FITZ!!

I’m saying Gore should run. And I’ve seen the movie. Its a knock out, politically, morally, historically. You have to see it to believe it.

aimai

FITZ, FIENGOLD, LAMONT…OH MY!!!

They are scared shitless that he will enter the race and ruin their dream candidate ( and politcal distaster ) Hillary.

GORE!

the paradigm shift seems so…….unimaginable? i guess we really do have to get past the Charlie Brown/Lucy syndrome and Carpe Diem, Wot?
We have had this and other issues handed to us on a platter and now we need some nerve and backbone.

Hello Russ, Al, Jon, Ned, John Murtha and, of course, Jane, Redd and the mighty Fitz.

Gore/Dean ‘08!

50 Ways To Dump The Dubya

It’ll be another 2 weeks before the flick hits the one Indiana movie house that scheduled to play it…

meanwhile, I check daily on the Internets for a “pre-release” …

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Pachacutec,

Is there an echo in here?!! I been beatin’ Gore’s drum for over a year. I wanned ‘im ta run in ‘04. He’s not tainted by an Iraq war vote, he’s got a national political base that cuts large wedges in the Rove’s coalition, he’s from the south and he ken hit the grounbd runnin’ in terms of puttin an effective administration tagether, especially with a democratic congress.

How about this scenario: Democrats take both houses of congress, Fitz delivers treason indictments, Cheney resigns, Bush is impeachedand convicted, Pelosi ascends and immediately nominates Gore in the empty VP spot and resigns. Gore then has 10 years insted of eight ta put the world back together.

KEEP THE FAITH AND STOP SHOOTIN’ YER BUDDIES!!!

seems that most of the blogroots (at this point) would support a Gore/Feingold ticket. or the other way around.

i know i would!

#4 Couldn’t agree more. Hilary is NOT the Dem. dream candidate the MSM is making her out to be for what reason again?…….hmmmmm.
She is the Rethug dream candidate.

Al Gore- the once and future President!

sign me up for the Gore Corps

Dream Ticket: Gore/Edwards.

I love Feingold, but I want him in the senate. [Hillary? She can stay in the senate for a nice long career; consider it payback to the Clintons for the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and NAFTA.]

I blogged a while ago about why we need Gore for Prez. In a soundbite, it’s because we are desperate for a boy scout.

Al Gore trained his whole life to be president. He didn’t take the path animated by greed for money or power but rather by a quaint, old-fashioned notion of service. Hard work (without comment or complaint).

I wouldn’t blame him if he were disgusted by The American People and decided to enjoy the nice life he’s got going for himself now. But if he decides to run, I will do everything I can to help him win.

The movie’s finest moment is when Gore crashes a nuclear submarine through the polar ice cap to test its thickness. In other highlights, our hero flies to the icy cliffs of Antarctica; makes friends with Carl Sagan; and rides a hydraulic lift while shooting a laser. Top that George Bush!

Dream ticket:

Al Gore for President
Bill Clinton for VP

Feingold or Wes Clark would make great VP’s also.

But a ticket reincarnating the Gore/Clinton team that was so successful in the 90’s would be an absolute knockout.

momigo 15
…and rides a hydraulic lift while shooting a laser. Top that George Bush!

here ya go

Gore HAS to run. I swear I have never felt that way about any single Presidential candidate before, including Al himself.

He has to run because he can win. He has the reflected glory of the Clinton-Gore era of peace and prosperity, without the personal, erm, connection to Bill and his shadow that hangs over Hillary. He is from the South. He is seasoned. He is NOT a current Senator and can run as an outsider with the luxury of also knowing the ropes. He can raise more money with more alacrity and fewer compromises than anyone in the potential field and he can galvanize the base quicker than anyone except perhaps Feingold. (I LOVE Russ, but I don’t see him as a 50 state candidate; Gore is.)

He beat Bush when Bush was cool. He can beat McCain. He can beat Allen (the likely nominee, IMHO). He can beat Guliani. He can beat Frist. (OK, Pepe LePeu can beat Frist, but still…)

He should run because he is right, as Pach has shown. he is the best person for the job.

Will he? Yes. It is his duty. He is a veteran. His country calls. He must.

Saw it last weekend, and highly recommend it. If you’re on the fence about the validity of global warmimg concerns (as I was), you certainly will understand how very real and very dangerous it is after you leave the theater.

The film opens in Scottsdale on Friday. I just bought my ticket for the first showing.

Al Gore for president (but would he only get one term since he was elected in 2000?)

Wes Clark for VP ( He has the credibility to extract us from Iraq. I wish he’d extract himself from FOX’s payroll).

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments

Rushton,

Ditto
Ditto
Ditto

Close the damn link.

Thank you. Now where was I?

I’ve seen the documentary. It’s definitely worth seeing. It’s not very harsh on Bush et al, except to the extent that any laying out of facts is harsh on them.

Me, I’d vote for Gore, but I’d actually rather that someone else ran for Pres while promising to put Gore in a cabinet-level postition responsible for overseeing an Apollo Alliance-style program. (And promise to fill other high-level positions with people who are knowledgable and passionate about related fields, rather than well-connected cronies.)

If he does run and he does win, the Republicans are going to be damn sorry they let all of the power of government go to the executive branch. Not that Gore would abuse it, but any Republican argument against his actions will fall flat. On the other hand, Republican arguments fall flat now, and it doesn’t seem to matter to the media.

FRank: what’s going on?

close link – sorry, was that me?

What’s with the pink banner on my comment 23? (this is a test to see if it happens again from this computer)

I preferred the evil mirror-universe Gore, y’know, the one with the beard.

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Fiengold needs ta be in the Senate to take over as leader from Harry Balless. Hillary stays in the senate and keeps the corporatist wing in the party insted of breakin off to a “third way” movement. Spitzer leverages the NY governorship into Schumer’s seat and Pellosi pumps some political iron and gives Rahm Emmanuel a vasectomy. In the meantime, President Gore and Vice President Schweitzer save the world.

How’s that for a script…think Jane could that one into production?

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THERE’S A LOTTA FIGHT LEFT IN THE BASTARDS!!

I think it was momigo who did it. My browser is still doing all kinds of weird stuff. I have to open a new window just to submit a comment, and I keep getting punted to another site. Grrrr.

Anyway, I think that one big thing that will influence Gore’s decision to run will be, of course, the weather. If we have another bad hurricane season or some such, he’s in. If this winter, or the next, are unusually cold, he’s out. And no, I don’t mean that I don’t believe in global warming. But global warming is a slow process, and you can still have cold years. The average American will see another nasty hurricane season as proof of the harmful effects of global warming, and they will see a cold snap as proof against it. It’s totally unscientific, but that’s how most people think.

Norske 32, I like the way you think!

Gore evokes enmity and fear on the right because he does have an intimidating intellect and profundity of political vision which, together, put to shame everyone of their contemporary heroes including the dumb Boy King whom they adore.

Moreover, the pundits in the traditional media simply cannot handle the obviously extensive base of knowledge and experience that Grove embodies, unlike the run-of-the-mill politicians who give them comfort and security in their ignorance. And so, out of a sense of inferiority, they treat him as a laughing stock by invention and innuendo.

can we frame the debate on global warming such that:

– conservation is patriotic, brave and good for the country and the soul and the earth
– energy profligacy squanders our future, hurts the earth, and makes us dependent on the people on the planet who we are fighting in an endless war right now

for starters …

i have to wait 8 more days before it opens here in connecticut.

“heaping septic mountains of flying wingnut feces” – too funny!

they’re a septical crowd

It would be so positive to hear a candidate of optimism instead of the “y’know, there’s a monster under your bed” crowd we have in office.

If he can shed the monotone and deliver the speeches theydidn’t televise (practically the vigor of a gospel minister by some accounts) well, Reagan closed the dismal 70’s with well-done delivery and a message of hope that bridged the middle.

whoever runs, a key is to convince the working and middle class R’s that they are being manipulated with no chance of the polarizing issues (fear of the other du jour – gays, aliens etc.) ever being definitively dealt with anyway, so why not vote for their children’s health and education and 2: we don’t need to live with this fear all the time. Vigilance yes, vigilantes no.

“%u2013 conservation is patriotic, brave and good for the country and the soul and the earth
%u2013 energy profligacy squanders our future, hurts the earth, and makes us dependent on the people on the planet who we are fighting in an endless war right now”

and spin it to the evangelical and SUV reliant crowds

Jeez — THIS is where ever’body went and lef’ pore li’l me all alone (still needing an translation from *ilson)!

HI Y’ALL! That was weird.

(now to read post & comments)

if gore picks feingold i’ll vote for him but if he picks that clown edwards i’ll vote for the marijuana party’s candidate

edwards thinks unions create jobs — the dumb schmuck equates entrepreneurs with large corporations that downsize & outsource — he’s so busy being a legal asswipe that he doesn’t see the need to encourage entrepreneurs — america has become a country where it’s hard to work one’s way up: strange as it sounds, europeans & asians enjoy more upward mobility than americans do — that’s because edwards & his fellow shysters make certain that no entrepreneur goes unpunished

OfT Bolton Calls on Annan to Repudiate Aide’s Remarks
By WARREN HOGE
From the NYT’s, Published: June 7, 2006
UNITED NATIONS, June 7 – John R. Bolton, the American ambassador to the United Nations, called on Secretary General Kofi Annan today to repudiate “personally and publicly” critical remarks his top official made about the United States, but Mr. Annan turned aside the challenge.
Calling the matter “very, very grave,” Mr. Bolton said he made the demand in a morning phone call in which he told the secretary general, “I’ve known you since 1989, and I’m telling you this is the worst mistake by a senior U.N. official that I have seen in that entire time.”
The official, Mark Malloch Brown, the deputy secretary general, assailed the United States in a speech Tuesday for withholding support from the United Nations, encouraging its harshest detractors and undermining an institution he said Washington needed more than it would admit.
“The prevailing practice of seeking to use the U.N. almost by stealth as a diplomatic tool while failing to stand up for it against its domestic critics is simply not sustainable,” Mr. Malloch Brown said. “You will lose the U.N. one way or another.”
Responding to Mr. Bolton today, Mr. Annan’s spokesman, Stphane Dujarric, said: “The secretary general stands by the deputy secretary general and agrees with the thrust of the speech. This is not a criticism of the United States, it is call for greater U.S. involvement in the U.N.”
The showdown was provoked when Mr. Malloch Brown said in his speech that although the United States was constructively engaged with the United Nations in many areas, the American public was shielded from knowledge of it by Washington’s tolerance of what he called “too much unchecked U.N.-bashing and stereotyping.”
It is highly unusual for a United Nations official to single out an individual country for criticism,
“Much of the public discourse that reaches the U.S. heartland has been largely abandoned to its loudest detractors such as Rush Limbaugh and Fox News,” Mr. Malloch Brown said….”
IMHO Malloch Brown got it exactly right.

i saw an Inconvenient Truth over the weekend at the Sunshine Theatre, where a new show began every half hour. The audience applauded at the end. I plan on buying the dvd as soon as it is released, and I have been telling EVERYONE to go see it. It is the perfect anti-dote to Ann, the beast of 666’s latest rantings about librul “pagans and druids” and the notion that good Christians should burn as much carbon as they possibly can.

Frank #37
What are you saying that I did? I’m confused…

Frank Probst says:
June 7th, 2006 at 1:36 pm @33

I don’t think that those of us stuck in the middle of the country will see it that way. It’s the 7th of June and the temp is 85F. It’s too early in the year to be that warm (that’s a late June, early July temp for around here). Yet, this past December (around the 15th-ish) it was -20F. We’ve had an actual 100 degree temp swing in less than 6 months. It just isn’t *right*. Tornado season came about a month early as well this year (and stayed late last year).

Something is wrong with the weather. We haven’t had a true winter in a very long time and are due a serious reality check. That -20 in December is not out of the ordinary, while a bit chilly, it’s within the normal range. I’m thinking of temps below zero long enough that 0F feels downright balmy. (there was one winter where -15F one day felt really warm after 3 days at 30 below.)

wxyz 16 –
This came up at times during the 2004 election, but it can’t happen. To be the VP you have to be qualified to be Pres., which Bill isn’t.
This, of course, assumes we still have a Constitution in 2008.

I haven’t pledged to see the movie. Wasting gas and pouring out the CO2 to drive 160 mile to Denver for a movie about global warming seems hypocritical to me.

and who was it that Gore picked for his VP?
and who didn’t carry HIS OWN STATE in 2000?
and who ran a disastrous campaign in 2000?
and who was it that rolled over when James Baker and the texas mafia showed up in Florida????

Gore had his chance and he wasted it. He is not the democratic Reagan. sorry.

I love Al Gore and have snail mailed him a couple of times, once after he said he wasn’t jumping into the fray in ‘04 to tell him he should stay in the public eye, since I found his speeches optimistic when I otherwise feel pessimistic about the American Way of Life. The last time was recently to say, “Hi, I think you should run!”

I love that he’s an intellectual, and the glorifying of stupidity is making life worse as anyone can see. I bet he’d be a shoe-in. He has made lots of speeches that could be put on cheap DVDs and distributed during a campaign; even if the media skewers him as they are wont to do, people who don’t know that much about him (but are newly curious because his movie shows he’s not the guy they thought he was), they could see him in action. And we could hear about his trip to New Orleans to help people. I love that guy.

oh NOrske @ 9 -

I see now my fevered progressiove dreams were not fevered enough – 10 years of Al Gore ?!?! I cry for happy

dviper, you’ll get the rose color until you refresh the page (dunno why, but I like it).

undercoverdick, use of the word “shyster” is a RILL quick way to lose all cred around here, bro.

Movie was great. I thought I knew this stuff having read the entire New Yorker series but it was still an eye opener.

You can’t help like this Al Gore too, when you see the movie.

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Rusty,

Either you are a troll or yer stuck somewhere back in November of 2000. The Nazi coup has educated all of us – what we AND Al Gore have learned since 2000 has created the opportunity for a real progressive movement in this country and one which can put some controlls back on corporate political power.

KEEP THE FAITH AND MAKE EVERY SHOT COUNT!!

Howabout a Gore – Clinton ticket? W/ the Big Dog running the UN?

Frank Probst #33:

But global warming is a slow process, and you can still have cold years. The average American will see another nasty hurricane season as proof of the harmful effects of global warming, and they will see a cold snap as proof against it. It’s totally unscientific, but that’s how most people think.

How ’bout this? I was visiting SF last year, driving w/friends down the Embarcadero. Looking over, you can see the bay waters so close up to the shore. I got this mental vision of the waters gradually rising enough so that one day, suddenly, there appeared, at high tide, this waferthin sheen of water on the street. And it was back the next day, and the next, etc. Imagine the reaction.

Frank 33: Global warming can also result in localized cold phenomena, and extreme weather events of many kinds.

As the old saw goes: Everybody talks about the weather and that gives us daily opportunities to talk about global warming. I talk to everyone who mentions the weather about climate change…the bus driver…the mail carrier…the folks at the Grange Coop…my neighbors….

“Warm day.” Sure is. Part of that global warming and climate change Al Gore has warned us about for years.

“Lot of rain for this time of year.” Yeah. Must be the change in precipitation patterns that accompany global warming. I wish people had listened to Al Gore a long time ago.

“Freak hailstorm!” I know. And we can expect more extreme weather events like that with global warming. Did you see Al Gore’s movie? Really made me worry how our orchard crops are going to do. Could be a real blow to our local economy. Thank goodness we still have a little time to do something about it. Do you want to borrow my copy of Al Gore’s book?

Everybody talks about the weather, but Al Gore does something about it.

I would always admired Gore and would love him as President – not only does he care deeply about the right things and have integrity, but he’s a very experienced pol who would bring a great staff to the WH and get things done if he had a Dem House or Senate (as opposed to say, Jimmy Crater who was over his head dealing with the Beltway establishment from the outset).

Big downside is the Kool Kidz of the mainstream media absolutely LOATHE him, and their corporate masters will encourage them to take him down as Gore is very definitely not under their control. IMHO he has to find a way to turn that around with some sort of Clark Kent to Superman moment to capture the public imagination.

Any ideas, anyone….?

Norske – i assure you that I am not a troll and I am not stuck in 2000.

rcauthen – fortunately, you are incorrect. Clinton can run as VP. Here’s a link to the analysis:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/L…..ton.08.01/

The Constitution permits Clinton to be elected vice-president, and if necessary to ascend for a third time to the presidency as careful attention to the language of the 12th and 22nd Amendments shows.

The 12th Amendment would allow a Clinton vice-presidency. Its language only bars from the vice-presidency those persons who are “ineligible to the office” of President. Clinton is not ineligible to the office of president, however. He is only disqualified (by the 22nd Amendment) from being elected to that office.

This is no mere semantic distinction. Article II of the Constitution carefully defines exactly who is “eligible to the Office of President”: anyone who is a natural born citizen, at least 35 years old, and has been a U.S. resident for at least 14 years.

For example, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is ineligible for the office of president because she is a naturalized, rather than a natural born, citizen. Accordingly, the 12th Amendment renders her ineligible to the office of vice-president as well.

But Bill Clinton can serve as vice president, because the 22nd Amendment’s prohibition on running for a third presidential term is not a condition of the office of president.

The 22nd Amendment states: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person [who has served more than half a term] shall be elected to the office of the president more than once.”

The language is quite clear. It places no limits whatsoever on how many terms someone may serve as president, only how many times he can be elected.

In other words, the 22nd Amendment does not set conditions on what the 12th Amendment calls eligibility to the office of president. Anyone who is born here and has lived here for 14 years becomes eligible to be president on his or her 35th birthday and is then so eligible forever.

maybe change is coming–

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/…..balwarming

We have a saying here in the Pacific Northwest;
if you don’t like the weather,Wait ten minutes.

Often this can be a true statement.The winters have been out of whack here for a number of years already.

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Tweety and Mehlman!

Blood is pouring from my eyes/ears!!!

quick Urban Pirate– pressure! Clench your eyes shut, put your fingers in your ears and scream la-la-la-la-la til it’s over!

undercoverdick @ 43,

Of course, another way to look at that is lawyers like Edwards are to sole means, sans meaningful regulation and oversight, for the citizen to bring a corporation to justice.

I’m not anti-business – I’ve worked for a great outfit in my life. I am for the regulation and oversight, beacuse I’ve worked for a real crappy one, too.

A good outfit doesn’t fear reasonable regulation, because they are performing at a higher standard anyway.

A sorry outfit cuts every corner they can get away with.

“the Republican party is the Big Tent party” – Ken Mehlman! (just now on Hardball)

lol

Old Gardener, that’s also my understanding of the long-term effects of global warming: that it will lead to more extreme temperatures on both ends.

I read one prediction – can’t remember where now, but it was a creditable source – that said if things continue as they are, only the center of the planet – i.e., ten or fifteen degrees on either side of the Equator – will be habitable. Everything north and south of that will be too cold, and most of it will be covered in ice. And the tiny habitable strip that’s left will be hit by frequent storms so violent they make Katrina look like a gentle spring shower.

OT — Ohio is a mess, per the last post. We need help. Believe me, a LOT of people care about the future of this state. We are running as fast as we can and getting nowhere. Tomorrow morning, Ted Strickland, the Democratic candidate for Governor, is holding a press conference. As you know, Kenneth Blackwell, the Ohio Secretary of State, runs our elections, and at the same time is running for Ohio Governor as a Republican. Strickland is expected to state that Blackwell should hand over responsibility for running the election as long as he is a candidate. Can anyone out there spread the word about this? I realize the MSM sucks, but maybe we can find one honest journalist willing to cover this story? Thanks for letting me comment OT.

What: Strickland Press Conference

When: Thursday, June 8, 10 am

Where: King Arts Complex, 867 Mt. Vernon Avenue, Columbus, 43203

I’ve seen the film. I pledge to buy the book and DVD to some relatives.

Why does everyone want Gore to run for President? You want a nice daddy figure or a philosopher king? I think he can achieve more by working outside of that particular straight-jacket. There *are* other important jobs.

Have the next (Democratic) president make him the US ambassador to the Rest Of The World (with a portfolio of “Hey, we’re sorry about the last 8 years”), or UN, or head of IMF or something.

Meanwhile, let’s make him a head of a large energized environmental movement. “A” head, not “the” head.

Read Tim Flannery’s depressing, frightening book “The Weather Makers” if you want corroboration of Gore on global warming. Critics are doing the ad hominem thing to Gore, but Flannery has major dispassionate scientific cred, and his book oughta scare the crap out of everyone. If we don’t start taking concerted measures, people 50-100 years from now will be in a literal world of hurt.

I was fortunate enough to see Gore give his presentation (essentially the movie is a concert video of it with some juiced up production values) live during the ‘04 election cycle. I left the room, with many oof my friends, wondering where he was hiding his true self in ‘00. He was terrific. For now I think he is playing his cards exactly right. Let the bedwetters wet their beds…they will end up with diaper rash. When nomination time comes closer he will have plenty of time to make a well grounded decision.

Dear Pachacutec:

I loved your ‘ten years of Gore’ post so much, I’d ask you to marry me, but I believe you’ve indicated that you’re already ‘taken.’ Too bad, ‘coz we could have even done it legally in my home and native Canada. Oh well. [Do you have a like-minded brother who’s available?]

I have also thought that Gore is the best Dem for ‘08. Your list includes many of the political reasons why he should be the candidate; my reasons for wanting him to be the next president are more connected to moral and emotional aspects. There have so many moments in the last 6 years that I have been so disheartened, depressed and sickened by the kind of bullying, divisive, smearing and generally immoral behavior elevated to new levels of acceptability by this administration, that I’ve come to think that only a Gore administration would have a chance to bring significant healing.

God, I hope you and I get our wish.

Lotus: “Aum Mene Pedme Hum” is the ubiquitous Tibetan prayer : Hail to the Flower of the Lotus Blossom. That’s what’s written on Tibetan prayer wheels. In 1968 I placed a digital version on the University’s 20 Megabyte spinning memory drum…

AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I changed the channel.

CAME BACK TO TONY PERKINS!! (and a club for growth weenie)

Must. not. lose. it.

I tell ya. Thank god for the “blogs”. Remember when all we had was this shit, day in and day out?

Namaaste, *ilson. Blessed is the lotus that resides within.

angie 65

quick Urban Pirate – pressure! Clench your eyes shut, put your fingers in your ears and scream la-la-la-la-la til it’s over!

phewwww…that was a close one. good thing we have a medical professional on duty at FDL!

“We’re not going to stop until marriage between a man and a woman is protected,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.
_____

How is it not now “protected”? HOW does the “marriage” of a gay or lesbian couple have ANY effect on a hetero marriage?

I know a gay couple, dude that works for my wife, and his partner. They been together as long as we’ve known them, many years. Were they to “marry” my life would not change one iota.

I hate this bigoted bullshit.

They’re scared of Gore because;

He’d tell the DLC, Shrum, et al, to go f*&% themselves.

He’d expect Dems in office to actually deliver, instead of clutching their pearls and chanting woe-is-me, it’s-not-our-fault.

I’m sorry, but “pledging” to see a movie is just retarded. I might see it, but I’m not going to pledge to see it.

editor @ 69

was trying to find some polling on the governor’s race – how is Strickland polling against Blackwell ? and how much, if any support is he getting from Natl Dems ?

Gore never got a fair shake.

Dean never got a fair shake.

Busby never got a fair shake.

Notice a pattern? Why is it only Dems get assinated/die in plane crashes?

*sigh* Al Gore is sooooo sexy.

btw “Lotus” checkout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus-Eaters

Ooo, ‘at’s beautiful, *ilson.

The land of the lotus-eaters (’round there by Greece way) be my territory. Us lotus-eaters, we fergit stuff. See? I done already fergot my -lander . . . (Think I may a-leff hit in thet l’eau tousse last night. Boy, was thet stuff hard to drift away to sleep on, uh-huh. I gotta ask thet punaise teach me the trick a-thet.

Alrighty now, thank yew an’ carry on . . .

undercoverdick (#43): you’re way off base about edwards. i don’t know where you got all of that but you need to go back to school and do some real research. edwards isn’t my first pick, in fact, feingold is, and i’m cool with al as well. edwards is definitely for the little guy.

Pach, need some corroboration for global warming?

Let’s activate the way back machine and go visit Jim Hansen again

Owe you a Coke, *ilson.

fwiw, Al Gore was always the DLC candidate par excellance

anyone else having trouble with loading Raw Story ?

This also goes to what I’ve always said about Michael Moore – his films are so smug and conceited that it greatly reduces their impact to little more than preaching to the choir. He need to take some lessons.

cbl, no, but I’m having a helluva time loading FDL.

Thanks Angie. Re-watched John Stewart last night w/ Bill Bennett. Better now. That was close.

See Tweety blast Busby for “encouraging illegals to vote”? They are all so full of shit.

Oh, BTW, Dow closes at 10930. Another GOP meme fails the “reality test”

We’re all sooooo fucked.

heh– punaise, my little sister taught me that years ago and it works for all things unpleasant like rethugs on teevee! I’ve had to use it a lot these long chimp years.

Righty: I’m stupid and say the stupidest things but it’s okay because I believe in God. If you say my position on x is stupid it’s because you’re a God-hating liberal.

DLC: Eek.

Lieberman: Amen.

Hillary: Let’s bomb Iraq again.

Gore: You’re wrong. Here’s what’s right and here’s what I think we should do.

Righty poops pants. QED.

never mind, good ol Hooterville High Speed strikes again !

The movie starts here Friday. I went to see Thank You For Smoking this weekend and the trailer ran the just before Smoking. People are talking and eating during the trailers but as the Gore preview unfolds I notice there’s suddenly no noise in the theatre. Looking around I see everyone in the place, and it was well attended, not just focused on the screen, but leaning forward. As the preview ended, there was silence, then a audible exhale, and people talking to each other about it. Seemed not just positive, but potentially paradigm shattering.

Well, you know that the Rapture is due any day now so it really doesn’t MATTER about global warming. Global warming? wait ’til GOD sees all you heathen libruls roasting in HELL. Then you’ll beg for a little Global Warming. it’ll be quite a relief, it will.

Gack! Le loup-garou & the UN moustache!

No way I’m unmuting this teevy!

cbl @ 81

I know of no polls on the Ohio Governor’s race(but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist). If I can find out, even much later, I will comment.

Thanks for asking.

Norske: I think Rusty @ 50 was responding to my post, and I think has a point. While we would love Gore, there’s a lot the slime machine would (unjustly) throw at him and a lot of folks who’ll buy the crap. You think Kerry got it rough? They’d also have a field day with Gore’s childhood and conveniently forget W’s. Suddenly the heir to a political and wealthy family would become a liability.

Rusty – I guess my point was mainly about a message of optimism going a long way whoever runs and I’d really like to see one that could send that and be one with a plan (and knows what a contingency plan is).

I think we as a country (ok a whole lot of us) have lost all power of critical, analytical thought and we’ve reached a level of cynicism that we consciously don’t really care what the candidate says or if they have substance to back it up as long as it’s what we want to hear, not what we need to.

Urban Pirate @ 69

do we really know Patsy Cline was a democrat?

laurie at 36

Thank you for the tidy little sentence I will repeat to my family again and again.

Here’s the anti-Gore campaign, from the right:

Science is for fags. Gore is a fag. Gore is a lunatic extremist. Fuck the fags and Mexicans. America, Fuck-yeah.

Here’s my dream team:

President- Al Gore
VP – Russ Feingold
Secretary of State- Bill Clinton
Secretary of Defense – Wesley Clark
Secretary of the Interior – Robert Kennedy, Jr.
Secretary of Labor – John Edwards
Attorney General – Patrick Fitzgerald

The Republican Party is a big tent. It is a three ring fucking circus.

-GSD

pach @ 104

Well, that about settles it.

OT – I’m no fan-o-Hillary, but at least she’s defending her constituents: (cnn.com)

Clinton slams Coulter’s ‘vicious’ put-down of some 9/11 widows

WASHINGTON (AP) — New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton lashed out at Ann Coulter for a “vicious, mean-spirited attack” on a group of outspoken 9/11 widows, whom the right-wing television pundit described as “self-obsessed” and enjoying their husbands’ deaths.

…

“Perhaps her book should have been called ‘Heartless,”‘ the senator said.

“I know a lot of the widows and family members who lost loved ones on 9/11. They never wanted to be a member of a group that is defined by the tragedy of what happened.”

The New York Democrat and former first lady said she found it “unimaginable that anyone in the public eye could launch a vicious, mean-spirited attack on people whom I’ve known over the last four and a half years to be concerned deeply about the safety and security of our country.”

The senator spoke after delivering a speech on protecting children from exposure to sex- and violence-saturated media.

oregon dave- can you check to see if the Safari problem has been fixed?

Ofg, that sounded like one beautiful wedding. Long happiness to all!

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
- Mohandas K. Gandhi

Thanks lotus!

Spector is the lead chameleon in the Big Tent. Punk.

As well she might, punaise!

AC has undoubtedly ruined herself across the board, this time. I swear, hard to tell which the whitecoats will snag first, AC or A.Bag.

Good to see everyone railing against Coulter, except thats exactly what she wants. Attention.

Why doesn’t Clinton take the opportunity to hang her around the Republican Party’s neck?

We know tweety would never say the obvious, but Clinton should have, I think.

Republican Mouthpiece Ann Coulter.

Speaking of – Anybody catch Buchanan the other day – “we’re not racist, we just was a mono-cultural society” ?!?!

Pach 104…

LOL!!!

BTW, I just figured out I had to switch from Safari to Firefox to break into this place. The open tag is still there in Safari, which makes it impossible to post anything. If I didn’t know better, I’d think it’s almost a good spam tactic to get everyone to momigo@#10’s web site. If you’re going to use freakin tags, turn them off.

*ilson -

You put a primordial ‘Eastern Egg’ on the Uni’s plattter/disk?
Elegant hack.

I also want to commend my two N.H. Republican Senators for voting against the gay marriage fraud.

Not often I agree with Judd Gregg–he changed his vote from last time—perhaps because of the states newer, bluer trends…

Also John Sununu too.

I still want them defeated, but credit where credit is due. Nice job.

-GSD

Pach @ 104 – OMG, you’re killing me!

OT (as usual) Just a head’s up. I’ve decided I’ve had enough of Dobbs. Can’t take any more of this hate/fear mongering.

Anyway, came across BBC world news on PBS (Ny 13). Didnt realize it was on opposite Dobbs. Pretty thoughtfully done, I think. Check it out if you’re fed up like me, and would like somewhat intelligently done news stories rather than pundits arguing their paid positions. A breath of fresh air so far.

Are you guys f’ing crazy? The whole reason that Bush is President right now is that GORE gave up the election, which he rightfully won! How could anyone have any faith in him after that at all? He won the damn election, and he wouldn’t even fight for his right to be president!!

lotus 114

hard to tell which the whitecoats will snag first, AC or A.Bag.

little help please / out of the loop: A. Bag.?

(PS lotus, glad to see on a previous thread that you share my affinity for d r i f t g l a s s – when he’s “on” he’s good))

A.Bag > Alligator Bag > Katherine Harris

Even when he’s off, punaise, I ooo&wow over driftglass!

A. Bag – but of course…duh

merci

Sometimes hafta check to see if I’ve still got my eyebrows after reading him, though.

yeah, he’s had a few glorious scorching rants

I hope Katharine Harris doesn’t get eaten by an alligator before the election. Her or her guide dog.

Bayareagirl

Mine , too.

Just back from the world’s longest drive through traffic and have to leave for a meeting, but Helen Thomas is THE hippest person. I actually took notes of what she had to say today. Will write later. Trying to catch up on comments now before I have to go to DFA.

GSD @ 119– seems like they actually saw their license plates again on the break…

Live Free or Die.

Voting against the preznit for once– yesssssssss.

…the guide dog she regrets she can’t sleep with

Don’t need to see the movie. I’ve been well aware of Global Warming and it’s difficulties for a couple of decades. But I’m very glad to here Gore is looking and sounding like the person he really is instead of the stilted character he appeared to be. He’s smart, savvy and been through the Rovian fires once already.

Of course, Rover may be in prison for the next presidential election campaign, but I hear they may still let him use the pay phone.

new thread

pach, 104,

I hope the DNC has hired you already.

(on his website email form seconds ago)
_____

Senator Ensign,

Do you disavow this week’s egregiously crude disparaging remarks about the 9/11 widows made by “conservative pundit” author Ann Coulter on the NBC Today Show.

If you do not respond I will take it that you support her extreme and vulgar views, and will spread that to every available media outlet accordingly.

Dream Ticket 2008–

Pres: Gore

VP: Feingold

State: Clark

Defense: Shinseki

AG: Edwards (or Fitz)

Interior: Kerry (Interior was Abramoff Central and already was fouling its nest with the Indian Trust Fund mess…it needs some major heavy hitting remediation or could by itself bring down the next administration). 2nd choice: Napolitano

1st SCOTUS opening: Rep. John Lewis

2nd SCOTUS opening: Jack Danforth (securing the moderate political center that the GOP is deserting with hell-bent abandon).

Gore ‘08!

JA
Asheville, NC

Gore has positioned himself now as an outsider… even though he has more inside gov experience than the whole lot of them put together.

This allows him to really get passed the beltway handlers and insiders and reach the people and shake up the whole system. If a dean like netroots thing finances his campaign and he can finally become pres with a democratic congress perhaps we can get public finance, single payer health care… and break up the media and the telcos.

But with the corporations let someone with so much sense and charisma chip away at their pysramid scheme of siphoning money off the people? Will the military accept a severe downsizing?

I doubt it… if it looks like the poeple will come first… and our environment… Gore will be joining JFK, MKL, RFK, MalcolmX and John Lennon as people with imagination and vision who were a threat to the “system”.

We are almost assured of medicrity and more of the same… How awful and depressing.

bayareagirl @105–

Yeah…Kennedy would be an inspired choice at Interior…why didn’t I think of that?

JA

The Captain @ 122

Gore “gave up” as you say when the whole of the known world, led by the MSM, commenced to clamor that the sanctity of the Constitutional process was being defiled by continuing the contest. I thought then and I think now that Gore did a very classy thing. He looked at the stacked deck and gracefully left the game. Have you heard what he says now about Bush. NOBODY knew he could be this bad then.

Gore – Feingold 2008

pach @ 104 – for Jeebus’ sake, I am SO TIRED of that mindset. I want my freakin country back. Only this time, I want smarter fellow citizens.

I like Al Gore too. When people saw a “stiff” unemotional person, I saw an academic. When people saw too long of a kiss, I saw someone who had been told he was stiff for so long, he tried to show he had emotions.

During the debates, when the news media reported that Gore was arrogant for having sighed over Bush’s ignorance, I was in a room full of people watching the debate and everybody was exasperated by Bush’s remarks. As far as arrogance goes, a monkey could feel arrogant around George W. Bush. The only problem I saw that he had was that his handlers tried to remake him and his lack of comfort with the “new” Gore was painful to watch.

There are some people who might argue that Al Gore conceded too quickly; but I remember, very well, those terrible days between November 7th and December 12th. The news media, noise machine, along with deliberately selling confusion, complained that it was unpatriotic for Gore to stand in the way of Bush’s presumed victory. After twenty-five years of service to his country, the one soft spot Al Gore had was his patriotism. It gave the news media and republicans a tool to play upon.

Gore’s desire to do the right thing for his country left him with no other alternative, but to step down. He felt it was his duty. Meanwhile George W. Bush kept his deceitful mouth shut while his unethical legal team dismantled the people’s right to a fair election and made a mockery of democracy. This was the second major crime after the fraudulent election.

The incoming Bush administration exhibited a criminal consciousness, and a lack of integrity, that disturbed many people. The republican leadership escaped punishment for their crimes; therefore, they perceived their, newly stolen, responsibilities as license to steal.

It is important to remember that one man cannot fix the problems facing this nation. As long as the system of bribery and patronage prevails the entire system is broken. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up so that crimes of the type we have witnessed do not so perversely change our government again. Dump the incumbents; they are a travesty to free elections and to good government, because at least that is a start.

Ok, think about it people…I started this meme over on C&L, but I think the only truly unbeatable ticket is the symmetry of a Gore/Clinton ticket (people, nature, even reptiles can’t resist the power of symmetry.) If you really, truely think that the GOP is shitting their pants at the thought of a Gore nomination/draft, then imagine their overreaction to a Gore-top/Clinton-bottom ticket.

Hillary would be much less threatening, even to the left wing, as # 2. She could cover the center right and the northeast, and he could cover the south and the left/enviros. And everything inbetween. The only thing left for the GOP would be the 29 to 39 % of what’s left of the Republican base.

Think about it people.

Remember, you heard it here second.

Mudkitty, it might fly, if Hillary could get her tongue out of george bush and the petro-turds, asses. At the rate she’s going, she’s becoming anathema to the progressing wing of the democrats. I mean, a lot of them/us are flat starting to hate her, as she “triangulates” with the assholes that savaged her family and dragged the country through years of the satanic semen witch-hunt.

WTF is she thinking? Is she stupid enough to believe that the she’ll pick up enough conservative votes from the DEMOCRATS who support bush and his shitmire, to offset what she’s losing from the party progressives?

If so, she’s too damn stupid to be on the ticket, at either end.

But Al, if he gets some fire in his belly, and is willing to speak the truth to the american people, about how we are just fucked, because of what bush has done to us, just might deserve another shot at it.

My 2c: I’ll be watching him, for some honest and up-front outrage.

We need a strong intelligent leader – pure and simple. Who better than Gore to lead us out of this terrible mess. Who better than Gore to tell the truth and seek the best answer regardless of where or from whom it comes from. I can see Gore as our olive branch of a sort to the rest of the world.

No doubt the right would pull out all the stops. Gore has been through hell and has come out the other side. They can’t hurt him without hurting themselves.

I’d also like to throw that NSA bs “if you haven’t done anything wrong, there’s nothing to worry about” back in the repugs face when they whip up a frenzy about a dems-controlled house or senate impeaching bush.

Sadly, this Rovian tactic reminds me of that scene in blazing saddles when black guy is about to be attacked by the white guys and in quick thinking puts his own gun to his head and threatens to kill black guy if they don’t back away. It’s really embarassing that the dems have fallen for it.

What Dem would be a better choice? Really.

Thanks for posting on Gore.

If there is any chance of an international affairs republican for the race (and there is… McCain, Condi, etc…), then what other heavyweight do the demos have to counter this besides Al Gore, at this higher executive level?

Im just askin on this.

BUT if Gore is going to lay out until a last moment overwhelming draft movement, he can also damage the chances for a viable candidate to develop through the process.

He can hold out until after the midterms, but by new year, then, fish or cut bait Al.

For me, thanks for the great speches these last 3 years. They have staked the ground for sure and you have the credentials and talent to defend these speeches over the next 3 years.

Good luck!

Allow me to be the contrarian here, but I hate this issue. H-A-T-E it. In fact, I think it represents everything that’s wrong with the progressive movement today.

Why?

It’s a political loser, that’s why.

One thing the Republicans do well is speak to human emotion. It’s almost always the worst in human emotion — fear, distrust, greed, etc. — but they still connect with their voters at a gut level.

It is impossible to connect with average voters at the gut over global warming. Can’t be done. Global warming, however real, is a conceptual thing, something we understand intellectually. Unless the zeitgeist changes into “these bastards are gonna get our children fried,” it’s just not going to swing all that many votes.

Democrats have done best when we have been unabashedly the party that cares. Republicans like to paint us as weak for caring, but at their own peril: at some point, the world becomes so cold and uncaring that the pendulum must swing back the other way. I think we’re just about at that point.

We must make sure our kids get healthcare.

We must make sure our workers get decent jobs and are treated fairly by their employers.

We must stop the Republicans from shifting the cost of government onto average working people.

The GOP doesn’t care. We do. That’s our edge. That’s how we connect. We have to use this.

Too much energy spent on abstractions leaves us looking remote and disconnected, and, for many, global warming remains exactly that: an abstraction.

Hey, *ilson!
Found some more Indiana theaters showing the movie….

6/16 Keystone Art – Indy
6/23 Glendale 12 – Indy
6/23 Showplace West – Bloomington
6/30 College 14 – Indy
6/30 Showplace 16 – Indy
6/30 Traders Point 12 – Indy
6/30 Village 17 – Indy
6/30 Coldwater 14 – Ft. Wayne
6/30 Greenwood 14 – Greenwood

Cheer up, man, the Keystone Art run starts next Friday. On a side note, I’ve always enjoyed your posts but never knew you lived in my town. Cool.
Sorry if this is redundant info to you, but your post said “the only Indiana theater showing it” and I thought I’d offer a little help.

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Ask not what Al Gore can do for you%u2026

Ask what you can do for Al Gore!!!

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JH, there is a STRONG possibility, maybe a PROBABILITY, that Iraq will be such a bloody-assed can of worms by 2007, that anyone who’s done so much as a photo-op with junior, will abut as welcome at repubilcan campaign functions as Richard Nixon’s cadaver, propped up on the stage like some REALLY elder statesman.

I mean, the “blowback” from Iraq, to use a Langley term, could be so bad, that the voters will be using a list of that 2003 enabling vote, to decide whom they want to tar and feather and run out of Washington.

BobbyG –

I just finished “The Weather Makers” last week and, as you say, it’s excellent. Apart from the overall sadness that it engendered in me at what we’re doing to this beautiful planet, my heart especially hurts at the extinctions that we’re responsible for. Gone forever, because of us. And still the skeptics think it can’t happen to us.

Gore in 2000 was just too damn smart for the average American. Cocky Joe Sixpack didn’t need no stinkin’ smarty pants…he had the biggest military and money and football. A rootin’ tootin’ cowboy like the bushliar-criminal could wipe up any ole smarty pants and keep the beer flowing without breaking a sweat.

well it hasn’t worked out like Joe Sixpack fancied. With a clown at the helm play-acting as king of the world, mighty Joe has been smacked around a bit by reality with his invincible military being ground into the dirt by a bunch of ragheads, his paycheck shriveling, and his cherished prosthetic dildo SUV becoming a bit too pricey…mighty Joe just might be having second thoughts about brains and competence (Gore) vs. bluster and buffoonery (bushliar-criminal).

Gore is looking like Mount Everest compared to the piece of shit Joe sent to play-act as president and ruin the country…a mistake even the slope-browed, slack jawed, knuckle draggin’ Joe is beginning to figure out.
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The energy lobby is furiously lying like Mike McCurry to step on Gore’s message.

In all fairness, it isn’t the entire energy industry. BP (among others) has been pretty good, for a big corporation, about recognizing GW and taking some responsibility for it. Exxon/Mobile is the big villain here. Has there been a corporation as evil as Exxon/Mobile in modern times? In any times?

Once I learn my ABC’s ( Anybody but Clinton ) I will look at Gore. Actually Gore/Vidal in 08 kida grabs me. The last empire and all that.
08 does seem a million dog years away. What about what the pissers fear most NOW?
Stuff like deep investigations, righteous accusations, where is phase 2 and etc.

I hope Gore runs, but I don’t think he needs to make any sort of decision till next summer. He needs no name recognition really except among young voters who were not politically aware in 2000. And he could stand out by raising caucus and primary money in small donations on the net — thus able to be less dependent on the PAC’s and big check writers. That could be a huge selling point in 2008.

Two news stories today that deserve attention. Salon has a Sidney Blumenthall piece about how George the Elder tried to recruit a replacement for Rumsfeld a few months back, resulting in a Father – Son spat of huge dimensions, and Junior George wrapping himself more tightly around Rumsfeld. Sidney obviously got some very inner circle sources to talk, and I would imagine that Bill Clinton might have been a source too — he is afterall now fairly thick with George the First. Apparently GHWBush recruited a 4 Star retired to take the job — and when it didn’t play out that is when the Generals all came out and went public with criticism. Interesting story that needs follow up.

The second story was on ATC on NPR. It has to do with a “save the world” trip that Kissinger recently made to Moscow. It was in the wake of Cheney’s speech blasting Putin in Vilnus, and an unfortunate encounter Condi had at the UN trying to negotiate terms for Iran where she and Bolton blew off the Russian Foreign Minister. Many details seem missing, but apparently George Senior somehow got involved, called Putin — and the upshot was Junior got on the phone and talked to Putin, and then sent Henry Kissinger to have a weekend with Putin at his Dacha. The result was the offer to Iran and a huge back-down by Condi, and a slap down of Cheney and Bolton. If true, there is much more to this story than we know now — I hope solid reporters are working it.

With both stories I am struck that these matters had to come from sources very close in to Bush himself. And good lord, Kissinger!!! It is almost as bad as digging up Nixon and sending him to see Putin.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win

– Gandhi

Exactly Gridlock – who could the GOP put up that could possibly beat a Gore/Clinton ticket? McCain? The base hates him. Frist? Jeb? The gop has run our of gas, pun intended.

HinTN – 139

Gore “gave up” as you say when the whole of the known world, led by the MSM, commenced to clamor that the sanctity of the Constitutional process was being defiled by continuing the contest. I thought then and I think now that Gore did a very classy thing. He looked at the stacked deck and gracefully left the game. Have you heard what he says now about Bush. NOBODY knew he could be this bad then.

Exactly.

Plus, what do these people who think Gore “gave up” in 2000 think he should have done once the Supreme Court voted in favor of Bush? Announce that he and anyone willing to join him would invade DC and take over the White House? I mean, really.

Ooohhh Bayareagirl #105–you’re gonna make me swoon!

Chris #148– You sound like someone who hasn’t seen this movie.

See it. SEE IT! THEN get back to us!

Thanks.

I’m so sorry, love Gandhi and all, but I’m so freaking sick of that saying it makes me scream.

Just wake me up when get to the “winning” part, please.