Comments on: Late Nite FDL: Uncle Tom’s Closet http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/ Firedoglake weblog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:31:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: TRex http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131773 TRex Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:04:42 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131773 <p>LAllen, I believe you are even closer to the mark than you realize. It’s really all about who has the money in the end.</p> LAllen, I believe you are even closer to the mark than you realize. It’s really all about who has the money in the end.

]]> By: LAllen http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131722 LAllen Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:24:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131722 <p>I think what we are seeing is a classism that permeates all of the Republican party elite about sexual matters. Gays or even heteros with active sex lives can stay in a party that is actively trying to outlaw gay sex, sex outside of marriage, birth control and abortion because those rules aren’t for the ruling elite. Those laws are only for the peasant foot soldiers of the religious right. The rich elite of the Republican party was always able to go to a more liberal state or country or a doctor willing to ignore rules for the price for contraceptives or abortions. The gay sex was winked at as long as you were rich enough or influential enough for a cover-up if anything slipped out. Just look at the affairs, divorces and general rotten private lives of the politicians and right wing commentators that are promoting the divorce-less marriage, the bans on birth control, abstinence only sex education.</p> I think what we are seeing is a classism that permeates all of the Republican party elite about sexual matters. Gays or even heteros with active sex lives can stay in a party that is actively trying to outlaw gay sex, sex outside of marriage, birth control and abortion because those rules aren’t for the ruling elite. Those laws are only for the peasant foot soldiers of the religious right. The rich elite of the Republican party was always able to go to a more liberal state or country or a doctor willing to ignore rules for the price for contraceptives or abortions. The gay sex was winked at as long as you were rich enough or influential enough for a cover-up if anything slipped out. Just look at the affairs, divorces and general rotten private lives of the politicians and right wing commentators that are promoting the divorce-less marriage, the bans on birth control, abstinence only sex education.

]]> By: P J Evans http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131680 P J Evans Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:44:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131680 <p>The gays that I’ve met(and worked with) weren’t any different from the straights. Same worries: bills, cars, kids. Some are more flamboyant that others (piercings, mostly) but that’s into personal choices.</p> <p>I still haven’t heard any good reason why discrimination in the form of banning same-sex marriage should be legal. If marriage as an institution is that weak, <i>why do people still get married?</i> And that’s all that the amendment really is about, legalizing discrimination so the conservatives have someone they can feel superior to.</p> The gays that I’ve met(and worked with) weren’t any different from the straights. Same worries: bills, cars, kids. Some are more flamboyant that others (piercings, mostly) but that’s into personal choices.

I still haven’t heard any good reason why discrimination in the form of banning same-sex marriage should be legal. If marriage as an institution is that weak, why do people still get married? And that’s all that the amendment really is about, legalizing discrimination so the conservatives have someone they can feel superior to.

]]> By: punaise http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131652 punaise Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:18:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131652 <p>eureka springs eternal</p> eureka springs eternal

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131611 Adie Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:43:27 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131611 <p>looseheadprop 238</p> <p>Thanks! Thot I’d been EPU’d, so didn’t notice your fine explanation till just now.</p> <p>Much appreciated. ;-></p> looseheadprop 238

Thanks! Thot I’d been EPU’d, so didn’t notice your fine explanation till just now.

Much appreciated. ;->

]]> By: David Ehrenstein http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131579 David Ehrenstein Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:07:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131579 <p>TRex — You ROCK!</p> <p>What you’ve descibed here is something I like to call the <i>Roy Cohn Syndrome</i>: gay people who stay in the closet the better to acquire the power of those opposed to all things gay.</p> <p>It’s a shame that “60 Minutes” in their Mike Wallace tribute didn’t show the footage of Ol’ Roy 24 hours before he bought the farm denying he had AIDS or was gay.</p> <p>Barbara Walters LONGED to marry him, you know. He used to take his <i>fuck du jour</i> with them on their dates. Baba would go on and on (and on) about how Roy shouldn’t be so “lonely” while the stud would eat his steak. Then Roy would drive Baba home and take the stud back to his place.</p> TRex — You ROCK!

What you’ve descibed here is something I like to call the Roy Cohn Syndrome: gay people who stay in the closet the better to acquire the power of those opposed to all things gay.

It’s a shame that “60 Minutes” in their Mike Wallace tribute didn’t show the footage of Ol’ Roy 24 hours before he bought the farm denying he had AIDS or was gay.

Barbara Walters LONGED to marry him, you know. He used to take his fuck du jour with them on their dates. Baba would go on and on (and on) about how Roy shouldn’t be so “lonely” while the stud would eat his steak. Then Roy would drive Baba home and take the stud back to his place.

]]> By: A.Citizen http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131575 A.Citizen Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:00:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131575 <p>Oh, Frosty the Snowman knows what a ‘civil right’ is, never doubt it, it’s what his boss has been working on taking away from everybody who’s not a ‘born on third’ asshole Skull & Bones fascist wannabe.</p> <p>Yep, Frosty knows….</p> <p>But he ain’t sayin’</p> Oh, Frosty the Snowman knows what a ‘civil right’ is, never doubt it, it’s what his boss has been working on taking away from everybody who’s not a ‘born on third’ asshole Skull & Bones fascist wannabe.

Yep, Frosty knows….

But he ain’t sayin’

]]> By: carolyn urban http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131552 carolyn urban Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:42:38 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131552 <p>Great post TRex, and I think you got it exactly right. These people like sneaking and lying. They’re good at it.</p> Great post TRex, and I think you got it exactly right. These people like sneaking and lying. They’re good at it.

]]> By: Praedor Atrebates http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131548 Praedor Atrebates Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:37:46 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131548 <p><i>I was told by a certain Old Queen to give up on my notions of finding a loving partner and settling down into a real relationship. “Men cannot truly fall in love with each other,” he told me, “We’re incapable of monogamous relationships. So, enjoy the sex, enjoy your friends, but don’t expect to find a relationship like your parents have. It doesn’t work that way for us.” </i></p> <p>Err…according to the divorce rate and the high percentage of extramarital affairs (a bit higher for the male side of the coupling vs the female…unfortunately), it appears that it “doesn’t work that way for us” straights either. </p> <p>Somehow, I don’t think the bonobos stress over the whole sex thing all that much. Perhaps we could learn something from our most interesting and closest evolutionary relative.</p> I was told by a certain Old Queen to give up on my notions of finding a loving partner and settling down into a real relationship. “Men cannot truly fall in love with each other,” he told me, “We’re incapable of monogamous relationships. So, enjoy the sex, enjoy your friends, but don’t expect to find a relationship like your parents have. It doesn’t work that way for us.”

Err…according to the divorce rate and the high percentage of extramarital affairs (a bit higher for the male side of the coupling vs the female…unfortunately), it appears that it “doesn’t work that way for us” straights either.

Somehow, I don’t think the bonobos stress over the whole sex thing all that much. Perhaps we could learn something from our most interesting and closest evolutionary relative.

]]> By: clb72 http://firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131519 clb72 Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:06:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/05/late-nite-fdl-uncle-toms-closet/#comment-131519 <p>Thing is, there are so many closet cases (documented and not) in the Republican party, I tend to believe that they feel threatened by gay marriage.</p> <p>It’s so non-self-hating. So decorate your world instead of decorate your closet. Freedom, self-respect and acceptance threaten them so. Poor dears.</p> Thing is, there are so many closet cases (documented and not) in the Republican party, I tend to believe that they feel threatened by gay marriage.

It’s so non-self-hating. So decorate your world instead of decorate your closet. Freedom, self-respect and acceptance threaten them so. Poor dears.

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