
From the first tiny sample of votes counted by THE MISSOULIAN on Tuesday night, it was obvious that Jon Tester was the overwhelming choice of Democrats in Montana and that the senate race in that state was not going to be close. The first raw votes I looked at showed Tester with more votes than the other 8 candidates– Democrats and Republicans– combined. I like seeing a DLC hack sliced and diced as much as anyone, but there were other important races just getting going while the Tester campaign was unpopping the champagne.
My second BLUE AMERICA post (as well as my last before Tuesday’s 8-state primary) was about why primaries are crucial if we are to have any hope at all of holding our wayward representatives responsible for their job performance once they get into office and if we are going to pick candidates who represent our interests and not the interests of careerist politicians in Washington who blithely, arrogantly ignore consumers, workers, constituents to cater to the whims of their coporate benefactors (bribers).
And who did I pick as the example of crucialness? "The most important primary on June 6 is in northern California when Democrats have to decide who to pick to take on one of the dozen worst Republicans in Congress, Richard Pombo, the man who would like nothing better than to sell the national parks in order to give bigger tax cuts to the wealthy business interests who have underwritten his political (and financial) rise. The primary in a classic case pitting an independent-minded grassroots progressive against an Inside-the-Beltway shill who Rahm Emanuel and his clique are attempting to impose on the district. Jerry McNerney (above) is wearing the white hat here and Steve Filson is the Establishment puppet."
And on Tuesday night, right out of the shoot, the voters in CA-11 told Rahm Emanuel, Ellen Tauscher and the Inside the Beltway power structure where they could shove their puppet candidate who they tried imposing on the district– and broke Party rules to support. Auguring well for November, Jerry and all the anti-Pombo candidates drew 52,086 primary votes; Pombo got 29,030.
It would have been incredible to see Marcy Winograd pull off an even less plausible upset and knock out entrenched, well-financed incumbent– the self described "best Republican in the Democratic Party," Jane Harman. But that was a real stretch. I’m really proud that so many of us believed in her and helped her try. She came closer than any political pros thought she could and shot a warning over the bows of the men and women who run in Democratic districts as Democrats and then get back to DC and forget who they’re supposed to be representing.
In fact, in a special edition of BLUE AMERICA this Tuesday I’m going to introduce you to another courageous and progressive grassroots activist who is taking on another Democrat who revels in joining the GOP for votes– but only on the most important issues, like Iraq and bankruptcy.
No doubt by now you’ve read why Jon Tester’s victory over John Morrison was so important in the battle for the soul of the Democratic Party and, ultimately, for our nation. Jerry McNerney’s win in the San Joaquin Valley and the East Bay was no less significant. In the end McNerney scored a healthy 52.6% in the 3 man race. A coprorate-oriented DCCC-hack managed to grab 28.5% (all those donations to the DCCC that real Democrats think go to fight Republicans… what a waste! Never, never give a dime to the DCCC or the DSCC). The rest of the votes, 18.9% went to another excellent progressive candidate, Steve Thomas. In other words, the clueless Washington Insiders managed to waste a ton of money and energy and goodwill, while losing over 70% of the vote to real Democrats.
Jerry had no money. But beacuse of his strong progressive message, he did have grassroots support and netroots support– enough to run a winning campaign against all the DCCC could through against him. And remember, they were successful in doing the same thing to Christine Cegelis that they tried doing to Jerry. His grassroots team and dedicated supporters put together an on the ground strategy that DCCC money can’t buy. (Republican money can though– as Busby found out while she watched helplessly as the National GOP dumped over $10 million dollars into an unprecedented media blitz and smear campaign against her.)
But the primary was the easy part! Now Jerry and his team will have to face the well-greased Pombo machine– one of the dirtiest, most unscrupulous– and well-healed– political thrashing machines in the country. This isn’t a game for Pombo. He and his family have become fabulously wealthy while he has risen in the ranks of the Republican caucus. For Pombo ideology is a means to an end and the end is his big fat bugling purse (yes, that’s why Adam did the photo like that).
As for Jerry, he has to watch and see what strings DCCC help will be tied in. Will they insist on the loser consultants they use to tame and homogenize populists? He’ll need their financial assistance and the drip, drip, drip of temptation will be hard to resist. It will be a lot less hard to resist if the grassroots steps up to the plate. Recent polls show that Jerry is leading Pombo. But Pombo hasn’t even started yet. His smear tactics are legend and he’s got Karl Rove desperate to keep him in Congress and in the chair of the House Resources Committee. The Republican ex-congressman who ran against Pombo in the primary laid out a great case for why the campaign to retire him was one of the most important races in America; he was right a week ago and is just as right now:
Pombo has been named by non-partisan watchdog groups as:
"One of the 13 most corrupt members of Congress"-COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBILITY AND ETHICS IN WASHINGTON (CREW)
"One of the first six inductees to the Congressional Hall of Shame" – PUBLIC CITIZEN
Richard Pombo is among the top recipients of money from admitted felon and former lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his associates. (Source: Time)
Pombo owes his chairmanship of the House Resources Committee to indicted former majority leader Tom DeLay. Pombo, who votes in lockstep with DeLay 92% of the time, actively tried to change House Ethics Rules to protect DeLay (House Resolution 5) and donated thousands of dollars to the DeLay legal defense fund.Pombo used his official powers to protect a large donor, Charles Hurwitz, thwarting a Federal investigation in what federal regulators called, "a seamy abuse of the legislative process." (Source: LA Times 1/8/06)
At a time when the average yearly income in San Joaquin County is $20,682, Pombo has funneled over half-a-million dollars in campaign funds to his wife and brother. As Chairman of the House Resources Committee (which oversees Native American affairs), Pombo has received over $500,000 in donations from Indian tribes, many with ties to Abramoff.
He has joined DeLay in voting to absolve the manufacturers of the toxic gasoline additive MTBE from any responsibility for cleaning up an estimated $20 billion worth of polluted water in Northern California — water that our entire state needs for agriculture and economic growth.
Pombo, a member of the congressional leadership, has helped move us from budget surpluses in 2000 to trillion-dollar deficits.
Pombo, who never served in the military, claims to support our troops but has repeatedly voted against VA and health care benefits for returning veterans, including prosthesis research for amputees (House Resolutions 1815, 2528, 1268, 27, HconRes 95 and HJRes 107).
Though his district has higher than national average gas prices, Pombo supported giving $8.6 billion in tax subsidies to oil and gas companies (House Resolution 6). It’s no surprise that Pombo’s largest political donations come from these same companies.
Between now and November, Jerry, like Tester and other grassroots progressives with strong, unadulterated messages, need to show somnolent voters why they are different from the Pombos and DeLays — and different from the Rahm Emanuels and William Jeffersons as well. It costs money to get a message out and Republicans elected officials who have helped make millions and millions of dollars for a small handful at the public expense now have that small handful who will do anything to keep the gravy train flowing. So if you’ve never tried it before, maybe this is a good time to take a look at ACT BLUE and make a personal committment for whatever you can afford. If you can afford $5, that is cool. If you can afford more, that’s cool too. We aren’t the greed-obsessed multimillionaires Bush’s tax cuts have made richer and richer… but there are a lot more of us than there are of them. We can still turn this thing around (oh, that’s a song).
And one more thing, today we’re not asking you to give Steve McNerney or any other candidates on the ACT BLUE Page money for nothing. Nope, if you’re up for the walk of life, I have a nice fresh box of CDs, a brand new greatest hits collection from one of the biggest-selling bands of the 80s. And if you don’t know who they are from the hints in the last 2 sentences… well, just give because you love America and love democracy. First 20 McNerney donors get the CD… and the next 20 get something else.
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Fitz!
Fitz!!!
The McNerny victory was very exciting and you called it first, Howie.
I love all this stuff. How soon after we win do we dismantle the corporate state?
Christy pronounces Abramoff as “Ah Bray Moff”, emphasizing the second syllable.
John, we need to do a lotta winnin’– not just in November– but inside the Democratic Party as well, before there’s going to be much dismantlin’ done. Right now we’re just fighting to keep THEM from dismembering us!
Hi y’all — OT for this, since I’m at Ykos. I’m at the politial journalism panel, sitting in front of Jane, listening to Christy. This is one good panel — I thought about going to the foreign policy panel but changed my mind. (I met Arianna Huffington in the ladies’ room. How cool — and weird — is that? Think she’ll notice I’m not at her panel? I don’t either.)
Christy is “the girl” on this panel. Amazing that a group of progressives put on a convention and have such little awareness (or maybe regard) for some pretty obvious problems with the lack of diversity on most of the panels. I know there are other FDLers here blogging the substance, so I’ll just stick to the observation that Christy was fantastic and said wonderful, and of course accurate, things about Jane and the rest of the FDL community. More later.
OT for Orangejumpsuit last thread:
Apache for shit: k’wáaw
The English as the national language amendment has no bearing on private enterprise, small businesses or otherwise. Nor does it make reference to state government. In fact, it only talks about the use of English in the federal government. The title and text follow:
Inhofe Amdt. No. 4064; To amend title 4 United States Code, to declare English as the national language of the United States and to promote the patriotic integration of prospective US citizens.
“The Government of the United States shall preserve and enhance the role of English as the national language of the United States of America. Unless otherwise authorized or provided by law, no person has a right, entitlement, or claim to have the Government of the United States or any of its officials or representatives act, communicate, perform or provide services, or provide materials in any language other than English. If exceptions are made, that does not create a legal entitlement to additional services in that language or any language other than English. If any forms are issued by the Federal Government in a language other than English (or such forms are completed in a language other than English), the English language version of the form is the sole authority for all legal purposes.”
Since most of the federal government’s business is conducted solely in English and the amendment recognizes all current exceptions, the Inhofe amendment is largely a rhetorical swipe at the other languages of our country, especially Spanish.
Is Matt Bai nuts? He’s complimenting political journalists, but at the same time says he doesn’t watch TV. Well good for him, but that’s where most people get their news.
In what key does the purse bugle?
Chisty n Jane!
Great post – close to home (geographically, I’m one district to the west in CA-09). I’ve been on the big-picture Tester and Lamont bandwagon, and now I’ll be acting locally.
Has Pete McCloskey endorsed McNerney, as promised? (for any who don’t know, he’s the “good guy” old-timer Repub who came out of retirement and tried valiantly to take down the scumbag Pombo in the primary)
BTW, that CA-11 district looks like a mess of gerrymandering (pdf).
rwcole (#10), the sound isn’t the clanking of spare change. It’s the thud of gold bars
Who is the guy who made comment about about his head being played like a bongo drum and wouldn’t know what Judy Miller looked like? I wish the panel speakers had name cards in front of them.
Whoops…That’s Christy n Jane
Howie–HEAVY! LOL.
Rob Zuber,
“Is Matt Bai nuts? He’s complimenting political journalists, but at the same time says he doesn’t watch TV. Well good for him, but that’s where most people get their news.”
That was my initial reaction too but it all makes it’s way to the Internet so even if you don’t actually watch it, you still read it. That said, how could he possibly not have an opinion about Hardball etc!?
I am looking forward to hearing about some successful smear campaigns against GOOPERS. Smear the fuckers! Smear em NOW!
Punaise, the district was gerrymandered to dump lots of Republican households into one area and make surrounding districts safer for Democrats, particularly for DINO, Dennis Cardoza in CA-18.
McCloskey hasn’t endorsed Jerry yet but I’m sure they’re figuring out how best to time that. If you run into Jerry’s campaign manager, A.J., ask him. He’s in Vegas this weekend too. I think next week there’s a unity breakfast with the 2 other Democrats who ran and some of their supporters. I have to say that the DCCC canddiate, Steve Filson, has been totally cool about his loss and he and his team have generously offered to help the McNerney campaign.
Important primary this Tuesday, 3 days from now. Virginia Democrats, please get to the polls and choose James Webb for Senate.
Webb, unlike his opponent, has the magnetism to draw votes from all over the state, urban and rural. He can beat George Allen, and in a two-fer, help thwart Allen’s presidential run. Don’t we want an intelligent president next time?
If you KNOW people in Virginia, please call/email/text them and urge them to vote. It’s an open primary, anyone can participate.
Take back the Senate!!
egregious- that one appears to be important. How is Webb doing?
Just breaking cover for a sec. Love the site, just dropped some love on Jerry at Actblue. Keep up the good work. Whoops – Looks like I hit the button twice. Twice the love, and keep the change. In a heterosexual way of course.
Howie, alas I’m not in Vegas (sniffle, sniffle). I’ll get over it.
Thanks for the insights; encouraging re Filson. I just went “strait” to the ActBlue page – my modest contrib. is the one that ends in .01 from the 94609 zip code.
rwcole, you’re gettin’ wild.
By the way, I’m not thinking about 16 seats at this point, but between 30 and 40. Each has to be won one at a time. CA-11 is primo, not just because Dirty Dick Pombo is so godawful, but because Jerry McNerney will make an incredible representative– independent-minded and innovative.
As far as just wanting to oust Goopers, I understand where you’re coming from, of course, but believe me, it doesn’t do as much good to elect Democrats who vote like Goopers as it does to elect actual Democrats who believe in Democratic values and reflect that in the way they vote. Another good reason to support Jerry!
BarbaraB #7 – THANK YOU! Exactly what I noticed since day one of the schedules being posted. I’m consoled to a degree being thankful for being able to witness history unfolding before our eyes and being here at FDL to share the whole experience we are discerning. Wish I was there, I’m loving the updates from those attending.
Goopers won the south under Nixon. They won the Rocky Mountain states under Reagan (I think)- and now they have won the breadbasket great plains states.
Some of it’s gays, guns, and God- but some of it is farm friendly policy. That’s territory that Dems can’t afford to lose.
OT: Three dead at Gitmo. Presumed suicides, but no word yet on how they did it. Will America notice?
rwcole at 16, please don’t talk of killing. It will be picked up and used by those who would do us harm.
rwcole
In what key does the purse bugle?
the key is to make the (right) purse bulge
MODERATOR: I’m not convinced that really is rwcole.
Howie- Oh I’ll support each and every dem nominee who has a good chance to win. Five months is a long time- and both parties will be looking for advantage along the way. If a landslide happens- that will be great- but I’m not counting on it. I’ll settle for “Hello Speaker Pelosi!”.
Doesn’t that sound great?
Punaise and Jeff, the ACT BLUE donations have started rolling in– and there are plenty of CDs left for anyone who wants to help turn the river into a torrent!
for the MSM Flacks:
“killing them softly with our song”
sorry to go off topic, but the new york times must be reading firedog lake, they seem to pave paguerized some of the commenters here
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0610.html
raw story has that preliminary
rwcole (#32)– Speaker Pelosi sounds a lot better than Speaker Hastert and a lot better than whatever key that bulge in Pombo’s purse is in. Oh, by the way, the picture of Pombo with the bulging here is something you ought to see.
contiuning me to me’s OT – Talk Left:
AP Reports: Witness Saw Soldiers Beat Zarqawi
Howie, ROFL, great pic *grinz* Great post too, thanks again.
Howie stunning political attire. What vote is he after?
Howie, I’m already giving directly to candidates. I tell callers from the DSCC and DCCC that I will not give money that they will then give to people who, among other unenlightened acts, voted for cloture on Alito. I think it is important to send a message to these party organizations that we will not be rolled.
Having said that, I read the link to your longer piece on “bad” Democrats, and visited the Progressive Punch site. I don’t see their overview as “exhaustive,” but even if it is, context matters.
I don’t hold Mary Landrieu to the same standard that I do Joe Lieberman, and if we want Congress to change hands, we shouldn’t either. I don’t think we should treat individual Democrats running in the general election the way we treat the inadequate DCCC candidates in the primaries.
I don’t know much about most of the 10 with endangered seats cited in your linked post, but I know something about Boswell (IA-3), who represents the area around Des Moines, and is the only Democrat in the Iowa delegation. His margin of victory was 10% in 2004 (55-45), and he is under relentless attack from the right in a state that is pretty rural and conservative with some bluer islands. His situation is comparable to Jim Leach (IA-2), a Republican who is much more moderate than his party, running in a district that is more liberal than he is. They’re both a mixed bag, in terms of positions they have taken. But if Boswell goes under the bus, his replacement will be more like Steve King, Tom Latham or Jim Nussle. In Iowa, GOP primary voters elect some real whack jobs. The choice is clear, and I have given to Boswell.
egregious- It’s me- what can I do to convince you?
Shez & rwcole– Adam, the Down With Tyranny Art Director did that. Adam, take a bow. He’s usually too drunk to work photoshop but sometimes I can reach him before the bourbon does– like yesterday.
Hi Howie
I kicked a few to Lamont, Tester, and to McNerney, & that photo of Pombo is great but wild.
Dems are always suspicious of actions by the national party. It all goes back at least to Chicago in 68.
I suspect, though, that the national party commits more errors of failure to get involved than it does errors of getting wrongly involved in local races. Goopers have a better and more well oiled national machine- and if dems are ever to develop one- they need to start now. That involves recruiting candidates, training, and financing local campaigns as well as providing advice on strategy and tactics.
Dems could also do a better job of sitting down with candidates who don’t have a prayer of winning- but who run divisive primary campaigns that wound the winner for the general election.
At least that’s my impression.
On the other hand, if Boswell took to wearing outfits like the one you caught Pombo in, I’m not sure I could bear to look…
Thanks for bringing this up, Howie. McNerney’s win was huge — hopefully the DCCC will take note that their stuff didn’t even fly in what’s a pretty conservative district — but he’s still got a huge fight on his hands.
Any chance you might do a piece on another important race nearby, Charlie Brown v. Doolittle?
hey, Shez!
Susan in Iowa, thanks for your thoughtful post. There is only one time to go after Democrats who vote like Republicans. That’s in the primaries. After that, we’re stuck with them. The worst Democrats (yes, even Lieberman and Cuellar, for examples) are better– at least when it comes to voting– than the best and most “moderate” Republicans. That isn’t hyperbole. Let me say it again– not one Democrat is as bad as the best Republican. In the primaries we need to be very tough on them. In November we need to remember this: the 2 most conservative Democrats in the house, Gene Taylor (MS) and Dan Boren (MS) have (abysmal) Progressive Punch scores just below 50, meaning they probably vote with Republicans about as much as they vote with Democrats. The two most “moderate” Republicans in the House, Rodney Alexander (LA) and Chris Shays (CT) have scores in the low 30s, which mean that they are in lockstep with the extreme right almost 70% of the time.
From TPM…
New details on the government’s case against I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the former Chief of Staff for Vice President Cheney, and new clues in the ongoing investigation of Karl Rove may be revealed next week. A conference with presiding Judge Walton, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and the Libby defense team is set for Monday afternoon to discuss issues in the case[.]
RW @45. Yes, it is you. I have been doing that (campaigning with losers, big losers) all my life and when people ask me why I have always said, “because someday we’ll win”.
And for anyone else who was offended by the “kill” word. Remember, they’re poisoning your air and water, and selling the national resources to the lowest bidder. It is a strong word, but that’s what’s happening.
What does it say about me that I’m reading HOwie’s peice during Mark Warner’s lunchtime keynote?
Mark Knoffler ???
one of the biggest-selling bands of the 80s. ???
you sure about that ???
for the record, I didn’t want my MTV
in the hierarchy of whores, DeLay is up in the suite as an ‘escort’ making the righteous $ for an overnight – Dickie Pombo is that poor little junkie out on the street in a thong and fishnets
guess I should check with C.R.E.W. or some other reliable source before I shoot my mouth off, but Dickie is supposed to be on the short list of future indictees – so I’d like to know – how much cash does he have to date, and how much has he spent, b/c I’m thinking he’s gonna pull a DeLay and dump it all in his defense fund
if not -
as a long time resident of the valley, I have a difficult time seeing the usual ag votes going his way, although a lot of it is corporate/Agribusiness these days – believe one of his last sponsored bills just f****ed the hell out of farmers in an under the radar way and have seen plenty of disgust with this in the Stockton and Sacto papers. Another segment of that district is the so called “sportsmen” and I would think ol Dickie is the poster boy for their growing disillusionment and distrust of the Admin.’s
selling offhandling of the environmentand then there’s the levees issue, I doubt he acquitted himself well there either. As difficult as it is to imagine, this guy is an even bigger dullard than GWB
Pombo is defintely in the Fed’s crosshairs.
Arcturus (#47), I’m very excited about Charlie Brown and his race against John Doolittle and I’ve written about it a lot at Down With Tyanny. Please take a look at these two here and an even earlier one here. I’m trying to highlight the races with the best chances for pick-ups here at FDL (as well as the races with outstanding progressives), rather than races just focused on the worst Republicans. In CA-11 we are lucky to find both– Jerry’s as good as it gets and Pombo… well, I will say flatly that no one– not Doolittle, not Ney, not Jerry Lewis, not Mike Pence, not Roy Blunt– is worse than Pombo. That said, when I hear from FDL community members I pay attention. Christy and I have worked out a special edition of BLUE AMERICA this Tuesday where I want to talk about a great new candidate who was suggested by Paul Lukasiak here last week.
rwcole- you are fired up. I’m sure you meant kill’em in a sports fan kinda way. But, it is important not to say things that could be construed as advocating violence. Jane has given me a firm heads up on that- nothing on the site that the right could hang around our necks as part of the “fever swamp”.
Hi punaise! It’s been all I can do to read threads for a couple of weeks but no time to get into the comments. LOL
Waving at Pach! I can relate, last night as I watched the repeat on c-span I pulled up the comments (at last!) here from when it happened to be live yesterday so it was fun to have the comments match what I was listening to. We’re going to be there with you next year.
rw–Please forgive if I am mistaken. It just sounded different in content, tone, length, shouting. Plus with the parents away for the weekend am feeling protective toward the rest of our community.
Philosophical question, wouldn’t everyone say, “Yes, it’s me”? :)
great post howie
i’ve really come to believe that the primaries are even more important than the general election for progressives. after all–if the non-progressive DLCers win–it only gives them more power within the party–which i think actually weakens us (us, as in we the people) in the long(er) run. the dlc democrats are totally complicit in bringing the country to where it is now.
anyhow–i would’ve given anyway, but i can’t wait to get a CD!
Pach, what does it say about Mark Warner? Seriously. Tell us about him. Jerome says he’s amazing and progressive. I still haven’t seen that side of him but my mind is WIDE open.
Howie #57:
No argument about Pombo. & I wouldn’t compare Brown to McNerney either — he’s an ex-military, ex- Repub — not my kinda guy. But an excellent cadidate to take on Doolittle in that district.
Thanks for the links — I’ll go take a look.
freepatriot (#53)– his band, not the solo career. And the CD is actually a 2-disc set, one of the band and one of the solo artist. What a deal!
I am also open to hearing from Warner and others. His speech is fairly interesting so far. I’m paying close attention to Feingold, Warner and Gore for now.
O/T – Seattle Post-Intel op-ed
on the deafening silence of M$M on the RFK article
“But the titans of the news industry still have things to learn about how news becomes news in the present-day media landscape”.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..ing09.html
Hugh at 8, interesting that some of the first words we learn in other languages are swear words.
The English language thingie being discussed here was brought up by D. Mason on the previous thread. This feels to me like an attempt to create another phony issue where none exists. Oh no! Small business owners are going to have to hire bilingual employees! More bad government intervention! Probably all Clinton’s fault etc. Has this been on Faux News yet?
One comment by one person in one newspaper becomes the subject of a let’s just say concerned person here, and off we go arguing about it. Meanwhile, the Senate is contemplating amnesty for all wiretapping crimes, and the House *passed* an anti-net neutrality bill. Oooh, shiny, over here!
egregious- Well the grammatically anal would say “It is I”.
omg Howie,
just saw the pic of Pombo you posted – dovetails quite nicely with my impression of him at 54 – dead solid perfect !
so it’s Pomb-Ho
Wow! What a great speech Warner gave! He did such a great job of articulating a vision for this country!
OfT: mommybrain,
God bless you.
I am just mortified that I missed your wonderful comment about emptywheel and football.
Please when you see emptywheel again, please give her a big hug from me, even though I am a Packer fan.
First rule about betting football.
Don’t bet.
Second rule about betting football,
When in doubt, refer to Rule 1.
Sam ‘Ace’ Rothstein’s in Scorsese’s CASINO, was one of the best at “picking the number,” the point spread. All Rothstein or Vegas wants is “the vig,” the price bookies’ charge for making the bet. The point spread is the “fulcrum” of Vegas’ perception of the statistical probabilities that one team will win. It’s dependent on an unbelieveable array of factors, weather, previous history, (how does this team/coach historically do against the spread), injury information, scheme, and of course individual matchups.
I’ll put some more over for her at tnh. Apologies to FDL, but I am a huge emptywheel fan, so I had to respond. Mr. emptywheel is a very lucky guy.
Barbara and Shez,
The overall organizer of YKos is a woman. She and the panel organizers asked for volunteers who were expert on the panel topics. The panelists you see is who responded, and from what I’ve gleaned, some who cold-call volunteered. Should the organizers have placed women just to be diverse, even if they didn’t want to be there, or worse, had nothing to say? Should experts have been turned away because they are not the gender you want to see?
BTW, the one panel I’ve gotten a chance to see had three women on it- Jane, Redd, and Emptywheel. I don’t know what percentage they made of the overall panel, but then, I wasn’t counting. I was just happy to watch intelligent TV.
rwcole (#18), you were saying you want to see Goopers smeared. Well smear connotes lies and that’s their tactics. There are enough horrible stories about these Republicans– from Jerry Lewis and John Doolittle and Tom DeLay and, of course, Dirty Dick Pombo, funneling millions of dollars into their families’ pockets via their positions of public trust to the outrageous hypocrasy of “family values” fakers like Don Sherwood in PA beating up his young mistress– so that no lies are necessary. But if you want an outrageous example of GOP filth and hypocrasy that’ll boil your blood– as well as explain why Ohio politics is so screwed up– have I got one for you! And cbl (#67), right up your alley too!!
a moderator. Please feel free to eliminate that post if it’s offensive. Thought the intent was preety clear- but the world won’t miss it.
Warner was good.
Howie,
I’m still forming my opinion on Mark, even though I am a Virginian. I’d rather not write my thoughts yet because I’m going to be very thoughtful about anything I say about ‘08 hopefuls. I don’t want to write off the cuff, and when and if I do support someone, I’ll let people know so they can judge my writing for any potential biases. That, at least, is my feeling about how I should approach this stuff.
Piombo (close enough) in Italian means “lead”, the metal.
let’s get the lead out.
I have met Warner. I think he is the real thing.
Howie–Well most political smears take a little bit of truth an hyperventilate it into an attack. The goopers don’t usually do it publicly- they do it through robo calls.
It’s a neat trick. The people sponsoring the calling are usually distanced enough from the candidate to leave the candidate clean. The person being attacked can defend themselves- but only at the cost of giving publicity to the smear- and the tiny grain of truth in the whole thing makes it difficult to defend against.
Don’t know what the appropriate standards should be for political attacks- but it’s a losing strategy to allow the goopers a free ride with these tactics.
Punaise (#75), I’ll pass your idea along to the McNerney campaign. I think it’s GREAT!
I don’t know too much about Warner- but any guy who wins in Virginia- and succeeds in picking his succesor- is worth a lot of scrutiny.
Sure we’d all like to see a Feingold type in the White House- but it isn’t going to happen in our lifetimes. Let’s give this guy a look. Let’s at least learn how he has succeeded with red state voters.
rwcole- to a regular reader the intent is clear. But I’ve been sensitized to this issue very recently when RH deleted a comment. As a result, I put another comment in mod and asked Jane about it- I said that ordinarily I would not have questioned it at all, since it was clearly rhetoric. So, Jane came back with what I said above. I am still finding my way on this issue, and I certainly don’t want to be heavy handed. For now, while the cats are away, I may be erring on the side of caution.
Howie- Your fat gooper story is priceless. That the guy gets any sex at all- whatever the gender or species is a miracle of sorts.
Saying Feingold can’t win is ridiculous. Of course he can.
A Moderator- feel free to trash it. Ain’t no big thing!
Rob–I think that a Feingold campaign would make McGovern (who I supported and voted for) look like a hot political property.
mommybrain, emptywheel, I responded to your comment on the prior thread above at 1:43, software caught my comment in moderation.
I’m sick and tired of picking candidates because we thought they could win. That strategy has failed. Feingold is not a McGovern or anyhing like it. That comment is asinine.
By the way, Warner is now on http://www.theyoungturks.com
Some alternate etymology of “Pombo”, as long as punaise has started:
Pio Mambo: Portuguese for “Dance of the Piss”
Palm Bow: Medical condition cause by repetetive hand gestures” also known by the Latin “flagrate delecto ad absurdam.” Dick Palm Bow would be the most acute of this condition, affecting several topical areas.
Pumbo: Disney charactar; the dumber, meaner brother elephant to Dumbo.
Pam Ball: congealed by-product of over-application of unhealthy (snake) oil in vapid form.
To the moderator, given that the far right looks for tiny little issues and blows them up into big balloons–or maybe better bubble gum–please do quash the comment about killing.
Howie at 78 – at least it should get the Engish-only crowd riled up!
LOL: I went to find out if the Latin translation was closer to Pombo, but instead found:
plumbum : lead, a bullet, lead pipe.
e pluribus plum bum.
Jane asked for a link to the FDL/Plame panel video.
It’s at C-SPAN here.
Just click on the ‘Yearly Kos Convention’ button and Ms. Hamsher and her panel is first up, right out of the gate.
As I said yesterday…..It’s a true ‘People’s Senate’ (unlike the fake one that closed up shop early for a weekend at the castles and allowed FDL to run on C-SPAN2 yesterday).
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Whether or not Warner is my ultimate pick for a candidate in ‘08, if his speech sets the standard for articulating a clear democratic vision, we will take back the White House.
froggermarch 87 – LOL
rwcole- yep- I deleted it. But I know you are a long time reader and commenter here, and I know you usually don’t get so wild and crazy. I just wanted to let you in on a bit of what goes on behind the scenes.
Is the mismatch between the graphic and audio feeds on Air America due to the number of people streaming this broadcast? I have extra high speed DSL.
Hey Howie,
Don’t know if you’re soliciting candidates but here are three good ones to keep in mind:
Charlie Brown is running against John Doolittle (Tom Delay’s crony), and he’s up to his eyeballs in the same corruption. http://www.brown4congress.org
Bill Durston is running against Dan Lungren (who’s father was the personal physician of Richard Nixon) http://www.durstonforcongress.org
And in case you feature anybody for statewide office Rob Haswell is running for state assembly which because of term limits is now an open seat http://www.robhaswellforassembly.com
They are all three great guys who’ve decided that politics as usual won’t fly anymore and have stepped up to the plate.
Thanks for all you’re doing
I just watched Joe Sestak on the AirAmerica stream.
He’s the real deal, a great natural speaker. There’s hope for PA-07.
rwcole (#81), the Republican in question offered to pay the kid for sex. Too bad no one will ever get to debate him about the merits of gays being allowed to marry as opposed to closet cases like himself cruising the streets after midnight and offering strangers money for furtive sex. Republicans are a strange, strange lot. I know this sounds horrible but I’m so glad we don’t have any in my neighborhood!
Jeff @ 70, Thanks for clarifying that, I’m so used to being drawn to strong women bloggers it simply makes us wonder if it’s status quo or other reasons since I’ve fought for equality for all, for years. Jane’s comment earlier that the MSM is basically ignoring the women and gays highlights the old glass ceiling once again that has no place in the 21st century, which isn’t the convention’s fault by any means, and indeed people have to come willingly forward to be heard as you say.
At least we got a chuckle out of McJoan being labeled Armando. ;) We still totally appreciate how amazing and historical this convention is and each year will only get better and more diverse. A heartfelt thanks to all who have worked hard to pull if off for us to witness and care about.
Moderator- Not a problem.
Ummm, moderator
I have some info for Howie at 2:14 that’s awaiting moderation
It’s just links to potential candidates to take a look at
Thanks
Rob “asinine”
Well so much for a friendly political discussion.
Have a nice day!
OT – John Casper
Re: “Sam ‘Ace’ Rothstein’s”
OMG! A good friend of mine befriended him some years ago via his web site (don’t know if he still has one). Anyway, on his site was a line that said “starlets wanted”. An email friendship began and over a period of a few years he gave my friend about 10 “sure thing” NFL games to bet on. I’ll leave it to you to figure out what “sure thing” meant ; )
John in Sacramento (#95), I’ve written quite a bit about the Charlie Brown/John Doolittle race and I provided some links above (see comment #55). I did one story, quite some time ago, on the Durston/Lungren race. Lungren’s insane and off the scale in terms of far right extremism. But, I’m afraid, it’s going to take a tsunami to displace him. Of course, a tsunami of revulsion against Bush’s agenda for America has been building and at this point people should start connecting the dots that lead right to inept rubber-stamp congressmen like Dan Lungren and John Doolittle.
Howie- How do you handicap the senate this time around. It looks as if the dems have a good shot at taking enough seats to tie the thing- but I can’t see yet where the sixth seat can come from. How do you see Tennessee?
Howie 48–Thanks for underlining that the general is different.
In the “for what it’s worth” department, put a race on your list to keep an eye on. Selden Spencer in IA-4 is running against Tom Latham, who is a reliable .0001% progressive vote. Spencer is a doctor with no political experience. He just gave up his neurology/psychiatry practice to run for congress because he is worried about his country. Go figure.
All the smart D.C. people give him no chance, and perhaps they’re smarter than I am, but this district is not reliably red and 2006 could be an unusual year. Spencer is an enormously appealing person, very smart, unpretentious, and with an intense way of listening to people that makes you feel as though he is only aware of YOU at that moment. He has progressive instincts on every issue I’ve learned his thoughts on. He needs money–they all do–but he also needs some attention. Buzz can float from the blogs to the MSM, as we’ve seen, and in this case it would be helpful. (See spencerforcongress.com)
rw cole (#85):
i think you’re comparing apples and oranges, and these are different times. it may be true that feingold would lose but i think he’s well worth the chance to make a go of it.
if we end up having a voice in deciding the candidate, let the primaries decide. feingold has the bonafides equal to or better than anyone i’ve heard from so far. i would put him with al gore and murtha as being the most stand up people we have. nobody else is on their level as far as taking a stand and articulating their issues. all three have what it takes.
my personal choice is feingold and i’ll go to the wall for him.
p.s. i voted for mcgovern as well.
back to that silly comment about how important to small businesses it is to have English as the sole official national language: he used “Geno’s” of Philadelphia as an example. What happened was Geno’s actually put up a sign saying orders would only be accepted in English! Kinda provocative and political, I’d say! Rather unbusinesslike to openly discourage otherwise decent customers … the owner was trying to stir up shit and he got shit back … Whiny Ass Titty Baby!
In 1851 Indiana promulgated it’s 2nd Constitution with 50,000 copies in English. However, for the hard-headed (but hard-working) drunken Germans who were so clannish (but clean!), we printed up 5000 copies in Deutsch … Hoosier bilingualism at its best!
Howie, the mention of Charlie Brown brought to mind the image of Lucy in the psychiatrist’s booth.
Looks like we’re gonna keep you busy dispensing your insights. What’s your 5 cents worth on Angelides v. Ahnold?
Yo, Steve Audio!! Nice to see you. And you are so right about Joe Sestak, one of the most impressive candidates the Democrats have anywhere. I’ve done some blogging on him already and I plan to do some more. Anyone interested in the story of the Sestak race against a corrupt and out-of-touch greed bag (Weldon), please take a look here and here. (Please read them in that order so you can see how nice I was before Weldon showed his colors and as a sick and demented child abuser– and how that kind of behavior opens one up to all kinds of things.)
Howie–
And following up on rwcole’s question, if the Dems get to 50 in the Senate, what are the odds that one or more of the Northeast Republicans wiould pull a Jeffords. I know we frequently deride Collins, Chafee and Snowe, but I’d rather have them on our side if it meant control of committees and agendas.
Thanks Howie,
I’m going to the link right now.
BTW, unfortunately I’m in Lungren’s district grrrrrrr
fahr
Looks like Russ will run- he’s an attractive candidate and bright as hell. He has some good political instincts and probably the “killer instict” as well (moderator- you can get rid of that if it’s offensive). I support his stands on the issues- but is he electable?
-He’s a senator- history has not been kind to senate candidates- they get tied in knots defending their voting records- not fair- but that’s the way it is.
-He’s seem- rightly or wrongly as a left wing extremist. How many people perceived that way have made it to the White House? Approaches zero as a limit.
He’ll be in the primary mix- but I can’t see him lasting much longer than Iowa/New Hampshire. Do you?
Pach 74
The native Iowans tell me that they won’t vote for someone in the caucuses unless thay’ve had them over for dinner a couple of times. I don’t know if I’ll feed them, but I sure intend to be there when they show up in our county to talk to a group of (usually) 20 to 50 people. This quadrennial kabuki dance in the corn is starting already, and I intend to report back on FDL as it progresses.
frogger—Well Chaffee is not likely to hold his seat- he’s one of the five the dems have a good crack at. I don’t know the Maine twins that well- but Maine’s a beautiful but odd place politically. They seem relatively secure as goopers.
Specter, on the other hand, might be convincable- dems would have to let him hold onto judiciary I suppose- but he’s got to be sweating bullets for all sorts of reasons.
OfT: Thanks Coz.
Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal aka “Ace” really beat the odds by living so long. I haven’t heard that he’s passed. I guess he got the nickname “lefty” by using his 5th Amendment rights 37 times in a row, one was to decline to answer whether or not he was “left-handed.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rosenthal
rwcole (#104), If every single Democratic seat stays blue (including the open ones in Minnesota and Maryland) and if we win the lower hanging fruit– like Montana, Ohio, Rhode Island, Missouri and Pennsylvania– Democrats still have to knock off at least one incumbent in one of the next to impossible races: either Arizona, Nevada or Virginia. (I said next to impossible, but not “impossible.”) Tennessee, is very tough.
rw:
are we condemned to repeat the mistakes of history? mebbe, but then there was harry truman (or was he a congressman?) and there definitely was JFK, and LBJ.
russ won’t tie himself in knots. he’ll just say i am what i am. of course he isn’t perfect, but, if defending the constitution and voting against the iraq war before it happened is left wing extremist then what is true blue american?
on the primaries, yes, what happens, happens, but i’m going to support russ as far as he gets. if enough people are like-minded he might surprise you.
Susan (#105), Thanks for the tip about Spencer. That one wasn’t on my radar yet, although I’m very aware of what an extremist psycho Latham is. Perhaps Dr Spencer can analyze him and exlain to voters what sort of person asks constituents to re-elect him over and over and then scurries back to Washington and consistently votes against their interests in all matters.
new thread
OT – John Casper
“Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal aka “Ace” really beat the odds by living so long. I haven’t heard that he’s passed.”
He may have passed, I can’t find his web site now but I did 2-3 years ago.
Froggermarch (#110), I would count on Chafee being defeated before I would count on either of the Maine ladies switching parties. They’re both very Republican– not neo-Nazis like so many Republicans, but… well, let’s put it like this, both Collins and Snowe vote far more frequently– especially on substantive issues– with Frist and Santorum than they do with Hillary Clinton or Teddy Kennedy.
howie, if you’re still around, do you know about what happened in CA26 the day before the primary? Push poll time – I know, business as usual, but did you hear the question?
“If you knew that Russ Warner’s son had committed atrocities in Iraq, would you still vote for him?”
That goes way beyond whatever faint line any politician has drawn in any sand. I’m livid and crying at the same time. Warner’s staff are looking to find anyone who might have received a call from them and I’m trying to find a reporter who will help me cover it. Murray Waas just walked by and I asked him if he thought it was a story worth persuing and he said yes.
Have you heard about this?
rw–
Good point about Chaffee; I was double-dipping.
I can’t see Biden giving up on Judiciary, unless he is President (as if!) and my tolerance for compromise for the greater good is being severley tested by Specter’s latest weirdness about blanket amnesty. WTF? Best hope is probably in the Maine twins.
BTW, I agree with you about Feingold. Much as I love the guy, I think we’d do much better on all fronts with Gore, without compromising any principles along the way.
I’ve forgotten all the details- but apparently the moderate goopers used to meet together for lunch once a month or so. Specter, Snowe, Jeffords, a small gang of em. Slowly they were whittled down to such a small group that it got to be silly- so they abandonded the practice. Northeastern goopers- an endangered species.
Mommybrain (#122), no I hadn’t and I am so glad you mentioned it. I’ll investigate. I already left Russ a message just now.
fahr–There’s a big historical difference between going DIRECTLY from the Senate to the White House and going from the senate to the VP to the White House.
My guess is that Feingold is actually making a VP bid. He would be a good ticket balancer for someone who is seen as center left- like Warner. I don’t have any inside info- but that makes sense to me.
Howie- Don’t know if you’re still around- but I love your gigs here. Great political discussion. I have only recently gotten interested in politics and am still tryin to learn how things work. You’ve been a big help. Thanks.
froggermarch 123 – Biden, president? bwaahahahah:
Senator Smarm (D-MBNA)
dazzling pearly-whites will only get him so far
rwcole – you can always revert to your subversive golf course tactics to rattle the goopers….
(Fore! score and seven years ago….)
Punaise
Another classic! (Groan)
I used to work with a couple of near scratch golfers who played each other every saturday for years.
On morning one of them said to the other “Glenn, do you hold your breath when you hit a drive?”
Glenn was done for the day- for the next seventeen holes he was thinking about breathing every time he went to the tee.
rw – great story. you just ruined my golf outing on Wed. – thanks a lot! :~)
Pach 51 – it says more about Mark Warner’s
speech. You’re fine just as you are!
…what is ActBlue?…didn’t have time to read all posts, on the run here…but in a short sentence tell me, do I go to ActBlue and donate to NcNerney and he is the guy to beat Pombo??? anything to get Pombo out…
BarbaraB #7
Christy is “the girl” on this panel. Amazing that a group of progressives put on a convention and have such little awareness (or maybe regard) for some pretty obvious problems with the lack of diversity on most of the panels.
As long as women refer to grown women, including themselves, as “girls”, we will be marginalized and diminished and disregarded. Language is loaded with layers of meaning, and some of the most powerful are the most common. “Girl” is an insult to any female past the age of puberty. Why help those who would oppress us?
If we wish to be treated as adults: equally capable, equally intelligent, then we need to speak as adults. Not as children.
spiderpaws, http://www.actblue.com/
Also, read the Lamont tags (see list at right above)
rw (#126): the question is, are we working from the same paradigm now? and who would russ’ opponent be? you’re leading with your brain (analysis) and me with my gut (emotion). again, i don’t know that i’m right, but the situation seems to plead for something different. i don’t mean to attempt to belittle you here, and i don’t know that i am, but what you’re saying sounds a lot like the democratic strategists of the past 10 years and we know where that’s gotten us.
Okay, de-lurking here after reading posts and comments for oh, maybe forever. Kinda scary.
I had to comment and send a thank you to Howie because this is my district. We can use all the extra help we can get here in the San Joaquin Valley. The state votes Blue but our district usually votes Red. Pombo is very powerful here and he will be really tough to beat. This thread is wonderful, and I thank all of you.
Oh, and here in San Joaquin County–we have Diebold voting machines!
I voted absentee.
Makes me crazy that I’m always too late to get in on the conversation…
I grew up in San Joaquin Co. and went to HS in Tracy with multiple Pombo relatives. Not exactly the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree (more like the ones that only work when you happen to be looking for the dead ones).
All the farmers in Tracy got rich when the SF Bay Area housing prices went through the roof, by selling their land to developers. Pombo is no exception. When I lived there, the population was steady at about 15,000 people. In the past 20 years it’s gone up to 75,000 – and the farmland is becoming harder and harder to spot between the strip malls and mcMansion developments.
But while they definitely got rich, these conservative Republican farmers and ranchers didn’t quite get EVERYTHING they wanted: many of the buyers of the houses in those new developments in their carefully gerrymandered Republican district are SF Bay Area uber-libs.
It was no problem until Bush ascended, because politics really aren’t that important to most people when things are okay. But in the past few years it’s become obvious that there’s a very clear division between the conservative old-timers and the liberal new-comers. The libs are angry, and the conservatives (like all good little conservatives everywhere) are scared.
You can see it driving over the Altamont Pass from the Bay Area to Tracy. There are crosses shaved into the grass on the hills, flags painted on the hills, and very large Bush signs on grubby farm outbuildings. In the 30 years I’ve been driving that road (family still live over there) there was NEVER ANYTHING like this, until the past 3 years. All of the signs/flags face West, as though the old-timers are saying, “Liberals, stay out.” It’s funny, sad and spooky subliminal symbolism – and I’m pretty damn sure it’s too little too late.
HA-HA!
CaliforniaDrySherry – good obswervations, they ring true to this Berkeley liberal who has made that drive many times. Wonder what they think of all the wind generators?
Howie ….
another great post, and another contribution sent. But please don’t bother sending this cd to me — not really a fan of the mystery band….. instead, maybe give a plug in your next post to the new Pet Shop Boys album which is being released in the US on June 22. Its extremely political — the lead single is about Blair’s relationship with Bush, and is called “I’m With Stupid”, and its their best work since they released by favorite PSB album, Bilingual) :)
Re: Winograd’s loss, I think that the “netroots push” probably came too late for her. People need time to realize that there is a viable alternative to deeply entrenched incumbents like Harman, and “early money” is needed. That’s why I’m giving to McNerney — the more early money he gets, the more seriously “establishment” contributors–the folks who can afford to write checks with more than one zero on them — will take his candidacy.
You are turning into a national treasure Howie!
I can tell you that McNerney is the real deal. He embraces the progressive agenda and wants to sweep the corrupt republicans out of office starting with CA-11. We are well aware of the kinds of tactics that Pombo will have to use, but the grassroots campaign here is going to make all the difference.
We are TIRED of lobbyists and BIG MONEY short circuiting our democracy. Let Pombo spend as much as he wants here. The way to take money out of politics is to render it USELESS.
Check out his website: http://weblog.jerrymcnerney.org/
Howie, thanks for this post and I hope you come back and read this comment.
Pombo is a national nuisance. He’s on the House Resource Committeee. This Committee affects whole swaths of US geography that include high altitudes in Washington, OR, CA, ID, MT… and other Western states. This is where the headwaters of critical river systems of the West originate. This is where key fish species spawn — BUT ONLY if the natural environments are protected. And Pombo has not been looking out for fish, fishermen, or other distinctively Western resources.
Without stronger environomental protections and federal oversight, the headwaters of these river systems cannot support and sustain the environments critical for the lifecycles of salmon, trout, and many other species. These fish species nest in headwater regions, without which spawning cannot occur. No spawning grounds = extinction.
Pombo has tanked a proposal for a Wilderness Area in Washington state that has huge implications for salmon life cycles in one entire river system. And that is only one single example (of caving in to mineral and mining interests, thereby screwing sports fishermen, tourism, and local businesses in that area).
Fishermen know their favorite species have been impacted, and those guys understand a lot about the natural cycles of the rivers. The fishermen are only now looking at the WHOLE RIVER SYSTEMS to figure out where the critical degradation of the SYSTEMS are taking place.
Therefore, Pombo’s actions on the Resource Comm are affecting fishermen and outdoor tourism throughout a huge region of the US (WA, OR, ID, MT).
He’s a Property Rights wingnut — I’m all for private property (as are all those fishermen that I know!), but everyone who fishes realizes that nobody can ‘own’ part of a river. A river is a PUBLIC TRUST, even if the land surrounding it is privately held.
Most rivers travel through several states before they reach (in my case) the Pacific, so it is simply not possible to protect fishing resources unless you start at the federal level. Which is why Mr. Pombo is a pestilence for anyone who loves fishing — or hunting (since some wild range animals feed on fish). Pombo’s rancher personana is a veil for destruction of critical regions of US habitat that fisherman and hunters rely on.
Fishermen are not traditionally ‘lefty’ voters, but Pombo’s ideogical, wingnut views are seriously impacting the biological health of key systems in the West. It’s really important that many more voters understand he’s harming all of us.
Which is my prompt to head for ActBlue.
readerofTeaLeaves, thanks for the clarification of Pombo’s abysmal record and thanks for the generous contribution at ACT BLUE. The next edition of BLUE AMERICA, a special Tuesday session, will be tomorrow (Tuesday). I hope you can make it.
Leisure Guy was right!