove.”
That tells me that Fitz knows he’s complicit, he just doesn’t have any evidence, yet. OR it could mean an unexpected development such as Rove agreeing to help to avoid being charged and then later renigging (sp?) on that promise.
Is that phrase Fitz’s way of saying to Rove, “You’d best live up to what you promised, or else.”?
Here’s the article:
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..04,00.html
A junket? to Nigeria? garden spot of Africa? Cheney must have been desperate…
ck – 65
yeah. I am very sketical of Fitzy unlike others who admire or love the guy. Fitz has gone out of his way to give Rove a way out. I am no lawyer or prosecutor but I have not heard of any cases where a prosecutor allowed a potential inditee to fix his testimonies 5 times. Maybe some lawyers on this site can point to such cases.
Rove should have been indited, period but Fitz let him go. The question is WHY. Did someone intefere with Fitz’s investigation ? Did someone pull the strings all along ?
I go back to Fitz’s job again. Bush quietly extened Fitz’s term. We all know our president is a mean SOB so unless you are loyal to him, you ain’t part of the family. In the current adminstration, loyalty counts above and beyond.
jess at 98: How did Bush quietly extend Fitz’s term? Link?
I think Fitz’s original term was supposed to be ending last fall, guess they extended it.
cbl – never took the rx due to too much breast cancer in the family. Tried herbs but couldn’t stomache the quantities involved. I’ve been pretty fried the last few years from changing sleep patterns, surges etc. (hence the original handle of menopausal mommybrain). This stuff at least has let me sleep through the night. Bonus – it’s a woman-powered company!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0613.html
looseheadprop, have you ever been tested for malaria?
I keep ice packs in the freezer for Surges,put them at the base of your neck and alternate them to your forehead.Helps alot,for me at least.
I also take a Black Cohosh herbal combo if things start getting a little out of hand.
Oh,and cool baths with a hint of lavender flowers and a touch of mint leaves is blissful if the heat gets to be a bit much.(make a strong tea out of those and dump the tea in the tub,it’s less messy than just throwing the herbs in the tub)
I may not be a keen brain on matters of law and politics,but the herbal thingy is my forte’,lol.
Carry on firepups,ya’all have been busy this morning I see…
See how Fitz was appointed: (3 documents)
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html
Christy #94:
I know it sounds crazy, but this is a day you’ll treasure. Even though we’re still best friends, my little girl’s not my little girl anymore. She’s grown up, moved away, just waiting for the formality of my giving her away to her betrothed in a few months.
What I wouldn’t give to be able to rewind the tape…!
LeisureGuy at 99: Ambassador Wilson went to Niger, not Nigeria. Travelers to Niger are required to get cholera and yellow-fever shots…not quite Kennebunkport or Hyannisport
Can we make ourselves feel better today by posting the Snow/Bartlett pic?
Sorry about that break in the middle of investigation. I can’t seem to correct it from here.
I’ve always had qualms about this adoration of Fitzgerald. He is a really good prosecutor with an extremely solid record behind him but his goals as a prosecutor are not ours and he does not share our timetable. Governor Ryan wasn’t convicted until he had been out of office for a couple of years and the scandal broke when he still had plenty of time left in his term. Personally, I would have liked to have seen Ryan nailed much earlier, but then I am not a prosecutor. I think much the same dynamic is at work in the whole Plame investigation. Meeting our expectations is not Fitzgerald’s job, unfortunately.
mommybrain – thanks for the info – I ordered some! Maybe I will be able to start sleeping with my entire body under the sheet, instead of figuring out how to sleep on my side with sheet on shoulders and feet/legs sticking out to stay cool…I don’t have the drenching sweats, just the “glow,” but even that is enough to wake me.
Thanks again!
“what about the Dem Party?” When Newt had his Contact with America he had 100 Repugs on the Capital steps with him everyday. There is more than enough going on for the Dems to do the same thing. For image building it doesn’t do much to see Harry Reid alone in a dim hallway-get it together.
AND aren’t you glad the pres. is “impressed” with with the iraqi pres. -like his impressions of the war and the various interim goverments have been very reasurring. From the looks of it, the pres. looked like he was in elementary school and excited to be on a field trip.
very few whiny i-told-you-so’s commenting today. the overnight meds must have kicked in…
You know what, sometimes you just can’t charge someone with a criminal offense because you cannot make the case. Period. And all the bitching about Fitzgerald in the world does not change that fact. Nor does it change the fact that a prosecutor is only doing his or her job by NOT charging when the evidence is not sufficient. You do not do the job by charging people you find repugnant or possibly guilty — that’s just using the job for political and/or personal vengeance and it’s not a proper way to function. It was not proper for Ken Starr and his minions to make a huge mountain out of a blowjob, and it would equally not be proper here if the evidence was not solid for Rove.
And all the Monday morning quarterbacking in the world, let alone the bitching about it, doesn’t make that any less true. It’s a shit position to be in as a prosecutor when you know, you absolutely KNOW, that someone is a weasel and a bastard but you don’t have the clear evidence for a charge — but that is frankly all too common, and it is best to err on the side of not charge than to charge someone on thin evidence only to find out that they were not guilty.
Let the man finish his job. Some days you come up a winner with every piece of evidence falling into place. Some days you don’t. But this is one battle in a long, long fight between what they want and what we want — and Fitzgerald and his team are simply doing their job to the best of their ability given the evidence in front of them. As Jane said yesterday, it is more likely that Cheney and the Veep’s office are the larger target here — everyone would do well to take a deep breath and stop pointing fingers. I’ve been in Fitzgerald’s shoes with a tough case enough times to know that sour grapes from those outside the process do nothing to help get the job done. And that sort of divide and conquer bullshit is such a Rove hallmark, I’m really surprised that anyone here would even fall for the Luskin spin on this.
Puke from the Presser:
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QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
Mr. President, when you ran for office for the first time, you said you would hold the White House to a higher ethical standard. Even if Karl Rove did nothing illegal, I wonder whether you can say now whether you approve of his conduct in the CIA leak episode. And do you believe he owes Scott McClellan or anyone else an apology for misleading them?
BUSH: I appreciate the job that the prosecutor did. I thought he conducted himself well in this investigation. He took a very thorough, long look at allegations and rumors.
And I, obviously along with others in the White House, took a sigh of relief when he made the decision he made.
BUSH: And now we’re going to move forward.
And I trust Karl Rove. And he’s an integral part of my team.
There’s an ongoing trial here. And I know the temptation is — not the temptation; you’ll keep asking questions during the course of the trial. I’m not going to comment beyond that.
Thank you.
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Nothing more to see here, folks, everyone just move on…
TROLL
I’m pretty cynical about everything these days, but I have unwavering trust in Fitzgerald. He never promised us anything more than what he’s given and I don’t see where he’s misled the public. To my way of thinking, he’s as straight of a straight-shooter as they come.
Fitz was nominated and confirmed by the senate on Sep 2001 and the term was 4 years. His term should have ended in Sep or Oct 2005 but it did not b/c Bush re-nominated him again and obviously the senate agreed.
I am staying positive waiting to hear from Fitzgerald, also worrying that his investigation has been quashed by the DOJ.
Hugh, I’m struggling to figure out how someone who is relentless in pursuit of justice – as corny as that sounds – no matter how long a slog it is, is someone you would have qualms about. While it would be nice for investigations and indictments and trials to occur such that there is maximum political impact in our favor, that is a knife that cuts both ways. I will take measured and thorough over hasty and sloppy any day if it means that regardless of who is under investigation, charges of partisan politics will not be part of it.
I’m just sayin’
hendricks at 83, IANAM [I am not a moderator] but sometimes the spam filter just stops posts for reasons unknown. It’s happened to me several times.
If Fitz has been screwed over I anticipate his resignation. And soon.
poor Kenneth Starr ! He had been on the tenure track for a possible appointment to the U. S. Supreme Court. He got greedy and blew it. His name will indeed go down in history but not for good reasons.
Oh well !
TROLL
(Sorry Hugh, leaped too soon…my bad…JH)
Did anyone else see Armitage on Charlie Rose last night? Fascinating interview – toward the end, Rose asked him about Rove and the leak case. Armitage said that when the President ordered everyone to cooperate with the investigation, the “state department” (pause, emphasis) took it “very seriously.” Absolutely mum about what he told the Feds, but would not say no when asked if he were one of those who spoke to Novak. Wouldn’t say anything until Fitz is finished, he said.
jess at 120 — no reappointment has occurred that I know of, it would have required another Senate hearing if it had — this is actually fairly common for the career prosecutor appointments where you have an ongoing investigation/prosecution as Fitzgerald does in Illinois at the moment. You stay on the job unless removed and another USAtty is appointed. Once approved, you don’t necessarily have to go through a reapproval process; you can, you just don’t always do so.
He “unnershtands” a lot of stuff (from the Presser):
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I understand the politics and all that. But I’m going to continue to remind them that, “Set politics aside, this nation owes you a debt of gratitude.”
Jet lag — I understand jet lag.
But I also understand the stakes of this war, OK. I understand how important it is to defeat the enemy.
And I understand the stakes of this war. And I understand this battlefront in Iraq.
Look, I understand the pressures to put timetables out there — on everything. And my answer to you is is that we will work with the Iraqi government to do what’s realistic.
But I understand why people, Richard, are concerned, because progress is hard to see.
BUSH: You know, it’s one thing to say, “You know, we got Zarqawi; that’s progress.” It’s another thing to say, “I met with the man and I believe he can make the right decisions.” And so somebody’s going to say, “Sure, well show me.” And I understand that.
And I understand how tough it is for the American people to reconcile death on their TV screens when the president’s saying we’re making incremental progress toward an important goal.
But I understand why people, Richard, are concerned, because progress is hard to see.
BUSH: You know, it’s one thing to say, “You know, we got Zarqawi; that’s progress.” It’s another thing to say, “I met with the man and I believe he can make the right decisions.” And so somebody’s going to say, “Sure, well show me.” And I understand that.
I understand leadership. Leadership requires determination.
mommybrain, does it help with the sweats ?
Angry Old Broad – thanks for the herbal info
Christy @ 116.
Amen to all of that. I have hope that there is still some justice coming, and if Fitzgerald honestly didn’t have a rock solid case against Rove he shouldn’t of indicted, he isn’t doing OUR bidding, I never felt that he was or even should. I just hope and have hoped that he is going his job and isn’t being strong-armed or threatened.
My god it seemed like he had Rove on perjury though, that is what I can’t reconcile!
Dear Redd,
I have a question. Last night on The PBS Newshour, an unfortunate choice of Joe DiGenova was made for the discussion of the Rove news item. Aside from many declarations of untruth— i.e., “no laws were broken”, “the investigation is over”– Mr. DG also said that no final report would be forthcoming–in fact, he said, it would be against the law for Fitz to speak about the case.
Is this true? Also, is it the usual practice when charges are withdrawn/dropped for the prosecutor NOT to make any statement?
Thanks.
Count me in on the Fitz doubters. He may just be doing his job, but he also seems to have bent over backwards to help Rove (letting him testify FIVE times) and narrow the case to indictments against one willing sacrificial lamb. I know others here disagree, and that’s fine. From now on I’m going to assume the bastards get away with all their lawbreaking – UNTIL we can flip congress. So that’s what I’m gonna focus on.
Christy #116
Thank you for the input on this. Your expertise is so helpful for those of us who are not lawyers.
I was disappointed about the info on Rove, the rightwing talking heads were gushing about it all being overblown etc.
Someone commented earlier about how this plays to anger both the “left and the right.” BS!
I trust Fitz, and said a long time ago that he and Comey were beacons of light in a dark sea. I still believe that. As a resident of Ill. and seeing the Ryan thing start out with a traffic accident in Wisconsin that killed 6 kids and then coming all the way to 8 years later and convictions on all counts. Justice takes a long time in some cases. Today, I am refreshed from the dispair of yesterday, and it is because of you, Jane, Jeralyn, and Emptywheel that keep things in focus for us in the community. Thank you again.
Luskin yesterday: Rove is now in the clear, and we will have no further comment.
Bush today: The thorough investigation is now complete, Rove is in the clear, and we are moving on and will have no further comment.
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Unadulaterated spin for the apathic masses.
I stream AA here in Tenn. My computer lives in my studio. makes time go by.
Mike Malloys interview with Drobny was very revealing last night but I dont know if Malloy has an archive.
I just looked and couldnt find anything but I dont have time to search much.
Id love to hear it again. who belongs to AA premium?
END THE DAMN WAR
Larry Johnson gives his account:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..disco.html
Sorry for not making it a link.
Rootz!
FRONTLINE’s investigation of the ensuing conflict includes more than forty interviews, thousands of pages of documentary evidence, and a substantial photographic archive.
Apologies if this has already been said, but I bet that if the wingnutosphere can find the tiniest inaccuracy or authenticity question on just *one* of those thousands of pages of documentary evidence, it will discredit the entire report.
(Why no, I’m not bitter or cynical at all, whatever would make you say that?)
OT– Reporters kicked off the island of Dr. Moreau… welcome to another news blackout from the shameful shores of Gitmo.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0614.html
eli 139 -
Absolutely. They’ve perfected this tactic and it’s never failed them. You can set your watch by how fast they’ll go into teardown mode.
hugh- pardon my mistake, it’s not an article but the frontline piece cited by Christy which says Cheney gave the order to shoot the planes down.
A couple thoughts on these new developments…First, last night on the Newshour, diGenova (sp) was spinning hard the line that the investigation is over, Fitz is overzealous, no underlying crime, etc. Given that Rove won’t be indicted, why is the administration trying so hard to start the “investigation is over” meme? Maybe, jes maybe, there is something to this Cheney thing.
Second, and this is more of a question. Fitz isn’t after Libby at all. Is it possible that he (Fitz) went after the lieutenants first, found one to indict, and then did so just to see how the administration would build it’s defense? After all, Fitz now has a wealth of information he can apply to future indictments based on how Libby’s legal team has built it’s defense case. If and when Fitz brings new indictments, he can anticipate how the administration will respond.
Hugh at 6: Bush also had another looked in his eyes and saw his soul moment in Iraq with al-Maliki. Does anyone besides me find this creepy?
My wife (an anthropologist) saw that and said “ooh, there’s a major cultural faux pas.”
Also, Bush’s being “very impressed” with al-Malaki kinda reminds me of Chris Rock’s riff on people saying of Colin Powell “he’s so well-spoken!” It’s only a compliment if the Prime Minister of Iraq is someone you don’t expect to be impressed with.
“Ooh, you have your own country? Really? And ‘prime minister’, is that an important job?”
Hard to want to read any news that looks like good news for Rove, but what is this all based on? Luskin? Please.
I have confidence in Fitz. He may not be able to solve all our problems, but the man has integrity, and that counts for a lot these days.
cyn2 at 132 — Actually, DiGenova is partially incorrect on that. There isn’t a public report required, but Fitzgerald can do a report to the AG, who can then make the report available to Congress and thus, in part, available to the public if they choose to do so. The regs are internal that cover this (I did an article on this a while back, and I’ll try to find it when I get time in a bit and will post a link…). The former special prosecutor laws required a public accounting. Since Fitz was not appointed under the now-lapsed laws, his reporting requirements fall under the current DoJ regs instead which allow for an internal report. It would be up to Gonzales as to what gets shared and what doesn’t — but there have already been moves by Rep. Conyers and others to request that the report be conveyed to Congress for oversight if and when it is submitted.
The lack of a Rove indictment provides a strong clue about who’s really in charge in the White House. It is not Bush.
Too many of you who think the system is rigged, that someone says Jabberwocky, and the defendant walks or the investigation ends;* or, alternatively that b/c Luskin says that “x” has happened, that “x” has really happened. Not all of you, but enough.
You (and me for that matter) have no clue whether or not Rover is “off the hook” or not; whether he bought his “freedom” with cooperation, whether he has pled, or will plead to an information or indictment at some point in the future. Your speculation (as well as mine for that matter), is based on parsing the words of HIS attorney – who not only has an interest in spinning ANYTHING in his clients favor, but a track record of inconsistencies and obfuscations (if not outright lies); and the words and anonymous sources of the press (none of whose sources ever seem to know what Fitz or his team is up to). Did Rover get a letter from Fitz? If so, what did it say. If it was a phone call relaying the information that wouldn’t, as a defense attorney, make me particularly happy, since I would want a formal letter for the record – something I could show to the client (or leak to the world). Unless and until we get to see a letter, or Fitz’ camp speaks to the issue, there is no reason to assume that any of this is “good” for Rover or TEAM LOSER, or that anything dramatic or meaningful has happened.
Now, I’ve been in the Rover cooperating camp for a long time – too many appearances before the GJ – they had me at 3, let alone 5, and I still strongly believe that is the best speculation, given the facts that we do know – like he appeared 5 times before the grand jury. Is it possible that he is cooperating and the deal is that so long as his cooperation is both truthful and complete he won’t be prosecuted? Although being given a pass for cooperating is not typical for someone of Rover’s level of importance it is not unheard ot, but if that is the deal, the better speculation is that he’s given up something good to the prosecutor in exchange for it.
To blockquote Otis – whose posts on legal matters have always been intelligent and which I usually agree:
If you are going to parse Luskin, or Rover’s present situation, that is the only reasonable way to do so.
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* Another great episode of NewsRadio, in which Joe saves Jimmy James in court by whispering Jabberwocky in the ear of the Judge right before the Judge is to rule against Jimmy (who thought he had bought the skull of George “Goober” Lindsey, among other television paraphernalia.
mark henry at 22:
The “junket” business was never meant to appeal to people like us, it was meant to discredit him in the eyes of people in the “stern father” mindset. (Lakoff spoke about this mindset at YKos, and while I don’t agree with everything he says, it was quite convincing, in part because he’s clear that it isn’t an absolute and doesn’t claim it explains everything.)
Basically, it was meant to feed a narrative that Wilson was a wimp and could be disregarded because he let his wife “send” him. I know it doesn’t make any sense. It’s not meant to be an argument, it’s meant to divert people who aren’t very determined from ever looking at the actual facts.
new thread
Christy lamented: “(Not to mention the fact that my beloved child just painted the back of our bathroom door with fuchsia fingernail polish%u2026)”
Ain’t life ‘JUST’ wonderful? :) Christy, see it as comic relief — our children are here to remind all of us of the absurdity clause in reality.
Take a break, Kiddo! Grab that bottle of Fuchsia nail polish and paint your toenails — and RELAX. None of this is going away anytime soon — and that is the absurdity of our present day government.
(Sorry Hugh, leaped too soon…my bad…JH)
Evil Parallel Universe 148 -
Yep. Spin cycle is on Hot/Cotton/High.
They are also playing for time, too, it seems.
cbl 129, Black cohosh (Brand name RemiFemin) works great for me, look for the generic alongside, much cheaper.
Badwater #147:
Then if Cheney’s been tossed under the proverbial bus by Rove, it isn’t merely about saving his own pasty posterior. It’d be tantamount to a coup by the Bushies against the neocons.
Remember, Condi – a Bushie to the core – is being positioned as the sane one in the administration’s foreign policy establishment. And then there were last week’s leaks about how Poppy was working behind the scenes to get Rummy to spend more time on the tennis court.
Stranger things have happened.
Sounds like 41 is trying to save his family dignity. Good luck heh.
EPU @ 148
Dead on. this is what I was trying to get at yesterday but you put it much much better. This is all spin cycle. Something may of actual legal substance may of happened yesterday and something may of not. We don’t know.
One thing that did happen is the issue is now framed as being “resolved” and “let’s move on”. I don’t f**king think so. Sure, all we can do is speculate but yesterday was not NEWS it was a PR release and the msm media (and even many here!?) bought it again, hook, line and sinker.
They NYT, WSJ, and WSP, etc. have so much to gain by putting this story to bed in mind of the public (b/c they are wrapped up in it), the have been complicit once again!!! First they started the story back w/ Novack and Miller and now they are trying to end it. It makes me ill.
I’ve already set my TIVO to record the Frontline show (”The Dark Side”) next week, and I humbly suggest everyone else do the same.
There’s that old Yogi Berra quip that keeps running through my mind: “It’s not over…”
A clear ’state of the union’ Thanks.
I doubt there’s going to be a prosecution involving Cheney [see I hate being this rational…]. On the other hand, the information about Nigergate and Plamegate is clear as a bell. We all know what happened. The task isn’t investigative any more. It’s three things:
1. Getting this information [Nigergate and Plamegate] into the Press or T.V. to people who either don’t know what happened or are avoiding knowing what happened.
2. Getting the thread of the ominous side of this Administration separated from the patriotic/religious issues they hide behind, so even real Conservatives can see they’re being duped.
3. Making it impossible for anyone to ignore the actual level of corruption in the Republican Party – that this level of corruption isn’t American thing, it’s a this Republican Administration thing.
We can do all three…
OT – Stunning grass roots/netroots political & environmental victory in California creating chaos, fear and loathing in the back rooms of the Pebble Beach Company – (Clint Eastwood, Peter Uberroth, et al), shameless Democrat State Assemby Speaker Fabian Nunez, Monterey County Board of Supervisor Dave Potter and heaven knows how many other public officials of both parties.
Here in on the central California coast a betting pool is afoot on how soon the AG will initiate a full investigation of the whole sordid story.
Kudos to reporter Larry Parsons of the Monterey County Herald – and the new ownership of our only daily newspaper.
Hat Tip to the intrepid Mark Massara of the California State Siera Club, Del Monte Forest heroine Janice O’Brien, and the feisty Concerned Residents of Del Monte Forest and Monterey County.
The new Teed Off blog will have full links available by the weekend for interested firepups to savor.
Redshift 144
Did your wife also see something else I thought happened during w’s little photo-op in Baghdad? I swear I saw him flash that awful, patented w-smirk, during his dumbbell announcement that he’d come all the way to look al-Malaki in the eye.
All I could think of was a nitwit dictator making fun of a guy who’s no doubt already got a target on his back, and making him look like a puppet while smirking right in his face.
Not sure “faux pas” is strong enough. al-Malaki looked utterly stunned, briefly, by the arrogant @#$%
Is there a troll infestation today? All this “concern” about Fitz having sold out the American people…
Why is it that anytime people disagree on this site someone is guaranteed to call them a troll?
Are trolls monogamous?
Redshify 149:
Thanks for the stab at the “junket” meaning and the “stern father” meme. Fitz seems to think it important enough to include in his filings and a conspiracy charge would seem to need this to be a rung up the ladder. And, No, the left was not the target to be sure (partisans tend to forget that there is a rational middle in US politics who are cynical of both sides). However, not everyone who questions the legitimacy of Wilson’s assignment can just be catagorized or slotted and therefore have their underlying questions ignored.
I would like the bright minds to disect this: What substance is there in Cheney’s margins note? Can you read the words on their face and give perspective? Are ex-Ambassadors usually sent on this type of investigation? Was Cheney viewing this in the eyes of a rogue CIA vs. White House pissing match, or at least a lack of confidence in the methods and poor results of CIA non-prolif. work? This mission did not follow SOP. Why? Was is because his wife worked in that CIA section? (Turns out the answer was yes, and she had direct input in Wilson’s nomination and selection for the job.) So, Cheney’s hunch seems borne out, no? No relevance that Wilson / Plame were Dem contributors with links to anti-administration groups and the VIP’s?
Let’s get ALL of the evidence out on the table. Really want to understand the “junket” question? Then try seeking out those who make that case and check their evidence. It may be different than what you read from others who agree with you… but then you would have to deal with it to be credible, not just popular with your friends.
Want a scoop? How about answering this question: Are ex-Ambassadors usually sent on this type of investigation? Were SOP’s followed? I have not seen any evidence on these issues which lie at the heart of Cheney’s concerns.
More meat, less fluff.
Rove was on the cusp of being indicted last
October. It took this long for Fitz to decide
to not indict Rove again? None of this makes any sense.
I’m wondering the same thing as Chisolm (92) – how did the newspaper article with Cheney’s notes on it end up with Fitzgerald?
timewarp @ 9:07 am (#127) – I saw it and was impressed. The rumors that Armitage might have had something to do with outing Plame seem bogus to me. It certainly appears that he knows more than he’s saying, though.
I really, really, hope you’re right and that Cheney’s the diversion. Because you’re right that they really need one, and the other option looks a lot like the Reichstag fire …
Seattle @ 12:49 pm (#167) – Someone, I’m not sure who or where I read this, speculated that if the Bush Admin thinks it has a Cheney problem it can’t get rid of, then this may be the way. He’s an elected official, so he can’t be fired. If he doesn’t want to resign, then the only avenue left is impeachment. It’s certain that they should be embarrassed about him, but who knows? He’s a big reason they’re mired in Iraq and thanks to late-night comedy no one’s going to forget his last hunting trip anytime soon. I think there’s something to this, but with the Bushies, who can know for sure?
What if there’s an actual person who can testify that Cheney knew that Valerie Plame was an undercover agent before it was leaked? Hope springs eternal…
Malloy archive:
http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Malloy.html
exitnine,
I agree that this doesn’t make sense. If Fitz were really just a Republican tool, he would have cleared Rove before or at Libby’s indictment (and there may not have been a Libby indictment). I think there is MUCH we don’t know yet about what’s going on. I trust that a Jesuit-educated man who has taken great pains to appear non-partisan and objective at all times is doing exactly what he can within the law. The Jesuit thing may not mean much to many of you, but I’ve worked with many Jesuit-educated people, and I’m married to one, and I have always been impressed with the sense of honor and duty that they have. (I’m talking about Jesuits here, not Father Pervy in the neighborhood parish. There are Catholics and there are Catholics . . .)
FWIW, Truthout asserts that the contents of 06 cr 128 is to be unsealed in five (5) weeks.
Mark your calendars:the week of July 21st or thereabouts
It would be nice if looseheadprop’s take on Fitz were erroneous, but he was appointed by Ashcroft (after he got himself deep in his conflict of interest)
motherlowman@173
There are Jesuit-educated people (e.g. Fitz) and there are Jesuit-educated people (e.g. Mugabe). But I don’t doubt for a minute that PJF is an honorable man. The Chicago Tribune a while back did a piece about virtue ethics and Fitzgerald. And, in an age in which people will sell their mother for a promotion, Fitzgerald remains a puzzle. In many ways, he has the weight of the world on his shoulders but he remains steadfast. You have to wonder what the last few days have been like for him. Once we know most of the full story, he’ll be vindicated. Meanwhile I wonder if Comey ever regrets what he got his friend into.
I was half asleep, but heard it. I don’t know… who is that guy and what is he known for? He’s the founder of Air America (or one of them!!!!). I have seen the results of Fitz… and it appears that he knows what he’s doing. I don’t put too much faith in it.
Also, I feel like Rove with be charged – I can’t tell you my SECRET news… but I’m sure of it.
I have always found the junket notion to be deeply offensive, given that Niger is a terribly poor country with zero tourist industry and a GDP slightly below that of Rhode Island.
The fact that these scum can spin his trip into a ‘junket’ without a single one of the reporters pointing out the obvious disparity between, say a golfing trip to St Andrews and this trip is perhaps more offensive though.
What happens when you pull facts out of your arse;
GDP per capita of Niger = $900
GDP per capita of RI = $38,000
So, Niger ranks 217th out of 232 countries, beaten out only by places like East Timor, Afghanistan and the Gaza Strip.
Victoria@176
HuffPost has an essay by Sheldon. I don’t buy his argument against Fitz but you can judge for yourself. People like Sheldon forget that the FBI drives a lot of what the US Atty’s office prosecutes. And, for all we know, Fitz’s office is compiling a case against the handling of the state teachers’ pension fund. To insinuate Fitz is a political tool is to display a disturbing lack of judgment about an ethical, non-partisan man.
As always, FITZ!
Can any newspaper or news service confirm that the Executive Order dated 25 March 2003 giving Cheney the authority to declassify information was indeed issued on that date? Currently the http://www.whitehouse.gov website is lagging about four months behind in the “News Updates.” Is there a chance that the Executive Order in question was back-dated to cover Cheney’s revelation of Valerie Plame as a CIA agent? Websites are perfectly suited to George Orwell’s description of the job Winston Smith held in the Ministry of Truth. Is the book “1984″ no longer considered fiction?