
(guest post by Taylor Marsh)
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is dead.
I stayed up to the wee hours to watch the live news coverage. Zarqawi's death was immediately confirmed last night by General George Casey, who heads up the U.S. operations in Iraq. The announcement was made in a brief news conference, which included Prime Minister al-Maliki, who was supposed to talk about an agreement he'd made to finally appoint people to head the Interior and Defense Ministries. Instead, al-Maliki made the announcement about Zarqawi. I guess the names of his Interior and Defense ministers will come later, one can only hope at this point.
The news about al-Zarqawi's death came after a very "bad day" in Iraq. Every time I read Baghdad Burning all I can do is shake my head, but yesterday it seemed even worse.
There’s an ethnic cleansing in progress and it’s impossible to deny. People are being killed according to their ID card. Extremists on both sides are making life impossible. Some of them work for ‘Zarqawi’, and the others work for the Iraqi Ministry of Interior. We hear about Shia being killed in the ‘Sunni triangle’ and corpses of Sunnis named ‘Omar’ (a Sunni name) arriving by the dozen at the Baghdad morgue. I never thought I’d actually miss the car bombs. At least a car bomb is indiscriminate. It doesn’t seek you out because you’re Sunni or Shia.
We still don’t have ministers in the key ministries- defense and interior. Iraq is falling apart and Maliki and his team are still bickering over who should get more power- who is more qualified to oppress Iraqis with the help of foreign occupiers? On top of all of this, rumor has it that the Iraqi parliament have a ‘vacation’ coming up during July and August. They’re so exhausted with the arguing, and struggling for power, they need to take a couple of months off to rest. They’ll leave their well-guarded homes behind for a couple of months, and spend some time abroad with their families (who can’t live in Iraq anymore- they’re too precious for that).
During the news conference, General George Casey said al-Zarqawi's death would not end the insurgency. That's for sure. It's pathetic that Casey has to remind everyone that this doesn't solve our challenges in Iraq, considering how far gone the country is at this point. But with Bush and the administration feeding progress propaganda to us at every turn it's a point that must be made.
Now we'll get to see the truth about Murtha's case regarding insurgents vs. al Qaeda types in Iraq. The reality is that it's going to take a lot more than killing al-Zarqawi to change reality on the ground in Iraq.
Good riddance to al-Zarqawi, especially what he did to Nick Berg. But his death comes so late in Bush's preemptive war games it's hard to appreciate it at all.
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Saladin !
Fitz !
FITZ!
We are past the point where any news can be good news. They say no news is good news, but in Iraq this administration has gone so far down the path to nowhere that there is no news that can be good news. Oh, other than getting the hell out.
This can’t be anything but GOOD news for all Americans (and Iraqis)!
Fitz, three.
Long live Richard Hofstadter..
Bay State Librul
Good morning Taylor,
Did you guys see the picture of a dead Zarqawi CNN just showed?
Looks like a really bad oil painting.
This can only be a good thing for morale. The resistance won’t stop because of one death, but it’s still something to be happy about for once.
Fitz yet again.
Only trouble is, how many fresh Zarqawis has Chimpco begotten.
And Dipshit is gonna wave this bloody skull around and slap on another codpiece and the MSM will swoon.
Does anyone REALLY believe this? How many times has this guy or the “second in command of AQ” been killed? Is there a body this time? Did it have both legs (remember how his leg miraculously re-appeared once the invasion was a fait accompli)?
NPR was agog over this this morning. That alone should set off alarm bells.
CL
P.S. Yeah, it would probably be good for the world not to have people like this around, but only if their deaths didn’t spawn more replacements. But I have a hard time revelling in the death of anyone.
the significant bump in the polls the Preznit got after the capture of Saddam was not missed by Administration spin-meisters. The death of Zarqawi is good news but it is hardly the millenial hallelujah the media are making it out to be…with so many turning points, the Govt is going around in circles…
There’s a bit more color from Juan Cole:
http://tinyurl.com/kvcjc
The basic assessment is, of course, identical to Taylor’s.
Am I correct in recalling that Bush had the opportunity to take out al-Zarqawi well before the war but decided against it because killing al-Zarqawi would weaken his case for going to war against Iraq? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
Well, I guess now we have to all concede Bush is the greatest President EVER! Greater than Lincoln, greater than Washington, a better ass kicker than FDR and Truman combined! If Bin Laden does a perp walk we’re repealing the 22nd Amendment and calling off the ‘08 elections! Mission Accomplished! Think I’ll check the news just to confirm all the violence and killings in Iraq and Afghanistan came to a halt last night…………
Looks like we’ve turned another corner.
Now can we please get the f*** out of there???
[channeling sharkbabe]
sad to say, Pacifica, you are right. Zarqawi was up in the northern Kurdish area, out of reach by Saddam before the War. His presence in Iraq was oft cited as proof of Saddam’s evilness, even though he is was a part of Iraq out of Saddam’s control and an area where the U.S. had unrestricted flying rights. Airstrikes were called on his house by local authorities but DC over-ruled it several times …
The Bush government has apparently decided that declaring the Arab version of Emmanuel Goldstein dead serves for better propaganda than having him around. I don’t believe anything this government has said. For all we know the man called al-Zarqawi has been dead for some time and his corpse on ice for the right kind of propaganda move.
al-Zarqawi was no doubt responsible for terroristic acts, but I doubt he is/was the comic book super-villain he was made out to be. For all we know he was no more competent than shoe-bomber Richard Reid, just that he’s had US government propaganda portraying him as a criminal mastermind.
Since the problems in Iraq are the growing civil war, I strongly suspect the removal of the al-Zarqawi boogeyman will make little difference.
Pacifica - according to an interview between Scheuer and foreign press, you are right.
I have no idea why the US press seems to ignore the opportunities for information available from him. At first I thought it was due to some confidentiality agreement aspects he might be under, but now and then you will get something like a local paper interview with him and he doesn’t seem that concerned or restricted. To have Tucker and Matthews and Scarborough get together as the analysts — when someone with his experience is available — I don’t understand USpress at all.
It’s not that I’m unhappy that Zarqawi was put down like a dog, I just wish it meant more that he was. I wish this meant that the resistance would crumble and that peace talks could begin. I wish that it meant that the fighting was over and that unity could ring throughout Iraq.
It doesn’t. You cut off Zarqawi’s head and another madman’s head will grow back in its place.
Still more from John Robb at Global Guerrillas (the best blog I’ve found on 4GW issues) on al-Zarqawi’s significance:
http://tinyurl.com/jyudv
I’m afraid the damage has been done, but one way to look at possible improvement would be to track sectarian violence since that’s been his focus.
egregious, I agree completely — this was THE evil fellow in Iraq and all, wasn’t he? So, now we are done.
I am being snarky because as Americans, we have long fallen for the “great man/evil man” theory of history: “Saddam is an evil man — as bad as Hitler. If we just “take him out” the garden of eden will be restored in Mesopotamia.”
Kim Jong Il is an evil man, if we only ….
The Ayotollah (fill in the blank) is an evil man and if we only remove him ….
OK, not only the Ayoltollah, the President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, is a very evil Hitler-like fellow and if we remove him ….
Assad ….
That French guy Villapain, is really bad and ….
Etc….
We are constantly disapointed to the moment of defeat by the failure of the “key man” theory in practice.
Some Biographical notes from the ABC News story
Most readers here can fill in the blanks, but I will anyways.
Al-Zarqawi was born Oct. 30, 1966, to Palestinian parents in a refugee camp in Jordan. He takes his name from his hometown ? a dusty mining town 17 miles north of Amman called Zarqa.
A Palestinian from Jordon - Displaced from his homeland. Nothing Iraqui yet
Al-Zarqawi is a nom de guerre. His family name is al-Khalayeh, but given name is unclear; it has been cited as Ahmed or Fadel Nazzel. His parents are dead, and reporters have found few living relations.
Locals mainly remember him as a pious youth who dropped out of high school and eventually went to fight in the Afghan war against the Soviets in the 1980s. Upon his return to Jordan, he began associating with militant groups and was jailed for several years.
remind me again , Who recruited and trained Muslim fundamentalists? Neocons, that’s right.
When he was released, he fled to Europe, eventually returning to Afghanistan and running terrorist camps there. He is said to have specialized in poisons and chemical attacks.
See above
Intelligence sources say al-Zarqawi was fighting against U.S. forces in Afghanistan when they began their campaign shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, and was wounded. They believe he fled to northern Iraq, where he reportedly associated with a group of Kurdish Islamic fundamentalists called Ansar al Islam, which U.S. officials have linked to al Qaeda.
Kurds… they’re our allies, right…In the fight against Sadaam and all…
In short, we have now destroyed another enemy of our own making. How many more are we making today?
Sorry Gerogie but your despicable ‘presidency’ has made me dead cynical. One has to wonder just how long you’ve had him (Z) in your pocket waiting for the opportune moment to lower the boom.
I’ll have to stay away from the television today if it is to remain in one piece. Ohhhhhh the joy… the turning point…the crowing…the climbing poll numbers, as we all careen toward the cliff.
What’s that? The kids are not comming home? I thought not.
Mary (138 below) sez:
I also wonder if this is why the Iraq briefing to Congress was cancelled? Waiting to be able to have this under their belt so that the focus would be on it and not the news of the general state of Iraq the last 6 mos.?
Yepper, best piece o’ timing to befall GWBville
in lo these many years. And you know what? I’m so glad that monster is history, I’ll even allow them their (momentary) WHEW!
{boy, is this site crawling right now — we got us lotsa traffic, eh? ‘Sokay — y’all come, ya-he-uh!)
Future Mrs. C - even without someone to take his place, things go on, bc his “group” was only one small aspect of the violence. I think it spawned some of the nastiest of the violence, but he was just one of the opportunistic infections - not the disease.
It is good that he is gone though and I hope they get info and intel from this that will help with other aspects of al-Qaeda and that he had not become so independent that his intel dead ends.
immanentize @ 21
So what you’re saying is that if we get rid of Bush - he leaves/is kicked out of office, that is - we still have problems?
Shoot. First I don’t win the lotto, and now this.
I need some really good news. Where’s looseheadprop to tell us about her lunch with Helen Thomas?
immanentize #21,
Absolutely. Very rarely in the history of warfare has killing a specific person made much difference. Most of the time there’s a capable replacement available when a leader is killed.
Typically when taking out a key figure does have an effect, it’s the military mastermind who is killed. The most recent, best example I can think of is when we shot down Admiral Yamamoto in WWII. His death was a devastating blow to the morale of Japan, but they were operating under a notion that their leaders were invincible and near god-like. I don’t think the martyrdom world of al-Qaeda will respond in a similar fashion.
MSNBC just interviewed Nick Berg’s father, Michael Berg. He called George Bush a “madman”. It was a striking, emotional interview. Berg spoke of all the deaths of Iragis and soldiers and when asked at what point the US should withdraw from Iraq, he said “within the next twelve minutes because within the next 12 minutes someone else in Iraq will be killed”.
Watching Gina cooper on C-Apan. So cool!
Being there is the only way it could be any better than this.
OT New poll in CT shows Ned Lamont numbers are up.
http://www.courant.com/news/lo.....ines-local
By the way, is it a coincidence that this major al-Zarqawi news happened just as YearlyKos started? YearlyKos is the largest political gathering of liberals in this country since the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Recall the Bush government manipulated terrorism threats to influence media coverage in 2004 to interfere with the convention.
puppethead, I doubt we scare them that much.
Yet.
Peterr, LHP had lunch with Helen Thomas?!
Tell us more.
The Mayor of Kabul, Hamid Karzai, says the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is a “severe blow” to global terrorism.
FITZ!!!!
after the blessed return of FDL
Testing…
Kazuza
Y’all don’t know how bad I was a Jonesin’
and a blessed Kazuza to you !
KAZUZA ALL! Man, THAT was certainly little to no fun.
Oh yes we do, Dr, Bong.
Good morning, everyone. Glad FDL is up. Thanks to all the hard work getting us back in action.
So, server problems? my refresh button is worn out.
it’s way cool to use the ping command to try the FDL server every 10 seconds to see if things are up again… (I’m sooo lazy)
A big Thanks to the techies.
Ping command? Whassat?
Paris Hilton and friends are still running that cablenews commercial about the “Death Tax” — too bad, girlie, it lost again! YAYES!!!
One bright spot: It put Dirtbag Coulter on the back burner, for awhile at least.
Don’t know where that was we just went, but let’s not go there again.
How to Turn One Million Firepups Into Instant WATBS
by A. Gremlin
Boy, was that scary. I could’t get onto the doglake and I thought it was the ghost of zarquawi….
It’s worse then when your cable goes out - at least then you can call someone about it; with a website, not so much.
Zarqawi is meaningless in terms of Iraq; as for here? Maybe TEAM LOSER gets a small short term blip till the next massive bomb goes off in Baghdad or soldiers are killed.
Interestingly, the stock market continues to get hammered.
And can someone explain to me how a $1 drop in oil prices is a TUMBLE? If oil were $30 bucks a barrel it “might” be a meaningful drop, but at $71? Also not so much.
Ping command? Whassat?
It’s a tool to send network messages to a server on the internet and get an automatic response back. Very handy to test if a server is reachable.
It is indeed named after the use of sonar by submarines, which sent out “pings” to locate nearby subs.
So now that Zaqwari is dead Bushco is waiting for a bounce in the JAR. WHOOPS! missed it. it went up .000001%
Also - Excellent KAZUZA-ing. :-) Keep up the good work.
911 was a ruse.
The war on terror is a ruse.
al-Zarqawi’s death will little effect the long term level violence.
Paris Hilton, Dirtbag Coulter, Defunct Zarqawi . . . hmmm, I see a pattern developing here.
Even if those three derelicts, I’m delighted to see anything here.
Give it up for Jamie & the Elves!!! WOOHOOO
“ping” is a primordial activity in TCP/IP to test connectivity of a network. In the command box you just type “ping www.firedoglake.com” to see if there’s anything at the other end. That string can be added to to determine the number of attempts and the spacing of attempts… I set it to try 9999 times, one ping every 10 seconds.
Why “ping” ? It’s the sound a BB makes hitting a metal garbage can. If you can hear the ping, you hit the target!
Expect more high-fiving and ball-spiking from the bedwetters, chickenhawks and war porn addicts. Also, needless to say, further accusations of the Left being traitors.
Killing Abu Musab al-Zarqawi now is like cutting out a fast growing cancer, four years after it was discovered.
It means nothing, because the cancer has already spread throughout the body.
Rahm Emmanuel did a brilliant one-minuter this morning comparing Anne Coulter to terrorists, spreading hate, division and fear amongst Americans. He also called on his GOP colleagues to repudiate her remarks about 9/11 survivors since she allegedly speaks for the GOP !
Y’all catch Murtha on CNN during The Recent Unpleasantry? Good, solid immovable object, that man. More bravos!
*ilson, full props to both you and Rahm E for what y’all just said.
Oh, the gods are merciful, and the tech gurus are greatly skilled and well loved. FDL is back!
Any news from Looseheadprop’s lunch with the truly beautiful Helen Thomas? (hearing her ask questions at the press conferences is pure beauty, watching Snow squirm, dodge and weave, well, not so much)
from Telegraph.co.uk:
“There were six people - including a woman and a child - in the house when the bombs landed, according to the US, but only Zarqawi and Abdul-Rahman have so far been identified.
Shortly after the strikes, 17 more raids were conducted on other suspected hideouts for Zarqawi associates in Baghdad. They produced a “treasure trove” of information, according to the Americans.”
another ubiquitous “woman and child”…
and 500 pound bombs always neatly leave treasre troves of intelligence..
Happy Days!
Margot,
Two days ago, looseheadprop dropped a teaser on us:
Various folks gave her some suggestions, and then yesterday she dropped another teaser:
What a flirt! ;)
Still no word yet, but we’re patient folks around here . . . look at how long we’ve been waiting for another indictment from Fitz.
Maybe she’s just stuck in traffic, or maybe she won the lottery, and is headed to Las Vegas on a last minute trip . . .
Tommy - In “be careful what you wish” thinking, the fact that the violence will continue in Iraq regardless will make the death of Zarqawi a pyrhhic “victory” for the bedwetters. Not that they will see it that way, but that will be the ultimate theme/story that develops. Then, they’ll have to “create” a new Zarqawi, in the same way that they “created” Zarqawi himself; a new nemesis for their comic book super
zerohero preznit to blame and go after since Iraq will still be a no-win quagmire for the US.I also have to add that I cannot believe the coverage this is getting on MSNBC and I assume other stations. Like Egregious said, we’ve seemingly won, let’s go home.
Punaise!
Guess what we’re doing this weekend.
Not Vegas.
We’re stuck working that farm we don’t got, still.
At least I had a few hours to dream.
(I was worried for a while you might think I busted FDL so I wouldn’t have to make good on sending you first class tickets to YKos, cause I won the big one.)
Gosh I’m glad we’re all back…I was feeling totally left behind because I’m going to see my grandmother this weekend instead of going to Vegas. (Getting to be 93 and being in a nursing home is not for the faint of heart…) Then, BAM, nothing for hours.
Today’s “kill” will change nothing on the ground. I find it interesting that he may have been done in by a close associate. So who’s the heir apparent? Analogy: the mob.
Murtha’s ability to handle the loaded and “gotcha” questioning of MSM “interviewers” is near-perfect. He blows their traps up in their faces, side stepping gingerly and has his say. Every Dem politician should study his technique.
Good riddance to Zarqawi, and with all respect to Michael Berg, I don’t regret a minute that he was bombed instead of gone in after…too much potential for more lost lives in a firefight.
Tempered by the news that within days of losing a Fargo National Guardsman in Baghdad, now 2 National Guardsmen from Bismarck–killed in Afghanistan. 21 year old boys who volunteered to serve and paid the ultimate price. We all grieve their loss. “These guys were trained to be bridgebuilders,” a source told me.
And gee, what a shame, Kyra, the stock market is still plummeting. Screw you. My source in the regional media also commented that people aren’t just angry against Bush, they’re increasingly bitter. So much for the Great Dividerer.
While we wait for lhp’s yarn, here’s a link to the Susan Glaspell story I was going on about yesterday, “A Jury of Her Peers” (1927, and deemed by Updike one of the 100 best American short stories of the 20th C). Enjoy.
http://www.learner.org/exhibit.....ltext.html
Been bouncing around the cable stations on this, and one of the reporters on the ground in Baghdad brought up the point that more than a few of the other insurgent leaders did not like Z. at all, in part because of his tactics for targetting civilians. The reporter (sorry, can remember who it was) thought that one possible scenario now would be for these folks to get together in a more unified way, now that their chief rival is gone. Not sure if that was his theory, or the local conventional wisdom, or what.
New thread is up!
The conflation of circumstances could not be more orchestrated, imho. First the Iraq briefing is cancelled and Khalilzad is not available, then the parade of photos and announcement of Zarqawi’s death, followed by the announcement of the Sunni defense minister and two other ministers.
ba-da-bing!
Dee: Even better was CNN’s Soledad O’Brien’s interview with Michael Berg. Try as she might to get the propaganda she was hoping for (she is so obvious with her leading questions) Mr. Berg unflinchingly and with great candor spoke his mind. Very powerful, especially considering what happened to his son.
Although I have some qualms celebrating the death of anyone, killing Zarqawi is a good thing. He was a very vicious and evil man but I agree with the general consensus here that it is too little too late and that Zarqawi was more someone whom we could fixate on and less the leader of the insurgency or even the jihadist movement in Iraq. With his death and the final confirmation of a permanent government in Iraq after 175 days of dithering, it has been a good day for Iraq and the Bush Administration. But it is still only one day and scores in Iraq like Zarqawi did not live to see its end.
New Waas up on Ashcroft’s involvement in the Plame treason:
http://news.nationaljournal.co.....608nj1.htm
OT:
So, I was standing in line to get my name tag for YKos right behind Ambasador Wilson. We talked a bit, just idle chit-chat. Saw Maureen Dowd sans make-up, slip into one of the lecture rooms. Met ReddHedd and TeddySanfran. Awesome. Joe Wilson standing in line to get his creds! He left to go golfing. This is so kewl!
OT –
Billmon’s on fire re the Yale blacklisting of Juan Cole.
How has killing the leaders of terrorist groups worked for other countries who have done it?
Eh, not so well….
We are dealing with a hydra here, one that we created ourselves.
Hate to say it, but given the Bush Regime’s and the American military’s — shall we say — loose affiliation with the truth, I choose to remain skeptical about this latest al-Zarkawi liquidation.
Even if it is true, it’s worthwhile being skeptical.
Isn’t it peculiar that the face of a man in a cement block house (see CNN video)that bombs have reduced to rubble is still intact and identifiable? I don’t buy the story.
Much as I’d love to believe it, I know I’m not the only one whose first reaction to this story was: Is this the sort of thing Bush’s minions would lie about?
Maybe we’ll find out for sure next week or so.
S’okay. This administration is all about deferred joy. I’m getting used to it.
treepeony
EXACTLY! I couldn’t agree more. They said that they ID’ed him by fingerprints, and have a face shot–that is a pretty intact corpse. So the houses blew up but he didn’t.
*wilson:
Yet, they felt so desperate they had to pull the plug in June. Unless they’ve got bin Laden on ice they’re gonna wish they’d saved this for late Oct.
treepeony:
ding, ding, ding. And my wife just about lost her breakfast when I showed her the headline on CNN. She was utterly disgusted that “we” framed a picture of a dead guy to parade around.
In case anyone’s interested, the new Zarqawi has already been announced. He’s an Eqyptian, Abu al Masri, who is reportedly Zarqawi’s second-in-command (thought those guys were all captured or killed….?) and has been working with Zarqawi since 2002 in Afghanistan. Swiss papers are reporting this.
Doubt if they’ll call him “Abu” - video surely to appear soon….
The wingnut circle jerk over this is in full effect. Fox News is acting like it’s V-J Day or something.
If only Zarqawi really were the global mastermind of evil that conservatives make him out to be. I think the Reality Based Community is largely in agreement: just another corner turned on the road to nowhere.
And my wife just about lost her breakfast when I showed her the headline on CNN. She was utterly disgusted that “we” framed a picture of a dead guy to parade around.
Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney will be drinking a toast tonight from the skulls of Zarqawi, Uday and Qusay.
Yikes! Anyone home? Is everyone in Vegas?
Have fun … , she wishes she could have joined you.
she mourns.
but you will do good things.
she smiles
rawstory is reporting that taking him alive was never a consideration. wtf? couldn’t we have tortured him for precious intel? i guess that torture business doesn’t work so well afterall…
also- love how quickly they reported this and got video out as opposed to abu ghraib and haditha… propagandizing fucks!
Yep, I’ve heard of Abu al-Masri before. Be nice if some of those jihadis decide maybe they’re not quite ready for 72 virgins just yet, after all … but that’s a (comparatively) rational person’s reaction to today’s news, rather than a jihadi’s (either Salafi or Chimpian).
Molly NYC — Verrrry deferred joy, unless, of course, we’re talking about our oilfieldguy.
Amazing how that works, innit, travy?
that’s so bizarre, when I posted my previous comment at 88, I showed no comments existing atall. after the post 88 appeared.
maybe zarqaawi’s ghost is lurking.
John Burns in the NYTimes reported today that the interior and defense ministry appointments have been agreed to.
“But his death comes so late in Bush’s preemptive war games it’s hard to appreciate it at all. “
Isn’t that the truth…
Peterr @ 6:39am:
Yes, that’s exactly what it means. It’s good to remind ourselves often that Bush is only the talking head. If Bush goes, but everyone else retains power, then our problems haven’t even begun to get solved.
Did anyone else catch the quote on the CNN newsbite where Nick Berg’s father said GWB ought to be impeached? Funny, I can’t seem to find a transcript anywhere…hmmm……..
Cursing self for not having the Tivo hooked up to upstairs television.
Just so Ann Coulter won’t accuse us of not supporting the troops, although she will anyway, lets all raise our hands in the air and give a big cheer for killing Zarqawi and turning yet another corner in our fight against an insurgency in its last throes. I hope this makes a difference, but I doubt it. There are several million other people that want us out of their country as well.
Marketwatch is calling it “Oil Eases” and then “Crude falls below $70″ after Zarqawi’s death.
Get this: “NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - Crude-oil futures continued to trade below $70 a barrel Thursday after the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq.
Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki announced that Jordanian-born al-Zarqawi, who was said to be the instigator behind much of the violence in the country, including suicide bombings, kidnappings and beheadings, was killed in an air strike along with seven aides.”
There you have it. All is saved, the primary instigator of all Iraq’s violence is dead, so we can expect flowers and chocolates any day now.
But the voice of reason chimes in by the fifth paragraph: ” “While this story would have been tremendously bearish about a year ago, the situation in Iraq has now become so chaotic, that it transcends the death of one man, influential as al-Zarqawi was,” said Edward Meir, an analyst at Man Financial.
“The price decline we are seeing today may therefore be limited in scope after the initial selling is over,” he added. “
Oh, and you-all will like this driblet of reason: “”The market is now convinced that the U.S. and world negotiators will do just about anything to bring Iran to the negotiating table,” said Phil Flynn, senior market analyst at vice president of Alaron Trading. “And as long as Iran is negotiating they will undoubtedly be pumping oil.”"
How funny that Bush/Cheney/Condi would now be on the wrong side of the oil market. Seems like Iran has the football now, um?
MEanwhile, the Dowis down 67, fifth straight day, and it’s all about rates: “”The biggest concern in the market recently has been the global tightening of monetary policy,” said Michael Malone, trading analyst at Cowen & Co. “In the last couple of days, we have gotten very hawkish commentary from Bernanke along with a number of Fed governors. We’ve also seen interest rate hikes by the ECB, Turkey and South Korea. There is real concern that this tightening may lead to slowing of global economic growth.”"
Well, duh, raise rates on a struggling economy and it’s like going cold turkey. The lovely easy drug of cheap money is suddenly more expensive on the street, and damn, we junkies are starting to hurt. I just don’t get how the Fed thinks that general prices can not be related to oil prices. I can imagine some panic in the white house on this one…
I’m being lazy by not reading all the comments, but you guys saw Murray Waas’ latest right? ….
http://news.nationaljournal.co.....608nj1.htm
“One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, “The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.”
so, why has this bogeyman been put to rest now? is he no longer effective since that silly fake video showed he could even operate a gun correctly? does it have to do w/the timing of haditha?
if you think his death has nothing to do w/the psyops campaign i have a beach property to sell you ,cheap.
perhaps maleki and the US image makers really need a boost. whatever.
Verification? Like I believe this story? Puh-lease.
Thanks wxyz at 76 for the link the the new Waas article. What do you make of the last paragraph?
#Asked what might have caused the Fitzgerald appointment, Comey said: “If you were to speculate in print or in the media about particular people, I think that would be unfair to them.” Then he added, almost as an afterthought, “We don’t want people that we might be interested in to know we’re interested in them.”#
What is that horrific picture on the drudgereport? I’m going to have nightmares about that ‘face’.
“Just so Ann Coulter won’t accuse us of not supporting the troops, although she will anyway, lets all raise our hands in the air and give a big cheer for killing Zarqawi and turning yet another corner in our fight against an insurgency in its last throes. I hope this makes a difference, but I doubt it. There are several million other people that want us out of their country as well. “
Send them Ann Coulter!
YOU STILL NEED TO CATCH OSAMA BIN LADEN, GEE-DUB
One down and a couple hundred thousand to go. Nice Job Clusterfuck!
Berg’s father on Bush…
http://today.reuters.com/news/.....amp;rpc=22
Just arrived in Vegas. . . taking the shuttle bus to the Riv. Long day of flying! I’ll check in again later.
psy-ops, there & here
No FDL until just now. One of my paranoid fantasies is that they close us out from our on-line news and commentary sources/ community. But seriously, what’s plan “B”? in the unlikely event of a water landing, so to speak?
dex, that last sentence shouts out doesn’t it. i had the same reaction
This is just another meaningless turning point like the fifty or so others before it. It makes a great photo-op but means nothing. Al-Zarqawi’s death doesn’t fundamentally change the situation on the ground in Iraq in any way. Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, and other groups can’t get along and are still committed to ethnic cleansing through terror and violence. All Iraqis are turning against our continued occupation of their country and our increasingly brutal treatment of them. Leaders of a movement are important but there are many others who will come forward and essentially take his place in a much more low-profile way. The many groups not aligned with him still exist and will continue to be active; they all have their own agenda. Because of this, the guerrilla war is simply unlikely to subside anytime soon.
Just got back from YearlyKos opening, came home to pick up my WiFi laptop. The place is buzzing. Heading back to the Riviera shortly. Will be at the FDL caucus this afternoon.
My cell # is (702) 283-1355.
Does it strike y’all that Al-Zarqawi’s corpse headshot pic looks remarkable unscathed for having been the recipient of two direct hit F-16 500lb bomb strikes?
Excellent entry. The proper take on all this. “Good riddance, but . . . “
Annie, I really don’t know what to make of it. Any ideas? Anybody?
I don’t believe for one second that they killed the guy. Sorry W.
Interesting article at
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200607/zarqawi
Sums up with a high level Jordanian Intelligence official who says:
If Zarqawi is captured or killed tomorrow, the Iraqi insurgency will go on. There is no such thing as ‘Zarqawism’. What Zarqawi is will die with him. Bin Laden, on the other hand, is an ideological thinker. He created the concept of al-Qaeda and all of its offshoots. He feels he’s achieved his goal. He paused for a moment, then said, Osama bin Laden is like Karl Marx. Both created an ideology. Marxism still flourished well after Marx’s death. And whether bin Laden is killed, or simply dies of natural causes, al-Qaedaism will survive him.
ralphbon (#78):
Just one more infamous strike against the best interests of America by the zealous bigots that give the cause of Israel a bad name. Along with AIPAC and the neocons, these people have no shame and are totally amoral. They do not represent what America stands for and should be shunnned and ridiculed at every opportunity. Yale University has brought shame upon itself with this stupid, cowardly act. The faculty committee at Yale has just sold it’s integrity for money. Simply contemptable.
does it seem odd to anyone else?
statements from the “anything for good news about the war” crowd?
this isn’t going to help the insurgency, this will still go on and on.
seems the collective dufus realizes that it is far too little, too late.
why in the hell did our propaganda machine not go to town on this?
why isn’t he strapped to the hood of a car and driven through all the major world capitals?
no one is saying this means anything, so something may just be up, no? perhaps that civil war that isn’t occuring in Iraq (according to US mouthpiece) is about to explode?
in case it hasn’t been said, JAR will rise. Maybe near 50%
…”working”
Old Sow at 111
That is a very pertinent question.
I just heard Micheal Berg over at crooksandliars. Was that ever eloquent and brave. What a noble man.
According to U.S. military intelligence reports (and Rachel Maddow this morning who cited the stat), 95% of the Iraqi insurgency are native Iraqis fighting to oust an occupying force, not foreign fighters and not Al Qaeda.
Killing Zarqawi changes what exactly? Makes for good headlines, gives Shrubby a bump, but the bloodshed and the horror will continue. Too much water has passed under the bridge for these murderous thugs to earn an ounce of credit. They are war criminals and capturing a thousand “top Al Qaeda operatives” won’t change that.
Next we’ll be told that Santa Calus and the Easter bunny were collateral damage in the attack. Oh the benefits of controlling the media and the message being swallowed by a nation in which 50% of the population think we’re waging war to spread democracy and freedom. Oy!
so, this is VERY enlightening
zarqawi wasn’t even in charge anymore
http://washingtontimes.com/wor.....-2680r.htm
Old Sow & Talcott, the answer (according to Taylor) is:
http://www.firedoglake.com/index.php
http://apoeticjustice.blogspot.....joice.html Rejoice!
kurotenshi @ 107
C&L has the video of an interview with Berg’s father. He speaks the unspeakable, despite Soledad trying to steer him back onto the peace and democracy narrative after the vengence narrative fails.
No, I didn’t win the lottery. Torrential rai has blacked out internet for miles around my office. Finally, I couldn’t take it anymore and packed up the laptop and came home.
Unfortunaltey I have to prep for and drive to a meeting in Manhattan (3 friggin drops of rain and traffic stands still out here).
But let me give you a couple/few bits (it took notes)
A) this woman is SOOO hip. i never met a little old lady who was so up to date. I do believ she coul dimpress my middle schooler!
B) Mary will love this. Ms. homas could not say enough about the imporatnce of the Keith decision and Judge Keith’s soon to be classic “democracy dies behind closed doors” quote.
C) One thing I found surprising: She does not think TDS or Colbert Report are news shows.She thinks it is good to have a lauh about topical subjects, but was astounded that anyone would consider that news.
D) Some other women sitting at my table think she either had an affair with JFK or a serious mad crsuh on him that persists to this day. You should see her face go all soft whenever she starts talking about him.
If the JAR rises above 40% it would be seismic. The bloom is long off the rose.
Great aperitif, lhp — looking forward to the rest! Be careful on your trotting about while we wait, um, patiently for your return.
Best Helen Thomas from lunch (which had MUCH greater attendance than I expected, despite the rain and the Wed. Broadway matinee traffic):
Re: Kennedy “He would always reach for the stars.” “He knew war first hand which why he worked so hard for peace.” She talked a lot about how he tried to convince the best and brightest that the highest use of their talents and education was not making a pile of money, that it was serrving their fellow man by serving their country and that government service was a calling.
Which made me mist up a little b/c that is exactly how i felt/feel about goverment service.
HT on Presidents in general (after someone suggested that Shrub was not smart enough to be president). She did not let GWB off the hook on that excuse.
She said “you don’t have to be a genius to be president”. “”when you become president, you are at the top of the heap.” “you have all the power in the world.” “Your ONLY job is to do the right thing.”
Funny, but I noticed that her quote was almost verbatum quoting what PJF said in a Q&A with some college kids that was reported about 1-2 months ago. He said when you are a US attorney, your only job is to do the right thing.
How much you want to bet she read that, and was inspired?
Sure is quiet in the blogsphere today. Damn, I wish I was in Vegas!
Last bit re: HT
She said unequivocally that “we are being spied on” and our “email is being read”
and that “all reasons given for the invasion of Iraq have been proven to be untrue”
That we are in a downhill slide as a nation and she is shocked by the passivity and lack of outrage (she used the phrase “lack of outrage” or “where is the outrage?” many times)since 9/11. She explained that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 the press was afraid to say ANYTHING critical or even challenging about or to the WH for fear of being labelled “unpatriotic” and although that was a reasonable reaction for a few days/weeks, somehow it calcified and led to the the mess the pres is in now.
This lady is in a position to know what she is talking about and I for one was very pleasently surprised that she let ‘er rip.
Even though it essentially killed a whole day that was supposed to be spent working (for which I will oay with late nights and this weekend) I loved it.
What a woman!
Lotus at 127, Sorry, I don’t understand your response. Are you saying that things are already being taken away bit by bit?
BobbyG said: Does it strike y’all that Al-Zarqawi’s corpse headshot pic looks remarkable unscathed for having been the recipient of two direct hit F-16 500lb bomb strikes?
Or, as my cubie said, two 500lb bombs in the middle of a district full of houses means a lot more people (men, women and children) than just al-Zarqawi are dead. How long before we see pictures of them?
Look at the picture of the dead Zarqawi real careful. See - he has a scratch on his face. See?
Now, watch the Pentagon video of the bombing of the house he was in. THEY BLEW THE SHIT OUT OF THAT HOUSE. THE FIRST TIME. AND THEN BOMBED THE SHIT OUT OF IT AGAIN A SECOND TIME…JUST TO BE SURE.
And then go back and look at that picture of him with the scratch on his face.
Hmmmmm………….
Oh - and with all the information the U.S. had on Zarqawi’s whereabouts, which enabled the U.S. Air Force to target this one house (out of the millions of houses all over Iraq), all of the planning of the airstrike, fixing the location for the bombers, waiting for the bombers to arrive and strike, etc. etc. etc…….and the Iraqi’s were the first ones to arrive after the bombing! Not the Americans, who had been planning this whole operation…..no, it was the Iraqi POLICE. Guess one of the neighbors must’ve called 911 to report a mysterious noise next door. But I don’t think it was the neighbor whose house was also flattened by the two 500 pound bombs. Must’ve been another neighbor.
Hmmmmm………………..
Cointreau Leviticus says:
June 8th, 2006 at 6:14 am
Does anyone REALLY believe this? How many times has this guy or the “second in command of AQ” been killed? Is there a body this time? Did it have both legs (remember how his leg miraculously re-appeared once the invasion was a fait accompli)?
NPR was agog over this this morning. That alone should set off alarm bells.
Amen to those alarm bells, Cointreau!
Taylor, you’re not doing anyone any favors by giving this bullshit more coverage.
As for him killing Nick Berg, there was so much wrong with that video that you can only be sure it’s bullshit, too. For a start, Nick was already dead.
Zarqawi was the poster boy for the DOD PsyOps program. He was responsible for every car bombing. Iraq occupation has to be getting pretty bad for the USA to take him out. It is easier to blame a foreign terrorist than a popular uprising and the Baathist Dead Enders for successfully contesting the American occupation.
Corporate media won’t point it out but the US military is so undermanned that aerial bombing of houses in the capital city, Bagdad, and all of its collateral damage, is the only way to take out suspects. The USA only controls the green zone and the 14 permanent bases. The rest of Iraq is Indian Country.
Oh sorry, Old Sow. That WAS too cryptic.
No, I meant that Taylor, on one of the other active threads — I’m jumping around and making myself dizzy — just gave that URL as the answer to WhaddaWeDoForaBackupIfFDLGoesBadAgain?
As for him killing Nick Berg, there was so much wrong with that video that you can only be sure it’s bullshit, too. For a start, Nick was already dead.
And your source on that, Cointreau, is . . . ?
Does anyone else think those 2 photos are of different people? Look at the detail.
One need go no further than Riverbend’s blog to see the reality of life in Iraq.
When she first started the blog, she was able to post every day. Now, she’s lucky if she can post every two weeks — the electricity doesn’t stay on long enough to allow it.
When she first started the blog, she had a job and could wear jeans to work. Now she doesn’t have a job because the religious zealots pressured her boss into canning her and she doesn’t dare go out of the house without a long black robe and at least one male relative.
When she first started the blog, Iraq had a functioning government and infrastructure. Now it has civil war and blood.
lotus 142: that video is discussed in the Atlantic article I referenced in post 119; in part, it reads (page 4 of 5):
The U.S. military quickly announced that the executioner was al-Zarqawi himself, and although no one doubts that he planned the operation, questions soon arose: the figure seems taller than al-Zarqawi, and he uses his right hand to wield the knife. Al-Zarqawi is said to be left-handed.
You can cut the crap Taylor, we all know this was
propaganda too.
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd06082006.html
Something’s busted. When you hit “Home” you end up on this thread. It’s not the latest thread.
Follow the “next” arrows at the top of the page to get to a current posting and comment thread.
It’s just a EPU’d Zone strange occurance. Nobody panic!
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When Dorothy’s house dropped on the Wicked Witch of the East, she died– and was seen no more– I think I remember her feet shriveled up. Just think what 2 500 lb bombs would have done…
Ding dong , Zarqawi’s dead!
Which Zarqawi?
The wicked Zarqawi!
I am with #9. Zarqawi has had more endings than a Hollywood movie. Why believe the lie?
current thread —
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....aqi-women/
This is a very temporary morale booster for our troops and all those who believe this guy was actually that important.
It’s like Ripley killing the alien queen. It’s good news, but in the next episode we find she’s been impregnated, and the alien race goes on.
Angie- I think Zarqawi was more of a FrankeNeoconstein’s monster and his brothers still roam the earth.
Don’t get EPU’d. Go here: http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....aqi-women/
His Neilson numbers were down anyways…the Pentagon had to put him into turnaround…stay tuned for a new pilot…something with a Persian twist.
~
Dru @ 152– I think you hit that one right on the bolt! Sheesh.
or, you hit that one on the head of the bolt…
you know what I mean! don’cha?
link for current thread -
http://www.firedoglake.com/index.php
lhp - I do love it :-)
Sorry you’ll have to make up for missed time, but it sounds like it was a great changeup.
Don’t miss the Waas article. He’s got good stuff!
hi gang!
I just had a sandwich, and Jane just called to say she arrived. We’ll have some updates for you soon, I think.
It’s weird seeing so many people with their orange cloth necklaces on which their badges hang. Everyone looks at your badge as they walk by you, to figure out if they knw you or not. Adam Nagourney just walked by me as I type this. He’s very short.
Hi Pach - thanks for the update, we hear you are a stellar trainer. FYI; the site is acting up a bit- 2 new threads since this one… scroll up and click past Sincerely, Arlen to Desperate Iraqi Women for the current thread.
Hi Pach! Very cool. I remember saying to Huey Newton when I met him, “you’re shorter than I thought.” We both just laughed.
From an article on Yahoo today:
“Experts say that when Zarqawi saw his influence waning, he decided to make the video in an effort to bolster support and ignite his followers. Some believe that the making of the tape, ironically, is what may have led Task Force 145 to the city of Yusufiyah to begin with.
Sources also say that US dissemination of the tape–showing a fattened up Zarqawi wearing western style clothing–helped weaken his credibility, and allowed Task Force 145 easier access to information.”
For something usually associated with American politics, it sounds like even terrorists know something about throwing one of their own under the bus.
Being a fat man wearing parachute pants and white tennies will kill your street cred every time.
I hate to use the word disconect but. . .I, and a friend I talked with, cannot understand how Zarqari can look the way he does in the latest picture after two 500 lb. bombs fell on him. If you look at the pictures of the rubble you wonder too, and DailyKos this morning described him as being creamed. I am not challenging that he is dead, but we are wondering if he was already dead, kept on ice, and brought out for a rainy day to divert attention from the stock market losses, the marriage protection loss, etc.
I’ve got to add my EPU’able voice to the doubters. This report, whether true or not, is a non-event in terms of the Iraq civil war. The media and even the blogs are making a big deal of the “death” of the evil mastermind who has single-handedly kept the US pinned down in the Middle East for years–really.
Yes, Bridgehome! I am wondering the same thing.
Here’s the video of the raid:
http://www.ogrish.com/archives....._2006.html
Now someone is going to tell me an intact body came out of that?
Suuuure.
I … cannot understand how Zarqari can look the way he does in the latest picture after two 500 lb. bombs fell on him.
Moisturizer!!! Industrial strength moisturizer, SPF 500 . . .
Hey, Jane or Christy,
If you see this, I’m having difficulty logging in. WordPress won’t accept my username.
Still, it’s better than Blogger. *mutters expletives under her breath*
Hi watertiger– we’re over here:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....-a-patriot…sell/
Lotus 142,
Sorry but I logged off straight away. It wasn’t Cointreau but me, Griffon, who made the statement that Nick Berg was already dead when beheaded.
The source is myself. I have seen a man beheaded (close up!) and there is blood everywhere. It comes out of the neck like water from a garden hose. That didn’t happen with Nick Berg. Remembering it was why I logged off.
“Muzzy says:
June 8th, 2006 at 3:15 pm”
Watch your mouth!
-Joey Buttafuoco
The thing I find most interesting is the photo of this monster-man clean-shaven in his western garb. I imagine his business shirt to be short sleeved, like Homer Simpson’s; with a pocket protector, and Haggar slacks. He looked so damned normal.
Glen Beck was campaigning today on wingnut radio, to have him wrapped in a bacon shroud, with a ham hat and buried in a spam container.
The facist’s plan has revealled itself, in part, to dehumanize Mexican-Americans, poor immigrants and muslims in order to to race-bate american biggots into a massive, frothy vote turn-out.
al-Zaqari is a racist boogey man.
The network coverage is like watching the making of a legend. I noticed that as the day wore on, his deeds kept getting bigger and badder.
Gather around children and I will sing you the ballad of al-Zarqawi.
Just the thing a new mayter needs.
GSD -Nothing against a paunchy man who wears parachute pants and white tennies, simply don’t think the muslim jihadis are ready for a seat on the style council just yet ;)
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What concerns me is that when I add a comment on the storyline about this event, I see that some very extreme opinions are saying now that “liberals” and or “democrats” are actually sad that we killed this terrorist. That is more than slightly offensive to me. But now that I have seen it over and over again, and just now heard it voiced by a caller to Ed Shultz on Air America, this looks like the latest “political line”. Who would promote such a silly idea ? What might their purpose be ? The caller said that liberals and democrats were afraid to admit that they were sad about the death of this terrorist, since it serves to support Bush. Every American supports our troops. I for one do not like the direction we are headed in, as it looks more and more like socialism and less and less like democracy. But as a Democrat… what the heck.. as an American, I am glad to see them take down a cold blooded murderer. I only wish we cared as much about our Constitution. Still.. watch for this new “front” of attacks against free thinking Americans.