
Scene: Deep in the bowels of the underground complex beneath the White House, 4:35am. A heavy-set technician in a bulky boiler suit is standing at a console in a Batcave-like assemblage of huge machines covered in blinking lights. Clouds of white fog belch from the floor. There is a humming of massive engines throbbing somewhere out of sight. A second, pretty young female technician in a white lab coat enters the room.
"Hank," she says, "I’m going to need you to do another rapid-thaw."
Hank, in his greasy boiler suit, sets down his pastrami sandwich on the edge of the console and sighs, rolling his eyes. He picks up a clipboard, "Who is it dis time, Theresa? Gingrich?"
"No, Hank," says Theresa, pushing a stray tendril of her brown hair behind her ear, "It’s Matalin."
"Again?!" says Hank, "We keep doin’ dese rapid thaws, she’s gonna lose some functionality. Is it that bad? Can’t we use O’Beirne this time?"
"No," says Theresa, "The engineers are still having problems with that rasping sound when she walks and her teeth aren’t right. Besides, they’ve got to float a real stinker this time. Matalin’s probably the only one that will do it."
"Christ," Hank shakes his head, "I can maybe have her ready in an hour. She doin’ Matthews this time?"
"Imus."
"Jesus, this is a bad one, then."
"It’s the blowback from the Coulter thing. Karl says we need someone to back her up before people start asking about the real issues, you know, what the 9/11 widows were upset about to begin with."
"Christ. That bag o’ bones is a more trouble…. I need to get her back in and service her mother board before long."
"That’s nice, Hank, but get Matalin ready. We only have a couple hours before she’s due in makeup."
"Yeah, I’ll have her ready."
An hour later, Hank is standing before a tube filled with glowing green liquid. A form vaguely distinguishable as human floats in the tube. He taps a series of buttons.
"Ending Warm Liquid Goo Phase…," a soothing female voice says from overhead.
The level of green liquid drops in the tube and we can see that the form inside is Mary Matalin, nude and blinking dazedly in the harsh lights, "Where…?" she mutters.
"I’m coming, Mary!" calls Hank, "We’re gonna putcha on TV again, honey."
"On…? Teee veeee…?" she echoes.
Theresa strides into the room, checking her watch. "Is she ready, Hank? The limo’s here."
"Dammit, Theresa," says Hank, "You can’t rush this process. You can damage the units!" He clicks more buttons and throws a lever. The walls of the tube slide into the floor. Hank walks from around the pedestal to the MataTron, a propaganda and protocol droid that has been years in the making. "Can ya hear me, Mary?" he says to her, peering into her eyes.
"We’ll be right back after this!" says MataTron, blinking rapidly, "Kate O’Beirne, what do you think? Airplane! Big JET PLANE! WOWEE WOWEE!! I love George Bush! He’s a pilot! Big PLANE! I like PLANES!" Her eyes roam wildly around the room, but don’t focus.
"That doesn’t sound like her software," says Theresa, looking worried.
"No, it don’t," agrees Hank, "But whose is it?"
MataTron smiles vacantly, "Planes. George Bush is just like Abraham Lincoln!"
"Oh," says Hank, disgustedly, "It’s Chris Matthews."
"I like boobies!" says the MataTron, "M-O-O-N, that spells BOOBIES!!"
"What’s she doing playing his signal?" asks Theresa.
"I told you, with the rapid thaw, you have to wait a while between uses. Their systems start to degrade from the strain." He goes back to the console and makes some adjustments. MataTron’s eyes roll back and her body goes limp for a second. Theresa catches her before she can fall over.
"Ick!" says Theresa, "What’s this goo they store them in, anyway?"
"You don’t want to know that, honey," he says.
The MataTron’s eyes snap open wide and she says, "Mama? Is Daddy ever coming home?"
"There we go," says Hank, "Now, give me a minute to load her talking points and shoot her up with Adderal and IV Valium and she’s all yours."
"I’ll tell the driver to sit tight," says Theresa, "She looks a little rough."
"Yeah," says Hank, "We might need to do this one by phone."
Hours later on the Don Imus Show:
IMUS: What did you make of the Ann Counter deal?
MATLIN: I take her larger point that in the absence of being able to make persuasive arguments you throw out messengers that — can’t be — it’s politically incorrection to argue with, you know the verbiage is a little, a little stressful.
IMUS: So you thought her comments about these women…
MATLIN: I take her larger point, which is —
IMUS: Why can’t you comment on her calling these women harpies.
MATLIN: Because that’s not her point. That’s completely not her point.
IMUS: Well no, but saying that they were happy their husbands got killed and were going to divorce them. And yeah, that they’re getting long in the tooth. Maybe they ought to think about appearing in Playboy, which is an option.
MATLIN: What do you think about her point? Her point that you can’t — you know Cindy Sheehan — if you throw yourself in the political arena, then you should be able to address political issues, and people should be able to speak back to you.
IMUS: I agree with her point.
MATLIN: Well, then that’s what I agree with.
IMUS: But i think it’s repugnant and repulsive and gutless to, and cheap and cheesey to call these women all these names. I mean, whether it’s right or not, it’s just something there’s just. You don’t go there.
MATLIN: That’s her stock and trade.
IMUS: But i’m surprised that you won’t condemn her for these repugnant remarks.
MATLIN: I don’t know her. I haven’t read the book.
IMUS: You don’t have to know her. You know what Hitler did. Did you you him? You condemn what he did.
MATLIN: Are you comparing her to Hitler?
IMUS: No, I’m not. Of course not.
MATLIN: This is the point. This is complete the point she’s making. These lefty crazy people go around calling us [unintelligible] and Hitlers and Nazis and everything and nobody say anything. She calls somebody a harpy and you’d think that the whole world was on fire.
Immediately after successful completion of her mission, MataTron suffered another system error and was put back into storage in anticipation of her upcoming fundraising dinner for Scooter Libby.
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jayakroyd
If you see this look for my message at the end of the previous thread.
The image comes to us courtesy of Princess Sparklepony. For some reason I can’t insert the link into the post from home. Firefox just keeps crashing on me.
The Firedoglake RSS feed has been broken for several days now. Can somebody take look please?
nobody yet?
ok. me then
FITZ!
That green ooze is the snot that comes out of Rush Limbaugh’s nose when he has, sweaty sex with Sean Hannity…..
The fundamental premise is all wrong.
Who is saying that you can’t respond to these women?
Nobody.
In fact, from what I can remember, the only thing these women banded together formally to ask for was a proper investigation of 9-11. And they were dismissed by the MSM as being “activist widows”. In other words, it was the establishment that refused to have the conversation.
Ick.
Nevertheless, TRex, I take your larger point.
ROTFLMAO!
I’m back I had to wash my hands….
Yikes! lmao and etc.
Oh, and the response to “Are you comparing X to Hitler?”
should be
“So you won’t answer my question?”
Trexus, I just now finished reading that and then came here to see that you’re on the dial. Mary Matalin cannot change her tune one iota if her life depended on it. Man, she is swamped. None of anything she said made any sense whatsoever. This is one of Deadeye Dick’s closest advisors? Spare me the tissue, Maggie.
Great piece, TRex, I love it.
The sci-fi set-up is just perfect for an insane interview.
Brought back memories of “West World”.
Sorry, but I just have to share this: Tonight I fetched the old turntable from the closet — along with the Smith’s The Queen is Dead… Thank god I don’t have to go to work tomorrow!
TRex,
ROFL!
Mary and Ann, sitting in a tree. K-I-S-S-I-N-G
Last thread not long enough, 42 posts, wtf? Natural rhythm jarred. Anyway was about to tell Matt O. he’s a Greek god in all that matters, whether I ever see him or not.
Damn apostophes. I meant: the Smiths’ The Queen is Dead
I think Coulter and Mata are trying to say if you’re not in line with Bushie, then you’re being political. And if you’re being political, then we can argue with your statements. Except that we can’t because we’re hopelessly ignorant media whores, so we’ll just call you names and make a lot of noise and get angry when you ask us what we’re doing.
No, that can’t be it.
dr nobody 14 – the Smiths are the best band to ever exist and The Queen is Dead is their ultimate.
Really great post T. How can Mary Matalin live with herself, how can any of them? How can Carville sleep with this? It’s sickening, and he’s as evil as she.
tpres2000 #13:
“Where nothing can go worng.”?
So I broke into the palace
With a sponge and a rusty spanner,
She said, “Oh, I know you and you cannot sing!”
I said, “That’s nothing, you should hear me play piano!”
Greatest rock lyrics ever.
Frankly, Mr. Matthews, since you asked,
You are a flatulent pain in the arse!
I do not mean to be so rude.
Still I must speak frankly Mr. Tweety,
Oh, give us money…
TRex!!!! Somehow I fixed it.
The Firedoglake RSS feed has been broken for several days now.
It’s been working fine for me. I use FeedReader 3.02
Good work, VG. You are the Hermione Granger of FDL. I mean that as a compliment.
EPU’ed and OT in one!
I’ve been on a plane all day and haven’t caught up on all the threads and comments, but in case this hasn’t been mentioned, apropos of the discussion yesterday (was it only yesterday?) –
Swopa (with a bit of smart-aleck attitude) reports that:
Sharkbabe #16- without getting into details on that, here’s my take- some people are on time with their posts, and some people are late.
Trex has good timing.
Kids, I am finishing up the last of the Sunday night cleaning here and I have to log off to clean around the computer. Back in a bit.
TRex, I am so pleased with myself. First, I’ll finally read your post. Second, I’ll figure out who Hermione Granger is. If I am not happy about part 2, I will steal your kitty.
Sharkbabe @ June 11th, 2006 at 8:25 pm
Ay, the guitar lick from How Soon Is Now. My own personal LA soundtrack. Lots of exquisite memories there.
We are human, etc…. Maybe we oughta lock Cheney in a room and play it for him for, oh, about six months straight. I bet he’d confess then, eh?
Hermione Granger is the smartest coolest gal in all fiction!
TRex, now that was WAY too funny! more, more MORE of the same genre, please!!!
Moreover the Smiths anticipated Cheney and PNAC
I know it’s over, still I cling
I don’t know where else I can go
Next week on Meet The Press:
The three dead, suicide terror supects from Guantanimo Bay will address Tim Russert and the All Star Panel as to how effective their attack on the US has been and how they plan on carrying out their brilliant PR campaign even though they are dead.
-GSD
Greetings from long time lurker, occasional poster, huge fdl fan, favorite brother of op99.
I am so jealous of evbdy who went to ykos in Vegas ! Thank you opp99 for updates,and introductions (via cell phone) to fellow FDLers. The excitment of finally meeting in person Jane, Christy, Pach, and the great and prolific comenters on FDl must have been overwhelming! Thankyou all for expanding my political savy beyond MSM . That is all. Back to lurking and learning!
epu,d from last post
My friend called my mother a whore who makes terrible lasagna.
After I punched him in the mouth for insulting my mother, he said that I missed the “larger point” about her terrible lasagna.
-GSD
Republicans as we all know talk in code. Ann Coulter has truly stepped in it this time “talking out of school”. And Matilin runs to and Santorum runs from. What say you Ken Melhman? LOL
TRex
Brilliant. If I hadn’t read your intro I simply would not have understood why Matalin spoke the way she did.
But since she did, who will ask Carville if he agrees with his wife.
Was he outraged to hear her agree with Coulter, even if it is “just politics”?
And is he outraged with Coulter’s statement? Does he think these women have any shame?
And if he doesn’t find either of their statements outrageous, why does he call himself a Democrat?
Hermione Granger is the smartest witch of her age. Total compliment.
I tell you, I am so angry. I have no idea what the current thread is about or what any of the threads have been about since Jane suggested that Boxer may be an idoit. After hearing Boxer’s weak excuses in her Q&A on C-Span at Yearly Kos, I called her an idiot on this blog. Oh, we can’t impeach, oh, we are the minority party, oh, we have no power, oh we can’t fight for civil liberties, just elect Democrats and all will be fine – ya da ya da. Just as I don’t care if you want to marry a rabbit, I don’t care which party you are from as long as you are a leader and fighter for our Constitution and Bill of Rights. NO EXCUSES! SPEAK LOUDLY! I AM A PATRIOT! I’ve been busy composing written letters to my Senators about Net Neutrality. I contacted my Representative by fax and phone prior to his vote. I contacted my Senators Friday by phone and fax. I now have letters to send tomorrow. How are you spending your time? It’s time to stop telling everyone how cute they are and move into action!
TRex,
I read Hermione Gingold for Hermione Granger and thought your allusion flew way over my head.
Granger I get! lol
*ooabby — It was nice to meet you on the phone. op99 was my bestest friend at YK, even if I was bad luck at the craps table.
lordy, TRex, I got smoke coming out of my ears
*ooabby @ 34—I’m equally jealous that you have such a great sister but the word is out that she’s a closeted bible thumper.
That was funny! And pretty accurate too. Thanks!
Thank you to whoever it was who posted Dr. Freeman’s response to Manjoo in Salon. That tears it. THE EFFING ELECTION WAS STOLEN!
Writing about whether the shenanigans were enough to sway the election toward Kerry (which I have never understood- who cares if it was enough- it’s enough that they made the attempt):
GSD (35) – bwa-hahahahah!!
Hey, I just realized tomorrow is the first real day of Summer Vacation for my kids…and the first day I have to “home school” them. We agreed that I would teach them every other weekday about the Constitution, that they would learn the Preamble and the Amendments by heart.
Jeepers, I have to start on lesson plan with learning aids pronto!!
DexDexter — save your anger for those who deserve it (which you seem to have a pretty good handle on, for the most part.) We do a lot of action around here, but we’re capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time, so we don’t have to stop doing the things that make it fun and that maintain our community in order to take action.
I’ll be hammering on Net Neutrality tomorrow when the offices are open. I’ll be working my precinct for the primary we’re having on Tuesday, and I’ll be doing lots of stuff in the coming days. Right now I’m recovering from jet lag and hanging with my friends.
Encouraging action is good and effective. Berating people for not dropping everything and getting to doing what you think is most important right now will get you ignored, at best. That’s just the way people are.
TRex- ohmigodd!! I am truly howling with laughter having finally read your post… actually, the howling with laughter started well before I finished reading. I don’t remember laughing this hard about *anything* else in recent memory. This is absolutely f*ing brilliant!!! Absolutely a FDL classic.
redshift 41 craps can sneak up and bite you in the ass! but it is fun to play sometimes we win!
rbg 34 rofl
Rayne,
Check out Youtube. You can probably get some of the Schoolhouse Rock snippets…The Bill..The Preamble and many more goodies.
-GSD
sunny at 45: I’ll have to read that when I have more of a brain. Sounds like exactly what I’ve been saying — whether they successfully stole it or just tried to steal it makes no difference to what we need to do in response. Either way, it’s an affront to democracy and decency and must be stopped. This makes Manjoo’s article, intentionally or not, nothing more than a smokescreen, leading into the weeds of a debate rather than the clarity of action (if you’ll pardon the mixed metaphor.)
After Matalin’s defense of Cheney shooting his friend in the face…
…this was probably a cake walk. Then, to make sure people didn’t get caught up in all the questions about the shooting, Mary served to remind us of the “larger point” of it being the old fart’s fault. TRex, she can sleepwalk though this sort of shit.
So glad you enjoyed it, VG.
I’m going to grab something to eat now. The house is finally clean. The kitties have both started to maybe forgive me for running the vaccum cleaner.
Attack Carville. A slant on questions to Frist. Question ANY R team politician. There are SO many ways to attack the R team on Coulter’s lunacy.
There’s a number of reasons why Rover has been effective. ONE of them is his “sledgehammer” approach. He’ll find ONE little opening in the D team, and pound at it….over and over and over.
We need to do the same thing. And this is a big opening. “Leading Republican voice, Ann Coulter, etc etc”. EVERY D team member of Congress ought to be in the bully pulpit right now….howling like a mad dog over Coulter’s mess.
THIS IS a time to attack. THIS IS a battle to take up. Query: perhaps the net-roots ought to flood D team offices with demands that the D teamer publicly denounce “leading republican voice, Ann Coulter”.
Go For Broke on this one. All upside….no downside.
Ghostman
What Redshift said, Dex. Some of us spent our weekend canvassing, some of us spent our weekend developing community tools, some of us have already written and called a week ago about Net Neutrality…
The issue of the stolen election is incredibly important. But, late nite FDL is not the best place to weigh in on that and expect serious attention. This, and every thing else that has been brought to you by Bushco is incredibly depressing at times, and there is nothing like a good late nite laugh on occasion to help us keep our spirits up.
I think we should all take a page out of the newest right wing spin point….
“But the larger point is”….Next time a Democrat gets smeared over some patheically percieved outrage.
-GSD
“John Kerry called Mary Cheney a lesbian, but the larger point was that Dick and Lynn love her”.
-GSD
Dex, that thread on Boxer was a difficult one for me. Boxer has done some good things, but she can’t really get anywhere. And the reason she can’t get anywhere is because she’s walking around supporting people like Liebermann, just for the sake of being clubby. If she wants her votes to remain mostly symbolic, then she’s on the right path. IF she wants to work with more progressive colleagues to effect real change, then she’s really blowing it. To suggest that she can’t sit on a committee and disagree with another member of the committee because it would be uncomfortable or awkward, is beyond my comprehension. I don’t care how awkward these people feel when it comes to standing up for our rights. This is not an episode of Seinfeld we’re talking about, It’s our country and it’s our people. She can’t remain oblivious to the consequences of choosing the good ol’ boys club.
VG, RE: election shenanigans – check this out:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000875.php
And be sure to read the story its sourced from.
Or how about…
“There are some who say the larger point is…”
GSD, you always post important information and a good laugh as well. You crack me up. Every single time.
tryggth,
“%u2026this was probably a cake walk. Then, to make sure people didn’t get caught up in all the questions about the shooting, Mary served to remind us of the “larger point” of it being the old fart’s fault. TRex, she can sleepwalk though this sort of shit.”
I get their “attempted” nuanced crap, including Ann Coulter’s. Does their base? I doubt it.
GSD (50) — GMTA…I was looking through YouTube about the same time you suggested it. No such luck. Some of the grammar ones, but not the Constitution or even my fave, “I’m just a Bill”.
I’m going to have to take my lumps and simply whip out the old American History text book and start from there, beginning with the Stamp Act and the Boston Tea Party and everything that led up to the first Continental Congress and the Preamble.
And that’s Monday…
Every other day we are doing the Bible, starting Tuesday with Genesis. It’s my hair shirt, in a manner of speaking, for evacuating the Catholic Church to become a recovering Catholic. Think I have a handle on the Bible studies, found a nice multi-faith book from the mid-60’s that works nicely.
But Wednesday…the Second Continental Congress and the first Articles. Ouch. I’m going to need a lot of monkey chow to get through an hour on this one.
GSD 35 – brilliant framing
tryggth- I will have to bookmark that link and read it later, because I am way past tired. Thanks, tho. One of the ironies of the YK thing, however, is that Armando has been incredibly dismissive of the whole election fraud issue. One of his comments on this so pissed me off that I stopped reading dKos. This whole issue makes me really angry, and I hope that there is more discussion on FDL during “normal business hours”.
Cozumel @ 63 -
The hardcore 20% base? Nah, they just need to know the newest secret handshake. But it might embarrass those Republican’s who have crossed over in the JAR ratings. Well, I’m hoping.
I read somewhere that Matalan is Cheney’s former aide.. did I miss this? Can someone clue me in?
OT, for all except Plameologists….
Libby faces pre-trial status hearing Monday
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13231479/
you know the verbiage is a little, a little stressful.
I’d like one of whatever she is having please, bartender.
tryggth (60) — holy crap, no kidding about that original story source…
Damn. Hope somebody has been following this guy’s mouth around for more treasures.
Jay,
A quick trip to Hacky-Pedia.
(Snip)
“She was an assistant to President George W. Bush and counselor to Vice President Dick Cheney until 2003. In April 2004, she published the book Letters to My Daughters. In March of 2005, Matalin was chosen to run a new conservative publishing imprint at Simon & Schuster.
LOOKS LIKE MATALIN’S CLOVEN PRINTS ARE ALL OVER THE MARY CHENEY BOOK TOO…
ALSO, LOOKS LIKE THAT GOLDEN WEB SPINNER NEAR THE RED HOURGLASS MARKING ON HER ASS WILL COME IN HANDY TO FEND OFF THE RACIST CHARGES AGAINST GEORGE ALLEN…I WAS KINDA HOPPING SHE WOULD SIT THE 2008 ELECTION OUT….NO SUCK LUCK.
In April 2006, she was appointed Treasurer of Virginia Republican Senator George Allen’s re-election committee. Allen is widely tipped as a likely presidential candidate in 2008.
No SUCH luck….
Pun, Meta, thanks.
G’Night Rayne and the rest.
-GSD
One thing I’d like to see at some point is a bit of a post-mortum on YKos specifically from FDLers, Perhaps even (if it pleases the court) in a separate thread.
Specifically, I’d like to get beyond all the “he/she is so cool/wonderful/hot”, and “wow this is such a great event” type comments. Not that there’s anything inappropriate about such chit chat, but I’m much more interested in the substantive outcomes.
I’d love to hear from those of you who attended and those who followed it closely about what the event accomplished (IYHO). Are there action items you came away with you’d care to discuss? Joint projects in the works? Seeds that got planted? What useful things will, could or might occur because of YKos? Set any goals?
I certainly understand that there may be some things which cannot/should not be discussed publicly until they are more fully developed but I’d like hear about any strategy sessions that were not uh, on super-secret double background. :)
It might be useful to wait for a couple of days before doing this — to give everyone a chance to digest everything put the event in perspective.
sunny:
“Dr. Freeman’s response to Manjoo in Salon”
I must have missed it in a previous thread – could you repost like please. Thanks
Jay at 9:23
Matalin did work for Cheney–and for Bush.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Matalin
She was more recently pressed into service to defend the s.o.b. after he shot an old man in the face while drunkenly hunting cage-raised quail in the company of two women neither of whom was his wife.
Arrgh, should read “could you repost link, please”
Rayne – you mean this site ?
http://www.school-house-rock.com/Prea.html
Kos has a couple of donation buttons up on his front page for Gina who organized YKos and ct who keeps things running behind the scenes.
For those that may not know it, Gina is the one who said “let’s do this” and then saw it through and made it happen all on her time and dime. It wasn’t Kos or anyone else who hired her to do it. So show her some love if you can.
And ct found out that a truck drove through his house leaving his daughter’s crib on the back lawn and his office trashed.
If he hadn’t been at Ykos, we might have been sharing a tragedy. (The Lord moves in myterious ways, eh Pat Robertson?)
And hopefully, the powers that be here will make another mention or two of this over the next few days as people come around?
Clouter’s thing about “the Democrats trot these people out that we can’t respond to” makes me laugh.
For one, she thinks “the Democrats” are like some top-down organization that has the ability to “trot” anyone out and make some commercial or appear before Congress, and that is completely laughable.
The women whose husbands were killed banded together, of their own accord, because of what happened.
Just like the people who started MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving).
Somebody’s probably posted this, but ouch! Oops I mean hahahahahaha
June 09, 2006
Mary Cheney’s book sells fewer than 6,000 copies since release
Despite saturation media coverage when it was published a month ago, Mary Cheney’s book Now It’s My Turn has tanked at bookstores. Published by a conservative imprint of Simon & Schuster, the memoir has sold fewer than 6,000 copies to date, according to Nielsen Bookscan.
The book’s sales have declined in each of the four weeks since its release, to only 574 copies sold for the week ending June 3. That’s 77% fewer than its first-week sales of 2,445.
At this rate, it will be virtually impossible for Simon & Schuster to recoup the reported $1 million advance it paid Cheney for the book, which describes her life as the gay daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney. (The Advocate)
Sharkbabe @ 9:43:
Couldn’t happen to a Bigger Dick-ette!
Salon.com on YKos; it gets off to a vacuous start (a la “who’s party was better?”), but that’s really to set up the piece as it steadies:
what, no weenies?
Rayne @ 71 -
3 million in
blackmailcoverupdefense funds from the RNC. “limited modified hangout” comes to mind.Sharkbabe:
> Mary Cheney’s book sells fewer than 6,000 copies since release
Excellent! Now if we could just get the public to respond similarly to Coulter, Malkin, Savage, Limbaugh, O’Riley, etc….
punaise
Thanks for the quote from the Scherer article. As I posted last, I agree with Anderson
Margot @ 9:41 pm (#81) – The truth about Coulter’s statement struck me today. Of course you can disagree with widows, and you can say they’re wrong. What I think really has Coulter and the rest of her kind flustered is you have to be respectful while you’re doing it. You can’t call them harpies, can’t impugn their patriotism, and you certainly can’t say they enjoyed their husbands’ deaths (unless you have videos, of course). And that’s what has them stumped!
I’m probably not the first to come up with this (human relations not being a specialty of mine), but I did think of it on my own, which should show that it’s a fairly obvious point.
Ed N STed @ 9:52 pm – (#86) Now if we could just get the public to respond similarly to Coulter
It may be too late on Coulter. I saw her book in the bestsellers rack at Borders today. Thirty percent discount, BTW.
Cujo359 @ 88 -
Hadn’t really thought about the basis of their insanity, but I think you are on to something there.
Oh, TRex! Out of my office there arose such a clatter, my (temporary) housemates had to run in to see what was the matter.
Imagine their surprise to see me, standing next to my desk, chair overturned, my front of my nightshirt dripping wet from spewed coffee and I’m literally laughing so hard I could hardly stand.
I assured them that I had not been smoking some secret stash but it was just my normal reaction to Late Nite FDL. After letting them read your post, all are smiling and happy here in the cabin by the creek.
Perfect cap to a wonderful weekend of doing Vegas vicariously via FDL. Thank you.
Republicans are not going to buy a book from a lesbian and Democrats are not going to buy a book from a Cheney. :)
Cujo359 at 9:58pm
This is a truth that gives real heartburn. How is it possible that so many people…
Ed N STed, you’re welcome.
“Dr. Freeman’s response to Manjoo in Salon”
apparently this piece was not on salon.com; I’ve done a search there to no avail.
(just curious, anybody: when I provide a salon.com link, does it go straight to the piece, or do you have to sit through a commercial?):
*ooabby, op99 took me out Thursday night and tried, with only partial success, to teach me craps. I had a great time. I must be good luck – at the end of the night, we were both up (she quite a bit! me not so much but it was all cuzza her). Give her a hug for me.
Just returned from YKos… what a hoot. No I was not ruined by the Warner event. Actually was there for about 1 1/2 hrs, grazed on the food, did not drink because I was the desigated driver.
BTW Heard this on Laura Flanders Air America while driving home… she was interviewing someone about activisim and there was some banter about Yearlykos and then some discussion about the increasing porn found & accessed on the internet… THEN Laura Flanders let loose with this…”Maybe that is what they are doing at Yearlykos!”
Damn what a dumb statement…
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*ooabby – Please have op99 call or email me to let me know how she is doing? Thanks
punaise:
I think I found it:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/f…..2/freeman/
Ed N STed, merci. guess I gave up too soon.
“The engineers are still having problems with that rasping sound when she walks and her teeth aren’t right.”
Lordy, TRex. There you go again. (wiping away tears of laughter) Wish you had been in Vegas.
Hi Katymine. Glad to see you’re home safe.
Ed N STed at 75: After I’m over jetlag, I’ll try to have a go at that (though we’ve got a primary here on Tuesday, so I can’t promise I’ll have much time.) I wasn’t in any double-super-secret background sessions, so I can talk about anything I remember.
Hi, mommybrain! Say hi to the whole brain family for me!
You too Mommybrain… Great drive home except being pissed at Laura Flanders. What a ditz… I know that what she said was just in jest…
Miss Tuesday was excited to have mom back home…
Redshift at 101
Thanks. Not a huge hurry – like I said, a brief period of digestion might be a good thing.
I hoping others will want to comment on this as well. These types of events can sometimes be very useful and at other times, well, not so much. The impression I get so far is that everyone who attended found it worthwhile — but I haven’t heard many “where we go from here” type comments.
I look forward to your post. Thanks again.
Redshift & EdNSted—I’m hustling for the next few days trying to catch up for the time I snuck away to Vegas, but perhaps we could open up a Wednesday or Thursday evening comments section for some reflection on YKos. That should give everyone a chance to let the excitement and/or hangovers subside.
Mommybrain & Katymine—you in?
Jane…whaddya think?
Love it…. anyone find a picture of the hug that Michael Shivo gave me please let me know…
Hi all!
I’m surprised nobody has talked about Mark Warner’s speaking voice, which I think lacks Presidential timbre. But that’s just me, all superficial stuff! Glad to hear those of you who went to his party weren’t all converted, which seems to be the point of the salon article.
Oh, one more thing: what Rob said about who buys books, also Sharkbabe’s numbers yield this result: Mary Cheney’s publisher has spent over $160 in advance on each book sold so far, not including the marketing expenses and Matalin’s cut. Remember, this is the debut of S&S’s new conservative imprint, helmed by Matalin….
Here’s my yk commentary from a previous thread — nice to hear you are all home safely!
Hi everybody!
I’m home now, exhausted after catching a 6am plane from Las Vegas, which may be a wonderful town — but I never left the Riv, so who knows?
Kinda feel like I’m in a timewarp, there and not there, so’s here’s my quick take on yk:
My favorite moments:
1. Hugs from zennurse, they’re absolutely the best!
2. Christy inviting His Hairness into our fdl caucus, who then made a beeline for Matt O’s corner and sat on the floor at Matt’s feet. hmmm…
3. op99: “I got a pony!”
4. Sitting with the brain family while we all yelled to Harry to give ‘em hell!
5. Watching Mr. ReddHedd, proud as punch, as were we all, during both of the panels Christy sat on.
6. Being really glad that Jane is completely unwilling to compromise about the issues that matter. And hoping Barbara Boxer kicks some ass on her staff.
7. Reading through the comments this morning and wishing ALL of you had been there — and very happy to have met and laughed with all of you who were!
There’s more to say, and I will later. Suffice to say it was all a little Matrix-y, meeting everybody as they folded from their digitial to their real selves. But at least I’m back where I belong. Sleep now, talk to you all later…
TSF – thanks for the report
I just realized another reason why Boxer should not have been surprised about the Lieberman questions: Markos appeared in a Lamont commercial!
Redshift – hey, say hi to Virginia for me. I’m dry as a bone from driving slowly through the desert – Sunday traffic from Vegas is at a snail’s pace. At one point we were going so slow that a guy in a Navigator bummed a cigarette from the guy in the Hummer next to him. I’m still digesting the weekend but I still feel bouyed, energized. I hope I can distill it in a few days, when my brain recovers. so much to think about, talk about, do. Good luck with your primary. Do you like Tim what’s his name? Did you like Warner?
Katymine – We stopped for dinner at our favorite Mediterranean restaurant before going home. There was a graduation party going on, hookahs set on the floor in front of the men, a bellydancer winding her long blue scarf around the neck of a blushing teen who dares not get up to dance with her. It was the perfect way to unwind before coming home to our meow-less house. Sigh. Luke wants to go get her from the vet tomorrow before he goes to school so he can say hi.
well, the ‘Freeman responds to Manjoo‘ piece is an eye-opener. WPDs (Within Precinct Disparities) are the new WMDs.
Shorter version: something’s rotten in the state of Ohio. and Pennsylvania. and Florida, etc.
his conclusion:
oh, and redshift, good luck in your primary Tuesday. Hoping for the best for Virginia Democrats!
Please go give Laura Flanders a piece of your mind for saying we were out looking for porn at Yearlkos…. Still pissed and I heard her say that 5 hours ago!
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My favorite moments:
1. meeting ALL the FDl’ers
2. Talking to Amb Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson
3. Giving Michael Schiavo a hug
4. Being surrounded by progressives for 4 days 24/7, hey I’m from a Red state what do you expect…
5. Meeting Taylor Marsh
6. Plame CIA Spy panel
Suggestion is also a post with all the links to the pictures posted about YKos…
Mommybrain,
Glad you got home safely, you and the family.
It was so much fun getting to know you and watching the sprout carry the anti-shrub torch everywhere he went.
OT all, Dood is at it again with a brilliant piece of photoshopping over at My Left Wing. This time he goes after our own, but mainly those who deserve it.
It is one of those ROTFLMAO, SCT posts.
TSF- I emailed Matt O with a link to your comment. #2 deserves his attention. Too, too funny!
Cujo – You miss the point of Coulter. She is the car wreck, you are supposed to look at her; that is why she says ridiculous things, makes ridiculous points.
So now the issue isn’t what the widows point of view is/was/may be. i.e. their criticism or whatever of Chimpy, it is about the “Media” or Coulter or whatever. Its just another money paying gig for Coulter – remember the words opportunistic asshole – and another diversion from any discussion of the real issues.
They (and she) really are that easy to figure out. Key in on the “Hitler,” the “debate” becomes about the “debate,” not about the issues. They know they can’t win on issues, so they change the subject.
Yeah, they really are that easy to figure out. The whole liberal media thing isn’t about the stories that are reported, it is all to change the subject to make sure that no stories are REALLY reported.
RBG – yeah, I think I’ll be ready by then. Right now, I’m going to bed and relive my encounters with Stirling Newberry. He’s my Geek God.
(Well, the YKos giddiness appears to have waned, and while it may no longer be kosher to do so, after a posting a tease picture of a thumbtack I guess I owe it to Valley Girl at least to crawl out from under my rock ever so briefly.)
Comments on Freeman’s rebuttal of Manjoo’s rebutttal of Kennedy’s …
Link here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/f…..2/freeman/
Under Are exit polls usually accurate?
Misdirection. Essentially, Freeman states that exit polls are accurate because they’re well funded and people trust them. No actual case studies are referred to here. The only authoritative reference is Mark Blumenthal, but if you read between the lines of what he’s quoted as saying, there’s always room for doubt. When situations change, polls may be less accurate.
Under Do the exit polls indicate a Kerry electoral victory?
Freeman cites a poll that is secretive and has never fully explained how it does its predictions, and then says that the initial prediction of a Kerry win was accurate and the later one was just made up to fit the result. What’s wrong with this picture?
Under Could the discrepancy between the exit poll results and the official count have been due to chance or random error?
By a method that you’ll have to read his book to understand, Freeman asserts that the chance of the exit polls in all three swing states of being one in 600,000. I calculate, using a method you will be able to read in my forthcoming book, that the chance of such an error is 1 to 1 under some circumstances, and 1 to 1 million in others.
I’ll give you a hint, though. If the polls in all three states are flawed in the same way, which way do you think the odds will be?
Under Oh crap, enough already!
Maybe his book will explain all this, but I’m not holding my breath. It’s pretty obvious I’m not convinced, and as I’ve said before, I’m a lot more likely to trust the judgement of people who ask the right questions than of people who seem too sure of their answers.
And no, I’m not really writing a book. If you want a good book to read, that I probably would have written if it hadn’t been written already, I’d suggest Why People Believe Wierd Things by Micheal Shermer. I’m not being a wiseass. It’s a good guide for skeptically evaluating claims like these.
TRex — anothr brilliant Late Nite! I think I will become such a letdown.
I screwed up my reservation, thought I’d made a noon flight to Portland but turned out it was midnight. Bugger. I get into Portland at 2am and then have to drive for 2 1/2 hrs. to Newport. Could’ve changed my flight to a decent hour tomorrow but gotta see my boy. And my girls. Need to sleep in the poodle pile again.
Earlier today someone suggested naming this year’s storms after all the GOP crooks and miscreants. Well, they’re off to a good start.
from msnbc.com:
Storm watch
Florida prepares for Tropical Storm Alberto.
aka “Hurricane Abu”
punaise @ 11:05 pm (#121) – Hmm, suppose next up is Hurricane Barbara?
Josh Marshall has a late post on net neutrality. Basically, it’s an introduction to the list TPM will be compiling on which Senators need to feel some constituent pressure.
Also, this may have already been mentioned, but just now on BBC: One of the three Gitmo suicides was a guy scheduled for release, having been deemed “not a threat”, but hadn’t been told.
Jane Hamsher @ 10:59 pm (#120) – Good grief! You just about could have driven home in that time. Try to rest so you don’t fall asleep on the way home. BTW, 3-4 AM is the time of minimal wakefulness for human beings. So, if you have any doubts about driving home from the airport …
TRex – Thanks for the late-nite giggles!
Jane – Have a safe flight and a safer drive!
JWR @ 11:11 pm (#123) – One of the three Gitmo suicides was a guy scheduled for release, having been deemed “not a threat”, but hadn’t been told.
Dammit. This Gitmo thing is reprehensible.
cujo:
Barabara (Bush? Comstock?) or Bob (Ney)
Conrad (Burns)
Duke (Cunningham)
Thanks, Cujo. I got good sleep last night and I’ll sleep on the plane, I’m very anxious to get back to the kids.
bon voyage Jane, give a little wave to the Bay Area as you pass overhead….
JWR @ 11:11 pm (#123) – Well, Washingtonians, Josh Marshall labels Sens. Murray and Cantwell as part of the “fingers in the wind crowd”. I guess we know what we need to do tomorrow …
Dammit. This Gitmo thing is reprehensible.
they’ve got a lot of nerve to spin it as an “act of war”. bastards.
Ed (Gillespie)
Frank (Luntz)
Welcome home, Jane! I’m sure you will sleep well tonight.
I just saw the last part of MTP — Markos did okay, but Byron York was more polished. TV is a cool medium, and Kos was a bit too expressive and animated (hot) in his delivery. (You were pitch perfect in your Plame panel introduction, Jane — you hit all the marks.)
But the thing that bugged me on MTP was the Lamont commercial. If that is the best Tony Hillsman has to offer, Ned Lamont is going to lose.
It’s not that it is a bad spot, but it has no context for Connecticut voters. For us, it’s way cool — but for the average Democrat, not so much.
Hillsman has gotten a lot of credit for his Wellstone and Ventura spots, but this one had none of that pizazz.
Creating an entertaining 30 second spot that captures the zeitgeist of the moment is like catching lightning in a bottle — and this spot doesn’t do it.
Anyway — more on that soon; maybe tomorrow. I pitched some ideas to Bill Winter last week, and the next bloggy installment is a deconstruction of why some ads work, and others do not.
mommybrain #95
She did that to me, too. I think “teaching people how to play craps” is really just an excuse to play craps…
Haha, op99 is hilarious.
To YearlyKos 06!
Let me just say this about the conference before I go to sleep. Harry Reid and Emptywheel both talked about the evolution of the means for people of like mind and political persuasion to communicate, from the printing press through radio & television, and little by little gain knowledge previously in the hands of the few and use it to take some power from the few and redistribute it among the many for the “common good”, words not heard nearly enough recently.
The Internets is the latest step in the evolution, spreading the word faster and further than ever before. We heard a lot this weekend about the need for speed regarding taking on the misstatements and outright lies of the media or the right wing noise machine, or a misstep by an opponent in a campaign, a la Busby – a rapid response mechanism just like the right wing noise machine, except since it’s us it’ll be more gentle. It’s time to get back in the game.
This is one of the first steps in building the machine (one of them was planning and executing the conference itself-OMG it was so professional yet progressively collaborative), but we gotta work fast and hard and local, in addition to eyes-on-the-ball in DC. The infrastructure we need to actually win elections begins now, here, IMO. We met and networked and talked and listened and now many hundreds of people who regularly communicate with others and are dedicated to the progressive vision – no matter how snidely MoDo describes us, the bitch – are on the same page, something the democratic party as a whole is not.
I say it’s a good beginning.
Markos was great and the TV spot was good. You only saw the last bit of it on MTP. Have you seen the Lamont commercial with the barking dog? It’s another good one.
And don’t forget that Markos was exhausted by the time that MTP interview took place, and it wasn’t the best lighting.
He did great, though.
127
punaise says
June 11th, 2006 at 11:16 pm (#127) – For quite a few years now, NOAA have been alternately giving hurricanes men’s and women’s names. I don’t know what they do about names like “Terry” that are given to both genders.
so:
Barabara (Bush? Comstock?) Both are apt.
Conrad (Burns) works for me.
Duke (Cunningham) need a feminine name here, and his real name’s “Randall”.
Jane, fly/drive safe. I know the kids are itching to see you. Thanks for letting me and Patrick guest post this week. We’ve had a fantastic time.
Punaise, oh! Aren’t you handsome?
Cujo – rules? we don’t need no stinkin’ rules.
D is for Debbie (Howell) – close enough?
She was more recently pressed into service to defend the s.o.b. after he shot an old man in the face while drunkenly hunting cage-raised quail in the company of two women neither of whom was his wife.
Regarding the last part…whatever could you be getting at?
My point being, and put me in the category of those who think it’s unfrickingbelievable, but Matalin and fellow apologists never had to say word one in defense of the not-wives charge, ’cause the media NEVER BROUGHT IT UP. And still won’t touch it with a ten-foot pole.
Matt O, you also made it home safely… I am off to bed… This week will my only week home until 4 of July…
Anyone… If you run across the a picture of Michael Schiavo giving me a hug on the internets please post the link… Thanks…
Cujo359 – Agreed on Gitmo. But as Bush muttered in his nonsensical statement about wanting to “end the Guantanamo”, he has to wait for the SC to rule on whether he overstepped his authority, (ie. is a criminal himself), on that tribunal business.
Here’s the story:
Dead detainee ‘was to be freed’ BBC
Matt O., did you win?*g* G’night.
TRex (wink, wink) – in a Jesus’ General way, of course
Hurricane Enron (many bad men named at once)
mommybrain #143
No, I didn’t play. Get me started and it’s over (for my bank account).
punaise @ 11:27 pm (#139) – Hurricane Debbie it is. Batten down the hatches and stow the pearls.
Given my luck at Lotto (it was supposed to fund a last-minute trip to Vegas) I’d better stay miles away from any craps tables.
pun
nice to see the real you IS blue.
test your hearing: they’ve developed cell phone ring tones for the kids that us oldish geezers can’t hear. sure’nuff.
hey, Suzanne!
Has anyone seen pictures of Luke in his I ALREADY KNOW MORE THAN THE PRESIDENT T-shirt? Some one said one was posted on Kos but I can’t find it and,besides, I don’t know how to fix the annoying problem of out-of-whack left margin so I rarely go there anymore. oops, was I supposed to say that?
pun, what beach was that?
Jane- I was absolutely howling with laughter reading TRex’s post. Brilliant. I hope you will have him back on Late Nite as a regular. But, of course, I would have not discovered TRex without Your Brilliance at FDL. I hope you can work it out. ;) ;)
Suzanne
a) Pajaro Dunes (where the sun never shines, alas)
b) near Davenport
Pun, like many things up here, the sun only shines when the tourists go home.
How about a new tag group: Uncategorizable.
punaise @ 11:36 pm (#150) With headphones at full volume, I heard a rushing sound, but no tone. No wonder music doesn’t sound as good as it used to.
huh?
Cujo – I heard the white noise via laptop at half volume. On the desktop I heard the high pitch – it sent punaise jr. running for cover.
mommybrain, here is that picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/baratunde/164569779/
whew. figured standing in front of jimi’s speakers at oakland had finally caught up with me.
Suzanne, can you write louder? can’t hear you.
no way, pun, no way. already got the housemates in an uproar with my response to tonights post (look up). not gonna wake them again.
Suzanne, saw that, good for a chuckle. sum kinda hippie compound up in the woods, eh?
My girls refer to me as an old woman who thinks she is 17.
salon.com interview with Harry Reid at YKos:
I can’t get into Salon, dang it. My adblocker blocks the advertiser’s logo.
Suzanne – as long as you don’t have a myspace.com profile, it’s OK
I could copy and paste the whole thing for you, but it’s pretty long.
Here’s part of it:
thanks, pun.
All the politicals who spoke at yKos had nice words. I’m holding off hoping for any change in Washington until I see action, not hear nice words.
pun, and yes it is a compound, albiet a former Elks and not hippie
more Reid, prolly too much for “fair usage” so I’ll stop (some Q and A added for clarity):
…
He has learned one important thing “we are not controllable”. I suggest he spread that word around DC.
Rob Zuber – thanks!
oh mommybrain, you are here. your tyke is quite a scamp! loved the pic.
Thanks, punaise, for the heads up on the Reid piece. I just read it all.
I found it almost confessional, compared to the usual tripe in the MSM. I don’t know whether it was because of the venue, or because he knew Salon wouldn’t soundbite him, but I was glad to find a few clues for once about what it’s really like for Democrats living with Dick Cheney and the “Fuehrer Prinzip.”
Ugh! It isn’t a pleasant picture, but I was encouraged that a) a prominent Democrat actually knows when he’s being screwed, and b) that he knows he needs help if he’s ever going to get beyond that.
What was your take?
There are a number of videos available from YearlyKos on YouTube, including Tom Tomorrow’s hilarious bit.
“Hank,” she says, “I’m going to need you to do another rapid-thaw.”
or a vapid-thaw
mommybrain–
http://www.flickr.com/search/?…..amp;page=5
Is this a picture of your Luke? He’s wearing the right shirt!!! What a cutie…
William Timberman 178 – still working my way through it.
mommybrain – cute firepup, your little one!
Salon quoting Sen. Reid >”…I`ve come to learn one thing: They`re not controllable…”
“We the people…” need to make sure things stay that way
This along with his reported rap about technology enabled shifts in power makes it sound like Mr. Reid has really, really “gotten it”
This technology can be Ben Franklin`s revenge for sure & “We the people…” should NEVER forget that
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” – Buckminster Fuller
punaise – Your question upthread about your links to Salon and those commercials: I always have to sit through them. Tonight’s fare was a series of Delta airlines “vacation” photos, but at least it wasn’t some multimedia presentation, as those tend to crash my browser. Links to MSNBC have been doing that lately, too. Dunno why. Probably time to upgrade something.
William Timberman 178 – some thoughts re re Reid interview:
- more than cautiously respectful of the blogs
- weak on Lieberman (the Boxer syndrome?)
- short and strong on the war (”…I don’t think the stage is subject to having cheerleaders out for him.”), but then he flubs the baseball analogy, i.e. let the Repubs self-destruct.
- good slam on Roberts, even better on Spector (”Specter is the only one who’s given an ostensible reaction, negatively [to the NSA program]. But that didn’t last. He caved in like soft cake, you know.”)
- good support for Dean
I agree with your overall view. It’s sad.
JWR – thanks for reporting back. for some reason I keep shelling out $35/year for salon, so I guess it’s OK to “bring stuff” over here….
one more on Reid – from the “LTEs”:
I think the biggest effect from YKos is the buzz that was generated. My goodness, I saw an article on the AP wire and one from Britian. There are gonna be some nervous nellies in DC when they hit their offices later this morning. Wondering how to control us? Going through all the information gleaned looking for a weak spot? Wondering if it is really safer to ignore us or challenge us?
Fingers and toes crossed for positive change but as I said earlier, I want some action. I want to see some proof that the Dems have a spine and can stand up.
Thanks, pun. I appreciate the insights. He likes Joe. Mmmm…he obviously doesn’t think that Joe’s social conservatism is a problem.
Well, I may be part of that negligible bohemian wing of the Democratic constituency, but it’s very important to me, especially as it effects women’s issues, and freedom of choice issues generally. (I don’t want Joe in my bedroom any more than James Dobson.)
Of course, at my age who’s in my bedroom doesn’t matter so much, I admit :( except to the extent that it preserves the freedoms I’ve enjoyed for the next generation.
Yeah, the Reid interview is sad. Kinda funny, though, in how he describes the pressure exerted by Deadeye:
punaise – It’s their business model, but one would think that with all the excellent content, they’d bring in more ad revenue by opening up a little more.
Damn, that’s “affects.” Preview can’t save the blind and stupid, it seems.
if only our little “Joe problem” would go away with his primary loss. He’s got one foot out the door as an Independent, and the leadership/his colleagues seems to be willfully blind to that.
William Timberman @ 1:01 am (#192) – Nor could preview save you, it appears. Agree with your 12:59 am, too. We survived having that freedom, and at least some of us grew thanks to that experience. Our young should have that right, too.
If Reid is saying they cave because they have the Wrath of Dick cast upon them, I suggest the Congress critters be more concerned with the Wrath of the People.
Dick’s a scarey dood fer sure, what which him shooting an old guy in the face and all, but come on, the F word and they cave? Not buying it. I think it works more like blackmail or extortion, with Dick’s phonecall a reminder of whatever NSA has learned and turned over to Dick.
Suzanne – I didn’t take those at face value – just convenient images for a brush-off. It’s got to be more insidious than that.
crikey, it’s late – gotta go….’night, all.
bedtime reading: emptywheel on Reid
pun, don’t take what at face value?
Suzanne – I was referring to JWR’s snippet at 191. bonne nuit!
‘nite
A bientot, and thanks for all the fish…..
Suzanne at 1:14 am – punaise was referring to the way Reid avoided answering the questions about how Cheney manages such subservience from the Republicans in Congress.
Your 1:08 am is probably a bit closer to the truth, with the extortion coming in the form of the top-down nature of the modern GOP campaign funding machine: Step out of line and you’re cut off the teat.
teat your children well
their fathers’ hell
will slowly go by
“Bring ‘em Aw-*queep*krrkt*…bzzzz”
;>)
JWR @ 1:43 am (#203) – I think you’re right. Campaign finances (or lack of same) is the “hammer” that the Republican leadership seem to use to keep the rest in line. It’s also a simpler explanation than that they managed to find folks at the NSA who were willing to use collection and analysis tools meant for detecting attacks for political blackmail purposes.
Well, gotta go. Goodnight all.
‘Night, Cujo359. ‘Night, 3sivund, ‘Night John-boy. (huh?)
Good morning, Jane. Drive safely.
Good morning, keeds. Tossing this in w/o having read what’s gone before, so apologies if repetitious and/or OT, BUT … this morning Al Kamen in WaPo notes PNAC’s passing:
Mission Accomplished?
The doors may be closing shortly on the nine-year-old Project for a New American Century, the neoconservative think tank headed by William Kristol, former chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle and now editor of the Weekly Standard, which is must reading for neocon cogitators and agitators.
The PNAC was short on staff — having perhaps a half-dozen employees — but very long on heavy hitters. The founders included Richard B. Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Paul D. Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, William J. Bennett, Zalmay Khalilzad and Quayle.
The goal was to continue the Reaganite, muscular approach to projecting American power and “moral clarity” in a post-Cold War world, the group’s manifesto said. The targets were liberal drift and conservative isolationism.
PNAC and its supporters dominated the Bush administration’s foreign policy apparatus and championed a policy to get rid of Saddam Hussein long before Sept. 11, 2001.
In its famous 1998 letter to President Bill Clinton, PNAC said “removing Saddam Hussein and his regime . . . now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.” Clinton was urged to use all diplomatic, political and military means to topple him.
Despite the happy chatter before the Iraq invasion about cheering crowds and bouquets and cakewalks and how the war was going to pay for itself, the signatories wrote that “we are fully aware of the dangers of implementing this policy.”
There had been debate about PNAC’s future, but the feeling, a source said, was of “goal accomplished” and it looks to be heading toward closing. Former executive director Gary J. Schmitt, who had been executive director of President Ronald Reagan’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, left recently for a post at the American Enterprise Institute. (Not a big move. Actually, only five floors up from PNAC.) Still, seems like a short century.
We could say Ave atque vale, (hail and farewell,) I spoze, but Fuck you — fuck you ver’ much — fuck you, toxic blockheads be rather more on point . . . .
TRex —
I flipped on the tube last week to find Mary MATALIN guest-hosting for Charlie Rose!
What’s with that!?
It was a panel on progress in Iraq.
Now Matalin has both cred and objectivity in PBS’s eyes?
OT I’ll try to remember to post this again later today, but Cheney is
scheduled to address the National Press Club luncheon June 19, 12:30 ET.
Maybe he’ll say what he plans to do to get his approval rating out of the
sub-basement. If you have a question that you think he should be asked,
apparently you can suggest it to jbloom@press.org
Kos diary: Ann Coulter’s mother receives a letter from her local paper.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/104646/222
Morning all. See Helena Cobban’s article at Antiwar.com via salon.com
via………”The Incredible Shrinking U.S.”
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/nws/sl1.htm
In answer to “how do they sleep at night?”,simple:Ambien and Lunesta.Or drinking heavily.Or both.I wonder if there are figures available showing what places in the country have the highest numbers of sleeping pill prescriptions per capita.It might be interesting to see that info…or maybe it’s just my very tired brain that’s interested,lol.Not that the info would be useful really,I’m just curious.
My incomplete wrap-up (you guys are in there!):
A proper good morning to you, littermates! OK, caught up now, I fully concur with everybody’s “HURRAH FOR TREX!”es and bemusement over Reid, Boxer, et al.
A few months ago on the News Hour, I got so mad at Reid’s bland “boilerplate-no-matter-what-you-ask” NONresponses to Lehrer’s interesting Qs that I was hollering at the TV, “Jeez, you sound just like a gooper — only milquetoastier!”
HATE that mindless, 99%-content-free Senatespeak they fall into, and Harry Reid has nearly reached John Kerry’s/John Warner’s decadent depths of it. Dammit, you foghorns — if you have next-to-nothing you really want to say, don’t go proving it all over national TV!
Feh.
Re JWR’s 123/142: Unspeakably sad and wrong.
Yikes — TS Abu done got his act much more together overnight! Sis & bro Floridians (Georgians too), better looky here:
http://www.weather.com/weather…..&day=1
Good mornin’ early risers, the coffee’s hot’n’sultry and there’s reading to do.
MSNBC frontpages YKos this morning –
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13190686/
The link posted above to the Connecticut Post’s letter to She-who-must-not-be-named’s mama is terrific. Scroll back and take a detour if you haven’t read it.
And TRex, you rock!
Oy, too little caffeine in me to be piping up in public yet. Meant to say above:
A few months ago, I got so mad at Reid’s bland “boilerplate-no-matter-what-you-ask” NONresponses to Lehrer’s interesting Qs on the News Hour …
NYT’s Bob Herbert breaks the corporate media silence on the theft of Ohio:(via Raw Story-Herberts behind the “wall”):
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0612.html
sunny 219, anything visible there yet re Blackwell and his second bite of the apple?
Maybe I can pass along (most of) the full column later today, if my LexNex-using pal has time to get it to me.
Meanwhile, good on Bob!
Nothing I saw lotus; That rat bastard is going to get away with it again if we allow it.
If you could pass along that article, I would be eternally grateful!
(Hell no, I will NOT pay for NYT)
Sunny, Amen to your “Hell no, etc.”
You’re in/near Mobile, right? Prolly gonna just miss TS Abu’s effects there. Here’s a map-loop of projected TS-force winds over next 5 days:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at1 shtml/092324.shtml?tswindloop?
Argh – Monday morning again, and a dreary, rainy one at that. Hope all you Floridians aren’t getting it too bad this morning. Couldn’t help thinking about all the people who are only finding out now that they have major PTSD after last summer’s hurrican season…
Mary Matalin…not one of my favorite people. Quite fitting they would send her out to defend Coulter; if anyone “understands” Coulter, it would be Matalin.
Have to second BobbyG’s suggestion that Coulter be henceforth and forevermore known as Republican Pundit and Spokesperson; aside from “branding” her, it might set off a feeding frenzy within GOP pundit circles as those who have more street cred in that area make sure Coulter gets sent back where she belongs.
Heard that USA Today’s Susan Page has an article on the “slipping” of Democrats in state races…haven’t checked it out yet, so who knows what it really says.
Boehner is bringing the Iraq debate to the House this week, apparently because he thinks the last time the GOP tried to embarrass the Dems, it failed because of their smears of Jack Murtha. They want another stab at it, I guess – in place of actually doing some real work on the war.
Anyone remember the name of the cartoon hound dog that Boehner reminds me of? Can’t think of it.
Interesting days ahead.
Oop, may hafta drag© that nhc link — looks like it didn’t fully submit to the governance of FDL’s software.
Anne — Deputy Dawg?
lotus – I think that might be it! Thanks – your brain clearly works better than mine on Mondays!
On the cartoon level only, my dear Anne. On the cartoon level only.
Jane, when I woke up this morning, I saw your comment about your late flight and long drive. Please be sure to post a quick message to let us know you got home safely.
And kudos to you and Christy for your fine work at YKOS.
lotus, I’m about 10 miles north of Mobile, and I really, really, hope we miss the effects of “Abu” and every other storm that comes up the Gulf, tho I don’t wish it on anyone else. One gets tired of the constant evacuations. Three last season.
Copy that, sunny.
Good morning, all. I checked my e-mail this morning and it reminded me of a long-held pet conspiracy theory of mine. I’ve thought for several years that the “spam problem” is mostly our government. Many of these e-mails make no sense at all. What purpose they serve making connnections in our computers is beyond me. I’m just a geek at heart, not a real geek. :) Refute? (the first part, not the geek part)
Too funny. Great to start out the week with a good laugh before my teeth start grinding over the next atrocities.
pnac shutting down because “goals accomplished”? True enough. It all makes sense when you realize that fubar is the real aim.
A good fund raiser for the next yearly kos would be a dvd set of this years events, speeches & forums. I’d buy it.
I echo someone else’s view that the plame panel was the best panel/ forum I have seen on cpsan.
I had to laugh at a comment yesterday that some right wing publication people were surprised that convention attendees were so nice to them. Maybe they should hang out with progressives more often. They spend most of their time in the Lord of the Flies world.
Actually, sunny, the only time I’ve evacked turned out to be a false alarm — Floyd, whatever year that was. When it looked as if a Cat 5 was bearing down on my stilthouse certified to only 120 mph, I (having been in Coral Gables for Andrew) beat feet west on FL 44 all the way to the west coast — then up to Tally before I found a motel taking cats. Spent my b’day solo (wandered off into the country to find a good fish-camp dinner — no wine, so whine), then came on home a little sheepish: Floyd veered off to the NE at the last minute — played hell with folks several states north, as I remember, but around here, not so much.
Now that folks’ consciousness has been raised, however, this year I expect more evac horror-stories a la Houston-to-Dallas ‘05.
Word to the wise: stay off the interstate if you intend to make real progress.
Word to the wise: stay off the interstate if you intend to make real progress
We learned that during Ivan. For that one, we headed due north straight up Hwy. 45 and ended up in Tupelo, Ms. For Katrina, took back roads to Anniston, AL and stayed at an Inn at Fort McClellan. (A policy against animals, but they made an exception for my 11 year old, 4 pound maltese/poodle mix Sugar Baby.) Even so, the weather got rough. Probably go further, maybe Tenn. for the next “big one.”
Yeah, isn’t there some sort of conspiracy or collusion involved when one grand jury witness raises money for and indicted co-worker?
LindyH: relax about the spam. Nobody sends Email to your computer directly. All Email is sent via servers to other servers, kinda like postoffices. You send your mail to an MTA (mail transport agent) usually via SMTP. Your MTA communicates to the recipients MTA. The recipient requests the mail from its MTA. Basically, you get your Email only by request (spam and all) from your network’s Email server, not directly from unknown senders. If you are not using a firewall, God only knows how many strange entities are communicating with your computer. Always use a firewall! Always!
I’m off to the airport now; it’s my travel day. What a weekend! As most of you know, my primary focus on this site is the development of a vibrant, powerful progressive movement. In that light, I can’t really overstate how successful the conference was. I’ll check in again later today.
Heh. Orlando NPR d/j playing Vivaldi’s take on “a tempest at sea” for us right now, with other TS-related selections to follow.
The full Bob Herbert article is posted here.
Hokey-smoke, sunny, where’d you run across that link?
I wonder how long it’s been there — and what store NYT’s legals set by its disclaimer:
“Fair Use Notice: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, economic, democratic, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond ‘fair use’, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.”
Oop, Bob’s missing “the largerer point,” inny. Damn.
Re Blackwell’s second bite, I mean.
sunny, would you (or someone else) please give me a little tutorial — in 2nd-grade English vocab, please — on how to do kewl hyperlinks like that?
New thread.
it’s not that the can’t respond to the widows, it’s that they can’t swift boat them. Being that is the only response the right has to any criticism.
lotus – hyperlinks: type (a href=”insert the real link here”)this is the text(/a)
but instead of parentheses use the “greater than” and “less than” signs
substitute link and text as described. in the example above ‘this is the text” would be the underlined link that shows up in the comment.
hope that helps.
SQUALLING STILLNESS… http://apoeticjustice.blogspot…..lness.html
The photo is almost perfect, but the man in the car should be Carville.
Just remember that when you hear people on the right saying, “we’re not supposed to the 9/11 widows,” what they really mean is, “we have no response to the 9/11 widows, so we’re going to pretend that we do, then throw a hissy about not being able to use it.”
Whops. That should have read, “we’re not supposed to respond to the 9/11 widows,” et cetera.
Imus’s response should have been, “Why, yes… yes I am comparing her to Hitler. My question is, she is attacking 9/11 widows, and you’re not condeming her. Why not?”