
Dateline: 6/11/06...
At the moment, I’m cruising at an altitude of about 27,000 feet (well, give or take...I wasn’t really listening to the pilot when he did the announcement. But it was something with a "7" in it...), and thinking back on the rush of activity that was YearlyKos. And I’m, frankly, a bit overwhelmed by the experience.
Meeting everyone and putting faces and names and screennames together.
Meeting a whole host of bloggers that I e-mail with and/or post about their posts after they’ve posted about one of mine.
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
(By the way, the in flight movie is "Failure to Launch." It’s a bit predictable, but definitely has some amusing moments. And Zooey Deschanel? Good snark.)
Anyway, I’m half watching a movie, half running my brain through the lessons of YearlyKos, and I keep coming back to something that I talked about with the folks from LinkTV, and then later with Murray Waas. About the interaction between the political types who attended the conference and the folks from the netroots who attended – and the relationship between the two. And whether any relationship exists at all.
Where is it going? Are we a group of people to be used as an ATM? As boots on the ground where needed for a campaign and then ignored? Or is it something more akin to a partnership – something where there is give and take, and a respect on both sides of the equation?
Personally, I’d prefer a partnership. It strengthens the Democratic party to have input from outside the bubble and from outside the Beltway consultants who never seem to be in it for the win, but seem like the percentage is the most important thing regardless of the ultimate results or how the job is done or whether they’ve ever really been effective at it.
Here’s the thing: everyone in this thing we hang out in that I like to call the blogoverse...we are all real people, with real problems, with real day to day issues, with concerns about foreign policy, about economic issues, with paying our bills, with filling our tanks with gas, with feeding ourselves, about...well everything these days, hmmm?
The strength of the netroots is in the aggregate power of the individual voices. We don’t always speak with the same voice but, honestly, I don’t ever want us to do so. Issues get tested through the arguments...all of the arguments – and if a particular proposal or solution cannot stand up to some criticism, then it isn’t really a very good idea in the first place, now is it?
But when we do speak with the same voice – very powerful.
And one thing that came across loud and clear at YearlyKos? We want the politicians to represent us – really represent us, not just the big donors, not just the lobbyists, not just the whomever happens to be writing checks today crowd, but US.
And journalists? We just want them to do their jobs and tell the truth about how things are and dig into the meat of the story and toss the phony balance crap out the window. A lot of them honestly try to do that – and we ought to stand up and applaud them when they do. The reporters who are trying to fight the good fight, to be honest and do their jobs deserve our support – because heaven knows that some of them aren’t getting it from their management.
Every person in this nation of ours is valuable. From the most wealthy philanthropist trying to use their power, influence and financial windfall to help others through some charitable foundation to the drunken bum passed out in the doorway near some bar in the seediest part of town. There is some value there somewhere...it may just be a little lost.
We spend an awful lot of time tearing people down in this nation of ours, but not nearly enough time building people up to their full potential. Making it clear that they can make a difference – in their own lives, the lives of their family members, and in their communities.
You know. Nothing big. Just...um...feeling like all of our voices matter to the people who are supposed to be working for all of us. And for themselves as well. And that we are all working to make things better...not just to hold things at some sort of nasty stalemate so one side can hold onto power while the other side can hold onto their piece of the pie, too.
Which leads us to where we go from here. Any ideas?
PS – Mr. ReddHedd says we’re at 35,000 feet. No idea where I got the "7" thing...maybe it was that second glass of chardonnay...
PPS -- And now I'm off to Take Back America. Whew...exhaustion does not begin to describe my morning. But it's awfully good to be home and playing with my peanut. Hope everyone had a safe trip back to their destination as well.
(Found this amazing photo on Cliff Burns' website. Wow -- some absolutely gorgeous shots here -- and everyone should take a bit to browse. I promise you'll find something here that will make your Monday a bit better.)
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Rrootttzzz! hell yeah!
Don’t forget Poland!
Fitz (libby hearing today!)
I’m lovin me some Tom Curry this mornin. See MSNBC.com for his byline. Smackin’ Barbara Boxer upside the head (in public tjis time).
off topic, sorry
I need some examples of msn’s concervative reporting please
I am in discussion where those on the other side are claiming msn is “hopelessly liberal”
Christy THANKS!
And back off on the caffeine a little(?), honey, so you’ll last thru what you want to/have to do. I can’t believe you’re sitting on that plane working. You must have adrenaline squirting out your ears from the YKos excitement overload.
[Fellow Smithie(?) AND fellow grownup hyperactive kid(?).]
I’m sure I speak for many others in letting you know, we’re so-o-o proud, having you there at YKos representing all of us stay-at-homes. We were there in spirit, savoring every dispatch from the front. Can’t wait to catch up on all the details.
BRAVO on a fantastic job. ;->
me to me at 5 — a perfect example is the WaPo’s reporting on Abramoff — saying that he gave to Democrats when he did not give one dime — Jane’s Maryland Moment post and the surrounding ones have all the details…
I think you’re exactly right Christy. In many ways, what you’re raising here is what makes the personal, non-digital interactions between bloggers, netroots activists, journalists, politicos, and regular citizens so important. When you talk to someone on the phone, meet with them in person, plan events, brainstorm over dinner or drinks you’re able to really get down to brass tacks. You can have a flow of ideas that isn’t quite so free over IP. Most of all, you get to actually know someone and gain a fuller picture of how their life informs their political views and writing.
All of this is why I was so disappointed I didn’t get to go to YearlyKos. The flip side, though, is that YKos is part of a model of increasing our connection as a political community. The Roots Project, Blogging Liberally, Drinking Liberally, and all the other cosmopolity-type events take place in the same mode on a daily basis. The defining factor in all of these events is that the
blogosphereblogoverse becomes less a community of voices and more a community of people.Christy,
My MDroots friend Jim Preston will be attending the Take Back America conferance I think.I look forward to his take on it and yours.(we’re in the pic at the top of the CtG discussion thread.Rep.Hooley was great!)
Maybe we’re a group of people to be used as a replacement for, or at least a supplement to, Shrum/Carville/Brazille etc. A politician posts on a blog and receives many ideas from the commenters, people of all walks of life and points of view. The politician walks away with an aggregate message that has been pre-brainstromed and pre-screened by a willing focus group. Blogs remind me that “two heads are better than one.”
FDL got mentioned in an article By Dick Polman
Philly Inquirer Political Analyst
“Any Democrat who defends Lieberman is denounced.
Sen. Barbara Boxer of California was here the other day, and when asked about the blogs’ push for Lamont, she defended Lieberman. A blogger from firedoglake.com promptly posted this comment about Boxer: “She’s an idiot.”
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/14796475.htm
Fire — Caught your panel on C-Span, bravo!
The “fifth estate” was all I could think of listening to folks like yourself — who years ago and before one-party rule, would be muckrakers, aspiring journailists, young legal beagles, maybe young congressionals — an array of Americans that cared about where we are going in the world! The future. Well, they have all been co-opted, to be polite about it.
(I wanted to say “bought”)
It’s up to the citizenary, The netizens! Keep up your work — it is worth it and having an impact. Thanks for that. I’ll promise to keep reading and contributing in some way.
-JK
At Vegas blog-fest, it’s not politics as usual
Democratic presidential hopefuls flock to Yearly Kos gathering
By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC
Updated: 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
LAS VEGAS - Could this past weekend’s Yearly Kos convention — the conclave of 900 activists sponsored by the Daily Kos web site — turn out to be the most significant political gathering of 2006?
Here’s why it might be: The next Democratic presidential nominee will have to go with, or go over, or go around the left-populist-progressive wing of the Democratic Party…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13190686/
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Not bad.
I was thinking about how some of the coverage focusing on the interaction with the big-name politicos, and it’s true that there was lots of cheering and most people were pretty excited about that (though there were plenty who were skeptical.) And it occurred to me that there’s a parallel in science-fiction conventions, with which I have quite a bit of experience.
In that community, people get very excited at meeting a big-name writer and hearing them speak, but even so, it’s very clear that’s not what it’s about. The main thing is the community. A signed book, a handshake, and a speech are things we can tell our co-workers and non-activist friends and family about, but the thing we rave about to anyone who will understand is our time with each other, and the ferment of ideas that went on there (and seamlessly online with those who were there virtually and in spirit.)
So being star-struck for a bit is okay. Enjoy it; it doesn’t mean we’ve been co-opted, or that we’re “merging with the media and mainstream politics,” whatever that means. The presence of these “stars” means that what we’re doing is having an influence, which will spur us not to fold up our tents because we’ve “made it,” but to do more, and build on what we’ve accomplished.
Christy–
Congrats! Plame panel was great. I also watched on C-Span. I was wondering about what the head count is for the convention. The Post and the New York Times said 1,000 but I thought it would be quite a bit larger.
Do you know what the numbers were?
me to me at 5: Eric Boehlert has a good list in his response to the Post’s review of Lapdogs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....22791.html
what worries me is that the two parties have roughly the same foreign policy, excepting mavericks like russ feingold — the only reason they seem to be differing about iraq is that we’ve lost the war there & americans don’t like being on the losing side, so elements in both parties are trying to shift blame
according to juan cole, an iranian official says america doesn’t need to attack iran: america attacked afghanistan & set up an islamist republic, & america attacked iraq & set up an islamist republic, but iran’s already an islamist republic, so why attack?
america’s destined to fail as a country unless it comes up with a foreign policy that deals with reality — rove’s strategy of letting our domestic politics of religiosity dictate our foreign policy is bound to fail — everything we touch overseas turns to crap because although america’s gone bust, our glorified chicken hawk leaders [including hillary] don’t realize that our paymasters, china & japan, are calling the shots & are treating america as a useful idiot
On my way TO the airport to spend a day breathing yet more crappy air. Change planes in DFW and then on to Boston where I “hop” on to the bus that takes me 5 miles from home where my spouse will show up to carry me into the car. That’s about all I’ll be able to do by then.
Tomorrow I will start to think about what’s next after sleeping in my own bed with my cats and a silent ceiling fan (if needed) instead of the infernal hotel air/noise machines.
There are lots of flicks over at flickr of the event, over 400 and counting. I hope to have some more to add later.
Thanks and blessings to all who worked on YKos, all who came, spoke, shared, challenged, and inspired!
And to those who were at home rooting us on!
Later . . . . . .
OT-The Libby case has a status conference today at 1:30 p.m. (eastern). Maybe we’ll get a Fitz sighting, unless one of the other team members will handle this one.
Lots in salon.com today on YKos. 2 lead articles, plus more in “War Room” and “Daou Report”.
That’s gotta help.
oxide says 10 - I think you’ve got a good point.
And salon.com coverage (which usually leads to msm finally being forced to cover stories they’d rather ignore) shows the YKos was a TERRIFIC idea.
firedoglake.com et al. are like the dog that finally caught the bus. ‘cept this doggie knows how to drive. Ha!
The Plame panel was wonderful. Watched it again this weekend.
It’s thrilling to see the MSM acknowledge YKOS. This is getting good!
TANK @ 11
Interesting piece at Philly.com - thanks!
Here’s a taste:
There are definitely places on the left side of the ‘nets that match the description Pohlman puts up. On the other hand, there are places like FDL. Given the fact that I’m here and not elsewhere, that tells you which place I’m more comfortable in.
[And let’s not get back into any of the viteruperate yelling, the screaming, and the hollering about ending sentences with a preposition, shall we? Thank you.]
Pohlman couldn’t say what he did about the Plame panel, for example. Here’s a group of professionals - not 6 figure political professionals, but lawyers, journalists, film director, and government officials - offering their passionate analysis of a government run amok and a media that largely has its head in the sand.
Could Pohlman say what he’s saying about the CTG effort of the Roots Project? Doubtful. This was a group of folks engaged in a strategic action to reach out to Congress in the best way possible - one on one, personal contact in the office of the hill. They were backed up and supported by folks like those here at FDL. No angry, whining, attitude-laying nastiness in that action, just good old fashioned person-to-person politics.
As Jane pointed out in one of her many postings from Vegas, there was a certain amount of “let’s gather around the geeky boys to learn about blogs” from the MSM types, leaving her (blessedly) free to mingle with the firepups, set up for and decompress from the Plame panel, etc.
Any ideas? Let’s keep on going with our brand of professionalism - professional patriots (in the Glenn Greenwald sense of the term), holding our elected representatives, our media outlets, and each other to account.
The politicians have to be able to take the bracing dose of reality that we offer them. There’s many that get elected who fall into the sycophant trap, where they start to get all this positive reinforcement from their staff, lobbyists and companies who benefit from their actions. It’s hard to take criticism from others as a result (trust me, I have watched the ex spouse become a toadie for special interests since his first election to office 9 years ago–that person is not the one I married lo these many years ago).
Anyway, what we offer politicians is an unblinking unvarnished look at what is truly going on. Many would prefer not to know (can anyone say Boxer here???)
Eric Alterman backs up Colbert and says Truth is for Liberals
me to me 5 –
About MSNBC, try Matthews in general — Glenn Greenwald has a good post on him describing himself this weekend as “a huge fan” of Condoleesa Rice — http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.....upies.html — and then there’s always the homoerotic stuff Matthews has done about Bush, most notably on Crotch Stuffing Accomplished Day:
“We’re proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who’s physical, who’s not a complicated guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys, McGovern. They want a guy who’s president. Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out [at which point the visual was of Bush’s stuffing]. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It’s simple. We’re not like the Brits.”
(5/1/03)
Peterr 22 -
Vituperation? I got two words for ‘em:
Ann Coulter
and 4 more:
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman.
Leopold has a new article on Truthout about his reporting on Rove, and the mysterious “Sealed vs Sealed” case in DC.
Grudgingly, have to agree slightly with
Jake at 20.
Loved watching and hearing the panel, but the “snark” that’s so delightful in the blog atmosphere doesn’t necessarily go over so well in the televised panel discussion (and/or interviews )on serious topics.
‘fraid it could too easily lead to charges that bloggers are too smug & elitist. That’s a charge that might be picked up in a hurry & used to hammer down your important message.
Just be a little careful, that’s all.
Panelists might want to review the tape and see what they think. Hate to quibble over possibly just a minor thing. The panel was wonderful!
Jerry…LInk please?
Old political habits die hard I think.That comfy bubble makes alot of people very overprotecitve.But if the old ways of doing things no longer work(or become corrupted),it’s time for something new.I don’t know when America got scared of being innovative,but somewhere along the way alot of this was lost.
It makes so much sense to let regular people have some consultant-type status,but it’s a rare thing to actually see it happen.If I had my way,consultants wouldn’t come from think tanks and other places in the bubble,ever.Has anyone ever tried gathering constituents together and seeing what they can come up with?Why not?A panel of 20 citizens could probably hammer out a lot of very good ideas for everything from platforms to commericials.Would it hurt to try it?
Good news for me this weekend,though off topic:
Last week I mentioned Frances Moore Lappe’s latest book,Democracy’s Edge here,but I had also posted about it over where I guest blog.This weekend her office contacted me via email and want to use my post on their website.I’m supposed to call them today to give them permission.I guess Francis liked what I had to say quite a bit.Wow.
Like all relationships growth will take place regardless of the wishes of the participants. I imagine the relationship will start off very friendly and warm. Lots of phone calls, dinners, late nights “just talking” maybe even an ocassional gift. After a while a degree of familiarity will set in. Backs will be getting scratched all around, but the friendliness will settle into familiarity. Years go by, elections pass like the seasons and one day you wake up as an ATM machine. Being vigorously pumped for funds yet no longer having influence. Cast aside for a younger, cuter political group(with c-cups).
It’s an ugly process but it’s all part of nature taking it’s course.
I think the so called snark on the panel was not only appropriate but necc. I also thought by calling out Byron the nerd about his Comstock faxes was brilliant, and larry correcting all his WRONG reporting was brilliant. The people on that panel knew exactly what they were doing. So all you komodo dragons who like to eat their own, find somewhere else to eat. It is about time people speak truth to power and let these reporters et al, know WE know what they are doing, and that included SNARK!!!!!!
“…Where is it going? Are we a group of people to be used as an ATM? As boots on the ground where needed for a campaign and then ignored?…”
That’s how the arrogant NV Democratic Party made me feel in 2004. They can kiss my Irish ass.
My wife and I pounded the precincts for Kerry for months nonetheless (via MoveOn PAC) right up till 6:50 pm election night, but I have a VERY bad residual taste in my mouth over NV Dems.
OfT: MSNBC Question of the Day
Should Guantanamo Bay prison be shut down?
Yes
61%
No
39%
* 420 responses
Jason Leopold’s Sealed Vs Sealed story http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/061206Z.shtml
thanks *ilson46201, very much
*ilson,
Nooooo!not Leopold again!I wanna read the story/I don’t want to read the story.
My Kung Fu is strong,I will not read the story.
OfT: washingtonpost.com’s Daily Politics Discussion
Dan Balz
Washington Post Chief Political Reporter
Monday, June 12, 2006; 11:00 AM
Balz was in Vegas covering YKos for the WaPo.
An Angry Old Broad @30: She SHOULD like what you say. I’ll bet sales jumped that week. I know that I ordered Democracy’s Edge on your review. My interest was piqued.
The Susan Page, USA piece titled ‘Dems Slipping in State Races’ comes off as a piece used soley to demoralize Democrats. It should be titled: Karl Rove Seeks to Piss on Democrats Parade.
It opens:
(Snip)
“WASHINGTON -The political landscape has gotten friendlier for congressional Democrats over the past six months, but the party’s prospects for scoring big gains in governors’ races now look more difficult.”
*So the title could have easily been ‘Dems looking to make gains in Congress’
The next two paragraphs point out the damaged economy in Michigan…”Michiganders are furious at life, so they’re furious at the governor,”..says a Dem pollster…and in Wisconsin we learn that the Democrats are just plain corrupt….”In Wisconsin, Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle is increasingly vulnerable, in part because of ethics controversies in his administration”
*Then there is this line:
“Among the nation’s 10 biggest states, Democratic prospects since the beginning of the year have gotten tougher in four, California, Georgia, Michigan and Pennsylvania, and better in one, New York.”
I don’t know that the Dems were EVER expected to win Georgia…so why that is tossed in is a mystery…..California seems to have closed up..Page could have mentioned it is because Arnold is distancing himself from Bush and pushing Democratic ideas like environmentalism and an increase in the minumim wage…As Pennsylvania–the last poll I saw had Lynn Swann tanking badly and Rendell ahead by 20% points….that was touted as a big pick-up opportunity for the R’s early on…In NY Spitzer is WALKING away from a state that has been in the R column for a decade or more by about 50% points..In Massachussetts another state that has been in the R column for almost 2 decades it is looking strong for a pick-up.
“….prospects have improved elsewhere, including Arkansas and Colorado, both now rated as toss-ups. “There has been some give and take,” he says.” So two reliably red states are slipping into the D’s column, but the story is that Dems are slipping in races…races that were considered tough..especially for Granholm of Michigan….Florida under the care of Bush’s brother is a clear tossup too and the last I saw Rhode Island’s Carcieri(R) was slipping in that bluest of blue states.
*In conuclusion, the story is soft as a bag of week old shit. Page has weak analysis, trumps up D’s losses, downplays R’s losses and makes it look like polls from a year ago were a done deal.
Susan Page gets a big fat F on this slice of steaming doody.
-GSD
Christy, you guys totally rocked!! We are so proud of what you have accomplished. Now so many more people will see, thru C-Span and other recordings, what we are doing.
We were envious that you got to meet each other. On the home front I had dinner with a Congressman and gave him Glenn’s book. This story and a piece on mental illness and Iraq veterans available on my new blog.
Perfect take on GOP Pundit and Spokeswoman mAnn Coulter:
http://content.todayscartoons......439e9df116
Maybe we’re a group of people to be used as a replacement for, or at least a supplement to, Shrum/Carville/Brazille etc.
The netroots/blogosphere is a tremendous open-source pool of knowledge, talent, and strategic thinking… that the Democratic establishment wants absolutely no part of. It’s mystifying - at least if you assume that the Democratic establishment is in it to win elections and advance liberal policies. If you assume that they’re in it to preserve their comfortable lives by serving corporate lobbyists and not rocking the boat, then it makes a lot more sense.
Redd, what was yout perception of the “political types’” reaction? Were they engaged and interested, or were they just smiling and nodding and looking for the exit?
And responding to that vile excerpt Peterr posted @22 - screaming is kind of a natural response when you have something important to say and the people who need to hear it aren’t listening. It’s a sign of frustration and exasperation.
(Bloody ‘ell. Connection problems - I apologize if this double-posts)
From the TO article Jerry Mentions:
Leopold writes:
“When told about the Sealed vs. Sealed indictment filed in US District Court, the legal experts became intrigued about the case because they say that most federal criminal indictments are filed under US vs. Sealed and that they rarely come across federal criminal indictments titled Sealed vs. Sealed, which to them suggests the prosecutor felt it necessary to add an extra layer of secrecy to an indictment to keep it out of public view.
“The question here is that nobody who I have spoken to - top criminal attorneys, law professors, etc. - is aware of the left part of the case title having been sealed,” said one former federal criminal attorney. “That the right-hand side is sealed is almost pro-forma. But, what is not known is whether the US Attorney can seal the left hand part of the case title on his own.”
The fact that the indictment has been under seal for more than a month also suggests that it involves a high-profile investigation, he said.
Additionally, it’s entirely plausible for a federal prosecutor to obtain permission from a federal magistrate or a judge, have an indictment unsealed for the limited purpose of having parts of it read to a defendant and his or her attorneys in an attempt to have the defendant cooperate with an investigation to avoid facing further charges, legal experts said.”
It seems to me that recording an indictment under “sealed vs. sealed” is a surefire way of making sure it gets lots of attention without divulging anything else about it. Intentionally or not, this would certainly be an excellent pressure ploy.
Panel snark: I thought it was GREAT. Makes you real people showing confidence.
Consultants do more than framing political messages — a lot of winning elections has to do with the nuts&bolts: filing dealines, campaign committee financial reporting, district demographics, realistic budgeting, fundraising scheduling, etc. I’m volunteering planning already for a friend on a City Council race for November 2007.
Get involved with actual elections and ask questions. Old-timers are glad to share political experience with you! They like to see Democrats win…
Have a look at what BobcatJH has to say about Coulter supporters(No name calling-just well reasoned facts)
http://hughesforamerica.typepa.....ulter.html
DMM, I’m not as strong as you . . . I read it.
Actually, it didn’t strike me as much beyond good reporting. Here’s what’s in the record - “Sealed v. Sealed, case # 06 cr 128″ - and here’ why that’s so odd . . .
He speculates - acknowledging it as such - that the could be Fitz and Rove re Plame, but could also be Peter Zeidenberg (one of Fitz’s colleague on the Plame case) who is also working on the Abramoff/Safavian mess. He notes as well that the grand jury works with other cases. (Has The Note gotten that message yet, Christy?)
Compared with other stuff, this is pretty tame. I read it as Leopold trying to give his earlier report some context - not a bad idea, and would have helped his case if he had done so earlier.
Which brings us to Christy, looseheadprop, and other FDL lawyerly types out there -
Sealed v. Sealed, not US v. Sealed?
Are Leopold’s unnamed “legal experts” including a “former federal criminal attorney” correct, or do you smell something odd here?
apologies for the las post! I didn’t mean to C&P so much!
I wouldn’t want to weaken anyone’s kung fu!
BobbyG:
The Labor and Power panel at YKos held up Nevada as a shining example of a place where unionized workers are a force to be reckoned with. So I asked the question “then why did Kerry lose Nevada?” Answer: Nevada is still a red state. I didn’t think much of that answer, but there you have it.
Eric Boehlert over on HuffPo, giving blogger props:
“…Today, sites like Media Matters, Firedoglake, Crooks and Liars, Altercation, Atrios, Digby, Talking Points Memo, the Daou Report, Eat the Press, the Daily Howler, Daily Kos, the Horse’s Mouth, and scores more factually catalog the disheartening phenomena of the D.C. lapdog press. And they do it based on what the MSM has printed and broadcast–not the wordy, insider back story about why reporters did what they did. (After all, most news consumers are never privy to those back stories.) I do the same thing for 300 pages:
• When the New York Times for five weeks during the 2000 campaign refused to even acknowledge the Boston Globe’s page 1 story detailing how Bush had walked away from his Texas Air National Guard duties, that’s rolling over for Bush.
• When CNN made sure to obtain prior approval from the Pentagon for the retired generals it was going to use during its Iraq war coverage, that’s rolling over for Bush.
• When nearly ever major news organization in American announced in 2004 that Bush had secured a re-election “mandate,” despite the fact he clung to the narrowest win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916, that’s rolling over for Bush.
• When “Nightline” during the first two years of the Valerie Plame investigation devoted just three programs to the topic, compared to the 19 Whitewater programs “Nightline” did during the first two years of that investigation, that’s rolling over for Bush.
• When CNN reported last year that anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan had been arrested outside the White House along with “several others,” when in fact she was arrested along with nearly 400 people, that’s rolling over for Bush.
• When ABC’s The Note announced earlier this year that Bush’s newfound rhetorical flourishes were sure to restore his “approval rating back over 53% any day now,” that’s rolling over for Bush.
• When the Washington Post falsely reported that Jack Abramoff had given money to Democrats, that’s rolling over for Bush.
• When Time magazine reported in January that Bush had suddenly “found his voice”
and that relieved White House aides “were smiling again,” just weeks before the president began his collapse in the polls, that’s rolling over for Bush…”
I didn’t attend the conference, but one thing strikes me as likely to happen. We are an open-source group, which is great for finding mutual support and generating and communicating ideas and experiences. It is also a meritocracy. We go to the sites, and we look for the diarists and commentators who we have learned by experience have something to tell us that is worth listening to.
But political action is different. I was listening to Paul Begala yesterday morning on NPR, and he was giving a generally favorable review of Ykos and the larger movement it represents. But he said something important: the establishment will only listen if we can show that we can deliver votes. Money is not enough.
Delivering votes, as many of us know, requires organization, and organization means a degree of hierarchy just to maintain a sense of direction and orderly administration. Participatory democracy is a great and essential thing, but we can’t all participate with each other — there isn’t enough room and not enough time. I would love to meet EmptyWheel, but in truth, what have I got to say to her that she doesn’t already know or needs to know? Her time is more valuable than anything I might give her.
At some point this movement will become hierarchical; there will be leaders and followers. We are still in the sorting phase. The challenge ahead is how to preserve the kind of openness that gives us strength while creating a structure that can help us achieve power.
I don’t know the answer. I’d love to be able to be part of the solution.
Christy & Jane,
Great job at YearlyKos. I watched as much as I could on CSPAN, and loved it all.
I REALLY enjoy reading your witty thoughts and ideas at FDL, but seeing you and your panel members in person was fantastic.
Keep up the fight!
Thanks from all of us in middle america.
Peterr at 48 — you know, a sealed case could be pretty much anything, including a settlement in a civil matter. The DC Circuit deals with a lot of governmental issues, subpoenas, injunctions, and the like — and you have to imagine that a LOT of them touch on national security matters these days. I try not to read anything into that, as I said at the time when everyone was discussing it the first time through. Sealed matters, especially in drug and other ongoing criminal investigations, can be very common. Until it’s unsealed, it’s really just best not to speculate.
lina 50 -
We won Clark County for Kerry, but lost the state overall. Everything outside of Clark County is WAY red(neck).
For me, the attacks on us as a limited interest group, amateurs, not funny, etc., are a hopeful sign.
It means that the political consultants, journalists and know-it-alls who treat every honest action as contemptible, or predictable, or useless, have noticed that we aren’t taking their advice, and that there are a lot of us. Worse still, we may have figured out how to make a lot more of us, and then they may find themselves transformed into the braying jackasses they always would have been but for the armor of conventional wisdom.
It’s a struggle for meaning, folks — always has been. We’ll win some and lose some in this battle, but it isn’t really about winning or losing. It’s about living in a world where you can trust people to do the decent thing when no one is looking.
As Dr. Lizardo said “Character is what you do in the dark.”
P.S. Has anyone else noticed that Dr. Lizardo was a kind of manic caricature of Mussolini? I loved John Lithgow when he was doing stuff like this. As a more standard Hollywood villain in stuff like Cliffhanger, not so much.
The “Sealed Vs Sealed” story comes across as nothing more than musings by Jason Leopold; the same musings that any one of us has had over the last month.
What it doesn’t have is anything of newsbreaking substance much less of significance.
Hey Jason, about those sources you promised to “out”…
Re the blogs and their screaming . . .
I’m sure that if, say, the Gore 2000 campaign or the Kerry 04 campaign released the back and forth strategy memos, emails, and transcripts of phonecalls, there’s be nothing but sweetness and light as the political professionals ironed out their winning strategies. Oh wait a minute . . . Had an Emily Littella moment there, folks. Sorry about that.
Blogs are out in the open, professional campaign strategy conversations often are not, and there’s a place and a time for both openness and confidentiality. But to say that one is vituperative (what a fun word!) and loud, implying the other is not, why, that’s just . . .
Better watch myself here. Almost started screaming. Which, as Eli @ 43 pointed out, is not always a bad thing.
Leopold needs to STFU.
Curry: Which 2008 candidate will the Kos universe back? Will next year’s Kos convention — which Vilsack said will be “hopefully in Des Moines” — amount to the first primary of the 2008 race?
Warner is working hard and spending lot of money to woo the Kos universe. “Let’s keep dating!” Warner joked as he ended his speech Saturday.
Whatever comes of Vilsack’s and Warner’s, I LIKE Curry’s suggestion.
I stand corrected.
Thanks indeed for being “real”, guys.
Guess I’m too much of a nervous nelly sometimes.
So much at stake, and sooo want to get beyond this repug gang & start picking up the mess they’ve made ;->
Lotus,
Perhaps we should make the location for next years KOS convention New Hamsher.
-GSD
Yes indeedy, GSD.
Obviously a Leftist is a person who questions a mainstream media report; an extreme lefist is one who fact checks same; a radical leftist is one who lists the inaccuracies and publishes them on the internet.
BobbyG…Leopold has EVERY right to work, have a job, speak his mind…..NONE OF US should deny him that right, don’t like him or what he has to say…don’t read it…just like I don’t read most of the MSM
back to the nuts&bolts of elections: you don’t have to be a lawyer to grasp basic election law but it always helps to have one handy to answer questions. Again, political oldtimers know what’s allowed and are glad to share info to help Democrats win elections…
It’s not only netroots the politicians want to squeeze money from and then ignore. They use our tax money and then lie about it. Check out this article from Think Progress:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....s-in-iraq/
Just like bu$h in his speeches, the congress says something publicly (passed an amendment unanimously that says no permanent bases in Iraq), then Friday afternoon when everyone is abuzz about Dead Zarqawi, they strip the provision from both house and senate bills. And who is going to foot the bill for this work (that’s already in progress)? You and me.
John Casper 38, I haven’t checked your link yet, but did you catch Balz misspelling Tom “Mattzie”’s name the other day?
Your post reminds me of my sister’s story of when she began her sparkling new marriage, 2 people used to living alone, lots of hopes and dreams, things to learn about each other … and the first time that the concept of housekeeping dropped in for a visit on their blissful new life … she went to change the sheets, he headed out to shoot some hoops, she threw herself in front of the door and drew him back into the fray … he commented that his mom had always kept house, he didn’t know how to change a pillowcase or clean out a refrigerator, and her reply, “WELL HONEY, LET ME SHOW YOU HOW!” My point is, it’s up to us to set the standard of how we are treated and be ready to back each other up, just like FDL’s does, every time there is some confusion in the minds of those we encounter. Together.
To Christy’s question of where do we go from here:
There is a third option other than boots on the ground or partnership available and that would be to find within netroots people who actually are willing to become politically involved and thus have a direct impact on politics. The best representation of progressives is direct representation, people who are inspired to serve in electable office.
A news article confirming my theory that Ann Coulter slipped away from her tryst with like minded hater and terrorism advocate, Abu Musab Al Zarqawi.
Someone must have given Mata Skanky a headsup.
http://www.rawstory.com/showou.....55,00.html
-GSD
Hey, all. . .
I’m at the airport in Vegas: it’s enabled for public wireless. Very cool. My flight should begin boarding in about 30 minutes.
The establishment wants to coopt the blogosphere. It won’t work.
On the one hand, they want to lure some of the insecure, naive or unprincipled into their orbit, their tribal system of advancement, social access and control. They’ll pick off a few over time.
On the other hand, they want to silence the bite in our voices because that would effectively neuter our effectiveness. Progressive were polite for decades. It got them ignored.
There are many of us who are progressive movement people, whose loyalty is to common people and the common good, even before party. Some of us are not aiming to make a career in politics, and so that gives us greater freedom. Others of us will and should make careers in politics, and make a decent living at it. I hve no problem with them making money. They deserve it. Cashing checks is not selling out if your don’t compromise your integrity or begin to work against the interests of the people as you do it. I know some among us will flame and deride anyone who tries to make some money at this, but they shouldn’t. Watch instead how these budding professionals act, what they say, what they write and who is paying them. We should hold them to accountability, but not automatically flame them.
Mike McCurry is a case in point. He made a bad choice: he represented a corrupt, dishonest client and got called on it, to his own career detriment. He lost his good name, fast. He’s upset about that, and dislikes those he sees as young, naive, angry and judgmental. But if he had simply advsed his client to be honest, and if he had refused to comprimise his own integrity for the sake of his client’s dishonest argument against the consumer and the common good, he would have been fine, if a little less wealthy in the near term. He brought this on himself.
I should stop now. This is beginning to feel more like a post than a comment.
Geez - I am so far behind this morning, it’s killing me.
Adie posted something upthread about being uncomfortable with the snark, and I wanted to respond.
If all the Plame panel had been about was the kind of hate-filled screeching one can hear from the right-wing at any given moment, Adie might have a point. Yes, there was some pointed snark, where appropriate, but all in all, the panel itself quite politely and rationally and articulately, pointed out the failure of the MSM and the administration to report the facts and tell the truth. Sorry, but I think a gentle barb here and there is not only appropriate, but well-deserved.
Yes, it’s true - as my dad used to tell me (frequently) - it’s not just what you say, but how you say it, and we don’t want to be tuned out because our delivery turns people off. However, considering how much there is to be angry about, and how frustrated we are at the magnitude of the fight ahead of us, I think we have shown remarkable restraint, have maintained a level of truth and honesty that is unmatched on the other side of the divide, and we should not cower in fear if we allow ourselves to be human.
Christy, when you have the next free moment to blue-sky some more (hopefully not too long from now), I’d suggest some mental role reversal.
Suppose you’re a progressive candidate now. What can the netroots do for you? Why would going that route be more likely to help you win than just accepting what the consultants would tell you? How would you organize your campaign differently? What, if anything, would you do and say differently in a netroots-based campaign than you would in a conventional one?
I think we have a little experience to draw on, learning from Rodriguez and Busby and Tester and (so far) Lamont. Someday I think we’ll be in a very strong position to help shape policy up-front, but we’re not there yet. We are, however, very good already at vectoring resources to selected campaigns than need help.
Having enough resources to be competitive is a necessary condition for a successful campaign, but it’s not a sufficient condition. Candidate and message also are important. In the cases of Rodriguez and Busby, we helped them get back in the game, but each eventually, barely lost anyway. Tester, stronger on the message/candidate front, won handily. Lamont’s coming on like gangbusters.
So right now, we might be able to fill some resource/enthusiasm gaps for the right candidates/campaigns. Using the resulting clout to shape candidates/campaigns might await more results (i.e., once we’ve demonstrated our formula for winning, we’ll get more campaigns interested and see more willingness to run on a “netroots agenda”, whatever that might be).
If Pachacutec were here he’d recognize this process (if I haven’t buried the lede too deeply) as moving through the Rogers adoption model. Right now, we need (1) a stable, explainable concept of “winning with netroots” and (2) proof that concept works.
Now let’s tie in the Roots Project. This piece is critically important because it bridges from keyboards to votes (or at least resources that are the precursor to votes). This is where the partnership aspect gets paid off, because this is where direct interaction with candidate/campaign closes the feedback loop. We’re giving them what they want, so they need to deliver for us, and they’ll be listening to what we ask.
Eventually, candidates will know what positions to take and how to campaign if they want netroots support. Right now, it’s all a journey of discovery for them and us. But you’re asking (IMVHO) exactly the right question at exactly the right time.
Apologies for the rambling, it’s early here and I’m just getting my first taste of coffee.
Jack Cafferty on CNN quoted approvingly an Email from a viewer snarking that the death of Zarqawi eliminated a suitable marriage prospect for Ann Coulter …
Franco at 65: “Leopold has EVERY right to work, have a job, speak his mind…”
Yup, all that is true but…it is generally thought that a newsperson like Jason, a reporter if you will, is in the business of reporting news!
When that person is given a very public news soapbox and doesn’t report news, but instead gives us idle speculation, I like BobbyG, think he should climb down off that soapbox and go quietly away…sorta like STFU!
The consultant issue is closely related to the bubble issue. The ideas and opinions of knowledgeable people across the country are ignored by the insiders in DC.
When the Center for American Progress was organized, I wrote a letter to John Podesta, suggesting that he not staff it with DC people, but rather reach out across the country, looking for actual policy expertise. I know a guy here who is progressive and smart and enormously experienced dealing with health care issues. He would have made great contributions to the Center.
I did not get a response.
If the blogoverse makes an impact on voting, say in Connecticut, then maybe we can be uneasy partners.
Mad Dogs says
June 12th, 2006 at 7:46 am
Franco at 65: “Leopold has EVERY right to work, have a job, speak his mind…”
Yup, all that is true but…it is generally thought that a newsperson like Jason, a reporter if you will, is in the business of reporting news!
When that person is given a very public news soapbox and doesn’t report news, but instead gives us idle speculation, I like BobbyG, think he should climb down off that soapbox and go quietly away…sorta like STFU!
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Thanks. That was really my only point. Leopold is just wasting bandwidth with his weak speculation. Making himself look silly in the process.
It’s not an idea as much as an observation, but maybe it will spark something for someone else:
Larry Johnson’s presence on the Plame panel was huge, IMO, and highlights something else that FDL is damn good at. Here’s a guy who tells a bunch of progressive bloggers, in essence, “I’m not one of you - I’m a conservative (or I thought I was)”. Why was he there? Because FDL, for all its snark, deals in facts and informed speculation. We challenge not only the media or BushCo, but each other as well. We keep each other honest (see Christy @ 54 - thanks!), and we keep things civil. Sure, we snark, but Jane, Christy, and Pach do a great job at keeping the real trolls at bay.
For folks like Larry, that’s an opening to a discussion. Don’t know where he would stand on tax cuts, corporate mergers, environmental policies, etc., but the fact that we were able to connect with him on an issue of mutual, and paramount concern, says to me that we’re doing a good job here.
We’re figuring out how to talk and act beyond ourselves in ways that others need to learn.
This just in from MSNBC: Hurricane warning issued for Florida coast as Alberto strengthens.
Drudge has a funny picture of a bunch of KOS conventioneers wearing tinfoil hats….
That and he’s trumpeting George W. Bush’s latest accomplishment–an increase in murders and rapes.
-GSD
“From the most wealthy philanthropist trying to use their power, influence and financial windfall to help others through some charitable foundation to the drunken bum passed out in the doorway near some bar in the seediest part of town. There is some value there somewhere — it may just be a little lost.”
Even the bum is just minding his own business. Unlike the “respected” rich folks, like Bush, Cheney, etc. It astonishes me how so many Americans get SO upset by “bums,” yet love the evil wealthy. Not very bright, are they?
I keep hearing about the Dean 50-state strategy, but I’m not sure what it is.
I can tell you, however, all the strategizing in the world is not going to win elections. Getting people to the polls wins elections.
I wish people would wake up to the fact that phone banking is a waste of time, energy and resources. I wish campaign organizations would spend that money and energy getting out the vote on election day.
It’s not brain surgery.
My flight is boarding - bye guys and gals.
I think you/we just keep on keeping on and spend a little less time examining our navels. It too one hundred years from Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation in 1864 to Johnson’s signing of the Civil Rights bill in 1964 for Africans in America to get and keep full voting rights. Justice is a long haul. We Shall Overcome.
Also on MSNBC: “Troop Talks. Bush huddles with aides to weight Iraq strajee.”
Playing politics with soldiers’ lives. This is all about JAR and mid-terms.
Adie, I disagree with you about snark not going over well on TV.
That’s what made The Smothers Brothers so great. And “That Was The Week That Was.” And Laugh-In. And…you get the idea. It’s funny AND true. Barbed truths hit home, you see.
on getting the progressive message out– or not, Kathleen Reardon has some good advice in “The Rope To Hang Themselves’ and Other Non-Liberal Strategies,” on Huffington Post today.
52:
I like your idea that the blogosphere as a meritocracy. It is so true.
That trait makes us (the merit-bestowing readers) an almost elitist group of the exceptionally well-informed. Will we be able to counter this tendency by finding ways to present our abundant knowledge in easily digestible nuggets for the average voter AND the average Pol? I am confident that we will.
(It would be better yet, if we could engage the average non-voter, too, but I would rate that a miracle if it should ever happen.)
*ilson from the previous thread, I’m behind a barracuda for my e-mail, plus I have a lan at home (firewall with that) and a dsl router, and not much gets by these things. Thanks for the concern. The thing is, much, if not most, spam doesn’t even make sense as advertisement. It’s nonsense or keywords. I keep trying to find the purpose behind it all.
lina (83) and all other Firepups with a burning desire to know:
Collection of the efforts to date on 50-State Strategy:
http://www.democrats.org/a/par....._strategy/
Documentation from the 50-State Strategy Kickoff:
http://www.democrats.org/a/200....._agend.php
One more link to follow in a separate comment.
READ IT. IT’S NOT JUST PHONEBANKING. It’s highly focused. However there remains a crying need to do phonebanking as well as canvassing so