Today, we're discussing our experiences during our Crashing the Gates action last month. As you probably know, Philo and I worked together to organize a group of volunteers to deliver a copy of Jerome's and Markos' book, Crashing the Gate to every Democrat on Capitol Hill. It was a hectic day, so hectic that we really never had a chance to sit down with each other and hear about what people's experiences were like. We also had a number of post-action responses, some of which we are putting up here. We hope that some of the other volunteers can tell us some stories in comments.
RedShift sums up the first impressions of people who were, as I was, visiting the Hill for the first time:
One of the great things about this was experiencing how accessible our government really is. Every office has a sign outside that say "Please come in." Staffers are ready to talk to anyone who shows up. Once you've walked in the first time, it's not intimidating at all (heck, it's less intimidating that a lot of corporate offices I've been to.)
There's no guarantee that they'll do what you want them to, of course, but being there gives you a great sense that it really is our government, not the government. If you're visiting DC for business, vacation, or a rally, I'd encourage you to drop in on your representatives. It's not one of the typical tourist stops, but it's well worth the trip.
That picture at the top of the page is of Jim Preston and Paradox65, two MD NetRooters who were gracious and energetic enough to make us part of their very busy day.
Jim describes the meeting that preceded the photo op above:
Our warmest reception occurred at the office of Darlene Hooley (OR-5) (photo above). Rep. Hooley had had some interesting interactions with bloggers from blueoregon.com, and wanted to make a good impression with us. Her Legislative Director, Joan Mooney Evans, let us know that Rep. Hooley really wanted to meet us and get a picture so we waited for a few minutes until she got back from another meeting. They were all very nice, and Rep. Hooley was really great. She is very down-to-earth and enjoys a good laugh. She regaled us with stories about her appearance on The Colbert Report which I was excited to be able to pass on to my kids. We were all laughing about "The Fightin' Fifth" as we took the picture and went on our merry way. We also had a very pleasant reception at the offices of Grace Napolitano (CA-38).
Paradox65 has a homier take:
Me and Jim stayed paired up, a tag team if you will. We got some strange looks in the tunnels, a rather eclectic bunch of people carrying armloads of books(I recall seeing one gentleman wearing a elephant with american flag tie walk by,a rather dour look on his face as he came across us. Hahaha!)Got a few puzzeled stares, met a few LD's, had one staffer chase us down in the hall after we had left; he wanted more details. And some offices were waiting for us, even took pics. Rep.Hooley was a character, she wanted to meet us so we waited for her. We were given a much appreciated drink of water there too!As the day wore on the word seemed to spread ,some expressed concern that they had gotten left off the list.(Nope,we had 'em). Finally the House was done--off to the Senate. We ended in the same building we had started in. To RagingGurrll, who was running the camera, I hope your feet feel better. But how many people can say they strolled through a Senate office building barefoot? The deliveries rolled on. Let me take time to say Jim was great at giving the personal touch when delivering, giving thanks for the Rep or Senator's work on different projects, speeches, peace initatives, whatever. He really knows what's going on in that town.
Jim and Paradox65 spent the morning meeting with their Senators’ (Sarbanes and Mikulski) staff, discussing Iran and other nationality security concerns. You can see a full write up of their day over at the CtGProject site.
Philo, who first had the idea and handled media and Hill contacts posted a full account of his day.
Here’s my favorite excerpt from that post:
A young man introduced himself as Yoni Cohen, Congressman Stark's press secretary. Mind you, I'd been out of Starks office for at least three minutes and made it about thirty feet down the hall. Yoni had chased me down to talk about the book and find out more about the action. I chatted with him for about five minutes and left gratified that a congressional aide thought enough of our efforts to even attempt to follow me down the hall to talk.
The best part for me was the time Philo and I spent with Tim Cullen (Media Technology Director) and Sheryl Cohen (Chief of Staff) of Senator Dodd’s office. We had a broad and deep discussion about the nature of the netroots, our demographics, the intensity of our involvement and our numbers. Sheryl was very much engaged—on the day that Dodd had announced for the presidency, which must have been a very full one. I left feeling that we had supported Tim in his efforts to increase the role the blogosphere plays in Dodd’s media strategy. Tim was the only person from the Hill who reached out and contacted us before the event, just by the way. And Tim reports that the Senator has finished the first chapter, and there is a podcast coming after he's read another chunk of the book.
There were also some developments after the event. A commenter suggested following up with our elected officials to make sure they’d gotten the book, and to urge the officials to read Crashing the Gate . That we did. There was a flood of calls into the offices of our elected officials. We hope that you'll post your experiences in comments.
The recipients have chimed in as well:
Congressman Paul E. Kanjorski (PA-11):
"Democracy only works if well-informed and responsible people participate. "Crashing the Gate" highlights the way that individual citizens can more fully participate and help elect leaders who truly represent the American people. Because we are the party of the people, the Democratic Party should be in the better position to benefit from a well-informed and activist electorate."
Rob Pierson from Mike Honda’s (CA-15) office:
Every Congressional office should read this book to learn about the growing impact of the blogosphere, and how it increasingly empowers citizens to impact political discourse.
It’s on Representative Jim Moran’s reading list published in the Washington Examiner (h/t Eric Durland)
Via his Outreach Director, Bryan Spooner, Moran tells us that “Crashing the Gate is at the top of my summer reading list. From what I've heard so far, it provides very insightful analysis for progressives working to chart a course to the majority."
We've had other, private, communications from other offices. One staffer got in touch with us, through another Congressional office, asking whether we had delivered a copy to her Rep's office. As Paradox65 says above, everybody got one. In this case, I happened to have made the delivery. In the process of straightening this out (somebody probably took it home and hadn't fessed up), our contact said that the book is a "hot item." Another office reported that there's a waiting list for CtG, and the Chief of Staff is next on the list. And that's just a sample.
When we started working on this, it was my opinion that the event mattered as much as the upshot; if the book got shelved as so many gift books no doubt do, our presence and the contributions of the invididuals who bought the books would nonetheless stand out as a demonstration of people-powered politics. The confluence of events has made this more successful than I had hoped for--Lamont's victory happened the weekend before, and Tester's shortly thereafter. Oh, yes, and there was YKos. The folks inside the Beltway want to know what to make of the netroots, and this project will help them figure us out. And, hey, if we keep it up, "them" will become "us."
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Fitz Rootz!
I just want to thank Jane for coming up with the idea for this discussion, and hope that you folks can bring your experiences into comments.
Jay thanks for taking the time to do this. At the FDL caucus this week RevDeb told her wonderful story about how they kept making their presence known to John Kerry’s staffers and the staffers volunteered to meet with them once a month. I hope that everyone who took the trouble to contact their reps uses the personal information they gained to keep those contacts up in the future. It’s an extremely powerful tool and it’s going to be absolutely necessary if we’re going to let our reps know that progressive constituents are out there and really want to see their conerns addressed. You can damn well bet that MBNA and Bechtel do the same.
Excellent work. And thanks for a fine post, Jay.
BTW — is the Jim Moran link broken?
I’m very sorry to have missed the Roots Project organizing session, to hear ideas and get inspired. But I’ll be sure to connect with Raging Gurrl to get an update on what’s ahead for Roots Project/Roots Project NY.
Meanwhile, though, I left thinking about my email list — those likeminded friends and family that I send “action item” emails (basically, folks who need a “nudge” to participate in the political process).
What I’m trying to figure out is how not to over-nudge, and annoy them out of all participation while also trying to figure out how to move them toward initiating action on their own.
I’d be really interested in any thoughts/ideas/successes people would like to share.
Thanks!
(I also posted about this in crjrks’s post “The Trouble with Yearly Kos,” over at DailyKos:
http://www.dailykos.com/commen.....274/76#c76 )
Hey Jay, this is wonderful. I was one of the volunteers that day, and with crush of work haven’t had the time to write up my experiences though did post some comments over at DailyKos. My favorite moment was when Sari and I were getting off an elevator-books in hand and a staffer who was entering held the door open, waved off another person trying to enter, and asked us if we were the ones delivering CTG to offices that day. We said yes, to every Democrat, and he said he was just checking because his office hadn’t gotten one yet and he didn’t want to be left off the list. We assured him we were going to every single Democratic office and asked which one was his. “Honda” he replied. It was the first of many times we witnessed the Hill grapevine in action as more and more offices welcomed us with versions “Oh good, you’re here. We were hoping we’d get a copy too!”
Great job, Jay and everyone else. I can tell you that everyone I talked to at YearlyKos loved this project, for so many reasons.
I also want to make a formal thank you to all the elected officials who responded to the call to share with us your thoughts about the book. And for those of you who have not done so, we will keep after you.
The book is at once a message, and invitation, and on some level, a warning. We are building a movement, one that perhaps has gained your notice this weekend through our activities in Las Vegas. We’d like you to take part in that movement, and yet, we are very aware that you work for us. If you don’t take part and discuss with is, in collaborative fashion, the future of our party and our country, we can only assume you are not interested in taking part, and will respond accordingly.
Ask Joe Lieberman what that may involve.
On topic, but tying in with an earlier discussion . . .
Going back to Jane’s post on Boxer and Lieberman, I’m one of Boxer’s constituents, so I’ve got a dog in this hunt. For me, one of the services she can render is to challenge her colleagues when they are spreading fertilizer. If they want to spread it, so be it, but she doesn’t have to shovel it for them. There are lots of ways to say “I’m not going to get into a the primary elections of another state” while still saying “While I share many of the same positions as my distinguished colleague, we disagree on a few.” [OK, more than a few, but you get my drift.]
As for motives, put me down in the “clueless” camp. My gut tells me that she probably relies on the heads (formal or informal) of PP, NOW, NARAL, and the like to keep her abreast of what “women’s issue discussions” are going on, as much as she does her staff. Given how the national office folks had to be called out by CT NARAL for their support of Joe, is it any wonder that Boxer might be surprised to discover how angry some folks are about this issue?
I can’t say that I’d expect the national NARAL folks to say “Heads up, Barbara - you should know that folks are pissed at us for backing Joe against Ned.” As another poster noted this weekend, other local branch folks of NARAL and NOW are just getting up to speed on the endorsement bruhaha. I’d put Barbara Boxer in that same camp.
Reluctantly.
This CTG post describes how and why constitutent communications is important. If I’m right about Boxer’s sources of information not clueing her in on the endorsement squabbles, that only magnifies the reason why those of us OUTSIDE Connecticut need to let our reps and senators know what we think of Joe’s comments and Joe’s record.
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new to FDL so I may not get how to post links correctly — here’s the link to the Examiner story re: Jim Moran’s summer reading list: http://www.examiner.com/a-1289.....mmer_.html [Couldn’t get the a href thing to work so that the actual link].
Also, here the link over at DailyKos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/5/23/234424/388
Yes, I’m unhappy to say that the Examiner link is broken. It was working yesterday. Not that important. The other book that I recall on Moran’s list of three books is Packer’s The Assassins Gate, which is a fine piece of writing and reporting.
itwasntme 9 - is that the Timothy Leary equivalent of our era?
Edgery at 6-
Yes, that was Rob Pierson from Honda’s office. He was a little miffed (in a kidding way) to not have that meeting show up in the original post action follow-ups.
This is such a wonderful action. You’re doing good work and bringing a sense of hope to the rest of us out around the country.
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Jay at 14 –
I’ve heard that, but all I can say is get Honda on-line. ;-)
Peterr @ 8
I posted similar sentiments several topics ago. I’ve decided to call Boxer’s office tomorrow to ask how it is possible that she wasn’t aware of how strongly the netroots opposed Lieberman. I assume that she was unaware, because otherwise she would have been very stupid to have made such a serious mistake in front of Jane.
But then I’m reading this post and the comments and its hard to believe that the news about the book delivery spread so quickly but that news about Lieberman did not.
Pach — not ’til tonight. I’m calling you now. (If you knew how many times we’ve called each other standing only 10 feet away…)
Mike Honda represents a big chunk of Silicon Valley - how could he not be on-line?
Hi folks! Thanks to Jane, Pach, for helping move the project along, and especially to Jay and Matt for making it happen. As you can tell from our posts, Dave (paradox, DMM) and I enjoyed the whole thing. (The camera added a few pounds, though :( )
peace,
jim
I can’t wait to read Lieberman’s review of the book. :)
Would it be worth doing a second round of CtG gifts?
Canvas the offices that received them, and those that are excited get additional copies — those who are aware but not so excited get referred to the bookstore, so they can buy their own copies at a discount.
Curious about others’ follow-up stories? That’s the real test of an action like this. Follow-up, follow-up, follow-up. In that sense, the net is just one tool in an arsenal of ways to hold Congressfolks accountable. Get them on-line, keep the constituents aware of what they are or are not doing, write letters (not the blast mass emails, but real live you-wrote-the-whole-thing letters), make phone calls, get the name of the LA/LD working the issue, get a meeting in district. Our power on-line must be matched with follow-up. (Ok, I’ll get off my high horse now.)
Thanks to Jay, Philo, Redshift, and everyone else who took part! You’re so inspiring as a model for simple, effective action.
Regarding the Roots Project — I got an email on the day we were packing to head to the airport for our trip back home for family and a conference. No time to reply then.
Right after we got back, our hard drive fried completely. The dreaded “HDD failure.” Lost everything, including all email.
We finally got our mitts on some good recovery programs, and have been reconstructing email and everything else, for that matter. Spending lots of annoying time on re-configuring all manner of programs, trying to figure out a good back-up system (so this won’t happen again), etc.
When I finally am able to respond to the email (which I hope is part of the recovered stuff, need to check that out) about the Roots Project — will it be too late to get involved? I hope not! Things have been uh, not so lucky for us lately. The sick pupster has been time-consuming, too, of necessity.
Just wanna let y’all know you haven’t been intentionally ignored….looking forward to putting my money where my mouth is, so to speak.
and on some level, a warning
Pach at 11.
Yes. This is the part that is a little tricky for them. Vilsack in AdNag’s column today complained about “personal attacks” directed at the DLC. It’s very interesting to see that kind of comment when Markos, and the netroots have been consistently framed in a derisive fashion. The Wittman quote on Press the Meet today was illustrative. Russert quoted him saying:
1) Well, if that is not a personal attack, I don’t know what is.
2) It’s inaccurate, as Marcos points out in his response.
3) It advances the Republican narrative of “liberal” being a negative attribute.
4) If the Democratic leadership is not “hyper-partisan” then who is gonna be? Have they not noticed that a central element of Republican success is that their leadership is hyper-partisan?
Pacifica @ 18
I think the difference is that CTG is something that walked into everyone’s office, while Joe/Ned/NARAL/etc. is something that most non-CT folks on the Hill put into their mental “interesting, but what’s that got to do with my state/district?” filing cabinets.
What we need to do is get them to realize that CT is not the proberbial Vegas, and things that happen there do NOT stay there. When the former vice-presidential nominee of the democratic party say that rape victims should just amble down to the next hospital to find their Plan B, that does have something to do with their district/state.
Props to CTG for getting through to the staffs and reps on the Hill! That’s the way it’s done, folks - “Go, and do likewise.”
dunaise at 20 –
we need to teach them that having a website and a eletter they send out isn’t cutting edge any more. give them a venue to talk to constituents and across the country on-line so we turn it into an electronic town hall meeting. other ideas?
The DLC is already irrelevant. They are falling apart. They write provocative shyte like that to get our attention and lure us into talking aboutb them, in hopes of becoming relevant again. Literally. It’s amazing the people who purged us for so lon accuse us of fictional purges when we eclipse them in resonance and relevance.
Thank you, jackaroyd, and all who were there: what incredibly hard work, and what an incredible inspiration you are.
I love it that individual Dems were so anxious not to be left off the list. Says something–what, I’m not sure–about the prevailing dynamic up on the Hill, doesn’t it? I hope it also made the lonely progressives up there feel stronger, getting a flesh-and-blood visit from you. Thank you again.
Any of you other rooters coming to the Take Back AMerica conference this week in DC? I’ll be sneaking in and out (office is around the corner) and would love to see any of you.
I heard that Christy, and Taylor Marsh will be there, Sen. Feingold will be speaking, as well as many others.
pach at 11 and jay at 26 –
saw the comment from Vilsak also. The DLC does get blasted a lot on DKos (and elsewhere I assume). And blogs can be very tough places in terms of language sometimes and emotions running high, so he has part of a point to make. Politicians are more comfortable with the style of language used in old-style public fora where things are more nuanced; the net is not a very nuanced place and scare the #$^$# out of the old-style politicians.
That’s one of the reasons the CTG project was so valuable — we all looked so incredibly normal! No one was spouting fire or making demands. The net has given us an outlet but we do still need to do the hard work to get the party to see us as the moving force we are, not the ranting minority they would like to believe.
ecgery at 29
This is a big problem. In our dealings with different offices, one of the things that’s become pretty clear is that there is a pervasive bubble that is essentially driven by the need to manage messages and not make waves. The demand from the Netroots for authenticity is very disturbing to long-sitting incumbents. The deep authenticity that is part of the left blogosphere just isn’t consistent with the way that the beltway has communicated with their constituents. The notion of real give and take in an open forum is foreign to them.
We have to help them figure this out–how to maintain authenticity while not pissing off their fellow senators. Look what happened to Feingold when he just stood up and took a principled stand on an issue that is a no-brainer for anyone who finished middle-school civics.
I’ve had some email exchanges about this issue with some of the folks we’ve visited. It’s very difficult. It’s completely opposite the media strategies that have been developed over the last twenty years, and is very threatening.
Thank you for your hard work on this project.
I like your thought that “them” will become “us” one day.
On Thursday, May 25, I called the D.C. offices of the Democratic senator and representatives from Oregon and talked to staff about the hand-delivery of CtG. Despite Darlene Hooley taking advantage of a photo op (and I’m glad that she welcomed you), staffers at only one office said they had heard of CtG. Peter DeFazio’s staff said that he was looking forward to reading it and that the staff was arguing over who would get to read it after he finished it. I followed up with emails and handwritten notes to the offices of Wyden and DeFazio.
I made calls again on Friday, June 2, when at least Ron Wyden, DeFazio and Hooley were back home for the Oregon Democratic Convention. This time, alas, even DeFazio’s office said they hadn’t heard of the book.
DeFazio’s paid staffperson Nora was not aware of CtG. Earl Blumenauer’s D.C. office intern Tim had never heard of the book. David Wu’s paid staffperson Scott did not know the book. Ron Wyden’s paid staffperson in D.C., Grant, had not heard of CtG. And Wyden’s paid staffperson in his Portland office, Carla, had not heard of CtG, but expressed interest in it.
I talked to folks in these offices again last week, when calling about another issue, and they still were not familiar with the book. I said, “Oh, wow, that’s too bad. You know, Crashing the Gate zoomed into Amazon’s top 500 books last week and it’s must reading. We sure wanted (the senator/representative) to be ahead of the curve on this one.”
I don’t think this is discouraging. Training those who represent us is like training cats. It takes patience.
Jane, good point about using the information about paid staff and interns to good advantage in future contacts. Now I know where folks grew up, where they went to school, where their grandmothers were born, etc. and those are good ways to connect with them on a human basis.
Re Steve N. @28 - replies from previous thread:
punaise 225
steve N @223 - that doesn’t sound like FDL to me. differing opinions are respected around here as long as they are expressed in a civil way.
Mrs. K8 226
steve -
I have a hard time believing that, too. Did you get a message “comment awaiting moderation”? If so, EVERYBODY gets that here, from time to time, it’s a function of imperfect software, we all just put up with it.
If the post was civil it’ll be up here shortly.
OT re: Boxer
Peterr & Pacifica - given that Boxer had been on the YKos schedule for quite some time, it seems odd that her only preparation would have been a speech. When wading into the largest gathering of netroots-ers and bloggers, it’s hard to understand why she was not better prepared for those spontaneous hallway interviews…
Back on topic:
I try to bring up CtG and Glenn’s book whenever I can find a way to work it into the conversation. I work with some pretty die-hard Republicans, as well as some who might fail the “who’s the president?” test. My family is about evenly divided as far as party identification, and we always have some “animated” political discussions. Lately, I’ve been able to throw things into these discussions that literally make people stop talking - and that’s not easy to do in my family! (and it isn’t “SHUT UP” - that one NEVER works!).
OT: praise? or sensing an easy target?
I just want to point out again how awesome edgery was at the disribution of the books. The project would have failed without her timely infusion of know-how and logistical management. You are a real treasure, m’lady!
pach at 30
The DLC has outlived its usefulness at this point, I agree. There will still be many Dems who sign on but fewer now see it as the driving intellectual force they’d hoped for.
Did you get to go to Brad Carson (D-OK)’s office and what kind of reception did you get from him? He is the only D in the pitiful Oklahoma delegation, and although I want to believe his heart is in the right place, he has to operate under Deep Cover to survive in this rosy-red state, as do all us progressives here.
Good work, y’all. This warms my heart to no end.
jayackroyd at 2:27 pm –
Great post — but what do we call the GOP Leadership?
They are always hyper-partisan, but they are NOT conservative. What do we call them?
Hyper-Partisan Gangsters?
Hyper-Partisan Right Wingers?
Hyper-Partisan Corporate Whores?
Hyper-Partisan Hypocrites?
Hyper-Partisan Liars?
Or do we assault their brand identity, and call them Hyper-Partisan Hacks that pretend to be Conservaitve?
How do we encapsulate the essence of the GOP betrayal of America, and the kool-aid drinking voters that support them?
Regarding what Jay said about the caution that Hill-people have. Take a look at the way people get savaged both on-line, in public, and on the radio for each verbal misstep. It is really difficult to get the pols to engage. The staffers, on the other hand, have much dirtier hands and are willing to mix it up a lot more. The staffers do the work, too, remember.
SteveN-
Your comment isn’t erased - it’s way back a couple of threads.
As for being labelled a troll . . . well, I found your comments - there and here - to be mostly ad hominem attacks, and not an invitation to debate. If that’s not the mark of a troll, then I don’t know what is.
Two things,
The staffer at Kerrys office in Boston is the director of the office. Prof. Foland brought along a book to leave for him. Jon said he would “borrow it” from us because he could not accept the book. We urged him to read it and pass it around the office. They could all “borrow it.”
He ran for congress in IN against Hoestettler (sp?) and lost, no surprise. Jon e-mailed me early in the week to say that he had finished the book and it very much reflected the race he was in and how it all worked (not happily). He gets it.
I was in Markey’s office mid-week and asked the aide I knew there what happened with the book delivery. I had given her a heads up the day before. She said that when the book was delivered, they fought over it. We don’t know who has it, but the interest was high.
OT
I am so glad I jumped in and decided to come to YKos. It has been an amazing experience that will take me weeks, maybe months to digest. The most exciting thing (aside from meeting everyone and making friends) is the anticipation of what we hope to create with the Roots Project. Pach, Jane and Christy know lots that we don’t know yet about how this online community will form and communicate, but there is a feeling in my gut that this will be very important.
Again I need to say how warm and welcoming Pach, Jane and Christy have been to us in the flesh. I really do have the feeling that we are all in this together.
edgery:
I don’t see more dems signing on. They’ve taken down their affiliated dems page, I recently heard, because no one was left, everyone was bolting. Being associated with the DLC has become political cancer. Their executive director is never in the office, probably out looking for a new job.
See what I mean?
Irrelevant.
Jayackroyd — This is a big problem. In our dealings with different offices, one of the things that’s become pretty clear is that there is a pervasive bubble that is essentially driven by the need to manage messages and not make waves. The demand from the Netroots for authenticity is very disturbing to long-sitting incumbents. The deep authenticity that is part of the left blogosphere just isn’t consistent with the way that the beltway has communicated with their constituents. The notion of real give and take in an open forum is foreign to them.
I’m coming to understand that bubble is made of titanium. Very hard to penetrate, much like that of journalists who see communication as one-way. Edgery 24 — absolutely right, follow-up is critical. We’ll be launching the new website soon and I hope this conversation will continue, I don’t want to let this one go.
Old Gardener 35 — Now I know where folks grew up, where they went to school, where their grandmothers were born, etc. and those are good ways to connect with them on a human basis.
Very good point and that’s what distinguishes us from astroturf. Very, very important.
I’m on daddy duty right now,get in on the dicussion in a little bit
Peterr & Pacifica - given that Boxer had been on the YKos schedule for quite some time, it seems odd that her only preparation would have been a speech. When wading into the largest gathering of netroots-ers and bloggers, it’s hard to understand why she was not better prepared for those spontaneous hallway interviews
Anne at 37
You’re hitting at the heart of the problem. AdNag’s sneers at the YKos crowd when he says that this is probably the first time that they have heard a stump speech, but he’s surrounding a real point.
Stump speeches aren’t gonna be all that effective in these fora. They’re essentially contentless. They reinforce the play-it-safe messaging that has become the hallmark of the beltway consultants. In their foxholes, as Feingold says, in fear of a 30 second radio spot in the next general election.
The reason Dean was and is effective is that he does not shy away from clear, firm statements. The reason they sabotaged him (as Markos and Jerome document) is that they fear clear, firm statements. This is going to be a lengthy educational process, but wins by Tester and Lamont will become teaching moments–if they happen, that is.
Old Gardener at 35 –
Way to go! Ask them often (or to paraphrase Chicago politicos, early and often). We delivered the books mostly to the front desk person, except where we could get to the member or another staffer. In many offices, the book likely has landed in a pile of gifts or on a bookshelf somewhere. It’s a good idea to point that out, ask them to track it down so the MoC can get it into her/his hands. Remind them you’ll be getting back to them re: a reaction. CTG is a wonderful conversation opener I’ve found. Jim Moran (VA) added it to his list in part because he knows Armstrong but more because of what we did.
Nothing to report on follow up…yet.
However I would like to share a story about reaching out to elected officials from the opposition party. Read about the response BostonJoe’s Petals for Peace effort received:
http://www.boomantribune.com/s.....2134/80593
I’d provide the link to the reciprocal post at DailyKos, but I still can’t get into the site even though I’ve cleared history and cache. Amazing work, and almost cliche response by one of the “beneficiaries”. Heh.
I just want to point out again how awesome edgery was at the disribution of the books. The project would have failed without her timely infusion of know-how and logistical management. You are a real treasure, m’lady!
Pach
Yes, but you’re leaving out the fact that she also spearheaded the pre-delivery organization of the books, by building, and within building, by office, with stickers inside and post-it notes outside. Oh, and made up maps for everybody, and spreadsheet printouts with locations by building. And gave a very helpful introduction to Hill etiquette on the day of the action.
When I walked up to the group, sweating, tugging along on three boxes of books on a trolley, I said “edgery, you’re in charge.” And she certainly was.
jayackroyd says
June 11th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
If a liberal is one who resents the administration’s trampling of the Constitution - then I’m a liberal.
If a liberal is one who doesn’t believe in attacking non-threatening sovereign countries - then I’m a liberal.
If a liberal is one who can’t even fathom how a govt can think torture’s a *good* thing - then I’m a liberal.
If a liberal is one who thinks that the govt should damn well stay off my phone and internet lines - then I’m a liberal.
If a liberal is one who fails to hate merely because my “leaders” tell me I should hate - then I’m a liberal.
And if there are some who consider that calling me a liberal is an insult - then..
fuck ‘em.
Ed Kilgore is a great guy — does anyone know if he is looking to jump ship from the DLC?
And instead of yKos, later this summer Denver is hosting a DLC convention, with Hillary and Rahm and the rest of the krew, rolling out their plan to take over America.
Pach at 46 –
you’re absolutely right, I meant to type “some” not “many”. I have friends who have worked at DLC — maybe I should check in to see what going on. Will report back.
Jane, Jayackroyd,
One approach that will hasten the demise of said bubble is for people like me - one of Pete Stark’s constituents - to contact his office, thank them for their kind reception of the book, and ask them to spread the word to other offices. If folks in PA can get Kanjorski to talk to other reps about the book, that will do wonders for getting it off the shelves and onto the reading stack for other staffers and members.
When we drop the books off, we’re outsiders coming in. If Stark, Kanjorski, and their staffers start talking about it with other members and staffers, that’s insider to insider - and their opinions will magnify our efforts.
ok, jay and pach, as much as I appreciate your compliments, I’m just an old Washington insider who wised up ;-) It was soooo much fun walking the old halls in a new way and with a lighter step. Reminded me of why I stopped and how much more gratifying it is to be a citizen-lobbyist.
Jay at 53: Magnificent — again!
I tell you what, those of you with top organizational/logistics IQs (edgery, siun, et al.), I live in awe of your breed — and BOY am I glad you’re on our side!
Peterr at 56–
My suggestion would be to ask for Yoni Cohen, the press secretary who chased down Matt.
We were supposed to get a meeting with Dodd himself. That turned into a meeting with CoS. Meeting the CoS was way more productive. She could be franker, we could be franker. She knows how to talk to the Senator. We don’t.
One thing this visit reinforced for me is that staff contact is key. They’re the ones who deliver the message to the boss. We want to influence them–the boss can’t speak openly and honestly to us, at least at this point in time in American history.
And, while we don’t bring money to the table, we do bring buzz and we may even bring votes. We need to get staff to understand that–and we need some high-profile wins.
This next week’s “Take Back America” conference will be rather interesting as its list of speakers is heavily weighted with DLC folks; the sponsoring organization is dense with old-school union and educational institution folks.
Wonder what we’ll be seeing emerging as the storyline from this conference, apart from our ReddHedd?
Peterr at 56 –
so true. everytime someone calls and asks how the MoC likes the book, it reinforces that there are people out there–constituents–who know what’s going on. someone out at YearlyKos said we can be the megaphone, and this is a great time to do it. Let Boxer know what’s happening with Joe/Ned. Help Stark get the message out about CTG. As we create these opportunities, it’s all about how we use them to engage others and the Hill.
Also, totally agree re the staff. Members get sliced and diced over minor verbal gaffs; staff have the luxury of not always being in the spotlight. They are our best friends into the office (or our worst nightmares if we tic them off).
OK’I'm here,did I miss anything?
punaise –
Thanks! for copying my msg to “Steve” in the last thread; I was just about to repeat it when I saw you took care of it.
I have a feeling we may get a flood of folks with less than friendly, open, or honest sentiment now that FDL has become even MORE high-profile as a result of the conference.
But we all know the drill now, and that it’ll pass. And that it’s a sign of increasing success!
Any democrat that uses the internets is a part of a left wing echo chamber that speaks to a hyper-partisan, very liberal slice of the democratic party.
That is big time marginalization of a broad spectrum and massive segment of our society. Marcos mentioned something about 10,000,000 internet users - I don’t recall the context.
The statement is full of misleading hyperbole that is intended to smear democrats.
Part of its intent is to frighten fence sitting “conservatives” and “centrists” (and plain ignorant buffoons) who might otherwise be willing to consider a progressive agenda.
Part of its intent is to convince status quo democratic leaders that we are a wacky leftist fringe. Many leading dems wish it were true and it comforts them to hear it.
It is insulting. Its an uphill battle fighting against this kind of Pumkinhead Propaganda day and night.
jayt says at 2:46 pm –
Great “If XYZ is true, then I am a Liberal” narrative –
I gave the Dukakis campaign a similar script the week before the election — the Duke said he was a Liberal, but without the force of the buildup.
I, too am a Liberal —
Liberals saved the Country, when the Conservatives caused the Great Depression . . .
Liberals saved the world, when Conservatives were funding Nazi Germany and calling for neutrality . . .
Liberals saved the world, when the Soviet Union was trying to crush the West and Conservatives wanted Nuclear War . . .
Liberals saved America, by enacting Civil Rights legislation — Conservatives became Republicans, to hide their racism and hatred of the America that wasn’t white or rich.
Liberals made a huge mistake, by thinking that Republicans would play fair, or respect the rule of law.
Liberals are now PISSED OFF, and ready to kick some GOP Ass . . .
Rayne at 60
I can’t be there (work) but hope others will do live-blogging so others can get a feel for what’s going on. Will it be the old-style politicians talking to themselves, or will there be a few rumbles in the crowd calling for change?
1,177 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND..
The impact of the blogromp in Vegas will be felt for a long time. We should talk up the upcoming gathering in DC, I think that C-SPAN coverage of various seminars and panels at these events could advance “the movement” in quantum leaps Monthly gatherings on specific timely topics could be a model for the new think tank, AEI, CATO or even Brookings. If we can keep a national weekend seminar goin every month on different timely topics like Iraq or election protection or Plamegate or…I think that the coordination on line between the “major blogs” could pull this off and it would go a long way to finishin’ off the corporate media’s controll of opinion-making.
KEEP THE FAITH, WE’VE GOT THE EMPEROR LOOKIN’ FOR HIS PANTS!!!
NFT@67
The Emperor lookin’ for his pants? Maybe they are with the WMDs. Under his desk? Under his bed? Heaven knows what we’d find consorting with the dust bunnies under the bed.
staff have the luxury of not always being in the spotlight.
We’ve also been very respectful of keeping things off the record. I know that sounds like acting like Jim Vanderhei, but there’s that sausage making thing involved. There’s been more communication with the Hill than we’ve recounted here. Our ability to influence is tied to our ability to keep in touch discreetly, and provide assistance in the educational process of communicating with the blogosphere.
And, you know, I’m just saying……
Today Markos pointed out to Russert that the Dean movement reflected a blogosphere a 20th the size of the blogosphere today. It’s not gonna get smaller, and YKos will contribute to further growth.
Moreover, I’m having repeated conversations with people who echo the blogosphere’s demand that someone stand up. People who are not on the web. The blogosphere represents a much broader movement than these people realize. And it’s already, itself, pretty damned broad.
I’ve also found that Glenn’s preface is a powerful force. I’ve said, about half a dozen times, to people who are not all that politically engaged, to just read the first page and a half.
They’ve responded, invariably, by saying that’s exactly how I feel.
Re: “the titanium bubble” — nice turn of phrase, as always, Jane — it seems to me that it’s the classic one of forgetting who your constituents are. If you never talk seriously to the electorate, except at staged dog and pony shows, like the fundraiser I’m about to attend, it’s pretty easy to think that the only folks who matter are your peers and your pollsters.
That’s why talking dirty to them gets their attention. Once you do have their attention, best them in a couple of primaries where the issues are really issues, and I’ll wager they’ll stop worrying about “lese majeste” for good and all.
Modification of my 2:23pm suggestion for a second round of CtG book donations –
Invite FDLers and others to sponsor copies (purchased at a discount) which would then be the free half of a “buy one get one free” promotion for Hill Staffers . . .
That way, we send business to the bookstore that was so helpful, and get two wanted copies of the book into the hands of those who can put it to good use, from inside the system.
I am watching the Plame panel and I have to stop for a moment to say how proud I am of all of you and how impressed I am with the quality of your work. I just keep smiling as I watch it. You are all glowing!
OT — for those interested
At 7pm ET (in less than an hour) there’ll be a live streaming ACLU event on “Spying, Secrecy, and Presidential Power.” Found here:
http://www.aclu.org/presidentialpower
Speakers will include John Dean and James Bamford, among others.
If you have to miss it live, I think it’ll be archived at the ACLU website later.
All right,I’m caught up on the comments now.I’d like to say how much I enjoyed meeting everyone involved in the CtG project.It was great being involved,to take some action,though I did’nt realize it would have as much of an effect as it seems to have had.
Also was good to meet Jim,my’partner in crime’from MDroots.Thought about ya as I fought Beltway traffic coming home from climbing yesterday.
Uh, you may have guessed (although I forgot to write) that the ACLU event is TONIGHT.
By the way ya’all-I delivered Leberman’s copy.
it seems to me that it’s the classic one of forgetting who your constituents are.
William Timberman at 69
It seems to be deeper than that to me. What makes the bubble out of titanium is that they seem to be engaged in a systematic project to not merely forget their constituents, but eliminate their relevance. The backlash that you’re seeing in the rank and file of the Republican party is driven by exactly the same emotions and observations that is driving our demand that Democrats stand up.
In the Republican case, the religious right, the libertarians and the fiscal conservatives are finally starting to notice that their programs are not being advanced. This is especially true in the west, as an article in this month’s Atlantic discusses. The libertarian, small government folks out there don’t support much of anything this government is doing right now. The religious right has gotten very little in the way of rewards for their loyalty.
It’s the same mechanism; incumbency trumps policy. Making money trumps responsible governance. Playing it safe trumps telling the truth. Gerrymandering trumps constituent responsiveness.
DMM –
Re: Lieberman’s copy. Did you include a little note, perhaps? ;-)
nancy 72-
I agree.
The Plame Panel was the best feature of the program on Friday. I saw all of Friday’s but did not see any Saturday YKos programming.
Of course, the Plame Panel contained all the stars.
In any event, it was very well done. All speakers were interesting and top notch.
Mrs. K8
No, we were very, very nice to everyone. I even had some rubberstamps, leftover from the rubberstamp action, that I intended to drop into Snowe’s office. (I’m from ME originally and have a 207 VOIP line that I use to call her.) But it was just a few days after Snowe-Dorgan, and we were all being so positive, I didn’t have the heart. So, instead, I spoke with a staffer I’d exchanged email with, and thanked them for her sponsorship of net neutrality.
An important point about meeting with staffers is that it is much better to go into it with an attitude of “Let’s all learn something” than “Here are all of my talking points, shut up and learn from me.” You all may think that everyone on the hill is clueless, but that would not be correct. They have heard most of your talking points before, so unless you engage them, you are just pissing into the wind. Dave and I spoke with a nice staffer from Sen. Sarbanes’ office about international relations. She was very knowledgable about the NPT, the India and Iran situations, and Iraq, but was interested to learn about other sources of info like Juan Cole. A lot of bloggers might jump up and shout “You must be an idiot not to know about Juan Cole”, but she was actually incredibly well-informed. We’re all ignorant of something, I’m quite sure.
K8,
No,but you can belive I wanted to.Perhaps saying how much I’ve donated to Lamont.
But we were playing nice.
jim preston 80 — good point. It’s about communication, a two-way street. Listening is just as important.
Well, jackaroyd 77, that’s a loop we either have to BUST or lose our country to. I prefer to think of it as a helix whose bottom we’ve spiralled down to — and now we’re starting to spiral back up.
It used to be a loop, but along came the Web/blogosphere and sat down beside it. Smashed its perfect closedness and sprang the thang lose from itself. Now with its ends open again, the helix is not only navigable but flushed with fresh air — at last.
(Mixed me a metaphor or more there, but I still kinda like it. *g*)
As Jim and Jay have stated,we made more progress because we weren’t shrill,pushing our agenda,whatever.I think these staffers have special intrest groups screaming at them all day,but a whisper can get their attention,espesally one that is resonable.
Here’s another excerpt from DMM’s recount of his visit: re Lieberman
Jim Preston 80
Second the good point. What we in MA are doing with Jon, the staffer is mutually trying to figure out how we can work together to help one another. It isn’t about us asking for action or him asking for support. The virtue of having the promise of monthly meetings is that we get to figure this out together.
I can’t tell you how pumped we felt each time we met with him or another staffer before him. We left the meeting energized and aware that next time we need to build in time to sit and debrief afterwards. It is a learning process for us all. We’re just thrilled to have someone receptive to doing this with us.
I don’t think our situation needs to be unique. Especially after this week in Vegas, I’d bet that more congress critters will want to build a relationship with us. Now would be a great time for follow-up after all the press we have gotten.
Question, Jane:
Has anyone discussed a nationwide project for getting copies of CTG to Dem party leadership in each state? Govs, candidates, campaign chairs, etc? If we’re wanting to build awareness and a coalition on every level, wouldn’t this be a plus?
Jim Preston at 80
Yes, I came away with the same impression of the importance of listening. They are, in fact, much, much more knowledgable than we are about the progress of legislation and about the contents of bills. There have been times when we were providing useful information–in a meeting with my USRep’s local office on net neutrality, for example. But, for the most part, I think we should be trying get into the flow of information that moves through their offices. We can only do that by being respectful.
It’s important to keep in mind that policy staffers spend all their time on their issues. They know way more than we do.
Here’s an excerpt from an pose by a guest blogger on Steve Clemons’s site. The writer, a “young pup” senate aide when Bobby and Jack Kennedy were alive, is incensed that Busby lost and blames it on the DLC/”consultariat class.” Elsewhere in the essay, he argues that the party needs to figure out how to use the people power of the blogosphere. It’s worth reading the whole thing.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c.....001476.php
“In the recent California House election, at a time when the previous incumbent embodies incarceration for corruption, when the popularity of the Republican President is at catastrophic lows, when the favorable ratings of the one party Republican Congress are barely above the bird flu, it is a pathetic performance and a red alert warning to Democrats that they could only exceed John Kerry’s vote in the district by 1%.
“Everyone knew for many months this election was coming, and was important. With the ability of the entire Democratic Party to focus on one House election, of such importance, at such a critical moment, it is inexcusable that the Republicans could outspend the Democrats by huge amounts, and my guess is, it would make the Kenny O’Donnells and Larry O’Briens fist pounding angry that some Democratic spinmeisters would try to spin this into a positive.
“It was inexcusable, with months to plan for this election, that Democrats were outmanned on absentee voting; that the candidate of the Party was so sloppy and unprepared that she blunders on the front page issue of immigration; and that the Party that has become almost completely dominated by a consultariat class was so media un-savvy that the candidate doomed herself, with a wrongheaded apology, that only guaranteed saturation coverage to the demonization attack against her.
“I have no doubt, that with months to plan for this important election, Jack, Bobby, and Kenny would have made damn sure that every power and resource of the party was poured into the district to win; The money would have been raised and spent. Armies would have focused on the machinery of the election. The message would have been clear, hard and focused. There would have been no apologies, but instead a ringing call to action, participation, voting rights, and winning. The Republicans did this. Democrats did not.”
Makes me wonder why she didn’t get the assets she needed.
One thing that struck me,these are real people,real offices and many(most)were quite friendly.I was used to thinking of”the Government”,A faceless,monolithic and somewhat threatining machine.I can walk in to my Reps or Senator’s office and sit down and talk to someone who will at least listen.Very eye opening to me.
IowaDem
I raised this idea in an email to Pach a few days ago. He replied by asking what concrete action I wanted to propose. I left my draft reply open for a day, and didn’t come up with one.
I don’t think reaching out to the DNC is a book action. I saw a glimmering in one of Pach’s YKos posts when he mentioned partnership with Drinking Liberally. A Drinking Liberally group in each state capital that include routine DNC attendence might be a starting point.
In the midst of the yay Jim Moran party, please know that he just voted AGAINST net neutrality.
I am a constituent and have sent off a hot email about his vote.
No this isn’t the Congressman I had dinner with. That narrows it down, right?
I wonder whether L3’s in Moran’s district, and how much they contribute?
“Vilsack in AdNag’s column today complained about “personal attacks” directed at the DLC. It’s very interesting to see that kind of comment when Markos, and the netroots have been consistently framed in a derisive fashion. “
They can dish it out but they can’t take it.
Fuck ‘em all!
Conventional Politics is all about usurping the people and claiming to speak in their voice. This is followed up byt a rigorously enforced silencing of those th politicians claim to speak for.
Their KAPOS of choice — the “Mainstream” media and the Punditocracy as embodied by the likes of Joe Klein.
Yes, that’s right David. Moreover, they don’t say a word about wingnut radio. Well, it takes Ann Coulter dissing widows and orphans for them to say something. But that’s a pretty high bar.
Did’nt Coulter admit to Hannity once that”we have the media now.”
Afternoon. So, what’s the difference between net-roots, grass-roots, and Progressive Democrats?
I guess net-roots means folks who are all internet savy….but there’s lots of potential voters who are progressive democrats but could care less about laptops and all that.
Are the net-roots reaching out to the grass-roots? Are the net-roots making it clear to progressive democrats that while we, the net-roots love computers, you don’t have to be a net-head to join us?
Ghostman
jayackroyd 97
Last night after the events I was downloading some web sites and sitting at a table with a couple of our people and one troll from “Hot Air”
I played the C&L pice of Keith going after the Ann Coulter apologists. He groaned and groaned. They hate it that Ann is being held up as the voice of the repugs. It was if I was holding up a crucifix in front of a vampire — that was the reaction he gave.
Lets pile on, I say.
Ann Coulter speaks for ALL republicans.
lets say it over and over again.
Ghostman,
I’m in the ‘net roots’,but I kinda hate computers.
RevDeb,
Ann represents their base,they can’t deny her.
ALWAYS refer to mAnn Coulter as “Republican pundit and spokeswoman Ann Coulter.” Always.
Deb ,we are way overdue on calling them on their spokespeople and surrogates. It’s the kind of thing I’d like to see MoveOn do–compile a couple of 30 second ads of Republicans saying outrageous things–O’Reilly on Malmedy, Falwell on 9/11 as God’s revenge, Fred Phelps, Coulter dissing widows and orphans, Limbaugh on jailing addicts….
These people have been speaking to their echo chamber. It’d be good for all Americans to hear their lying hatred.
sorry I’ve been away for a bit — this is a bit off-topic but more like what is the next way to help our Dems (incumbents and challengers) see what we can bring to the table:
just had a brainstorm over at DK because of a georgia10 diary just up (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/18359/2022) titled “A Single-Step Guide For Democrats”. The bottom line: Step 1: Be Authentic. to which I replied:
jayackroyd 103 -
That’s a GREAT idea. 30 second PSA etc, “Voices of the GOP”.
Jay
Works for me. You shouldda seen him cringe! It was great.
A late question for edgery, et al:
What could we do for staffers that they’d appreciate and would be well within the law? An occasional pizza? Better coffee?
I’m searching for something that would make their office lives a little easier or more bearable, given that there’s tons of pressure and a crushing workload. Having gained some entre via your (pl.) terrific efforts, how can we continue to build that part of the relationship?
Ghostman at 98
The net makes it possible to organize at very low costs. That’s why we are focused on the internet in the Roots Project. Also, it turns out that the two critical software applications for netroots activity–the web browser and the email client–represent a very shallow learning curve for most users. While it’s true there are still many people without an email address, that has been changing very rapidly. By 08, the net will be no more a barrier than the telephone or the television is now.
105 and 106
Yeah, but I got no way into MoveOn. Do you?
Wolcott is great on Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter (thanks BobbyG):
jayackroyd 109 -
No, but they gotta be pitched to do this.
A general rule-of-thumb in Congressional offices about gifts is “no more than the cost of a baseball cap”.
Jay 104 — great idea
al-Scooter 108 — well, have to take into consideration gift limits, and also that as much as we may want to make their lives easier (and they are, for the most part, incredibly underpaid until they get into the CoS/senior staff positions), it’s as much about teaching them to reach out to us as it is teaching them to expect ’stuff’ from us. Each office is different — start with the simple question: what can I do for you? the old ‘help me help you’ line is a good one. I’m one person but on-line I connect with lots of people; what question do you want answered? I don’t suggest being their ditto-machine but helping them to get information about what matters most to constituents is good. And a CARE-basket that will get through security is always appreciated (i.e., sorry no homemade cookies and definitely nothing with powered sugar!). Hometown paper, prepackaged local goodies, along with a message like “Enjoy these as you read CTG. I look forward to hearing your comments on the book and how we can work together.”
So that’d buy a cup of Peet’s?
109, jayackroyd: thanks for the response. Two things:
1. I just think there are lots of folks out there who have nothing to do with computers, or the internet.
2. I also think, among computer-internet users, there’s lots of people who would never use the computer for political blogs….thus they would remain in the dark as to the net-roots message.
But overall…I just don’t know.
Ghostman
RevDeb -
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
Republican Pundit and Spokeswoman, Ann Coulter
over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over …
Jay re MoveOn: I’m on the local Operation Democracy council (part of MoveOn). I’ll ask Matt this week when I have a meet with him.
mmmmm….Peet’s coffee
BobbyG 117
LOL. Would be ROTFLOL but I don’t have the energy!
over and oven
crimson and cloven
al-Scooter,
If I may,just give them feedback,listen to them,some give and take.Offer raw info in a resonable way and be involved.So many don’t care until they lose somthing they like or their toes are otherwise stepped on,then they scream bloody murder.
1,178 DAYS AND THE KILLING GOES ON AND ON AND…
Jackaroyd @ 92:
I think yer on to somethin…by workin thru “the roots” I think an organized and scheduled group-grope that includes DNC reps in each state capitol is a terrific idea. Monthly meetins in the same place could attract “netroots” folks from the hinterland and reinforce the DNC efforts.
I have a project that I’m gunna try and get “roots” help with…our congressman here is Ron Kind, and he has voted for the bankruptcy bill and against netrality. We hafta find a way to bring ‘im to heel…he’s been takin progressive voters fer granted. A regular meetin’ of “roots” and DNC folks could help with an effort like that.
I like the way you think Jack…
KEEP THE FAITH AND WE’LL RUN ‘EM ALL OUTTA TOWN!!!
ACLU Town Hall Webcast re: lawsuit against NSA for warrantless wiretapping. They will be taking questions from all over the country.
edgery says this above:
“Step 1: Be Authentic”
I want to shift that topic slightly. One of the things I learned retrospectively from this project is just how important authenticity is when dealing with the netroots. We’re all so cynical wrt marketing campaigns that any volunteer action is suspect.
We made a number of decisions, thoughtfully, with much discussion of how to do things like buy the books–from whom, how much, how to pay for them. In retrospect, those discussions were all about authenticity and, as importance, the appearance of authenticity. We didn’t coordinate with the CtG book tour. We did not get the books for free from the publisher, though we could have. We did not have some sugar daddy buy out the copies needed, and put up a paypal button for donations, although we had offers. We didn’t coordinate with Markos and Jerome for a simultaneous diary posting. We didn’t even tell them we were doing this until the day before, when Philo happened to run into Jerome at a function. We delivered by hand. We stickered the books with a personalized note.
And so forth. You should note that all these decisions made the project more difficult. But they all made it more authentic–an undeniable instance of a book delivery by and from a citizen to a specific elected representative.
In a world where advertisers do everything they can to simulate authenticity, it takes real work to develop an authentic action.
What I found most interesting about this is that we didn’t, in my recollection, use that word during the planning phases. But we were obsessed with getting that aspect of the project right. It shows how deeply the notion of authenticity is in our bones in this environment. This is, in my opinion, the biggest gulf that traditional politicians have to cross. They’ve been engaged, since sometime around the Nixon era, in a process of removing all authenticity from their presentations of their candidacies.
We’re seeing this writ large in CT. The reason that Lieberman’s bleatings that his voting record is plenty good isn’t working is because he comes across as phony (not to mention the WATB aspects). We don’t need many successful candidacies based on authenticity to turn the tide. And it is tremendously helpful that the two people at the very top of the R ticket are seen as deeply unreliable.
The next rootsy project that I want to do is to put together more cohesive information about voter-suppression and potential fraud in electronic voting. We have an organization called truevoteMD here in Maryland that is active, and bradblog is here, but I am still worried that this stuff is not getting enough play. I am very, very worried about suppression and fraud in the mid-terms.
Of course, anti-war stuff takes most of my time. I sure wish the blogosphere would join up with the streetosphere a little more on that!
peace,
jim
DMM 122 - so true. one of the things I noticed during book delivery was how often the staffers were waiting for the ‘gimme’ as we handed them the book.
They are so used to people coming in asking or telling the MoC what to do, how to vote, that folks actually trying to make a connection are rare, and very welcome.
It’s part of the titanium bubble mentioned above, though. First, you have to help them realize you may actually want to have that conversation that goes beyond the standard talking points. As they come to realize you are a reasonable helpful person, they will be more open though probably still a bit wary. That’s just life on the Hill. Any good relationship takes time.
Jay re MoveOn: I’m on the local Operation Democracy council (part of MoveOn). I’ll ask Matt this week when I have a meet with him.
That’d be great. I’d be happy to be in the loop, if you want. Also either C&L or PoliticsTV might be a helpful resource. I don’t know the politics of MoveOn, although, like most of the progressive world, I get their email.
RE: Authenticity
A nugget from a Real Estate Sales training class, 30 years ago:
“Be Sincere — whether you mean it or not.”
Truth be told, perceptions count for more than reality — although it is usually easier for a politician to be perceived as authentic if they are.
But George W Bush is a phony — Al Gore is for real . . . what went wrong?
NorskeFlamethrower at 122
Drop me a note, and we can kick around this idea. jay at ackroyd dot org.
I can get Pach involved and we can see whether there is a drinking liberally chapter in your state.
In the meantime, a visit to the Congressman’s local office, say with a packet of docs making the net neutrality case, starting with Matt Stoller’s stuff, is a way to get started. I honestly think that we influenced my Congresswoman in a postive way on this issue, through a local staff meeting.
And while I don’t think our visit to Hillary’s office had much influence, we did hear back from them after she signed onto to Snowe-Dorgan.
One of the great things about this was experiencing how accessible our government really is. Every office has a sign outside that say “Please come in.”
That’s very encouraging. I was worried each Congressman’s door might have on it a photo of David Broder with the caption:
This Is Not Your Place
jim at 126 — I’m assuming you’re fully hooked into Common Cause and their verifiable voting efforts?
jay at 125 — for me, the reason to be involved with the book delivery action was that everyone and everything about it reeked of authenticity (and I mean that in a very positive way!). it made the difference for me, and I believe I saw it make a difference with staffers as they realized we were just ordinary folks trying to connect with our elected representatives.
I think a “return” to that style of politics (like I’ve seen as I’ve been helping/following Al Weed’s campaign in Virginia’s 5th district) is what will bring out people who abandoned voting.
Seems there is a lot of pandering to the phone companies on both sides. Obviously , the telcos have got heavy duty lobbyists. I know that big asshat Tom Feeney(R-Wang Software vote theft scandal) in Florida loves to give the phone companies more of the taxpayer’s money.
The dems used that issue to no avail the last time Feeney ran.
We’ve got to beat them on this net neutrality issue or they’re gonna F**k up the internets big time.
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Somebody over at MyDD has been writing about voter fraud and suppression. This is the ultimate grass roots issue, where precinct by precinct diligence is the only thing that works. I don’t know how much of what RFKJr wrote about is true, but it all reflects precinct by precinct attention by the republicans.
edgery #113 & DMM #121:
In building relationships like these, there’s some optimum frequency of contact that will keep us on the radar screens in an appropriate way and some tradeoff that will help build goodwill for when we might need a favor.
I’m looking for some low-cost reason to show up and not always because we want something right then. Putting ourselves in the position of the person across the desk/counter from us is a powerful way to communicate, because people generally decide to behave based on their own needs. And one of our strengths is empathy, right?
Obviously we can’t, and shouldn’t, throw dough around the way the K Street types do, but building and cementing relationships with staffers through their careers is one more guerilla tactic in our armamentarium.
So if I were to visit these offices every once in a while, what could I say or do or bring that would have a staffer saying, “Oh, good! al-Scooter’s here!”?
It’s important to remember Congresscritters have 2 official staffs. One is up on Capitol Hill in Washington DC. The 2nd staff is back home in the District or State. The 2nd staff is expressly to deal with constituents directly. A Senator may have several offices all over the state. A Congressperson usually has just one district office but in large geographic areas, may also have several offices spread around.
The point is: you dont have to go to DC to contact your Congresscritter staff! The DC office workers are focused on Washington but the local people are much more concerned with local concerns and politics. The district people are there precisely to get feedback from the constituents (voters). Work the homies!
edgery 131
I remember your inital hestitance–worried that we were setting up ambushes. You weren’t the only one to express such a concern. It’s a profound goal of the Roots Project to be associated only with authentic events.
And, you know, I’m finding that the contacts we made do seem to respect that. There was an email exchange today with one of my contacts (promised a quote for the piece, but couldn’t get it done in time) which made it quite clear that they do get the idea that we don’t represent anyone.
al-Scooter,
How bout,”How can we work together?”,or”what message can I help you get out to the roots?”.Often their ideas are shut out by MSM,never heard.And there’s always offers of pushback for Republican Represenitives or Congressman.Such ideas may be very welcome.
‘course I could be wrong…
al-Scooter 135:
So if I were to visit these offices every once in a while, what could I say or do or bring that would have a staffer saying, “Oh, good! al-Scooter’s here!”?
Find out who the staff person is on an issue you really care about. Check out the Congressional Yellow Book at your local library (or tell me what state/district you’re in) for the staff list and assignments.
See when the MoC is in the district next and having an open meeting; toss out a couple of softball questions if possible. Be sure to shake hands afterwards, get a card into a staffer’s hands so they’ll have a name/face connection.
Send in some editorials or articles that they might have missed on local issues. Yes, they have folks do clippings but an extra one or two doesn’t hurt. Diaries from blogs are especially good since after all we’re trying to get them to see blogosphere as not so scary. (skip the snarky comments though)
Stopping by without warning is often not so good since they have votes and committee meetings and stuff, but call up and say you’d like to drop by on …. . See if he/she would like to head down to the cafeteria for a cuppa or lunch, etc. (Don’t have to pay, in fact I’d suggest you don’t — the cafeteria’s are incredibly cheap with good food and all buildings also have quick snack places as well.)
Keep asking what’s on the Congresscritter’s mind, what’s coming up, help me help you.
Bring along another constituent. Bring along constituent ideas, news from home, etc.
Hope these top-of-the-head thoughts help.
This is just simply great stuff. I’ve read the book, and thinking that my Congressman (Pastor) is going to be exposed to it to is quite bracing. Has this been a great week or what? Thanks FDL & friends!
jay 104:
… we are way overdue on calling them on their spokespeople and surrogates. It’s the kind of thing I’d like to see MoveOn do – compile a couple of 30 second ads of Republicans saying outrageous things – O’Reilly on Malmedy, Falwell on 9/11 as God’s revenge, Fred Phelps, Coulter dissing widows and orphans, Limbaugh on jailing addicts….
That ad campaign would surely be no end of amusing to us, Jay, but honestly, I’m having trouble understanding how it could transform Rep or Indy voters into Dem voters, or roust election-day stay-at-homes out to the polls.
Now I see that edgery — obviously way more clued-in than I, likes it. What am I missing here? How would such ads attach themselves to the friendly local Repug congresscritter and/or wannabe in a non-Rootz voter’s mind?
Meanwhile, for those following my LTE-making efforts this afternoon, here’s the version I just sent a-wingin’ to the Daytona Beach News-Journal:
“‘Net neutrality’ backers vow to fight telecom bill” (N-J, June 10) reported that House Republicans Friday passed a bill backed by the telecom industry that would — provided the Senate and the President agree — make the Internet operate like pay-for-view desktop TV, place toll-booths on the Information Superhighway, and force our health insurers, banks, favorite online retailers, blogs — all websites, in fact — to pay heavy new fees to keep their sites available to us on broadband.
As the measure heads to the U.S. Senate this week, you may spot TV or print ads opposing it from “Hands Off the Internet” or “NetCompetition.org,” organizations lobbying for AT&T, Verizon and Comcast.
Please phone or fax Senators Bill Nelson and Mel Martinez immediately to ask them to vote FOR S.2917, the Internet Freedom Preservation Act, as introduced. You can reach Sen. Nelson at 202-224-5274 (phone) or 202-228-2183 (fax), and Sen. Martinez at 202-224-3041 (phone) or 202-228-5171 (fax).
If we snooze this week, we will surely lose our free Internet.
It would be a good idea to have placed the book and a CD version of it to play while in a car…..
Despite what people think, the Congress person is a very busy individual….some may read it but a CD would allow them to listen while driving…
I love the idea of going to the offices in person.
There’s a really funny/interesting video of John Aravosis on a panel in Vegas up on Politics TV.com. You can stream with Quicktime or Windows Media.
Thanks, Mrs. K8, for the heads up on the Politics TV site!
edgery #138:
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It was exactly what I was searching for, a Constituent’s Manual for Interacting with Staff! It’s very helpful, because we and they have little time to waste on ineffective calls.
And that was an OT comment at 142. Gimme time… I’m learning!
lotus–
The idea would be to portray them as radical nutjobs. They use these surrogates to talk to their base voters, but don’t use them to talk to the rest of us. They use code words when talking to mixed audiences, which resonates with their base’s experience of their red meat language in private.
Have you not noticed that the republicans portray democrats with effective messages as whack-jobs? That Dean was converted from a good government centrist opposed to the war into a screaming liberal?
It would be a good idea to have placed the book and a CD version of it to play while in a car%u2026
I’ve already passed this suggestion on to the publisher. We met over Memorial day weekend at her offices. They are considering it, and were before I brought it up.
DMM #137:
Definitely food for thought. Sounds like information, thoughtfully provided, is valued and doesn’t get into the gift/bribe legal area at all. Definitely plays to netroots’ strength.
lotus at 140 said Now I see that edgery %u2014 obviously way more clued-in than I, likes it. What am I missing here? How would such ads attach themselves to the friendly local Repug congresscritter and/or wannabe in a non-Rootz voter’s mind?
part of MoveOn’s role in politics, for better or worse, has been to take on the other side — check out their red-hands ads that have been more effective than I expected in the targeted districts like Thelma Drake in VA.
I think some people who vote Republican aren’t like the rabid nuts like Falwell and Coulter and wouldn’t want to be associated with them. But they go about their daily lives, have little or no contact with the nuts, don’t see why some Dems are so opposed to the Repubs, and think it has nothing to do with them.
Then they see a MoveOn ad showing the extremes of the Republican Party, and it may give them pause. It’s not something I would suggest to a regular politician or PAC, but MoveOn could pull it off. It would be an effort to move more folks to at least consider another voting option.
Well,I’ve got to go,sun’s setting and the rivers calling my name.It has truly been a pleasure,both on CtG day and today.If anyone ever wants or needs my help on anything,you know the e-mail.For roots participation in MD;
paradox65@comcastDOTcom
I’ll take it from there
See ya,DMM
thanks for everything Dave. Great work on the hill, and a nice post.
Ok I just contacted 16 friends to ask them to please vote for James Webb for Senate this Tuesday. This Virginia primary is supposed to be very close. Webb can defeat George Allen and derail Allen’s presidential run.
If you know anyone in Virginia, please urge them to vote for Webb. Turnout will be critical. It’s an open primary, people of either party can vote.
I’m ridiculously shy, and if I can contact 16 people, you can too. Then come on over and we’ll hide under the blanket together.
I’m also cutting out. I’ll check back in later. Also, feel free to send me email at jay at ackroyd dot org.
Thanks for stopping by. It was fun, and we’ve got a couple ideas to work on. The DNC/Drinking Liberally/NetRoots connection is the one I find most appealing.
Oh, and, Lotus, yes, edgery nailed it. That’s what MoveOn does. It runs ads that nail republicans. A campaign couldn’t do it. But they can start to frame a narrative of the republicans as out of control religious nuts who are opposed to, for example, a vaccine that would prevent cervical cancer and Plan B contraception for rape victims.
We can’t get such a narrative into the media without introducing it outside the media. The republicans have been very successful present radical narratives in their peripheral channels, and then working into their more mainstream channels.
rattling the cup : http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....195012/772
Ghostman @ 99, 116 and jayackroyd @ 109o
I also think that it is important to expand our message beyond the blogs. I am in awe of the progress that FDL and other blogs have made in the 9 months since I started reading FDL. But I am also aware of the number of people that are just not ready to get their information from the blogs.
I live in “you’re preaching to the choir” Pacifica. I am one of the more conservative members of my group of friends and about on par with my colleagues. (I am way better informed!) Although I did march in anti-war marches when I was in jr. high school (Viet Nam), I haven’t been particularly active since then. My friends include people who have been very politically active in gay and lesbian causes and others who have been equally active in environmental causes. Even some who have been to democratic conventions.
I have tried to get many people to read FDL or other blogs, but to no avail. I am the only person in my group of friends and colleages who is more comfortable getting my news online than through other sources.
In addition, I look at my parents. I would consider them to be moderate progressives, if that is possible. While they intensely dislike Bush, they really believe that the system has weathered worse pressures in the past and it is only a matter of time before the pendulum swings back.
If my dad does not see it in the MSM, he doesn’t believe it is happening. He thought I was way over-reacting to Katrina until he finally saw it on Face the Nation. After that, he was singing a different tune.
Its not that I don’t think that the blogs are doing an amazing job, its just that I think that we will be more successful in looking at how we can get our message out to a larger audience instead of relying solely on expanding our audience.
From the last thread (was out all afternoon):
Las Vegas has fairly strict water use rules. What you see at the hotels and casinos is pretty heavy use (but I’d bet a lot of it gets recycled). Homeowners have to live with much less water: small patches of grass, a short list of approved shrubs and trees, that sort of thing. (Personally, my objections are to the well-watered golf courses in deserts, but they aren’t exclusive to LV. I’m hoping that at some point sanity gets a foothold in the western US and people realize that we can cut water use without landscaping only with cactus.)
Sheesh, the $$ that I should be plunking in the FDL till have in recent weeks (and months) gone to purchase copies of CtG — and now, also, HWAPA.
I’ve been astounded by electeds and their staff (in my region) who are still unfamiliar with the term ‘netroots.’ However, I think by August a lot more browsers will be checking out progressive blogs, because I sense momentum building.
The smartest, most effective people that I know in government also tend to be the busiest and I am still awaiting news of a podcast link or CD-Rom version of CtG (and also HWAPA) that will allow them to do their drive-and-listen multitasking while getting up to speed.
Politicians who understand issues and are comfortable making decisions have little to fear from the Netroots. It’s all about accountability, and they’ll shine.
If I want to think about where to put my time and efforts, all I have to do is imagine Ann Coulter’s cruel, destructive, inhuman remarks — and then contrast it with the Netroots CtG project, and with my own experiences giving copies of CtG.
The CtG project is growing something that this country is in desparate need of — thanks from the bottom of my heart to all involved.
I’d encourage others on this list to take this concept and use it in your own county and city — you’ll be AMAZED to see what kinds of questions you are asked, and it’s money and time incredibly well spent.
That said, I also believe that people are so tired of being bashed and insulted that — as jayackroyd points out — a little civility and a nice thank you will get you an amazing distance these days.
I’ve really enjoyed doing my own little ‘mini CtG’ in my corner of the world. It’s one of the most positive, forward looking, engaging, meaningful ‘political acts’ that I’ve engaged in. It starts some really interesting conversations.
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Yes, Pacifica, that is why so much of our effort is directed at making the mainstream media more accountable and accurate. Getting Markos on Meet the Press to directly rebut the DLC narrative of crazy liberal bloggers is part of that effort.
I should have pointed that out in my reply. Thanks.
Oh my God do I have a lot of catching up to do. Just a quick drive by, yet another death in my extended family. I had to come to work and print out addresses.Not someone I knew well, I just have to notify hard to reach family members.Still, it’s never easy. I sooo missed VG’s pic.Like ,yesterday? I am very glad that every one that could went to YKOS. If the UK had press there, it made the news.See y’all t’morrow.BTW,punaise? You pin head. BwaaaaaHaaaaHaaa.Love y’all. BK.
jayackroyd @ 159-
And what a significant event that is! First Christy on Washington Journal and now Markos on Meet the Press! I can’t wait to see what is next!
154, pacifica: yep, you said it well. I especially agree with your last paragraph.
It might be that, as for me, I’m in general disagreement with Mr. Kos and his philosophy. But….I’m not sure. I haven’t yet read his book, so I withhold judgment. That’s only fair.
But….I guess I sort of look upon laptops and the internet as a “tool”. A useful tool…but not the be-all, end-all. Interesting, interesting.
Ghostman
Busted 160 - LOL, it was pretty tacky, sorry. see you in Late Nite?
what’s next? punaise on the Comedy Channel and Bill Clinton as UN Secy-General?
plutot La Comedie Francaise
busted 160? huh????
Ghostman
sorry, Ghostman, I was referring to Bustedknuckles at #160, which is now #158….
Punaise IS the Comedy Channel.
ck at 4:15.
Most Americans’ BS detectors have been tested to destruction. That’s the thing that scares me. The art of critical thinking is lost. The Me generation only wants to see or hear what they already “know.” It’s not original with me, and I wish I could give credit where it’s due, but: It’s not what (I/you/they-pick your pronoun) don’t know, it’s what (I/you/they-pick your pronoun) know that isn’t true. There’s so damned much received wisdom polluting our atmosphere now it’s difficult to know where to start the decontamination. Back to Lakoff, I guess. We have to set a backfire somehow, and I guess framing is a good bet. Cheesh, I am glad he’s on our side.
no nuke amens
Ruh-oh, punaise, you’re so subtle and I’m so tired that I need help widdat one.
interesting legal notes about the Libby Hearing tomorrow from TalkLeft http://talkleft.com/new_archives/015064.html
Been fairly busy today and did not see Markos on Meet The Press. Though I just noticed this post over at Talk Left:
Speaking only for myself, I strongly disagree. But I’m quite curious how Kos’s read of this situation plays over here at FDL. If Lieberman wins the primary, will you support him?
If Lieberman wins the primary, I’ll be RILL glad I live in Florida. (well, I am anyway, but you know . . . )
Ed N STed -
I believe that Ned Lamont has said it, too. And how can we complain if Lieberman does not agree to support Lamont if he wins the primary if we won’t make the same pledge?
Ed N STed - tough call - a taste of our own medicine? Howie Klein addressed this concept here in a different context yesterday. My take-away from that was that “any Dem is better than the best gooper”, but Lieberman? oy.
I’d support Lieberman running as a Democrat over a Republican in the fall election. The single most important vote (short of a war declaration) happens at the beginning of a session, where a Congresscritter votes for one party or another in matters of Congressional power allocation (leaders, committees, etc)
darn it, *ilson, do you have to be so “mature” about it? can’t we just take our ball and go home? :~)
Well then, *ilson 176, that settles that, no?
punaise, punaise, halp - help - holp! (at 168-169)
lotus - No New Comments
No Nuke Amens
Known Uke A Mince
etc…..add homonym
Just to clarify, here’s the exact quote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13189411/page/4/
We’d be supporting Lieberman over a damned dirty Republican. That’s an easy choice in my book. We need to take the Senate back.
But of course, I really want Lamont to win.
Ah. I looked at that, and all I could see was Tutankhamen. Which wadn’t gittin’ me anywhurs.
I think I’m ’bout baked for tonight.
I must admit that if Lieberman wins the primary, as a Hoosier I shant be sending him any money but I will extend my best wishes for a successful election!
lotus - don’t lose any sleep over it. some of us are easily amused.
*ilson, this is wildly inappropriate, but:
Hoosier daddy now?
Whazzat, punaise? Scuse me, I was getting a head start on not losing any sleep.
A gracious good night to all you dear littermates. Big day tomorrow, so sleep well.
(lotus folds)
I live in KS (or what everyone I met ay YKOS seems to refer to as What’s The Matter With Kansas?) where we have no D senators but one out of four reps is a D (KS 3rd). Who should I contact to find out who delivered to that congressperson and what the nature of the interaction was? I thought I might try to contact their office to see what they have to say about CtG, but would like to have some background first. If you have any info, leave it here and I will check back later (even if you are EPU’d). Thanks.
Hey,I’m back again!Had a great ‘couple mile paddle and caught the sunset on the Warwik river.Wind’s died down,water like glass.Fish splash on the surface from time to time.An osprey wheels overhead.Hear a boat in the distance,far off.
As far from politics as you can get.
lotus - ’tis I who’s easily amused, to the point of wasting DSL electrons. bonne nuit to ya.
punaise, you think you jest but allegedly one of the many stories about the origin of “hoosier” is precisely that: a friendly geneological question inquiring of one’s antecedents and/or relatives. I grew up in a small Indiana town where I was probably related to half the people there. My older relatives spent hours arguing over family trees…all branches of the family had been there since before the Civil War.
Does anyone have Barbara Boxer’s e-mail address? Having been at her speech to YKOS and later heard about the Lieberman interchange, I would like to drop her a note.
*ilson, I was jest askin’
DMM - nice!
neurophius-
You can email through her site if you are a CA resident. http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/index.cfm
I am a CA resident and plan to call her office tomorrow about those comments.
*ilson- Mod Com calls!
Another fantastic pup thread. :)
Republicans: Fine tuned on sour notes.
Punaise- cartier penhead :)
If RGJoe wins the primary…
I will never support Lieberman, I think he is wrong on to many issues, he is tired and bitter, finally he is not up for change. Gone sour. During elections like the bad Dems will win only my muffled disappointment for a few weeks at best. Joe is part of the problem. So are my Senators. That said I thought Markos was fantastic on mtp today. For a talking head forum he framed his message well.
WARNING: WORDY COMMENT
Pacifica (154), Ghostman (160) — yes, the internet is merely a tool…but we are talking about a tool that has the same potential as Gutenberg’s printing press, as radio and as television. They have been merely tools, too, but even you, Pacifica, note the power to change opinion that television has.
Look at the demographics of internet usage over the last ten years; you can obtain the data from sites like USC Annenberg School’s Center for the Digital Future and at Pew Internet & American Life Project. There is a coming convergence of communications — already here in some places — where the internet permeates all other communications, or mediates the same. (This convergence is one of the underlying forces behind the fight for net neutrality.) People who do not have access to the internet or use it to obtain their news are rapidly becoming a minority (I may be conservative on this point, they may already firmly be in the minority). Particularly for folks under 35, there is little they do not do that is in some way mediated by the internet.
There is a sea change in the party between the internet wired and non-wired; I can see it, am living it first hand. In no small way it is this very sea change that drives the reformation of the Democratic Party, its seeds germinating in the Dean primary campaign. People who were previously challenged to participate in the democratic (little d) process now found they could participate from whereever they were, no matter their situation, because of internet’s facilitating powers. While there are many other folks who are as hungry for change in the party as these new netroots folks, they are also being secondarily mediated by the internet.
For example: yesterday we canvassed voters, most of us organized by an internet site and by email. A smaller number were organized and rallied to participate by phonecalls made by folks who’d received their marching orders over the internet. All of us are marching in alignment with the DNC’s 50-State Strategy, itself having been promoted via the internet. We are the point at which the netroots meets the grassroots.
Yet the local party apparatus consists primarily of old timers who REFUSE to be internet savvy, who are not even aware there’s a 50-State Strategy being promoted by the national and state party because they will not participate as wired citizens. (I kid you not about the refusal; I had an argument with one of them this week about it.) In this day and age, we are talking about the equivalent of people who refuse to read anything that came off the printing press or hear anything that came over the radio when radio was king or refuse to watch news on television a la 1960’s. There is a point at which failing to use the new tool is not merely an inconvenience; I refer not to people who by no choice of their own cannot get access, but people who studiously avoid it. I have had to work with many of these people in the last 18 months as an activist, listened to them rant about what crazy freaks Deaniacs are, or how weird these internet users are, while priding themselves on their inability to turn on a computer. And these are people who have been viewed as leaders within the local party…
Until now. Their worldview is stuck in the 70’s, when Democratic Party members could still wait until September in an election year to open an office to establish a campaign presence. They didn’t check on their voters’ registration or monitor their opinions on issues. They did squat to organize for 20 or so months out of every 24 months of an election cycle.
Is there a relationship here, between their inaction and their refusal to be wired? I think so; the cycle time of news and opinion has collapsed over the last couple of decades to minutes from months, and they’ve simply ignored this, rejected changing their cycle time, too. They are living in a state of denial, refusing to change and grow, like dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs can either evolve or die; we will do what we can to encourage evolution, but at some point the best social genetics — memetics — must survive and the dinosaurs will be no more. What if our democracy depended entirely on our being able to be heard, in a world where communications are internet-based in their entirety? Will it be the internet-mediated who are heard, or the dinosaurs that rejected it?
This comment will not be taken well by all here — but if you’re here in this thread, you’ve already transcended the evolutionary veil between the digital future and the non-digital past. Who is it that should be reading this that isn’t?
Eureka Springs, AR 196 - loved your drive through the Altamont Pass the other day…
back later
193 punaise,
Gotta have some balance.
This site is wonderful because it gets people away from their computers and active in politics.
I didn’t like the Kate O’Bierne thing because it wasn’t a positive action. I rather liked the rubber stamp action for its dramatic effect. I loved the CTG action because it actually put ideas in front of the pols and their staffs.
Each of the call to action here seems to get closer and closer toward coalescing around a real political movement.
We need to do a nationwide get out the vote. I’m having trouble thinking of anything imaginative beyond getting out and walking the neighborhoods which I’ve done and done. Can this group come up with a series of imaginative steps which we can use to energize our tired Democratic friends for November?
Also, can we do a Gore/global warming action this summer?
Finally, Jane and Christy, I love the way you both stay involved with the discussions!
Rayne- Spot on. For the people who do want internet. I worry about lack of access, especially high speed, as one who lives in a rural setting. Sat. provider competition has only just arrived. Most cannot afford it. The unspoken problem in our current net neutality crisis.
new thread
RevDeb 99
I was there with RevDeb to hear the troll groan. It was very gratifying. You could tell he wished no one had ever heard the name Ann Coulter.
Eureka Springs (202) — continue to press however you can; if you can get dial-up, technically speaking DSL is possible, but a matter of whether the carrier finds it profitable. I’ve been talking with my parents who are in the wilds of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula about WiFi and high speed internet access; they have similar challenges as you, but they see an end in sight. A local company has now brought WiFi within a mile of their house, now only need to bridge that last bit. Technology should be available within the next 12-24 months to help make this bridge. In the mean time, dial-up will do; it’s far better than it was a handful of years ago, now with newer compression technologies implemented.
Keep the faith; there are folks who are just as challenged or worse off, who are working to solve these same problems. Like folks on the African continent who cannot even afford a computer…their leapfrogging solutions/a> will be of enormous help to us.
“how accessible our government is”
i’m glad you’ve had that realization. it’s hard to get people to understand that who have never had any experience with this sort of thing. i always found it pretty amazing, too (in particular the openness and relative lack of security in the offices themselves). if you are educating them about something important - especially one that you know more than them about - they are particularly open and receptive.
Oops, I forgot to close the tag.
I can’t believe ya’ll didn’t provide the links to the state group lists for the roots project. I’m in Texas and any of you in the Lone Star state, please go to http://groups.google.com/group/stateproject-texas and join the discussion (I guess this format will soon be replaced with the state-of-the-art web page under construction). Replace “texas” in that address with your state. Get connected, get involved!
Sorry to miss this whole discussion.
Thanks again to Jay, Jim, edgery, paradox, and all the other folks who helped with the delivery. Most importantly, thanks to every one of you who donated a copy of Crashing the Gate. We wouldn’t have had the opportunity to mark our presence felt in the halls of Congress if we didn’t have books to give to our elected Democrats.
FYI - I’m expecting to get responses to CTG and our action from the offices of Senator Dodd, Rep. Stark, and Rep. Conyers. I’ll make sure the FDL community gets to see them.
Jay — in case you’re still reading here, the problem with the broken Moran link is that it has an extra dot at the end of the URL.
neurophius at 188
I’ve actually spent a lot of time in KS, mostly Topeka. It looks like Moore’s district includes Lawrence and KC suburbs in Johnson County (I was looking at a US Rep site which didn’t have a district map. Did Johnson County ever come through with their Johnson County bottled water project?)
Your rep is at 1727 Longworth, according to the site, which was our second delivery building. That was when we had about a dozen people making deliveries, so it’d be hard to tell who delivered, but if anybody remembers delivering to Moore, I hope they speak up.
I dunno where you are, but regardless of whether we can track down the delivery, it’s still worthwhile to make a visit to a local office–perhaps bringing a copy of the book to leave behind.
You can also call the DC office. The pre-event organization, stickering the books with a personalized bookplate and attaching a post-it note ensured that every office got a book.
Feel free to email at jay at ackroyd dot org.
Oh, and I’m also one of the coordinators for the Prairie states. So if you haven’t signed up for the Root Project, you can do it through me. While the “What’s the Matter with Kansas” business is widely cited, I happen to believe that the failure of the Republicans to deliver the social changes that make KS red represent a wedge issue, or at least an opportunity to convince the evangelicals that the political process is really not open to them.
Perhaps there could be a Drinking Liberal chapter in Lawrence, and perhaps there could be some contact with the DNC in KS.
Matt, on Dodd, I have more recent information. Drop me a note.
RedShift–
Thanks. I’ve fixed the link. Horse, barn door, but nonetheless…..
I just figured it had been archived, and there was a good link in the comments thread.
jayakroyd @ 7:52 p.m.
In case you happen to look back here. Thanks for the response. I am in Topeka. Just last night at YKOS I met Justin of Drinking Liberally and he was encouraging me to start one in Topeka. I probably will give it a try when I am a little less busy. There is already one in Lawrence that I have visited, and I believe two or three in the greater KC area. I am also in Kansas Netroots although there has been little activity lately. As for Moore’s district, I believe it contains all of Johnson and Wyandotte counties and the eastern half of Douglas County–the Republican legislature probably may have thought they were hurting him by splitting up Lawrence but he got the eastern part which is where there are more Democrats. If you happen to hear who went to his office with CtG, I would like to know. Thanks.
XOKgirl–
The trouble with putting such a link is that you have to join the group before you can post. Please have TX folks who want to join email me or one of the other coordinators.
Jay — it’s still worth fixing; there are people who will read it later, even if the comment activity has moved on.
I did fix it, Redshift. Thanks for pointing it out.
jay @215
Hmm — don’t get what the problem with that is, but okay. Please post or send me your email again, please.
jay at ackroyd dot org. The trouble is that people who went to such a link wouldn’t be able to do anything. But maybe I’m missing something. I’m a member of all the groups, I think, and so I may not be understanding what happens to non-members.
OT I’ll try to remember to post this again later today, but Cheney is scheduled to address the National Press Club luncheon June 19, 12:30 ET. Maybe he’ll say what he plans to do to get his approval rating out of the sub-basement. If you have a question that you think he should be asked, apparently you can suggest it to jbloom@press.org
Eureka #202
I don’t know how many close neighbors you have, but it is possible to set up a neighborhood wireless network with a satellite connection and high-powered wireless gear; it might be affordable for 4 or more to share cost - in a half-mile redius, maybe more.
Cool! I’m SO glad I donated a book! I’m also inspired to visit my rep. when in D.C. I was just there and can think of MANY things I could have brought up specific to my district.
Actually it should be
Republican Party Spokeswoman Ann Coulter.
Edgery 104, Jay, etal:
I’m wondering if the blogs consistently provide opinion polls on important topics (e.g., every Monday A.M. - votes compiled over the weekend) that hill staffers could use as a dependable and regular source for progressive views from the net, if we would not be doing both them and us a big favor.
Blog readers love polls and we obviously like to share our opinions. Participation wouldn’t be a problem.
A benefit to us - Having our own polls in addition to Gallup, Zogby, etc. makes us progressives a more recognized part of the opinion landscape and a regular part of our legislators’ strategy, planning, and decision making. Obviously the blog posts and reader “Comments” provide a sense of our opinions, but sometimes they take more time to investigate in depth than a staffer has. Why not make it easy for staffers to include us in their research? This would give them a hand and provide us with allies inside the offices of a lot of politicians. If the blogmeister wishes, they can post an overview of the vote results and main reasons for votes as expressed in the comments.
I just called my Senators, Lautenberg and Menendez and this is what I got…
I asked if they’d receieved the book, if the senator or any of the staff had read it yet and if they had not, when did they plan to…
Both offices didn’t seem to know anything about it and took down my phone number and offered to get back to me.
I’m curious to see how long it takes and if I don’t hear back by the end of the week, I plan to call again.
Maybe you could email a link to ctgproject.blogspot.com.
If I remember right, Edgery delivered to Hart. Maybe she recollects.
Leisure Guy was right!