Fitz Rootz!

Fitz in court?

Jane – a little warning might have saved me from the Diet Coke that came shooting out of my nose…*g* Brava!

fitz…
ewwww…
isn’t it “bukkake”
anyway, a lovely and well-deserved evisceration

wherein Hamsher woolcotts Cox.

Oh, my.

eponym correction — wolcotts.

Anne @3: That stuff is corrosive. I use it to clean my camera battery connection.

I’ll take Jane in the jello ring against Cox any day! LOL

That last line is paydirt.

Ahbedawg — EPU’d the minute it hatched! Here’s what I just posted below:

OT but important — this EPU’d exchange from [now next-to-]last thread:

Margaret said:

“… The thing that bothers me about the ability to work with and interact with other Democrats through the blogs is that I am often left feeling that, although I share the attitudes and concerns of what you all call [’]progressives,[’] I am left out of true participation in the process. My thoughts are either ignored, or misunderstood. It may be a generational thing, and maybe, I should just leave off commenting and let the rest of you do your thing the way you think it should be done. But, so much of the thinking, sometimes, is too much on the surface, getting into petty analysis of things that don’t matter, and the bigger picture gets lost.

“Attacking politicians, such as Boxer, who has an overwhelming sympathy for most of our causes, backed up by action where it counts, is stupid. A courteous letter to her office, or a phone call would be a finer way to let her know what you think about Lieberman, and your criticisms of her, and anyone else who passes in your cross-hairs, would have more posibility of having an impact. … ”

then mommybrain said:

“Dear Margaret,

“With all due respect, because I know you are coming from sincerity, manners in politics these days get you exactly nowhere. When the [’]other side[’] can say on national tv things like 911 widows and orphans are whores, it’s time to take the gloves off and join the fight on their turf. You want us to sit down, shut up and then raise our hands to see if they’ll acknowledge us? Ain’t gonna happen anymore, on either side.

“In your daily life, manners matter. When it comes to politics, they are playing by an entirely different set of rules and we lose if we don’t play by them, too.”

lotus says:

mommybrain, I could not possibly disagree with you more on this one. The goopers don’t hold exclusive title to the rules they play by, it’s true — but that’s no concern of ours because our project is (rather than learning to play their game by their rules) to impose our own game’s rules (#1 of which is “Integrity every day in every way”).

Their howlingly-incompetent governing policies grew out of their “bright shiny” but 100% spurious politics. The last thing we need to do is follow them there (and the minute we do, I, for only one, am outta here).

That said, I also disagree with Margaret’s first graf. What’s going on at FDL is never primarily superficial (though some of it is, because we’re sane human beings and want to stay that way). Rather, I think it’s our nice balance of serious weightiness and comic relief that keeps this multilogue fizzing so creatively along.

It’s a beautiful heuristic we’ve got here at FDL: our box for putting our chaos in — a container in which we capture and hold zooming thoughts long enough to make sense of them and find out what we think.

Whenever I’m reading to catch up to a thread that was written hours before, I love watching this phenomenon. Example: The other night, when TeddySanFran got upset enough about the “tranny”-bashing creeping into the comments on Ann Coulter to excuse himself for a few hours, the responses of those he left behind gradually, chaotically, led to a sure “sense of the caucus” that “TSF is right, we’re above that sort of thing, so we’re not gonna do it anymore.”

That one is, I grant you, tending to the superficial — but just as often, I watch our finest-minded Firedogs (Jane, Christy, Pach, Mary, Peterr, looseheadprop — and that’s just for starters) trotting about until they Find the Bone (i.e., something absolutely crucial to further our efforts on behalf of our nation’s well-being).

My point is, FDL is all about giving us A Safe Space for thinking out loud and teasing (in both senses of the word) out enlightenment.

And thank the Goddess for it just the way it is!

/speech

Anne Marie “COX” at a Bukkake Festival. Ya gotta luv it!

Sorry Jane, it’s OT and EPU’d but if you had not seen this, you might want to take any BP medicine if necessary.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000881.php

I understand the sentiment but I think you are playing right into her hands.

Cranky

For those of us insufficiently “in,” could someone please identify the people in the photo? I assume it’s Wonkette between Andrew Sullivan and…?

It’s the snark bonanza! Good show, Jane.

It does seem like Cox left the game just before it started getting really good. Now no one cares what she thinks. Pity.

The level of discourse finally has sunk to my level. Thanks, Wanna Marie!

Tell you what: we’ll parachute you into Ramadi, and you can face down the baddies just like Ambassador Wilson had to. Let us know how you do. Can’t wait to hear! Luv ya lots, buh-bye!

truly wolcottian.

fine work of that slag, jane.

Excellent. I was amused at how uncomfortable they both looked at being identified and invited in. York did settle down after a few minutes, but the fact that they really wanted to hang around outside to watch and sneer rather than be a part of things shows just how little they understood what this event was.

Cranky–second-guessing leads to paralysis and Bob Shrum. I think the goal here is a return to conviction.

Wankette’s a silly gossip. Has she ever written anything deeper than a baby pool?

“Wankette”, love it!

Okay, what’s Bukkake (and is it anything like bush[you should pardon the expression]kazi)?

And just for the snark of it, Are we sure it’s not , WANKETTE?

LOl,Missed it by THAT much.

Jane did not mention that at one of the panel discussions, it was announced (by ReddHedd) that Wankette had lost her reporter’s notebook containing notes for a story she was working on, and would anyone who found it please return it. My first thought was, how awful. My second thought was, how could any reporter let that happen? Jane’s post suggests one answer…

Like another commenter, I would appreciate someone identifying the people in the photo. Some of us didn’t make it to YearlyKos and haven’t seen the faces that attach to names. In general, I think, it’s a good idea when posting a photo of people to identify the people in the photo. Just a thought…

Remind me never to get on Jane’s bad side. :)

Oh God, now that is just much too funny for a Monday afternoon! (Shorter version: what the hell is wrong with these people?)

Oh and on the Sully thing? I’m sure you’re anxious to assume the new position, Ana Marie, but%u2026he’s just not into you.

Oh, I don’t know, Ana Marie seems to be obsessed with the butt fucking. Andrew seems to be obsessed with beagles.

What?

What did you think I was going to say?

You filthy bastards!!

Nice job Jane.

Ana Marie Cox was coughed out of the Gawker media machinery, who’s sole purpose is self-promotion. Is it any wonder she parlayed ass-fucking into weenie-eating? She’s been part of the cocktail party circuit since the get go. Her Wonkette efforts amounted to little more than Entertainment Tonight changed to be on the web instead of TV and covering politicians instead of celebrities.

Come to think of it, Wonkette epitomizes what’s wrong with the DC punditry. All they want to do is engage in gossip and go to the good parties. Vapid, sycophantic royal courtiers, the lot of them.

I never, ever want to get on Jane’s shitlist.

You go, girl!

God, I just read her column on Kos, against my better judgement–frickin’ A, she’s as insufferably smug as ever. Such an obvious case of a two-fisted idiot being intimidated by subject matter way, way, way over their heads.

Wankette is ana marie cox, the chick ogling the dude.

The other dude is Andrew Sullivan.

Who is the dude Wankette is ogling?

Leisureguy:

The photo is not from Yearlykos. It is a photo of Wankette with Andrew Sullivan and Instahack, taken elsewhere.

for those sheltered souls who want to ask but do not want zillions of cookies from porn sites: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkake

heh. I’ve loving this place!

Um, thank you, *ilson.

Oh my.

Blergh.

meeoooow………?

Too in-crowd for me.

Now it can be revealed: Anna Marie Wankette’s lost notebook tells all –

Byron York looks hot; I wonder what he’s doing later?

Who are these people? I don’t recognize anyone!

Where is the buffet table? You mean we have to PAY for food!?!?!

Joe Wilson? Larry Johnson? LOSERS!!! Where is Tom Friedman and David Broder? Not here? And what is with this D-Kaus Y-Kaus stuff? Where is Mickey Kaus? And why are we in Las Vegas!?!?!? Losers . . .

(to be continued)

Bustednuckles at 13: That’s my congressman, sigh. He’s actually really good on a lot of issues (he’s a charter member of the Out of Iraq Caucus, hosted Murtha speaking in his district while he was getting swiftboated, he spoke on one of the shout shows about Schaivo and acquitted himself well, etc.) But he does have a tendency to periodically shoot off his mouth and get himself in trouble.

That said, the Sun Gazette, assuming it’s the successor paper to the Northern Virginia Sun, is the most (only?) conservative local paper, and I wouldn’t put it past them to make him look as bad as possible. (It rings a little false to me; I’ve never heard him use profanity at a public event, for example.) It’d be interesting to know the actual context. Unfortunately, no one else is likely to have taken notes, so if I find someone who was there after this many days, they probably won’t remember any better.

Somewhat OT -
From a longtime lurker and occasional poster I just wanted to say what a kick it was to watch Jane and Christy on the Plame panel on CSPAN. I was so excited and happy to see it I watched it again on the CSPAN archives! I want to say a hugh thanks to Jane, Christy, Pach, TRex and all the moderators and commenters for providing a community to come to and feel a part of — and to feel that there is hope yet to turn our nation around.

Anne-Marie Cocks quote from her litte pissy article;
It doesn’t seem that vital to pay attention, but halfway through the act, a Yearly Kos volunteer stops by the conversational knot I’m in and shushes us. It’s the first sign of militancy and while they may not be reaching for the bayonets, the audience stomps and hoots when Moulitsas takes the stage.

Pretty much sums up her attitude I’d say.

Wankette had lost her reporter’s notebook containing notes for a story she was working on, and would anyone who found it please return it.

boy, there’s a collectible for the Smithsonian.

To think I was going to get my girlfriend a coupon for a facial at a salon…After Googling that word, I don’t think so.

-GSD

Don’t hold back!

Tell us how you really feel . . .

:)

Oh ck — that’s quite brilliant…where’s TRex…I smell a Late Nite….

Podcast Update

In a word… w00t!

http://teocawki.blogspot.com/2…..pdate.html

I think that a new generational baton has just been passed. We may now see contests for writing in the style of Wonkette replacing those in the style of Hemingway!

Wonderful snark, Jane. And welcome home!

And I see that all the smart kids decided to “blog” Wankette today: Meet The New Cokie, by Digby

Lotus at 11 – beautifully said. I think you’ve captured an essence that is perhaps unique to FDL – at least, that’s my take from what I see on other blogs.

There’s intelligence here, and fire, and compassion and truth and conviction – things that are in very short supply in a lot of places these days.

It is a place where gut feelings are tempered and shaped by intellect without losing any punch, which I believe is more effective than a no-holds-barred approach. I have no interest in being pulled down into the mud to wrestle with those who confuse mud-slinging with debate; that demeans me, and by extension, whatever it is I’m trying to say.

With respect to Margaret’s comments, what Jane said about Boxer – and what many echoed in the comments – was not mud-slinging. Boxer stuck her foot in her mouth, at a time, and in a place, where there is little tolerance for getting the facts wrong. Sending her a polite note on Crane’s stationery might be appropriate if Jane had noticed that Boxer’s bra strap was showing, but not for having misstated a central issue in a pivotal primary race.

I would encourage Margaret to continue to chime in; it takes a bit to get your “sea legs” here, but no one bites. For all the anger and frustration we feel, I think we’re pretty genial about it!

Brilliance, Jane, shear brilliance.

You sparkle even when delivering a coup de grace punch.

Huh? Hold on a sec! It’s starting to get a bit crowded under the bus. I agreed yesterday that Boxer should be spared that fate. But if we throw Wonkette under the bus, just who will tell us about all the really important news like

The Giant Penis In Des Moines, Iowa

(Wonkette exclusive! Must credit Wonkette!)

Maybe we need to take a deep breathe and think this over. Not everyone will fit under the bus.

I used to go to Wonkette, but only for the Butterstick posts.

lotus 11,

that is a truly beautiful statement of some very important aspects of FDL and its community; thanks!!!

Jane, I couldn’t agree with you more about W-ette. I was never taken in much by the W-ette phenominon, its content or the hype around it. I always seemed like a less caustic, less reichwingnut and web-based replication of the Ann Coulter phenominon (not even a real picture of her, just a slightly anime-influenced cartoon), which is NOT something to celebrate about today’s political commentariat.

…and now that she turned her site over to some overtly reichwingnut, well…

I’ve visited W-ette maybe 6 times in the last three years, and I probably visit at least 200 different political pages every day (yes mostly of the westward persuasion, but still).

Well done Jane.
Wankette climbed to fame as being one of the kool kids on the side, who went to all the parties but never got involved.

The fact is, she doesn’t understand what she witnessed this weekend. It wasn’t 1000 nerds chasing after celebrity heroes.

I got goosebumps watching the Plame Panel, not in an “OMG, celebrities that I have some claim to knowing can touch bigger celebrities” kind of way.

What struck me was when I watched Joe I got that core of steel bound with an ethical constraint. He’s the real deal. He doesn’t lose sight of the reason why outing his wife is important. Even if the MSM lost the plot long ago.

Despite all the crap flung on him by the flying monkeys of the Right, he still stands tall and proud and that’s what they can’t stand.

IIRC he used to be a Republican and Larry Johnson is a self proclaimed conservative. Both of them have put their country before party loyalty. One day, that will be an important point in the history books, when Wankette won’t even warrant a foot note.

Frankly, I am so glad you and many of the women there flew under the radar. You got more done and made more of a difference while the young bucks “ran interference”. When things change, the establishment sycophants won’t know what hit ‘em.

I can confirm that W’ette’s shorts (clamdiggers, really) were without merit.

What W’ette probably calls multi-tasking you and I would call either 1) being rude, by talking through Ambassador Wilson’s presentation or 2) not paying attention, by crackberrying through all the panels I saw her haunt.

But Jane did neglect to mention the beeline His Hairness made for the corner of our caucus occupied by Matt O. BYork then sat on the floor at Matt’s feet. To which I say, hmmmmm.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…..

I suggest the appellation “formerly popular blogger” precede “Ana Marie Cox” in all references. If there was ever an example of “I’ve got mine, shut the castle gate to keep out those dirty bloggers,” W’ette is it. Her transparent transition to the MSM (Time.com!!) is ludicrous.

oxide,Three Hail Mary’s and Two Our Father’s and all sins are forgiven.

degustibus #38,

Yes, it’s in-crowd. But it’s also important. Ana Marie Cox is the DC punditocracy’s pick to represent liberal bloggers, and she’s never been either of those things. The problem with her isn’t how vapid she is, it’s that she writes for Time under the pretense of being part of the liberal blogosphere. Whenever a blogger ethics panel is formed by the ethically-challenged corporate media they use her as the liberal representative. At which point she spends all of her time trying to sound witty by making insulting comments about people like Al Gore.

As Jane said, her presence lowers the discourse.

You don’t seem to understand: Ana has always gone for conservative guys. It was even weirder when I knew her in the early 90’s, since everything that came out of her mouth was man-hating pseudo-feminist crap that someone else had thought up for her. Why would she go on about the evils of conservative men, only to populate her crotch with them?

A friend of mine (who banged her only to find out that sex with Ana also involved being lectured by Ana, not worth it) summed her psyche up as follows: “complain about daddy, fuck daddy; complain about daddy, fuck daddy.”

That’s about it.

So I figure she’s still acting out the same issues, which makes her a perfect with with the DC political journalists.
.

We’re now four hours after the start of the Libby hearing, and still not a damn bit of news.

I kept thinking all weekend that Ana Marie looked like Kirsten Dunst’s mean older sister. Similar features, but twisted up into a perpetual almost-sneer.

Lotus,at#12,

I don’t think FDL is superficial. I come here because it’s mostly not superficial, as far as Christy’s Posts and some of Jane’s about Plame are concerned. But, at times the meanness and just plain nastiness of Jane’s posts, especially about other women, seem terribly off the beam we should be riding to victory over evil Repubs. (And thanks, for agreeing, that integrity is #1 concern.) Who the heck cares about Wonkette? Cox is totally irrelevant.

Cox…the new “C” word

Redshift says
June 12th, 2006 at 1:31 pm

I kept thinking all weekend that Ana Marie looked like Kirsten Dunst’s mean older sister. Similar features, but twisted up into a perpetual almost-sneer.

Well, you don’t have to ask yourself,What’s up HER butt? She already told the whole world.

Yowza, Jane! LOL

It is so rare. but when one of the BIg Two of FDL get snarky, it is such a treat. And I’ve been waiting all day to see if there would be a response to that Wankerama-ette.
How fun!

Wonkette, the Lieberman of the liberal blogosphere.

ooohhh, Jane vs. Wonkette. Kinda reminds me of Edward vs. Larry over at here…….smite that siwwy wabbit Wonkette…..

http://www.comics.com/comics/p…..60610.html

Man, this is getting inside-baseball. Took me a while to figure out who those other two were. So what the heck were they doing at YK, especially instapud?
More Fitz tea leaf reading, and less Lindsey Lohan style D-listed feuding, please.

Lotus at #11

Thanks so much for your post. You really captured this blog and community I think.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again.

Ana Maria is Joe Klein in a miniskirt.

With slightly less actual talent, but bigger boobs.

Bionic at 55

The fact is, she doesn’t understand what she witnessed this weekend. It wasn’t 1000 nerds chasing after celebrity heroes.

Summarizes my feeling while reading MoDo’s snarky column as well. She wasn’t engaged in the proceedings one whit. Absorbed nothing of where she was. She might as well not have been there – she just phoned in her usual.

bustedknuckles at 42: Wow. Shushing her because she’s decided “it doesn’t seem that vital to pay attention” and is being an asshole at a public event is just a short step from becoming a torch-bearing mob willing to take up bayonets to wherever Kos directs us. That’s some serious self-centered attitude.

(And of course, conservatives wearing t-shirts about hunting liberals and their pundits saying we should all be rounded up, that’s just humor. Righhhht, no need to worry about mobs with bayonets there.)

OT:

Just got back from Take Back America conference and saw Barbara O’Brian blogging away there…if you have any time go say hi over at http://www.mahablog.com/…they have her in a corner exhibit area with a touch and go wireless connection…

margaret

You’re right of course, Cox is totally irrelevant. While Cox is, at times , clueless, she seldom takes herself as seriously as Coulter or Malkin. I’ve certainly never taken Cox seriously, never seen her as an ‘expert’ on any subject you’d care to discuss with your mother.

What I’d really like to see… is Jane, Christy and Marcy simultaneously go after Coulter and Malkin. But I agree that there is more important work to be done…

YearlyKos on situation room (CNN) soon

Heh, Tbogg is on the same subject,coinkydink?

http://tbogg.blogspot.com/

Janes post is transcendental w/the snark factor.

very nice post, jane.

curious though — who hired Cox over at Time? Same person who hired Cooper?

any comment from our FDL legal experts on the aclu vs nsa case?

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/015071.html

I know there’s a lot of ykos debriefing yet to come, but this seems important, too

I really wish people would stop acting as if readers get any input about what our blogmistresses blog. If a topic doesn’t interest you, you’ll know immediately from the picture and the headline — and you’ve got a mouse that clicks, right? These continuing editorial “recommendations” are a pain in the ass (sorry if that’s a W’ette trademarked phrase).

More, please, Jane, of whatever you’re serving. And, “I’ll have what Jane’s having” is the best attitude, folks.

Or not.

I love you Jane.

Sorry – this “clusterfuck” on Wonkette is making me a little, ummmmm, queasy. A well-spoken, intelligent woman spokesperson/writer here, cattily referring to another woman as a “slag”? Please.

Plus mentions of “assuming a position” and “on her knees” … why do I feel like I’ve just walked into the girl’s washroom at a low-class roadhouse at the height of the evening. Cattiness does not become anyone.

FWIW, I watched the C-Span broadcast, the forum on the Plame affair was great – fabulous! Good work by all. Everyone came across as professional, determined and dedicated and in all, you gave me hope and inspiration. That’s pretty much what I want to remember and that’s why I’ll *always* read this blog.

Yet the discourse above leaves me cold. It’s so schoolyard, so unfunny — and worst of all very “un-Fitz-like”. Have at it of course — but this is one commentary thread I just stopped reading.

Troll who just went over the edge.

Just watched the report on CNN on Ykos. I missed the first part. Anyone have more.

Shorter Jeff Greenfield, the net has arrived as power but if the people don’t like message will it make a difference?

TeddySanFran 80

i love our blogmistresses and defer to their judgement on what to post.

does that mean they never want requests or links to important stories?

if no one here wants my input, i’ll just re-lurk and never resuface…

catfight anyone?

OT -> Anyone heard anything on today’s Libby status conference. I’ve been shackled, toiling in wage slavery and have heard nothing yet. Thanks!!

Plutonium Level Donors ($239/month) get to demand topics from the blogladies here. Anybody else can request politely after searching the site to see if it hasn’t already been covered. The key word is polite.

I have kind of a naive question. I’ve been reading blogs for years (kinda a professional lurker) but I’ve been reading THE Blogs ie Kos, Atrios, here, TBogg etc. Do people read the online blogs of the national press? Froomkin probably yes, but Time or Newsweek? And is there a site to find out readership?

Todd, try sitemeter. They might be able to tell you.

I learned everything I ever needed to know about Wankette the first (and only) time I visited her site and saw that hideous cutesy-wootsy cartoon version of herself staring blankly at me from the top of the page.

I see she still lives down to my lowest expectations.

lotus @ 1:05pm

Boxer’s foot-in-mouth enthusiastic support of Lieberman at YKos was the equivalent of announcing her support for a segregationist at an NAACP convention and then not understanding why the reporter even raised that question at that particular venue. The progressive blogosphere’s opposition to Lieberman goes to the heart of many of the issues that define us.

That act raises a lot of red flags and was very worthy of comment and discussion.

Earlier today I called Boxer’s office. I (very nicely) asked how could Boxer have done this at the convention. Did she not care? Or was this a failure of her staff to inform her? If she didn’t care, why did she bother to come and address us? If it was a breakdown of communications, is there something we could do to remedy that?

I might as well have been speaking to a brick wall. The staffer said she had taken this down and would pass it on. I asked about a response and was told I would have to get Boxer’s ear for that. I asked how I would do that and was told she didn’t know. End of conversation.

TeddySanFran

to clarify my comment, i don’t like to see complaints about what is posted either, so i agree with you to that extent.

i intended my suggestion about alternative topics to be more positive in nature.

sombrerofallout — You’re about 5 minutes away from being banned. You’re always implying some kind of secret knowledge of what goes on at Time Magazine and if you aren’t willing to make more than loaded insinuations you’re out of here. I’m not going to have that kind of bullshit game playing on this site.

Do we understand each other?

Wolf’s Sit Room just had a couple pieces on YKos. One of their cyber babes did the screen touch routine…mostly relying on old pics/websites. Clearly they shoulda been there. When your biggest point is that Warner spent $50M on the party, you are totally clueless.

Jeff Greenfield on the other hand gave an historical perspective of the power of people-driven movements, starting with the civil rights movement’s beginning in churches. A thoughtful piece, well reasoned. Too bad he hadn’t actually been at the event. He and YKos would likely both have benefited. And yes, he gets netroots…and old media.

Big thumbs up for Greenfield; big razzberry to the dimbulb cyberbabe’s report. Hopefully the Greenfield piece will be promptly posted on their website and rebroadcast in later Sit-segments.

My favorite title so far, and there have been many great ones at fdl.

Personally I love coarsened dialogue, so long as it leads to something more meaningful beyond just the scatalogical.

Anne Marie has IMHO always had the opposite effect — she reduces more meaningful things to just the scatalogical. Yawn.

mayan 87, no news has been posted online that I can find.

I hope I’m never, ever on Jane’s bad side! Damn, that was a serious, yet very snarky, smackdown.

Redshift 73 re bustedknuckles at 42 —

The sheer effrontery pretty much speaks for itself, doesn’t it? Not a bad symbol of the DC press corpse, either.

She goes to somebody else’s convention. Talks loudly enough during a session to be a distraction, attracting the attention of a volunteer “shusher.” Then has then nerve and/or utter lack of self-consciousness to write that her shushing was “the first sign of militancy.”

It’s [attempted] castration through derision. Through petty put-down, moot mockery; through off-point off-putting offal. Never through attention to substance.

Never let it be said her ‘observations’ were factual: [continuing] “. . . and while they may not be reaching for the bayonets, the audience stomps and hoots when Moulitsas takes the stage.” Mebbe so, but in the AirAmerica broadcast audience response came across as quite restrained.

JANE!! Welcome back.

Jane: I dream of snarking like you do. Welcome back!

Hey, sometimes half the fun is overdoing it. Here’s a hilarious take-down of Wankette from 2004:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh100604.shtml

What TSF said –

There are thousands of serious political blogs out there, that have ten comments per day among them.

It’s okay to be turned off by a blog post — and the appropriate response it to tune out and come back later.

Part of what makes FDL great is the incredible wit and snark — those are tough to find, and precious commodities. Both Jane and Christy have the gift. Lots of online humor often comes across as mean and vulgar, so we’uns like our delicious FDL snark.

EPU’d also

to lotus:

Margaret,

My name is mommybrain for a reason. I didn’t make myself as clear as I should have.

When I say take of the gloves and join the fight on their own turf, I don’t mean mudslinging or screechy name-calling (although I do have a fondness for snarky nicknames). What I mean is not sitting on our hands and taking whatever they dish anymore. It makes us seem weak.

I mean speaking up when they trash us and defending our positions LOUDLY AND PROUDLY and not letting them determine the direction of our conversations anymore. I realize I’m not one of the finer minds here and can’t always express myself with the eloquence of Mary or Rayne or Peterr, not to mention Jane or Christy, but I don’t mean we should bring the level of our discourse down to meet them.

We do need to start fighting back, not playing dead. And we’ll do it on our terms, not theirs.

I like FDL’s style, hence I follow along closely (when the non-FDL part of reality doesn’t interject itself, that is)

OMG!! The title! I’m in tears. That was too funny!

I need to vigorously disagree with mommybrain.

mommybrain is too one of the finer minds here.

This is the only convention anyone will attend where the point of the exercise is to meet each other. And we did so with so much joy. Attending the panels where our virtual voices were given a room and a podium is so much gravy. Dividing up into regions and states and swapping emails for Roots organizing was a tremendous bonus. There was a shortage of outlets to recharge laptops, so when we found an outlet in the hallway, we swiped chairs from neighboring rooms and formed another community – all communities need a source of energy! Also, a very big THANK YOU to the crews who set up the wifi infrastructure. i’m stuck at the airport – thanks, Pach, for mentioning the airport has wifi – with a late flight and missed connections. Am getting into Boston at 5:30 am Tues, going home to shower and then off to work! Well, the bubble had to burst sometime. At least its in a place with wifi.

new thread

Jane, you are simply the bitchinist bitch on the planet.

Pacifica at 1:53, please note that my 1:05 was quoting someone else on Boxer, not giving my own impression. (Sorry, my fault — I haven’t learned how to do block quotes yet.)

[Turning around to address the whole crowd]

This thread seems a bit tetchier than usual, eh y’all? We’re all in decompression from the weekend, even those who didn’t have to travel. Not a good time to take what Jane or anybody is saying as Grade-A 100%-pure Her, Him, or Me. But it IS a good time to allow all concerned a bit of extra space and time to come home to themselves. Yes?

Dang! EPU’d again — three in a row: my Personal Best.

oh, snap ~ or, gooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaal, rather.

nicely done. just peeked in for a minute, and of course,
can only imagine how much fun punaise is going to have
in this thread…

can anyone throw me a link to the column chisolm mentions (32)?

TIA.

Jane, i love it

this place is popular because it’s fun

if it was too much like obligatory chapel, who would come?

what’s ironic is that wonkette dotes on dogs

klevenstein 79:

Right now there are a couple of suits pending against the NSA (maybe more, but I think ACLU and Center for Constitutional Rights ?? are the two main ones). There are also pending suits against the telecoms (first filed by EFF and now several others IIRC).

NSA/Gov has intervened in the telecom suits and in those, plus the suits where it is directly a party, NSA/Gov is trying to get everything sealed and tossed under a “state secrets” theory. It has already been partially successful (appeals pending) on this tactic for the renditions suits brought by Arar and el-Masri.

In the ACLU/NSA suit, the oral argument today dealt with a Motion for SUmmary Judgment filed by the ACLU based on the uncontradicted public statements. NSA/Gov killed time with extensions on their reply to the MSJ while they were putting together their multi-lawsuit State Secrets assault and didn’t get around to actually filing a response to the MSJ. *g*

Oops.

The judge smacked them a bit for that and told them that even though they had not filed a response to the MSJ, she would let them show up for the oral argument (IOW, she was not treating their State Secrets Motion to Dismiss as a response to the MSJ).

NSA/Gov’s Motion to Dismiss for state secrets has been set for argument later (july?) and I don’t think ACLU has filed a response yet to the written Motion to Dismiss from NSA.

IMO, as much as she smacked them, the Judge is not likely to rule on the MSJ separate from the Motion to Dismiss. We’ll see – but I think she’ll give a consolidated response.

I believe that she sits in the same district as did Judge Keith when he made his decision that told Mitchell that Mitchell and Nixon were not above the law and citizens are protected by the Fourth Amendment, even when it is inconvenient for Gov, and Gov could take their “you must supress info re: the surveillance for national security reasons” mantra and sell it on ebay to the Chinese.

That last part I may be misremembering some. ;-)

TeddySanFran

I understand your point and I don’t think you are wrong. But I’m kinda reminded of a couple of bands I’ve known. I call them the “We’re Too Good To Play Mustang Sally” bands. The bands wants bar and club jobs but insist that they know much better than they customers what the customers should be listening to. They simply don’t do requests.

As a result, they pout when other bands — ones who will play Mustang Sally for appreciative audiences — get the better club jobs. You see, musicians want to believe it’s all about music and musicianship. Nothing could be farther from the truth. When you’re playing in a bar or club, the one and only thing that determines whether you are a good band or a bad band is what the owner’s cash register says at the end of the night. Sucessful show bands all understand this. You absolutely positively have to engage your audience and that involves listening just as much as playing.

Of course Christy and Jane determine the content of FDL. And you’re quite correct in suggesting that if we don’t like what’s here we can always move along. But Jane and Christy cannot ignore the fact that FDL is sucessful, if I can use that term, in part because it is a conversation and community, not a broadcast and an audience.

I’ve made a few suggestions from time to time. I try not to harp on any one issue too much and I always understand that Jane and Christy are under no obligation to act on any of my suggestions.

Well, now, we have a bunch of folks who love the nastiness, and we have a small bunch who like some intelligent analysis, sans vituperation. And, we have a few who suggest if you don’t like what you read, go……..somewhere else. And, a really physically lovely, intelligent woman with a gift for language, i.e., Jane, abuses her gifts with really the kind of words, I’m afraid I have never encountered, not even on bathroom walls while in college. I don’t even know what they mean.

The problem with these dark words is that they stay in the head, and change one’s internal grace as a human being. I simply don’t want certain images in my head, be it bathroom graffiti, or, to carry it further, detailed descriptions of beheadings by Middle East terrorists, or stories about rape victims, or accident victims, or any other victims of horrendous action. Words have great power, and we should be careful how we use them. They can incite the unhealthy to assassinations and other kinds of violence. On the FDL level, it doesn’t amount to anything with any depth. It’s only word-slinging back and forth to give the Poster and the bloggers who share the Poster’s low-mindedness strokes. Weird, to me. And, a form of word-rape.

It’s responsible to be inventive and creative with language; it’s dangerous to sling language around, carelessly, insensitive to whom it may hurt or offend. Ah, for the days of Addison and Steele.

Margaret 116 — “Ah for the days of Addison and Steele.”

You’re a smug, self-righteous bitch. How about those words?

OK, finally someone with a great positive suggestion:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0612.html

Next, it’s after 5pm ET Do we know where our Libby news is?

Margaret 116 %u2014 “Ah for the days of Addison and Steele.”

You’re a smug, self-righteous bitch. How about those words?

Thank you Jane….it needed to be said.

TEddySF, thank you, dear, for sticking up for me *g*. No way do I have the chops, though.

klevenstien

I read the link. Until the transcripts are hosted somewhere (and the briefs) I don’t think it is possible to give a meaningful analysis.

The ACLU position seems obvious and correct, but I don’t know the little fiffly details of each argument. I think the choice of plaintiff’s was brilliant.

The biggest problem to date has been how can you have standing to oppose the law against spying on you, if you don’t know you are being spied on?

By using enitites that rely, as a metter of law, on the sanctity of the privacy of their communications in order to perform their statutory and sometimes constitutional functions (think attorney/client privledge), they may have overcome the lack of standing to sue problem.

That’s the best I got on the very limited info I am aquainted with.

Please don’t relurk.

I liked the comment at YearlyKos that what any blog is about is a conversation. No more and no less.

What Jane and Christy and the commentators and posters here do is start conversations based on something they react to in the news or their lives and they share those observations with members of a self-selected, but inclusive community of like-minded people. The fact that politics are involved does NOT mean that discussions will not begin, wander into or end someplace else. Quite the contrary, blogging CONNECTS people in their daily lives to politics in a real and personal way that politicians and the media often fail.

So, we respond to and with authenticity, and no place more authentic than fdl, imho. Some conversations start out with consideration of world events or other Page One headlines, but others are prompted from a reaction to an item on the entertainment or comic pages, or just from an experience in one’s life, with one’s three-year old, one’s dogs or one’s partner.

It’s why I don’t understand the picture painted of bloggers as groundhogs or moles who couldn’t possibly leave their laptops to interact with others. The comments I read here about YearlyKos were universally how much people are looking to connect with one another; how much we would have all enjoyed being there to add body language and facial expressions to the limited medium of the internet.

We’re not Trappist wannabees, dreading the day we have to actually meet another human being. We LIKE conversations both within and without firedoglake.

Some of us use humor to enter the conversation; others use particular insight or expertise. And sometimes, as in this post, you just want to tear into someone who rubs you the wrong way to an audience who you care for and trust. I love the way Jane puts it out there in a pointed and funny way, signs her name and accepts the comments back. If she ever stopped, I don’t think I would enjoy fdl as much, but I’d accept it as where she was in her life. And I’d be grateful for all the other smart, funny, passionate people she has introduced me to for further conversations.

Lotus Honey,
I loved what you had to say about our community here.

I don’t know why everyone is so testy and short tempered. I thought Jane’s snark was as witty as ever, don’t know why she wasted it on such an unimportant subject.

Jane has gift direct from Mount Olympus and where she directs the light of her snark, she elevates the target out of obscurity and gives it a moment of glorious absurdity.

Is Wonkette worthy of such attentions? Perhaps Jane was just being generous.

Perhaps we are all still tired and overstimulated from the weekend’s demands.

I never considered her a progressive or an analyst or even a deep thinker. I remember her as an “Inside the Beltway Enquirer” — a fun read but little substance. I watched you guys from home but my impression was that there was too much content for the Wonkette I remember.

Pontificator: many thanks for the IDs. Yes, I saw from the photo credit that it wasn’t taken at YK. What I meant that, had I gone to YK, I might have recognized the faces–but then I guess Glenn Reynolds would not have been there. :) Or Sullivan, for that matter. At any rate, nice to know who the people are. Thank you.

Reading things in the post and comments about Ana Marie Cox, I wonder whether she might have a problem with alcohol. Maybe the references to drinking are not a persona, but rather reportage. Especially if she starts drinking in the morning and then continues…

Margaret 119 — You can call me “hateful” and “angry” and that’s okay. I guess you’re the only one who gets to choose the invectives? You’re a self-absorbed, condescending scold who wants to dictate the level of discourse and wag your finger everyone who doesn’t meet your high standards. Regardless of the topic of the thread, you’re going to drag it into whatever bullshit seems to be under your skin at that particular moment. You have no respect for the blog, the comment system, or your fellow commenters. You want to lecture me? You’re a complete, utter sanctimonious bitch. You obviously know what it means, so I’ll leave it at that.

Please — for those of us who are new, or don’t know — name the people in your photos. Is that Wonkette in the pic? And who are the other two?

Oh and Margaret, consider this a warning. If you want to continue this topic of conversation, you can do it here in THIS THREAD but if you try to drag it into a new one and derail yet ANOTHER conversation in the rude, selfish and uncivilized way that is your wont, you’re out of here.

Do you understand that, or shall I get you a dictionary?

Shell –

Andrew Sullivan, Wonkette, and Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds. IIRC, the picture is from a bloggers event a couple of years ago.

HarHar, Peterr, I read that as Instastupid!

Jane,

You are simply a superb and gifted writer I thank my lucky stars for finding this site. I recently moved to Oregon from California and am still learning about Oregon politics and I am still slowly stumbling around finding Oregon weblogs, if you have any that you recommend I would appreciate it.
Being new here I have been driving everywhere to see where I would eventually like to settle. last week we went out to the coast and yes, passed through Otter Rock great place and quite the surf city. I must tell you though I tried to buy the Cape Foulweather gift shop but the state wouldn’t budge what a shame great site for a house. Needless, to say driving through Lake Oswego on the way there we passed through “Wankers Corner” OMG I thought, who could live there, unfortunately too many people.
Regards

Peterr –

Thanks. I guess I had forgotten Andrew was so fat. Now I recognize him — after you told me. LOL

Margaret

Long for the Days of Addison and Steele???

And you are giving Jane a hard time??

At least Jane is witty. Further, she has the ability to coin new language that resonates. It’s almost like Haikku. WHen she deconstructs and reassemles word(s) she manages to convey depths of meaning, easily memorable, in a very few syllables.

This is a heavenly gift!

Thanks for the run-down on NSA, Mary and LHP

the kind of words, I’m afraid I have never encountered, not even on bathroom walls while in college. I don’t even know what they mean.

Ignorance is nothing to be proud of. You contribute nothing.
.

Margaret

What GrandMOff Texen said at 137

I second that, cubed!

margerat @ 119 – What a frame of reference? Are you saying that it is only allowed for a man to call a women a bitch? Guess you never watched much sex in the city.

“Or better yet, how about one from one of TBogg’s commenters? You know, those things that Wankette never had.”

Come on Jane, this is a long shot from your best stuff. Compare tbogg and wonkette as far as who gets read (which matters a lot more than who has comments). Wonkette blows Tbogg out of the water. In fact she does it five times over if technorati is any indication.

Why are you taking potshots at Cox anyway? It’s like getting pissed at a SOuth Park episode. Uh, hello? The whole point is irreverent comedy. If you don’t think it’s funny, that’s fine but don’t get all huffy as if it were serious.

Ok Margaret, that was just damn funny. I mean talk about wearing a stereotype…oh my that was too funny. I couldn’t play a part like that for anything! I mean, doesn’t it hurt? To go that deep into a character? Well, it’s amazing in my book.

Do you take requests? I’m in the mood for a gruff Jewish-Italian woman who hates eskimos.

hahahaha Margaret actually said “the B word.” She is either 13 years old OR a 1955 mother who won’t dare use that word. I suspect the latter.

Guess she doesn’t realize how out of touch she is.

Fuzzhead: do you have a link to the CSPAN archive of the Plame panel? I tried their search engine, but kept coming up blank. Thanks.

I simply don’t want certain images in my head, be it bathroom graffiti, or, to carry it further, detailed descriptions of beheadings by Middle East terrorists, or stories about rape victims, or accident victims, or any other victims of horrendous action.

Why should we hear about body bags and deaths,” Barbara Bush said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on March 18, 2003. “Oh, I mean, it’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?”

I’m just impressed at Margaret’s lack of typos — her nose is so high in the air as she types, how does she see the monitor to proofread her comments?

Perhaps she has it suspended from the ceiling.

I think I’m missing something. Jane refers to “TBogg’s commenters–those things that Wankette never had”. I just went to TBogg’s blog, and he doesn’t allow comments, so he also doesn’t have commenters. Could someone explain to someone who’s slow (i.e., me)? Thanks.

Liesure Guy-
Click on the time stamp and that’ll take you to the comments.

Well, look at that! Thanks, Cathy. I used to have a blogspot blog (before I moved to WordPress) but I’d not seen that mechanism. Appreciate the pointer.

looks like I missed all the fun.
shorter Jane: “I’m just slayin’”

Jane, I love you. You’re the reason I keep going on-line to firedoglake. you’re right there. who ever said there’s no there, there, hadn’t met you.

Tbogg does allow comments, but it’s cryptic. You have to click on the permalink.

Margaret is a scold. There is nothing in Jane’s post here that should send anyone familiar with blogs retiring onto the fainting couch. I smell Concerned Troll.

Ana Marie Cox is a hypocritical social climber who will get her comeuppance sooner rather than later. In the meantime, we can look forward to her Caitlin Flannagan-like disappointment in how she’s being treated by the lefty blogosophere she used to consider her home.

I can see her retreating to the comforting, nonthreatening embrace of Sully, Instapundit, et al., crying about the meanies whose jealous comments made her feel sad%u2014at least until she swallowed that last Valium with a shot of Bombay Saphire. Happily, she feels much better now, and is ready to rock again.

margaret @ 116:

‘Words have great power, and we should be careful how we use them. They can incite the unhealthy to assassinations and other kinds of violence.’

‘Sticks and stones…’. The ‘unhealthy’ would be inclined to violence even if a loved one were whispering sweet nothings in their ear…And what is this ‘word-rape’ jargon? One cannot rape with words.

Jane you have to be one of the great headline writers. I didn’t know York was an anal sex aficionado like the other two.

Well done.

Ana Marie Cox is a clinical narcissist
(www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html), as her own husband was telling anyone at “New York” magazine who would listen. She’s always going to be upset, then, anytime the attention is diverted from her. Take it as badge of success…

I’m afraid I missed why the Wonkette deserves this.

I liked the comments at 11 and 123.

The comments at 117, 128, 144 and 145 don’t seem to fit the mold.

Too bad for me.

In defense of Wankette, I will note that her example reminds us of one important ideal: it is better to light a single candle, and then insert it into your own rectum, than it is to curse the darkness.

My comment at tbogg:

She passed up the opportunity to talk with BOTH WAAS AND FROOMKIN?

Instant dustbin of history.

Re drinking: hell I’ve been drinking heavily ever since the American Coup d’etat of 2000.

The new Joe Klein!!

lmao egregious. I’ll drink to that

a lot of the commentators do seem too wrapped up in their scene to deal with the little people (the people the event was actually about).

God you’re annoying, Margaret 116. Lighten up. (There, was that polite enough?)

Jane is a great writer. Smart and witty.

Remember your high school lit class when you discovered Shakespeare and Chaucer used the occasional bawdy or earthy line? Or did you get offended over that too?

You’re such a genius of rhetoric Margaret, go start your own blog and see how far you get.

I think Digby nails it. Margaret is Barbara Bush.

Jane, you are intelligent and beautiful as I think it was Margaret pointed out and you are brilliant as someone else pointed out. I love the way you make up words and names. Your names for the Preznit were what first lured me here. And you are an undaunted champion of women!! You really get it and can explain it and I love that about you!

This is where my browser opens up every day. I’d say this is my favorite site ever in all these years of internet use. Christy and Pac and some of the others, too, just speak my kind of language.

So I’m part of the choir here, you could say, but I have to tell you darlin’, in the most heartfelt way, the whole “knees” theme you could lose.

mommybrain — late to the party, I see, once again, but I bring much overdue thanks and [[[]]] with me, from another mommybrain. You rock!

[Speaking as a mom: it’s only Day 1 and already I dread Day 2 of Summer Vacation…]

BTW: Jane, when I grow up, I want a big set of los ovarios like yours, babe. Wankette constantly asks for a spanking when she really needs to be firmly booted right out of mainstream media and back into some hole-in-the-wall. She gives women a bad name. Hell, she gives bitchery a bad name.

Since Wankette was looking a bit puffy (especially around the eyes) the entire time she was there I can only imagine she made good on her threat (”I’m going to begin drinking now”).

Not that she needs Joe Wilson for an excuse.

Not when —

* the future of your new employer is bukkaking on your frail shoulders;

* your new book is pukkaking at #176,000 while your last near last at #985,000;

* matronly replaces
ingtonienne.htm”>wantonly in forseeable celebrations of scoopakking;

More rule, less exception: puffy, stuffy, wet bar binging Wankettes leaving or arriving in Las Vegas.

Well, you got me. I had to look Bukkake up. So did her notebook get Bukkakeyed?

Jane,
I thought her tacky stilts for heals were a particularly nice touch! I kept expecting her to hit the carpet face first! BUKKAKA!!!!

Thank you girls, for all the fun at YKos.

Broken link: Wanton, wanking, wanderlust.

Until we lost the 04 election — and I really thought we were going to win — I enjoyed Wonkette (or, at least, AMC’s posts there).

Day after our loss, my enjoyment dropped and I’ve rarely followed her since. Has she changed or have I?

She is a smart girl, and can be very funny and sharp. She’s just not as clever as she thinks she is and seems to be having a bit of a mid-career crisis. If she ever gets herself together (and not just gigs that pay the rent and feed her ego) she could go on to write something very special.

PS – All the potty talk must really confuse those who aren’t familiar with Wonkette!

Oh lawsy … Wolcott has been surfing this afternoon … and has called out on his blog the whole “exchange” between the lovely but pissant Margaret and the intrepid Jane. Oh lawsy. This is gooooooood.

I’m gonna hope everyone gets a good night’s sleep and starts afresh tomorrow.

If things were said today that rankled, I’m hoping everyone will please vow to excuse them and declare tomorrow a fresh day.

It’s been a highly-charged, exhausting weekend for everyone, especially those who took the time and effort to make such a fine showing in Vegas.

For our various reasons, we are all often stretched pretty thin emotionally.
Maybe that’s because we all care very much about what we’re involved in here and, for some time now, have been terribly worried about the future of our families, our communities, the country, the world at large.

This blog-family is very special. It brings together an incredible spirit and drive, not to mention a truly awesome and diverse reservoir of talent and – delightfully infectious “snark”.

Bravo everyone. Have a peaceful night. ;->

Hey there.

Sadly, my first comment since coming home from Yearlykos, but I’ve sworn that I’ll blog about it tonight when I get home from work.

Anyway… it was strange and kind of sad seeing Wankette at the FDL caucus and later all around the convention.

First two days, I kept seeing the Wankette –wandering around the floor with a blank expression, and doing the same at Mark Warner’s party. She looked generally bewildered, and keeping to herself. Not once did I see her chatting with any non-DC-type. She was quite intent pecking at her cell phone or blackberry or whatever it was.

The punchline on one of her posts today was, “‘Cause, ew.”

Not hot. Not funny.

Jane, you are a good writer, and you fight the good fight. But it should be beneath you to get the knives out for Margaret or any other reader who hopes for a little civility in our discourse. And please, commenters, spare me the obvious comparisons to the incivility of the right and the incivility of war. Our side is supposed to be better than that — much better. Piling on, making fun of how people look, calling someone “sandpaper snatch” — that’s the work of a bully — too often a misogynist bully. After you savage my comment, grow up.

pre-emptive scolding!

I watched the Plame panel on http://fora.tv/ (it took a couple of days to get the last 20 minutes. It kept hanging on “Don’t leave a defendant hanging”. I assumed it was some kind of blog irony.
Anyhow, I wanted to say that you guys are more impressive in person than in writing which I mean as a complement because I think the writing will stand out as historical. In fact what I wanted to say was that as (I think) Murray said, no reporter is covering this story. I realized that if it were not for the people on the panel, this story would not have gotten out.
I was trying to think about what role you will play in the histories that will be written of this extraordinary time in America, and I think you will be somewhere between Patrick Henry and the Committees of Correspondence.

Thank you on behalf of a grateful nation.

I also wanted to thank you for introducing me to a new meaning of Bukkake which until now, I always thought of as a way of preparing noodles. Bukkake soba – Cold soba served with various toppings sprinkled on top, after which the broth is poured on by the diner. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soba) The toppings with which I was familiar were more mundane.

Of course it reminded me of the old question of how you get an elephant off the ceiling.

If George Will is right, and the human rectum absorbs, why does nothing seem to soak into Cox? Lord knows she’s had plenty up there.

Ah, for the days of Ativan and a feel.

Um…will she still be writing about intern anal sex? That’d be interesting. Her take an politics…not so much.

Are you listening Time?

Slow news day or something?

You know, the “days of Addison and Steele” are remembered, on those rare occasions when they are, as the days of that much, much greater writer, Jonathan Swift. Who would, I’m certain, have understood exactly what Jane was doing in her post, and approved.

Once we explained “bukkake” to him, anyway.

Self-loathing is not a pretty thing to see. And now we have a photo full of self-loathers.

I never paid much attention to Wankette’s old place, mostly because it wasn’t very interesting and was badly designed/hard to read.

But I first saw her in person a few weeks ago when she wandered over to the sidewalk party in Cambridge, MA that served as the last stop on Jerome and Markos’ book tour.

There, she showed the same conflicting mix of overly self-conscious small girl reticence on the one hand, and the kind of brazen “look at me” provocation that was associated with her writing (if by ‘writing’ we mean…well, you know) that was on display in Vegas – and now even more widely as a result of this.

I like to think that I understand human nature a little bit, anyway, and can at least observe and assess the more visible aspects of our nonverbal cues and behaviors that say loads about each of us.

And Cox’s aren’t pretty.

Maybe it’s time to take heed of Michael Shaw’s timely post at BagNewsNotes

He’s writing about Ann Cooter, but may just as well be saying of Wankette –

“I don’t think we should give credence to what she says. I think we should do Ann a favor and ignore her — and hope she gets some help.”

Besides, her 15 minutes is up.

Now that so many gay people feel safe enough to come out of the closet, we can now look back to the days of Addison and Steele as a quaint, but dark, period in US history.

Er, or are we talking about that old detective show with Stephanie Zimbalist and Pierce Brosnan?

Never mind.

170: “She is a smart girl, and can be very funny and sharp. She’s just not as clever as she thinks she is and seems to be having a bit of a mid-career crisis. If she ever gets herself together (and not just gigs that pay the rent and feed her ego) she could go on to write something very special.”

Uh, NO. Not in a million years.

There is something going on and it’s the equalizing power of the net. Its making magazine columnists and traditional journalists obsolete and people like Cox are obviously painfully aware of it, and threatened by it. There is a huge deal of denial going on too, some people are conscious of what is going on and some sense it but don’t really get it yet (i.e. Barbra Boxer). It not just political writers, its in ANY topic, any industry, hobby, or . The lines are being torn down in all sorts of industries. The “establishment” in any area is being called to task, it isn’t just in politics. In the old days magazine or newspaper columnists could dictate discourse, control the discussion, offer their opinion (the final say as they saw it) and… save a few letters to the editor… move on to the next topic and offer a “final say on that too. Those days are over, people are called on their shit within minutes now. The “cool club” is being crashed, the gig is up and until the net is neutered “the people” will continue to reclaim what has been lost in the era of corporate media… a voice.

I love me a well lobbed Jane Hamsher estrogen bomb! (That’s what I call it, no offense meant!) She, and others are crashing the godamn gate and these “established” media types know it or sense it, and are worried, their days are numbered. They know it, they got lazy, and now, faced w/ intelligent unwavering opposition, are caught off guard and more importantly, just not intelligent enough to deal to give legitimate rebuttals in facts. In most cases they got to the top in kissup manner and not for what is inside their concrete craniums. Payback is a bitch!

There is something going on and it’s the equalizing power of the net. Its making magazine columnists and traditional journalists obsolete and people like Cox are obviously painfully aware of it, and threatened by it. There is a huge deal of denial going on too, some people are conscious of what is going on and some sense it but don’t really get it yet (i.e. Barbra Boxer). It not just political writers, its in ANY topic, any industry, hobby, or . The lines are being torn down in all sorts of industries. The “establishment” in any area is being called to task, it isn’t just in politics. In the old days magazine or newspaper columnists could dictate discourse, control the discussion, offer their opinion (the final say as they saw it) and… save a few letters to the editor… move on to the next topic and offer a “final say on that too. Those days are over, people are called on their shit within minutes now. The “cool club” is being crashed, the gig is up and until the net is neutered “the people” will continue to reclaim what has been lost in the era of corporate media… a voice.

I love me a well lobbed Jane Hamsher estrogen bomb! (That’s what I call it, no offense meant!) She, and others are crashing the godamn gate and these “established” media types know it or sense it, and are worried, their days are numbered. They know it, they got lazy, and now, faced w/ intelligent unwavering opposition, are caught off guard and more importantly, just not intelligent enough to deal to give legitimate rebuttals in facts. In most cases they got to the top in kissup manner and not for what is inside their concrete craniums. Payback is a bitch!

I can’t blame Jane for taking down Margaret a few pegs (unintended pun). It was as ugly as it was delicious. I would have done the same if Margaret had lectured me too. But it’s pretty ugly when the rest of the crowd piles on. Jane’s a big girl and can take care of herself. If Margaret is not a troll, then I think a personal remark from the mistress of the blog ought to be more than enough of a smack down. If she is a troll (I’m thinking maybe she was the Anchoress), the pile-on is just encouraging her. Before this comments area gets the clique-ish jr high school ambiance of Atrois’s blog, can we call a moratorium on the pile-ons and self-congratulatory praise that verges on mega-dittos. It may be appropriate for the subject at hand (Miss Cox), but as Jane has said, keep it up and I for one am out of here.

Finally, the world (i.e., FDL) has exposed this vapid hoaxstress. I have never been able to figure it out. Her writing isn’t even remotely insightful, nor is it funny. Moreover, it has about the same amount of political content in it as a saturday night live skit. Less, in fact.

It’s as if a faulty computer program processes the political content of her posts, which she then rewrites to try to make funny. Strained humor that always misses the content mark.

She doesn’t get it. Nor has she ever gotten it. Perhaps that’s why she was allowed to get famous – because she is an apolitical (no… pseudo political) smart alecky typist without substance. The perfect scheme for getting serious people to dismiss the blogosphere.

But she’s cute and “cynical” and likes to talk about getting drunk a lot. Amazing how far that will get you in life.

Fitz!

I don’t get it.

Who the hell is Addison?

Jane Hamsher fucking rules. Fearless.

Bukkake!

AND the takdown of Margaret.

It is important not to be afraid of words. Words are tools. I cannot stand people who purse up their prissy sphincters at mere words. Thank you, Jane, for having the proverbial balls to not give a shit about the priss-mongers.

Hayduke I think you called it:

“There is something going on and it’s the equalizing power of the net. Its making magazine columnists and traditional journalists obsolete and people like Cox are obviously painfully aware of it, and threatened by it. There is a huge deal of denial going on too, some people are conscious of what is going on and some sense it but don’t really get it yet (i.e. Barbra Boxer). It not just political writers, its in ANY topic, any industry, hobby,”

Dead on.

Yeah that’s pretty much it but damn, I have some typos in there! Sorry about the double post too.

An example of a non political sort can be found w/ Music Critics. As a kid I bought tons of records based on a reviews in a magazine only to get burned, “this record blows by ANY standard wtf was this person thinking??” The answer was always one of two things, either A. they are morons or B. taking PAYOLA. Now, you can call a bad review out…. It’s the same with politics really. Oh really Matt Cooper?? You treasons SOB you can’t fool me with that crap again (didn’t the first time actually), not without some FEEDBACK at least hackboy, here where you are wrong examples A. B. and C and in real time sucka! Take your hack ass somewhere else, we ain’t buying it anymore!

People are tired of being spoon fed garbage and being told it’s a five star meal. There is a generational changing of the guard going on, only this time its not so much tied to age as it is to ones ability to think for ones self. In that sense its going to be a better and more lasting change than what happened in the 60’s b/c it won’t be ruined by the trendies, you won’t be able to just by your tie dye and fit it, you will have to be able to actually understand what is going on. Most people will not understand what is going on, its not going to be some out in the streets paradigm shift, its going to be subtle and abstract to the majority (blogs? That the hell are these blogs I keep hearing about??), and that is fine, we don’t need them we need that 5% in order to win elections and we will get it!

–Music critics must hate blogs and the net more than anyone! Maybe even faith based right wing chicken hawk LEPERS !!!! Maybe…

Jeesus fuck!

That was… exceptionally harsh. Yeah, Wolcott does it too… but he doesn’t have comments on his site where I can say, “Jesus, fuck! That was exceptionally harsh.” Whereas I find Wolcott’s targets to be worthy– Sully, MoDo, Friedman, and especially the clowns over at NRO– I don’t understand why so nasty to AMC? She’s an entertainment “reporter”, basically. Her purpose is not to inform, but to titillate. Her whole site is a giant giggle, and I don’t think she pretends it is anything more than that.

Plus, I’m sorry, I think AMC is cute. And I love that she’s so obviously horny… look at her almost visibly drooling over Mr. Cute Wonky Politico Boy in Suit in the picture you include above. Ain’t nothing wrong with that, and I find her sexual honesty to be refreshing and charming, especially amongst the deeply repressed D.C. crowd.

You know that outfit she’s wearing. Let me put it this way, if I or many of the women I know showed up at anything remotely related to work where colleagues were present, we would instantly be reminded that our blouse was (1) too low cut and (2) way to buttoned down, in the not so subtle ways the male colleagues have. It’s bad enough when you’re in the work context and someone is not looking at your face, but from the neck down . . . O.K. I’ll stop.

Jane, you’re wonderful when you stick to the facts and the mangling thereof by the media and by the employees of the right-wing elites.

Please don’t descend to this kind of hateful, spiteful, and ultimately silly trashing. It does no one any good.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

yes, we need every tool possible when up against the hypocrisy and lies we face in this country, but swiftian satire is an art that needs to be directed with precision. using it randomly just to keep in practice becomes ego-driven folly. margaret makes me smile, the delicate thing wandering into this carnival brawl of genius wit. the reaction to margaret, well…..i have been visiting this site less and less because the level of self-congratulatory ’snark’ has reached a toxic level.

My criticism of this post seems to have disappeared. Why might that be?

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

Sorry, it just appeared.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

That was ugly.
Don’t run us through the rose bush again.

Oh the times, they are a changin’…

I value my garden more for being full of blackbirds than of cherries, and very frankly give them fruit for their songs.
JOSEPH ADDISON, The Spectator

To behold her is an immediate check to loose behavior; to love her is a liberal education.
SIR RICHARD STEELE

EPU’d but had to chime in !

Welcome home Jane, har har har. Pure brilliance, thank you. Missed your inimitable snark for a few days. Thank you for your efforts at Ykos.

And I have to think that Margaret is a joke. She can’t possibly be that steppfordy for real. What rock has she been living under, poor dear.

And Margaret if you are lurking here still, lose the saran wrap that you’re encased in – breathe – and get a little messy. There are wicked smart, funny, compassionate people here. Even the “meanness” has a good natured side. In two words – lighten up.

(198) Or maybe we should ignore all the “in-crowd” put downs that echo the establishment– that crowd of cool kids plus the incumbent club– so they can relentlessly look down at us–the “not cool kids” and the unwashed masses.
Besides I really hate anything that rings of it-boy, Drudge. I think DC humour must always be a chuckle and a half or maybe just a half of a chuckle and a smirk. How about rendering it to a eunuch’s twitter (sinocentric joke.)

Diamond Jim 181: You, sir, nailed it. So to speak.

As for Margaret at 116 and anyone else pretending to be concerned about “civility”: I’ll start worrying about civility after I get my freaking country back, thanks very much.

I like FDL a lot, but IMHO, Senator Boxer is a true progressive, her support for Lieberman notwithstanding, and she deserves better than to be insulted by other progressives. Criticize her position, but don’t call her an idiot. FWIW.

ccmask 202, I think you give margaret 116 too much credit for erudition. I suspect she was talking about David Addison and Remington Steele.

I saw Wankette and her shorts too. Her teeth are nicotine yellow

Walter Crockett (#174), Jane was clear about her anger toward Margaret for derailing threads and for her obnoxious habit of hiding hostility behind “civil” language. Margaret’s scolding is over the top, and Jane has no obligation to put up with it. You want to be the discourse police? Get your own beat.

Why are people trying so hard to censor J.H. and to clean up her filthy mouth?

If she had nothing to say it would be a different story (just another AMC). Likewise, if she didn’t say it well. But she most certainly does have something to say. And she says it better than anyone else (short, maybe, of the majestic Matt Taibbi). You (you know who you are) act as if she is just some kind of literary pornographer.

Her writing is superior precisely because of its vulgarity, precisely because of its heavenly admixture of foul mindedness, razor sharp insight, and rollicking musicality. I haven’t laughed so hard since I read Lolita. But I suppose that’s a book that our hostess’ detractors would have shunned as well.

Let her express herself the way she wants to. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. It’s not that complicated.

Crockett, what are you talking about?

Piling on, making fun of how people look, calling someone “sandpaper snatch” %u2014 that’s the work of a bully %u2014 too often a misogynist bully. After you savage my comment, grow up.

Ridiculing those in power (that’s where “sandpaper snatch” came from) is the “work of a bully?” I don’t think you know much about bullies there, guyo.

As for “civility,” meh. We should be aiming for teh funny, not teh civility. When was the last time civility won anything? Now, funny . . . that wins every time. I’ll take my chances w/ bukkake and ridicule, you take yours with civility, we’ll see which way it turns out, k?

207: Who are David Addison and Remington Steele? I thought she meant Addison and Steele, the political writers.

ccmask I think M meant the canonized Addison and steele.
I am choking on Michelle Malkin’s latest:http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005354.htm
gratuitous swamp fever featuring of death and destruction and ready to vomit.

O.M.G. I won’t be able to work for hours. Jane, I love you.

Carolyn Kay — you regularly spam my email with your loony conspiracy theories so I suppose it’s no surprise to see you show up here and launch another one. Nobody is censoring you. Now start taking your meds again and leave us alone.

Is there a Japanese word for women who take 1,000 fascist COX up their rectums?
I remember the clueless NYT farting her out as a “Leftist.”

Arianna mentioned that a reward for finding Wankette’s notebook was getting a drink with Wankette. It was the reward that was the problem…she just didn’t need any more drinks and I think we all knew it :P.

Why are you taking potshots at Cox anyway? It’s like getting pissed at a SOuth Park episode. Uh, hello? The whole point is irreverent comedy. If you don’t think it’s funny, that’s fine but don’t get all huffy as if it were serious.

When she was “Wonkette” sure this would be true, but she now writes a regular column for Time which is supposedly serious political analysis.

Cat fight
Everyone loves a cat fight
For the sick minds
Don’t give ‘em what they want

http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics…..lyrics.htm

I’d never really given any thought to Wonkette/Wakette before. Seems rather a waste of time to do it, especially at this volume and velocity. Is all this Hullabaloo really purposeful or even all that entertaining? Please don’t crush me like a worm Jane — I hate Margaret 116 too, I swear!

she looked like some self-fashioned Marie- Antoinette

Funny that, I saw her (Wankette) many times during YearlyKos, and I thought that she was Kirsten Dunst, who plays Marie-Antoinette in Sophia Coppola’s new film of the same name.

Hi Ms. Hamsher,

I love your work. You are doing what tens of thousands of us would be doing in a perfect world. In the infantile playpen that George-of-the-Jungle’s mentors have created, we’ve got a few dozen folks we can count on for cutting through the fog of illusion that most Americans accept as reality. Thanks for your efforts!

Now as far as the Wankette’s role in embellishing the illusions being created for the Establishment and Aristocracy, wouldn’t we be skipping a sodomist’s skiffle if we fail to refer to this fudge loving filly as Bare-Roan-Arse Ana Marie Coccyx?

“Coarsen political discourse”, indeed.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com