
Last week the Appropriation Committees of the House and Senate reached a deal on the supplemental appropriations bill to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new bill is expected to make it to the floor this week for debate and is expected to pass. Originally there was a provision in this bill to ban any of the money being spent on permanent bases in Iraq, a provision which was silently removed by the Republicans.
Congressional Republicans killed a provision in an Iraq war funding bill that would have put the United States on record against the permanent basing of U.S. military facilities in that country, a lawmaker and congressional aides said on Friday.
The $94.5 billion emergency spending bill, which includes $65.8 billion to continue waging wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, is expected to be approved by Congress next week and sent to President George W. Bush for signing into law.
As originally passed by the House of Representatives, the Pentagon would have been prohibited from spending any of the funds for entering into a military basing rights agreement with Iraq.
While this is already a horrible move by Republicans, things get worse. Today we learn that Bush is planning on keeping a force of about 50,000 troops in Iraq for years to come:
America plans to retain a garrison of 50,000 troops, one tenth of its entire army, in Iraq for years to come, according to US media reports.
The revelation came as George W Bush summoned his top political, military and intelligence aides to a summit on Iraq's future today at the presidential retreat at Camp David.
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Military planners have begun to assess the costs of keeping a 50,000-man force in Iraq for a protracted period of time. At present the total number of serving American troops is about 500,000.
The plan has not yet received presidential approval. But it would fit with the administration's belief that while troops numbers will fall, American forces will have to remain in Iraq beyond Mr Bush's departure from the White House in early 2009.
So we are seeing that Bush’s misadventure of removing Saddam is going to cost us even more money, but what impact will this have on the Middle East?
Now let’s think back to the days following the September 11th attacks and when the number one question in America was “why do they hate us”? During that time numerous answers were given, including the bogus answer by Bush that “they hate us for our freedoms”. The only real truthful answer to that question is given by Richard Clarke, who may have given us the number one reason in his book Against All Enemies as he describes the lead up to the first Gulf War.
The mission to persuade the Saudi King to accept U.S. forces was given to Defense Secretary Dick Cheney. He assembled a small team, including Under Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, Central Command head Norman Schwarzkopf, Sandy Charles of the NSC, and me (Richard Clarke), then the Assistant Secretary of State for Politico-Military Affairs.
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His help [bin Laden] would not be required. He could not believe it; letting nonbelievers into the Kingdom of the Two Holy Mosques was against the beliefs of the Wahhabist branch of Islam. Large numbers of American military in the Kingdom would violate Islam……
So one of the primary reasons Osama went from being an asset to being public enemy number one was that we were entering the holy land and would not leave. Unfortunately we proved him right throughout the 1990s by retaining a military presence in the area. Now we are going to prove Osama right even more by building bases in Iraq.
Whenever a Democrat speaks out against the Iraq war, the right wing pundits and politicians are quick to jump on the same talking point of “what kind of message is this sending to our enemies?” Now that question is more important than ever and must be used against the Republicans. What kind of message is building permanent bases in Iraq and retaining a troop level of 50,000 for years to come going to send? This could provide to be a key recruiting tool for al Qaeda and provide great propaganda. What we have done is made Osama’s preaching’s of Wahhabism (a branch of Sunni beliefs) come to life.
This new found recruiting tool for al Qaeda is not the only problem this new plan presents. There is another danger which is equally as bad and effects us right here at home. A story which appeared last week on mysa.com, the site for San Antonio’s Express News and KENS-5, has not received much attention. This story highlights a greater threat to our defenses at home:
It's stranger than fiction, a tale bizarre beyond belief: The Army that helped conquer Iraq in three weeks doesn't have enough cash to keep the lights on at Fort Sam Houston.
The post is in crisis mode, not dark but deep in the red.
Its garrison office, which provides services to more than 70 tenant commands, has frozen hiring, shut off cell phones and BlackBerry devices, turned in leased cars and forbidden troops from using government credit cards. If a computer breaks down, the tenant command has to pay for the part
So not only are we facing a new recruiting tool for al Qaeda, handed to him on a silver platter by the Republicans, but we are also facing a crisis mode in our military bases here at home. This is beyond belief that the richest nation in the world can not afford to keep the lights on at its own military bases. But wait – it gets even worse. That supplemental appropriations bill I started this article talking about – well it doesn’t look like that is going to even help out that much:
Fort Sam is grappling with a $26 million budget shortfall partly because of congressional wrangling over a measure to fund wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But problems at Fort Sam and many of the Army's 179 posts worldwide won't be over even if Congress approves a $94.5 billion supplemental appropriations bill next week as expected.
The war, rising military health care costs and Pentagon efforts to transform the armed services will make sure of that.
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He (spokesman Ned Christensen) said the Pentagon is asking Congress for $722 million in supplemental funding for posts worldwide. Of that, IMA's southwest region would get $105 million, Fort Sam spokesman Phil Reidinger said.
So that $65.8 billion earmarked for military spending that was past last week isn’t even enough – now we need more money just to keep the lights on at our military bases? Now we must ask how much building a military base in Iraq will cost and if we did not spend money on that would we be able to keep our bases here at home running.
When you consider the domestic and international implications of removing the ban on permanent bases, Republicans may have made one of the gravest mistakes in recent history last week. Money will now be spent on something that can be used to aid our enemy while hurting our bases here at home.
Iraq is going to be the number one issue on the campaign trails in 2006 and 2008. The greatest tool in the arsenal for Democrats to fight Republicans is this kind of fiscal mismanagement by the Republican run government. It shows that the Republicans not only mishandle our money but they also mishandle our national security. Some on the right will be quick to blame Rumsfeld, but he can only take so much blame. In the end, Bush is the Commander in Chief and ultimately responsible for the military. These gravest of mistakes lie more so on his shoulders than Rumsfeld’s. Besides, Rumsfeld has already said he has offered his resignation and Bush would not accept it.
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Fitz. Yes. Alberto, please, no!
Great post. The sheer recklessness and ruinousness of this junta is simply staggering. It’s time for Dems to be SCREAMING every point noted here.
EPU’d from the last thread:
Byron York has his latest hit piece up on Kos:
http://article.nationalreview......xMjQ0OWIzN ThiNTQzOTY=
There was some discussion this weekend on how we need to engage York in political discourse … that we have to be careful not to be pejorative, and instead engage him in substantive political discussion. Yeah, right.
York and the other kool-aid drinkers are not interested in a substantive political discussion - because they would lose and they know it. So instead they trot out the same Rovian tactics. First, trivialize the discussion by personalizing it, and then smear the person making the argument. Rovian Political Tactics 101.
There are those who say we should do the same to them, but I would rather see us educate the MSM and voters on what they are doing, and somehow find a way to inoculate the voting public from this type of trash. Maybe Geoffrey Nunberg’s book ‘Talking Right’, could give us some ideas. Maybe it would help if we identified the three main Rovian tactics and called them out as soon as Drudge, Fox, NR trot them out. For example:
1. Using strawman
2. Personalizing and smearing
3. False Framing
(I don’t know if that’s the list - it’s just a suggestion.) Here is the link to Nunberg’s latest article:
http://www.rawstory.com/showar......latimes.c om%2Fnews%2Fopinion%2Fcommentary%2Fla-op-nunberg11jun11%2C0%2C2471282% 2Cprint.story%3Fcoll%3Dla-home-commentary
This is what we get for allowing an incoherent narcissistic messianic venal helium-head into the White House. He’s bankrupting the nation in every way possible — including the moral.
From an earlier thread: “Republican spokesmodel” mAnn Coulter, LOL!!!
Love it.
O/T - some years ago here in Vegas some cocktail waitresses sued over having to wear the spike heels and dental floss thong oufits.
Casinos’ response: help wanted ads thereafter for “beverage models” and “bevertainers.”
Jeesh.
Bobby G said at 8:38am:
He’s bankrupting the nation in every way possible %u2014 including the moral.
And he and his enablers have managed to convince a lot of people that taxes are bad, so we should have fewer and smaller taxes. Of course, those taxes apply mostly to people with seven or more digits to the left of the decimal in their annual income, but when has truth ever stopped them? The rest of us, whe ones who are rarely mentioned in stories about the economy or taxes and spending, we’re the ones who will be footing the bill (again).
the answer to restoring fiscal responsibility is to win back the Congress in November and cut off the money for the war.
It’s worth keeping in mind that Bush doesn’t decide what happens after he leaves office. Even long-term plans can be changed.
All we have to worry about is that he does office. In 2009, or sooner, if possible.
So if the Bill is no longer the one the House of Representatives has passed, is it still passed?
Bush speaks of an Iraq ready and able to defend itself. This capability is linked to our leaving. Why isn’t he asked to define this ability? Iraq is surrounded by nations sharing simmering hostilities towards each other. They’ve waged war against Iran. When will Iraq be permitted the type of military able to repulse another nation’s aggressions. Where will they get the money and who will they be permitted to buy weapons from? They’ll properly need advanced fighter jets, mechanized artillary, short range missiles, attack helicopters and all the advanced training and supplies to support it all. In short they need to be on par with their neighbors and Israel. When does Bush plan to enable and assist in this? And finally, how does he plan on keeping all that weaponry from being turned on American troops once it’s in Iraqi hands? The answer? Iraq isn’t getting such a military. Ever. And Bush’s professed desire they have the ability to defend themselves is nothing but a pack of gaudy lies. Lies the press and Congress won’t call him on.
steve duncan 10 -
Yep, You are dead-on. The entire Iraq invasion and occupation is an unmitigated disaster, one whose ill effects will linger for decades.
What we get with a Pretend President.
OT but not quite: CNN.com has a piece by Craig of Craigslist on Net neutrality with a link for comments. Go speak your piece at them; I did, with specific reference to the telcos currently being paid by users at both ends.
They had to get rid of that provision,the’ve been building the bases for awhile now.Strange world we live in,up is down,black is white,the clean air act,no child left behind,Big Brother loves us.
DMM: Big Brother does love us.
Support the Troops - bankrupt them.
Golly willikers! I sure do hope none of those 50,000 troops will be downwind of the fallout from our nuclear strike on Iran!
MaryAnn @4
Linky no worky
:(
My Senator, Harry Reid, Salon.com interview excerpt:
“…But I think we’ve come to learn that the intelligence community in America is run by one person — one person — and that’s the vice president. [Sen. Pat] Roberts, who is the supposed chair of that committee — I shouldn’t say “supposed chair”; he is the chair — he can’t do anything without [Dick Cheney].
Let me give you an example. Jay Rockefeller had surgery, and it turned out a lot worse than we expected. It was spinal surgery, so he could not do his job. He had to stay home. We had worked and struggled to have a three-member Democratic oversight committee to oversee NSA stuff. They could review everything. That was the deal that was made — Rockefeller, Levin and [Dianne] Feinstein. Rockefeller can’t be there, so I talk to [Senate Majority Leader Bill] Frist, and I say, “What we need to do is have somebody replace, at least on a temporary basis, and the fourth person in seniority is [Oregon Sen.] Ron Wyden.”
So Frist, he doesn’t do anything. After a couple of days, he says, “Talk to Pat Roberts, talk to Pat Roberts.” And a day or two later, Pat Roberts says, “The vice president doesn’t want me to do that.”
Everything is run through the vice president — everything.”
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Darth Cheney is running the administration. Bush is just the Play President.
I know. “That’s news?”
A “Discharge Destination=20″ would be way beneficial to the nation.
OT (but not a lot), in response to me-to-me’s question from the previous thread about examples of media bias…
The absolute best overview of this I’ve seen yet is a recent column by Peter Daou. Here’s a link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....14431.html
Among other things, Daou makes the crucial observation that whatever the particulars of the “balance” or lack thereof in a particular story, it’s not the story but the overall storyLINE that is important for shaping perceptions, and the MSM’s line follows the Bush administration’s words and images (or to use a term I learned on the C-SPAN broadcast of a YearlyKos panel, “framing”) to an incredible degree, day in and day out, for the past five years. I hope you’ll check Daou’s column out. I think it deserves even wider circulation than it’s gotten.
OK, I know this is a pipe dream but….
Instead of PAYING Halliburton for services in Iraq, we should make Halliburton and the oil companies PAY FOR the war. The result would be an increase the price of oil to its true cost to us. Bet we would have not problems finding alternative energy sources then.
If we question the sanity of building permanent bases in Iraq, they will surely say it’s treasonous.
Which calls to mind Patrick Henry’s speech:“…If this be treason, make the most of it.”
Good post, Jamie. I learned this weekend (over dinner table conversation) something about the chronic and ever worsening under funding of the Coast Guard; so much for Homeland security!
Sorry about the links in #4, you can see the language article on the front page of raw story (right side):
http://www.rawstory.com/
(title: ‘Linguist: Dems still talk like Losers’)
and you can see York’s hit piece on front page of the National Review Online.
http://www.nationalreview.com/
Jamie:
Thank you for bringing this topic front and center — it has gotten precious little attention from the media and from democrtas over the past 6 years.
The one thing I take exception to is
Perhaps the exact number of troops we learned today. But in fact, we have known about this administration obsession with forward bases in the Middle East since at least September of 2000
The deep desire for such bases was clearly one of the underlying reasons we really invaded Iraq and no one - I repeat, no one - should be the least bit surprised by the news that 50,000 US troops will be staying on indefinitely. Americans sons and daughters will be dying in Iraq for many, many years to come. Anyone who has read the PNAC report could have told you this several years ago.
We have to stop treating this as some kind of new revelation. It is part and parcel of this admistration’s long standing agenda and it has been since the day George W Bush first took the oath of office.
“Darth Cheney is running the administration. Bush is just the Play President.”
don’t you find it interesting that on Google Earth where Cheney lives at the Naval Observatory is fuzzed out, while the White House is crystal clear?
This a repeat of W’s Crusade remark. The result of the disastrous combination of arrogance and ignorance is the inability to even recognize mistakes much less learn from them.
Thanks MaryAnn… Now how ’bout a coconut cream pie?
:-)
Todays math question: If there are to be 50,000 troops in Iraq for years to come, how long will it be before one member of the Bush family serves in the military?
vivian darkbloom 24-
It could not be more clear that Cheney is the Man Behind The Curtain.
Destination 20, puleeze!
OT
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WEATHE.....index.html
Well, Alberto jumps right outta’ the gate getting hurricane season off to a rousing start. Pray for the people on Florida’s northwest coast. Only the second full week of June and we’ve already got a hurricane making landfall on the U.S. coast.
And pray that New Orleans doesn’t get hit again this year-we (and they) have still got a long way to go.
Dr. Bong: Here ya go (hope this works)
http://holiday.allrecipes.com/AZ/CcntCrmPi.asp
jacqrat — you out there? Thanks for that link to School House Rock’s version of the Preamble; I’ll use it in our next session on Wednesday morning.
This morning we covered the Stamp Act, the Townshend Act, the Intolerable Acts, the Tea Act, the general anger of the colonists against taxation without representation and the the Boston Tea Party, the Declaration of Independence, what the Declaration meant and how these two key sentences in the Declaration form the underpinnings of the entirety of the Constitution….
Phew…I’m actually hoarse after one hour straight of reading, discussing, answering rapid fire questions. And that’s only two kids. Thank goodness I don’t do this for a living. Thank goodness there are teachers who love to do this every day for our kids.
Wednesday’s syllabus: the Preamble and the First and Second Constitutional Congresses.
p.s. You know what the toughie was today, of all the questions? Mom, if the people can alter the government, why can’t they fire George Bush? Agh. Damned good question.
This story is actually a positive development. These plans have been in place from the outset, but have not been given anywhere near the publicity they demand.
The plan for a permanent force of this size has to be on the table before any realistic discussion of US policies regarding Iraq can take place.
It calls into question the whole notion of Iraqi sovereignity. It makes a lie out of Kerry’s withdrawal proposal and Murtha’s redeployment plan.
The US policy is not and never has been to stand down as the Iraqis stand up. The Iraqi army has not been permitted to acquire the materiel (armor, air power etc) necessary to defend their country from an outside invasion. They do not have the logistical capability to wage any kind of serious military action. The plan has always been for the US to be the primary defense resource against outside attack.
The profound failure of the media and the democrats to report on this is disturbing, but, now, at least it is out in the open.
Permanent basing in Iraq has been a long term goal of the neocon agenda. Yes, despite the disaster that is Iraq they are still around. What you are seeing in Iraq is not one but two policies that are evolving semi independently. The first is the ongoing military containment of Iraq’s undeclared civil war, also known as the quagmire. The second is the neocon dream of using Iraq as a platform to project American power throughout the region. Bush and company would like to transition from the first of these to the second, reducing troops (and casualties) but maintaining its strategic goals. The problem is that there is no indication that such a transition is possible. There are many reasons for this: the lack of sufficient troops to create security in Iraq, the weakness of the Iraqi government, the continuing unwillingness of the Bush Administration to recognize the basic realities on the ground (that there is a civil war going on and that the government is not a grouping of parties but an assembly of militias that have little to no interest or experience in governance).
As for the money, budget estimates are projecting an on budget deficit between $300-340 billion. Add to this the $94.5 billion of the supplemental and the $187 billion borrowed from the Social Security surplus and you have the ~$600 billion dollar off budget (or real) deficit for 2006. Maybe the reason that we’re in such trouble fiscally is that no one in government can add but more likely it is just that why should they care? It is other people’s money after all.
Oh yeah, just one more thing:
Mission Accomplished
mc 29 -
Global warming. Read Tim Flannery’s frightening and depressing scientific book “The Weather Makers”.
Pretend President “What?-Me-Worry?” can pretend all he wants that the causes and effects are not known and real and severe, but they’re here, and will only worsen.
Pacifica #20:
I couldn’t agree more. I remember reading that even before the current Iraq war, someone had calculated that the real retail price of gasoline, including all the U.S. spending to keep oil fields, sea lanes, etc. secure was understated by ~ $1.00/gallon. It’s gotta be ‘way more now, and headed higher. There are enormous distortions of resource allocation baked into our economy based on this factor alone.
Iraq WILL NOT be the No. 1 issue in upcoming elections because AIPAC will de-fund any candidate who dares call for a pullout.
The candidates will only talk about what AIPAC lets them talk about. That’s why nobody would go to the war protest in DC — Barney Frank said they were threatened by AIPAC.
al-Scooter 37 -
Economists call such things “externalities.” If ALL of the true costs associated with petrol fuels were honestly and explicitly accounted for (e.g., militarily defending the distribution lanes, environmental and health impacts, etc), hydrogen would be competitive in terms of BTU/quantity.
RE: Bush v. Cheney
Just beware of allowing Bush to go scot-free while Cheney takes all the political heat for being a baddie. The repukes have deliberately set things up that way so that they can push through their right-wing agenda while allowing Bush to get off the hook because “it’s not him it’s Cheney.” That’s crap. They’re all in it together.
BUSH is the one elected. BUSH is the one we need to hold accountable.
OT - Czech Republic 2, USA 0
near the end of the first half.
Rayne,
honey, you are going to have to take one for the team - will be sending some remedial students to your place on Weds. - don’t worry, you’ll recognize them from the drool, wide yellow streaks, and the name tags safety pinned to their shirts -
P. Roberts, A. Specter, and C. Levin (for balance, doncha know) for starters
feel free to use any and all means necessary to get them up to speed (believe corporal punishment is still allowed in Michigan)
thanks !
#10 Bionic -
What happened last week was a compromise was reached between the House and Senate Appropriation Committees. They both decided to scrap the provision banning permenant bases. There was some language differences between both versions. The Senate had it written to the point that the money in this bill could not go to fund the bases while the House was a more widespread ban on money from this and other bills being used to build bases.
Both houses are scheduled to take up this bill on their respective floors this week so it could still be delayed if another new amendment gets passed through in either house. Of course with Bush and his reckless signing of bills, he may well choose the one he likes best and sign it. We know he does have a history of exercising the constitutional unconstitutional misconduct.
Permanent bases were and are the foundation reason for the Iraq Invasion and the ongoing occupation; besides, taking over the oil fields. It is just that corporate media has been lying about it from the beginning. Their Storyline is “will this or that bring the troops home” when the Truth is “will this or that pacify Iraq so most of the troops can come home and the rest withdraw into the permanent bases”.
We are getting big rainfall here in the middle of the state already. Good for putting out all the brushfires. Longboat Key–not so good. They are getting hit with 70MPH winds.
From Rep. Paul Craig Roberts on antiwar.com
hmm
link seems off so heres the article
“White House Moron…”
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=9127
#35.
Maybe someday WE will be able to say mission accomplished. That would be the day every jackass in that think tank is in prison.
ccmask
Keep your head down and lease keep us posted. Could be a long summer for folks in Florida.
That’s why nobody would go to the war protest in DC
Except for the hundred thousand people who went.
O/T -
I was just reading over on AlterNet about how the NSA is now mining personal stuff over on MySpace.
LOL!!!
At YearlyKos some speaked brought up the utility of progressives networking via MySpace. Right. I recently opened a MySpace account just to be able to hawk the band I work with hin Vegas (Santa Fe and The Fat City Horns), and now I repeatedly get these fucking obvious emails from “Jenny” etc who so Wants To Be My Friend. Lovely fetching photo included on the link.
Get LOST. I’m 60 years old and married and Not Looking - and not naive. MySpace is a waste of time. Perfect place for the NSA.
Why is it that when you proof read something, you see what you thought you wrote, not what is actually there?
There are a plethora of people appearing on television advocating a pro war position, [we must stay the course, cannot cut and run, we cannot be perceived as being unpatriotic, etc.] both on the news and the cable talk shows, while the anti-war voices to be seen and heard on the airwaves are almost non-existent. Not even that liberal darling, Keith Olbermann, sees fit to allow the anti-war point of view to be seen and heard on Countdown, a program which Olbermann and others considers to be the antithesis of The O’Reilly Factor.
Superhighway sucking more jobs out of US:
http://www.humaneventsonline.c.....p?id=15497
Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.
Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation’s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new “SENTRI” system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City.
As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming “North American Union” that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.
BobbyG,
check out the Roots project page,not a total waste of time.And something has to wake up the younger genaration.
You make me want to post Fu*k the NSA on my page,I’m probally on a list already.
Do you think they don’t monitor us here?
From Think Progress:
“Libby trial about to heat up? ABC News notes that a conference with presiding Judge Walton, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and the Libby defense team is scheduled for this afternoon”
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....o-heat-up/
Followup to Jamie at 43 — The conference committee is supposed to reconcile differences between the House and Senate versions of a bill, and then the result is voted on again by each house. This is another process that the Republicans have perverted in the cause of putting party power above country and democracy. In tradition and any rational interpretation of the conference process, this provision couldn’t possibly be removed; instead, some compromise language between the two versions would be decided.
But the GOP leadership doesn’t give a damn about what the people want, as expressed through their representatives. And the rules for the conference process don’t say they can’t do it (just like the rules to basketball don’t say you can’t use hand grenades), so the will of the people is subjugated to the will of the Republican leadership. Again.
tom — chicago at 54: Damn. I remember when the Mexican trucking thing was rammed through, but the focus then was on the safety implications, so I didn’t get the anti-union connection.
DMM 55 -
I’m sure we’re all monitored. And, those assholes can pull up my FBI background check and fingerprints (I was a bank officer from 2000 - 2005).
I will check the Roots project cite you mention.
Oh, and fuck the NSA.
Besides, I ratted myself out a long time ago:
http://www.bgladd.com/Total_In.....eport.html
These people do NOT want to end this war. It is MONEY MONEY MONEY for their buds in the M/I complex. The point is not to WIN war, or find OMDs or democracy or anything but find a way to funnel tax dollars into the the M/I complex.
There is no intention of leaving or wining, but SPENDING… tax dollars spend on the military MOSTLY go to corporations and in the smallest percentage to military pay and benefits. Get it? PEOPLE MAKING MONEY FROM WAR. simple as that.
It is staggering to observe Dubya’s congressional lackies going so far to prove Osama Bin Ladin’s fears and warnings to islamic nations warranted.
Lmao,
Soooo, let’s build a useless wall to keep Les Immigres out,and then build an express lane through the country.BRILLIANT!!!
Tom in chitown 38
In a nutshell, that describes how broken our govt is. Apologies the women here, but the only issue at hand for America is our ME policy. The question is this: In a room with AIPAC lobbyists, how much difference is there between a Democratic and a Republican Senator?
Answer: Not a fvcking bit.
Off topic, via Atrios:
The Washington Post editorial board gets net neutrality entirely wrong, and even includes the idiotic heart monitor reference.
BobbyG,
I’ll get ya the URL
http://www.myspace.com/rootsproject
I’m the first friend on the list,see ya around.
JIm @ 44
You are absolutely right. Permanant bases, a “footprint in the heart of the Middle East” was always the real rationale for the war. If Bush gets his bases, then the mission WILL be accomplished.
Of course, it will turn out in the long run to be a bigger disaster than the war itself, if such a thing is possible.
And too many Democrats will go along lest they be considered weak on defense. We are well and truly screwed. In my darker moments I think that the only thing that will save us is a general economic collapse, like the depression, which willfinally wake people up to the reality of the dangers of empire.
History had proven over and over that empire kills democracy, and destroys itself in the end.
Bobby G - if it’s any consolation, I’d guess that 95% of the stuff that the myspace.com spies have to sit through is on the order of what my 13 year old daughter writes/receives. This attempted approximation of it falls way short because my acronymology is not up to par.
(and I’m like OMG, did you see what Jasmine was wearing today? and she was all “yeah, but Adam doesn’t like you anyway” and then I was like “whatever”…oops, pir, brb)
The actual version would have much fewer vowels.
BobbyG
Since this is a public forum, anyone on the planet is free to monitor FDL. Personally, I think if a few NSA-type folks spend some small amount time monitoring FDL, well, they’ll be all the better because of it. They’ll certainly be better informed on the Plame case than most citizens.
Ed N Sted 68 -
That is an excellent point. LOL!
Good point,Ed n Sted
MaryAnn
I read the Byron York piece at the link you priveded and, considering the source, I didn’t think it was too bad at all.
For example the quote from Kos wherein Kos campares the views of militant Ilsamic extremeists on issues like gay rights, women’s rights, religion in schools, etc. was ful and fair quote and I’m glad to see it out there.
That dark, ominous “now the work of looggers is going to be scrutinized” is bad news for me B/C i can’t typw worth a damn and am always in too much of a rush to proofread, so I can be held up to a lot of ridicule. But I am also a big girl, and am capable of taking responsibilty for for proofreading (even if that means fewer or shorter posts)if I can’t handle the critism.
We WANT our message to get out.. We WANT is reported in the MSM. We WANT people, regular people, people who may not own a computer (not everyone is as fortunate as we are) to be talking about the things we post.
We WANT them to be exposed to our ideas.
Once again, I have no truck with Byron York, but on balance that article did our cause a lot more good than harm. He IS ENGAGING US ON SUBSTANCE, though I don’t think he meant to.
Unlike Democratic campaign consultants and the hacks at the DCCC, our ideas are fresh and challenge people to think. York may or may not have inteded to, but he just put out some progressive ideas to his readership. And , oh frabdishjoy, he chose the “right wings conservative christains have more in common with right wing conservative islamisats than they do with regular amercains” and “the guys in power now wet their pants with fear everytime Osama says. boo” as the points to pass on?
I’m cool with that.
to keep bases in iraq’s a pipe dream — it’s rove’s idea: he wants the republican candidate to be able to say in 2008 that we must vote for her because she needs to finish the job — but rove, like all washingtonians, knows nothing about economics — by then all our leaders will be living on what america’s paymasters deign to give them
“Now let’s think back to the days following the September 11th attacks and when the number one question in America was “why do they hate us”? During that time numerous answers were given, including the bogus answer by Bush that “they hate us for our freedoms”. The only real truthful answer to that question is given by Richard Clarke,”
1. Bingo. Right on target, Jamie. If one studies the many writings/speeches of Bin Laden, you’ll NOT find him complaining about “capitalism”, or “Jeffersonion democracy”. [by contrast, you could find tons of literature from the old Soviet Union era crtiqueing such institutions]
Bush is either incredibly stupid about bin Laden, or an incredible liar. I’m not sure which one it is…but either choice is very bad.
Ghostman
lotus says:
June 10th, 2006 at 7:20 am
Do “Lobster” and “Lobstergirl” live in the same shell?
No….I am unacquainted with this other crustacean…..
perception problem.
Permanent bases - > enduring bases
problem solved… right?
Oh, wait - stupid reality based crowd clamoring for their precious reality.
Sorry to start out with a criticism but let’s drop once and for all the “richest nation in the world” moniker. That is not Uncle Sam anymore. We’re flat broke. So how then do we remain the “richest nation in the world”? The sad truth is that most Americans don’t realize this. It would be a helluva political weapon if we chose to use it.
Next, liberals have known about the permanent bases for at least two years. Only in the last two months have a few reports filtered into the MSM. We shipped over self-propelled artillary there long ago to set up Vietnam-style firebases. If so much as a sparrow moves within the kill zone, it will rain metal.
Well, I’ve started and stopped about three posts today - damn it’s hard to work and keep up!
I heard this morning on Washington Journal that John Boehner (hang some long ears on him and he IS Deputy Dawg - thanks lotus!) was going to rekindle the Iraq debate that backfired on them, when, instead of embarrassing the Dems, their hastily-drafted “immediate deployment out” bill turned into a Murtha-bashing event that made the GOP look like the cheap-shot bastards they are. Boehner wants another swing at the ball, this time hoping for a home run.
What this says to me is that the level of politics that is infused into any debate on the war is what is helping to make such a mess of it. Boehner, for example, would apparently prefer to design an event for the sole purpose of providing election-year fodder for GOP House and Senate members, who have nothing else to run on at home, rather than gather whatever brain power can be rustled up in DC to find ways to extricate us from this debacle. And when the usual scare and embarrass tactics rear their ugly heads again, I think the Dems HAVE TO call them on it; they have to refuse to accept the role the GOP has assigned to us.
At a minimum, one thing they should immediately do is stop with the fiction that this is emergency spending. It is clearly an integral part of our budget, and as such, should be included in it, not set off to the side where it can be conveniently ignored whenever this administration wants to make rosy economic forecasts. It is sucking the life out of us, contrary to what we are being told.
Next, they need to get the contracting aspect of military spending under immediate oversight that is not subject to overrule by those who created this gravy train. We should not be paying out billions of dollars to contractors who can’t substantiate where the money they are being paid has been spent. I have a feeling there is enough fat in the contracting end of this to restore and maintain our existing base infrastructure.
Finally, the Dems have to refuse to allow the GOP to claim that their catch phrases and slogans represent anything resembling a real policy. We have to demand that they explain what “doing whatever it takes” actually means, and then demand to know how they plan to pay for it.
Grrr.
The point to the bases is that whatever political entity emerges in Iraq will have to deal with their existance, which means that we will get to influence who gets the contracts to “develop” the oil fields. Texaco, British Petroleum? You betcha!
gleex 75
Permanent bases - > enduring bases
Operation Enduring Free-base
No Pryor Convictions required
Brian Jackson 76 -
We are the “richest nation in the world” in the same manner in which Enron was touted as the “7th largest U.S. corporation.”
Yeah, I would say that throwing a World Cup soccer score into a blog like this is way off topic - and a large spoiler. Please do not do this.
As to the US “footprint” in Iraq. Well, if anyone with any history can recall–this excludes the dry-drunk in chief, it was the US presence in Saudi Arabia that was one of Bin Laden’s prime drivers for his actions.
I wonder if the US presence in the Shiite heartland will produce some new Shiite Bin Ladens?
-GSD
Also, Moqtada Al Sadrs Mahdi Army engaged the British this weekend in southern Iraq…..Bin Laden meet Al Sadr.
oops - sorry ’bout the soccer spoiler - didn’t think about that. bad form.
“I wonder if the US presence in the Shiite heartland will produce some new Shiite Bin Ladens?”
Well GSD, maybe. But here’s what it IS doing: while al queda actually has a very small presence in Iraq, those present are receiving the finest on-the-job training in terror tactics one can receive.
They are learning how to go up against the world’s finest military, in an environment where the military also owns the skies, and where they are out-manned and out-gunned. They’ve learned how to set up intel, recon, scouting, bomb-making, target selection, personnel replacement, and group security. All in a very hostile environment.
Perhaps only 1000 al queda are in Iraq? Picture this: just 10% of these skilled terrorists migrate onto US soil. Imagine the havoc just 100 al queda types can wreak here stateside. Not good.
Ghostman
My wife just sent me this:
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THREE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT:
1. COWS
2. THE CONSTITUTION, and
3. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
COWS
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that our government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country. Maybe we should give them all a cow.
THE CONSTITUTION
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don’t we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it’s worked for over 200 years and we’re not using it anymore.
TEN COMMANDMENTS
The real reason that we can’t have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse…….
You cannot post “Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery” and “Thou Shall Not Lie” in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians - it creates a hostile work environment.
BobbyG,
That is fucking great!I’ll be passing that on
BobbyG @ 6:
In the blackwhite world, such rank publicity whores are converted to tastefully lit spokesmodels for the New Perfect Surreality…Hawking their tainted ideologies as indispensable curatives and telling feel-good falsehoods to a public whose rose-colored looking glass has an past due date with a hammer.
‘May the Lord take a likin’ to your oil, and blow you up real good soon’
;>)
The issue of bringing the troops home and no permaentn bases in Iraq should be at the top of the Democratic agenda this fall. This action by repugs hands us the issue.
like many of you did, I just got an Email from Senator John Kerry asking me to please call my two Senators to support US withdrawal from Iraq by the end of this year. The Senate is going to be discussing Iraq this afternoon. Kerry enclosed the handy clickable map showing your Senators phone numbers http://www.johnkerry.com/actio.....e.20060612
darkblack –
I’ve been trying to digest the Dtournement info since yesterday — how do you see it having a useful function in the political world?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detournement
http://www.bopsecrets.org/SI/detourn.htm
He IS ENGAGING US ON SUBSTANCE, though I don’t think he meant to.
No he doesn’t mean to. One of the things that I think has disappointed J&M is that CtG did not ignite controversy. If YKos is what it takes, well that’s all to the good.
It could turn into an entertaining period of dueling quotes. Kevin Drum likes this one from Delay, re Columbine:
I don’t talk much with the defense contractors I used to work with, but I get the feeling that they’re a lot less busy these days. The R and D side of military funding is slowly being drained into the war, as well. I imagine that things that have immediate applicability to the war in Iraq or Afghanistan are well funded, but anything more long term is going to take a back seat right now.
The other problem that I see is related to what Jamie is writing about. If there are going to be 50,000 troops in Iraq for the forseeable future, facing what appears to be an insurgency that cannot be ended by American soldiers, what is that going to do to recruiting? Most kids smart enough to be eligible for the service ought to be able to recognize that they stand a good to excellent chance of spending a tour in Iraq during their first term of service. Any who are willing to talk to folks who’ve been in the service know that’s closer to “excellent”. There won’t be many recruits in the next few years who are in the service so they can pay for their college education. That means less brainpower in the military, and that’s not good. Modern weapons require minds that can comprehend them.
This is a disaster long term for the armed forces, or at least the ground component. In the end, it may be as bad as Vietnam.
Anne - That would be the same John Boehner that was recently in E’ville, raising campaign $$ for John Hostettler - the sole Republican (I think) to vote against the war.
OTOH, Boehner was able to get some good old fashioned Republican issues addressed on the trip. He was flown in gratis on a corporate jet and spent the bulk of his trip golfing at the newish Victoria whatevertheycallit golf course.
*s*
BTW - *ilson, I think I saw your Reps name listed on the brief filed in the ACLU/NSA suit on behalf of a chunk of members of Congress.
punaise at 79
Operation Enduring Free-base
No Pryor Convictions required
lol. It’s becoming a ‘Fro fire zone in here.
*ilson46201
Clickable map doesn’t work for Arizona….Oh thats right, I don’t have representation, only Kyl and McCain.
ljt 56, msnbc has more details on today’s pre-trial status hearing. According to them, Judge Walton’s priorities for today are:
2) Whether additional motions (other than motions already filed in other preliminary hearings) will be filed.
3) Whether the government will be asserting any claims of executive privilege.
4) Whether the parties believe it is necessary to issue early returnable trial subpoenas to resolve anticipated claims of testimonial privilege.
Should be interesting.