
The most important panel of the past week didn’t take place on any of the Sunday Head Shows. It took place in Las Vegas, where even the slots are liberal. CSPAN has the video.
I should qualify that statement by acknowledging that I didn’t see This Week with George Stephanopolous, which was preempted by the Iran vs. Mexico World Cup Match. (Mexico won, 3-1.) But I don’t imagine that either the George Will/Donna Brazile roundtable or Will’s chat with Grover Norquist were particularly newsworthy.
Meet the Press was also preempted, by the French Open, but was finally broadcast in the late afternoon. Today’s program led with retired General Barry McCaffrey, filling in for the schedule-conflicted, non-retired General George Casey.
McCaffrey says the death of al-Zarqawi is good news, but no turning point. The threat of civil war is as great as ever, and the deployment of United States forces cannot be maintained at its present pace. Special Operations cannot maintain its pace of deployment. If we don’t draw down to a level of 50,000-100,000 troops by next summer, we "risk breaking the force."
On Iran, McCaffrey thinks Iran will get nuclear weapons within five to ten years, George Bush’s belligerent and impotent rhetoric notwithstanding.
In the second segment of the program, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga faced off against National Review Cruise gigolo Byron York. Russert starts off with a softball, allowing Kos to agree that blogs are to liberal activists what talk radio is to conservative activists. (Are Limbaugh’s dildoheads really activists?)
Tim then throws a spitter, quoting moose molester and DLC nonentity Marhsall Wittman, who damns liberal blogs as "hyper-partisan and very liberal." Kos swats this one out of the park, pointing out that moderate Harry Reid and centrist Governor Mark Warner were the first and second politicians to speak at YearlyKos. Kos names Mark Warner, General Wesley Clark and Russ Feingold as the top Democratic presidential hopefuls among those in attendance. Senator Hillary Clinton is not favored because she is seen as part of the Democratic establishment. Vice President Al Gore would have a lot of support, were he to enter the race.
Little Lord Byron trots out a quote from Midget Mickey Kaus to bash Kos, and claims that the Kosovars would rather defeat Joe Lieberman than the Republican Senate candidate in Connecticut. As if on cue, Russert shows Ned Lamont’s campaign commercial featuring Kos. Kos decimates York by laying out the bill of particulars on Holy Joe: His support for Bush’s Wars on Iraq and Social Security Recipients, and his consistent undermining of the Democratic caucus. Kos explains that the only litmus test is "don’t undermine the Democratic party." He also explains the obvious: that the Democrats will have no trouble defeating the Republican candidate if Lamont wins. Kos says Dems would support Lieberman against the Republican if he becomes the nominee (but doesn’t mention Lieberman refuses to make that same commitment in the event of a Lamont victory).
Little Lord Byron trots out the preemptive excuse that the 2006 elections will not be a referendum on wingerism; Republican losses will be the result of Bush alienating the base on Harriet Miers, the Dubai Ports World deal and immigration. On CA-50, Russert, quoting the Los Angeles Times, suggests the Bilbray victory shows Bush’s unpopularity alone won’t translate to Democratic gains in November. Kos points out that the Republicans threw $11 million into the race in a traditional Republican district, but also chastises the Dems for failing to follow the Republican lead and throw everything they had into the race.
Fox News Sunday is all about al-Zarqawi and Bush’s "unprecedented two day War Council."
General Casey, AWOL at MTP, turns up at FNS. He is happy that al-Zarqawi is dead. The DNA’s not back yet, but the late Al-Queda in Iraq leader has been identified positively by his fingerprints and Born to Jihad ass tat. The suggestion that an injured Zarqawi was beaten by U.S. forces is "baloney;" he died while American soldiers attempted to save his life. Casey refused to comment on the need for more or less troops, or the idea of redeploying troops within Iraq to Baghdad.
Chris Wallace then assembled his own Fox News "War Council," comprised of Jane Harman (D-CA), Newt Gingrich and Dan Senor. Harman has a 2-point plan: (1) dump Rummy; and (2) redeploy out of Iraq: the only solution is a political solution, not a military one. The death of al-Zarqawi is a great achievement, but it won’t reduce the insurgency because al-Queda in Iraq is only a small part of the insurgency.
Newt, as nutty as ever, says we can’t have a political solution unless we kill all the insurgents first. Newt says we should rely on the opinions of Generals Abizaid and Casey regarding troop levels, but we can’t cut and run. Senor suggests that troops be redeployed to Baghdad, in effect making the entire city of Baghdad a Green Zone. Senor says "If we can’t do Baghdad we can’t do Iraq." And we can’t.
Gingrich also upgraded the reading on his Presidential Run Egometer from "very unlikely" to "unlikely."
During the roundtable, Brit Hume and Bill Kristol both opined that the death of al-Zarqawi is a "very, very big deal" because al-Zarqawi was "an extraordinarily effective leader" (Hume’s words). Hume also hyped the Bilbray victory and described the 2006 elections as the Culture of Corruption vs. the Culture of Defeat. Hume described Jane Harman as a "person who I much admire," but then claimed that if the Democrats won (the 2004 elections?) al-Zarqawi would still be alive.
Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer Wolf speaks with Neal Puckett, a lawyer for one of the Marines (a staff sergeant) involved in the Haditha incident. Puckett says that everything happened in response to an IED explosion (a point neither disputed nor relevant), that there was no massacre and that the Marines followed the rules of engagement. Puckett’s client has been reassigned (in the United States), has not been charged, is not locked up, and has no restrictions on his liberty. Reportedly, the client also has the full support of his chain of command.
From Iraq, General Mark Kimmitt says the Haditha Marines should be tried in a military court, not on CNN.
Kimmitt also thinks Osama bin Laden will be located in the future. In response to Blitzer’s belief that bin Laden is in Pakistan, Kimmitt states "I think if we knew where bin Laden was, we would be going after him at that location."
Wolf also interviews retiring Washington D.C. Archbishop Theodore McCarrick, who has apparently reached mandatory retirement (unless you’re the Pope) of age at 75. Wolf effusively flatters Bishop Ted, telling his Eminence that he’s just "hitting his prime." Mindful of the Commandments, McCarrick didn’t return the compliment.
On immigration, Bishop Ted agrees with L.A. Archbishop Roger Mahoney that the Catholic Church will not comply with the Administration’s planned prohibition on offering assistance to undocumented workers. The Church can get around the ban by simply offering assistance without inquiring as to immigration status. McCarrick disagrees with Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) that the Federal Marriage Amendment is an Act of bigotry. McCarrick claims the Amendment doesn’t prohibit civil unions, and suggests that is something the Church could live with as long as marriage was prohibited. Blitzer, who often looks uncomfortable on topics of sexuality not involving a Democratic politician, paraphrases the Archbishop’s position as "you wouldn’t oppose civil unions between gays and lesbians but wouldn’t want them to be able to get married." McCarrick affirms that bizarre characterization.
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mahony ought to spend more time worrying about pedophile priests and less time on the immigration issue – his own, personal deflection cause celeb.
Fitz…..THIS WEEK?
yeah, helping the poor and sick no matter what nationality — sounds like some whackjob lefty for sure !
I’m still dumbfounded that Markos made it on to Meet the Press. And he was spectacular.
Reminder: MSNBC is re-airing MTP tonight at 10 PM ET (ten minutes from now) and again at 1 AM.
Just got home, oh goody, Roger A!
Fitz n rootz!
Rob Zuber -
Markos was spectacular, yes! And you could tell Russert is finally getting that Markos is a ‘player’. There was a certain deference in Timmy’s tone for once…
Hi there, Sharkbabe!
Roger, thanks for wading through the Sunday TV sewer yet again. Hope the hipwaders are still watertight.
Hot DAMN, but I love me some Roger Ailes!
Thanks again for wading into the cesspool of Sunday talking heads (with the exception of Kos) so I don’t have to. Great post!
On Reliable Sources, Howie Kurtz and the D-team talked about the Coulter kerfuffle. Jonah Goldberg, oh he of the lucky ovum club, or maybe it was one of the other panelists, basically echoed the “larger point” that She of the septic tongue made… “doctrine of infallibility.”
Well, hey, who the hell else would be expert to talk about and advocate for people who will make change than the people who have been victims such as the Jersey Girls? They are the stakeholders.
Not one word of Reliable discussion about how the media almost totally ignored the testimony of 9-11 Commission chairs this past week that this administration is still frickin’ incompetent/below failing on securing this country! Oh, but then those commishs don’t have long bare gams and tossy blonde hair….
part 2….
On a more sobering note, on the ABC Stephanopoulos Show each week they honor the fallen military personnel. This week 2 North Dakota National Guard personnel were killed, yet they were listed as Army. One would think the branch of service these men volunteered to serve in would have a modicum of acknowledgement.
Or is it that it just might sink into the self-absorbed American populace’s heads that its our National Guard soldiers that are fighting and dying over there in large numbers so our borders and levees can be over-run over here? Certainly this reeks of covering-up reality.
And on This Week’s George Will’s interview with right-winger Cliff May–the Flounder of this era–the one thing I took away from watching it was May’s credo of keeping the government out of our lives.
As long as you can keep your noses in our panties? Guess it all depends on what your definition of keeping is….
New post on my humble new blog: Mental Illness and Iraq Veterans
egregious 11
You forgot the .com in your link.
http://mcegregious.blogspot.com/
Thanks…..like I said, it’s a new endeavor. Shaky legs for this new foal.
Warning: Wordy carryover response from last topic (sorry – slow writer)
Rayne @ 6:37pm
I don’t disagree that there is a revolution going on or that progress in the netroots community is amazing. And I am not anti-internet by any means. I worked as a consultant to a Fortune 100 company on the first major commercial Internet application. We had to wait for a Web Server to make it to market to proceed with our project.
I just think that when you are surrounded by so many Internet savvy people that live with you in your world, it is easy to underestimate the people who are not yet ready to join your revolution. The danger of this is even greater if you are young.
If you dismiss everyone who is not ready to join your revolution as old-party democrats who you are not interested in working with, you are making an erroneous assumption. Many of them are just voters.
There are different levels of comfort in the digital world. I know many people who are well educated, progressive, as likely or more likely to vote Green then Dem who use email, shop on line, research info on line, but who are not comfortable getting their news online. They might be on Move-On’s email list or even get Huffington’s email, but to a person, they are not interested in getting their news from blogs. To them, it feels like an inefficient use of their time.
In part, I can understand their feelings. I am most comfortable reading War Room and FDL. There are a number of popular blogs out there that have too high of a content to information that is important to me ratio.
Don’t get me wrong – I do not disagree that there is a revolution going on. I just think that it is a little too early to have a “you are either with us or you’re against us” mentality. It still takes a majority to win elections. If you write off Republicans and you write off the hard-core old party Democrats AND you also want to write off anyone who will not get on board your revolution and read the blogs, you might find those majorities difficult to achieve.
Could someone please point out just ONE FUCKING TIME that the “if Dems had won Z would still be alive” bullshit is BULLSHIT because as everyone knows or should know BUSH HAD A CHANCE TO KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER IN 2002 BUT DIDN’T BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT THE CASE FOR WAR AND GOD ONLY KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED BECAUSE OF THAT TREASONOUS, ASSININE DECISION!
How does a person stay sane in George Bush’s America?
“This trick never works!” –Rocky and Bullwinkle
Once more, with conviction:
Mental Illness and Iraq Veterans
Kos ROCKED!
Just got back from a fundraiser for the AZ Democrats. The Western Regional Governors’ Conference was in town, so we got to meet and greet Christine Gregoire of Washington, Brian Schweitzer of Montana, and our own Janet Napolitano. Bill Richardson was originally scheduled, but didn’t make it — I guess the Kossacks wore him out last week.
Anyway, these governors seemed awfully impressive to me, and I have to say that they’re all wizard public speakers. It was energizing, too, to be in a roomful of Dems again, even though most of us were 60 plus. (We kinda looked like the audience for an afternoon chamber music concert.)
Not as exciting as YKos, I’m sure, but, dammit, you do what you can, and what we could in this instance was give bucks. The hard work will get done elsewhere….
15, ohdave: correct. Actually, a NBC reporter, Jim….hell….Mickelshevski (NOT correct spelling) did an on-air story about that several years ago. We had Z dead-to-rights up in a corner of Iraq back in 2002.
Ghostman
WoW
Markos was nails on MTP !
Funny I had a club sammich sitting next to me at the Lucky Lab in Portland recently on his Gates tour.
Love the Ned commercial too. Woot !
I posted this quote earlier this morning.. Just bothered me.
MTP: General Barry McCaffrey (ret.) said in comments on Guantanamo suicides:
This was an act of political warfare by the three people who committed suicide in Guantanamo. The same as the people who commit suicide in downtown Baghdad.
Timmeh of course, did not say a word.
Markos hit every one out of the park – there is no debate.
He is a very skilled public speaker. Moreover, he had – without hesitation – the perfect response for every question.
His answers could not have been – in hindsight – crafted any better or even delivered any better.
Poor “sad haired” Byron York.
Roger- thanks, and please keep it up with the baseball lingo. All American game, and it does have a truly rich vocabulary. Not that I watch bb or listen games now (doesn’t have the purity it once had), but those really young days of my listening to Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett call the Dodgers games on radio left me with a love of that vocabulary.
omg – I can’t type, Markos sat next to me while I had my club sammich ;)
Markos spelled it out beautifully on Lieberman. He needs more national exposure. Truth to Power.
egregious:
did you go to the vet panel at Ykos? They discussed the mental health issue (among others). It was very good.
One panelist said a reason they keep underfunding the V.A. is because it’s a good example of a national health care delivery system.
God knows, we wouldn’t want that…..
June 12, 2006 | “Because Robert F Kennedy Jr. based much of the discussion in his Rolling Stone article on interviews with me and on a close reading of my new book, coauthored with Joel Bleifuss, ‘Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? Exit Polls, Election Fraud, and the Official Count,’ and because Kennedy cites in his thorough footnotes many of the same key sources we worked from, I feel compelled to address directly several statements that Farhad Manjoo makes about the exit polls, both in his original Salon article and in his response to Kennedy’s response to that article — statements that are either incorrect or based on misunderstandings about exit polls and the 2004 results…”
For those who wish to learn more of the details about the 2004 election and its exit polls, I highly recommend Dr. Freeman’s response to Mr. Manjoo’s very misleading and ill-informed “rebuttal” in Salon to Robert Kennedy, Jr’s recent superb Rolling Stone article about the 2004 election. Dr. Freeman knows whereof he speaks, and thanks to Salon, his detailed explanation is available here:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/f…..2/freeman/
Zarqawi is hardly the terr’st he’s been made out to be — now that he’s gone, clowns like McCaffrey don’t know what to say: first, Barry boy says it’s great, then he says it won’t affect anything — where does our establishment dig up these cretins?
I agree with Pacifica and will go farther by saying it’s a class thing. The reason Russert treats Kos with respect isn’t just because he’s a player but also because he’s preternaturally intelligent and articulate, qualities rarely yoked together in any American, given that many of our compatriots have escaped into the mental sloth of religiosity. Consequently, it doesn’t mean much to have a college or university degree: America’s graduating far fewer scientists or engineers per capita than India or China, which might be all right if the folks who graduate in other subjects knew how to think, speak and write, but they don’t. Lieberman and his ilk appeal to those who aren’t equipped to think, folks who are likelier to subordinate women. How many freaks of religiosity are willing to treat women as equals, much less gays?
To all of my adoring fans (it’s already going to my head…)
I am sorry I missed the Bloggers Brunch this morning. I slept until 2 this afternoon. (Much needed extended rest, however.)
It was a pleasure, and certainly an honor, to meet all of you this weekend. I hope I didn’t shatter anyone’s expectations. (I’m not much to look at.)
I cannot wait for YearlyKos 2007!
Is there a Valley Girl in the house?
You’ve got mail.
OT- RBG- you’ve got mail!
TRex- I’ll get on it immediately! Thanks for the heads up. I am often bad about email.
I just watched some of the plaim panel on c span
tell me I’m wrong, but I swear jeff birdges will play joe wilson perfectly
VG- got it.
V.G.
You got (e-)mail. Expect something via snail mail as well.
ohdave 15, To stay sane in this America you eat chicken soup with Tabasco sauce in it.
Well, you can try that, but venting about the lies is healthier, I think. I hear you. I agree with you, it drives me crazy that they don’t point that out every freaking day. We could have hit Z years ago. Nick Berg could still be alive. Etc. Wingers don’t want to hear that but mention it to people you see, just matter-of-factly, and see them do double-takes.
Euraka,21: General Barry McCaffrey (ret.) said in comments on Guantanamo suicides: This was an act of political warfare by the three people who committed suicide in Guantanamo. The same as the people who commit suicide in downtown Baghdad
McAfferty is an asshole. Their suicide may be an act of political warfare, just as their imprisonment without charges was. But the three who committed suicide at Guantanamo did not hurt anyone but themselves. That he can draw a parallel between that and suicide bombings in Baghdad is Orwellian doublespeak.
Mexico was great to see today (goooooooal) but I cant help worry that spreading immigration hysteria intends to put a bad face on Mexico and will have something to do with keeping Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the former Mexico City mayor off the presidency. To borrow a line from Gen. JC Christian, Patriot about illegal immigrants “Francoliberalislamunists from Mexico”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06…..r=homepage
kos gives me hope.
Mostly .. I just lurk .. but I need to peek out long enough to express my gratitude to us all.
Those who went .. and those who stayed.
I felt very little .. ” left behind at home ” .. “lonesome stuff” … while peering into my monitor at all the kids havin’ fun in Las Vegas .. because … living some of the best of my life down here among the “netroots” I smell the goodness of earth in renewal.
Pacifica (14) — I’m hardly a spring chicken, would have fit in nicely with the rest of the Kossacks at YearlyKos; I’ve also been in IT as a project manager specializing in integration and implementation. Good God, I have had my share of cultural and paradigmatic shifts to train people through to last me a lifetime…I always strove for users’ buy-in in order to successfully integrate new systems. There are people who will never buy in, though.
I see folks like my father, a man in his 70’s, and some of my fellow blogging friends, also in their 70’s, and I know it’s purely mindset. While my dad won’t be blogging anytime soon, he uses the internet to get at least half of his news and nearly all of his healthcare information, buys his vitamins and nutraceuticals online. In her mid-60’s, Mom is more resistent, but she too does most of her personal communications with friends and family out of state via internet, and has signed numerous contracts for her line of work over the internet, shops daily online (to my father’s chagrin) and even looked for rentals and real estate online. My folks are both healthy and independent, in no small part because they are internet savvy.
My 70-something in-laws, on the other hand, are technologically challenged and it shows. I recently had to go through all of my MIL’s meds, look them up on line to explain their use to my FIL since MIL is cognitively impaired. Also had to send the same to friends in medical field for secondary comments via email, to get suggestions on next steps in healthcare. Where my folks would have done all of this research themselves if in similar circumstances, my in-laws are hamstrung because they have refused to be online. Refused. They used to have a computer and internet service, but they see it as unneccesary and won’t pay for it. We’ve offered to buy the service (they can easily afford it, though), even bought them a new computer, and still they refuse, even after seeing how easy it was to check their meds or look for other guidance on healthcare. FIL takes MIL out in the car across town to get a map, making an excursion that could be problematic for her because of her multiple disabilities, simply because he won’t look up directions on MapQuest.
Mindset. Those of us who are netroots-grassroots know there is a schism, and will adjust our approach accordingly; there will be those people who will only respond to traditional methods like door-to-door and mailers. We’re ID’ing them; they will chew up proportionally far more of our resources, too, representing less than 30% of the population. But for the rest of the folks who are evolving, there is the chance for more than merely voting and we’ll help them go as far as they can, simply because they are able to meet us part of the way by way of their mindset alone. It’s not a matter of with us/against us, but a matter of generational shift and self-selection; in less than 10 years, one set of parents/in-laws in my family will probably not be here with us. Mindset will be an enormous factor as to which ones are still here.
Jenny from the Blog 6! Hey doll!
ohdave 15, the fuck yeah. William Timberman 18, thank you.
I’m quite astonished, really, that YKos wasn’t roundly ignored by the media. Something smells fishy… or am I being too cynical?
new thread guys
1. I’ll disagree with a few who express dislike of General McCaffrey. His statement on the Gitmo suicides is off…but overall, he presents an ongoing message that things are screwed up in Iraq. He just isn’t strident about it…but it’s there. Overall he carries alot of weight with alot of basic TV viewers.
2. Now, speaking of statements on the Gitmo mess…go over to Huffington Post. One of our “brilliant” deputy State Dept. workers proclaims that the Gitmo suicide guys were actually a “good PR move to gain attention”. I kid you not.
A good PR move??? Does this person have any idea how assinine that sounds? Does this person even understand how such a statement will be received in the Middle East??? A good PR move to gain attention???
Totally, completely nuts.
Ghostman
Saw Christy Hardin Smith on CSpan broadcast of the panel and she is HOT, HOT, HOT!!!
jayakroyd
I got EPU’d coming and going. I left a message for you at the end of the thread before this one (Gate Crashers?) Then I left a message about that message at the beginning of Late Nite, referring you to the “previous thread.” What I meant was to refer you back to the end of Gate Crashers, not to this thread. Confused yet?
I tell you, I am so angry. I have no idea what the current thread is about or what any of the threads have been about since Jane suggested that Boxer may be an idoit. After hearing Boxer’s weak excuses in her Q&A on C-Span at Yearly Kos, I called her an idiot on this blog. Oh, we can’t impeach, oh, we are the minority party, oh, we have no power, oh we can’t fight for civil liberties, just elect Democrats and all will be fine – ya da ya da. Just as I don’t care if you want to marry a rabbit, I don’t care which party you are from as long as you are a leader and fighter for our Constitution and Bill of Rights. NO EXCUSES! SPEAK LOUDLY! I AM A PATRIOT! I’ve been busy composing written letters to my Senators about Net Neutrality. I contacted my Represenative by fax and phone prior to his vote. I contacted my Senators Friday by phone and fax. I now have letters to send tommorrow. How are you spending your time? It’s time to stop telling everyone how cute they are and move into action!
I’ve been on a plane all day and haven’t caught up on all the threads and comments, but in case this hasn’t been mentioned, apropos of the discussion yesterday (was it only yesterday?) –
Swopa (with a bit of smart-aleck attitude) reports that:
Greetings from long time lurker, occasional poster, huge fdl fan, favorite brother of op99.
I am so jealous of evbdy who went to ykos in Vegas ! Thank you opp99 for updates,and introductions (via cell phone) to fellow FDLers. The excitment of finally meeting in person Jane, Christy, Pach, and the great and prolific posters on FDl must have been overwhelming! Thankyou all for expanding my political savy beyond MSM . That is all. Back to lurking and learning!
What DexDexter said @ 46. Yeah.
Rayne >”…It`s not a matter of with us/against us, but a matter of generational shift and self-selection; in less than 10 years, one set of parents/in-laws in my family will probably not be here with us. Mindset will be an enormous factor as to which ones are still here.”
Absolutely !
Different strokes for different folks to quote an oldie
The strategy needed
“The mind is its own place,
and in itself can make a heaven of hell,
and a hell of heaven.” – John Milton
This critical ( and hilarious ) summary is a huge plus for this – already insanely great – blog of blogs. Thanks Roger and thanks Janes Rootz crew. You know you are the best damn blog in the entire known fitzoverse.
I saw the Kos clip on Crooks and Liars. He was great. He was so adroit and calm in swatting away Father Tim’s efforts to rile. The clip did not include the York remarks, but Kos was terrific. I believe he provided a one man proof that what McCurry is claiming about the blogosphere in the name of deep sixing net neutrality is patently false. The importance of this observation is of course for the larger non blogging world. I predict Kos gets on more.
wow! mexico vs. iran! that’s like an axis of evil showdown, considering the whole reconquista thing.
Cspan isn’t the only one with the video!
Link TV has been posting video clips of Yearly Kos here: http://www.linktv.org/yearlykos/
Longer segments with better video controls are posted here: http://www.fora.tv/
CIA Leak panel and Barbara Boxer are on the front page at Fora TV.
orangejumpsuit, 36: McAfferty is an asshole. Their suicide may be an act of political warfare, just as their imprisonment without charges was. But the three who committed suicide at Guantanamo did not hurt anyone but themselves. That he can draw a parallel between that and suicide bombings in Baghdad is Orwellian doublespeak.
Like monkeys in a zoo, you banjo pickers are truly amusing to watch. What McAffrey (not McAfferty) said, as is printed right in front of you, is that their act was an act of political warfare, not actual, physical, military warfare. Holy cow, are you really this stupid or just so habituated to lying that you can’t even be honest with yourself???
Let me clue you in: political warfare refers to acts that are performed in order to achieve a political objective, not a military one. McAffrey believes (as do I) that the suicides were intended to a) cheat earthly justice, and b) arouse sympathy and outrage among anti-Americans both here and abroad in order to bring about an end to the war and subvert anti-terrorist activity in general around the world. Thus, while the use of sympathy rather than terror makes these acts and those of Baghdad bombers different according to their means, the end–a political reaction–remains exactly the same.
Really, as a leftist revolutionary, you should be familiar with this whole sympathy tack. It’s the very same one you use all the time, for example with the Jersey Girls, since the violent approach didn’t work so well for you back in the ’60’s.
P.S. Imprisonment without charges in the case of the Guantanamo detainees is manifestly not an act of political warfare. Whether such imprisonment is right or wrong, the intent is not to bring about a political reaction. It’s to isolate and subdue the accused and to extract information from him.
P.P.S. I am not a supporter of George Bush (voted for him neither time), nor of the Iraq war (opposed it from the beginning), but the truth is the truth and you dummies ought to at least have a passing acquaintance with it once in awhile.
Leisure Guy was right!