Comments on: Any Ideas? http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:21:31 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: hnr http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-157832 hnr Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:05:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-157832 <p>vca</p> vca

]]> By: Nikki Virden http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-141049 Nikki Virden Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:03:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-141049 <p>Hey, its Christy Hardin on C-SPAN!<br /> I believe the last time I saw you, you were playing a trombone….</p> <p>Go ‘Jackets!</p> Hey, its Christy Hardin on C-SPAN!
I believe the last time I saw you, you were playing a trombone….

Go ‘Jackets!

]]> By: doug r http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139549 doug r Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:35:55 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139549 <p>Well, that 35,000 feet is about 7 miles up-the pilot probably mentioned that….</p> Well, that 35,000 feet is about 7 miles up-the pilot probably mentioned that….

]]> By: Swim http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139251 Swim Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:20:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139251 <p>A LURKER SPEAKS<br /> Truth be told, all the neo-cons who go-along with the shrubs maniacal evil regime can be explained in Alex Gibney’s documentary on Sundance “The Human Behavior Experiments”. In this film we watch a single person filling out an application in room go call for help when they see smoke come into the room from under a door. Later in the same room , 3 people notice the smoke, look around, see no one get up and ignore the smoke. One guy actually waves the smoke out of his face so he can continue unabated. Is there a better metaphor than this for what’s happening in America? I loved watching the live feed of YKOS and felt somewhat empowered but very few people (relatively speaking) are watching US. We know the ass-kissing main-stream media have “Gone Fishin” and that the roots movement is the future but we must find a common language that we bring to the table. I am stuck in Texas, my partner a progressive democrat active duty USAF physician. All of our military friends are Dems and all of them are out of the loop. We must find a way to infiltrate the major media, find a way to stay IN the news cycle. People out here really do think the bloggers are ‘19 year old high school dropouts in their parent’s basement’. We need to dominate the dialogue. I wanted to join the conversation and am willing to do what I can to futher the dialogue. Thanks for all that you the Blogeverse do.<br /> Swim</p> A LURKER SPEAKS
Truth be told, all the neo-cons who go-along with the shrubs maniacal evil regime can be explained in Alex Gibney’s documentary on Sundance “The Human Behavior Experiments”. In this film we watch a single person filling out an application in room go call for help when they see smoke come into the room from under a door. Later in the same room , 3 people notice the smoke, look around, see no one get up and ignore the smoke. One guy actually waves the smoke out of his face so he can continue unabated. Is there a better metaphor than this for what’s happening in America? I loved watching the live feed of YKOS and felt somewhat empowered but very few people (relatively speaking) are watching US. We know the ass-kissing main-stream media have “Gone Fishin” and that the roots movement is the future but we must find a common language that we bring to the table. I am stuck in Texas, my partner a progressive democrat active duty USAF physician. All of our military friends are Dems and all of them are out of the loop. We must find a way to infiltrate the major media, find a way to stay IN the news cycle. People out here really do think the bloggers are ‘19 year old high school dropouts in their parent’s basement’. We need to dominate the dialogue. I wanted to join the conversation and am willing to do what I can to futher the dialogue. Thanks for all that you the Blogeverse do.
Swim

]]> By: jwp http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139154 jwp Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:20:55 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139154 <p>Alice at 143,</p> <p>I think you are correct, and that the phenomena is valuable.</p> <p>For decades, I have annoyed countless friends forever griping about the lack of insitutional memory in the news media. I think bringing some institutional memory to the discussion has been the number 1 positive influence of blogs.</p> <p>Valuable, but not enough. Principally, I think, because blogs apply themselves to media discussion. So the scope of comment by blogs is pretty well established by what the media chooses to cover in the first place. And those initial choices are woefully inadequate.</p> <p>In addition, I think there will be cultural hurdles for bloggers impeding any next step forward. It is a different process to criticize others to your like-minded readers than it is to propose a useful step and gather a coalition to make it happen.</p> <p>I think both processes are needed.</p> <p>At the moment, we see only the first.</p> Alice at 143,

I think you are correct, and that the phenomena is valuable.

For decades, I have annoyed countless friends forever griping about the lack of insitutional memory in the news media. I think bringing some institutional memory to the discussion has been the number 1 positive influence of blogs.

Valuable, but not enough. Principally, I think, because blogs apply themselves to media discussion. So the scope of comment by blogs is pretty well established by what the media chooses to cover in the first place. And those initial choices are woefully inadequate.

In addition, I think there will be cultural hurdles for bloggers impeding any next step forward. It is a different process to criticize others to your like-minded readers than it is to propose a useful step and gather a coalition to make it happen.

I think both processes are needed.

At the moment, we see only the first.

]]> By: Alice Molloy http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139046 Alice Molloy Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:19:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139046 <p>Bloggers are the new journalists. I’m remembering the 50s and 60s, when an array of new voices spoke out in small papers, The Village Voice for example, and later became mainstream journalists; and in the late 60s and early 70s, when women’s voices bloomed in leaflets and small papers, and those women went on to writing careers, besides changing the landscape. In both cases people with no ‘journo creds’ burst forth to crash through the media firewall. </p> <p>What’s happening now is much, much bigger: the democratization of research.</p> Bloggers are the new journalists. I’m remembering the 50s and 60s, when an array of new voices spoke out in small papers, The Village Voice for example, and later became mainstream journalists; and in the late 60s and early 70s, when women’s voices bloomed in leaflets and small papers, and those women went on to writing careers, besides changing the landscape. In both cases people with no ‘journo creds’ burst forth to crash through the media firewall.

What’s happening now is much, much bigger: the democratization of research.

]]> By: jwp http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139032 jwp Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:12:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139032 <p>Margaret at 129,</p> <p>I agree with you.</p> <p>Further, it seems to me that most of our favorite political blogs are mostly entertainment. I know I am entertaied. And they are supportive of good purposes. So more than entertainment, but still not organization for political action.</p> <p>Generally, I would hate to see the free-wheeling discussion go away. And I don’t think that it will.</p> <p>However, getting a lot of people charged up about this and that from time to time is not enough for sustained political influence. That is not really a criticism of FDL or any other site. It just points out that new challenges lie ahead — if we choose to take them.</p> <p>In my view, the best hope for slowly changing the routines in DC (routines — not a couple votes) is to start with an organized and non-partisan effort to document what goes on there. For all the bluster on this site and elsewhere (some by me), there isn’t much true information about what happens day to day.</p> <p>The devil is in the details. And no one — no one — makes any effort to record or make available that infomation.</p> <p>I think a consortium of universities would have the money and reputation (and source of rotating “reporters” — students) to do the job best.</p> <p>Other things are also needed. But sunshine first.</p> Margaret at 129,

I agree with you.

Further, it seems to me that most of our favorite political blogs are mostly entertainment. I know I am entertaied. And they are supportive of good purposes. So more than entertainment, but still not organization for political action.

Generally, I would hate to see the free-wheeling discussion go away. And I don’t think that it will.

However, getting a lot of people charged up about this and that from time to time is not enough for sustained political influence. That is not really a criticism of FDL or any other site. It just points out that new challenges lie ahead — if we choose to take them.

In my view, the best hope for slowly changing the routines in DC (routines — not a couple votes) is to start with an organized and non-partisan effort to document what goes on there. For all the bluster on this site and elsewhere (some by me), there isn’t much true information about what happens day to day.

The devil is in the details. And no one — no one — makes any effort to record or make available that infomation.

I think a consortium of universities would have the money and reputation (and source of rotating “reporters” — students) to do the job best.

Other things are also needed. But sunshine first.

]]> By: brownandserve http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139011 brownandserve Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:02:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-139011 <p>FYI, you can now view the video of the Plame Panel discussion by visiting <a href="http://fora.tv">http://fora.tv</a>. I understand the video is also available on C-Span.org but I couldn’t get it to work (also, with fora.tv you don’t need to have RealPlayer installed).</p> <p>This was the best discussion panel that I have ever seen. Wow! And Cristy was awesome.</p> FYI, you can now view the video of the Plame Panel discussion by visiting http://fora.tv. I understand the video is also available on C-Span.org but I couldn’t get it to work (also, with fora.tv you don’t need to have RealPlayer installed).

This was the best discussion panel that I have ever seen. Wow! And Cristy was awesome.

]]> By: mommybrain http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-138980 mommybrain Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:46:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-138980 <p>MOblue’s example is much more like what I meant.</p> MOblue’s example is much more like what I meant.

]]> By: Kathryn in MA http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-138977 Kathryn in MA Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:45:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/12/any-ideas/#comment-138977 <p>This is the only convention anyone will attend where the point of the exercise is to meet eachother. And we did so with so much joy. Attending the panels where our virtual voices were given a room and a podium is so much gravy. Dividing up into regions and states and swapping emails for Roots organizing was a tremendous bonus. There was a shortage of outlets to recharge laptops, so when we found an outlet in the hallway, we swiped chairs from neighboring rooms and formed another community - all communities need a source of energy! Also, a very big THANK YOU to the crews who set up the wifi infrastructure.</p> This is the only convention anyone will attend where the point of the exercise is to meet eachother. And we did so with so much joy. Attending the panels where our virtual voices were given a room and a podium is so much gravy. Dividing up into regions and states and swapping emails for Roots organizing was a tremendous bonus. There was a shortage of outlets to recharge laptops, so when we found an outlet in the hallway, we swiped chairs from neighboring rooms and formed another community – all communities need a source of energy! Also, a very big THANK YOU to the crews who set up the wifi infrastructure.

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